=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-ops.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Topic for #ubuntu-ops: Welcome to the home of the operators of all Ubuntu (and derivatives) channels | This channel is for operator/abuse questions only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | IRC team info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam === Topic (#ubuntu-ops): set by Seveas at Fri May 11 11:21:21 2007 === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Burgundavia] by ChanServ === alindeman [i=adml@freenode/staff/alindeman] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v alindeman] by ChanServ === GazzaK [n=Gary@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Gasten [n=Gasten@h154n2c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:44] Is Seveas here yet? [09:47] n [09:47] o [09:47] /wii Seveas [09:47] nzk: /msg nickserv info seveas [09:47] 3 weeks? [09:47] Jesus christ [09:48] life is [09:48] isn't he like, the head of IRC for Ubuntu? [09:48] he's taken a break, for personal reasons [09:48] and there's an op council [09:48] so, it's not just him. [09:48] Can't someone besides him unban me? [09:48] are you asking can or will? [09:49] Both [09:49] technically, yes, anyone with access can unban you. [09:49] will, i'll leave that up to the council - but previously, their answer has been no [09:49] It's been a year [09:50] Like seveas said, I can get unbanned in a year [09:50] it's not been a year [09:50] seeing as i've only used linux for 2 - it's been way less than half my time using linux, that he told you that you could come back in a year. [09:50] 10 months, 2 or 3 weeks. [09:50] August 17th, 2006, was the ban date, I believe. [09:51] so it's not been a year [09:51] next question [09:51] @btlogin [09:52] However, gnomefreak or whatever his name was recommended for my being unbanned recently, what happened with that? [09:52] your last ban in #ubuntu was april 9, 2007 [09:52] That's an autoban from when I came in on another IP, and the bot saw me [09:53] Since I had the channel on autojoin for a long time, and if I went to a hotel or something [09:54] august 26 was the last user-set ban for #ubuntu it looks like [09:54] My birthday :) [09:54] But I wasn't even on the computer that day... [09:55] no, i dont accept excuses of "i couldnt control my account, when i was identified", or "the rules dont apply to me because i didnt read them" or any other crap excuse like that. [09:56] I didn't make excuses, I just said I don't recall being on the computer on my birthday. [09:56] Oh Hi nzk morning [09:56] Not here [09:56] Of all places [09:56] nzk: then again, if you cant behave in other ubuntu channels, why should we believe that you can behave in #ubuntu? [09:57] What do you mean by that? [09:57] nzk: the last time you trolled one of them, it was...lets see....May 19th, 2007. [09:57] I've behaved fine in #*ubuntu* channels [09:57] and you cannot behave in other freenode channels, thats for sure [09:57] Which channel was that? [09:57] #ubuntu+1 [09:57] You were the one that set that ban, it was something like asking for Feisty support but you only had Gutsy support [09:57] speaking of unabnning.. I get forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic and did the firmware upgrade. Can I get checked again for this? [09:58] indeed. [09:58] sdouble: sure [09:58] Hobbsee, that wasn't trolling though [09:58] no, was merely disobeying teh rules. so i'm checking the others [09:58] sdouble: you're fine :) [09:59] wonderful. thanks again. [10:01] So what do I have to do to get unbanned? [10:01] nzk: what's more, your last #ubuntu-offtopic ban was clearly done to annoy the ops, and to show that you cant behave. You've been on irc long enough that you know perfectly well what !ops does. Therefore, i say, it's a year from that date, ie, a year to see if you can learn to behave, from the last time that you clearly havent. [10:01] Argh [10:01] That wasn't to "clearly annoy the ops" [10:01] which means, dont come back until January 14th, 2008 [10:01] you know what ops does. you're a known troll. [10:01] good day to you. [10:01] I didn't know, I swear [10:02] .... [10:02] Besides, it has more to do with knowing ubotu commands than being on IRC [10:02] next you're going to tell me that on all ubuntu irc channels, you havent been taking any notice of the bot. [10:02] I have but I never saw anyone use/mention that command [10:02] IIRC [10:03] any seconds? [10:03] nalioth: got a problem with that? [10:03] You came into -offtopic, and I wanted to see if you were an op so I did that, unknowing that it would highlight all the ops [10:03] I apologized anyway, it was an honest mistake [10:04] unless anyone from the op council speaks up against it, and proposes something better, that will be the terms