=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Tribe 2 released === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Jun 28 14:53:42 2007 === daveinthesky [n=david@208-106-56-2.static.dsltransport.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mikmorg_ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-dyn27.91-127-77.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D9393.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-d27.84-47-27.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn105.91-127-40.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GNUdog [n=GNUdog@218.28.13.157] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === voltagex [n=voltagex@121-79-8-9-dsl.ispone.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] morning Hobbsee [03:47] hiya pygi [03:47] I think I'm in the wrong channel, I'd like to discuss a bug report with someonw. [03:47] which bug? [03:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/103025 [03:48] Launchpad bug 103025 in vlc "(Feisty) VLC sound quality is poor for many video files" [Medium,Invalid] [03:48] no idea about vlc, sorry === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] I don't believe it's a VLC issue [03:48] hey LaserJock [03:48] and from what other people in that discussion have said, it's an alsa problem [03:49] but personally I think it needs investigating, because there's a lot of confusion in that thread. [03:49] if it's really alsa problem, then crimsun is your guy, but he's probably sleeping now [03:49] which timezone? [03:49] sorry, which timezone is crimsun in? [03:49] hi pygi [03:50] voltagex, no idea [03:50] (so I know when to look for him :) ) [03:50] LaserJock, how is it going at this early morning? :) === Gman [n=gman@222-155-27-163.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] pygi: it's 6:50 pm here [03:50] voltagex, ah, he's already following the bug [03:50] 11:50 -!- crimsun is away: moving. Offline until sometime Monday [03:51] LaserJock, 3:50 :) [03:51] 3:50AM :) [03:51] 1150AM here. [03:51] voltagex, he's looking at the bug, don't worry [03:51] I'd like to get more involved in bug reporting, because I seem to keep stumbling onto them. [03:52] pygi: what would be the best way to help him? [03:52] voltagex, reproduce bug, attach traces, and such :) [03:52] voltagex: for help reporting bugs in general or alsa bugs in specific? [03:53] ah...complex [03:53] this bug in particular, because I have some free time now to chase it down. [03:54] then just put whatever you found in the bug report, since crimsun is already following the report === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] nod :) [03:56] crap, just realised what I wrote is very unhelpful - I made a post before I came in here. [03:58] so, reproduce this bug by playing a "crackling file", then copy some kind of verbose output to the report? Stack traces are beyond my current skill level, but if someone could point me in the right direction I'm willing to learn. === other_ [n=SEOmoz@190.172.73.176] has joined #ubuntu-devel === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryan [n=bryan@cpe-76-179-90-107.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryan is now known as Toxicity999 === milli [n=milli@host-69-144-152-153.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mikmorg__ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-120-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] siretart: er, are you talking about the fact that libxine-ffmpeg and plugins and whatnot depend on libxine1, or that libxine1 depends on itself? === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-120-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] looks like a circular dependancy between libxine1-ffmpeg and libxine1 too, where recommends are installed by default. [05:21] maybe i'm on crack or something [05:21] Hobbsee, possible :) === dcsmith [n=dcsmith@ool-4351bc6d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cynics [n=cynics@123.116.103.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson1 [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allworld [n=allworld@19-111.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ijuz_ [n=ijuz@p54ABE0E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@203.87.200.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Tribe 2 released === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Jun 28 14:53:42 2007 === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wattazoum [n=wattazou@ant06-1-82-242-110-34.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-152-57.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] Good morning [07:14] morning pitti! [07:14] it's a Hobbsee! *hug* [07:14] pitti: it is! *hugs back* :) === StevenK waves to pitti === Hobbsee turns violent, and eats pygi [07:15] hi StevenK [07:15] Turns, you say? [07:16] pitti: can you reject the first ubuntu-restricted-extras v7 please? === Hobbsee attempted to upload again to overwrite it, but it appears that i was too slow. [07:16] StevenK: surely i'm not *always* violent... [07:18] Hobbsee: so, emm, resumes? :-P [07:18] minghua: sorry? === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn111.91-127-100.