[01:55] <DanaG> I wonder why my framebuffer fails to resume.
[01:56] <__mikem> Its alpha software
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> Very little of it is alpha
[02:02] <PriceChild> until it reaches beta it is alpha
[02:02] <PriceChild> (beta of 1.0 )
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: I am talking about the software contained in the distribution
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> labelling something that was released as stable by the people who wrote it
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> alpha is just misleading
[02:05] <DanaG> woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume!@
[02:05] <DanaG> SAVE_VBE_STATE=true
[02:05] <DanaG> POST_VIDEO=false
[02:05] <DanaG> SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true
[02:05] <PriceChild> who released it as stable?
[02:05] <PriceChild> remember gutsy is still alpha
[02:05] <DanaG> woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume!
[02:06] <DanaG> woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume!
[02:06] <Joanie> any tips on getting evolution (re) working? (it dumps core)
[02:06] <DanaG> SAVE_VBE_STATE=true     POST_VIDEO=false       SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true
[02:07] <DanaG> yahoo!
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: The software contained is more the work of other people not involved in anyway with ubuntu (Debian even does more work and they do a trivial amount compared to upstream)
[02:09] <crdlb> the packaging is alpha
[02:10] <PriceChild> gutsy is alpha...
[02:10] <crdlb> and that's enough to make a system completely unstable
[02:10] <PriceChild> don't ever think, or persuade others otherwise until the beta comes out
[02:11] <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: Don't tell me what to think I will make my own mind up thx
[02:11] <PriceChild> i'm not telling you what to think
[02:11] <PriceChild> i'm telling you what _is_
[02:11] <DanaG> People I know like to ask me this:
[02:12] <DanaG> "You're running Gutsy already?  Why?  You must be a glutton for punishment."
[02:12] <DanaG> Or things like that.
[02:13] <Joanie> Actually, all things being equal, Gutsy doesn't suck too badly in the stability department these days (not that I'd recommend others install it yet)
[02:13] <gnomefreak> hell the tool-chain has a bunch of breakage
[02:14] <Joanie> for me at this point evolution is the only thing that's hosed
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> The toolchain is not using the new gcc (or libc6)
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/grumpy-groundhog (if that is implimented then that would be alpha)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> we are using 4.1 iirc
[02:27] <gnomefreak> reason for not using 4.2 was as i recall its slower and more unstable than 4.1 we were going to use it but the devs i guess decided against it
[02:27] <gnomefreak> but thats beena  while
[02:28] <DanaG> What time zone?
[02:28] <gnomefreak> EST its 8:28
[02:28] <DanaG> aah.
[02:28] <gnomefreak> but i get up at 3-4am
[02:45] <DanaG> Wow, that dude left droppings on my screen.
[02:56] <llol> hello folks
[02:58] <llol> whats the process to reload a NIC card
[02:58] <llol> that cant be seen by the network manager
[02:58] <llol> ?
[02:58] <DanaG> unload the module, and reload the module.
[02:58] <llol> how so
[02:58] <llol> lol
[02:58] <llol> im kinda new to this kinda issue
[02:59] <llol> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
[02:59] <llol> this is the card that can be seen in hardware info
[02:59] <llol> the light is on
[02:59] <llol> ive restarted the machine and nada
[02:59] <DanaG> Hmm, I don't see a relevant module for that network card.....
[03:00] <DanaG> I wonder if ndiswrapper works with wired ethernet.
[03:00] <llol> i had a similar card in there
[03:00] <llol> a rtl8139C
[03:00] <llol> so i got another one
[03:00] <llol> and it aint being seen at all
[03:01] <DanaG> Argh, how do you install Ubuntu on a system whose CD drive gives read errors out the wazoo?
[03:01] <llol> in the network manager that is
[03:01] <DanaG> Does ifconfig see it?
[03:01] <llol> by replacing the cd rom drive
[03:01] <llol> nope
[03:02] <DanaG> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[03:02] <DanaG> Nothing in ifconfig... there must not be a driver for it.
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: netboot / usb flash drive - put the drive into another machine tons of ways
[03:03] <DanaG> That system doesn't boot from USB, either, I believe.
[03:04] <DanaG> I'll go with the install-from-ntldr method.
[03:04] <llol> Linux driver (driver has built-in the kernel)
[03:04] <llol> thats what the realtek site says about it
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> llol: try the other module - (8139cp and 8139too)
[03:08] <DanaG> Every time i see the name 'llol', I think you're saying 'lol' at something.
[03:08] <llol> "lspci"
[03:08] <llol> sees it
[03:08] <llol> oh sorry
[03:08] <llol> sudo modrprope 8139cp
[03:08] <llol> ?
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> Is eth0 present in - sudo ifconfig -a
[03:20] <DanaG> wow, there's a module 8139cp?  That's a bad name -- it should have 'r' or 'rtl' in front.
[03:38] <jriachi> i am a happy gutsy-trevio compiz user :)
[03:40] <RAOF> jriachi: :/.  Using Gutsy's Fusion packages will allow you to file bugs (and get them fixed), thus benefiting all of Ubuntu.
[03:43] <jriachi> RAOF: i know, but gutsy fusion failed which segfault, core dump
[03:44] <jriachi> as soon as is a little more stable, i'll change from trevio to official
[03:45] <RAOF> Works for me, right now :
[03:45] <RAOF> :)
[03:45] <jriachi> you are lucky :)
[03:46] <jriachi> *(failed with)
[03:47] <DanaG> Argh, I dislike the too-apple-ish OSD thingy.
