[12:37] <vzduch> for those who want to hear it: Slackware 12.0 just announced as released
[12:38] <K-Ryan> jhutchins: It's alright, I'll end up getting a new computer before I fix this one up.
[12:38] <TeraDyne> I just did something stupid. DOS level stupid...
[12:38] <K-Ryan> There's too much wrong with it
[12:38] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: You could always get a cheap case and swap the parts into it.
[12:38] <thumper-office> is there a howto somewhere for upgrading Feisty to Gusty tribe-2?
[12:39] <intelikey> vzduch oh slack one-dozen   kewl.
[12:39] <jhutchins> thumper-office: No, because Gutsy is in testing.
[12:39] <jhutchins> thumper-office: You need to clean-install it so the bugs you report are clean.
[12:39] <thumper-office> jhutchins: ok
[12:39] <jhutchins> thumper-office: Since the only reason to run Gutsy is to find and report bugs.
[12:39] <CrunchyFerrett2> hm. I dont suppose anyone knows why its throttling my CPU down to 800MHZ
[12:40] <TeraDyne> I'll probably get slack 12 later. right now, I need to get some files off my windows box. I screwed up big time.
[12:40] <jhutchins> thumper-office: When it's fairly well tested, then they'll start testing the upgrade scripts.
[12:40] <TeraDyne> "mpg321 *.mp3 -w - | oggenc -o *.ogg - && rm *.mp3"
[12:40] <isthisnickvalid_> Hey people, do you think that a PII box with 256MB of RAM can run Kubuntu? It has a 8mb nvidia.
[12:40] <Graham> What's a good video editor for Linux? I'm looking for something thatf fairly powerful, but not too complex, open or commercial
[12:40] <Graham> isthisnickvalid_: Yes.
[12:40] <intelikey> TeraDyne isn't there an mpg2ogg app ?
[12:41] <zach> Greets, everyone...
[12:41] <intelikey> or was that mp3....
[12:41] <jhutchins> Graham: Have a look at avidemux2 - not the biggest feature list, but works well.
[12:41] <intelikey> nm
[12:41] <TeraDyne> Basicly, that just took every mp3 in the directory, encoded it into a single ogg file called "*.ogg" and removed the mp3s
[12:41] <vzduch> isthisnickvalid_: 256 MB RAM is even enough to run SUSE.. whether the PII will be fast enough to have fun I don't know
[12:41] <jhutchins> Graham: There's also cinnellera (sp?).
[12:41] <TeraDyne> intelikey: Yeah, a script, but I couldn't get it to run.
[12:41] <vzduch> 8 MB gfx RAM might be a bit low, perhaps you can only run 16 bit colour depth
[12:42] <jhutchins> isthisnickvalid_: You'll want to be careful about running too much at once, but it can be done.
[12:42] <CrunchyFerrett2> !throttle
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about throttle - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <TeraDyne> ubotu can't drive. XD
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about can't drive. xd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <CrunchyFerrett2> !info throttle
[12:42] <TeraDyne> O_o;
[12:42] <K-Ryan> Heheh
[12:42] <vzduch> jhutchins: I ran SUSE 9.3 on this machine (Athlon 900) when it was still on 256 MB RAM
[12:42] <intelikey> TeraDyne yeah the mistake was the && :)   never rm until you are sure it works like you want.    i.e. it may "work" and not do what you want. as per your experiment
[12:42] <K-Ryan> Bye jhutchins
[12:43] <zach> I've borked something that is causing problems with System Settings - some of the modules are failing to load. Can someone please help?
[12:43] <ubotu> Package throttle does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:43] <CrunchyFerrett2> CPU throttling? Anyone?
[12:43] <vzduch> jhutchins: you mean horses?
[12:43] <ardchoille> ubotu: Glad you decided to join us
[12:43] <ardchoille> :)
[12:43] <K-Ryan> OH OH OH OH!
[12:43] <K-Ryan> I THINK IT'S WORKING!
[12:43] <TeraDyne> intelikey: Linux. It's a learning experience.
[12:44] <intelikey> yeah
[12:44] <K-Ryan> Well the CD is revving up
[12:44] <intelikey> Q. "what do linux users do?"
[12:44] <K-Ryan> WOOOO!
[12:44] <K-Ryan> Starting disc write
[12:44] <intelikey> A. "they install software"
[12:44] <K-Ryan> It's working! It's really working!
[12:44] <grishnak> CrunchyFerrett: i was allowed to adjust cpu speed after i made a full upgrade on feisty .. before that i couldnt touch a thing
[12:45] <zach> Can someone please help me get all my system settings modules back? I have to set up several user accounts.
[12:45] <ardchoille> lol
[12:45] <CrunchyFerrett2> I did the full upgrade.
[12:45] <CrunchyFerrett2> And now it tells me the throttle is 800mhz
[12:45] <CrunchyFerrett2> and It wont let me change it
[12:46] <K-Ryan> Alright, while I'm waiting on Knoppix...
[12:46] <K-Ryan> I've got an old computer that I took the main hard drive out of because I needed it
[12:46] <grishnak> same problem i had .. but mine went away after the upgrade .. running a 1g laptop
[12:46] <K-Ryan> That computer is a good 10 years old
[12:46] <CrunchyFerrett2> can I just disable CPU frequency scaling entirely?
[12:46] <K-Ryan> If I put a Kubuntu CD in the drive and tried to boot up, think it would work?
[12:47] <intelikey> zach ls /the/mount/point/of/your/backed/up/home | while read Q ;do useradd $Q ;echo $Q ;passwd $Q ;done     ?????
[12:47] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: damn small linux will probably run well on it.. but kubuntu would likely be too slow
[12:47] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: How much ram has it got?
[12:47] <K-Ryan> damn small linux...
[12:47] <K-Ryan> Umm, I'm not sure I think it had 256 and a 128
[12:47] <intelikey> dsl is good for what it is.
[12:48] <grishnak> CrunchyFerrett: i couldnt .. i reinstalled after a while .. and come to think it never appeared until kubuntu asked me if i wanted to upgrade .. i was running the previous version
[12:48] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: DSL: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/   if you're interested.
[12:48] <K-Ryan> Thaaaaank you
[12:48] <CrunchyFerrett2> hmm
[12:48] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: DSL requires at least 128mb ram
[12:48] <CrunchyFerrett2> I want the acpid to be running, right?
[12:48] <K-Ryan> I know it has at least that
[12:48] <TeraDyne> ardchoille: I thought they had a "light" version for older hardware?
[12:49] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: You can check out tons of distros, even live ones at: http://distrowatch.com
[12:49] <K-Ryan> *bookmark*
[12:49] <ardchoille> TeraDyne: They may have, I don't know.
[12:49] <zach> intelikey: Actually I just figured it out, but thanks anyway, much appreciated. :-)
[12:50] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: iirc, the kubuntu livecd requires at least 192mb, but I could be wrong.
[12:50] <K-Ryan> Writing successfully completed
[12:50] <zach> intelikey: I had removed kde-guidance-powermanager - I think that's what screwed it up. Just reinstalled kde-guidance and now things appear to be fine.
[12:50] <K-Ryan> =D
[12:50] <A10> Any body have experience with trying to connect to peoplepc with kppp?
[12:50] <K-Ryan> So I have to go try the cd this instant
[12:50] <zach> See ya
[12:50] <CrunchyFerrett2> great
[12:50] <K-Ryan> Be back in a little bit, I'll connect here through Knoppix when I find the IRC client
[12:50] <intelikey> ardchoille version ?
[12:50] <CrunchyFerrett2> and NOW it thinks my laptop has no battery
[12:50] <CrunchyFerrett2> perhaps a reboot is in order
[12:50] <ardchoille> intelikey: Feisty?
[12:51] <intelikey> ardchoille probably.   dapper was 128
[12:51] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[12:51] <TeraDyne> CrunchyFerrett2: You did an update?
[12:51] <CrunchyFerrett2> Yeas
[12:51] <TeraDyne> Same happened to me. You have to reboot
[12:51] <ardchoille> Dapper is nice, that is one solid release, IMHO
[12:51] <isthisnickvalid_> I downloaded fretsonfire...
[12:52] <isthisnickvalid_> and when launching it the screen freezes in another resolution
[12:52] <CrunchyFerrett2> But... but.... I thought one of the major happy points for Linux was never having to reboot :(
[12:52] <intelikey> ardchoille it's getting there....
[12:52] <isthisnickvalid_> and I cannot move the mouse
[12:52] <TeraDyne> or restart whatever app that is
[12:52] <CrunchyFerrett2> I WAS LIED TOO!
[12:52] <CrunchyFerrett2> *to
[12:52] <isthisnickvalid_> it gives an error...
[12:52] <intelikey> crunchy  who said reboot ?
[12:53] <CrunchyFerrett2> Teradyne
[12:53] <TeraDyne> intelikey: me. It's the only way I could fix the power manager problem
[12:53] <CrunchyFerrett2> hmmm
[12:53] <ardchoille> s/manager/mangler/
[12:53] <ardchoille> ;)
[12:53] <intelikey> TeraDyne sudo /etc/init.d/blah restart  ???
[12:53] <grishnak> CrunchyFerrett2: yeah :) its all a lie .. the good part is that youll never forget your password .. or at least i wont forget mine since i have to use it a minimum of 3 times pr hour :)
[12:54] <TeraDyne> intelikey: I couldn't figure out which app was the power manager
[12:54] <grishnak> Dont do it man .. new monitors for laptops costs a bundle
[12:54] <CrunchyFerrett2> I own a computer repair shop
[12:54] <CrunchyFerrett2> I have plenty of spare parts onhand
[12:54] <grishnak> :) kewl  .. *cough* i might need a few soon
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> rofl
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> Damn.
[12:55] <intelikey> TeraDyne hehhe when in doubt use the console and  for Q in /etc/rcS.d/* ;do /etc/rcS.d/$Q restart      hehhe    getem' all....
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> So I need to restart the system, but Im on the middle of a video encode.
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> Rebooting might make the encode go FASTER, but then again it might not...
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> Decisions decisions...
[12:56] <grishnak> flip a coin :)
[12:56] <intelikey> TeraDyne all joking aside, i was just kinda saying that if one knows enough about what they are trying to do, then usually a reboot can be avoided,    not always tho.
[12:56] <ardchoille> lol @ flip a coin
[12:57] <CrunchyFerrett2> ... it landed on "Reinstall XP"
[12:57] <grishnak> thats one wicked coin
[12:57] <ardchoille> Throw that coin away.. it's obviously micromoney
[12:57] <CrunchyFerrett2> ... and now it says "Get a Mac"
[12:58] <ardchoille> lol
[12:58] <CrunchyFerrett2> *dodge*
[12:58] <faidillinger> i got two monitors, an ati radeon 9250 with the open source drivers, and kubuntu. how can i extend my desktop to monitor number 2 ??
[01:01] <intelikey> !dualhead
[01:01] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[01:01] <CrunchyFerrett2> There HAS to be a way to make this thign go faster than 17fps
[01:02] <intelikey> !Xinerama
[01:02] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[01:05] <intelikey> behold !    a narg.
[01:05] <narg> eh?
[01:05] <CrunchyFerrett2> a what now/
[01:05] <intelikey> what's a narg anywy ???
[01:05] <narg> a character from a book series ;)
[01:05] <intelikey> -:- narg [n=narg@72-55-216-222.mammothnetworks.com]  has joined #kubuntu
[01:11] <hernan> saludosssss a todos/as
[01:12] <hernan> solicito ayuda
[01:12] <ardchoille> Ingles solamente en esta canel por favor
[01:12] <ardchoille> !es
[01:12] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:13] <hernan> okis
[01:13] <CrunchyFerrett2> WORK damn you
[01:14] <grishnak> i thought it was working .. only a wee bit slowly
[01:14] <CrunchyFerrett2> Different problem.
[01:15] <grishnak> hehe
[01:15] <CrunchyFerrett2> WiFi is not working
[01:16] <K-Ryan> Hey guys
[01:16] <K-Ryan> Operating from Knoppix
[01:16] <CrunchyFerrett2> Hm.
[01:16] <CrunchyFerrett2> ndiswrapper has an -a option.
[01:16] <CrunchyFerrett2> Am I supposed to use that at some point?
[01:17] <K-Ryan> It's using Kde though so I don't have a big graphical difference and I couldn't find the irc program so I stuck with irssi.
[01:17] <CrunchyFerrett2> I thought KNoppix shipped with xIRC
[01:17] <vzduch> K-Ryan: what's wrong w/ irssi?
[01:18] <ardchoille> doesn't knoppix have konversation?
[01:18] <ardchoille> tho, irssi is cool
[01:21] <CrunchyFerrett2> forgive me, but what is the command to make modprobe rescan everything?
[01:22] <crimsun_> CrunchyFerrett2: modprobe doesn't rescan.  What did you want to do?
[01:22] <crimsun_> (`sudo depmod -ae` ?)
[01:22] <CrunchyFerrett2> well, I just redid modprobe -i ndiswrapper
[01:22] <CrunchyFerrett2> now I want it to load
[01:23] <ejm> !beryl
[01:23] <crimsun_> CrunchyFerrett2: then re-execute it without -i
[01:24] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:24] <CrunchyFerrett2> "modprobe ndiswrapper" ??
[01:24] <crimsun_> CrunchyFerrett2: yes, if running the install* et al. syntaxes are intended.
[01:25] <CrunchyFerrett2> ok... did that.
[01:25] <CrunchyFerrett2> Should a new net interface appear or something?>
[01:26] <crimsun_> only if you've configured ndiswrapper appropriately [and unloaded and blacklisted the native driver, if appropriate & available] 
[01:27] <CrunchyFerrett2> I unloaded and blacklisted the bcm43xx driver
[01:27] <ejm> Hey, I've got a slight problem with my TI sd card reader on my laptop. Anyway, my laptop freezes up completely if I use it.
[01:28] <rustalot> how do I add an apt-key in KDE?
[01:28] <ejm> And I took my broadcom card out because everytime I used it, not just in linux but windows as well, it would freeze my laptop up as well.
[01:30] <jussi01> rustalot: go to adept -> manage repositories -> authentication
[01:30] <CrunchyFerrett2> then I ran "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[01:30] <CrunchyFerrett2> no new interfaces
[01:30] <CrunchyFerrett2> ifconfig shows my hardwire connection, and lo
[01:30] <CrunchyFerrett2> iwconfig says no wireless extensions on either.
[01:31] <CrunchyFerrett2> hm
[01:31] <CrunchyFerrett2> ok
[01:31] <CrunchyFerrett2> adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[01:34] <bryan> How can I get windows media player files on kubuntu?
[01:35] <ejm> !mp3
[01:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:37] <ejm> !intel
[01:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:37] <ejm> you scum bot!
[01:38] <jussi01> ejm: be nice to the bot... ;)
[01:38] <ejm> ok, if I have to.
[01:38] <jussi01> :)
[01:40] <ejm> It'd be cool if someone forked ubuntu/kubuntu, and based/combined it with gentoo. man, gentoo is fast, but kubuntu is good enough for me.
[01:42] <crash_> ok, NOW the DSL is back
[01:42] <crash_> did I miss anything?
[01:42] <greywolf> good afternoon
[01:43] <CrunchyFerrett3> crimsun did I miss anything you were telling me
[01:43] <greywolf> I'm somewhat new to linux, so pardon my stupid mistake that I'm about to relate to you
[01:45] <K-Ryan> Okay, screw Knoppix
[01:45] <K-Ryan> The Live CD was so slow I swore it froze
[01:45] <CrunchyFerrett3> ...
[01:45] <CrunchyFerrett3> Live CD's are always slow
[01:45] <K-Ryan> 3!?
[01:45] <K-Ryan> No, I mean this was ridiculous
[01:45] <CrunchyFerrett3> dsl borked
[01:45] <K-Ryan> Oh that's right, I gotta look into that one too...
[01:46] <CrunchyFerrett3> no
[01:46] <greywolf> looking for a few games to kill time with, I recently installed PlaneShift on Kubuntu 7.04, and found that Mesa v6.3.5, the OpenGL renderer, was too old for PlaneShift to work
[01:46] <CrunchyFerrett3> DSL = My Internets Tubes
[01:46] <K-Ryan> Oh
[01:46] <K-Ryan> I thought you meant damn small linux
[01:46] <CrunchyFerrett3> lol no
[01:46] <CrunchyFerrett3> Im actually downloading another Distro as we speak, and Im gonna see if it will take my WiFi card and make it usable.
[01:46] <greywolf> so I looked around for a bit and was planning on compiling the new version, 7.0.0, but then I figured I could look around for a package to make it easier
[01:47] <ejm> what card?
[01:47] <K-Ryan> greywolf: xjewel
[01:47] <CrunchyFerrett3> If so, then I know it CAN be done. Just need to figure out HOW
[01:47] <CrunchyFerrett3> Its a BCM4318 chipset
[01:47] <K-Ryan> download and enjoy it
[01:47] <ejm> lol
[01:47] <CrunchyFerrett3> because the damned 43xx drivers dont like me, and ndiswrapper wont even acknowledge my existance
[01:47] <ejm> I can't stand broadcom. Since they did whatever it was to "help" linux,
[01:47] <ejm> I took out my broadcom card.
[01:47] <greywolf> K-Ryan: ok, I'll do that in a bit :P
[01:48] <greywolf> so I looked around on the ubuntu package search site and found that Gutsy has 7.0.0 packages
[01:48] <ejm> It was freezing my pc everytime I used it anyway, whether in windows or linux.
[01:48] <CrunchyFerrett3> my NEXT step is to find the linux Synaptic TouchPad drivers, so I can disable the damned TAP function
[01:49] <CrunchyFerrett3> may as well do that now
[01:49] <greywolf> so I figured, instead of downloading the 10-odd packages and dependencies I need, I'll just add the repositories and that way it'll upgrade all the dependencies anyway
[01:49] <K-Ryan> greywolf: there's neverball too
[01:50] <ejm> there's a way to disable it.
[01:50] <greywolf> so I installed the mesa stuff, but seeing 1,100 packages just waiting to be updated (via Gutsy's repositories) was too much for me to handle (and I wanted to be on the cutting edge, too...), so I mark it all as a full upgrade and wait several hours for it to download/install
[01:50] <CrunchyFerrett3> yeah, getting the package for it now
[01:50] <ejm> I don't remember what synaptic ui I used though.
[01:51] <greywolf> unfortunately, it looks like it broke gnome about a third of the way through, and now I can't uninstall gnome or reinstall it, even after removing gutsy's repositories
[01:52] <greywolf> I tried removing .metacity, .gnome, .gnome2, and all the assorted .gnome-related directories in my home dir, and managed to get libgnome2-0 removed, but now nothing else gnome related will install or get removed
[01:52] <K-Ryan> What's BSD stand for?
[01:53] <CrunchyFerrett3> Berkley something or other
[01:53] <greywolf> Adept yells at me saying,"There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[01:53] <greywolf> at this point, I don't really care if it breaks any more packages, I just want to reinstall gnome, and clean up the collateral damage afterwards
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: use apt instead and see what errors it throws
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: those are usually a little more verbose
[01:54] <ejm> ok, is kubuntu 7.04 known as feisty? I get the names mixed up. I know that 7.10 is gutsy
[01:54] <greywolf> I did type this in the terminal: sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz-gnome
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> ejm: yes
[01:55] <greywolf> lemme paste the output somewhere really fast
[01:55] <ejm> k
[01:55] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ok
[01:56] <K-Ryan> What do you guys think is the most widely used distro?
[01:56] <ejm> gentoo
[01:56] <CrunchyFerrett3> OSX
[01:56] <greywolf> this is the output: http://rafb.net/p/4GWb0L87.html
[01:56] <CrunchyFerrett3> !touchpad
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchpad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <hitmanWilly> CrunchyFerrett3: nah, OSX is BSD :)
[01:56] <CrunchyFerrett3> !tap
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <hitmanWilly> CrunchyFerrett3: i don't think that counts as a distro
[01:57] <CrunchyFerrett3> !TURNOFFTHEDAMNEDTAPONTHETOUCHPAD
[01:57] <ejm> gentoo and ubuntu combined--wow! talk about speed and stability.
[01:58] <ejm> but the developers would argue about every little thing that most people don't care about, not that that's bad.
[01:58] <hitmanWilly> ejm: i use both myself, on different machines
[01:59] <ejm> my problem with gentoo is getting the useflags or whatever they are set right.
[01:59] <ejm> and the installer quits on me 1/2 through.
[01:59] <hitmanWilly> ejm: bah, the gentoo installer sux, use the guide on gentoo.org and do it by hand
[01:59] <ejm> yeah
[02:00] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, BSD stands for "Berkeley Software Distribution"
[02:00] <K-Ryan> Any relation to BSOD?
[02:00] <K-Ryan> =)
[02:00] <ejm> And I don't like having my cpu temp. shoot up to 74 degrees C in 2 seconds.
[02:01] <greywolf> ok I just ran this: sudo apt-get -f install, and it spat this out at me: http://rafb.net/p/sEMfrA92.html
[02:01] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: actually, BSD is probably the most stable OS out there once its set up right
[02:01] <greywolf> it looks like the same problem
[02:01] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Just kidding around ;)
[02:01] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: did you remove ubuntu-desktop?
[02:02] <greywolf> not yet
[02:02] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, it's unix based like linux, but BSD is what you get when a bunch of Unix hackers sit down to try to port a Unix system to the PC. Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC.... this a quote from The BSD site: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php
[02:02] <ejm> anyway, supper is ready, and the food is waiting. see you all in an hour or so.
[02:02] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: but you probably removed something it depends on, cuz it wants to remove it
[02:03] <Xbehave> ive installed java 5 and java 6 but a program is telling me i need to update?
[02:03] <greywolf> is there anything I can do besides a reinstall?
[02:03] <greywolf> (of the OS)
[02:04] <BluesKaj> yeah hitmanWilly , the qualifier is : once you get it set up right ...setting it up is pretty daunting
[02:04] <greywolf> wait
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:04] <greywolf> yeah I did removeit
[02:04] <greywolf> *remove it
[02:04] <greywolf> I just double-checked in adept
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj: not for a gentoo junkie :P
[02:04] <BluesKaj> ahhh, have you run BSD , hitmanWilly ?