of the agreement about being unbanned in ubuntu related channels. [10:04] elkbuntu: ^ [10:05] i agree with seveas, for his ban message. "bollocks" [10:06] nzk, if you didnt know it was going to highlight the ops, why did you do something that by your own admission was going to list the nicks of ops? [10:07] please try to not contradict yourself, it only digs you deeper into the hole you're already in [10:08] elkbuntu: so you're seconding? === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [10:11] Hobbsee, seconding the reason for punishment, but he can be unbanned *on probation* in 12days, (6mths from last infraction). After which the next infraction regardless of severity would incur a 12mth ban or permaban at the discretion of the council [10:12] nzk, mark 12days time in your diary and come back then. this decision is final. [10:12] elkbuntu: okay, agreed. === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [11:21] Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu [11:23] holy hell [11:23] wow, larger than normal [11:24] lol, that seemed fun... [11:28] yes... [11:31] "larger than normal"? [11:31] elkbuntu: um... [11:31] Seeker`: yeah, the troll hit [11:31] ah, ok [11:32] there's a troll in -offtopic [11:32] I'm not sure what to do with him [11:32] you'd need to see him [11:32] which one? [11:33] Ammi [11:33] [12:34] < Ammi> I know from experience that ladies need to be harshly dealt with when they even remotely appear to be acting out of hand. [11:34] woah [11:34] i told nzk he had to wait for seveas [11:35] gnomefreak: i decided otherwise, as seveas wasnt here. and i'm still on the temporary council, while the full one is going thru [11:35] Hobbsee: i was repling on his comment that i siad he would be unbanned and i never said that [11:36] gnomefreak: ahhh... [11:36] right === Hobbsee waits to issue a kickban... [11:38] please do [11:38] i need something to do it *for*, as i didnt just kickban when i first looked at it. [11:39] which i was going to do..but felt slightly generous [11:39] isnt ban evasion against the rules? [11:39] heh [11:39] Seeker`: yes [11:39] ah, not banned, just kicked [11:39] ? [11:39] Kickban on me? === Seeker` needs to use his eyes [11:40] Why does everyone hate me :( [11:40] Seeker`: removed [11:40] nzk: because we've seen the way you act. [11:40] nzk: I wasn't talking about you [11:40] Hobbsee, One isn't judged by 4 seconds [11:40] nzk: indeed. that's why i didnt :) [11:41] Myrtti: any idea if this guy is just smoking crack tonight, or is just usually offensive? [11:41] I've never seen him before [11:41] right [11:44] Hobbsee: i love your reason... lol [11:44] hehe :) [11:44] may as well have something descriptive on the bantracker. [11:44] heh, yeps [11:44] he'll probably try to evade that, looking at the IP === Webuser [n=Webchat@195.197.189.9] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Webuser is now known as Myrtti_ [11:46] see Hobbs [11:46] what is the bantracker? just /mode #channel +b? [11:46] or a website or something? [11:46] http://www.undernet.de/webchat.php [11:47] Seeker`: website [11:47] ah, ok [11:47] Myrtti: true that [11:47] Seeker`: /mode #channel -b is the ban list for that channel [11:47] no, i banned by real name as well, which was the website [11:47] wow, it really even shows my ip-address [11:47] gnomefreak: Yeah, I was just wondering if "bantracker" is different terminology for that or not [11:48] the bot keeps track of bans :) [11:48] Seeker`: the bantracker is a thing that seveas wrote [11:48] gnomefreak: thank goodness for that :P [11:48] your not kidding [11:49] wow, there are a lot of bans in #ubuntu [11:50] Seeker`, a lot of trolls without a bridge [11:50] Seeker`: yeah...and that was after the big freenode crash [11:50] big freenode crash? [11:50] Seeker`: most are forwards from exploit [11:52] Seeker`: there was one a while ago [11:53] fair enough [12:06] In ubotu, lliktsum said: she is mean! === Jordan_U [n=Jordan_U@209.76.192.5] has joined #ubuntu-ops [12:09] lyndis is trolling in #ubuntu [12:11] bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu [12:13] oh le sigh [12:13] Jordan_U: yes, we know, we can see with the !ops call [12:14] Hobbsee, I said that before anyone called !ops [12:14] oh, true [12:14] sorry [12:15] heh, looks like a busy morning for the ops :) [12:16] i'm going on a troll hunt... [12:16] yeah [12:16] hehe [12:16] we have a pet one in ubuntuforums, but he/she is playing nice [12:16] Hobbsee: I bet you wished you got paid per troll you had to kick :P [12:17] haha [12:17] GazzaK: you mean lliktsum? [12:17] yeah [12:17] hehe [12:17] GazzaK: Where are you an op? [12:18] ahh, i was wondering about lliktsum but didnt see them in #ubuntu [12:18] -uk, #gaygeeks and ##apple Seeker` [12:19] cool === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ [12:35] GazzaK: highlight me please :) [12:35] jenda, do I have to? meh [12:35] bah [12:35] phew no autokick, yay [12:36] my GUI notifs are dead :/ === GazzaK tickles jenda's GUI notifications [12:37] meh :) [12:37] GazzaK: one more time, please :) === GazzaK tickles jenda's GUI notifications [12:37] jenda, do I have to? meh [12:37] either work? [12:37] great :) [12:37] thx === Seeker` could imagine getting out a pink highlighter and going hunting [12:38] whats it do? [12:38] s/imagine/imagine gazzak [12:38] jenda - do you love me? [12:38] GazzaK: nope, not really. === GazzaK giggles [12:38] hmm [12:38] and it doesn't even seem to work any more :/ === Hobbsee gets the itchy kickban finger === GazzaK dons safety hat [12:38] havent kickbanned anyone in 10 mins. something is wrong. [12:39] there was one just then in #ubuntu but you missed it [12:39] 83.230's only get one warning... grr [12:40] Hobbsee: I'm sure GazzaK will start trolling if you ask him nicely :P [12:40] lol [12:40] heh [12:40] and get the wrath of Hobbsee, nothxbye [12:40] 12:38 < mcuenca> ablar kojones === Hobbsee suggests just banforwarding teh entire 83.230's [12:40] I banned him. [12:40] jenda: what's that? [12:40] (although he left) [12:40] Hobbsee: cojones = balls [12:41] ahhh [12:41] ablar might be 'have' [12:41] hows it pronounced? [12:41] kohoness [12:41] Hobbsee, I did that to here for about an hour a bit ago and it just made them join/spam/part more it seemed... [12:41] and it goes earily quiet.... [12:41] ahhh [12:41] true === Hobbsee gets the kickban fix x2 === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jrib] by ChanServ [01:29] hmm are the bots coming... [01:29] incomming bot clone... [01:30] hrm, no good === Hobbsee bans that lot [01:32] jrib: id' stay +o - even just to thrwo them off. [01:33] should I? [01:33] Myrtti: go ahead [01:33] Myrtti: wont hurt, to say the least, with all the stuff that's happened tonight [01:33] might calm people down a bit, not make them so stupid [01:35] sigh [01:36] *hits house on the tv for not paying more attention in #ubuntu* [01:36] a couple were still going through to -unregged... [01:37] woo, trolltastic [01:39] *wonders if staff are aware...? [01:40] PriceChild: Cant hurt to tell them [01:41] !staff [01:41] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :) [01:41] Hey [01:41] Thanks, we're aware [01:41] thankyou :) [01:41] yo [01:41] I think they've "just" stopped running into -unregged... === jenda totally not having fun - have to restore my fathers emails for the year 2007, and gmail doesn't want to give them :) [01:42] hah, painful :\ [01:42] PriceChild, it's still +r, fyi [01:43] yeah, might be an idea to keep that on for a bit...? [01:43] Fine, fine, just letting you know as you seem to keep going -R :-) [01:43] well... unregged nicks will be talking in #ubuntu and not realise its only 4 of us hearing :P [01:44] kjeh [01:45] I -R a while ago :) [01:46] so you did :) [01:54] jrib, lets -r...? [01:55] PriceChild: sure, was thinking the same thing [02:05] i *knew* that as soon as i left the keyboard, they'd attack === jrib glues Hobbsee to her keyboard to prevent further attacks [02:06] hah [02:06] *imagines hobbsee walking around with the tips of her fingers glued to the keyboard and smirks* === Hobbsee :( [02:10] Hobbsee: get a laptop and carry it round with you :D [02:10] heh [02:10] this is a laptop === PriceChild now imagines her running around laptop glued to her finger tips [02:11] simple things... [02:11] Hobbsee: You have (almost) no excuse for being afk then :P [02:11] heh [02:12] if my laptop weren't dying, i'd carry it round the house with me [02:12] i think the hard drive is borked :( === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ === pleia2 [n=lyz@clockbot.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v pleia2] by ChanServ === Seeker`_ [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-ops === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-44-127.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ === maxamillion [n=adam@158.135.24.26] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ === Gasten [n=Gasten@h154n2c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:00] Hi Gasten, how can we help? [05:00] PriceChild: ? [05:00] I've been forwarded to thi channel for 5 month, and never been asked what i need :) [05:01] I've never seen you before which is why I asked :) [05:01] Well, sure. [05:01] from what channel? [05:01] So, When I try to join #ubuntu-offtopic, I get forwarded here. [05:01] it were due to a unappropriate quit-message. [05:01] ah I see. [05:01] it's change now., [05:02] from april... hardly 5 months [05:02] changed* [05:02] could I see? :) [05:02] PriceChild: Damn.. those ops.. :D [05:02] sure. [05:02] you want me to quit? [05:03] would be nice to