=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 28 14:55:49 2007 === starz [n=starz@75.80.8.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:55] I wonder why my framebuffer fails to resume. [01:56] <__mikem> Its alpha software [01:56] Very little of it is alpha [02:02] until it reaches beta it is alpha [02:02] (beta of 1.0 ) [02:03] PriceChild: I am talking about the software contained in the distribution [02:04] labelling something that was released as stable by the people who wrote it [02:04] alpha is just misleading === Joanie [n=jd@c-24-34-210-196.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:05] woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume!@ === DanaG goes and spams exclamation points to himself [02:05] SAVE_VBE_STATE=true [02:05] POST_VIDEO=false [02:05] SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true [02:05] who released it as stable? [02:05] remember gutsy is still alpha [02:05] woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume! [02:06] woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume! === DanaG runs off to run 'yes \!' [02:06] any tips on getting evolution (re) working? (it dumps core) [02:06] SAVE_VBE_STATE=true POST_VIDEO=false SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true [02:07] yahoo! === Cwiiis [n=cwiiis@82-43-46-194.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:09] PriceChild: The software contained is more the work of other people not involved in anyway with ubuntu (Debian even does more work and they do a trivial amount compared to upstream) [02:09] the packaging is alpha [02:10] gutsy is alpha... [02:10] and that's enough to make a system completely unstable [02:10] don't ever think, or persuade others otherwise until the beta comes out === DanaG runs off to install Feisty on some old P3-Celeron 700MHz laptop. === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-43.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-43.dsl.telstraclear.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [02:11] PriceChild: Don't tell me what to think I will make my own mind up thx [02:11] i'm not telling you what to think [02:11] i'm telling you what _is_ [02:11] People I know like to ask me this: [02:12] "You're running Gutsy already? Why? You must be a glutton for punishment." [02:12] Or things like that. [02:13] Actually, all things being equal, Gutsy doesn't suck too badly in the stability department these days (not that I'd recommend others install it yet) [02:13] hell the tool-chain has a bunch of breakage [02:14] for me at this point evolution is the only thing that's hosed === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:20] The toolchain is not using the new gcc (or libc6) [02:21] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/grumpy-groundhog (if that is implimented then that would be alpha) === Joanie [n=jd@c-24-34-210-196.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [02:26] we are using 4.1 iirc [02:27] reason for not using 4.2 was as i recall its slower and more unstable than 4.1 we were going to use it but the devs i guess decided against it [02:27] but thats beena while === gnomefreak goes to bed [02:28] What time zone? [02:28] EST its 8:28 [02:28] aah. [02:28] but i get up at 3-4am === r0bby [n=wakawaka@cpe-24-164-167-171.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [02:45] Wow, that dude left droppings on my screen. === dsnaike [n=dsnaike@208.100.229.85] has joined #ubuntu+1 === r0bby [n=wakawaka@cpe-24-164-167-171.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu+1 === llol [n=rv@adsl-8-185-100.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:56] hello folks === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:58] whats the process to reload a NIC card [02:58] that cant be seen by the network manager [02:58] ? [02:58] unload the module, and reload the module. [02:58] how so [02:58] lol [02:58] im kinda new to this kinda issue [02:59] RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [02:59] this is the card that can be seen in hardware info [02:59] the light is on [02:59] ive restarted the machine and nada [02:59] Hmm, I don't see a relevant module for that network card..... [03:00] I wonder if ndiswrapper works with wired ethernet. [03:00] i had a similar card in there [03:00] a rtl8139C [03:00] so i got another one [03:00] and it aint being seen at all [03:01] Argh, how do you install Ubuntu on a system whose CD drive gives read errors out the wazoo? [03:01] in the network manager that is [03:01] Does ifconfig see it? [03:01] by replacing the cd rom drive [03:01] nope [03:02] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows [03:02] Nothing in ifconfig... there must not be a driver for it. [03:02] DanaG: netboot / usb flash drive - put the drive into another machine tons of ways === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:03] That system doesn't boot from USB, either, I believe. [03:04] I'll go with the install-from-ntldr method. [03:04] Linux driver (driver has built-in the kernel) [03:04] thats what the realtek site says about it [03:07] llol: try the other module - (8139cp and 8139too) [03:08] Every time i see the name 'llol', I think you're saying 'lol' at something. [03:08] "lspci" [03:08] sees it [03:08] oh sorry === arpu [n=arpu@chello080109078137.4.15.