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] minghua: oh, resumes being violent? [07:19] Hobbsee: yes [07:20] pitti: Regenerate cruft when and if you feel so inclined. [07:20] Please. [07:20] morning guys [07:21] morning fabbione! === Hobbsee turns fabbione into a squid, in greeting [07:21] hey Hobbsee === fabbione spreads inks all over Hobbsee === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Linux] [07:22] Hobbsee already did that to me. http://heh.fi/tmp/cephalopod [07:22] hey, I can't get upstream (and I have asked very nicely) to incorporate the license into his tarball. he does post the license on his website though (LGPL), this is for an icon package. Is there any work around what so ever, to get this in and legal? [07:22] nixternal: which package is it? [07:22] nixternal: I think youll only have to recreate orig.tar.gz, adding COPYING. [07:22] Hobbsee: sorry, nothing in NEW or accepted; I'm afraid you have to upload a new version [07:23] nixternal: I could be wrong, though. :-) [07:23] Burgundavia: icon package for kde [07:25] pitti: okay, will do [07:26] ion_: hehe, yummy [07:26] I would love it if I could rerecreate the orig.tar.gz with the license file..this icon package is the yummiest out there :) [07:27] nixternal: Id like to see a screenshot, btw. [07:29] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Crystal+Project?content=60475 [07:29] the screenshot on that page doesn't do it justice..the link to the homepage has more [07:29] Thanks [07:30] fabbione: just what i wanted. to be covered in ink... [07:30] http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview [07:30] there you go [07:30] :) === ion_ still enjoys Tangerine. [07:31] The Home icon reminds me a lot of the equivalent icon in the good old Amiga icon set, whatever its name was. === wattazoum [n=wattazou@ant06-1-82-242-110-34.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] StevenK: it finally finished, updated [07:35] pitti: Thanks [07:35] siretart: can I remind you about the ffmpeg soname transition? [07:37] pitti: spandsp is waiting on a new release of asterisk-plugins-spandsp to hit unstable, I'm not really comfortable poaching an unreleased version from pkg-voip's SVN. [07:38] StevenK: that's fine; but a simple rebuild won't do? [07:38] pitti: No, the current package can't build against Asterisk 1.4 [07:39] hi pitti [07:40] ah well, closed a couple of bugs [07:40] hey ajmitch [07:43] pitti: where can i find info on the ffmpeg soname transition? [07:43] as in, to find out which packages are affected [07:45] Hobbsee: same as where StevenK works from: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/cruft/ [07:45] pitti: bah. where's that duncecap? [07:45] My blood, sweat, tears, and occasionally other bodily fluids are in those lists. === StevenK watches the entire channel say "Ewww" === polopolo [n=paul@ip5457cfa6.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ion_ watches some channel members say Mmmmm and says Ewww to that. === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel === polopolo don't belive ion_, and I want also say that that is for #ubuntu-offtopic [07:51] pitti: Can I bug you to look at the MIRs for OpenAL and co to banish rss-glx from that list? :-) === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.105.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] StevenK: ah, yes === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn154.91-127-112.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d28.84-47-39.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-d211.84-47-60.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] pitti: Okay, that should be everything bar libavg for the libavformat0d transition. They should all get published and built over the next 2 hours. [08:20] StevenK: yay you === StevenK glares at libavg. [08:21] do we already have GutstyReleaseNotes ? [08:21] fabbione: we have them in distributed form in the specs at least [08:21] pitti: this is a bug fix.. there was no spec for it and it needs a note [08:22] "whops we just figured that we were writing an almost totally wrong SUN disk label on sparc.. and you really want to update it by running fdisk manually and reboot" [08:22] fabbione: I don't see an existing one, but feel free to create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes [08:22] kind of thing.. [08:23] pitti: yeah i couldn't find one either.. just making sure the RM god was ok with that before doign [08:23] fabbione: he'll come and hit you with lightening soon if he isnt [08:24] Hobbsee: no thanks. i am not in "getting spanked" mood