[03:47] <jriachi> DanaG: what osd?
[03:47] <DanaG> The composited volume OSD.
[03:52] <jriachi> :S i can't resize windows via alt-button2?
[03:54] <DanaG> Aargh,
[03:54] <DanaG> I unplugged AC, and my system went into sleep.
[03:54] <RAOF> :)
[03:54] <DanaG> Immediately.
[03:54] <DanaG> With no battery warning or anything.
[03:54] <RAOF> Ba baw.  Go g-p-m!
[03:54] <DanaG> Oh, and my battery was full.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> yay, broken!
[03:56] <RAOF> You haven't yet taught g-p-m that full battery != critically low? :)
[03:56] <DanaG> Battery tab's "Dim display brightness by" disagrees with AC tab's "Set brightness to".
[03:56] <DanaG> Well, the odd thing is, it didn't say anything about it being critically low, either.
[03:56] <RAOF> DanaG: Really?
[03:56] <DanaG> By disagrees, I mean, you'd expect one to act like the other, but they don't.
[03:57] <RAOF> Actually, the set/dim by combination seems to make a bit of sense to me.
[03:57] <RAOF> But I suppose it's not obvious, if you don't actually read the text :)
[03:57] <DanaG> I set it to 25% when on battery, but I was surprised when it went to 75% brightness.
[03:57] <DanaG> That's backwards.
[03:57] <DanaG> Or the AC one should be "dim by .... 0%"
[03:58] <DanaG> Which proves how absurd it is, in a way.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> RAOF: did you ever get a sponsor for democracyplayer, btw?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> speaking of brokenness?
[03:58] <RAOF> Hobbsee: In Ubuntu?  Yeah, it's uploaded, and works for me(tm)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:59] <RAOF> Democracyplayer hasn't been broken (for me) since Feisty :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:59] <RAOF> And I don't think it's broken for anyone else, based on the lack of new bug reports.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> neat!
[04:00] <RAOF> Oh, yeah :)
[04:00] <RAOF> DanaG: Actually, the AC one sets the baseline, and the battery one says how much dimmer than that baseline it should be on battery.  Maybe it could be better worded, but it seems obvious to me :)
[04:17] <DanaG> What if baseline is 75%?
[04:17] <DanaG> What would "dim by 50%" mean -- 75 - 50 or 75 * .50?
[04:18] <RAOF> Then I think that it's .75 * .5
[04:18] <DanaG> That's bad for me -- I can only use discrete steps of 12 or 13.
[04:19] <RAOF> Man, your hardware sucks.
[04:19] <RAOF> There's a g-p-m bug about that, presumably.
[04:19] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[04:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 
[04:19] <DanaG> My report.
[04:19] <DanaG> Some laptops allow only steps of 10%.
[04:19] <RAOF> So g-p-m should just use the nearest one.
[04:20] <DanaG> The hard thing is, the kernel doesn't give any way to retrieve that data from sysfs.
[04:20] <RAOF> Oh.
[04:21] <jriachi> mmm... can i check which packages are from which repository (or at least find the trevio ones?)
[04:21] <DanaG> ARgh, why does my hard drive keep spinning up and down?  Doesn't that add wear to the drive?
[04:22] <RAOF> jriachi: apt-cache policy ?
[04:22] <RAOF> jriachi: That'll tell you which repository a particular package is from.
[04:23] <jriachi> RAOF: and the reverse, given a repository get a list of packages?
[04:23] <DanaG> Hmm, pulseaudio adds power usage by not allowing the codec to switch off, it seems.
[04:23] <RAOF> jriachi: Uuuuum. :-/
[04:23] <DanaG> Synaptic can tell you that, I think.
[04:24] <jriachi> installing synaptic
[04:25] <DanaG> Ooh, using only 22 watts.
[04:25] <DanaG> For my system, I'm rather surprised.
[04:25] <DanaG> Yonah 1.83GHz running at 1.0GHz, with 1GB DDR2-667, with 128MB GeForce Go 7600 (in 2D mode currently),
[04:25] <DanaG> and a 17" matte (and really dim) LCD at lowest brightness.
[04:26] <jriachi> DanaG: how did you got to know the watts?
[04:26] <DanaG> powertop tells me.
[04:26] <DanaG> Or gnome-power-manager's graph can tell you.
[04:28] <DanaG> Ooh, now only 22 watts.  Pulseaudio keeps popping up and powering up my sound card.
[04:28] <DanaG> Xorg : do_setitimer (it_real_fn)
[04:28] <DanaG> Looks like "it_real_fun"
[04:30] <DanaG> Wow, powertop is extremely buggy when resizing.
[04:32] <DanaG> hah: gpm: 45 minutes, 54%.
[04:32] <DanaG> ACPI: 1 hour 8 minutes, 54%.
[04:32] <DanaG> Big deeeeeference.
[04:34] <lamalex_> anyone have desktop-effects working with fglrx and xgl?
[04:34] <jriachi> DanaG: powertop tells me "no acpi power information", there should be my watts, :S?
[04:37] <RAOF> If you are on AC, then you won't get power info.