[02:05] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj: played around a little, but nothing serious, tho
[02:05] <CrunchyFerrett3> well. ksynaptics doesnt seem to want to work either.
[02:05] <CrunchyFerrett3> Someone remind me why I'm experimenting with Linux again?
[02:05] <greywolf> it spat this at me: http://rafb.net/p/ERk7v972.html
[02:05] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj: but that was just in a VM :)
[02:07] <Xbehave> because its free and you cant experiment with windows (well not legally easily and cheaply)
[02:08] <fyrmedic> how do I skip the automatic fsck during boot? And if I can't how do I fix read errors on hda1?
[02:09] <CrunchyFerrett3> Xbehave: dont suppose I can argue with that.
[02:09] <CrunchyFerrett3> WiFi and the Touch pad... those get fixed and I will sing Linux's praises.
[02:09] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: is your system up to date?
[02:10] <greywolf> yeah, it should be
[02:10] <greywolf> it's 7.04
[02:10] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ah, wait, i see...i think it has something to do with the gnome packages being slated for removal
[02:11] <greywolf> yeah, they don't want to reinstall
[02:11] <K-Ryan> I can run DSL in Kubuntu?
[02:11] <Xbehave> CrunchyFerrett3: you running fiesty? thats got the best wifi support
[02:11] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ok, do you mind reinstalling gnome altogether? or do you want to go the KDE or XFCE route?
[02:12] <Dusk_> K-Ryan: DSL?
[02:12] <Dusk_> K-Ryan: of course
[02:12] <greywolf> I *want* to reinstall gnome :P
[02:12] <greywolf> I'm on KDE now
[02:12] <K-Ryan> Cool, how? =)
[02:12] <greywolf> I don't care about XFCE
[02:12] <Xbehave> but yes wifi does suck in linux it can be hard work if you dont have correct hardware (ofc once your running linux its not too hard to get the right hardware)
[02:13] <Dusk_> ethernet or usb modem?
[02:13] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ok, try this, sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop (you've done this already, correct?)
[02:13] <voidmage> you know that just removes the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, right?
[02:13] <greywolf> yeah, ubuntu-desktop is gone
[02:14] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ok, sudo apt-get autoremove will remove everything that ubuntu-desktop depends on...namely, gnome and associated utils
[02:14] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: don't worry, you can reinstall them later and it should preserve most of your configs
[02:15] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: unless you --purge
[02:16] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: how do you want to reinstall? you can do either ubuntu-desktop, which brings all kind of cruft with it, or you can do individual packages (ie gnome, evolution) seperately
[02:17] <greywolf> I'll try the easiest way first :P
[02:17] <greywolf> although I don't think the ubuntu-desktop way will work
[02:17] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: give it a shot anyway
[02:18] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: or don't, its up to you :)
[02:18] <greywolf> heh, I will
[02:18] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: let me know if that fixes the problem
[02:19] <greywolf> ok
[02:22] <abaridginay> wow
[02:24] <greywolf> gah this is so frustrating
[02:25] <greywolf> :\
[02:25] <K-Ryan> You should try finding the right .iso for DSL...
[02:26] <greywolf> can I force a removal of a package somehow?
[02:29] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: apt-get --force remove should do it
[02:29] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: or something like that
[02:29] <Xbehave> ive installed java 1.5 and java 1.6 but a program is telling me i need to update?, how do i fix this?
[02:30] <hitmanWilly> brb
[02:32] <jhutchins> greywolf: Given how much work it's been so far, how attractive has a clean reinstall become?
[02:47] <linux_> ow como que instalo mp3 sem apt-get???????
[02:48] <linux_> alguem me ajuda!!
[02:48] <jhutchins> !pt | linux_
[02:48] <ubotu> linux_: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[02:48] <linux_> tenho proxi aqui e nao tenho como instalar por console
[02:49] <linux_> vlw
[02:49] <jhutchins> !mp3 | linux_
[02:49] <ubotu> linux_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:49] <jhutchins> ...all in English, I'm afraid.
[02:50] <jhutchins> Still, you can run them through babelfish.
[03:04] <raymond> I'm trying to use theme manager but it says i need to use administrator privleges yet there is no button for it
[03:04] <raymond> how do i get into administrator mode?
[03:06] <wsjunior> raymond: which theme manager?
[03:06] <wsjunior> raymond: just open kcontrol and go to appearance & themes and then select theme manager
[03:07] <raymond> kdm theme. i did that but it wont let me make changes
[03:07] <wsjunior> uh that's different :-)
[03:07] <raymond> says i have to click the adminstator button which doesnt exist
[03:07] <wsjunior> alt+f2 and then type kdmtheme
[03:07] <wsjunior> there will be a button to be clicked ;-D
[03:08] <raymond> ah there it is
[03:08] <raymond> thanks
[03:08] <wsjunior> np
[03:08] <wsjunior> ;-D
[03:09] <K-Ryan> I'm baaaaaaaack =)
[03:10] <K-Ryan> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html
[03:10] <K-Ryan> Think it's worth it?
[03:13] <K-Ryan> No input? Ah, too bad.
[03:15] <KevInAlaska> anyone know a reason that 'Beryl' would not load up more then just an icon for a few seconds on initial starting of it then nothing...?
[03:15] <K-Ryan> Try opening it in the terminal
[03:16] <KevInAlaska> really terminal?  okay I will try it.
[03:16] <K-Ryan> If that doesn't fix it, it should give more feedback as to what is going wrong
[03:16] <K-Ryan> Just type in "beryl"
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> well it worked and it didnt work.  In terminal it read (Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> Root visual is not a GL visual
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> beryl: Root visual is not a GL visual
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> beryl: Failed to manage screen: 0
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> beryl: No manageable screens found on display :0)
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> whoops.. didnt mean all the seperate lines.
[03:20] <K-Ryan> It does it when you paste stuff in
[03:20] <K-Ryan> Careful with that, you should really use pastebin
[03:20] <K-Ryan> If you had one more line the bot probably would of kicked you =P
[03:21] <KevInAlaska> yeah... I forgot about pastebin... is it still bugged?
[03:21] <K-Ryan> You might want to try the #ubuntu-effects
[03:21] <K-Ryan> Bugged?
[03:22] <K-Ryan> Anyone know how to run Damn Small Linux under Kubuntu>
[03:22] <K-Ryan> ?
[03:22] <KevInAlaska> yeah.. it used to give me a kind of white screen (via HTML) that read some error message
[03:22] <K-Ryan> Strange
[03:22] <K-Ryan> paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Err, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:23] <KevInAlaska> I would have to back up the page then click on my pastebin posting that shows up in the upper left corner fo the screen, at that point I could copy the address at the top to paste in here.
[03:23] <KevInAlaska> I will try that one.
[03:24] <KevInAlaska> is 'GLX' something that is a apt-get thing to load?
[03:24] <K-Ryan> I don't think so
[03:24] <K-Ryan> I don't remember getting it
[03:24] <K-Ryan> You setup Fglrx and Xgl?
[03:24] <KevInAlaska> dependency?
[03:25] <K-Ryan> I'm assuming you have Ati
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Do you?
[03:25] <KevInAlaska> nVidia 6800 GT
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Oh, that's strange...
[03:25] <K-Ryan> I never had any problems with my Nvidia
[03:25] <K-Ryan> You got the drivers for it though right?
[03:26] <KevInAlaska> yep.
[03:26] <K-Ryan> Try this
[03:26] <K-Ryan> sudo apt-get remove beryl beryl-manager && sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager
[03:26] <KevInAlaska> used Envy like I did last time.  I did a reinstall two days ago and the last install envy and beryl worked flawlessly
[03:26] <KevInAlaska> okay.. one sec
[03:27] <K-Ryan> Yeah that might take a minute or two depending on how fast your internet connection is
[03:27] <KevInAlaska> done
[03:27] <K-Ryan> Try
[03:28] <KevInAlaska> okay beryl red diamond is jumpping on my pointer and berly manager program on the bar was there and then 20 seconds about .. its gone
[03:29] <K-Ryan> Try "beryl-manager" in the terminal
[03:29] <defcon> what are some good ways to optimize memory consumption in ubuntu, my ubuntu often freezes and wont open apps
[03:29] <KevInAlaska> when I did the terminal it did load it up but didnt work.  I would get the red diamond down there with the options and the configure window if needed but nothing seemed to come of the difference choices I have tried.
[03:29] <KevInAlaska> trying the terminal load again
[03:29] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[03:30] <KevInAlaska> trying something and will have to sever the irc.. brb
[03:31] <posingaspopular> here's a question for the room. i have to boot into a windows partition to look at some files. when i try to boot the win partition,it wont start. is there anyway i can boot open a virtual machine and trick the computer into opening the win partition in kubuntu?
[03:32] <K-Ryan> You can mount the drive and look at it in Kubuntu
[03:32] <K-Ryan> There are ways to setup read-write for ntfs but it's not recommended.
[03:32] <posingaspopular> K-Ryan: i dont need to mount the drive, i need to look at the actual OS
[03:32] <K-Ryan> And you can run Windows in some program
[03:32] <K-Ryan> Ah
[03:33] <K-Ryan> Not sure what program it was or how to do it though, sorry
[03:34] <posingaspopular> im just going to try it and see what happens. thanks K-Ryan
[03:34] <K-Ryan> Any luck KevinAlaska?
[03:34] <K-Ryan> No problem posingaspopular
[03:35] <KevInAlaska> no luck.
[03:35] <defcon> what are some good ways to optimize memory consumption in ubuntu, my ubuntu often freezes and wont open apps?
[03:36] <K-Ryan> KevInAlaska: You have restarted since installing the drivers and the Nvidia splash screen shows up before the login screen right?
[03:36] <jay_> hey guys, i have a question..... i am running ubuntu on a imac g3 ppc and i have to set the depth to 8 in order to see a viewable but still fuzzy screen, anyone know of a good fix for this ?
[03:37] <KevInAlaska> sorry I could not type after trying "beryl" from CLI
[03:38] <K-Ryan> It's alright
[03:38] <KevInAlaska> I had to control + alt + backspace
[03:38] <K-Ryan> When you did that, you got the Nvidia pop up screen right?
[03:38] <KevInAlaska> so one of two things happen when I load it.
[03:39] <KevInAlaska> not when I control alt backspace... but when I load from reboot or cold boot
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Okay
[03:39] <K-Ryan> So your drivers are functioning
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Have you tried #ubuntu-effects ?
[03:39] <KevInAlaska> 1) tries to load then nothing or it kind of loads with the red diamond and and I can bring up options but nothing beyond that.
[03:39] <KevInAlaska> no.. I will now.. going to load up that chat
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Oh hold on
[03:40] <K-Ryan> You get the icon in the tray?
[03:40] <K-Ryan> Right click it, go to window manager and click Beryl
[03:40] <K-Ryan> Instead of Kwin
[03:42] <posingaspopular> defcon: you could try using xfce as your desktop enviornment
[03:42] <posingaspopular> it's very lightweight. used alot in laptops and old computers
[03:44] <defcon> im running gnome, that is pretty lightweight
[03:44] <defcon> im running a dual 3 ghz
[03:44] <KevInAlaska> oops.. sorry K-Ryan I had already joined the other channel and missed your "Oh hold on" :)
[03:44] <defcon> only thing lacking is ram and video card
[03:44] <K-Ryan> It's okay KevInAlaska, try it though
[03:45] <pwilson_> hi folk, could i get some help installing openGL? wine is telling me i don't have any opengl extention, running fiesty
[03:46] <K-Ryan> pwilson_: What kind of video card? Ati? Nvidia?
[03:46] <pwilson_> ati m300
[03:46] <K-Ryan> m300?
[03:46] <K-Ryan> Never heard of that model
[03:46] <zibrah3ed> probably an older compaq
[03:46] <K-Ryan> You can try your luck with...
[03:46] <K-Ryan> !ati
[03:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:47] <pwilson_> from lspci ---   ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Radeon Mobility M300] 
[03:48] <pwilson_> well, that just it, the ati driver is installed and working, but wine is saying it can't find the extentions
[03:48] <pwilson_> for open gl
[03:48] <K-Ryan> Hmm
[03:48] <K-Ryan> You setup Fglrx and Xgl?
[03:48] <jay_> anyone here know anything about getting ubuntu on a newworld imac g3 ? the screen is screwed up, i've tried a variety of things in the xorg.conf file
[03:48] <zibrah3ed> are you sure the ati driver is loaded
[03:48] <pwilson_> I've checked the xorg.conf, ati is the driver its loading.
[03:49] <pwilson_> and it works fine
[03:49] <pwilson_> I can't get the beryl window manager to work either, it just crashes and reverts to default.
[03:50] <pwilson_> here is the error wine is throwing.
[03:50] <KevInAlaska> I had to control alt backspace again
[03:50] <K-Ryan> No luck KevInAlaska?
[03:50] <KevInAlaska> tried to get the diamond up again.
[03:50] <K-Ryan> I'm out of ideas, try the other channel for now
[03:50] <K-Ryan> Sorry
[03:50] <pwilson_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28281/
[03:51] <KevInAlaska> no worries.. you have been more then helpful.  might I ask what your statement was on clicking on the icon first?
[03:52] <K-Ryan> The icon popped up in that icon tray on your taskbar right?
[03:52] <pwilson_> Any recomendations?
[03:52] <jay_> damn you guys are no help, you guys suck cock i'm out of here bitches
[03:52] <K-Ryan> -.-
[03:53] <pwilson_> lol
[03:53] <K-Ryan> Some people...
[03:53] <zibrah3ed> jay wonderful way to get help
[03:53] <zibrah3ed> I'm sure i'll try to never help you
[03:54] <zibrah3ed> pwilson_ I had the same graphics card on my old compaq and I never got it to work
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> was that a troll?
[03:54] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Don't know, what did he ask?
[03:54] <intelikey> troll ?   surely not !
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: jay earlier
[03:54] <pwilson_> Well, thats just it, it does work, i'm just having this specific problems.
[03:54] <zibrah3ed> newworld imac screen screwed up
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> just got back and heard the 'you guys are no help' thing from jay
[03:55] <K-Ryan> pwilson_ I took a look and nothing that I would recognize was there, sorry
[03:55] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Nobody could help him so he just assumed we were ignoring him
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> ah, k
[03:55] <intelikey> hitmanWilly me too.   but is that one of those places where we shouldn't assume malus ?
[03:55] <pwilson_> Thanks for looking ryan.
[03:56] <K-Ryan> Sorry I couldn't help pwilson_ =P
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: probably....
[03:56] <K-Ryan> Anyone know why K3b would refuse to burn me an .iso?
[03:56] <K-Ryan> I did one before, and now it's not working again
[03:56] <K-Ryan> Tried SAO, DAO, and TAO
[03:56] <K-Ryan> Each one told me to use one of the others
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: could be a drive issue
[03:57] <K-Ryan> But it did work before
[03:57] <intelikey> or group issue
[03:57] <K-Ryan> It didn't work for Feather Linux, then worked for Knoppix, and now won't work for Damn Small Linux
[03:57] <intelikey> anything that might have changed the groups you are in K-Ryan ?   or the permissions in /dev ?
[03:57] <K-Ryan> intelikey: Nothing should have done that
[03:57] <K-Ryan> I haven't even screwed around with my system today
[03:58] <pwilson_> To recap for those who just came in, Winde can't find my openGL extentions, vid card is an ATI m22, ati is listed as driver in xorg.conf, wine error is here--->  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28281/  Also, beryl crashes.
[03:58] <K-Ryan> By the way, for some reason when I select the DSL .iso it says Volume Id: KNOPPIX
[03:58] <pwilson_> But 3d screen savers render fine.
[03:58] <intelikey> !ati | pwilson_ not that you don't already know this but:
[03:58] <ubotu> pwilson_ not that you don't already know this but:: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:58] <zibrah3ed> K-ryan thats normal
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: i think DSL is originally based off of knoppix
[03:59] <K-Ryan> Just making sure that something didn't go wrong
[03:59] <zibrah3ed> it is
[03:59] <K-Ryan> Because Knoppix is the last Iso I made
[03:59] <pwilson_> Ati driver is already installed. :(
[03:59] <K-Ryan> Yeah his drivers seem to be in order
[04:00] <K-Ryan> =)
[04:00] <zibrah3ed> semantics
[04:00] <pwilson_> I'll try reinstalling from the non-free binary
[04:01] <zibrah3ed> Pwilson check out http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[04:02] <defcon> quick question, will apt-get remove beagle remove beagle search, search database files and all beagle stored information or is there another command argument for that?
[04:02] <K-Ryan> I'm trying to simulate the SAO thing now, and it's been nearly 2 minutes and I've got nothing
[04:04] <K-Ryan> Almost 3 and a half minutes, still nothing =(
[04:04] <K-Ryan> 3:28
[04:04] <K-Ryan> Sending CUE sheet
[04:04] <K-Ryan> Unable to send CUE sheet
[04:04] <K-Ryan> What's that mean?
[04:05] <K-Ryan> !CUE
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <K-Ryan> =(
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: you might try in #k3b or something
[04:06] <K-Ryan> That's a channel?
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> i dunno, probably
[04:06] <zibrah3ed> Cue sheet (computing), a text file that details the layout of tracks on a compact disc
[04:07] <K-Ryan> It's empty =(
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> they have a channel for pretty much everything else here :P
[04:07] <K-Ryan> This is such a PITA
[04:07] <K-Ryan> What makes it worse, a perfectly fine CD burner is no more than 3 feet behind me
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: how does it set up permissions for the drive?
[04:08] <K-Ryan> But the whole damn computer is being hogged by my brother who plays games and that's all his life consists of
[04:08] <K-Ryan> Now he's addicted to Maple Story -.-
[04:08] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: No idea
[04:09] <zibrah3ed> I know this is dumb but have you tried to start k3b as root
[04:09] <euphoria> hi everyone does anyb ody know ow i can get drivers for the4 dialup modem in my toshiba satellite a100 laptop, i believe teh modem is integrated into the soundcard ?
[04:09] <K-Ryan> I haven't, should I?
[04:09] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: actually, see if you're in the media or dvd or whatever group your distro uses
[04:09] <zibrah3ed> It would determine whether its hw or permissions
[04:09] <K-Ryan> I'm using Kubuntu fyi
[04:09] <zibrah3ed> root is root
[04:10] <K-Ryan> Directed at hitmanWIlly ;)
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: well, you were talking about Knoppix and DSL earlier, so I wasn't sure :P
[04:10] <K-Ryan> Yeah sorry for the confusion =P
[04:11] <K-Ryan> I'm trying to burn DSL
[04:11] <K-Ryan> I was burning Knoppix before
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> anyway, try it with kdesu, see if that works
[04:12] <K-Ryan> Why does anything that gets run as root from terminal use the default theme?
[04:12] <intelikey> i don't know about k3b but xcdroast wont work until you run it one time as root so it can setup the system config
[04:12] <zibrah3ed> Because that is theme set for the root accou nt
[04:12] <K-Ryan> I'll have to change that =)
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: its cause your chosen theme is just for your acct
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: its actually a good idea in case you forget that its a root app running
[04:13] <Daisuke_Ido> nice side effect is that you KNOW at a glance if something's running as root
[04:13] <K-Ryan> Oh
[04:13] <K-Ryan> It's not that different from my current one
[04:13] <K-Ryan> It's just slightly brighter
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: or at least set it to something different than you normally use
[04:14] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: I planned on it
[04:14] <K-Ryan> =)
[04:14] <K-Ryan> Almost 2:30 and nothing has happened yet
[04:14] <admin___> quien habla espaol?
[04:14] <K-Ryan> !es
[04:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: may be HW issues then
[04:14] <K-Ryan> It worked before
[04:14] <K-Ryan> Wait a second!
[04:14] <roggers> ok gracias
[04:14] <K-Ryan> He's off his computer! Quick!
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: sometimes a drive will half work for a while before it goes completely kaput
[04:15] <K-Ryan> Strange
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: or it could be the ribbon cable, or it could even be the IDE controller on the mobo
[04:16] <K-Ryan> What could be wrong with the ribbon cable?
[04:16] <intelikey> ide  heh
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: could have come loose, got caught in a fan and damaged, the possibilities are endless :P
[04:17] <intelikey> endless ?
[04:17] <K-Ryan> Mmm, I'll have to open it back up again I suppose
[04:17] <K-Ryan> The computer, not the cable...
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: well, not literally, but you get the drift
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> theres a lot of potential HW failure points is what im trying to say
[04:18] <intelikey> the possabilites are three for a malfunctioning cable   1, open circut  2, short circut  3, high resistance
[04:18] <zibrah3ed> 4. mice
[04:18] <intelikey> falls under 1 and 3
[04:19] <intelikey> err 2
[04:19] <zibrah3ed> lol
[04:19] <K-Ryan> Yeah I guess you're right about that...
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i was drifting more towards the practical end of the spectrum, as in what caused one of the three above mentioned issues
[04:20] <pwilson_> Stupid question, could someone tell me where to find the resticted package manager in KDE once installed? fiesty.
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> add/remove programs...  not the same thing, but video drivers are in there, i believe
[04:21] <pwilson_> It says they are already installed, I need to manage them.
[04:21] <intelikey> pwilson_ you can always launch things from the konsole if you don't see a menu itom
[04:21] <pwilson_> what would the comand be in console?
[04:21] <pwilson_> lol
[04:21] <intelikey> open a konsole and start with rest[tab] [tab] 
[04:21] <intelikey> use the tab key luke.
[04:22] <pwilson_> I've got a long way to go, I've finally deleted my vista partition, so I'm not going back, but its an uphill struggle for someone who has been using dos/win for 20 years.
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll be fine
[04:23] <pwilson_> Lol, not if I can't find something as simple as a package manager.
[04:23] <intelikey> pwilson_ yes it is.  you didn't learn dos/windows in a day so don't expect to master linux in a day...
[04:23] <K-Ryan> pwilson_: You don't have Adept or Synaptic?