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:08] sudo modrprope 8139cp [03:08] ? === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu+1 === llol [n=rv@adsl-8-185-100.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:11] Is eth0 present in - sudo ifconfig -a === Jordan_U [n=Jordan_U@209.76.192.5] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:20] wow, there's a module 8139cp? That's a bad name -- it should have 'r' or 'rtl' in front. === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@208.69.214.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fignew [n=fig@user-1121r2f.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:38] i am a happy gutsy-trevio compiz user :) [03:40] jriachi: :/. Using Gutsy's Fusion packages will allow you to file bugs (and get them fixed), thus benefiting all of Ubuntu. [03:43] RAOF: i know, but gutsy fusion failed which segfault, core dump [03:44] as soon as is a little more stable, i'll change from trevio to official === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:45] Works for me, right now : [03:45] :) [03:45] you are lucky :) [03:46] *(failed with) === DanaG uses Gutsy because brokenness can be fun to fix. Sometimes. [03:47] Argh, I dislike the too-apple-ish OSD thingy. [03:47] DanaG: what osd? [03:47] The composited volume OSD. [03:52] :S i can't resize windows via alt-button2? === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF can't deselect the Alt+F8 resize shortcut. [03:54] Aargh, [03:54] I unplugged AC, and my system went into sleep. [03:54] :) [03:54] Immediately. [03:54] With no battery warning or anything. === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:54] Ba baw. Go g-p-m! [03:54] Oh, and my battery was full. === r0bby__ [n=wakawaka@cpe-24-164-167-171.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:56] yay, broken! [03:56] You haven't yet taught g-p-m that full battery != critically low? :) [03:56] Battery tab's "Dim display brightness by" disagrees with AC tab's "Set brightness to". [03:56] Well, the odd thing is, it didn't say anything about it being critically low, either. [03:56] DanaG: Really? [03:56] By disagrees, I mean, you'd expect one to act like the other, but they don't. [03:57] Actually, the set/dim by combination seems to make a bit of sense to me. [03:57] But I suppose it's not obvious, if you don't actually read the text :) [03:57] I set it to 25% when on battery, but I was surprised when it went to 75% brightness. [03:57] That's backwards. [03:57] Or the AC one should be "dim by .... 0%" [03:58] Which proves how absurd it is, in a way. [03:58] RAOF: did you ever get a sponsor for democracyplayer, btw? [03:58] speaking of brokenness? [03:58] Hobbsee: In Ubuntu? Yeah, it's uploaded, and works for me(tm) [03:58] cool :) [03:59] Democracyplayer hasn't been broken (for me) since Feisty :) [03:59] heh [03:59] And I don't think it's broken for anyone else, based on the lack of new bug reports. [03:59] neat! [04:00] Oh, yeah :) [04:00] DanaG: Actually, the AC one sets the baseline, and the battery one says how much dimmer than that baseline it should be on battery. Maybe it could be better worded, but it seems obvious to me :) === r0bby__ [n=wakawaka@cpe-24-164-167-171.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lamalex_ [n=root@c-71-225-106-125.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === other_ [n=SEOmoz@190.172.73.176] has joined #ubuntu+1 === brenix [n=brenix@netblock-72-25-108-192.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:17] What if baseline is 75%? [04:17] What would "dim by 50%" mean -- 75 - 50 or 75 * .50? [04:18] Then I think that it's .75 * .5 [04:18] That's bad for me -- I can only use discrete steps of 12 or 13. [04:19] Man, your hardware sucks. [04:19] There's a g-p-m bug about that, presumably. [04:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833 [04:19] Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] [04:19] My report. [04:19] Some laptops allow only steps of 10%. === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:19] So g-p-m should just use the nearest one. [04:20] The hard thing is, the kernel doesn't give any way to retrieve that data from sysfs. [04:20] Oh. [04:21] mmm... can i check which packages are from which repository (or at least find the trevio ones?) [04:21] ARgh, why does my hard drive keep spinning up and down? Doesn't that add wear to the drive? [04:22] jriachi: apt-cache policy ? [04:22] jriachi: That'll tell you which repository a particular package is from. [04:23] RAOF: and the reverse, given a repository get a list of packages? [04:23] Hmm, pulseaudio adds power usage by not allowing the codec to switch off, it