[04:41] <DanaG> Oh, here's a feature of the e1000 module: It powers down the PHY when no cable is inserted, if you pass "SmartPowerDownEnable=1
[04:42] <RAOF> Ooooh
[04:42] <DanaG> You know what'd I'd love to be able to do with Linux?
[04:43] <DanaG> When people say "You should try OS X", I'd love to be able to say this:
[04:43] <lamalex> date a model?
[04:43] <jriachi> surprise us :)
[04:43] <jriachi> model a date?
[04:43] <DanaG> "Who needs it?  I can already do everything you love about OS X in Linux."
[04:43] <lamalex> what can't you do?
[04:43] <DanaG> I don't know... I've never used OS X myself...
[04:43] <lamalex> haha :)
[04:44] <lamalex> my boss swithed from ubuntu to osx
[04:44] <DanaG> (at my own comment, not yours)
[04:44] <jriachi> DanaG: you can say about linux "it was made by steve jobs and apple, the coolest company in the whole world?"
[04:44] <lamalex> he says it's pretty much the same, osx has some extra polish, but isn't free
[04:44] <RAOF> There's a bunch of stuff
[04:45] <DanaG> Complete this survey and win a free Sudoku game!11!1!!!
[04:45] <DanaG> (me: "You mean, like.... (digs through gnome menus)... gnome-sudoku?)
[04:45] <DanaG> (oops, lost a closing ' " ')
[04:45] <jriachi> DanaG: yes, like gnome-sudoku but free :p
[04:50] <DanaG> The only thing I am really fanboyish about is HP, for no apparent reason.  However, I limit myself to saying "ooh, look at this thingy!", "Ooh, they have that cool thingy"... --- but, I don't say "They rock, and everybody else sucks!12!!!!")
[04:51] <DanaG> Is there a market for 17" notebooks with Intel graphics?  I don't know, but HP offers one.
[04:51] <DanaG> Gateway also has some cool stuff -- touchscreen+stylus tablet, 12", Core 2 Duo.
[04:52] <DanaG> Wow, the faster I type, the more power I use.
[04:53] <jriachi> DanaG: mmm... the kde systray icon, tells me the remaning battery time... but   acpi keeps telling me  "rate information unavailable." :S
[04:54] <DanaG> Hmm.
[04:55] <DanaG> try cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/*
[04:56] <jriachi> charging state:          discharging
[04:56] <jriachi> present rate:            unknown
[04:56] <jriachi> remaining capacity:      3603 mAh
[04:57] <DanaG> aah, then your BIOS just doesn't give you the info.  :(
[04:57] <lamalex> try sudo cat ...
[04:57] <lamalex> sometimes it gives more
[04:58] <jriachi> lamalex: it was under a sudo -i shell :(
[04:58] <lamalex> ahok
[04:58] <DanaG> Wow, seeing Dapper's usplash and login reminds me of how far Edgy and Feisty have come.
[04:58] <RAOF> :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:58] <jriachi> lamalex: acpi could try to figure it, anyway :S
[04:59] <Hobbsee> DanaG: that's exactdly why i cant see why people get told "run dapper, it's better"
[04:59] <DanaG> dingdingchirp
[04:59] <DanaG> (jingly chirpy login sound .... nice.)
[04:59] <lamalex> if you're setting up a webserver I would reccomend dapper
[05:00] <RAOF> I can no longer remember any of my Dapper knowledge :)
[05:00] <DanaG> Argh, why does Nautilus default to icons view?  Ugh.
[05:00] <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG, because most people prefer it?   : )
[05:00] <lamalex> indeed
[05:00] <lamalex> default to anything else would be annoying
[05:02] <jriachi> mmm... to get powertop to show C3 and C4, would a "Long battery life mode" (or sth like that) in the BIOS be useful?
[05:03] <DanaG> I guess it does come down to preference.
[05:04] <jriachi> (i think that the people who prefer list view, are usually expert enough to find out how to change it)
[05:04] <lamalex> agreed
[05:04] <DanaG> I don't believe it .... this old Celeron 700 laptop doesn't support standard ACPI stuff -- there's no /proc/acpi.
[05:05] <DanaG> Yet, an old P2 laptop DOES support it.
[05:05] <lamalex> what's the make of each
[05:05] <DanaG> One's a Dell -- P2 266 -- Inspiron 3500.
[05:06] <DanaG> The other's HP -- Pavilion N5240, also called Omnibook XE3-something.
[05:06] <DanaG> From dmesg on that laptop: bios is too old, dated 1992.
[05:06] <roe> any advice as to how to troubleshoot a compiz.real crash on start of X?
[05:07] <lamalex> check for a bios update maybe?
[05:08] <RAOF> roe: Check ~/.xsession-errors?
[05:09] <roe> yea it looks like its a bug with the current build, or at least someone filed it as a bug
[05:12] <boris55> wow, how much better can ubuntu get?
[05:12] <RAOF> Does xsession-errors have anything interesting, or is it just "core dumped"?
[05:13] <roe> RAOF, a couple of memory-warnings about "GSlice"
[05:13] <roe> this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[05:14] <RAOF> Eh, everything says that :)
[05:14] <roe> http://www.pastebin.ca/599273
[05:16] <RAOF> roe: Eh, nothing obvious
[05:17] <roe> that is why it's an alpha
[05:18] <lamalex> boris55: hopefully way better
[05:18] <lamalex> it's already great, but better is always ... better
[05:20] <boris55> should I wait till beta to try gutsy?