today [08:24] lol [08:24] fabbione: i wouldnt have called lightning an implement for spanking...more "blasting"...but whatever you prefer :) [08:25] nah, unlike Hobbsee I don't eat/burn people :) [08:25] pitti: you sad, deprived person. [08:26] pitti: besides, i'm not the one who normally eats people. [08:27] Yay. libavg fails to build because of avformat API changes. Not totally unexpected. === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.39] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] StevenK: ok, openal/freealut checked and promoted; yay for two more obscure libraries in main :/ [08:31] BRRRRRRRR [08:31] pitti: i use them almost regularly [08:31] pitti: could you be persuaded to do pinentry-qt too? [08:31] pitti: x-plane needs them too :) [08:32] right, but this is highly universe games stuff [08:32] pitti: x-plane is not in archive :) [08:32] Hobbsee: that sounds more delicate, I'll have another look later; breakfast first :) [08:32] pitti: heh [08:33] pitti: http://www.x-plane.com/ <- better than FlightSimulator === Hobbsee gets out the lightning bolt === Hobbsee gets out the lightning bolts [08:33] fabbione: Better than FlightGear? [08:33] StevenK: mostlikely [08:34] Ahh, x-plane ENOFREE [08:34] fabbione: looks cool [08:36] pitti: it is.. 9 dual layers DVD + updates + plugins + SDK.. highly portable etc. [08:36] pitti: i can take it with me in London to show [08:36] StevenK: right, but it runs everywhere and it's FAA certified for official pilot training [08:37] Which automatically kicks FlightSim all over the place. [08:37] yeps [08:38] it has a lot more tho.. you should really give it a shot === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5c3:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] StevenK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/pics/random/xplane.jpg [08:38] (running on Linux expect on ppc where port is beta stage) [08:38] I think I'd rather get a handle on flying with FlightGear before I shell out cash for x-plane. :-) [08:39] StevenK: it's cheap tho.. like 60 USD or so [08:39] to be a game of that size is almost no money [08:39] (given the 10 dual layer DVD) [08:41] fabbione: Can x-plane actually handle all 34 buttons on that joystick under linux? [08:41] persia: yes. I have 2 joysticks attached to it [08:41] it's fully configurable [08:41] 2 joysticks and i still can't cover all the config options for flying [08:42] fabbione: Thanks. I wasn't sure it would work (given flightgear's arrangements). Thanks. === fabbione needs an 8 levels throttle "joystick" and pedals still === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] pitti: could you check if gutsy-changes died again? [08:44] fabbione: should be alive. [08:44] fabbione: i saw at least one from you before === StevenK tries to figure out how to drive quilt [08:44] ok then it's in the queue to arrive here i guess [08:45] fabbione: There ought to be about four from me. [08:45] accepted parted [08:45] fabbione: ^ [08:45] Hobbsee: ok.. i just didn't get them yet [08:45] :) [08:45] Hobbsee: yeah parted and util-linux === Hobbsee ponders...go to the bakery, or make own food... [08:51] StevenK: got one second for me? [08:52] fabbione: Certainly. [08:52] StevenK: could you try to resolve smtp.fabbione.net from where you are? [08:53] or telnet to it on port 25 [08:53] looks like emails are not coming back to me [08:53] It responds. [08:53] ok thanks [08:53] 220 trider-g7.fabbione.net ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu) [08:53] yeps.. [08:53] that's right [08:53] thanks mucho [08:54] No problem [09:03] Okay, then. quilt is .... interesting. [09:04] StevenK: Why? [09:04] fabbione: I don't have particular powers to check that [09:05] persia: It's the first time I've used it. [09:05] fabbione: I can just talk to the soyuz guys; did you get a reject email again? === pitti is now known as pitti_laptop [09:05] StevenK: Ah. Yes, it's a little different. [09:06] persia: A little you say? :-) [09:07] StevenK: Yes, in the same way that the width of the pacific ocean is a little far to swim (although I believe it has been done). === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee grumbles at the inconvenience of blood spurting everywhere. === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] Hobbsee: WTH did you do? [09:09] Hobbsee: !!! [09:09] cut myself on a can by accident === ScottLij [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] fabbione: it seems to work for StevenK at least [09:12] right. fixed. darned inconvienent, that [09:12] heya lifeless [09:13] hiya. === mvo [n=egon@p54A672AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] pitti: libavg fixed and just uploaded, too. [09:17] cheers === StevenK waits for rss-glx to retry. [09:18] StevenK: publisher is still running for the promotion change [09:19] Ahh === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] pitti: it seems to be a canonical mail server issue. [09:19] pitti: nothing you can do about it [09:22] Hrm. My libavformat fixing should have fixed libavcodec too. [09:23] pitti: Was it decided that the Beryl stuff would be killed? === Hobbsee gives pitti and lifeless a copy of hitch hikers guide to the galaxy, and suggests they read the front cover === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.15.