seems. [04:23] jriachi: Uuuuum. :-/ [04:23] Synaptic can tell you that, I think. [04:24] installing synaptic [04:25] Ooh, using only 22 watts. [04:25] For my system, I'm rather surprised. [04:25] Yonah 1.83GHz running at 1.0GHz, with 1GB DDR2-667, with 128MB GeForce Go 7600 (in 2D mode currently), [04:25] and a 17" matte (and really dim) LCD at lowest brightness. [04:26] DanaG: how did you got to know the watts? [04:26] powertop tells me. [04:26] Or gnome-power-manager's graph can tell you. [04:28] Ooh, now only 22 watts. Pulseaudio keeps popping up and powering up my sound card. [04:28] Xorg : do_setitimer (it_real_fn) [04:28] Looks like "it_real_fun" [04:30] Wow, powertop is extremely buggy when resizing. [04:32] hah: gpm: 45 minutes, 54%. [04:32] ACPI: 1 hour 8 minutes, 54%. [04:32] Big deeeeeference. [04:34] anyone have desktop-effects working with fglrx and xgl? [04:34] DanaG: powertop tells me "no acpi power information", there should be my watts, :S? === lamalex [n=root@c-71-225-106-125.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:37] If you are on AC, then you won't get power info. [04:41] Oh, here's a feature of the e1000 module: It powers down the PHY when no cable is inserted, if you pass "SmartPowerDownEnable=1 === r0bby [n=rob@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:42] Ooooh [04:42] You know what'd I'd love to be able to do with Linux? === boris55 [n=richards@pool-71-111-200-108.rlghnc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:43] When people say "You should try OS X", I'd love to be able to say this: [04:43] date a model? [04:43] surprise us :) [04:43] model a date? [04:43] "Who needs it? I can already do everything you love about OS X in Linux." [04:43] what can't you do? [04:43] I don't know... I've never used OS X myself... [04:43] haha :) [04:44] my boss swithed from ubuntu to osx === DanaG face-faults [04:44] (at my own comment, not yours) [04:44] DanaG: you can say about linux "it was made by steve jobs and apple, the coolest company in the whole world?" [04:44] he says it's pretty much the same, osx has some extra polish, but isn't free [04:44] There's a bunch of stuff [04:45] Complete this survey and win a free Sudoku game!11!1!!! [04:45] (me: "You mean, like.... (digs through gnome menus)... gnome-sudoku?) === RAOF is learning dvorak :) [04:45] (oops, lost a closing ' " ') [04:45] DanaG: yes, like gnome-sudoku but free :p === mzuverink [n=mzuverin@adsl-76-212-85-69.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:50] The only thing I am really fanboyish about is HP, for no apparent reason. However, I limit myself to saying "ooh, look at this thingy!", "Ooh, they have that cool thingy"... --- but, I don't say "They rock, and everybody else sucks!12!!!!") [04:51] Is there a market for 17" notebooks with Intel graphics? I don't know, but HP offers one. [04:51] Gateway also has some cool stuff -- touchscreen+stylus tablet, 12", Core 2 Duo. [04:52] Wow, the faster I type, the more power I use. [04:53] DanaG: mmm... the kde systray icon, tells me the remaning battery time... but acpi keeps telling me "rate information unavailable." :S [04:54] Hmm. [04:55] try cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/* [04:56] charging state: discharging [04:56] present rate: unknown [04:56] remaining capacity: 3603 mAh [04:57] aah, then your BIOS just doesn't give you the info. :( [04:57] try sudo cat ... [04:57] sometimes it gives more [04:58] lamalex: it was under a sudo -i shell :( [04:58] ahok [04:58] Wow, seeing Dapper's usplash and login reminds me of how far Edgy and Feisty have come. [04:58] :) [04:58] heh [04:58] lamalex: acpi could try to figure it, anyway :S [04:59] DanaG: that's exactdly why i cant see why people get told "run dapper, it's better" [04:59] dingdingchirp [04:59] (jingly chirpy login sound .... nice.) [04:59] if you're setting up a webserver I would reccomend dapper [05:00] I can no longer remember any of my Dapper knowledge :) [05:00] Argh, why does Nautilus default to icons view? Ugh. [05:00] DanaG, because most people prefer it? : ) [05:00] indeed [05:00] default to anything else would be annoying [05:02] mmm... to get powertop to show C3 and C4, would a "Long battery life mode" (or sth like that) in the BIOS be useful? [05:03] I guess it does come down to preference. [05:04] (i think that the people who prefer list view, are usually expert enough to find out how to change it) [05:04] agreed [05:04] I don't believe it .... this old Celeron 700 laptop doesn't support standard ACPI stuff -- there's no /proc/acpi. [05:05] Yet, an old P2 laptop DOES support it. === roe [n=roe___@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fignew [n=fig@user-1121r2f.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:05] what's the make of each === Toma- [n=e17@203-166-231-160.