[05:20] <roe> gutsy is buggy. do you want to deal with bugs?
[05:21] <lamalex> ideally you should wait until final to try gutsy
[05:21] <boris55> I can deal with some bugs if the applications generally work.
[05:21] <crdlb> then wait for beta
[05:21] <crdlb> at the least
[05:22] <jriachi> boris55: imho, i find it pretty usable, some console work had to be done, but i think it is ok...
[05:22] <lamalex> you're better off using feisty, you're not really going to benefit from using gutsy
[05:22] <boris55> not sure what's there that I need.  fiesty is everything I need
[05:22] <lamalex> unless you're looking to test and squash bugs there's no real reason
[05:22] <boris55> x.org 7.3 is available in gutsy?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> i beleive so
[05:23] <Hobbsee> openoffice actually opens now though.  this is good
[05:24] <lamalex> hobbsee: you had problems with OO in feisty?
[05:24] <jriachi> but the kdesktop, device icons bug isn't solved :(
[05:24] <Hobbsee> gutsy
[05:25] <Hobbsee> ie, early may
[05:25] <lamalex> guess I misread "openoffice actually opens now though.  this is good"
[05:25] <Hobbsee> well, it didnt before in gutsy
[05:25] <lamalex> ah ok
[05:26] <lamalex> it opens very quickly for me (at least comparitively
[05:26] <lamalex> )
[05:26] <lamalex> quicker than it did in any preivew release
[05:26] <lamalex> s/preivew/previous
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hrm.  where are the popcon results?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> i want to see how many people actually install libxine1-console
[05:31] <jriachi> (it would be great to be able to upload videos to the BTS)
[05:34] <jriachi> (but then... they maybe would appear on youtube to ridicule ubuntu :S)
[05:40] <lamalex> gnash works now!
[05:40] <lamalex> sick
[05:40] <jimmygoon> What's this I hear about no xorg.conf in the next X?
[05:42] <lamalex> xorg 7.3 is supposed to be 'bulletproof' and figure out everything itself
[05:42] <roe> ha! I'll believe that when I see it
[05:43] <jimmygoon> I'm just curious about the config files... is it moving away from that file (format) or is that a messed up notion I have
[05:43] <roe> I hope not
[05:43] <lamalex> i'm actually not looking forward to it, I hate zeroconf apps
[05:43] <RAOF> You wont need one, but you can still use one
[05:44] <RAOF> Also, 7.3 is not yet in gutsy
[05:44] <lamalex> parts of it are if I'm not mistaken
[05:44] <lamalex> not the whole thing, but some yes?
[05:45] <roe> does this miracle xorg include twinview support?
[05:45] <roe> or whatever trainwreck fglrx is using these days?
[05:45] <lamalex> heh
[05:46] <RAOF> roe: For free drivers? Yes.
[05:46] <roe> nv supports twinview?
[05:47] <RAOF> Xorg obviously cant do anything about non-free drivers
[05:47] <roe> I guess not
[05:48] <RAOF> nouveau supports XRandR 1.2, and so supports twinview
[05:48] <jimmygoon> do the unstable updates ever break things like grub that would REALLY make a system unusable (temporarily)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> jimmygoon: sure.  kernel doenst boot.
[05:49] <RAOF> jimmygoon: Yes.  Don't assume that an update won't destroy your data
[05:49] <jimmygoon> er, like even on another partition, heh...
[05:50] <RAOF> Yes, although it's unlikely to
[05:50] <jimmygoon> o_0 well, its a good thing I only run my unstables in a VM, at least until the later betas
[05:51] <jimmygoon> but I'm not too afraid of dependency problems, and I backup regularly so :P
[05:51] <lamalex> idk why, just never got around to it
[05:52] <Hobbsee> i do when i'm about to format the partition
[05:52] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i'm only running gutsy, and a copy of XP here.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> + a VM, sometimes
[05:52] <jriachi> (anyone bored and willing to replicate this kubuntu gutsy error?: http://nethen.org/misc/ubuntu/bug-deviceicon.ogm.avi )
[05:53] <RAOF> Nouveau kinda works in Sid :)
[06:01] <xtknight> is there a list of major features that have been implemented thus far?  trying to evaluate if i should give gutsy a test run
[06:06] <jimmygoon> btw, woot+1 for rhythmbox+mtp support
[06:07] <Hobbsee> xtknight: yes, on the release announcements
[06:07] <Hobbsee> see the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list
[06:10] <xtknight> ah awesome
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> mtp?
[06:21] <DanaG> Argh, I put my iAudio6 in MTP mode, yet usb-storage still grabs it.
[06:26] <DanaG> ooh: http://lwn.net/Articles/143397/
[06:26] <DanaG> I wish Gnome's eject would do that.
[06:28] <DanaG> Odd... I don't get why my MTP device doesn't show up as an MTP device.
[06:30] <roe> I am using the nvidia module but I don't have 3d acceleration. glxgears pegs my cpu
[06:35] <DanaG> glxinfo | grep rend
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[06:44] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) odd redundancy: ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/*mt*
[06:44] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4753 2007-07-01 21:36 /etc/udev/rules.d/65-libmtp.rules
[06:44] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   15 2007-05-31 08:32 /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules -> ../libmtp.rules
[06:44] <roe> can someone give me a hand, whenever I open up an mpeg4 it brings my computer to a halt, I have tried both xine and mplayer.  glxgears pegs the cpu but glxinfo show direct rendering = yes
[06:49] <DanaG> I believe glxgears is supposed to eat CPU.