[04:23] <K-Ryan> Try sudo apt-get install kubuntu_desktop
[04:23] <K-Ryan> err kubuntu-desktop
[04:24] <intelikey> K-Ryan he means the "restricted package manager" from the ubuntu side of things
[04:24] <K-Ryan> or was it kubuntu-minimal?
[04:24] <pwilson_> I do, have adept.
[04:24] <K-Ryan> Oh that thing, yeah I never found that thing either
[04:24] <pwilson_> How hard would it be to go to gnome? from a fresh kubuntu install?
[04:25] <K-Ryan> Not hard, you just install the right stuff and click "Gnome" instead of "Kde" when you log in
[04:25] <K-Ryan> If I'm not mistaken
[04:25] <afaith> hello my fellow mates!
[04:25] <intelikey> pwilson_ install "gnome"  and logout/log into gnome
[04:25] <zibrah3ed> pwilson_ "restricted-manager"
[04:25] <afaith> i've got a problem and i don't know what to do
[04:26] <afaith> if i reboot my default route is set from ppp0 to eth0
[04:26] <K-Ryan> brb
[04:26] <afaith> and i cannot access the internet
[04:26] <pwilson_> Will everything be set up in gnome as if it were a fresh ubuntu install?
[04:26] <zibrah3ed> pwilson_ yes
[04:26] <afaith> only if i delete that route manually and i set it again
[04:26] <pwilson_> WOOT, found the restricted manager.
[04:26] <afaith> for the pppo device
[04:26] <pwilson_> thanks for the console tip.
[04:26] <afaith> can anyone give me a helping hand please ?
[04:26] <zibrah3ed> np
[04:26] <pwilson_> TAB rocks in the console, I feel much better.
[04:27] <intelikey> pwilson_ no that would require installing ubuntu-desktop   but there may be issues when you have both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed   some of the defaults may not be what you expect.
[04:27] <intelikey> pwilson_ yeah it do.  :)
[04:28] <illriginal> Does anyone know about ventrilo?
[04:28] <afaith> no one is willing to give me a helping hand ?
[04:28] <intelikey> illriginal it's usually more productive to simply describe the issue you are having than to ask if anyone knows about blah
[04:29] <pwilson_> ack, im 800 megs into a 3gig file download, and kde wants to restart.
[04:29] <pwilson_> lol
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> pwilson_: then wait until you're done, this isn't windows :P
[04:30] <intelikey> afaith my answer probably wouldn't be what you are looking for but: "i would put the commands you issue to streighten the thing out in a script and call it from /etc/rc.local
[04:30] <intelikey> "
[04:30] <illriginal> intelikey, i wanna get a program that's for mac and windows to work on linux, i haven't downloaded it yet.
[04:30] <illriginal> http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php
[04:30] <afaith> intelikey: i've already done that, same problem
[04:30] <scott__> Hello
[04:31] <intelikey> illriginal and you want to know how hard/easy it is to get it working... ?
[04:31] <intelikey> afaith may i see what you have done ?
[04:31] <illriginal> intelikey, i dunno if crossoffice or wine will be good enough :x
[04:31] <afaith> intelikey: of course
[04:31] <afaith> intelikey: route del -net 0.0.0.0
[04:31] <scott__> I am configuring a new system and mistakenly dropped myself from the admin group using usermod
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> illriginal: check the wine app database
[04:32] <afaith> intelikey: route add default gw 86.34.219.254
[04:32] <scott__> now I can no longer sudo
[04:32] <zibrah3ed> Illriginal wine db rates ventrilo as silver, not going to be real stable
[04:32] <scott__> I was the only sudo-allowed user
[04:32] <scott__> is there any way out of this?
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> scott__: reboot into a recovery console
[04:32] <illriginal> zibrah3ed, is it better that i use cross office?
[04:32] <intelikey> scott__ one soultion.  reboot to single user mode and fix it.
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> scott__: that runs with root perms
[04:33] <scott__> thank you!
[04:33] <zibrah3ed> illriginal i have never personallhy used cross over office so i don't know
[04:33] <illriginal> ok zibrah3ead :P
[04:34] <intelikey> afaith ok but what about an "ifconfig ppp0 <ip> "   would that not do what you need ?   (intelikey is network illiterater)
[04:35] <intelikey>   <<<<---- don't listen to him on network things....
[04:35] <afaith> the ip of ppp0 is from a dhcp server
[04:36] <afaith> do you think i should kill pppd can try to recall it in /etc/rc.local ?
[04:36] <zibrah3ed> illriginal it seems some have had luck running it on cedega
[04:36] <CrunchyFerrett> sigh
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> afaith: could you restart dhcpd, see if that works?
[04:36] <CrunchyFerrett> How can I tell if ndiswrapper is actually doing anything?
[04:36] <intelikey> oh    define it in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:37] <intelikey> CrunchyFerrett lsmod will list the modules inserted
[04:37] <afaith> hitmanWilly: i can't it isn't my dhcp server
[04:37] <afaith> intelikey: thanks for the tip, let's try
[04:37] <CrunchyFerrett> lsmod's output is longer than I can scroll back :P
[04:37] <intelikey> ?
[04:38] <intelikey> really ?
[04:38] <intelikey> well pipe it into  less
[04:38] <intelikey> lsmod | less
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> CrunchyFerrett: that's normal with a buntu box, try | less
[04:38] <afaith> intelikey: there is no reference to ppp0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:38] <illriginal> zibrah3ad yeah i got it runnin :P
[04:38] <illriginal> looks good so far
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> afaith: that means it should default to dhcp
[04:38] <zibrah3ed> good
[04:38] <intelikey> afaith yeah that's what i was saying, i think you need to make one
[04:39] <afaith> oh... and what should i type there ?
[04:39] <afaith> i'm not a linux guru :(
[04:39] <intelikey> hitmanWilly help afaith get that ppp0 streightened out
[04:39] <CrunchyFerrett> well
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> afaith: what exactly is the issue again?
[04:40] <CrunchyFerrett> bcm43xx isn't loaded. ndiswrapper IS loaded. Still no additional network interfaces.
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> afaith: it won't connect?
[04:40] <CrunchyFerrett> and Im not going to sleep until this works!!
[04:40] <intelikey> hitmanWilly problem is startup sets eth0 as the default network connection and he needs ppp0
[04:40] <afaith> if i reboot my default route is set from ppp0 to eth0 and i cannot access the internet only if i delete that route manually and i set it again
[04:41] <intelikey> so can't he do that in /etc/network/interfaces  ???          <i don't know how or i'd have already said>
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: nah, needs to edit the init script
[04:42] <intelikey> that i can do  :)
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> interfaces just list how the individual devices connect ie dhcp or static at such and such address
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> hold on a sec while i look something up
[04:44] <intelikey> !patience | afaith
[04:44] <ubotu> afaith: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:45] <afaith> intelikey: i'm more than patience even if i've got only 30 minutes to solve this ... i'm going to a nearby resort and i have to reboot my pc now, to take it to another room
[04:45] <afaith> so ... it's now or never
[04:47] <intelikey> yep that's patient  :)
[04:48] <afaith> 20 tigars helped me :P
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> still looking....
[04:50] <afaith> thanks .. if you could help me to solve this tremendous problem i would be more than grateful
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> afaith: ok, intelikey may have been right with the interfaces file, was thinking something else
[04:51] <afaith> so, what should i type in that interfaces file ?
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> afaith: does /etc/network/interfaces have any reference to ppp0?
[04:51] <afaith> i ave no clue...
[04:52] <afaith> hitmanWilly: no, there is no trace of ppp0 in interfaces
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> afaith: ok, you'll probably need to get the actual config options from intelikey, never used dial-up in nix
[04:53] <afaith> it's not dial up, it's pppoe
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> afaith: always on?
[04:53] <afaith> yep
[04:53] <intelikey> should be just like eth  <afaik>
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> afaith: ok, i got it then, try adding this to /etc/network/interfaces:
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> auto ppp0
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> iface ppp0 inet dhcp
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> those are two seperate lines
[04:54] <afaith> ok, let me try :P
[04:54] <intelikey> afaith you have to edit that as root.   kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[04:54] <afaith> i know :P
[04:54] <afaith> i prefer joe :D
[04:55] <intelikey> vi clone user
[04:55] <intelikey> :)
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> i don't think it matters, but you may want to put that immediately after the lo interface definition
[04:55] <CrunchyFerrett> *SCREAM*
[04:56] <afaith> rebooting now
[04:56] <intelikey> i tried to use screem one time...  didn't like it.
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> afaiyou don't have to
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> crap...
[04:56] <intelikey> he said he had too whether it was fixed or not  ^^^
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> i was just going to have him restart the network
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> oh well, that'll work too
[04:57] <CrunchyFerrett> well..
[04:57] <CrunchyFerrett> here's somethign new I suppose
[04:57] <marcelol> Hello folks
 intelikey: i'm more than patience even if i've got only 30 minutes to solve this ... i'm going to a nearby resort and i have to reboot my pc now, to take it to another room <<<<<
[04:57] <marcelol> Anyone have any success with "nvidia-settings" ?
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> oh, that must have been when i was looking at my buntu box :)
[04:57] <intelikey> yep
[04:58] <CrunchyFerrett> lsmod tells me that ndiswrapper is loaded, but it has a 0 in the "used by" column
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> networking setup is one thing ive noticed that changes distro to distro
[04:58] <marcelol> intellikey : You ?
[04:59] <intelikey> marcelol ! i    my nvidia card is not even supported... sorry
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: what is the problem with it?
[04:59] <marcelol> nvidia-glx detects resolution by default at 1024x768 ( even though 1680x1050 is supported ...I'm running in that now, because nvidia-settings switched modes )..
[05:00] <marcelol> however, when I try to get nvidia-settings to save it's settings back to xorg.conf...it says it can't write to it..
[05:00] <marcelol> I tried running nvidia-settings through kdesu...and nada
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, two ways of doing this, you want easy or hard?
[05:01] <marcelol> it'll say "Error : failed to generate and X config file
[05:01] <marcelol> hitmanWilly: Easy.....please
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, open a terminal
[05:01] <marcelol> done
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: now, cd to .kde/Autostart
[05:02] <marcelol> done
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: nano startup.sh
[05:02] <marcelol> done
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: add these lines:
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> #!/bin/sh
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> nvidia-settings --load-config-only
[05:03] <marcelol> done
[05:03] <marcelol> the : nvidia..etc..etc....on the same line, or another line ?
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> second line
[05:03] <marcelol> done
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: save and exit nano
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> ctrl-x
[05:04] <marcelol> done
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: chmod +x startup.sh
[05:04] <intelikey> that's ./.kde/Autostart/startup.sh
[05:04] <marcelol> done
[05:04] <marcelol> yup
[05:05] <Lunar_Lamp> !beryl
[05:05] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:05] <marcelol> uh....wait
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: he's in .kde/Autostart
[05:05] <marcelol> it's   ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:05] <intelikey> yeah
[05:05] <marcelol> ok...done
[05:05] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i missed the cd  sorry.
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, now anytime you restart kde it should load your settings from nvidia-settings
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, part two...
[05:06] <marcelol> ready
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.config
[05:07] <marcelol> still in .kde/Autostart
[05:07] <marcelol> ahh..ok
[05:07] <marcelol> .config or .conf ?
[05:07] <intelikey> xorg.config ?  not  xorg.conf ?
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> yeah, sorry
[05:07] <marcelol> ok...done
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> ok, scroll down to where you see all the resolution settings
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> should be at the very bottom
[05:08] <marcelol> done
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: you see the various blocks for different color depths?
[05:10] <marcelol> yeah
[05:10] <marcelol> none of them have the res that this screen really supports
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: there should be long lines of res settings in quotes, add "1680x1050" to the beginning of each of those lists
[05:10] <intelikey> write it in
[05:11] <intelikey> each or at least the default depth
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: or whatever res you want to use
[05:11] <marcelol> done, added them
[05:12] <chrisjs169>  I can't seem to play DVDs on Kubuntu - I get the following (Includes error from kaffeine, as well as from /var/log/messages): http://pastebin.ca/600473
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, save and exit
[05:12] <marcelol> done
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: now, the next time you restart X it should default to the desired res
[05:12] <CrunchyFerrett> chris, I had that same problem.
[05:12] <marcelol> ok...
[05:12] <marcelol> brb...let me give it a shot
[05:12] <intelikey> !dvd | chrisjs169
[05:12] <ubotu> chrisjs169: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:12] <CrunchyFerrett> You need to download and install the libdvdcss2 thing
[05:13] <chrisjs169> it's already installed
[05:13] <chrisjs169> i even tried upgrading it today
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: yeah, w3m gives me the same thing
[05:14] <intelikey> me too
[05:14] <CrunchyFerrett> installed libdvd3 ?
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: apparently, ubuntu is for gui types only :P
[05:14] <intelikey> :)
[05:14] <CrunchyFerrett> er libdvdread3
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> at least the gentoo sites work in console browsers...
[05:15] <chrisjs169> CrunchyFerrett: IIRC - checking
[05:15] <intelikey> hitmanWilly it doesn't bother me really. i use mc to edit with...  even though it's buggy...
[05:15] <chrisjs169> CrunchyFerrett: yes, it's installed
[05:16] <CrunchyFerrett> chris: Oh. Then ive got nothign for you, sorry man.
[05:16] <TrueFX> hi guys
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> i use what works for me, and WindowMaker really isn't that heavy of a WM :P
[05:17] <chrisjs169> CrunchyFerrett: ok - I've swapped the DVD drive for one I know works - no dice
[05:17] <TrueFX> what is the key sequence for going at the beginning of a word in bash shell
[05:17] <TrueFX> in konsole
[05:17] <intelikey> yeah yeah yeah but i bet you don't have memory stats like mine ;p    Memory Used/Total Percent: 9/250 MB (3%)
[05:17] <intelikey> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[05:17] <TrueFX> and at the end of word
[05:17] <TrueFX> for deleting a wor d
[05:17] <TrueFX> if that's possible
[05:17] <TrueFX> how can i list and change key sequences for bash shell?
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: nope, but I have a little bit more RAM to play around with :)
[05:19] <marcelol> hitmanWilly: You are the man !
[05:19] <marcelol> restarted X and it came back up in the right res
[05:19] <marcelol> now if reboot, I hope it'll do the same
[05:19] <intelikey> TrueFX it's not the shell that you want it's konsole  configure it maybe.
[05:19] <marcelol> even Beryl is behaving...
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: to X its the same thing
[05:19] <marcelol> now to figure out how to slow down the mouse-drag thing
[05:20] <chrisjs169> anyone else have suggestions for my dvd issue?
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: also, a little side note, any command you want to run on kde startup, put it in that shell script I had you write
[05:20] <intelikey> chrisjs169 what player are you trying to use ?
[05:21] <marcelol> hitmanWilly: Oh I'm sure....presence..that when I was in college....I first started doing UI work in X, then Motif, then "graduated" and I was cast into the wilderness of the Windows/OS/2 UI ...have returned to whence I first began...tis a journey
[05:21] <chrisjs169> intelikey: xine/kaffeine
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> back in a sec
[05:22] <K-Ryan> Hey guys
[05:22] <intelikey> hmmm have you tried vlc or gxine to see if it worked in either of those chrisjs169
[05:22] <K-Ryan> I managed to burn DSL off the other computer and now I'm running it.
[05:22] <intelikey> and yes i know that gxine is a gtk app
[05:22] <K-Ryan> This is sooooo going on my old computer
[05:22] <chrisjs169> intelikey: ok, i'm installing vlc right now
[05:25] <intelikey> chrisjs169 mplayer is another choice...
[05:25] <chrisjs169> intelikey: mplayer didn't work =/
[05:26] <intelikey> yeah it's probably using xine too
[05:27] <intelikey> chrisjs169 redundant i'm sure but you do have   libxine-extracodecs  ?
[05:27] <chrisjs169> intelikey: apt-get says it's installed
[05:28] <intelikey> k,  well did vlc work for you ?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> ok, back
[05:28] <chrisjs169> intelikey: testing it now
[05:30] <intelikey> s/does/did/   haven't in a while...
[05:30] <chrisjs169> intelikey: it's at least trying to read from the dvd drive - the LED is blinking, and i haven't gotten any error messages yet
[05:30] <chrisjs169> but it seems it still isn't playing
[05:31] <intelikey> ;/
[05:31] <marcelol> has anyone tried the new nvidia drivers and restricted modules that adept says are available ?
[05:32] <intelikey> chrisjs169 no errors ?
[05:33] <chrisjs169> intelikey: it hasn't given me any
[05:33] <intelikey> that makes it awfully hard to try to fix....
[05:33] <chrisjs169> intelikey: the led only flashes when manually selecting the vob file though - not when simply selecting open disk
[05:34] <chrisjs169> intelikey: lol - the dvd drive works, just not on Kubuntu =/
[05:35] <chrisjs169> intelikey: that pastebin link contains info from Kaffeine and dmesg
[05:35] <chrisjs169> a sledge hammer might work =P
[05:35] <chrisjs169> (http://pastebin.ca/600473)
[05:35] <intelikey> yeah i read that.  but it didn't help me help you....
[05:36] <chrisjs169> I have Ubuntu on another computer - it's just about midnight here, so I guess I could try it on that in the morning
[05:39] <intelikey> the only thing that the pastebin might be saying that we havent covered, is that it's a special disk anti-freedom lock  disk has bad sectors that the propritary non-free junk is supposed to ignore....
[05:40] <intelikey> me hates fritz trusted computing crapppppp
[05:40] <chrisjs169> special disk anti-freedom lock  disk?
[05:40] <intelikey> doesn't stop theft only makes it harder on the honest people.
[05:41] <chrisjs169> ah, DRM
[05:41] <intelikey> chrisjs169 yeah one of the security measures used by some anti-copy junk is to intentionally make bad sectors on the disk...
[05:42] <intelikey> yes   TCG DRM and friends.
[05:42] <chrisjs169> intelikey: so it's a DVD that possibly could never play on (K)Ubuntu?
[05:42] <intelikey> possably  i'm not ready to commit to that answer but it is possable
[05:43] <chrisjs169> ok
[05:44] <dsmith_> hi
[05:44] <chrisjs169> where in the pastebin does it mention the bad sectors - the I/O errors?
[05:44] <dsmith_> hmmm wrong colors
[05:44] <ubuntu_> Hi
[05:44] <intelikey> yes i/o error  on /dev/sr*
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Hi dsmith_, Hi ubuntu_
[05:44] <chrisjs169> ok
[05:45] <ubuntu_> I am going to loose it soon
[05:45] <K-Ryan> What's wrong?
[05:45] <ubuntu_> is someone running 2 screen with Kubuntu?
[05:45] <chrisjs169> i'll see if i can get another dvd working tomorrow - thanks for all your help
[05:45] <intelikey> chrisjs169 yeah, and some fresh heads to bounce your problem off of may help too...
[05:47] <ubuntu_> I see that people around the net are able to, but my fucking windows braindead is not helping.  I want to trash Windows!!!  But 2-3-4-5 screens setup is a must for me
[05:47] <K-Ryan> !ohmy
[05:47] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:47] <ubuntu_> and Kubuntu, OpenSUSE or Fedora can't handle it out of the box...
[05:47] <intelikey> i tried to setup a linux box that would put a console on one screen and xorg on the other.... never got it to do what i wanted tho.  i wanted it to write to both but could only get one or the other...
[05:48] <ubuntu_> so?  any other punks who runs multi sreens on Kubuntu?
[05:48] <greywolf> hey hitmanWilly
[05:49] <greywolf> sorry I didn't respond earlier, I went to dinner
[05:49] <greywolf> it looks like I'm gonna have to do that clean install now :[
[05:49] <intelikey> gutzy ?
[05:50] <dsmith_> well, turned another person onto linux today
[05:50] <K-Ryan> greywolf: Never fixed it? That's too bad...
[05:50] <dsmith_> one person a day for me..
[05:50] <dsmith_> :)
[05:50] <K-Ryan> dsmith_ Way to go!
[05:50] <intelikey> greywolf of  ?
[05:50] <chrisjs169> intelikey: "gutsy" - was that to me?
[05:50] <klobster> so I am hoping to learn about backing up my system
[05:50] <intelikey> chrisjs169 no.
[05:50] <chrisjs169> ok
[05:50] <dsmith_> !sbackup
[05:50] <ubotu> sbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe
[05:51] <greywolf> intelikey: I was here a bit earlier
[05:51] <greywolf> K-Ryan: yeah
[05:51] <K-Ryan> I love Linux
[05:51] <klobster> ok, but specifically what files should I pay attention to? (obviously /home, but what else?)
[05:51] <dsmith_> klobster: or you can do a dual-boot and backup he entire machine with Acronis.
[05:51] <dsmith_> :)
[05:51] <K-Ryan> I never got off this DSL Live CD
[05:51] <greywolf> I did partition my hard drive for the OS files and the other stuff, though
[05:51] <K-Ryan> 8% of my RAM is being used and I have 0% CPU Usage
[05:51] <K-Ryan> I'm putting this on my old computer first thing in the morning
[05:51] <klobster> dsmith: couldn't I do the same thing through dd?
[05:52] <dsmith_> i've ben having troubles w/ superkaramba for whatever reason
[05:52] <dsmith_> oh well
[05:52] <dsmith_> dd??
[05:52] <intelikey> klobster dd will backup free space as well as data
[05:52] <dsmith_> superkaramba has all these desktop widgets, that shows status and such.
[05:53] <dsmith_> sbackup, seemed to takeup alot cpu processing power
[05:54] <klobster> I was looking at rsync; I was hoping to figuree out a way to do a backup to 1 or 2 DVD's, and then use rsync and gmailfs to snapshot the diff
[05:54] <intelikey> klobster /home /etc /var/lib /boot /lib   depending on what all you have in mind of backing up.   that was decreesing order of course.
[05:54] <klobster> then cron it and forget it
[05:55] <klobster> what about /etc and /usr ? important, or no?