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:05] One's a Dell -- P2 266 -- Inspiron 3500. [05:06] The other's HP -- Pavilion N5240, also called Omnibook XE3-something. [05:06] From dmesg on that laptop: bios is too old, dated 1992. [05:06] any advice as to how to troubleshoot a compiz.real crash on start of X? [05:07] check for a bios update maybe? [05:08] roe: Check ~/.xsession-errors? [05:09] yea it looks like its a bug with the current build, or at least someone filed it as a bug === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-55-232.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:12] wow, how much better can ubuntu get? [05:12] Does xsession-errors have anything interesting, or is it just "core dumped"? [05:13] RAOF, a couple of memory-warnings about "GSlice" [05:13] this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... [05:14] Eh, everything says that :) [05:14] http://www.pastebin.ca/599273 === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-55-232.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:16] roe: Eh, nothing obvious [05:17] that is why it's an alpha [05:18] boris55: hopefully way better [05:18] it's already great, but better is always ... better === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:20] should I wait till beta to try gutsy? [05:20] gutsy is buggy. do you want to deal with bugs? [05:21] ideally you should wait until final to try gutsy === fignew [n=fig@user-1121r2f.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:21] I can deal with some bugs if the applications generally work. [05:21] then wait for beta [05:21] at the least [05:22] boris55: imho, i find it pretty usable, some console work had to be done, but i think it is ok... [05:22] you're better off using feisty, you're not really going to benefit from using gutsy [05:22] not sure what's there that I need. fiesty is everything I need [05:22] unless you're looking to test and squash bugs there's no real reason [05:22] x.org 7.3 is available in gutsy? [05:23] i beleive so [05:23] openoffice actually opens now though. this is good [05:24] hobbsee: you had problems with OO in feisty? [05:24] but the kdesktop, device icons bug isn't solved :( [05:24] gutsy === Hobbsee hasnt run feisty since UDS. [05:25] ie, early may [05:25] guess I misread "openoffice actually opens now though. this is good" [05:25] well, it didnt before in gutsy [05:25] ah ok [05:26] it opens very quickly for me (at least comparitively [05:26] ) === Hobbsee should fix kubuntu-restricted-extras, though [05:26] quicker than it did in any preivew release [05:26] s/preivew/previous [05:29] hrm. where are the popcon results? [05:29] i want to see how many people actually install libxine1-console === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:31] (it would be great to be able to upload videos to the BTS) === roe [n=roe___@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:34] (but then... they maybe would appear on youtube to ridicule ubuntu :S) === fignew [n=fig@user-1121r2f.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === boris55 [n=richards@pool-71-111-200-108.rlghnc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:40] gnash works now! [05:40] sick === jimmygoon [n=jimmygoo@ip24-255-246-56.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:40] What's this I hear about no xorg.conf in the next X? [05:42] xorg 7.3 is supposed to be 'bulletproof' and figure out everything itself [05:42] ha! I'll believe that when I see it [05:43] I'm just curious about the config files... is it moving away from that file (format) or is that a messed up notion I have [05:43] I hope not [05:43] i'm actually not looking forward to it, I hate zeroconf apps [05:43] You wont need one, but you can still use one [05:44] Also, 7.3 is not yet in gutsy [05:44] parts of it are if I'm not mistaken [05:44] not the whole thing, but some yes? [05:45] does this miracle xorg include twinview support? [05:45] or whatever trainwreck fglrx is using these days? [05:45] heh [05:46] roe: For free drivers? Yes. [05:46] nv supports twinview? [05:47] Xorg obviously cant do anything about non-free drivers === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:47] I guess not [05:48] nouveau supports XRandR 1.2, and so supports twinview [05:48] do the unstable updates ever break things like grub that would REALLY make a system unusable (temporarily) === Hobbsee uploads u-r-e [05:48] jimmygoon: sure. kernel doenst boot. [05:49] jimmygoon: Yes. Don't assume that an update won't destroy your data [05:49] er, like even on another partition, heh... [05:50] Yes, although it's unlikely to [05:50] o_0 well, its a good thing I only run my unstables in a VM, at least until the later betas [05:51] but I'm not too afraid of dependency problems, and I backup regularly so :P === Hobbsee should backup. === lamalex has never backed up [05:51] idk why, just never got around to it === RAOF should not run only Sid and Gutsy on his lappy [05:52] i do when i'm about to format the partition [05:52] RAOF: i'm only running gutsy, and a copy of XP here. [05:52] + a VM, sometimes [05:52] (anyone bored and willing to replicate this kubuntu gutsy error?: http://nethen.org/misc/ubuntu/bug-deviceicon.ogm.avi ) [05:53] Nouveau kinda works in Sid :) === BHSPitLappy_ [n=steve-o@adsl-67-66-189-134.