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@130.75.237.195] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@vipnet5-164.mobile.CARNet.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] Hobbsee: I have the entire Douglas Adams collection here :) [09:29] StevenK: not really officially decided, but I guess it makes sense to kill those [09:29] pitti: then you know what the friendly green letters say on the front cover :) [09:29] i'm disappointed - my school library never had all of them. [09:30] i wonder if the uni library does..... [09:30] Hobbsee: they don't have the real essentials? :/ [09:31] pitti: seems not [09:31] pitti: our school wasnt great on such things. === timfros1 [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] they had the first 2 books of tomorrow when the war began - and note that the first was on the prescribed reading list for one of the subjects [09:32] Heh. My wife and I both have a complete set. === timfros1 [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee wonders who timfrost is. === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] nag: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/66518 <-- debdiff here for a very annoying bug, it's been sitting here far to long :( [09:34] Launchpad bug 66518 in gksu "[Edgy + Feisty] Startup Notification broken" [Medium,Confirmed] === Yasumoto [n=Yasumoto@64-60-25-163.static-ip.telepacific.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] please could some dev look at it :'( [09:35] mvo: ^ [09:35] siti: looking === timfros1 [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] thanks === timfros1 [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] siti: we usually do only fix major crashers or security problems in already released versions of ubuntu. === wattazoum [n=wattazou@ant06-1-82-242-110-34.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] yes, but for gutsy would be good [09:38] siti: right, gutsy should be fixed, but let me double check [09:38] (the debdiff would need to be changed for gutsy) [09:38] thanks === timfros1 [n=tim@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] carlos: the current gutsy update langpacks are relative to 20070625? [09:41] pitti: would it be easy to make apport ignoring g_logv and g_log for the bug title? === Czubek [n=Damian@90-156-41-197.as.kn.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] seb128: it would be cleaner to also 'unwind' it from StacktraceTop; would that be right? [09:41] pitti: ie, bug #123462 [09:41] yes [09:41] seb128: so the new gtk/glib now always calls g_logv() for a crash? [09:41] Launchpad bug 123462 in gnome-vfs2 "gnome-vfs-daemon assert "volume->priv->drive == drive"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123462 [09:41] g_assert_warning () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 [09:41] gnome_vfs_volume_unset_drive_private () [09:42] pitti: no, only for a gdk_x_error or an assert [09:42] seb128: seems that we actually should unwind until (including) g_assert_warning()? [09:43] pitti: they should [09:43] let me check to be sure... [09:43] seb128: so this bug would be shown as a crash in gnome_vfs_volume_unset_drive_private() [09:43] pitti: this bug is an assertion in gnome_vfs_volume_unset_drive_private() yes [09:44] we want to keep the g_assert_warning() though [09:44] to indicate it's an assertion [09:44] seb128: ah, ok; as you wish [09:44] seb128: right now I don't have logic to construct the bug title from a different StacktraceTop line than the first [09:45] seb128: that would introduce heuristics on two different places and might interact in a weird way [09:45] pitti: I'm fine having the title mentionning the g_assert_warning [09:46] seb128: ok; so I only unwind g_log() and g_logv() for now? [09:47] pitti: yes [09:47] cool, will do that [09:47] pitti: or do you think dropping the g_assert_warning as well would make sense? [09:47] seb128: it might, depending on how useful it is for dup detection [09:48] seb128: if it's just a standard function that happens on every assert, it should probably go [09:48] would it be easy to change the title when there is a g_assert_warning? [09:48] seb128: would be an ugly special case, so I would need to think about some generalization, but yes [09:49] "gnome-vfs-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv()" is the current title [09:49] "gnome-vfs-daemon crashed on assert in gnome_vfs_volume_unset_drive_private()" [09:49] that would be better ;) === thekorn [n=thekorn@vpn126.