[05:55] <dsmith_> the last time I time I tried restoring certain files, it hosed my setup
[05:55] <dsmith_> so I wiped the drive and installed fiesty
[05:55] <dsmith_> what about /opt?
[05:56] <intelikey> top two unless you are trying to protect against  a root kit or something.
[05:56] <intelikey> klobster etc is.  usr not so much
[05:57] <klobster>  /opt is unimportant
[05:57] <intelikey> top two.  /home /etc       my /opt is empty
[05:57] <intelikey> if you have things in /opt you consider important back it up by all means.
[05:57] <dsmith_> thunderbird and a few others are placed there
[05:58] <klobster> intelikey: what about /var/dpkg? could I use the logs to restore all my programs?  or is it a pain?
[05:58] <Ramon> Hello I'm having a really weird one for you guys :o ... http://rafb.net/p/3s67Xd81.html   the bios is 1998
[05:58] <dsmith_> I rather st backup the entire drive, and do incrementals daily
[05:58] <jaime> hello
[05:58] <dsmith_> hello
[05:58] <klobster> intelikey: I keep a static bash in opt, just in case.
[05:58] <intelikey> but personal data is in /home  and system configs are in /etc     and i'm tired of repeting that.....
[05:58] <dsmith_> aye
[05:59] <jaime> any speak spanish
[05:59] <intelikey> !es
[05:59] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:59] <klobster> intelikey: yes i knew that, I'm sorry I made you repeat it.
[06:00] <klobster> ramon: if you press ctrl-alt-F1, you can see the full error of what is breaking down, then we could be more helpfull
[06:00] <dsmith_> anyone hear? HP is considering coming out with Ubuntu laptops now.
[06:00] <greywolf> no I didn't
[06:00] <greywolf> but that's pretty cool
[06:00] <Ramon> klobster I did
[06:00] <Ramon> klobster: that is what it is showing me
[06:02] <Ramon> it is ata1.00 : exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 Serr 0x0 actuib 0x2 frozen     ata1.00 cmd c8/00:00:b7:11:b4/00:00:00:00:/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 131072 in
[06:02] <klobster> ramon: live CD or install?
[06:03] <Ramon> install
[06:03] <klobster> did it work with the livecd?  also what version?
[06:03] <Ramon> sure
[06:03] <Ramon> it works fine
[06:03] <intelikey> Ramon looks like a driver/bios conflict  maybe try adding    noacpi  to the kernel line and then boot ?
[06:03] <Ramon> and if i take the hd and take it to this computer it works fine... so yeah.. intelikey could be right .. i guess could be the bios..
[06:03] <Ramon> how do I add it  intelikey?
[06:04] <Ramon> acpi=off or noacpi?
[06:05] <intelikey> when grub first comes up hit [esc]   then select the boot option and hit [e]   then  select the "kernel" line and  [e]    add  well add both then we are sure to cover it.   and hit [enter]   [b] 
[06:05] <Ramon> ok let me try
[06:05] <klobster> ramon: is it ide or sata? pci card or onboard?
[06:06] <intelikey> they are suposed to do the same thing     acpi=off and noacpi
[06:06] <Ramon> ide
[06:06] <Ramon> it is ide
[06:07] <intelikey> klobster you thinking he may need to cull the sata driver from the initramfs ?
[06:08] <crash_> VICTORY!!
[06:08] <crash_> I DID IT!
[06:08] <CrunchyFerrett> The Wireless is functional!!
[06:08] <Ramon> same thing
[06:08] <K-Ryan> Awesome
[06:08] <intelikey> i don't know any way to prevent the initramfs from loading it, do you ?     i mean other than building another initramfs.img that doesn't contain that module
[06:08] <klobster> well, similar errors point to conflicts with pci cards, and wierd raid implemetations
[06:08] <Ramon> the same thing happened... and i guess that it goes automatically to noacpi
[06:09] <Ramon> even tho we dont add it
[06:09] <intelikey> Ramon any raid arrays ?
[06:09] <klobster> intelikey: well there may be a boot flag for it, but I would have to hit the logs
[06:10] <Ramon> no raid
[06:11] <intelikey> well i'm going to have to let you gents handle it,  4am is too late for me to be up.      gooday and good luck to your pinguin
[06:11] <Ramon> good night bro
[06:11] <Ramon> and thx :)
[06:11] <Ramon> so klobster haha.. it is weird isnt it
[06:12] <klobster> ramon: does the bios support a raid array? also what kernel version.
[06:13] <Ramon> the latest one... cannot do uname -r but it is the latest alt that i downloaded
[06:13] <wsjunior> is /etc/acpi/fglrx-powermode.sh script supposed to work automatically?
[06:13] <klobster> ramon it should give you kernel # during boot, in grub...
[06:14] <Ramon> yah but the thing is that it gives me the same issue
[06:14] <klobster> is this a separate system than the one you are on?
[06:14] <Ramon> how do you disable dma mode? coulde be that?
[06:14] <Ramon> yeah another one
[06:15] <klobster> boot to the grub screen and tell me which kernel it says, wait are you on gutsy, or fiesty?
[06:15] <Ramon> fiesty
[06:15] <wsjunior> i would like to save battery life of my laptop switching to powerstate=1 of my ati xpress 200m card but it doesnt happen automatically as it should (i guess)
[06:16] <wsjunior> if i execute ./etc/acpi/fglrx-powermode.sh by hand when i switch to battery mode it changes the card powerstate to 1 but doesnt make any effect automatically
[06:16] <wsjunior> is it supposed to work?
[06:18] <wsjunior> im pretty sad about my battery life in kubuntu. it remains for at least 2 hours in windows and nothing more than 30 min in kubuntu
[06:19] <TrueFX> hi guys
[06:19] <TrueFX> i ve got a problem with my network
[06:19] <TrueFX> i can connect to irc as u can see
[06:19] <TrueFX> but when it comes to surfing
[06:19] <TrueFX> i cant do it
[06:19] <TrueFX> after rebooting the computer for a few minutes 2 or so i can surf in internet
[06:20] <TrueFX> then when i write a url in conqueror nothing happens
[06:20] <wsjunior> konqueror
[06:20] <TrueFX> what may be the possible problem?
[06:20] <TrueFX> i cant even see an error code
[06:20] <wsjunior> check ur dns configs
[06:20] <Ramon> and for my issue.. no ideas?
[06:20] <wsjunior> what /etc/resolv.conf show?
[06:21] <TrueFX> # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
[06:21] <TrueFX> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[06:21] <TrueFX> my routers ip
[06:21] <klobster> ramon: sorry researching possible boot flags
[06:21] <Ramon> ahh ok klobster :) be here
[06:21] <Ramon> thanx man
[06:22] <klobster> ramon: did you find out the kernel version?
[06:22] <klobster> 2.6.20-16, no?
[06:22] <TrueFX> in my routers internal settings there are 2 dns servers 195.175.39.40
[06:22] <TrueFX> and 195.175.39.39
[06:22] <Ramon> yeah thats my kernel i guess
[06:22] <Ramon> if thats the latest one for ubuntu stable yeah
[06:23] <Ramon> cuz i downloaded the latest alt
[06:23] <TrueFX> and i can ping my dns server
[06:23] <TrueFX> i mean remote dns server and also my router
[06:23] <admin___> hi!
[06:23] <wsjunior> TrueFX: put those ips in /etc/resolv.conf
[06:24] <Ramon> is there a way to disable dma mode for the hd?
[06:24] <wsjunior> two lines like: nameserver firstip
[06:24] <admin___> quien habla espaol?
[06:24] <admin___> quien habla espaol?
[06:24] <wsjunior> and the other one in a new line
[06:24] <wsjunior> admin___: try ubuntu-es
[06:24] <Dr_Willis_> !es
[06:24] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:24] <klobster> oh, this isn't a fresh install?
[06:24] <klobster> it worked previous?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis_> Ramon,  hdparm command to enable/disable dma modes. Not sure why you want to disable it.
[06:25] <Ramon> klobster: it worked on this computer the one im using right now
[06:25] <Ramon> it is not working on the one with the 1998 bios
[06:25] <Ramon> dr. willis haha cuz i dont know what else to do
[06:25] <TrueFX> wsjunior:does order matter?
[06:26] <bryan> How can I use my PPC cell phone on Kubuntu?
[06:26] <klobster> ramon: well you could try to update the bios.
[06:26] <klobster> or you can try to add this to the kernel line combined_mode=libata
[06:27] <wsjunior> TrueFX: not really
[06:27] <level1> How come I can't find quantra on the repos?
[06:27] <Ramon> how that would be klobster.. grub menu (esc)... then select the boot option (e) select the kernel(e) type combined_mode=libata and then press (b)?
[06:28] <TrueFX> Unknown host www.google.com
[06:28] <TrueFX> i cant ping by name www.google.com
[06:28] <TrueFX> and i donno its ip by heart
[06:28] <TrueFX> can someone write it here so that i can try to ping it
[06:28] <wsjunior> is /etc/acpi/fglrx-powermode.sh script supposed to work automatically?
[06:28] <bryan> sync with kubuntu
[06:28] <ubunturos> KPilot?
[06:28] <klobster> ramon: yeah, are you familiar with where to place the text?
[06:28] <wsjunior> TrueFX: 64.233.161.99
[06:28] <Ramon> mmmm i dot know cuz after i press e in the kernel it shows me a big line
[06:29] <Ramon> i mean.. a script
[06:29] <Ramon> and i guess at the end of it leaving a space right?
[06:29] <klobster> Dr_Willis:  http://rafb.net/p/3s67Xd81.html
[06:30] <TrueFX> yep i can ping google too
[06:30] <klobster> ramon: you need to select the line that starts with: /vmlinuz
[06:30] <Ramon> yeah thats the one
[06:30] <Ramon> :)
[06:30] <TrueFX> if my isp changes dns servers
[06:31] <TrueFX> normally the information in my router should change automatically too?
[06:31] <klobster> an then you add it after the name of your kernel, and you might as well take out quiet and splash while we are there
[06:31] <K-Ryan> I'm out guys, going to go install DSL on my old computer =)
[06:31] <TrueFX> wsjunior: probably that's related with dns right?
[06:31] <Ramon> ok let me try klobster :)
[06:32] <klobster> also, have you tried to boot from the old kernel? and do you have any other hard disks/cd drives connected to the ide slots on that system?
[06:33] <Ramon> no i dont have anything else.. just the IDE HD
[06:33] <Ramon> i unplugged the cd rom
[06:33] <Ramon> and there are no other kernels showing in there
[06:34] <klobster> ramon: so? go or nogo?
[06:34] <TrueFX> how can i list all ip addresses in my lan?
[06:34] <Ramon> nothing klobster.. now it says: support DPO or FUA sda: sda1 sda2 (sda5) attached scsi disk sda attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
[06:34] <Dr_Willis_> TrueFX,  use a scanner like nmap, or if they all got samba shares. ive used smb4k to see them/ip's
[06:34] <Ramon> and my disk is not scsi haha
[06:36] <sparr> the ubuntu clamav packages complain to my cron logs (and thus my email) that they are out of date.  is this a bug?  i dont want to know if there isnt a new package yet.  how can i fix it?
[06:37] <klobster> ramon: sda is the new hda, don't get me started about it.  do you know what type of controller you are running?
[06:37] <klobster> ide controller.
[06:37] <Ramon> klobster: no idea :o
[06:37] <Ramon> klobster: what do you mean by controller?
[06:37] <sparr> Ramon: the libata jerks decided to call all drives sd*, scsi or otherwise
[06:37] <crimsun> sparr: the *clam* issues are being discussed, enroute to a resolution soon.
[06:38] <Ramon> it sux :( haha
[06:38] <Ramon> and as i told you... not working with the libata or with the noacpi
[06:41] <klobster> ramon: well we could try combined_mode=ide
[06:42] <klobster> ramon: I mean your ide controller, do you know what type it is?
[06:42] <sparr> crimsun: interesting.  might they have been under discussion the previous dozen times ive asked this month?  :)
[06:42] <crimsun> sparr: MOTU meeting archives.
[06:43] <Ramon> klobster: let me try the combined_mode=ide
[06:43] <Ramon> i dont know what controller it is...
[06:43] <klobster> ramon: do you know what motheroard you have?
[06:44] <Ramon> yeah.. it is a sis
[06:44] <Ramon> let me see the model
[06:44] <Ramon> sis 5595
[06:46] <klobster> sis 530?
[06:46] <Ramon> yeah thats what it sas
[06:46] <Ramon> says
[06:46] <Ramon> just a question.. what is irqpoll?
[06:47] <Ramon> cuz i was reading that sometimes it boots with that option
[06:48] <klobster> where did you see that?
[06:48] <lou_> can someone help me ? How do I change the font and resolution in a CLI ??
[06:49] <Dr_Willis_> the console, you can set the font with err.. Hmm  let me check
[06:49] <Dr_Willis_>  consolechars   - is the command for the fonts.
[06:49] <Ramon> klobster: here
[06:49] <Dr_Willis_> Resolution is part of the framebuffer stuff I belive.  I always disable all that :)
[06:49] <Ramon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/78288
[06:50] <lou_> thanks Dr_Willis. Good tip.Just want to press ctrl+alt+F1 and have more than 40 letters/line....
[06:51] <klobster> you can try it, but I think changing bios settings may be more likely to fix this one.
[06:52] <Ramon> but it is not giving me any options.. just the old options old motherboards had
[06:52] <klobster> such as?
[06:52] <Ramon> let me get into the bios.. (sorry if i take some time but the computer is not close to me :$)
[06:52] <Ramon> wait
[06:53] <Ramon> it says /bin/bash cant access tty: job control turned off... and then it says (initramfs)
[06:53] <Jackz> hales
[06:54] <klobster> that was booting with which option?
[06:54] <Ramon> combined_mode=ide
[06:54] <Ramon> but after a looooooong looong time
[06:56] <Ramon> before that it says check root = bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat/ /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT! does not exist. Dropping to a shell.. then busybox v 1.1.3 debian blah blah.. and then the initramfs
[06:58] <CrunchyFerrett> Hah! Found another way to fix it!
[06:59] <Ramon> ?
[07:01] <klobster> ramon: well it confirms the libata issue, although not in a good way.
[07:01] <wsjunior> using powernowd my max cpu freq is 2.2GHZ but when i start switch to battery and then back to ac it only achieve 1.8, never 2.2 again, how can i fix it?
[07:01] <Ramon> :(
[07:01] <Ramon> but do you think there's a way to fix it?
[07:02] <fignew> wsjunior: what if you use 100% cpu?
[07:03] <wsjunior> its using performance governor
[07:03] <wsjunior> should be always using the max
[07:03] <wsjunior> 2.20GHz in my case
[07:04] <wsjunior> cpufreq-info shows current CPU frequency is 1.80 GHz
[07:04] <wsjunior> sudo cpufreq-set -f 2.20GHz returns no error
[07:04] <wsjunior> but its still 1.80GHz
[07:04] <wsjunior> :/
[07:05] <CrunchyFerrett> And on to the next problem!
[07:05] <CrunchyFerrett> How can I access the network shares on my WinServer 2003 box?
[07:05] <wsjunior> Samba?
[07:05] <klobster> ramon: let's try this can you disable the floppy frive in the bios?
[07:06] <CrunchyFerrett> I figured Samba, but can that be installed on server03?
[07:06] <CrunchyFerrett> Can linux access server shares from a Win2003 AD server?
[07:07] <morph_> anyone used iraf on ubuntu before?
[07:08] <Ramon> it is disabled hehe :$
[07:08] <morph_> iraf is?
[07:09] <klobster> ok we could add a line to the grub: break=top that should open us up to some modprobe options
[07:09] <Ramon> cool let me check
[07:11] <Ramon> klobster: same thing .. took me to initramfs but this time was faster
[07:12] <klobster> can you type?
[07:12] <Ramon> sure
[07:12] <morph_> also having problems when starting 7.04 hangs after it says "doing normal boot"
[07:12] <klobster> I mean, it's not locked up?
[07:12] <Ramon> nah it is not
[07:12] <Ramon> it lets me type
[07:13] <klobster> try: modprobe sis5513
[07:13] <Ramon> ok let me check..
[07:13] <klobster> ramon: and then exit
[07:14] <Ramon> type exit?
[07:14] <Ramon> it sohwd me a lot of things
[07:14] <Ramon> ide controller at pci slot blah blah.. chipset.. sis620 ata controler... bm dma at .... hda wdc wd ata disk drive.. ide0 at 0x....etc on irq14
[07:15] <klobster> yeah, type exit
[07:15] <Ramon> did it :)... now it is stucked on fdc 0 is a post-1991 82077
[07:16] <klobster> fdc? I thought yopu turned off the floppy in the bios?  did you also remove it?
[07:16] <Ramon> yeah haha
[07:16] <Ramon> it is not there since i purchased the computer and it is also disabled.
[07:16] <klobster> ramon: it may get past it, just give it a sec
[07:17] <Ramon> i purchased it for 20 bucks haha
[07:17] <Ramon> 500 mhz and 128 ram...
[07:18] <Ramon> took me back to initramfs
[07:18] <morph_> is iraf similar to idl?
[07:19] <klobster> well I would suggest either: a reinstalling using the edgy cd, and then doing an upgrade over the net
[07:20] <klobster> b: switching the disk back over to the other system booting it and getting another kernel
[07:20] <Ramon> ill try that. just let me see if this works
[07:20] <Ramon> how can i get another kernel?
[07:20] <klobster> or c: switching to the other system and trying this workaround: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/107774
[07:21] <klobster> ramon: you can get one out of adept, just look for either a new one, or the previous version 2.6.20-16 is current
[07:21] <Ramon> yeah i guess thats the one this compuer has
[07:22] <Ramon> ill try something
[07:22] <Ramon> i have a debian on another computer
[07:22] <Ramon> ill try switching hdd
[07:22] <Ramon> let me check
[07:22] <klobster> you need to edit the initramfs.conf, but it needs to be mounted to do so.
[07:22] <CrunchyFerrett> ...
[07:22] <CrunchyFerrett> I think I just broke the Su user
[07:23] <klobster> did you see the workaround in that page?
[07:23] <kiosk> how come CrunchyFerrett
[07:23] <klobster> how can you break a nonexistant user?
[07:23] <kiosk> ?
[07:23] <CrunchyFerrett> not sure
[07:24] <CrunchyFerrett> But when I try to do anything in KDE that wants root privs, I get a "Su retuned with an error."
[07:25] <kiosk> is su the same a sudo?
[07:26] <CrunchyFerrett> *shrug*
[07:27] <morph_> what is a good idl type program i can use on ubuntu?
[07:28] <CrunchyFerrett> ah. I seem to have taken myself out of the sudoers group.
[07:28] <CrunchyFerrett> or somethin
[07:29] <klobster> group adm?
[07:29] <CrunchyFerrett> appears to be so
[07:29] <CrunchyFerrett> my sudoers file is empty
[07:30] <klobster> I'm no expert but that sucks
[07:30] <CrunchyFerrett> and of course I dont have permissions to edit the file.
[07:30] <CrunchyFerrett> groovy
[07:30] <CrunchyFerrett> brb
[07:30] <marcelol> is loving Linux more and more everyday......
[07:31] <marcelol> begins to question the efficacy of programming in Windows anymore...oh yeah..it pays the bills :(
[07:31] <klobster> bmaybe boot off the liveCD, and bind your root partition?
[07:34] <kiosk> \leave
[07:37] <TheCreationist> Is there any way to configure my gnome panel to close an application when I middle click it's button in the taskbar?
[07:40] <klobster> thecreationist: this channel is KDE specific, try ubuntu for gnome info
[07:44] <crash_> fixed it
[07:44] <crash_> Man, you can pretty much fix anything in Linux with an hour or so in google
[07:45] <makuseru> are there any good flight simulators for linux?
[07:47] <miltos> hi ppl:-)
[07:47] <morph_> i still want an IDL type program for linux- free of course
[07:47] <TheCreationist> klobster: Yeah, I was a KDE fan until I realized that the Ubuntu community really doesn't give a crap about KDE.  So I switched to gnome.  I've tried asking in #ubuntu, but got no responses.
[07:47] <CrunchyFerrett> howdy
[07:49] <miltos> what's the best download manager for kubuntu?
[07:49] <DjDarkman> Why doesn`t lock screen work in xgl?
[07:49] <jlund> TheCreationist: Not sure how you can say that they "don't give a crap" about KDE.
[07:49] <morph_> how good is gnome compared to kde
[07:49] <morph_> i havent used gnome at all
[07:49] <greywolf_> makuseru: what kind of flight simulator?
[07:49] <DjDarkman> morph_: it may be lighter
[07:50] <greywolf_> WWII, futuristic, etc...?
[07:50] <morph_> like bluetooth and networkmanager
[07:50] <makuseru> realistic
[07:50] <marcelol> miltos: I use aria...sure it's not so glitzy..but it works great
[07:50] <DjDarkman> morph_: if you want a light desktop, then you should rather use XFCE
[07:50] <TheCreationist> jlund: It's pretty much common knowledge that Kubuntu is the neglected aspect of Ubuntu.
[07:51] <greywolf_> makuseru: ah, then you probably wouldn't like Vega Strike so much
[07:51] <marcelol> TheCreationist: I...wouldn't say they don't give a .....about KDE....
[07:51] <TheCreationist> It doesn't get nearly as much attention from developers as gnome.
[07:51] <greywolf_> TheCreationist: it will when KDE4 is out ;)
[07:51] <marcelol> What's the first thing anyone does once they realize they can't Shiznitz done in gnome ?......move to KDE.
[07:52] <morph_> whne should that be?
[07:52] <jlund> TheCreationist: Yeah, you are kind of just talking out of your ass right now. Can you back these statements up with any evidence at all?
[07:52] <TheCreationist> greywolf_: Yeah, that's what they said just before KDE 3 came out ;)
[07:52] <TheCreationist> But okay.
[07:52] <greywolf_> heh
[07:52] <TheCreationist> jlund: Hmm... first of all many of the regulars in HERE have said the same.
[07:52] <miltos> marcelo: adept reports aria and aria2 which one is the best?