see what its changed to, though if you promise its changed I'll believe you :) [05:03] ./cs ban Gasten #nice return suprise [05:03] hehe === Gasten [n=Gasten@h154n2c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:04] PriceChild: That's ok? [05:04] Yes thanks :) [05:04] Thank you. === Gasten [n=Gasten@h154n2c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Off] === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jrib] by ChanServ [05:14] wonder what his message was [05:15] GazzaK: search the bantracker? [05:15] then give me a linky :) [05:16] that takes effort [05:16] lol === Pici checks === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-ops === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-ops === ciberpunk69 [n=ciberpun@83.230.207.141] has joined #ubuntu-ops [06:02] hola === Seeker`_ [i=coattes@geyser.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Seeker`_ [i=coattes@geyser.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [06:29] kitche called the ops in #ubuntu [06:30] Really tempting for us to just ban 83.230.*.... [06:31] they're clearly misbehaving [06:31] i say send tehm here at least [06:31] that didn't work really [06:32] set up a round robbin, send them to one channel, get that to auto forward them some other place etc etc === anabelen [n=anabelen@83.230.207.83] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Seeker` [n=cjo20@81-6-228-211.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Seeker` [n=cjo20@81-6-228-211.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops [07:29] In #ubuntu-in, mehulved said: ubotu, the problem is that both your nicks are similar :P [07:30] ... [07:34] eh [07:36] hehe === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-ops === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jrib] by ChanServ === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v ompaul] by ChanServ === iAmaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v iAmaranth] by ChanServ === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === maxamillion [n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ === maxamillion [n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ === GazzaK [n=Gary@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Sonicadvance1 [n=ubuntu@72.24.183.243] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:06] Hey, can we get some factoids removed from a channel? [09:06] It seems that I've been banned from #ubuntu due to the port 6667 bug [09:06] Hey Daviey, which ones? [09:06] Sonicadvance1, hey, reconnected on 8001? [09:06] !ohmy [09:06] Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. [09:06] !language [09:06] Yes [09:07] and !inappropriate [09:07] Sonicadvance1, you may rejoin #ubuntu :) [09:07] PriceChild: it's causing botabuse and tension having them [09:07] Thank you [09:07] Daviey, what channel? Why can't you just not use them? === iAmaranth [n=amaranth@ip72-196-13-134.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v iAmaranth] by ChanServ [09:07] #ubuntu-uk === PriceChild reads the backlog there [09:07] PriceChild: People abuse them [09:08] PriceChild: look for about 2pm [09:08] I can't remove them from that channel... but I could replace them with nothingness kinda thing [09:08] that would be better [09:08] remove the people not the factoids as the factoids didnt do anything wrong [09:08] wait but shouldn't they be following the CoC in a CC approved LoCo channel? [09:08] PriceChild: can ubotu msg the sender a custom message instead [09:08] ? [09:08] PriceChild: We are trying to follow the CoC [09:08] CC approved yes even not CC approved yes [09:09] but it gets annoying when you get 3 or 4 people going !ohmy [09:09] Finds logs [09:09] We want to try and deal with incidents differently [09:09] rather than people firijg off factoids [09:09] as far as i know #ubuntu-* has to follow the CoC [09:09] gnomefreak: We can follow the CoC without !ohmy [09:10] Seeker`: than dont use it :) [09:10] so don't use it... [09:10] PriceChild: I dont, others do === gnomefreak doesnt use it [09:10] that is the problem [09:10] someone says !ohny and all hell breaks loose? [09:10] we have several people on the channel that insist on abusing it, and we feel that it would be a better solution to get it changed to nothingness rather than ban people [09:10] gnomefreak: in a word, yes [09:11] Reading it I don't think its the factoid that's the problem... [09:11] PriceChild: The factoid annoys several people [09:11] including me [09:11] I can understand that.. [09:11] even when it isn't directed at me [09:11] we cant really pull a factoid out of one channel but you can make !ohmy#ubuntu-uk is stop screwing with the bot [09:12] that would be good [09:12] I still don't want to. [09:12] lol === GazzaK agrees [09:12] There are people in that channel with