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] seb128: so g_assert() actually raises signal 5 now? [09:52] pitti: yes, it is [09:52] only 172 files exported yesterday [09:52] pitti: g_assert calls g_log and then "abort()" [09:52] pitti: btw, I think I will need to delay when the process starts because the mirror took a bit more time today so the exports failed.. === darzak [n=ashley@user-10lfecn.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] pitti: afaik g_assert didn't change === mathiaz [i=mathiaz@nat/canonical/x-0acc11f145d4f012] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfros1 [n=tim@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] Hobbsee: FWIW, self-dependencies are harmless [09:58] (dpkg ignores them) [09:58] cjwatson1: ahhh, right [09:58] Hobbsee: circular dependencies are *mostly* harmless, though can lead to postinst scripts being executed in something other than the order you might hope for [09:58] I cant believe i didnt think of this earlier. No need to quit Firefox anymore when watching a movie (since theres always some stupid script in some tab thats going to steal the precious CPU time from mplayer). I simply added pkill -STOP firefox and pkill -CONT firefox to my panel. :-) [09:58] cjwatson: right [10:00] circular pre-dependencies are bad; circular build-dependencies are sometimes necessary but are a pain === ScottLij [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] ahhh === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee commits a serial troll back into his jail cell. [10:09] hooray! [10:10] is there anyone passionate about no more source packages, or wants the debian packaging to be more collbrative? could they have a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoMoreSourcePackages/GitImpl [10:10] it's just a very rough idea, but so far I already see huge advantages [10:13] siti: given our big commitment to bzr, I doubt we would want to build a solution around git's model. [10:14] Mithrandir: yeah, I've thought about that, but would debian ever move to bzr? [10:14] also bzr is probably to slow for large packages [10:14] siti: debian is probably never going to adopt just one VCS. [10:14] git is gaining traction... [10:15] and bzr is getting faster [10:15] is bzr as easy to script for, e.g. could I do something like this in bzr: git-ls-files --ignored -x \* -o --directory | grep -v debian | xargs rm -rf [10:15] it automatically deletes all non-referenced files (much easier than writing cleaners in the rules file) [10:16] bzr unknowns |xargs rm -rf? [10:16] ok [10:16] (or 'bzr ls --ignored --unknown' to catch both ignored and otherwise-unknown files) [10:16] hmm, I wonder if there would be a way to standardise this across multiple DVCS ;) [10:17] ok [10:17] I really want this to happen because currently (for me anyway and I bet many others) making debian packages is well horrible, dpatch/quilt are very annoying to work with [10:18] quilt is a bit better, but it's very much the maintainer model [10:22] pitti: ping === mdz_ [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-4c03cdec56554743] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@nat/canonical/x-d9e9fc91c3ff54c1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] Mithrandir: well, what do you think would need to happen for something like this (what ever DVCS) to be adopted [10:22] because I really want it to happen... [10:23] hey Hobbsee [10:23] siti: lots of infrastructural work, probably. [10:23] pitti: are you busy? got a concept question about apport [10:23] pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123394 - how it handles during dist-upgrades, and memory usage. [10:23] Launchpad bug 123394 in apport "adept notifier crashes and bogs down after a dist-upgrade" [Undecided,New] === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] Hobbsee: hm, weird; the apport UI should load the problem reports one by one [10:28] Hobbsee: I'm not sure what exactly adept-notifier does, but I guess it just checks for new reports and calls apport-qt === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] Hobbsee: the root of the problem might be that libapt reports followup package errors; it should only report the first one [10:28] mvo: ^ [10:29] pitti: it should ignore follow-up errors, let me check the report [10:31] pitti: the bugreport does not look like it is releated to libapts problem reporting === yong [n=yong__wa@cdfwpr01.cd.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottLij [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] mvo: hm, ok; but something must have written those reports? [10:37] pitti: right. I have seen parts of kde crash during a upgrade, so it maybe just those? [10:37] mvo: ah, right, maybe [10:38] we'd need to actually see those crash reports [10:38] yeah === scott_ [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] what i'm wondering about is "is htere a safeguard to make sure apport + the upgrader doesnt take up all available ram?" [10:39] Hobbsee: apport> depends; it will limit core dumps to 3/4 of available RAM [10:39] Hobbsee: apport> but if there are multiple processes crashing in parallel, there will be multiple apports, too === mathiaz [i=mathiaz@nat/canonical/x-e5e3d9814b976a48] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73654.