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-120-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:01] is there a list of major features that have been implemented thus far? trying to evaluate if i should give gutsy a test run === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p5B15E185.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:06] btw, woot+1 for rhythmbox+mtp support === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@208.69.214.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:07] xtknight: yes, on the release announcements [06:07] see the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list [06:10] ah awesome === jimmygoon [n=jimmygoo@ip24-255-246-56.ks.ks.cox.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] [06:14] mtp? [06:21] Argh, I put my iAudio6 in MTP mode, yet usb-storage still grabs it. [06:26] ooh: http://lwn.net/Articles/143397/ [06:26] I wish Gnome's eject would do that. [06:28] Odd... I don't get why my MTP device doesn't show up as an MTP device. === roe [n=roe___@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:30] I am using the nvidia module but I don't have 3d acceleration. glxgears pegs my cpu [06:35] glxinfo | grep rend === brenix [n=brenix@netblock-72-25-108-192.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu+1.log [06:43] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You do not have channel operator access to [#ubuntu-boot] [06:43] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-server] Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support) [06:43] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-ops] Welcome to #ubuntu-ops - Home of the operators for official K/X/Ed/Ubuntu channels. Questions, requests and complaints about Ubuntu related channels and their people can be filed here" === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 28 14:55:49 2007 [06:43] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken! === roe [n=roe___@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:44] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) odd redundancy: ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/*mt* [06:44] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4753 2007-07-01 21:36 /etc/udev/rules.d/65-libmtp.rules [06:44] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-05-31 08:32 /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules -> ../libmtp.rules [06:44] can someone give me a hand, whenever I open up an mpeg4 it brings my computer to a halt, I have tried both xine and mplayer. glxgears pegs the cpu but glxinfo show direct rendering = yes [06:49] I believe glxgears is supposed to eat CPU. === mo0osah [n=mo0osah@cpe-70-116-21-77.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:49] I didn't think it was supposed to with 3d enabled === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mo0osah [n=mo0osah@cpe-70-116-21-77.austin.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] [06:52] same issue as my mtp thingy: [06:52] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=522369 === mo0osah [n=mo0osah@cpe-70-116-21-77.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:57] wtf? I edit /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp-rules, [06:57] and yet mtp-hotplug ignores my changes. [06:57] It seems to have the list hardcoded. === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-158-234.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:02] I don't get it. === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-152-57.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === brenix [n=brenix@netblock-72-25-108-192.dslextreme.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-67-66-189-134.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === zrg [n=andrey@85.234.187.157] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-67-66-189-134.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === valehru [n=valehru@219.142.233.50] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mo0osah [n=mo0osah@cpe-70-116-21-77.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag [n=Agrajag@c-67-186-9-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === inclusa [n=alfons@87.221.48.255] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:11] aRGH, now I'm working with two laptops: [08:12] One with fn-ctrl-super-alt, [08:12] the other with ctrl-fn-super-alt [08:12] Moving back and forth between the two... painful. === inclusa [n=alfons@87.221.48.255] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [08:15] :/ [08:16] I don't have any specific preference, but using both side by side is just torturous. 