[07:52] <marcelol> there's nothing you can do in gnome right now that you can't do in KDE...
[07:52] <morph_> when is 4kde4 suppose to be out
[07:52] <marcelol> aria2 is just a script wrapper..
[07:52] <TheCreationist> jlund: Second, the stability of Kubuntu is NOTHING compared to the stability of Ubuntu.
[07:52] <marcelol> arias actually has a UI
[07:52] <marcelol> aria
[07:53] <miltos> marcelol:thanks
[07:53] <TheCreationist> jlund: Also, with Kubuntu Feisty, where are the 3D desktop effects?  The automatic installation of restricted drivers and codecs?
[07:53] <marcelol> stability ? if it weren't for the fsking nvidia driver....I wouldn't have had to reboot thing thing for anything...
[07:53] <TheCreationist> jlund: I rest my case. :P
[07:54] <morph_> so gnome has apps like knerwork manager
[07:54] <marcelol> Oy ! "Auto install" ? yeah....and where's the "working" bcm43xx driver in ubuntu...hint: it doesn't..please there's plenty to sling around..
[07:54] <CrunchyFerrett> .. 3d desktop effects?
[07:55] <marcelol> morph: the answer would be uh......no
[07:55] <miltos> marcelol: is there any way to unrar a series of password protected files?
[07:55] <CrunchyFerrett> Yeah it took me forever to get my bcm43xx card working.
[07:55] <CrunchyFerrett> But I DID IT by god
[07:55] <morph_> kool, well i just got my KDE looking nice and working stable
[07:55] <jlund> TheCreationist: 1st point - Heresay. People like you coming in here with your "common knowledge" based on nothing could be responsible for the kind of statements you refer to. 2nd point - I've run both Gnome and KDE for over a year each and Kubuntu is not any less stable. 3rd point - Desktop effects are coming in KDE 4.0. Plasma is going to be awesome. Also I can tell that you really are talking out of your ass because Amarok and K3b
[07:55] <jlund> and others all tell you when you don't have mp3 support installed and offer to set it up for you.
[07:55] <marcelol> miltos: not my area of knowledge, dude...my answer would be YEAH....but I ain't the guy to ask
[07:55] <morph_> well except the knetwork manager desnt always show when KDE starts,  anyone know why?
[07:56] <miltos> Can anybody tell me if is there any way to unrar a series of password protected files?
[07:56] <marcelol> who the hell is this "common knowledge" coming from ? Mr Monkey ?
[07:56] <TheCreationist> jlund: I use both Amarok and K3b on Ubuntu just fine.  Before you attack my comments, perhaps you should get a little more information.  I'm not referring to KDE 4.  I'm talking about Feisty.  Kubuntu Feisty is ages behind Ubuntu Feisty in terms of stability and easy of use.
[07:57] <marcelol> morph....you sure you didn't turn something off ? mine always comes on automatically
[07:57] <makuseru> how do i install a .deb in a terminal?
[07:57] <TheCreationist> jlund: I started using Linux with Kubuntu Edgy.  I love KDE.  I do.
[07:57] <FoxFire> ummm how do you enable the restricted modules? I forgot
[07:57] <morph_> it shows a empty space where it should be
[07:57] <TheCreationist> jlund:  But when it comes to shear stability and features, the KDE version of Ubuntu absolutely sucks.
[07:58] <marcelol> TheCreationist: Whaaa ? GTFOH, what are you puffin ?
[07:58] <morph_> like a blank space between other apps
[07:58] <jlund> TheCreationist: I just think you are being silly. You come into the Kubuntu channel asking a Gnome question and justify it by insulting the stability of the distro variant that we are using. You are in the wrong both in fact and in presentation.
[07:58] <FoxFire> ummm how do you enable the restricted modules? I forgot
[07:58] <greywolf_> TheCreationist: I must differ with you on your last point. I installed Kubuntu, then installed gnome and used that for 3 months and tried KDE again, and never went back. It seemed to me that KDE was more stable (except for one or two annoying things like the Konqueror filter crashing bug), and on the whole, much more robust.
[07:58] <jlund> TheCreationist: In short, you are off-base regarding both the stability of Kubuntu and also the manner in which you are presenting yourself and asking questions.
[07:59] <marcelol> like I said before....if it weren't for the driver instability of the nvidia-glx...I wouldn't have had any problems...
[08:00] <jlund> TheCreationist: What a stupid way to ask for help!
[08:00] <marcelol> ndiswrapper was no big deal to set up...and KNetworkManager is sooooo much easier than GWin ? Is that it ?
[08:00] <TheCreationist> jlund: I came here respectfully requesting some help with gnome since most people here have some experience with gnome.  When I was ridiculed for asking a gnome question here, I simply stated my reason for not using KDE.  I was jumped with insults immediately.  How is that me "presenting" myself incorrectly?
[08:00] <FoxFire> umm k could I get some help, Ive forgotten how to enable the restricted modules cause I haven't had to reinstall for some time
[08:00] <morph_> why are you guys talking smak, linux is free use what you want to
[08:00] <TheCreationist> jlund: Okay, I'm not 12 and I resent you treating me as such.
[08:00] <marcelol> TheCreationist: No one "immediately jumped you" with insults...I think you're being a little defensive
[08:01] <greywolf_> FoxFire: look at your sources.list
[08:01] <TheCreationist> jlund: I mentioned my misgivings with Kubuntu based on my OWN experience and the comments made by regulars here.
[08:01] <jlund> TheCreationist: Bullshit. You came in here talking trash about Kubuntu and maligning the amount of support it receives from the Ubuntu community. Hilariously you completely neglect to see the irony in you coming into this channel that you are trashing because you didn't get help in #ubuntu.
[08:01] <marcelol> and even if I didn't like Gnome ( which I don't ), I wouldn't go into a room and then if I didn't get the feedback I wanted, sling da hash..........
[08:01] <FoxFire> thanks greywolf
[08:01] <greywolf_> well that's not all :P
[08:02] <pacman> can someone assist me in getting java runtime installed properly and plugged into firefox?
[08:02] <TheCreationist> "Kubuntu is the neglected child of Ubuntu, sadly."  - Jucato
[08:02] <marcelol> damn...here greywolf_ is trying to lend a guy a hand and all this diatribe is clouding the screen....STFU and have a coke and a smile already dude
[08:02] <TheCreationist> pacman: Install the plugin package as well, not just sun-java6-jre
[08:02] <morph_> how about helping instead of talking smak
[08:03] <TheCreationist> pacman: I believe the proper package is sun-java6-plugin
[08:03] <greywolf_> open it with sudo and add the word "restricted" to the lines of the fiesty repositories
[08:03] <marcelol> there you go morph_
[08:03] <FoxFire> Creationist the great linus torvalds creator of linux says to use kde so meh that aside I can't stand gnome
[08:03] <greywolf_> lol FoxFire
[08:03] <FoxFire> it's all personal preference
[08:03] <greywolf_> marcelol: thanks :)
[08:04] <jlund> TheCreationist: I don't know who that is and what does that prove anyway? That is like me pasting a quote from you two months from now to prove that Kubuntu is less stable than Ubuntu. Total heresay with no basis in reality.
[08:04] <morph_> is there a bug with resume image when booting,  my computer hangs at this point
[08:04] <marcelol> FoxFire: and after all....every time Mr MonkeyBoy has told Linux to put up or shut up, and when he puts us...Mr MonkeyBoy shuts up...what does THAT tell you, about "support" ?
[08:04] <marcelol> you're welcome greywolf_
[08:05] <TheCreationist> jlund: Whatever.  Shut up.  You don't know the answer to my question, fine.  Don't be an asshole and pick a fight because I have issues with KDE>
[08:05] <marcelol> jlund: third time I've said it...if it weren't for the nvidia-glx ( which is now resolved ).....Feisty Kubuntu wouldn't have given me any problems Feisty Ubuntu wouldn't have given anyone else.
[08:05] <FoxFire> there's kinda a half lack there of lol
[08:06] <pacman> sweet...fixed...thanks
[08:06] <marcelol> TheCreationist: Good...you admitted you have issues, that's the first step towards recovery.
[08:06] <TheCreationist> pacman: My pleasure :)
[08:06] <sumigamer> guys I added beryl to the startup and now I want to remove it ( from the startup). How do i do this??
[08:06] <morph_> computer hang during boot at "resume image, doing normal boot"
[08:06] <marcelol> sumigamer: did you put it in startup.sh ? just go edit it out  and reboot
[08:06] <jlund> TheCreationist: Again, you're the asshole. My issue isn't that you have a problem with KDE it is the totally ridiculous manner in which you conducted yourself in here. Joining this channel to ask for help for a Gnome question and then trashing Kubuntu in #kubuntu. You're the only ass here.
[08:07] <TheCreationist> jlund: Point taken.  Now shush.
[08:07] <greywolf_> too much drama for me, guys, I'm goin to bed :P
[08:07] <greywolf_> night
[08:07] <TheCreationist> greywolf_: g'nite.
[08:07] <morph_> helpy!
[08:07] <marcelol> TheCreationist : Dude....you really should switch to decaf...
[08:07] <morph_> think dual boot is causing the problem?
[08:08] <jlund> TheCreationist: Yeah, I love that you come in here and stir things up with false and inflammatory statements and then tell me to shush.
[08:08] <marcelol> finally....
[08:09] <marcelol> jlund: it's not worth it.....even humor couldn't reach'm.....
[08:09] <jlund> That was sure frustrating! I should know better than to participate in that kind of discussion. Sorry all.
[08:09] <marcelol> if humor doesn't difuse someone with that train of thought.....nothing will..
[08:10] <marcelol> no worries.......but seriously....why is it 30% of KDE users today are previous Gnome users ? ....they finally woke up, that's why
[08:11] <morph_> wow kde4 is gonna look tight
[08:11] <marcelol> yeah.....but it's still a ways off...
[08:12] <marcelol> but you're right....it'll be nice to finally tell Mr Monkey Boy and his tools to STFU finally
[08:13] <morph_> like 4 months
[08:13] <morph_> right?
[08:14] <marcelol> not b4 the end of the year methinks
[08:14] <jlund> It comes out the end of October
[08:14] <marcelol> you think so ?
[08:14] <erikja> !vnc
[08:14] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[08:14] <morph_> yeah that is what i thought
[08:15] <jlund> marcelol: That is the roadmap that they have committed to.
[08:15] <marcelol> thinks there are some optimists in the room
[08:15] <morph_> on thier calender
[08:15] <marcelol> jlund: And I wish'm the best of luck meeting that time frame
[08:15] <FoxFire> what does this mean beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[08:15] <morph_> prolly means you should run in 24 bit
[08:16] <marcelol> FoxFire:...uh yeah...what morph_ said
[08:16] <jlund> Which means that Kubuntu Gutsy won't have KDE 4.0 as the default desktop but I read an interview with Jonathan Riddell and they are planning on having full packages for it as soon as it comes out. I can't wait.
[08:16] <erikja> !freenx
[08:16] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[08:16] <sumigamer3> I created a link the Kde autostart folder for beryl by the some command that the folks here at this channel gave me. Now how do i remove it??
[08:16] <FoxFire> Im just running default
[08:16] <morph_> defualt depth should be set to 24
[08:16] <marcelol> nvidia-settings says the display can run 32, but I leave it at 24 in xorg.conf as default....
[08:16] <morph_> its normally 16 i think
[08:16] <jlund> aKademy is running right now and they are doing a full coding marathon for a week. We should have some really solid idea of where things stand after the conference.
[08:17] <morph_> i tried beryl but it was too unstable
[08:17] <marcelol> morph_: yes....it likes to drop back to 16 for some insance reason
[08:17] <morph_> kept having problems starting apps
[08:18] <marcelol> is running it now....after hitmanWilly gave'm the heads up
[08:18] <marcelol> apps like what morph_ ?
[08:18] <morph_> any app
[08:18] <marcelol> whoa
[08:18] <marcelol> that's just wrong
[08:18] <morph_> would give me an error
[08:18] <morph_> yeah had to logout
[08:19] <morph_> then log in again
[08:19] <marcelol> <-- is running it on an old-ass Inspiron laptop right now
[08:19] <marcelol> 4 year old lappy
[08:19] <morph_> wow
[08:19] <morph_> i have a m1210
[08:19] <marcelol> new HW...you shouldn't be having problems
[08:20] <marcelol> m1210 is like what ? year and a half old ?
[08:20] <sumigamer3> I created a link the Kde autostart folder for beryl by the some command that the folks here at this channel gave me. Now how do i remove it??
[08:20] <morph_> naw new
[08:20] <morph_> like a few months
[08:21] <marcelol> damn dawg....you sure you install the right drivers ?
[08:21] <marcelol> you should be able to use the newer nv-glx driver
[08:21] <FoxFire> I think it's the nvidia driver I'm running
[08:21] <marcelol> or are yo ati ?
[08:21] <morph_> nvidia
[08:22] <marcelol> FoxFire: You should make sure you remove the nv-glx driver....switch back to the def nv one
[08:22] <morph_> click show hidden fils
[08:22] <morph_> files
[08:22] <marcelol> then install the nv-glx driver that most appropriately matches your config
[08:22] <FoxFire> what default nvidia?
[08:23] <morph_> err your usernam of course
[08:23] <marcelol> nv
[08:23] <marcelol> it's installed by default
[08:23] <FoxFire> I used sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:23] <marcelol> that sounds right
[08:23] <marcelol> and you enabled it...
[08:23] <FoxFire> yep
[08:23] <marcelol> and then added the argbglxvisuals ?
[08:24] <marcelol> are you unable to reboot and go directly to the login ?
[08:24] <FoxFire> would that be this? sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[08:24] <marcelol> yes..
[08:24] <marcelol> after you enable the driver
[08:24] <marcelol> once you've done that...
[08:24] <marcelol> restart X.....ctl-alt-BKSPACE....
[08:24] <morph_> arent you suppose to # out glx for nvidia cards?
[08:24] <morph_> when using beryl
[08:25] <FoxFire> k brb
[08:25] <marcelol> then try running kdesu nvidia-settings and having it detect your card, etc...etc ONE time..
[08:25] <marcelol> then you should be able to reboot and come straight in
[08:25] <_Iamda> with PC running,,is it ok to shut down the monitor at will, leave it down 2hrs. or 23hrs., or 2 weeks...?
[08:25] <marcelol> is running it with it now
[08:26] <makuseru> !flightgear
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flightgear - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <_Iamda> yes
[08:26] <marcelol> mind you I turned disable GL Yield
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> _Iamda: what type of monitor
[08:27] <_Iamda> dell
[08:27] <_Iamda> 14"
[08:28] <FoxFire> ok beryl seems worse off then before
[08:29] <makuseru> beryl is legacy now
[08:29] <marcelol> in Advanced Beryl Options....try Rendering Path to COPY
[08:29] <FoxFire> this is the error http://www.pastebin.ca/600979
[08:30] <makuseru> FoxFire: whats your problem?
[08:30] <marcelol> try that and DISABLE GL YIELD
[08:30] <marcelol> Hmmmm
[08:31] <makuseru> marcelol: whats his problem?
[08:31] <marcelol> you have bigger issues...KDED isn't responding
[08:31] <marcelol> did you reboot dude ?
[08:31] <FoxFire> yeps
[08:33] <morph_> so is ther a way to fix resume image when booting?
[08:33] <marcelol> I would run : sudo  dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg    from a recovery console.....revert to the default nv driver...then go into ADEPT, and remove the NVidia-glx.....once you've done that...make sure you've got the linux restrticted modules installed ( the up to date ones )
[08:34] <morph_> my pc hangs when it says doing normal boot
[08:34] <marcelol> make sure  you've PURGED nvidia-glx ( you might have to revert to the command line to ensure that )
[08:34] <marcelol> then you can go back and re-download nvidia-glx and enable it..
[08:35] <marcelol> morph_: I don't use suspend or hibernate here as yet....
[08:36] <morph_> its when i reboot
[08:36] <marcelol> <-- my bedtime here folks.....have a restful night
[08:36] <morph_> or after shutdown
[08:36] <morph_> k night
[08:36] <FoxFire> laters :D
[08:36] <marcelol> I'll give it some thought...
[08:36] <marcelol> will return tomorrow night
[08:37] <morph_> bedtime for me as well
[08:37] <morph_> peace
[08:46] <TrueFX> hi guys
[08:46] <TrueFX> how can i dl a websites content by konvertin link to view it in my comp?
[08:46] <TrueFX> it's my own web site in a remote server in university
[08:46] <andre__> somebody could help me?
[08:46] <TrueFX> i have forgetten to password
[08:47] <TrueFX> so i wnat to dl it and put all the  content now in my computer at home
[08:47] <TrueFX> andre go and ask
[08:47] <TrueFX> nobody would say ok
[08:47] <andre__> anybody knows how to configure this
[08:47] <andre__> Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
[08:47] <andre__> Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly
[08:47] <TrueFX> if sb know they ll write
[08:48] <TrueFX> no idea sorry
[08:49] <andre__> thanks dude
[08:49] <andre__> did you know any link about that?
[08:50] <Timsen> TrueFX: if you surf with firefox, you could use the extension scrapbook
[08:50] <TrueFX> ?
[08:51] <TrueFX> i cant there is a problem with firefox
[08:51] <TrueFX> wit wget normall it should be done
[08:51] <TrueFX> wget -r -k
[08:51] <TrueFX> but it says permission denied
[08:51] <TrueFX> wget -r -k http://www.students.itu.edu.tr/~bacioglu
[08:51] <Timsen> and you start the wget in a directory where you have write permissions" to save the site content?
[08:51] <TrueFX> my own site
[08:52] <rixxon> Anyone know a handwriting typefont similar to Purisa, but with support for swedish characters ()? I want something cute for KNotes :)
[08:52] <TrueFX> timsen
[08:52] <TrueFX> thx
[08:52] <TrueFX> :)
[08:52] <TrueFX> it's fool of me
[08:52] <TrueFX> i was not root
[08:53] <TrueFX> ii thought it was a server side error
[08:53] <TrueFX> :)
[08:54] <Timsen> np
[08:55] <sumigamer2> guys how do i change the resolution of an image in kubuntu??
[08:55] <rixxon> sumigamer2: have a look in the graphics menu, alternatively install gimp or imagemagick or search for something else
[08:57] <sumigamer2> rixxon, actually I am trying to change the resolution of a logo so that I can fit it on the kicker in place of the K menu logo...
[08:59] <kraut> moin
[09:04] <hanzz_> hi.. i heard about program which can sets variables in /proc ... does somebody know his name?
[09:04] <hanzz_> i think that it has GUI
[09:07] <bentob0x> I need to reinstall my machine, should I go for Kubuntu again (which is what I'm using now) or should I install a debian + kde?
[09:08] <bentob0x> knowing that I'm using Linux since March
[09:08] <rixxon> bentob0x: you asking that here?
[09:08] <bentob0x> yes
[09:08] <rixxon> bentob0x: debian folks will tell you debian ftw, kubuntu folks will tell you kubuntu ftw
[09:08] <bentob0x> Kubuntu is debian-based right?
[09:09] <rixxon> nah not really no more
[09:09] <bentob0x> ah
[09:09] <bentob0x> see I was right to ask it here? :)
[09:09] <rixxon> bentob0x: lets say it like this, i *think* debian is more raw, less pre-setup, while kubuntu includes more packages and is more preconfigured
 lol yes it is
[09:10] <rixxon> bentob0x: if you like how kubuntu is set up, go for it, otherwise, try something else?
 it is still debian based
[09:10] <rixxon> insmod: sure but they're not very much like each other anymore?
[09:11] <rixxon> debian != apt you know :)
[09:11] <bentob0x> I like Kubuntu a lot, I was just thinking that as I'm getting to know Linux a bit better, maybe it's time to get a bit more 'in control' of my distro?
 ya they are -- ubuntu pulls off of debian servers and just changes the package to there own
[09:12] <rixxon> bentob0x: only if you feel the need? it's not a requirement to be a rookie to use ubuntu.
 that's like saying mandrake and fedora are not redhat based
[09:12] <bentob0x> true but a lot of things are pre-chewed
[09:12] <bentob0x> no?
[09:12] <rixxon> insmod: ok sure, it is debian based, my point is they are rather different from each other
[09:12] <rixxon> but sure it is *based* on debian
if you learn the back end all distroes are the same
[09:13] <rixxon> and hey, fedora *is* red hat
 only in gui my friend
[09:14] <rixxon> bentob0x: like insmod say, they're all linux anyhow. I used to be you after having used ubuntu for like half a year, then I used arch linux (very raw linux) for a year, now I'm back here.
 the bare bones are the same and for someone that uses term most of the time they are the same
[09:14] <rixxon> bentob0x: ask yourself if you want a system to use the computer with, or if you want a system to toy with the computer with
 my 11th yr lol
[09:15] <rixxon> hehe
[09:15] <bentob0x> which system is the one I'll 'toy' with?
any
[09:15] <rixxon> bentob0x: not *ubuntu anyway :>
[09:15] <rixxon> sure you can toy with *ubuntu too
[09:16] <rixxon> but it is probably not the best fit distro for that - while it is better fit than others on being a system to *use* the computer with
want a distro to learn -- linuxfromscratch.org
[09:16] <bentob0x> maybe the good point is that *buntu has a very fast-growning community
[09:16] <rixxon> I wouldn't go straight to LFS after a few months with linux
[09:16] <bentob0x> so I have better chances to find help and technical support?
[09:17] <bentob0x> (it's not really support, I know)
[09:17] <rixxon> It is a form of support :)
[09:18] <bentob0x> what about for a webserver?  Should I use Kubuntu for my own machine and maybe a debian machine for my webserver/fileserver?
[09:18] <Krijali> anyone using beryl?
[09:18] <bentob0x> yep
[09:19] <rixxon> bentob0x: there is ubuntu server, though to me *ubuntu is a desktop distro, so I don't know
[09:19] <rixxon> I prefer BSD on servers
[09:19] <bentob0x> hmmm
[09:19] <rixxon> bentob0x: though with ubuntu server you can have LAMP up and running in 15 minutes, install time included
don't allow ubuntu as a web server unless you know how to lock it down
[09:20] <bentob0x> ok
[09:20] <rixxon> insmod: isn't ubuntu *server* locked properly
[09:20] <bentob0x> I don't mind spending time on install tho
[09:20] <Krijali> bentob0x: how well does it work for you?