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] good morning === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d186.87-197-164.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] siti: if you're using a distributed VCS it really doesn't make sense to use dpatch or quilt *as well*, IMHO. [10:45] cjwatson: yep === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] I think we will see productivity gains for packages similar to what you would see with software if both moved from emailing patches -> DVCS === linux_user400354 [n=chris@208-117-26-76.block5.gvtc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@15.139-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] pitti: dammit, I forgot some uploads. Yes, will look into them! [10:51] Hobbsee: both [10:51] siretart: StevenK did some (all?) now; thanks for looking into it === |cerbero| [n=jga@pD9527F18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] I did all of the libavformat0d ones. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] That should have also taken care of libavcodec0d. [10:54] Nice how logs for currently building packages isn't available anymore. [10:55] siretart: right [10:56] StevenK: thanks! [10:56] siretart: No problem, and sorry if I stepped on your toes. === scott_ [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] StevenK: not at all! === thekorn_ [n=thekorn@130.75.237.209] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] Hobbsee: is there any problem with that self dependency? [10:57] Hobbsee: I think it is a bug (or at least interesting behavior) of dpkg-shlibdeps: it perhaps should check that it is about to generate a self dependency and just drop it [10:57] Hey, way cool. libgoffice-0-3 appears in it's own cruft list. === scott__ [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] siretart: dunno. i would have thought all dependancies on itself were bad... [11:00] Hobbsee: I haven't noticed problems because of this. in any case, I think that should be fixed in dpkg-shlibdeps (if necessary at all) [11:01] siretart: fair enough, i just noticed it by accident [11:02] Oh, that's right. I can't fix kwave because the error defeats my C++ skills. [11:03] seb128: apport change for the assert unwinding committed === thekorn__ [n=thekorn@vpn126.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] seb128: that doesn't change the subject structure for now, though [11:03] pitti: rock on ;) [11:03] ok [11:03] seb128: it'll end up as 'signal 5 in gnome_vfs_volume_unset_drive_private' ATM [11:03] that's good enough [11:04] triagers will stop to mark bugs duplicates because they crashed in "g_logv" [11:04] seb128: hm, seems it's urgent enough to upload it now? [11:05] pitti: would be nice [11:05] no hurry, but having bug title with an actual function name would be better [11:09] seb128: uploaded [11:10] pitti: danke === PhanteZ_b [n=PhanteZ@cop60-1-82-240-25-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] cjwatson: could you please mark https://code.launchpad.net/~kamion/langpack-o-matic/depends-fixes as 'merged'? === scott__ [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] pitti: done [11:19] thanks === mathiaz [i=mathiaz@nat/canonical/x-620b8e067b23995c] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d243.84-47-58.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] Hobbsee, why did you try to eat me? === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] 3/win 24 === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] hiya sabdfl [11:47] pygi: because you clearly were wanting it? I could have fed you to the troll in #ubuntu-offtopic if you like, or the one in #ubuntu-ops [11:47] Hobbsee, I wasn't even here, I was sleeping! [11:47] pygi: sure sure. you were just pretending. [11:47] :'( === Hobbsee wonders how many other people she's going to need to kick in the next half an hour. === pygi counter-eats Hobbsee === Hobbsee makes pygi deal with the mess of the userland channels. === pygi sweeps it under Hobbsee [11:52] (the mess) [11:52] heh === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] Hobbsee: What about the poor kernelspace channels? [11:56] Fujitsu: the trolls tend not to go there [11:56] Fujitsu: and even if they do, they dont bring 50 spambots with them. [11:56] it's much easier to kb one into the middle of next millenium than 50 [11:57] Ah. Fun. [11:59] Fujitsu: of course! === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.39] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000_ [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] seb128: Is Gstreamer 0.8 going to stay around for Gutsy, or are we going to kill it? [12:19] Fujitsu: and 2 more gone from #ubuntu [12:20] StevenK: it's on my list of things to clean, why? [12:21] seb128: gstreamer0.8-flac depends on an old version of libflac. [12:21] seb128: Trying to determine if it'd be a waste to spend time on it. [12:21] yeah, don't bother with 0.8 [12:21] we still have gst 0.8 in the archive? