[01:16] <coNP> @now
[01:16] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 02 2007, 11:16:53 - Next meeting: Desktop Team in 1 hour 43 minutes
[03:00] <seb128> dholbach: hey ;)
[03:01] <dholbach> hiya seb128
[03:01] <Hobbsee> lonely meeting :P
[03:01] <seb128> anybody here for the desktop team meeting? ;)
[03:01] <man-di> @now
[03:01] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 02 2007, 13:01:43 - Current meeting: Desktop Team
[03:01] <seb128> hey Hobbsee
[03:01] <dholbach> welcome everybody for a desktop team meeting - who do we have here?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:02] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting is our meeting agenda
[03:02] <dholbach> and it's very short today
[03:03] <dholbach> we want to figure out what's on our todo lists for the next two weeks
[03:03] <dholbach> there'll be 2.19.5 next week
[03:03] <seb128> indeed
[03:03] <coNP> hey everyone
[03:03] <dholbach> anything else on anybody's todo list which we should highlight?
[03:04] <dholbach> hey coNP
[03:04] <dholbach> welcome coNP everybody - Aron's been doing amazing work on the team in the last weeks
[03:04] <seb128> we can also discuss things we can change in the team organisation if you have some suggestions
[03:04] <dholbach> looks like he got the lion share of gnome 2.19.4 done :-)
[03:04] <seb128> coNP: good work!
[03:05] <coNP> thanks dholbach, seb128 :)
[03:06] <seb128> do we have anybody who would be interested to take special care of a package?
[03:06] <seb128> like being the "maintainer" or one member of a team of people looking after it?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> i'm slightly worried about why you're discussing plans for edgy on that agenda...
[03:06] <dholbach> Hobbsee: 'Old Agendas'
[03:07] <dholbach> siti has been taking care of ekiga and friends in the last time, which has worked out really really well
[03:07] <Hobbsee> oh, point
[03:07] <dholbach> siti: is there any new ekiga release planned anytime soon?
[03:07] <siti> I think 3.0 is meant to be released in time for the next gnome
[03:07] <seb128> nice
[03:07] <dholbach> woah - great
[03:07] <siti> it's UI is much better1
[03:07] <siti> !*
[03:07] <seb128> siti: is ekiga uptodate in gutsy at the moment ?
[03:08] <siti> it's the latest stable
[03:08] <dholbach> that'll give us some time to get it tested properly for gutsy release
[03:08] <seb128> good :)
[03:08] <seb128> siti: thanks for working on it!
[03:09] <Hobbsee> seb128: if you're having maintainers on the gnome side, who is a volunteer, what does that mean about other people being able to upload to it, if the maintainer is inactive?
[03:09] <seb128> there is a bunch of untriaged bugs on launchpad for ekiga apparently
[03:09] <siti> yeah, most of the bugs are due to the old ekiga, so I've been lazy...
[03:10] <siti> almost everyone fixes there problems by updating to 2.0.9
[03:10] <seb128> Hobbsee: yeah, we don't have any lock, that's just it's easier to know that some people are looking after a package
[03:10] <dholbach> so setting to needsinfo and asking for confirmation with gutsy would help most of them?
[03:10] <siti> I think so
[03:11] <seb128> good
[03:11] <Hobbsee> seb128: so you dotn have a policy for what happens if someone was doing the regular releases, and then drops off the face of the planet?
[03:11] <dholbach> ok, maybe we should add that as a 'todo task' to our page
[03:11] <seb128> should we clean this list on wednesday for the bug day?
[03:11] <seb128> that seems a reasonable goal
[03:11] <dholbach> yeah, it sounds like a very good idea
[03:11] <seb128> Hobbsee: no, we have a wiki page where we list work to be done and claim things we are working on
[03:11] <Hobbsee> seb128: fair enough
[03:12] <seb128> we usually update if there is no reaction from the usual maintainer in the next days after a new version
[03:12] <Hobbsee> interesting, thanks for letting me butt in :)
[03:12] <seb128> np :)
[03:13] <seb128> siti: would you be interested to hand on #ubuntu-bugs on wednesday for the bug day and help cleaning the ekiga list?
[03:14] <siti> I don't know what I am doing on wednesday, but I can start going through the bugs soon
[03:15] <seb128> k, so let's note this list on the weekly TODO
[03:15] <dholbach> rock and roll
[03:15] <seb128> we will try to give an hand and get it cleaned ;)
[03:15] <dholbach> is the TODO page working OK for everybody?
[03:15] <siti> thanks
[03:15] <seb128> another small goal somebody would like to add?
[03:16] <seb128> so we have
[03:16] <seb128> - update GNOME to 2.19.5
[03:16] <seb128> - clean the ekiga list of bugs
[03:16] <dholbach> - update remaining tarballs
[03:17] <dholbach> should we add 'regular bug tasks' like "reviewing all bugs wit patches" or "cleaning old needsinfo bugs" or other bug lists on DesktopTeam/Bugs?