[06:49] <roe> I didn't think it was supposed to with 3d enabled
[06:52] <DanaG> same issue as my mtp thingy:
[06:52] <DanaG> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=522369
[06:57] <DanaG> wtf?  I edit /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp-rules,
[06:57] <DanaG> and yet mtp-hotplug ignores my changes.
[06:57] <DanaG> It seems to have the list hardcoded.
[07:02] <DanaG> I don't get it.
[08:11] <DanaG> aRGH, now I'm working with two laptops:
[08:12] <DanaG> One with fn-ctrl-super-alt,
[08:12] <DanaG> the other with ctrl-fn-super-alt
[08:12] <DanaG> Moving back and forth between the two... painful.
[08:15] <RAOF> :/
[08:16] <DanaG> I don't have any specific preference, but using both side by side is just torturous.
[08:17] <DanaG> I wonder if you can do anything useful with an S3 Savage IX
[12:41] <linux_user400354> where can i find the default wallpapers from breezy? ive searched at packages.ubuntu.com and didnt find it.
[12:42] <Hobbsee> linux_user400354: please see the topic, and dont repeat your question in multiple channels
[12:44] <sn-> wondered what this channel was for
[12:44] <Hobbsee> sn-: gutsy
[12:44] <sn-> <-iso tester :)
[12:44] <sn-> so would make sense to sit in here
[12:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> welcome
[12:44] <sn-> tyvm
[01:08] <Yodude> hello, any gutsy talk ?
[01:08] <sn-> yes Yodude
[01:09] <Yodude> hehe i just wanted to say this seems to be a gret release
[01:09] <Yodude> new gimp, new rythmbox
[01:09] <Yodude> new effects
[01:09] <Yodude> good work guys
[01:09] <sn-> new gnome, new firefox alpha, no compiz-effects :) lots to go in
[01:10] <Yodude> but i have a question
[01:10] <Yodude> will hibernate/suspend finally get some fix ?
[01:10] <Yodude> cuz it really works like hell
[01:10] <Yodude> total showstopper
[01:11] <sn-> well Yodude without knowing more its hard to say about your particular problem, suspend/hiberation/suspend to ram works for many people (me included) but it tends to vary depending on the notebook/chipset
[01:11] <Yodude> i heard the kernel devs are aiming for it
[01:11] <Yodude> but the question is when
[01:12] <Yodude> cuz it's basic functionality
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Yodude: not all the machines are the same.
[01:12] <sn-> if it is perhaps a problem for you then it would maybe be useful to submit a bug report or at the very least check for one outstanding
[01:12] <sn-> and try to work through it
[01:12] <Yodude> i'd be glad to
[01:12] <Yodude> anything to help the devs
[01:13] <Yodude> i already submitted my hardware stats to the UHD
[01:13] <sn-> ok well lets start with some info gathering :)
[01:13] <sn-> so i will let you elaborate on your problem
[01:14] <Yodude> hey i gtg eat
[01:14] <Yodude> i'll be back though
[01:14] <Yodude> i'll keep a note of your name on tomboy to ttyl
[01:14] <Yodude> but just to start
[01:14] <Yodude> i'm on intel + nvidia geforce FX 5200
[01:15] <sn-> im sure anyone will be happy to help, just not me
[01:15] <sn-> ah too late
[01:28] <sn-> so anyone tried today's daily image ?:)
[01:29] <Yodude> sn-: you still here ?
[01:29] <sn-> yep
[01:30] <Yodude> so
[01:30] <Yodude> you wanted to take note of my PC specs yea ?
[01:30] <Yodude> to fix tht hibernate/suspend problem
[01:30] <sn-> sure, lets start with your system, its a notebook ?
[01:31] <sn-> it would be useful to run lspci and pastebin the output
[01:31] <Yodude> desktop
[01:31] <Yodude> one sec for lspci
[01:31] <sn-> ok and are you using nvidia-glx or the xorg free driver 'nv' ?
[01:32] <Yodude> nvidno the nvidida restricted driver
[01:32] <Yodude> btw can you give me the pastebin URL ?
[01:33] <sn-> sure, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ http://paste.debian.net
[01:34] <Yodude> P.S: i just saw some pic of compiz fusion i just wanna say WOW
[01:34] <Yodude> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28207/
[01:34] <Yodude> here's the lspci
[01:35] <sn-> alrighty, so you are using the non-free "nvidia" driver for your graphics, as a test i would maybe try using the 'nv' driver in your xorg.conf , restart X then try suspend/hibernate
[01:35] <sn-> to rule out the graphics at play, but you haven't mentioned what happens yet when you do try suspend/hibernate
[01:36] <Yodude> well i get these text messages
[01:36] <Yodude> one is "could not activate device 00:00
[01:37] <Yodude> and when it boot it up again i get a black screen
[01:38] <sn-> sounds like possibly graphics at play to me at least :)
[01:38] <Yodude> yeah me too
[01:39] <Yodude> i bet if nvidia would finally get the guts to friggin get out open source drivers nobody would have these problems
[01:39] <sn-> but try what i suggested, if you need a better explanation then ask away
[01:39] <Yodude> cuz i hear hibernate works fantasti8c with intel GPUs
[01:39] <sn-> i know ubuntu has plans for the nouveau project at some point, its making "some" headway it seems
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> one of 100.x.9 or 100.x.11 had quite a few suspend related fixes
[01:39] <Yodude> yeah but still needs time
[01:40] <Yodude> i'll be trying it withoiut the nvidia non-free driver
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> nv is probably just as bad
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> (nvidia maintains it anyway)
[01:41] <sn-> h3sp4wn kindly mentioned newer nvidia drives as well, so you could try 'envy' to install the nvidia.com ones also
[01:41] <sn-> hopefully one of those will show some results
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> what is envy ?