attitudes who need to learn how to behave. [09:12] PriceChild: we are working on that [09:12] PriceChild, stop looking at me === PriceChild tickles GazzaK "oh behave!" [09:12] i have tro agree with PriceChild its not needed if people stop playing with it. tell the ops to do thier job? [09:13] s/tro/to [09:13] gnomefreak, their\ [09:13] PriceChild: can it be made to msg the user saying please contact an op if you have a problem etc? [09:13] *wonders about pming the people he sees stand out on the log* [09:13] botabuse is punnisable by kick [09:13] PriceChild: don't please [09:13] I was afk at the time. The problem is that several people see it as a joke [09:13] PriceChild: it will cause more problems atm [09:14] PriceChild, we will try to sort them out ourselves first please [09:14] *takes his nasty hat off* [09:14] once we get ubuntu ops involved it takes it to the next level, something we are dying to not happen [09:14] yeah === gnomefreak wonders how an op doing thier job causes problems, oh well i go do something else now, beena long damn morninbg [09:15] Just tell them straight in PM if their behaviour is unacceptable === maxamillion [n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ [09:15] PriceChild: its not that simple [09:15] gnomefreak, since it is not a main support channel, but more of a social ish channel, being heavy might be seen as bossy [09:15] GazzaK, but I thought there was a problem? [09:15] yeah, we don't like that style [09:16] an unrelated problem that ubotu is making worse === nzk [n=nzk@unaffiliated/nzk] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:21] hmmm === phos-phoros [n=donovan@unaffiliated/phos-phoros] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:28] out of interest, does the CoC mandate no swearing? [09:28] !coc [09:28] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [09:28] "be respectful" kind of thing [09:28] sorry couldnt help it :) [09:29] PriceChild: doesn't really answer the question :P [09:29] along with "be considerate", you don't know who's around... and so you should be poilte so you don't offend [09:29] so is "respectful" the same as no swearing? [09:29] ie if it fitted the convo, could a swear word be totally okay [09:29] along with consideration for others [09:29] if it were a common use word [09:30] does referring to an old computer as "s***" count as being unconsiderate, or not respectful [09:30] ie if it is a word often used on telly, before 9pm [09:30] well is the s word a bad word or not? [09:30] PriceChild: I think as long as it isn't directed at someone, no [09:30] scratch that... [09:31] can I give examples? [09:31] but thats my PoV [09:31] is there a very real possiblity that someone would read the s word as being a "nasty word" [09:31] without getting kicked :p [09:31] This is a problem we've been having for months; some poeople feel the need to use bad language and others won't accept it [09:31] this is your opinion that matters... seen as you're the operators in the channel [09:31] you make the decision [09:31] thats what I thought [09:31] PriceChild: we are split [09:31] but IMO you should want to be open to all [09:32] if you allow bad language, you turn some away who don't like it... if you don't allow bad language, then you keep those people, and there's also no reason why those who don't mind language would want to leave [09:32] there are people that feel that it is unfair to stop them using the language they normally use [09:32] I would say that those who want the "right" to use bad language despite if making others feel uncomfortable should think twice [09:32] don't kick/ban on a swear word, politely warn them to try and keep it a family friendly channel. if they don't listen, quiet them for a bit [09:32] especially if it isn't aimed at anyone [09:33] If they want to be there, they have to go by the rules [09:33] nzk, "guidelines" :P [09:33] You don't go into a school and talk "like you normally do" [09:33] PriceChild: see !rules [09:33] So why should you expect to go into a civilized room and do that? [09:33] the problem is that one of the ops has that view, and is quite adament [09:34] My opinion would be a 15 min kickban with a message not to swear on the first offense [09:34] Then operator's discretion on subsequent ones [09:35] its always best to air on the cautious side of things that way you dont upset all people, either way someone isnt gonna like the rules thats why there are ops [09:35] what about if the person getting this kickban would take great offence at it? [09:35] and what counts as a swear word? i'm sure there are people that are offended by "damn" [09:35] or crap [09:35] well then that's operator discression [09:35] have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines ? [09:35] but they are in day-to-day usage by most people [09:35]