[09:20] <bentob0x> Krijali: check on #beryl
[09:20] <rixxon> bentob0x: then go with openbsd :D
 no because any use can ssh the box and sudo root
[09:20] <bentob0x> goes very well Krijali, but I have an nvidia
 no because any user
[09:20] <bentob0x> although ATI has made efforts recently
[09:21] <rixxon> not that it takes time to install, ten minutes about, includes apache
[09:21] <Krijali> bentob0x: will do thx!
 nvidia is better
[09:21] <bentob0x> ye I know insmod :)
[09:22] <bentob0x> Krijali: type in google: nvidia beryl wiki or ati beryl wiki and click on "I'm feeling lucky" instead of search
[09:22] <bentob0x> you'll get the beryl wiki that's quite good
[09:22] <Krijali> bentob0x: will do (this will be with a laptop w/ati)
[09:31] <TrueFX> hi
[09:31] <TrueFX> where is the kernel in kubuntu?
[09:31] <TrueFX> to compile a kernel where do i have to go?
[09:32] <aaron_> compiz question here...
[09:35] <budg__> TrueFX: /usr/src/linux
[09:35] <TrueFX> linux-headers-2.6.20-15          linux-headers-2.6.20-16          linux-headers-2.6.20-16-server
[09:35] <TrueFX> linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic  linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic
[09:35] <TrueFX> whihc one is active?
[09:38] <budg__> TrueFX:  "uname -r" will tell you the kernel you are running
[09:38] <ubuntu_> i'm a new user, and i would help, in french please
[09:38] <miltos> how can I check if my kubuntu make use of the nvidia drivers?
[09:40] <budg__> miltos: "glxgears" will tell you if 3d is working
[09:41] <miltos> budg_: glxgears? how do I run?
[09:42] <budg__> type it in a console or with the run command "alt F2"
[09:44] <Dusk_> miltos: in konsole write glxgears
[09:45] <miltos> Dusk_: thanks...
[09:45] <defcon> I need to know which settings file or folder system/preferences/"Sessions" uses because it does not save, My permissions seem to be wrong and I need to find the file/folder to fix the issue
[09:45] <miltos> Dusk_: gears running...is it okey?
[09:47] <budg> miltos: if you see gears its working
[09:47] <shawnyboi> hello
[09:47] <miltos> budg:thanks...
[09:48] <shawnyboi> glx gears?
[09:48] <shawnyboi> yeah its nice
[09:48] <shawnyboi> trying to get dri working?
[09:48] <miltos> budg:but my monitor settings still reports vesa instead of nvidia...
[09:48] <shawnyboi> yeah thats hard to get around sometimes
[09:49] <shawnyboi> vesa stays the display driver even tho
[09:50] <shawnyboi> ooops
[09:50] <shawnyboi> woops
[09:50] <shawnyboi> did that happen again?
[09:51] <budg> miltos: try typing "glxinfo | grep NVIDIA"
[09:52] <miltos> budg:wait..
[09:52] <budg> if it says somthing like "OpenGL version string: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.03"
[09:52] <budg> the nvidia driver is working
[09:53] <miltos> budg: i've got the error messages like...insufficient resources for operation
[09:56] <budg> hmm, ok try  lsmod | grep nvidia
[09:56] <shawnyboi> yeah try that
[09:57] <miltos> budg:nothing happens it returns to prompt
[09:57] <shawnyboi> uh oh thats not good
[09:57] <budg> well the driver is not loaded
[09:57] <shawnyboi> your nvidia graphical interface is not being loaded into the cpu unfortunately.
[09:57] <budg> how did you install the driver
[09:58] <miltos> budg: what should i do?
[10:01] <kstan> hi
[10:01] <kstan> somebody having problem keyboard not responding in java swing application?
[10:04] <kstan> Riddell:  Hi, did you facing java swing application not detect keyboard event in linux?
[10:14] <fnf> I've seen some people running another X server in a window in a KDE session. Can anyone tell me how to do that ?
[10:15] <pvandewyngaerde> xnest
[10:15] <pvandewyngaerde> xephyr
[10:19] <Stratys> excuse me but is 113 fps good?
[10:19] <fnf> pvandewyngaerde: thank you, that helps. :)
[10:31] <kstan> somebody having problem keyboard not responding in java swing application?
[10:39] <IppatsuManXYZ> Hi all. I've a problem: as soon as KDE starts, the keyboard doesn't work. It works in kdm, I can type the password, but it doesn't work after the login. Here's the content of ~/.xsession_errors : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28305/ Does anyone know how to fix it?
[10:50] <PepperBob> hi all!
[10:50] <PepperBob> i use k3b to burn cds
[10:50] <PepperBob> unfortunately it is not able to burn audio cds
[10:50] <PepperBob> it seems i'm missing something
[10:50] <PepperBob> actually i use k3b with gnome
[10:50] <PepperBob> any ideas?
[10:50] <pvandewyngaerde> why doesn't it work ?
[10:50] <PepperBob> ok got it imho
[10:51] <pvandewyngaerde> are the codecs installed ?
[10:51] <PepperBob> i was missing libk3b2-mp3
[10:51] <PepperBob> ^
[10:51] <PepperBob> not (yet) ;)
[10:51] <PepperBob> thanks anyways pvandewyngaerde!
[10:54] <BetaTester> Hi all. Anybody here with AMD turion 64 x2 CPU and custom kernel?
[10:59] <PepperBob> BetaTester, me but w/o customer kernel
[11:00] <PepperBob> using 32bit though....
[11:01] <BetaTester> PepperBob, I tried compiling a custom kernel with CPU type K8, but without success
[11:01] <BetaTester> :(
[11:04] <PepperBob> BetaTester, well... from my gentoo times: compiling a customer kernel can be a pain... :)
[11:04] <PepperBob> BetaTester, so i never did - why would you?
[11:05] <rixxon> Why would you run Ubuntu if you want to do things like recompiling the kernel and such, in the first place
[11:06] <PepperBob> rixxon, well there could be reasons for this.
[11:06] <dfeser> hi all!
[11:06] <alexicon> whats qmake?
[11:07] <alexicon> oh for qt i guess
[11:07] <alexicon> where do i find it tho
[11:07] <dfeser> is it possible to get the automount working for usb disks with ntfs?
[11:07] <dfeser> i can mount is manually with ntfs-3g
[11:07] <dfeser> but it wont work like plugging in an usb stick
[11:08] <alexicon> what package is qmake a part of?
[11:08] <alexicon> !qmake
[11:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qmake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <BetaTester> PepperBob I did it about 10 times with K7 and i686 cpus and there is 5-7% gain according to nbench
[11:11] <petre> hi
[11:12] <petre> i need some help
[11:12] <petre> pls
[11:12] <PepperBob> BetaTester, i surely doubt that you will "feel" this - just a measure
[11:13] <BetaTester> I need the best from my hardware PepperBob, I run a GUI terminal server
[11:14] <Hobbsee> !info qmake
[11:14] <ubotu> Package qmake does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:14] <Hobbsee> !info qmake gutsy
[11:14] <BetaTester> currently it is on a K7 Athlon, but I am trying to get it going on a turion 64 x2 just for a test, before I actually purchase something like conroe or amd x2
[11:14] <ubotu> Package qmake does not exist in gutsy
[11:14] <Hobbsee> alexicon: qt3-dev-tools
[11:15] <Hobbsee> matysek: please disable the away message
[11:15] <alexicon> yep just found it, cheers
[11:15] <alexicon> turns out i needed qt4 that was the prob :|
[11:16] <matysek> Hobbsee: i use it twice a day, is it a problem?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> matysek: it's annoying in #ubuntu
[11:16] <Hobbsee> matysek: if everyone used it...
[11:16] <Hobbsee> !away
[11:16] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[11:17] <matysek> Hobbsee: and what about changing nickname to nIcKnAmE? is it allowed?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> matysek: it's less annoying - people often disable joins/parts
[11:17] <Hobbsee> silent /away also works too
[11:18] <PepperBob> BetaTester, did you load your old config?
[11:20] <PepperBob> BetaTester, before you changed the processor type
[11:20] <BetaTester> PepperBob. I got it going :)
[11:20] <BetaTester> with 2.6.18
[11:21] <BetaTester> without loading the old config :)
[11:21] <PepperBob> BetaTester, great then :)
[11:21] <BetaTester> yeaah :)
[11:21] <BetaTester> I will see the difference later PapperBob
[11:23] <alexicon> whats this about?
[11:23] <alexicon> make: g++: Command not found
[11:23] <alexicon> make: *** [generated_obj/pfs.o]  Error 127
[11:23] <petre> i did install a software - scilab: but  when I load it gives me an error :/usr/bin/scilab: 28: /usr/lib/pvm3//lib/pvmgetarch: not found -> can anyone knows   what to do?
[11:24] <rixxon> !build-essential > alexicon
[11:24] <alexicon> cheers
[11:25] <rixxon> hm does that work
[11:25] <alexicon> yes
[11:25] <rixxon> I haven't used ubotu in like a year :D
[11:35] <arun> how do i scan things? i have a scanner connection and i just installed sane
[11:35] <arun> !sane
[11:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sane - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <arun> !scan
[11:35] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[11:37] <deepa> !kooka
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kooka - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <arun> i tried kooka, but i dont know how to scan using that
[11:39] <arun> deepa: have you used it to scan anything?
[11:40] <deepa> arun: i always use kooka
[11:40] <anryko> scan what?
[11:41] <arun> scan a photograph, i don't have a usb scanner, it's an old one
[11:41] <arun> canon
[11:41] <arun> i don't think it's detecting my scanner
[11:41] <arun> damn
[11:41] <anryko> kooka :)
[11:42] <arun> anyway, thanks for the help deepa, anryko
[11:42] <arun> i'll be back in a few
[11:55] <francesco_> !it
[11:55] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:11] <okay> hi
[12:13] <jussi01> hi
[12:19] <rixxon> With dynamic cpu frequency, it is stuck on the lowest when running unrar. Unrar is shit slow but a bit faster with the performance governor, can I make it work properly with dynamic?
[12:37] <enry> hello
[12:44] <DarkMageZ> hi, i'm looking for a x64 kubuntu feisty user who uses (or can use) amarok and has a feisty pbuilder setup. anyone awake who meets this and has some spare time?
[12:49] <jussi01> hmmm, you dont ask much do you...
[12:50] <etalli> It's 0649
[12:51] <DarkMageZ> jussi01, i know. such a rare kind of user. but it's for their kind benefit. (sif i'd care about an x64 issue :P)
[12:52] <jussi01> DarkMageZ: sad, i meet all the requirements... except for x64
[12:52] <jussi01> DarkMageZ: you might try asking Hobbsee
[12:53] <DarkMageZ> i was under the influence that hobbsee had an old system which would rule her out of x64 bitness?
[12:53] <jussi01> DarkMageZ: I dont know, I do know she has kubuntu though
[12:55] <Lynoure> No x64 on this one either
[12:56] <clemens> lol
[12:59] <pvandewyngaerde> i have x64, but gutsy
[01:00] <DarkMageZ> pvandewyngaerde, do you have a pbuilder setup for gutsy? i suppose gutsy will do.
[01:02] <moritz_> hallo
[01:05] <DarkMageZ> fine. i'll drop the pbuilder requirement... just to see if i'm wasting my time...
[01:06] <DarkMageZ> any x64 users got a few minutes?
[01:06] <[ifroog] > Hi.. any one uses knetworkmanager in the panel ?
[01:07] <moritz_> 60.166.112.12
[01:07] <pag> !anyone | [ifroog] 
[01:07] <ubotu> [ifroog] : A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:09] <[ifroog] > lol
[01:10] <[ifroog] > Alright, i set it to manual configure. and i now want to set it back to automatically detect wireless networks, HOW ?
[01:11] <[ifroog] > Before at right click it used to show the wirelessnetwork detected..
[01:12] <pag> [ifroog] , do you have "enable wireless" checked in right-click menu (it's under options)
[01:13] <[ifroog] > pag, yes i do..
[01:15] <pag> [ifroog] , well.. how about Manual Configuration and there try to configure your wireless interface. There's Manual and Automatic options
[01:16] <[ifroog] > pag, right now its set on dhcp.
[01:17] <[ifroog] > the icon also in the panel looks diffrent.
[01:17] <elcastor> hi
[01:18] <pag> [ifroog] , ok. Sorry, but I'm out of ideas.
[01:19] <[ifroog] > pag, even on a friend laptop i tried to manually configure lan. But then wireless too got manual.
[01:20] <[ifroog] > and the icon changed and now you can see the wireless networks around..
[01:20] <[ifroog] > well, i'll try to google..
[01:20] <pag> !wireless
[01:20] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:20] <_4strO> [ifroog] : dont understand your pb
[01:24] <[ifroog] > _4strO, you have this knetworkmanager in the panel which on rightclick you can see the wireless networks around you and click connect them. But since i click on manually configure .. I cant see the wireless network around me.
[01:24] <_4strO> mmm
[01:45] <MattJ100> Hey all, what is the difference between a primary and a logical partition?
[01:45] <MattJ100> Must the root partition be primary?
[01:45] <Olof[M] > Is this a help channel? Ktorrent is bugging me
[01:45] <_4strO> MattJ100: a logical partition can contain other partitions
[01:45] <balaji> how to mount a NTFS formatted USB harddrive?
[01:46] <_4strO> !ntfs | balaji
[01:46] <ubotu> balaji: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:46] <_4strO> Olof[M] : what's happening ?
[01:46] <Olof[M] > _4strO: I'm downloading some huge torrents, 100gb+. which seems to have messed up the program
[01:46] <_4strO> Olof[M] : see with ntfs-config
[01:46] <_4strO> oups
[01:46] <Olof[M] > whut
[01:47] <_4strO> balaji: see with ntfs-config
[01:47] <Olof[M] > I'm not used to linux at all, being forced to use it because my computer hasn't got internet connection atm.
[01:47] <balaji> i doenloaded ntfs-config but that gives a error saying gtk warning cannot open display
[01:47] <_4strO> Olof[M] : think you have to put them one by one in ktorrent
[01:47] <MattJ100> Isn't there a limit on the number of primary partitions, iirc?
[01:47] <_4strO> balaji: in a console type : kdesu ntfs-config
[01:48] <Olof[M] > _4strO: well. It worked for a while until I tried to change properties of a torrent, which messed up the proram
[01:48] <_4strO> MattJ100: max 4 primary then you can create a logical partition to go up
[01:48] <Olof[M] > _4strO: I tried to remove the torrent by deleting the temporary files, and now the program wont start at all
[01:48] <MattJ100> Ah, k
[01:49] <balaji> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[01:49] <_4strO> Olof[M] : in ~/.kde/shareapps/ktorrent ?
[01:49] <Olof[M] > yeah
[01:49] <_4strO> or something like that
[01:49] <Olof[M] > yes
[01:49] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : why did you do that? in the future use the app to remove its temp files
[01:50] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: cause the app wont start at all. it freezes and closes everytime I start it
[01:50] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : what is put on stderr?
[01:51] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: whats that?
[01:51] <Olof[M] > I don't use linux myself, but I'm forced to use it as my connection to internet for a couple of weeks
[01:51] <_4strO> balaji: ?
[01:51] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : when an application is runned from the commandline it will print debug/error messages to the Konsole, if any
[01:51] <twosouls82> did you see any messages when you tried to run it from the commandline?
[01:52] <_4strO> balaji: it will give you some erreors in the console then open the ntfs-config
[01:52] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: communication problems
[01:52] <Olof[M] > " Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 "
[01:52] <Olof[M] > 'spoe that doesn't mean anything
[01:52] <_4strO> !baddevice
[01:52] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[01:53] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : that is because of an entry in your xorg.conf for a non-existant device, that has nothing to do with KTorrent not starting up
[01:53] <twosouls82> anything else?
[01:53] <Olof[M] > yeah, sec
[01:53] <Olof[M] > terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
[01:53] <Olof[M] >   what():  St9bad_alloc
[01:55] <Olof[M] > I can paste all of it, if someone knows about that textdump site.
[01:55] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : I would advice trying to backup .kde/share/config/ktorrentrc and .kde/share/apps/ktorrent and see if KTorrent will run without your config; to see if your configuration has a little 'bug' in it
[01:55] <_4strO> Olof[M] : can you paste the result of : ls ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent ?
[01:55] <twosouls82> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[01:56] <Olof[M] > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28319/
[01:57] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: will it create new ones by default?
[01:57] <_4strO> Olof[M] : can we remove all current torrent ?
[01:57] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : yes it will, but be sure to backup the old settings first
[01:57] <balaji> yeah i could mount the device changing /etc/fstab but get no write permssions??
[01:57] <_4strO> Olof[M] : clear all torrent queued ?
[01:58] <Olof[M] > _4strO: that's the deal, I have other large torrents that has been running for a couple of weeks.
[01:58] <Olof[M] > I'd like to find a way to save them somehow.
[01:58] <_4strO> Olof[M] : are thez finished ?
[01:58] <Olof[M] > nope
[01:58] <_4strO> ok
[01:58] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : there is a part file importer plugin for KTorrent, so that wont be a problem at all
[01:59] <Olof[M] > twosouls82:  okay
[01:59] <_4strO> mmm not sure
[01:59] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : you need the original torrent that started it for it though
[01:59] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: so basically I just move the ktorrentrc file and the tempfiles? leaving nothing
[01:59] <Olof[M] > ok, that will probably not be a problem
[01:59] <_4strO> Olof[M] : what is the last operation you made before ktorrent bug ?
[02:00] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : yes, but backup the old files to be sure, and that's it
[02:00] <Olof[M] > _4strO: changed properties of a really huge torrent. it started to bug and ask for files that weren't supposed to be downloaded
[02:00] <Olof[M] > ok
[02:00] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : manually enable the Part file imported in the config and import the part files via the Menu "File"
[02:01] <omega> how can i install verlihub
[02:01] <omega> ?/
[02:01] <omega> hy
[02:01] <omega> to all
[02:01] <_4strO> Olof[M] : hwo many files are you supposed to download ?
[02:01] <balaji> _4str0 i mounted the USb by modifying the /etc/fstab file
[02:01] <_4strO> balaji: ok :p
[02:01] <balaji> but i dont get write support so i tried sudo ntfs-config
[02:01] <Olof[M] > _4strO: the torrent that caused the problem was 100 gb+ and 9000 files, but that one doesn't matter
[02:02] <Olof[M] > most of the ones I'd like to save are around 10gb
[02:02] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : MAME files?
[02:02] <twosouls82> :P
[02:02] <Olof[M] > heh, no I already got those ;)
[02:02] <balaji> it gives an option write enable for external devices
[02:02] <balaji> i selected that but i am not able to write files in the USb
[02:02] <_4strO> Olof[M] : actually looks like you dl 9 torrents right ?
[02:02] <Olof[M] > yeah
[02:02] <Olof[M] > program starts now after moving all the temp files + the config files
[02:02] <Olof[M] > file*
[02:03] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : so there was a bug in your config, caused by something you did before this happend... please find out what it was and report the bug if you can.. to prevent this from happening to others
[02:04] <twosouls82> in other words; please try to reproduce the error
[02:04] <_4strO> ^^
[02:04] <twosouls82> =)
[02:04] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: I'm fairly sure it has to do with the size of the torrent and the performance of this computer.
[02:04] <Olof[M] > hah
[02:05] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : if so, please pass me the torrent (I think I have 100G left)
[02:05] <ubuntu_> hello there
[02:05] <ubuntu_> i'm first time here
[02:05] <twosouls82> hi there ubuntu_
[02:06] <ubuntu_> may i ask something
[02:06] <twosouls82> ubuntu_ never ask that, just ask away
[02:06] <twosouls82> ;)
[02:06] <ubuntu_> ok. i have a pro
[02:06] <ubuntu_> with installing on mozzila firefox the latest macroma\edia plugin
[02:07] <_4strO> balaji: twosouls82 : after ntfs-3g installation is a reboot needed to get changes on ?
[02:07] <twosouls82> _4strO: nope, it wasn't here
[02:07] <_4strO> ok
[02:07] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: I don't think I'm allowed to share the torrent, it's one of those invite only places.
[02:07] <twosouls82> hehehe
[02:08] <Olof[M] > I can try to reproduce it if you'd say how to report it
[02:08] <balaji> no
[02:08] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : I will have a look at my underground torrent site, to see if they have such an immense torrent too
[02:08] <ubuntu_> twosouls82: i want to instal the marcomedia latest version for fireox on ubuntu. teoretial is on but my browser doesent recognize it what can i do
[02:08] <Olof[M] > :)
[02:08] <balaji> i'll check though
[02:09] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: one other thing that i've wondered about. I'm not used to how linux sorts and places files. when opening files throung firefox, as an example how can I set it to open torrentfiles with ktorrent?
[02:09] <Olof[M] > windows is pretty easy to find .exe files, but in linux I'm having trouble navigating and finding program files.
[02:10] <MattJ100> Find them in /usr/bin
[02:10] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : use kmime2mozilla from kde-apps.org, it will pass the mimetype settings from KDE to Firefox
[02:10] <ubuntu_> twosouls82: pls help me
[02:10] <Olof[M] > ok
[02:10] <Olof[M] > thanks !
[02:10] <twosouls82> ubuntu_: where did you download it and what doesn't help? (secondly never ask a person, ask the room instead)
[02:11] <twosouls82> s/help/work/
[02:11] <ubuntu_> i download it from the macromedia site
[02:12] <twosouls82> ubuntu_: where did you put it? in what directory? did you follow the readme provided with it?
[02:12] <ubuntu_> i followed the steps to depack the package and it was installed automatically
[02:12] <ubuntu_> yep
[02:12] <ubuntu_> on desktop
[02:12] <ubuntu_> to be easy to find
[02:13] <twosouls82> ubuntu_: ls /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/*flash*
[02:13] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : for bug reports you can use launchpad
[02:13] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: the bug isn't occuring anymore.