[01:41] <sn-> hmmm does envy support gutsy yet, im not actually sure
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> does it make deb's ?
[01:42] <sn-> h3sp4wn afraid not, it installs/builds the required for using nvidia.com drivers
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> yuck
[01:42] <sn-> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[01:43] <sn-> ignore that Yodude , not sure that will help on gutsy yet :)
[01:43] <crdlb> envy + gutsy == broken system
[01:44] <sn-> i haven't actuallly tried nvidia.com drivers on gutsy yet, so not sure how that will go :I
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> I suppose you could get 100.x.9 from Debian and uupdate it to 100.x.11
[01:44] <jussi01> !envy
[01:44] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[01:45] <sn-> jussi01 i believe the problem here is trying a newer version of the nvidia drivers than nvidia-glx in gutsyy provides (9631/9755)
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> I don't like the legal loophole in the GPL (with regards to runtime linking)
[01:45] <sn-> gutsy*
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> that ubuntu seems to think makes it ok to distribute the binary drivers
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> I guess they would be updated before release anyway (there is 9636 I think as well and a new 7xxx one also)
[01:47] <sn-> yea hopefully soo
[01:47] <crdlb> 9639 and 7185
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> Yeah they messed up one completely
[02:00] <Yodude> hello again
[03:19] <tiagoboldt> Hi, I've upgraded to gutsy and my cpu is now always at 50%, any ideas on how can I normalize this? My laptop is heating like a toaster :|
[03:20] <Amaranth> what is using so much CPU?
[03:20] <vega-> check what process
[03:20] <vega-> and search for bug reports, if not found, report
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> when I 'top'
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> I see 50% cpu being used
[03:21] <Amaranth> by what?
[03:21] <Pici> tiagoboldt: whats using it?
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> but only two processes using more than 1%
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> everything looks normal in the processes
[03:21] <Amaranth> take a screenshot
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> but the cpu keeps at about 50% all the time
[03:22] <tiagoboldt> sure
[03:22] <tiagoboldt> 1min
[03:22] <tiagoboldt> http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshottiagoboldtniawl2.png
[03:24] <Amaranth> tiagoboldt: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[03:24] <Amaranth> tiagoboldt: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq
[03:24] <tiagoboldt> 2000000
[03:24] <tiagoboldt> 800000
[03:25] <Amaranth> yikes
[03:25] <tiagoboldt> I also have cpu-freq applet with cpu freq scaling activated
[03:26] <Amaranth> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> despites being 'ondemand', it not going to the supposed 800mhz..
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> ondemand
[03:26] <Amaranth> try changing it to powersave
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> sure
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> ir goes to 800mhz
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> still
[03:27] <Amaranth> do you have dual-core?
[03:27] <tiagoboldt> top show exactly the same
[03:27] <tiagoboldt> 50% cpu, no process using it :s
[03:27] <Amaranth> do you have dual-core?
[03:27] <tiagoboldt> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz
[03:28] <tiagoboldt> centrino
[03:28] <Amaranth> i guess not
[03:28] <Amaranth> i have no idea then, i was going to say something was using one core
[03:28] <Amaranth> maxing it out
[03:28] <Amaranth> but i guess only in windows does maxing out one core count as 50%
[03:28] <Amaranth> in linux it just goes to 200%
[03:29] <Amaranth> i'm out of ideas
[03:29] <Amaranth> does it happen if you kill X?
[03:29] <tiagoboldt> laptop mode is off, I'm plugged in to ac power now
[03:29] <tiagoboldt> shoul laptop mode be on despites that?
[03:29] <Amaranth> nah, doesn't make a difference for this problem
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> if I kill X..
[03:30] <Amaranth> boot in recovery mode and see if you have the same problem
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> hum
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> no idea actually:s
[03:30] <Amaranth> if you do it's probably a kernel problem
[03:30] <vega-> tiagoboldt: also search for a bug report related, if you don't find one make a new
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> vega-, I've tried that
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> and found nothing
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> I've also thought on leaving a bug report
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> but the problem is that I don't exactly know what to report:S
[03:31] <tiagoboldt> My cpu is always at 50% without nothing using it!?
[03:31] <tiagoboldt> :S
[03:31] <vega-> yep, sounds like the kind of issue that would be an interesting bug
[03:31] <vega-> well, yes, for example :)
[03:31] <tiagoboldt> LOL
[03:31] <vega-> and provide your hardware and the info you provided above
[03:31] <vega-> perhaps also the screenshot
[03:31] <tiagoboldt> I'll get some printscreens for the most important infos
[03:32] <tiagoboldt> and open the report :D
[03:32] <vega-> i'm sure the persons related ask for more info/tests if needed
[03:32] <vega-> just to be curious, what laptop?