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[12:42] linux_user400354: please see the topic, and dont repeat your question in multiple channels === PecisDarbs [n=pecisk@mail.republika.lv] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mode/#ubuntu+1 [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === linux_user400354 was kicked off #ubuntu+1 by Hobbsee (You should know better. Bye!) === sn- [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:44] wondered what this channel was for === mode/#ubuntu+1 [+b *!*@208-117-26-76.block5.gvtc.com!#ubuntu] by Hobbsee [12:44] sn-: gutsy [12:44] <-iso tester :) [12:44] so would make sense to sit in here [12:44] :) [12:44] welcome [12:44] tyvm === grumpymole [n=warren@c220-237-175-49.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thomax__ [n=thomas@217-148-245-19.happymany.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn_ [n=thekorn@vpn208.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Yodude [n=youssef@213.255.224.30] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:08] hello, any gutsy talk ? [01:08] yes Yodude [01:09] hehe i just wanted to say this seems to be a gret release [01:09] new gimp, new rythmbox [01:09] new effects [01:09] good work guys [01:09] new gnome, new firefox alpha, no compiz-effects :) lots to go in [01:10] but i have a question [01:10] will hibernate/suspend finally get some fix ? [01:10] cuz it really works like hell [01:10] total showstopper [01:11] well Yodude without knowing more its hard to say about your particular problem, suspend/hiberation/suspend to ram works for many people (me included) but it tends to vary depending on the notebook/chipset [01:11] i heard the kernel devs are aiming for it [01:11] but the question is when [01:12] cuz it's basic functionality [01:12] Yodude: not all the machines are the same. [01:12] if it is perhaps a problem for you then it would maybe be useful to submit a bug report or at the very least check for one outstanding [01:12] and try to work through it [01:12] i'd be glad to [01:12] anything to help the devs [01:13] i already submitted my hardware stats to the UHD [01:13] ok well lets start with some info gathering :) [01:13] so i will let you elaborate on your problem [01:14] hey i gtg eat [01:14] i'll be back though [01:14] i'll keep a note of your name on tomboy to ttyl [01:14] but just to start [01:14] i'm on intel + nvidia geforce FX 5200 === Yodude [n=youssef@213.255.224.30] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:15] im sure anyone will be happy to help, just not me [01:15] ah too late === tim__b [i=tim__b@draws.asciians.info] has joined #ubuntu+1 === h3sp4wn [n=samw@unaffiliated/h3sp4wn] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:28] so anyone tried today's daily image ?:) === Yodude [n=youssef@213.255.224.30] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:29] sn-: you still here ? [01:29] yep [01:30] so [01:30] you wanted to take note of my PC specs yea ? [01:30] to fix tht hibernate/suspend problem [01:30] sure, lets start with your system, its a notebook ? [01:31] it would be useful to run lspci and pastebin the output [01:31] desktop [01:31] one sec for lspci [01:31] ok and are you using nvidia-glx or the xorg free driver 'nv' ? [01:32] nvidno the nvidida restricted driver [01:32] btw can you give me the pastebin URL ? [01:33] sure, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ http://paste.debian.net [01:34] P.S: i just saw some pic of compiz fusion i just wanna say WOW [01:34] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28207/ [01:34] here's the lspci [01:35] alrighty, so you are using the non-free "nvidia" driver for your graphics, as a test i would maybe try using the 'nv' driver in your xorg.conf , restart X then try suspend/hibernate [01:35] to rule out the graphics at play, but you haven't mentioned what happens yet when you do try suspend/hibernate [01:36] well i get these text messages [01:36] one is "could not activate device 00:00 [01:37] and when it boot it up again i get a black screen === MetaBot [n=metabot@unaffiliated/ljl/bot/metabot] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:38] sounds like possibly graphics at play to me at least :) [01:38] yeah me too [01:39] i bet if nvidia would finally get the guts to friggin get out open source drivers nobody would have these problems [01:39] but try what i suggested, if you need a better explanation then ask away [01:39] cuz i hear hibernate works fantasti8c with intel GPUs [01:39] i know ubuntu has plans for the nouveau project at some point, its making "some" headway it seems [01:39] one of 100.x.9 or 100.x.11 had quite a few suspend related fixes [01:39] yeah but still needs time [01:40] i'll be trying it withoiut the nvidia non-free driver [01:40] nv is probably just as bad [01:41] (nvidia maintains it anyway) [01:41] h3sp4wn kindly mentioned newer nvidia drives as well, so you could try 'envy' to install the nvidia.com ones also [01:41] hopefully one of those will show some results [01:41] what is envy ? [01:41] hmmm does envy support gutsy yet, im not actually sure [01:41] does it make deb's ? [01:42] h3sp4wn afraid not, it installs/builds the required for using nvidia.com drivers [01:42]