[02:14] <ubuntu_> two i serach in the synoptic and it appeared instaled
[02:14] <balaji> _4str0 reboot mounts the device but does not give write permissions
[02:14] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : strange... a glitz of AMD? +)
[02:14] <balaji> cant we write anythng into a ntfs filesystem?
[02:14] <tammy> how can I get my Acer Orbicam working on ubuntu
[02:14] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: glitz? I got a p4 on this one :/
[02:14] <ubuntu_> but when i login on the elearning cisco site it says sorry blank page it is not version over 6.0
[02:14] <twosouls82> balaji: make sure the /etc/fstab rules reads rw instead of ro
[02:15] <twosouls82> then remount it
[02:15] <tammy> I've tried going here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[02:15] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : glad you're back on a roll again
[02:15] <tammy> but I can't install the pwc, I get an error
[02:15] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: it's very weird cause the torrent took 5-10 minutes to get running first time and froze everytime I changed properties (what files to download). Now it works without problems
[02:15] <Olof[M] > yeah :)
[02:16] <Olof[M] > starting to think I was unpacking and moving files or something at the same time
[02:16] <Olof[M] > but I usually don't make such stupid thinks
[02:16] <tammy> In file included from /usr/include/linux/videodev.h:15,
[02:16] <tammy>                  from libpwc.h:29,
[02:16] <tammy>                  from pwc-dec23.h:28,
[02:16] <tammy>                  from pwc-dec23.c:29:
[02:16] <tammy> /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h:429: error: field timestamp has incomplete type
[02:16] <tammy> make: *** [libpwc.a]  Error 1
[02:16] <Olof[M] > things*
[02:16] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : you overloaded a Linux machine? :)
[02:17] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : Olof Moll btw?
[02:17] <Olof[M] > twosouls82:  dunno.. seems so. and no :)
[02:17] <twosouls82> =)
[02:17] <tammy> I can't be the only person with this issue
[02:18] <tammy> does anyone knows how to fix this web cam issue
[02:18] <MattJ100> Hmm
[02:19] <twosouls82> tammy: you're a missing some headers you'll need to compile this which declare the type of "timestamp", if I am correct
[02:19] <MattJ100> The camera is on an Acer laptop?
[02:19] <tammy> yes it is
[02:19] <tammy> and this has been a horrible transition
[02:19] <MattJ100> I'm setting up such a laptop as I speak
[02:20] <tammy> but only in the aspect of peripherals
[02:20] <tammy> the OS is great
[02:20] <tammy> so how can I fix this error
[02:20] <MattJ100> Ok, well, I'm going to reboot into the installed system (on LiveCD atm)
[02:21] <MattJ100> I'll see if I can get the camera set up, and I'll be here, so let you know if I have any similar problem
[02:21] <MattJ100> bbiaf
[02:21] <tammy> ok
[02:22] <balaji> twosouls82:my /etc/fstab has a line which i included for mounting ntfs /dev/sdb1   /media/usbmass   ntfs   user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000   0   0
[02:23] <balaji> here i am not able to find a place for including rw
[02:23] <twosouls82> balaji: "/dev/sdb5                                   /shared         ntfs-3g       defaults,locale=en_US.utf8           0       0" this one is shared rw between my Linux, Mac and Windows
[02:24] <twosouls82> balaji: with that rule you don't need to specify rw explicitely
[02:25] <balaji> ok i'll try
[02:25] <Vuen> anyone know how to get rid of the timer in kaffeine?
[02:25] <twosouls82> sudo rm /usr/bin/kaffeine +) (just joking)
[02:26] <Vuen> heh
[02:26] <twosouls82> Vuen: I have no idea what you're talking about.. could you be more precise?
[02:26] <Vuen> twosouls82: well, that would get rid of the timer ;)
[02:26] <twosouls82> it sure would
[02:26] <Vuen> there's a timer in the top left corner in fullscreen mode
[02:26] <Vuen> it won't go away
[02:26] <Vuen> just showed up today, been using kaffeine for a year
[02:27] <twosouls82> Vuen: upgraded Kaffeine lately?
[02:27] <Vuen> don't think so
[02:29] <twosouls82> Vuen: I can't reproduce this... what type of medium do you use when this happends?
[02:29] <twosouls82> happens*
[02:29] <twosouls82> heh!
[02:29] <Vuen> medium?
[02:30] <Vuen> anything
[02:30] <Vuen> any video
[02:30] <twosouls82> Vuen: I assume you accidently enabled that by pressing a keyboard button.. so I would play with those if I were having that issue
[02:31] <Vuen> me neither
[02:31] <Vuen> twosouls82: yeah, i tried pressing every button on the keyboard
[02:32] <twosouls82> Vuen: /dev/sdb5                                   /shared         ntfs-3g       defaults,locale=en_US.utf8           0       0
[02:32] <twosouls82> ooooopsss
[02:32] <twosouls82> my bad
[02:32] <twosouls82> Vuen: #kaffeine
[02:32] <IppatsuManXYZ> Hi all. I've a problem: as soon as KDE starts, the keyboard doesn't work. It works in kdm, I can type the password, but it doesn't work after the login. Here's the content of ~/.xsession_errors : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28305/ Does anyone know how to fix it?
[02:34] <BluesKaj> IppatsuManXYZ, are you on a pc or laptop?
[02:35] <IppatsuManXYZ> Black5un: A LAPTOP
[02:35] <IppatsuManXYZ> sorry for the caps
[02:36] <BluesKaj> have you tried reconfiguring your xorg file to reset your KB ?
[02:36] <IppatsuManXYZ> yes, but it didn't work, I think it's a kde problem, since gnome works fine
[02:38] <bonaldo2000> Is there a way via command-line to open an irc channel in an already open konversation-process?
[02:38] <BluesKaj> IppatsuManXYZ, do you still have gnome ? if so uninstall kubuntu-desktop and kde, then reboot and try to reinstall them
[02:40] <BluesKaj> bonaldo2000, pls expalin what you're trying to do
[02:41] <bonaldo2000> BluesKaj: ok. I am making a script that opens links in firefox in konversation. But it only works if konversation is not already open. I would like a script that is able to open the channels in an already running konversation
[02:42] <bonaldo2000> BluesKaj: this is what I have now: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P635.html
[02:42] <IppatsuManXYZ> BluesKaj: I think that I'll just reinstall everything, if there aren't other options
[02:43] <msetim> Hi
[02:45] <msetim> I'm happy because I did beryl works, however I my window preferences don't is remembered, i.e, last window position. How can I do it remember?
[02:47] <pag> !beryl | msetim
[02:47] <ubotu> msetim: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:47] <BluesKaj> bonaldo2000, in Konversation/settings/configure konverstion/general/use custom web browser... not sure if that's what you're trying to do ?
[02:47] <craig> Hi all. I hace a RaLink wireless PCI card RT2400 that I can'y get to work in Kubuntu
[02:47] <craig> says "No network device found"
[02:48] <craig> any ideas
[02:48] <tammy> Help!!!!!!!need to get Acer Orbicam working
[02:48] <msetim> ubotu: thk, i'm going there...
[02:49] <msetim> pag: Sorry, I can't understand :(
[02:49] <twosouls82> craig: http://www.flamingspork.com/blog/2005/01/14/rt2500-wireless-pci-card-on-ubuntu/
[02:49] <twosouls82> hope this helps
[02:50] <pag> msetim, I just told ubotu to tell you about #ubuntu-effects channel. I think it's better place to seek help for beryl-related issues. (Ubotu is just a bot, if you didn't know that already :)
[02:53] <craig> thanks twosouls82
[02:53] <bonaldo2000> BluesKaj: I am trying to make firefox open irc-links in konversation! And it works - but only if konversation is not already running...
[02:53] <twosouls82> np :)
[02:54] <twosouls82> craig: good luck
[02:54] <msetim> pag: I didn't know :-P... I'm seeking for help there... thanks!!
[02:56] <BluesKaj> sorry bonaldo2000...how do you expect konverstion to open links if you don't have konverstaion open ?
[02:56] <Lacrymology> how can I set kubuntu up so I can write in japanese? I installed anthy, but I don't see how to use it
[02:58] <twosouls82> Lacrymology: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Japanese_Input_and_Fonts_in_Ubuntu_7.04
[03:00] <twosouls82> I want mammie!
[03:00] <MattJ> tammy: Still there?
[03:01] <tammy> yes
[03:01] <tammy> what yah got
[03:01] <MattJ> No /dev/video0
[03:01] <MattJ> Where did you find which driver is needed?
[03:01] <tammy> I went here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[03:02] <tammy> I'll be right back
[03:02] <MattJ> k
[03:02] <bonaldo2000> BluesKaj: I want a script that is able to open links in konversation if it is not open (which I have now...it just opens konversation and joins the channel) and if it is already open (i want it to just join the channel in a new tab in the already open konversation)
[03:04] <tammy> k, so I got the same issue with the cam, /dev/video0
[03:05] <tammy> I don't ubderstand why though
[03:05] <BluesKaj> Am I just palin dense or does anyome else understand what bonaldo2000 is trying to do , just join servers or chats in an open server or auto open a server and then auto join , in konversation ?
[03:06] <MattJ> tammy: I can't find the camera in lspci/lsusb
[03:06] <tammy> mattj still here?
[03:06] <tammy> hum...I'm having the same exact issue, I bet one of these guys here know how to fix this issue though
[03:07] <tammy> we just have to get there attention
[03:07] <BluesKaj> sorry bonaldo2000 , i still get what yer trying to do
[03:07] <BluesKaj> don't
[03:07] <BluesKaj> BBL , I need coffee
[03:07] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: I think I do... it opens irc://server:port links, I think
[03:07] <bonaldo2000> BluesKaj: hehe ok. I give up in explaining it. :-)
[03:07] <pawitp> I need a ffmpeg/mencoder frontend
[03:08] <Lynoure> bonaldo2000: so, like they way klipper handles urls with konqueror, but for irc, right?
[03:08] <Lacrymology> twosouls82: ok, going through that, but it's for gnome. Is "Go to System / Administration / Language Support and select Japanese" the same as "KDE/System Settings/Regional & Language"?
[03:08] <Lynoure> s/they/the
[03:09] <bonaldo2000> Lynoure: I dont know what klipper is, sorry. All I want is just to be able to click on an irc:// link in firefox and get the channel opened in konversation!
[03:09] <BluesKaj> Lynoure, he doesn't need a script to do that
[03:10] <twosouls82> Lacrymology: Yes, I assume so... but it might as well set environment variables for your entire system, use localeconf to be complete
[03:10] <CuBe0wL> yo all
[03:10] <tammy> the issue that we are having is that we are missing kernel/drivers/media/video/pwc/pwc
[03:10] <CuBe0wL> I'd like to ask a question: kubuntu ships as a live cd too?
[03:10] <bonaldo2000> Lynoure: and right now the script I have made work. But only IF konversation is not already open.
[03:10] <tammy> so we can't compile the drivers at all
[03:10] <twosouls82> Lacrymology: hence the setting in KControl is only for the currently logged on user
[03:10] <MattJ> 'mjust trying somethinf
[03:10] <MattJ> g
[03:10] <CuBe0wL> kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso is a live cd too as a normal ubuntu?
[03:11] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: not even to open in new tab?
[03:11] <CuBe0wL> like a normal ubuntu sorry
[03:11] <tammy> once we get this going we can then install the webcam drivers and my dilema is that timestamp issue
[03:12] <Lacrymology> twosouls82: that's fine, I have only one user in this box, and there will be no others, so no problem
[03:12] <BluesKaj> Lynoure, now i understand what he means ... it works in mirc , but dunno about konverstaion
[03:12] <Lynoure> bonaldo2000: unfortunately I don't know how to get it to open in a new tab
[03:12] <pag> CuBe0wL, that one is a live-cd, yes. *-alternate* ones are not
[03:12] <CuBe0wL> pag, thx
[03:13] <MattJ> tammy: http://www.freewebs.com/gkiagia/orbicam.html
[03:13] <CuBe0wL> I'd like to move my girlfriend to linux too, so I'd like to show her KDE
[03:13] <tammy> k let me check
[03:13] <MaTiAz> CuBe0wL: Good choice :)
[03:13] <CuBe0wL> and for this kubuntu will be the best guinea pig :)
[03:13] <CuBe0wL> k, thx for the info
[03:13] <BluesKaj> Konverstaion has no automatic server list loading and connect unless preconfigured in the serverlist
[03:14] <CuBe0wL> bye all
[03:14] <bonaldo2000> Lynoure: ok...
[03:15] <tammy> yeah mattj I tried this too but it did not work for me
[03:16] <Lacrymology> uhm
[03:16] <MattJ> It gave me a /dev/video0, but that doesn't work
[03:16] <Lacrymology> I followed that tutorial, but I don't know how to write in japanese yet..
[03:17] <seishinbyou> writing in .jp?
[03:22] <tammy> ok mattj this is what I got when I tried doing the driver compile
[03:22] <tammy> tammy@tammy-laptop:~/gspcav1-20070508$ sudo make install
[03:22] <tammy> mkdir -p /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/usb/media/
[03:22] <tammy> rm -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/usb/media/spca5xx.ko
[03:22] <tammy> rm -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media/video/gspca.ko
[03:22] <tammy> install -c -m 0644 gspca.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/usb/media/
[03:22] <tammy> /sbin/depmod -ae
[03:22] <tammy> WARNING: Can't read module /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/pwc/pwc.ko: No such file or directory
[03:22] <tammy> so this is the issue: WARNING: Can't read module /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/pwc/pwc.ko: No such file or directory
[03:23] <tammy> until I get this pwc crap working that cam will not work
[03:23] <MattJ> You are sure it is the pwc driver that is needed?
[03:23] <tammy> SO can anyone please help me solve this issue
[03:23] <tammy> yes
[03:24] <MattJ> How can you tell?
[03:24] <tammy> that's why that error pops up, it does not find pwc
[03:24] <tammy> because of the warning message I got
[03:24] <tammy> WARNING: Can't read module /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/pwc/pwc.ko: No such file or directory
[03:25] <tammy> and when I try to compile the pwc files I get the timestamp issue
[03:25] <tammy> so I feel like I'erem in a catch 22 situation h
[03:26] <seishinbyou> doh, Kate does not like too many languages in one file I guess
[03:26] <seishinbyou> *crash*
[03:28] <seishinbyou> I don't know if it is a bug with scim, kate, any of the font packages, or act of God(tm)
[03:36] <tammy> mattj are you having the same issue
[03:37] <seishinbyou> wow, dbview displays dBase IV files as well (it says it only did dBase 3)...even if my company is the last on the planet still relying on dBase :/
[03:53] <Chani> W: GPG error: http://www.mirrorservice.org feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[03:53] <Chani> is that something I need to be bothered about?
[03:54] <Chani> I'm just trying to get kde 3.5.7
[03:55] <Chani> so.. I think I'll ignore it
[03:55] <BluesKaj> !KDE
[03:55] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[03:57] <Chani> wait, is that saying 3.5.7 made it into feisty proper?
[03:57] <Chani> or does it just mean this ectra mirror I'm using without the signatires?
[04:03] <BluesKaj> Chani, 3.5.7 is regarded as stable AFAIK , ...been using it for a month or so , so far so good :)
[04:03] <Xbehave> my java versions arnt showing up, how do i fix it?
[04:04] <BluesKaj> Xbehave, reinstall ?
[04:04] <BluesKaj> BBL , stuff to do
[04:05] <SillyZ> well a happy 4th to those already across the international date line
[04:05] <SillyZ> gmorning yall
[04:06] <seishinbyou> thanks?
[04:06] <Xbehave> 4th?
[04:07] <ausome_> oh yeah its just gone the 4th here now - how time flies :)
[04:07] <Xbehave> o rite the day that independence day film is set?
[04:07] <grul> !ssh
[04:07] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[04:09] <gionata> hello folks
[04:10] <SillyZ> well Ive looked at this situation from several angles, approches , etc, what is the best solution for a backup system?
[04:10] <SillyZ> drive is partitioned with the os on /dev/sda1 , swap on /dev/sda2 and /home on /dev/sda3 .....
[04:11] <gionata> I have an external HD
[04:11] <nick_> hello! I want to install my Eye Toy on this computer with Kubuntu on it but I don't know how I have to do it! can somebody help me?
[04:11] <SillyZ> Eye Toy?
[04:11] <gionata> hello sillyZ
[04:11] <SillyZ> heya gionata
[04:11] <nick_> yes, it's a 'webcam' for your playstation
[04:11] <SillyZ> aye I as well have an external usb hard drive
[04:12] <steveire> Is there a command line backup tool like rsync (incremental) that compresses the files into an archive?
[04:12] <SillyZ> tar
[04:12] <SillyZ> use the incremental switch
[04:12] <faidillinger> what's up you all. can someone please help me setup dual monitor on kubuntu ?
[04:12] <SillyZ> or rsync it then tar it at the destination
[04:13] <Xbehave> faidillinger: what card do you have?
[04:13] <SillyZ> !eyetoy
[04:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eyetoy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:13] <SillyZ> hmmm
[04:13] <nick_> on windows you can install a driver to run the camera on your PC but on Kubuntu I don't know how I have to do it
[04:13] <steveire> SillyZ: There's an incremental switch with tar? Does it work something like rsync?
[04:13] <faidillinger> Xbehave: i have an ati radeon 9250 with the opensource drivers installed
[04:14] <SillyZ> on the eye toy thing : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EyeToy#On_computer
[04:14] <nick_> thanks
[04:14] <gionata> I prouly run feisty onto a asus f3t laptop
[04:14] <SillyZ> best I can do at this early hour of the morning, theres 3 different types of camera so the driver differs from there
[04:15] <Xbehave> i only know nvidia, try !twinview > faidillinger
[04:15] <faidillinger> hey everybody i got two monitors and an ati radeon 9250 with the opensource drivers installed. can someone help me please setup a dual screen desktop for kubuntu feisty dawn. thx
[04:15] <faidillinger> Xbehave: OK thx
[04:15] <SillyZ> ahhh sorry my bad, it was an --interaactive switch i saw on the man page for tar
[04:16] <SillyZ> flame away
[04:16] <faidillinger> !twinview
[04:16] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[04:16] <gionata> I cannot use the external monitor as well
[04:16] <faidillinger> !DualHead
[04:16] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[04:16] <nick_> I've found this website:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272328
[04:16] <Xbehave> gionata: what card do you have?
[04:16] <nick_> but i've I do the first step in shell I get an error
[04:17] <Xbehave> if its intel i think you need the same guides ass faidillinger, if its nvidia then use nvidia-settings
[04:17] <nick_> I mean the second step
[04:17] <gionata> nvidia geforcego 7300
[04:17] <Chani> hey, how do I get apritude to show me what version of a package I can upgrade to, instead of what's already installed?
[04:18] <gionata> actually it's not so importanto to me the use of external but...
[04:19] <nick_> I get the following error: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:19] <Xbehave> gionata: install the nvidia binary drivers and it should come with an app to configure screens, just plugin the 2nd screen and select twinview setup in nvidia and it should work, for seperate x sessions you need to edit the same stuff as above
[04:19] <SillyZ> Im really looking for something to backup the main / (root) drive, and include the mbr so upon restoration, I  dont have to boot to another linux cd, mount the drive, chroot and reinstall grub....
[04:20] <Chani> ahh, -V
[04:20] <Chani> nick_: well then, run that! :)
[04:21] <wers> hi Kubuntu folks.. has anyone here successfully synced a Pocket PC with Fiesty?
[04:21] <nick_> k! sorry! I don't know anything about kubuntu :p
[04:22] <wers> !sync
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <SillyZ> !kitchensync
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kitchensync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <SillyZ> !multisync
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multisync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <SillyZ> bah
[04:22] <wers> multisync works.. but I cant sync with kontact
[04:22] <Chani> nick_: generally when something gives you instructions on how to fix its problem, it's good to follow them :)
[04:23] <SillyZ> wers: Id love to try it tho, I have a compaq 3955 sitting right beside me
[04:25] <steveire> !backup
[04:25] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[04:26] <SillyZ> wahahahah! I just got a pop up that my system registry was corrupted, and to download this or that to fix it .... roflmao
[04:26] <wers> Here's the thing.. since I can sync with evolution, I used evolution's calendar resource in Kontact...
[04:26] <wers> the problem is.. whenever I edit evo's calendar using kontact, there are complications
[04:27] <nick_> finally! I think it's working now! ( the second step :p -
[04:27] <SillyZ> thanks steveire
[04:27] <SillyZ> Ill check em out
[04:27] <Xbehave> wers: i also had problems trying to use kontact calenders outside of contact then gaveup
[04:28] <wers> is there a way for Evolution to use Kontact's calendar resource instead of the other way around?
[04:28] <nick_> an other question: is it possible to download msn messenger with kubuntu
[04:28] <faidillinger> i am getting crazy trying to get dual monitor working.
[04:28] <wers> I really want to use Kontact instead of Evo... it's just so much better
[04:28] <seishinbyou> Doesn't gaim do msn anyways?
[04:28] <faidillinger> is anyone in here capable of helping me
[04:29] <seishinbyou> I tried dual monitor; couldn't get it working :/
[04:29] <Xbehave> do you get errors when restarting x?
[04:29] <SillyZ> ok steveire it says that dd is a  good method, but dosent dd do the entire partition, not just the active data on the drive ? thus a much larger backup
[04:29] <Lynoure> faidillinger: did you try the stuff Xbehave recommended to you?
[04:29] <SillyZ> ya its Konversation junix|work....
[04:30] <nick_> i'm used to working with msn messenger! it would be pleasant to have msn messenger installed on this computer with kubuntu
[04:30] <Xbehave> nick_: if you just want msn try kmess it even supports winks
[04:30] <faidillinger> yes but i get two different desktop
[04:30] <nick_> k! i'll try
[04:30] <faidillinger> i am trying to get only one 'BIG' virtual desktop
[04:30] <steveire> not sure SillyZ
[04:31] <Xbehave> faidillinger: have you enabled Xinerama?