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> acer 1694 wlmi
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> intel centrino 2.0
[03:33] <vega-> ok, not familiar..
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> ati radeon x700 mobility
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> ipw2200
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> bluetooth
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> ..
[03:34] <tiagoboldt> I'll open the bug report
[03:35] <vega-> that's the best way to proceed i think for now
[03:37] <tiagoboldt> could it have something to do with this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/28433
[03:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 28433 in linux-source-2.6.15 "speedstep-centrino doesn't load on pentium m laptop" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:49] <tiagoboldt> I'm I supposed to confirm my own bug report oO? :s
[03:49] <lamalex> ha
[03:49] <tiagoboldt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/123550 here he is, is there any relevant information missing?
[03:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123550 in Ubuntu "Cpu always around 50% without nothing using it" [Undecided,New] 
[03:50] <lamalex> nice grammar there
[04:47] <Dana1> Gaah. somehow two instances of Pidgin opened.
[05:06] <ryanpg> all my core dumps have a size of 0, ulimit reportes "unlimited", what may be going on?
[05:07] <ryanpg> also I'm getting lots and lots of crashes with OO.O and firefox - when certain dialog windows are opened, i.e. spelling dialog, print dialog
[05:12] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rss-glx/+bug/21507
[05:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 21507 in rss-glx "Disturbing sounds in Skyrocket screensaver" [Medium,Fix released] 
[05:12] <DanaG> heh
[06:15] <avr> hi guys, i've got a strange problem with gutsy on my laptop. sound (and everything else) was working just fine till yesterday when I used skype a few times (without incident) for the first time on gutsy
[06:15] <avr> and then i left the laptop (powered on) for a while, and when i get back, sound volume is _really_ low
[06:15] <crimsun> check your mixer levels.
[06:15] <avr> it's not a card/detection issue because i can hear sound/music very faintly
[06:15] <avr> oh, everything is on full
[06:16] <avr> pcm/master etc.
[06:16] <crimsun> pastebin your amixer
[06:16] <avr> okay
[06:18] <avr> here: http://paste.uni.cc/16587
[06:18] <crimsun> do you actually use your spdif?
[06:19] <crimsun> (if not, mute 'IEC958')
[06:19] <avr> crimsun: i don't know what that is, so the answer's probably 'no'
[06:19] <avr> okay
[06:20] <lamalex> ./win 2
[06:20] <avr> but i flipped lots of things on/off, so that might be why IEC958 was on
[06:20] <avr> crimsun: no difference
[06:20] <crimsun> mute 'Mix'
[06:21] <crimsun> you likely need to reinit the codec itself, which requires an unload and reload of snd-hda-intel.
[06:22] <avr> crimsun: err, mix doesnt respond to 'M' in alsamixer. it doesnt respond to any alsamixer control, actually
[06:22] <crimsun> it's a capture element
[06:22] <crimsun> just try the reinit
[06:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun!
[06:23] <crimsun> kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/audio* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*) && rmmod snd-hda-intel && modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:24] <avr> i modprobe -r and modprobed it yesterday after looking at lsof for dev dsp. will do it again
[06:26] <crimsun> have you done a cold power down since?
[06:26] <avr> crimsun: no difference
[06:26] <avr> yes, i have
[06:27] <avr> oh, cold reboot as in pressing the power button? no, i havent.
[06:27] <starz> hm
[06:27] <avr> might that help?
[06:27] <crimsun> no.
[06:27] <starz> out of curiosity if i have dual core running in 32 bit mode i could theoretically have 4gigs ram for each without having to go 64bit ?
[06:27] <starz> er for each core i meant
[06:27] <crimsun> starz: no.
[06:28] <starz> mm
[06:28] <starz> i'm a bit confused on it but i guess it doesnt matter as i dont have either requirement lol
[06:28] <crimsun> starz: dual core has PAE available, meaning you can access more than 4 GB
[06:29] <starz> ah
[06:29] <starz> i saw something about the bigiron kernel b/c i was bored just figured id google some stuff... lol
[06:30] <crimsun> avr: can you reproduce it in skype?
[06:30] <starz> anyway howya doin this monring?
[06:31] <avr> crimsun: you mean if i can fix it using skype?
[06:31] <crimsun> avr: no, if you can reproduce the symptom using skype.
[06:31] <avr> no, after the volume went down, it's been down all the while (after multiple rebootS)
[06:32] <crimsun> so you're implying that you _can_ reproduce the symptom using skype.
[06:32] <avr> actually, i rebooted an older (2.6.20-13) kernel, and the bug's there too
[06:32] <crimsun> it's not a bug at this point
[06:33] <avr> crimsun: no, sorry, i meant that i'm not even sure skype caused what happened; it was the only out-of-the-ordinary thing i'd been using before sound volume went down
[06:33] <starz> what makes something a bug properly then? [when u have a chance] 
[06:33] <crimsun> avr: do you have a gutsy tribe 2 desktop cd handy?  If so, boot into it, and attempt to reproduce the volume issue.
[06:34] <crimsun> starz: currently I cannot rule out user misconfiguration.
[06:34] <avr> crimsun: i can't, my laptop doesnt even have a cd drive :(
[06:34] <crimsun> avr: does your laptop's NIC(s) handle PXE boot?