[03:18] <dholbach> of course add:
[03:18] <dholbach> - get exciting new stuff packaged
[03:18] <dholbach> ;-)
[03:18] <seb128> I think we should have a short list of goals for between now and the next meeting
[03:18] <seb128> and a regular TODO for tasks like cleaning needsinfo, etc
[03:19] <dholbach> ok, I'll add a "regular tasks" section to the page
[03:19] <dholbach> maybe we should do the "weekly goals" thing as a wiki include
[03:19] <dholbach> that way we could have it on the frontpage and on todo
[03:19] <dholbach> and in other places, where like to plug it
[03:19] <seb128> looks good
[03:20] <seb128> you are the wiki master, if you know how to do it ... :)
[03:20] <dholbach> alrighty, I'll do that
[03:20] <seb128> thanks
[03:20] <dholbach> cheers
[03:20] <seb128> anybody else with ideas for a better organisation, things you would like to work on, things you thing that should be done for gutsy?
[03:20] <dholbach> hiya fernando
[03:20] <seb128> hey fernando
[03:21] <fernando> hey dholbach
[03:21] <fernando> hey seb128
[03:23] <seb128> coNP: there is a new GNOME unstable every 2 weeks usually
[03:23] <seb128> we merge with Debian on start of the new cycle usually and then only when there is changes we want
[03:24] <seb128> right now we are mostly done with merges for gutsy
[03:26] <seb128> anything else?
[03:26] <seb128> anybody with some cools idea or things he wants to work on? ;)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: replace gnome with kde!  :P
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ahem.
[03:27] <seb128> Hobbsee: you are already working on that, aren't you? :p
[03:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: erm...cant confirm or deny, on the basis that it may incriminate me.
[03:27] <seb128> doesn't seem to be working though ;)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: you just wait for KDE 4....
[03:27] <seb128> you just wait for GNOME 3 :p
[03:28] <fernando> fight
[03:28] <Hobbsee> now that has no ETA at all :P
[03:28] <seb128> ;)
[03:28] <seb128> k, look like not a lot of other things to add
[03:28] <seb128> dholbach: ?
[03:28] <seb128> the meeting was short but we didn't have one for some time
[03:29] <dholbach> no, not from me - I'd just like us to make an effort to get all the gnome-ish stuff reviewed
[03:29] <seb128> we have some goals for the coming weeks and we will try to have a better list for next one
[03:29] <dholbach> I know that REVU is not perfect, but it's what's used mostly these days
[03:29] <seb128> would be nice if people could add easy goals, or make list of bugs which can be tackled in a bug day like the ekiga one
[03:29] <seb128> so we can keep going with easy tasks weekly
[03:30] <seb128> and show that things are done
[03:30] <seb128> dholbach: right
[03:30] <dholbach> I can make a list of those and add it to the weekly todo, if you like
[03:30] <dholbach> link them from there
[03:30] <dholbach> also for this weeks goals, I'll add all the remaining tarballs, if you don't mind
[03:31] <seb128> dholbach: no problem
[03:31] <dholbach> ok super
[03:31] <coNP> and s/June/July/ :)
[03:31] <seb128> should we have a page where tasks for the week stay
[03:31] <dholbach> I'll let you know once it's done
[03:31] <seb128> and get a green line when they are done
[03:31] <dholbach> yes, I'll make that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/WeeklyTODO
[03:31] <dholbach> working on it now
[03:32] <seb128> cool
[03:32] <dholbach> should we try to agree on a time and date for next week?
[03:32] <dholbach> erm
[03:32] <dholbach> next meeting
[03:33] <dholbach> what about same time in two weeks?
[03:33] <dholbach> does that work well for everybody?
[03:35] <seb128> dholbach: not sure it's ideal, that's during GUADEC ;)
[03:35] <dholbach> hehe :)
[03:35] <dholbach> ah right
[03:35] <seb128> 3 weeks?
[03:35] <dholbach> fine with me, although I'll probably be at ubuntulive
[03:35] <seb128> dholbach: will you be there in 2 weeks?
[03:36] <dholbach> no, the week after guadec
[03:36] <seb128> no, I mean available for a meeting
[03:36] <seb128> in which case let's do it in 2 weeks
[03:36] <seb128> you will be around since you don't go to GUADEC
[03:36] <dholbach> yes, that's fine with me
[03:36] <seb128> and I'll be around for the next one when you are on holidays
[03:37] <seb128> I mean be able to join from GUADEC also
[03:37] <seb128> I expect they will have wireless there ;)
[03:38] <dholbach> yeah, I should think so :)
[03:38] <dholbach> ok, let's go with 2 weeks from now, same time
[03:39] <dholbach> everybody ok with that?
[03:41] <seb128> yes
[03:42] <dholbach> super
[03:42] <dholbach> anything to add? any problems you see at the moment? anything we should make sure to get done soon? anything you'd like to let the team know?
[03:45] <dholbach> ok, probably not
[03:45] <dholbach> let's adjourn then
[03:45] <dholbach> thanks everybody for turning up
[03:46] <dholbach> let's bring up everything else on ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com then
[03:46] <dholbach> have a nice day
[03:50] <seb128> thanks dholbach