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] Mithrandir: It seems so. [12:22] sounds crackful === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] Mithrandir: there is still some apps using it === Fujitsu recalls getting rid of a couple of rdepends in Edgy. [12:25] seb128: goobox and gstreamer-editor? [12:25] goobox looks to be about it. [12:25] What Mithrandir said. [12:26] Mithrandir: yeah, it's good enough to be cleaned now [12:26] Mithrandir: that's what I said, it's on my "to clean" list for gutsy ;) [12:27] seb128: you and your lists. ;-) Always on top of things. :-P [12:27] there was a goobox update that crevette is working on [12:27] lol [12:27] could possibly be they switched to gst0.10 [12:27] dholbach: They would be fairly deranged to not have siwtched. [12:27] *switched [12:28] goobox in experimental uses 0.10, so I presume they've switched. [12:29] oh nice [12:29] thanks Fujitsu, I prodded crevette about it [12:29] Is gstreamer-editor any use if there's nothing using 0.8? [12:29] dholbach: he knows about it [12:30] Fujitsu: no === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-43-163.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] Fujitsu: that's just a matter to update goobox and clean the gst0.8 stack, I'll do it this week [12:30] seb128: Great :) [12:41] where can i find the default wallpapers from breezy? ive searched at packages.ubuntu.com and didnt find it. === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@208-117-26-76.block5.gvtc.com] by Hobbsee === linux_user400354 was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by Hobbsee (see #ubuntu+1) [12:42] Hobbsee: harsh [12:42] flipping hell.... [12:43] pitti: when he asks the same question in 4+ places... [12:43] pitti: besides, i've already kickbanned over 10 people today - the trolls are out in force. === mathiaz [i=mathiaz@nat/canonical/x-51cf6d5042cd4821] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-b *!*@208-117-26-76.block5.gvtc.com] by Hobbsee === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@208-117-26-76.block5.gvtc.com!#ubuntu] by Hobbsee === pbn [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl is now known as pkl_ [01:03] pitti: Regenerate the cruft lists when you feel so inclined, thanks. === thekorn_ [n=thekorn@vpn208.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] StevenK: grinding [01:04] Poor drescher. [01:09] isn't that list cronned? [01:10] not yet, I didn't manage to do that any more on Friday === Spads [i=spacehob@nat/canonical/x-0747e59d85102d69] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] StevenK: Shouldn't requestsync use 'rmadison -u ubuntu' now? It's probably more reliable (i.e. less dependent on the local system) than 'apt-cache madison'. === mvo [n=egon@p54A67D8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] StevenK: likewise it seems like it should use rmadison rather than looking at http://qa.debian.org/madison.php manually [01:17] Good idea, I'll hack that in shortly. [01:20] pitti: I've tried to upload g-wrap, but my upload seems to have been eaten several times. I did uploads afterward, that did got accepted, but g-wrap is constantly getting eaten. Who can I bug about this? [01:20] siretart: let me take a look === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] siretart: seems like you've triggered a bug in soyuz [01:21] 11:00:24 ERROR Exception while accepting: ERROR: permission denied for relation bugtracker [01:22] StevenK: /cruft/ updated [01:22] Mithrandir: uh, shall I reupload without the Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed: magic? [01:23] siretart: probably a good workaround [01:23] I'll nag cprov when he wakes up [01:23] willdo so. thanks [01:26] Mithrandir: yepp, removing that line helped here === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1c78:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] [01:31] pitti: Thanks. [01:32] pitti: It was as I suspected - libavformat0d and libavcodec0d can be killed when you wish. [01:32] StevenK: cool, thanks [01:33] done [01:34] StevenK: would you mind looking into what Debian did with curl? Did they add a shim to provide the old ABI as well, or did they revert an upstream version, and is there some discussion somewhere? === StevenK twitches. Curl bad. [01:34] StevenK: if the new package in Debian is sane, we should sync/merge it ASAP and re-rebuild the libcurl4 dependencies, I guess [01:35]