[06:35] <avr> crimsun: yes it does... i could do that
[06:36] <avr> some background information if it helps: 1. sound works in windows, 2. no packages installed between sound going  off/on. 3. same thing for multiple kernels (one of them the feisty stable kernel) and different version of the alsa modules
[06:37] <crimsun> might be a stale state file (again)
[06:38] <crimsun> rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[06:38] <crimsun> sync
[06:38] <crimsun> reboot
[06:38] <avr> okay, be right back :)
[06:38] <crimsun> err, that reboot is not a command
[06:38] <crimsun> that's an alt+sysrq+b
[06:39] <starz> i meant in general -
[06:39] <crimsun> starz: a lot of information is necessary;
[06:39] <crimsun> starz: it depends on the symptoms and the application(s) in question
[06:39] <starz> btw installed gutsy on other partition, and im impressed by tribe2 - for my hardware runs pretty darn good lol
[06:45] <avr> crimsun: yes, i used the hotkey
[06:45] <avr> no change
[06:47] <crimsun> avr: that's from removing the state file, correct?
[06:47] <avr> correct
[06:47] <crimsun> avr: ok, now try a tribe 2 netboot
[06:48] <avr> okay. will let you know
[06:48] <crimsun> if it's reproducible there, you need to file a bug using ALSA's bug tracker (click Bug Reporting[..]  on the ALSA home page)
[06:48] <avr> okay
[06:49] <avr> but, if it's an alsa bug, it should go away if i use an older (stabler) version of alsa, right? i've likely gone through the same sequence of programs/reboots/hibernates before, so wouldn't it have been triggered then if it's an alsa bug?
[06:55] <avr> or is low (but still audible) volume a definite alsa bug?
[06:55] <crimsun> no, it may not go away.
[06:55] <avr> what if i use feisty kernel + the version of alsa that came with it?
[06:55] <crimsun> depending whether you're referring to AC'97 or HDA, certain codec registers don't reset without an explicit twiddle.
[06:55] <avr> i see.
[06:55] <crimsun> you can try as many as you'd like as long as you use desktop cds or netboots.
[06:55] <crimsun> that basically constrains you to dapper final, edgy final, feisty final, and gutsy tribe 2
[06:55] <crimsun> (away for a bit.)
[06:55] <avr> crimsun: thanks for the help. will try out and let you know.
[08:11] <Dannilion> is there an easy way to burn .avi's to video dvd in Kubuntu Gutsy?
[08:48] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/bcm43xx-dev@lists.berlios.de/msg03916.html
[08:49] <DanaG> hmm, added to line with "?*"
[10:27] <enyc> How are the 'new event.d entries' getting along replacing init.d scripts now?
[10:28] <enyc> Is there a 'project' to replace init scripts?  or just simply "no more init.d scripts will be accepted in packages without good reason' ?
[10:30] <pvandewyngaerde> is that 'upstart' ?
[10:31] <enyc> pvandewyngaerde: the init system usedd from Edgy6.10 onwards is 'upstart' and has 'event.d' scripts
[10:31] <enyc> pvandewyngaerde: but has backwards-compatibilty with the ""normal"" init.d scripts
[11:05] <pvandewyngaerde> can i play encrypted dvd's on gutsy ?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> pvandewyngaerde: could you play them on feisty?
[11:12] <pvandewyngaerde> never tried it
[11:13] <gnomefreak> !dcd
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dcd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <gnomefreak> !dved
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dved - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <gnomefreak> !dvd
[11:13] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:14] <jrib> hi
[11:14] <hays> Greetings
[11:15] <jrib> hays: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ to install in a vm if you want
[11:16] <hays> Can I just change my apt-sources and upgrade that way?  I already have a vm clone of my edgy box
[11:16] <jrib> yes, you can do that, but you need to upgrade to feisty first
[11:17] <hays> erg..  feisty is what I meant to say.
[11:17] <hays> sorry, all the name soup I've been dealing with lately
[11:17] <jrib> you can try the same as in debian or test out the update-manager
[11:18] <jrib> just make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed before you dist-ugprade
[11:22] <hays> I just change sources-list to gibbon main restricted and gibbon-updates does not exist.. correct?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> gutsy not gibbon
[11:23] <hays> will that be reflected in the update manager and all the gui tools I use as well?
[11:23] <hays> or do they have a separate configuration?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> update manager has its own way to upgrade but once you are fully upgraded everything will reflect gutsy
[11:39] <Nick_Hill> I have several different types of laptops here. Would loading up Gutsy on a hard drive, deleting xorg.conf then swapping the hard drive between them, capturing lspci -v /var/log/xorg.0.log and ddcprobe, then publish the lot likely help hunt for and fix bugs?
[12:17] <Paladine> anyone got any idea where gparted places superblock backup blogs using a generic install (all options left to default)
[12:17] <Paladine> I have a major drive failure due to a broken superblock, I desperately need to rebuild it from the backup blocks
[12:17] <Paladine> s/blogs/blocks
[12:20] <hays> phew, my ubuntu upgrade is on the edge..  I only have 250 MB left on my disk.. heh
[12:23] <Paladine> so no-one knows where the backup blocks are? so I can't e2fsck -b to try and recover my research data
[01:08] <|capirra> hmmmm anyone know if gutsy will support dm-crypt in the installer like debian does ?(alternate)