[04:31] <wers> nick_, try amsn
[04:31] <faidillinger> yes
[04:32] <Chani> nick_: it'll be a cold day in hell when microsoft programs are released for linux. ;)  try kopete or gaim. or if you're really really desperate you could try installing wine and see if you can get msn to install under that
[04:32] <wers> guys, is there a way for me to use kontact's calendar files in Evolution?
[04:32] <Xbehave> nick_: kmess will give you everything but msn live, amsn is also good, kopete, gaim ofer msn to a good standard with other protocols and plugins too
[04:33] <Xbehave> faidillinger: im not sure if ati can do 1 large desktop, anoying i know. with nvidia its just a setting for the binary drivers, perhaps ati drivers offer twinview
[04:33] <SillyZ> how about gyachi tried that one ?
[04:33] <Lynoure> faidillinger: I think if you have two desktops next to each other and have active desktop borders, it should be pretty comparable
[04:34] <SillyZ> I belive it does msn
[04:34] <faidillinger> I know i once got it working under 6.06LTS, with the same video card so i am certain that it actually works
[04:34] <faidillinger> i just cant figure out how i got it working the last time
[04:34] <SillyZ> steveire: as for dd backups, ya that'd be great but the 0 fill space has gotta be a killer and the selected partition has to be unmounted
[04:36] <Xbehave> dont suppose you backup your old xorg? faidillinger if youve dont it before it can be done, i have to go move ruble around but if you post on ubuntu forums i can try and help if no1 else does
[04:37] <faidillinger> Xbehave-away: thx a lot, i will try to do it again by myself, but if i cannot i will post on the forum thx a lot anyways
[04:37] <Cicci0> hi, kmail/kontact stopped to download my mail... someone could help me finding what's wrong now with my feisty ?
[04:37] <junix|work> i am having some trouble with my dual monitor setup, i have one monitor at 1280x1024, and what looks like another monitor setup at 800x600, but in the config, i have it setup for 1280x1024, for both monitors, i'm on debian etch
[04:37] <Cicci0> when I clic on check mail, I got a message telling that check is done but nothing really happens (I know there's a lot of mail waiting only to be downloaded...)
[04:37] <steveire> SillyZ: I'm really not experienced with it. Use a livecd to make the backup?
[04:38] <Chani> Cicci0: that happened to me yesterday
[04:39] <Cicci0> did you solve some way?
[04:39] <Cicci0> maybe some update broke something?
[04:39] <Chani> Cicci0: did you ever click the "offline mode" button on networkmanager?
[04:39] <Cicci0> yes...
[04:39] <Cicci0> Now I'm in offline mode...
[04:39] <Chani> I just logged iout and back in and it was fixed.
[04:40] <Chani> Cicci0: when I clicked the offline mode, it seemed like I got stuck in offline and couldn't get kde to come back online
[04:40] <Chani> I was not suggesting you click it!
[04:40] <Cicci0> (I must use manual configuration to be online cause here at work there isn't dhcp so I need to configure network by hand and knetworkmanager doesn't support not DHCP networks (that's foolish!!!)
[04:42] <Cicci0> so I try to go online, disable knetworkmanager, logout and come back... see if it solves...
[04:42] <seishinbyou> heh, but knetworkmanager has manual settings...
[04:45] <Cicci0> right...
[04:45] <Cicci0> so going offline in knetworkmanagers is dangerous!
[04:46] <seishinbyou> you faced the peril!
[04:46] <Lynoure> Chani, Cicci0: report a bug if there is not one reported already?
[04:47] <Cicci0> I'll do now
[04:47] <Chani> Cicci0: oh, I'm on manual too. yes, report a bug, thanks. I'm bad about those things :)
[04:48] <Cicci0> knetworkmanager should give the opportunity to load eth even if no dhcp is configured...
[04:48] <Cicci0> using actual manual configuration
[04:50] <Chani> yeah, it should.
[04:50] <Chani> seishinbyou: some of use don't get the choice
[04:50] <Chani> this school doesn't have wireless at all, and they're still using static ip's!
[04:50] <Chani> I won't start on hte proxy madness :P
[04:51] <Cicci0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/86680
[04:51] <Cicci0> it seems something related to this one
[04:51] <Chani> oh, ubuntu bug stuff...
[04:52] <Chani> heh, I always go straight to bugs.kde.org
[04:54] <txarly> ke paxa xavalessss
[04:54] <icecruncher> !es | txarly
[04:54] <ubotu> txarly: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:57] <von> hello
[04:57] <icecruncher> hi
[04:57] <von> I need some help with cups
[04:57] <icecruncher> von, sorry can't help
[04:58] <von> icecruncher, nevermind thanks
[04:58] <jhutchins> von: What sort of help?
[04:59] <von> I closed the port 631, and now printing is no more avaiable
[04:59] <georgios> hello!!
[04:59] <jhutchins> von: Right.
[04:59] <von> but it works for test pages
[04:59] <georgios> can someone help I am having trouble with my nvidia
[05:00] <georgios> ??
[05:00] <jhutchins> von: That's because the test page generation is internal.
[05:00] <jhutchins> !nvidia | georgios
[05:00] <ubotu> georgios: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:00] <Dr_willis> georgios,  going to have to get more specific then that.
[05:00] <georgios> of course
[05:00] <von> so what can I do?
[05:00] <georgios> i installed everyway possible
[05:00] <jhutchins> von: Open that port, or reconfigure cups to use a different port and open that.
[05:01] <georgios> when installing inside kubuntu I press ctrl+alt+backspace and i see the driver working perfectly
[05:01] <Dr_willis> And here i go just installing the nvidia-glx package, or using the restricted-drivers tool... :)
[05:01] <von> jhutchins: I want to use a cups server
[05:01] <georgios> but when i restart everything goes black
[05:01] <Cicci0> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147500 hope I've been just clear...
[05:01] <jhutchins> von: Fine, open the port.
[05:01] <Dr_willis> So the driver works, untill you reboot , is what you are trying to say?
[05:01] <georgios> yes
[05:02] <georgios> i have the logs if anyone is interested
[05:02] <von> but I'm the client I dont need to open the port?
[05:02] <jhutchins> von: Two-way communication.
[05:03] <georgios> I run Kubuntu on Athlon 2000 +nvidia fx5900
[05:03] <von> jhutchins: so you say it wont work if i dont open port 631
[05:03] <georgios> can you help?? i am running a bit desperate
[05:03] <Dr_willis> georgios,  may want to check the Ubunut/kubuntu wiki/forums - if this is a commonproblem - it will be mentioned there.  Its proberly just a  module loading issue.
[05:05] <spheard> Ive lost the taskbar!!!
[05:05] <georgios>  i already checked
[05:05] <georgios> i don't know but i haven't found anything but more people with my problem
[05:05] <spheard> I had it set to appear on mouseover, but now, its gone for good
[05:05] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis
[05:05] <georgios> if they found a solution i don't know
[05:05] <Dr_willis> Hay min.
[05:06] <Minataku> I'm gonna get a DECstation 5000/33 and a SPARCbook 3GX :D
[05:06] <georgios> can you take a look at my xorg.conf?? I am a beginner to know what went wrong
[05:06] <Dr_willis> georgios,  Ive never had the problem. or heard of a fix in here. So cant tell ya much more. Id bett that its a module loading issue.
[05:06] <spheard> whats the kde gnome-panel
[05:06] <Dr_willis> georgios,  i doubt if its an xorg.conf issue.  You could check the file see if the 'driver nv' line is 'driver nvidia' or not. thats about all the change to the xorg.conf  needs.
[05:07] <georgios> it is nvidia
[05:07] <georgios> i also have the xorg.0 log file available
[05:09] <spheard> hi, Im really up s**t creek here, my task panel has just disapeared completely, can anyone tell me the name of the kde panel binary, or suggest how I might get it back?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> could see what modules are loaded when it does work..  compared to what modules are loaded(or not loaded) when it dosent work
[05:09] <etalli> spheard:  kicker
[05:09] <Dr_willis> then put the modules to load in the autoloadmodules file.
[05:10] <etalli> spheard: Alt-F2, type kicker, press enter
[05:10] <georgios> a bit more specific?? i am a begginer... sorry
[05:10] <spheard> etalli: kicker is already running
[05:11] <frojnd> na mapo kliknes
[05:11] <frojnd> enkrat
[05:11] <frojnd> pol pa prtisnes f2
[05:11] <frojnd> in pol prtisnes: ctrl + c
[05:11] <frojnd> in pol v prazno kliknes
[05:11] <frojnd> in pol sm kliknes
[05:11] <frojnd> in prtisnes ctrl + v
[05:11] <frojnd> pardon
[05:11] <frojnd> why when I play vmw videos on every some and a while pictures go crazy, everything is blured and I can see squares..
[05:11] <spheard> I set it to hide, and to appear on mouse to the bottom of the screen
[05:12] <etalli> spheard: ?  Try opening a terminal window: konsole, and type killall kicker, then kicker.  That'll relaunch it.
[05:12] <etalli> Or it should
[05:12] <Dr_willis> georgios,  You may want to spend some time learning some shell basics, and how to edit files in the shell.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> georgios,  # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
[05:12] <spheard> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[05:12] <Dr_willis> that is the file that 'autoloads' the various modules
[05:13] <Dr_willis> !baddevice
[05:13] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[05:13] <spheard> etalli:
[05:13] <Dr_willis> georgios,  the command 'lsmod' shows what modules are loaded at any given time
[05:13] <spheard> where are the kicker settings stored?
[05:14] <georgios> ok dr willis I will do my best
[05:14] <etalli> spheard: I'm not sure, let me check
[05:14] <Dr_willis> spheard,  in .kde somewhere. :)
[05:15] <etalli> spheard: ~/.kde/share/config/  file called kickerrc
[05:15] <Dr_willis> !info restricted-drivers
[05:15] <ubotu> Package restricted-drivers does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:16] <Dr_willis> !info  restricted-manager
[05:16] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 300 kB
[05:16] <Dr_willis> georgios,  you could also install that '  restricted-manager ' package and run it. and  let it install the nvidia drivers. It may tweak it right
[05:18] <georgios> so far i tried installing with adept , automatix, ubuntu instructions and envy
[05:18] <spheard> Dr_willis: etalli: thankyou
[05:18] <georgios> they all failed
[05:18] <etalli> spheard:  glad that helped :)
[05:18] <spheard> I think I may have found a bug :-)
[05:18] <etalli> spheard:  oooh, what kind of bug?
[05:19] <spheard> well, I set the bar to hide, and to appear on mouse to the bottom of the screen, It worked for a while, then I never saw it again :-/
[05:19] <Dr_willis> georgios,  its hignly likely that 'trying' all the things at random like that. (using the windows method of thinking) did break somnthing.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> In short DONT use automatix, and you dont need to use envy.
[05:20] <etalli> weird, you might want to report it.
[05:20] <etalli> Anyway, I have to go
[05:20] <Minataku> !automatix
[05:20] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:20] <Dr_willis> georgios,  but the problem stays the same eh? it works after you install the nvidia-glx, package, but not after a reboot?
[05:20] <georgios> yes
[05:21] <georgios> i can run perfectly anything with ctrl+alt+backspace but not on rebboot
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Given that my pc's have 5+week uptimes. :) heh heh.
[05:21] <frojnd> how can I tar some file with all extensions so I can tar it to specific folder. Like this? tar -xzvf file.tar.gz specificfolder    ??
[05:21] <georgios> and kubuntu is so much faster and way better looking with 3d accelaration
[05:22] <Dr_willis> so to further clarify...  You install the nvidia drivers, restart the X server, they work. then you reboot.. and they dont workl. You have to reinstall the drivers.
[05:22] <georgios> yes
[05:22] <Dr_willis> use the lsmod command, befor they work, and after they work. see what modules are loaded.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> then perhaps try manuaally loading the modules.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> georgios,  you have installed install that '  restricted-manager ' package  and ran it?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> there is a check box it offers that enables/disables the driver,
[05:23] <SillyZ> ok heres one for the gurus, Im running a dell e-1705 laptop, its supposed to have a serial-ata (sata) hard drive on it, should the drives be recognized by linux as /dev/sda? or /dev/hda ?
[05:23] <georgios> i installed but not ran it
[05:24] <georgios>  i am searching on the web on how to run it , too embarassed to ask you
[05:24] <georgios> :)
[05:24] <Dr_willis> georgios,  the command is 'restricted-manager' :)
[05:24] <Dr_willis> res<tab>
[05:25] <georgios> i should uninstall the previous drivers though first right???
[05:25] <Dr_willis> it should add an icon to the menus, and to the panel
[05:25] <Dr_willis> georgios,  no idea.  Youve tried so much. its hard to tell what to do at this time.
[05:25] <Dr_willis> Id say No. :)
[05:26] <Dr_willis> For the record. all i normally do on a new install is install/run restricted-manager, and it installs the nvidia stuff for me.
[05:26] <SillyZ> !sata
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <georgios> well it says it needs restart... so wish me luck
[05:27] <spheard> I'm having problems using my new USB harddisk, Ive plug it in to the USB and get;-->> Jul  3 16:24:46 andrew-laptop kernel: [  811.884660]  usb 6-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3; Jul  3 16:24:46 andrew-laptop kernel: [  811.944444]  usb 6-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice; Jul  3 16:24:46 andrew-laptop kernel: [  811.944588]  scsi5 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices. <<-- but its not assigning it a /dev
[05:30] <Lattyware> OK, what is kwallet called? To launch from a terminal?
[05:31] <SillyZ> try this spheard  fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[05:31] <SillyZ> see if theres any partitions there
[05:31] <SillyZ> providing you dont have a second ide drive already on sdb, its where it put my external usb drive
[05:32] <spheard> SillyZ: wehay, jst have to format the bugger then :-)
[05:32] <SillyZ> did ya find it ?
[05:32] <jhutchins_lt> spheard: sudo fdisk -l will list all known devices, just to be sure.
[05:32] <SillyZ> agreed with jhutchins there
[05:33] <Dr_willis> well georgios never came back... guess it dident work
[05:35] <SillyZ> is there a util beyond hdparm thatll tell me how my system is preforming compared to othersystems, isnt it like bonnie or something?
[05:35] <georgios> failed once again
[05:36] <georgios> its my fourth day trying
[05:36] <Dr_willis> georgios,  i would have to say get back to a 'sane' setup by reinstalling, and just using the 'restricted-drivers' package/tool
[05:37] <Dr_willis> dont even LOOK at automatix, or envy :)
[05:37] <Dr_willis> OR
[05:37] <Dr_willis> you coudl just try adding the 'nvidia' line to the /etc/modules file
[05:37] <georgios> i will look into the xorg log files and see what i can find
[05:37] <nooblinuxuser> i need some help installing kubuntu on my raid hard drive system, i did all the steps this link told me but when i boot the system up it gives me grub loading please wait then it shows error 2
[05:38] <nooblinuxuser> http://www.iki.fi/kuparine/comp/ubuntu/raid.html
[05:38] <georgios> i will
[05:38] <spheard> how do I persuade my usb drives to automount?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> if the xorg logs says it cant find the module nvidia, then ya could try to load it manually. but its odd.
[05:38] <spheard> oh, Its all working now :-)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> spheard,  some times i got to unplug/plug mine in to kick them inthe head
[05:39] <SillyZ> what video card georgios?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> well i gotta run. take care ya all.
[05:39] <nooblinuxuser> can anyone help?
[05:40] <grul> hay, did you know katapult can be used as a calculator? :)
[05:40] <grul> just type in some numbers and operators
[05:40] <georgios> goodbye
[05:40] <georgios> and thank you
[05:44] <spheard> It seems that I dont have permission to access m auto mounted USB drive, how can I fix this?
[05:46] <SillyZ> unmount the drive from /media/sdb1 then chmod 775 sdb1, remount, and you should be good
[05:46] <SillyZ> thats the hard way of doing it tho
[05:46] <SillyZ> pmount is supposed to mount devices like that with write access
[05:47] <spheard> hmmm
[05:47] <georgios> can anybody else help with my nvidia driver problem???
[05:47] <bjwebb> how do i open kde from a terminal?
[05:47] <spheard> do you think a 5.0 mb/s transfer is slow?
[05:47] <spheard> bjwebb:startx
[05:47] <SillyZ> startx or kdm
[05:56] <mike-kubuntu> hey, i'm trying to configure a dyndns update client to get my ip, but i'm going through a router and i dont want it to send my internal ip
[05:56] <mike-kubuntu> any tips?
[06:02] <spheard> mike-kubuntu: your router should do it
[06:03] <spheard> mike-kubuntu what type of router do you have?
[06:03] <mike-kubuntu> spheard: lynksys
[06:03] <spheard> mike-kubuntu: yeah, there should be a dynamic DNS section
[06:04] <spheard> there is on my netgear
[06:04] <mike-kubuntu> spheard: nice, never heard of that, thanks
[06:04] <spheard> np
[06:10] <mike-kubuntu> spheard: can you give me any tips on why ftp isn't working, i have ports 80, 20, and 21 forwarded to my computer and vsftpd runing, i can ftp using sftp but any graphical client either faiils while trying to retrieve my tree structure or returnes a "500 OOPS: child died"
[06:11] <spheard> um
[06:12] <spheard> mike-kubuntu I have never used ftp, I just use sftp Im afraid
[06:12] <mike-kubuntu> spheard: thanks, me 2
[06:13] <spheard> mike-kubuntu: why do you want ftp?
[06:15] <led> hello!
[06:15] <mike-kubuntu> I'm trying to set up my home computer so i can work on it remotely from my laptop. i want the graphical ftp because if you open a file in kate when you ft through konqueror it will automatically upload new versions as you save it
[06:15] <led> i'm italian and so i excuse me for the bas english ^^
[06:15] <stanisa> make sure you forward udp as well as tcp on ports 20 and 21
[06:15] <led> i want tell you
[06:16] <led> what have the ati xpress 200M?
[06:16] <mike-kubuntu> stanisa: thanks
[06:19] <mike-kubuntu> stanisa: can you point me to a how-to or guide on forwarding udp/tcp to a specific port?
[06:20] <JohnFlux> mike-kubuntu: you can always use ssh  and use fish in konqueror
[06:20] <crash_> Is there an application to allow Kubuntu to access a windows server terminal services?
[06:22] <stanisa> mike-kubuntu: what kind of firewall are you using? A linux box or a cable/DSL router?
[06:22] <mike-kubuntu> stanisa: cable/DSL router
[06:23] <jonest73> crash_: I believe krdc is what you are looking for. It should be in the menu under Internet.
[06:23] <stanisa> then you will have to read the user guide. Wherever you forwarded the ports, there should have been a selection of tcp/udp/all
[06:23] <crash_> hah, found one
[06:24] <mike-kubuntu> stanisa: just found a packages called udptunnel, do clients need any special information to know to look to the ssh port for udp packets or will they try that by default?
[06:26] <stanisa> mike-kubuntu: for that, you would require a linux box to be your firewall. Not the case here...
[06:30] <alie> hai
[06:30] <alie> how to join motu team ??
[06:33] <vprints> You have to package stuff and prove you are good packager =)
[06:34] <adam> anyone familiar with kommander?
[06:34] <georgios> how can i uninstall kubuntu safely???
[06:35] <georgios> note i have dual boot
[06:35] <jhutchins_lt> mike-kubuntu: Many routers can do that, but how to would be specific to that router.
[06:36] <stanisa> georgios: use Windows CD to boot into recovery mode and run "fixmbr
[06:36] <saman> hi... can someone help? trying to set the image on my TV
[06:36] <saman> image and sound
[06:36] <stanisa> georgios: then boot into Windows and delete Kubuntu partition usinf disk manager
[06:37] <georgios> thank you
[06:37] <adam> i'm writting a kommander program and i use kdessh for some remote commands, but when i have "kdessh user@hostname" kommander keeps thinking @hostname is a command, how do i tell it its not?
[06:39] <saman> hi... can someone help? trying to set the image on my TV
[06:40] <stanisa> saman: give us some info on what you are trying to do, your hardware, things already tried etc.
[06:41] <psicobra> hi all
[06:41] <psicobra> how do i configure things like scanners etc i cant seem to find a tool
[06:41] <stanisa> psicobra: look for xsane
[06:41] <TeraDyne> psicobra: Kooka or XSane
[06:42] <saman> stanisa: after I upgraded to feisty it never worked. but I'm trying to set picture on the TV and the sound through fiberoptics
[06:42] <psicobra> yes i have those but i need to change the scanner driver
[06:42] <psicobra> the one that ubuntu chose works but not properly
[06:42] <tom__> I need some help with nvidia drivers
[06:43] <stanisa> saman: sorry man, never done via fibreoptics, I can't help
[06:43] <saman> stanisa.... ok... thanx anyway
[06:43] <psicobra> tom__: what is your problem
[06:44] <tom__> when I attempt to set up my card/drivers I get a grey screen when I use the test button.
[06:44] <tom__> I have a gforce 6600
[06:44] <psicobra> how have you installed the drivers?
[06:45] <psicobra> from nvidia.com or through package manager
[06:45] <tom__> they were working ok until the last update. Now I get notices that my card isn't configured for 3d support
[06:45] <tom__> should I reinstall from nvidia?
[06:46] <pyrotix> I installed phpmyadmin, how do I log in?
[06:46] <psicobra> tom__: no harm in trying
[06:46] <tom__> I'll try that thanks
[06:46] <_4strO> pyrotix: http://localhost/phpmyadmin/
[06:47] <pyrotix> _4strO: what do I log in with?
[06:47] <pyrotix> _4strO: I have gotten that far
[06:47] <_4strO> user : root, pass : nothing
[06:47] <_4strO> per default
[06:48] <adam_> i'm writting a kommander program and i use kdessh for some remote commands, but when i have "kdessh user@hostname" kommander keeps thinking @hostname is a command, how do i tell it its not?
[06:48] <pyrotix> _4strO: " #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured)" is returned
[06:49] <_4strO> pyrotix: dpkg -l | grep mysql in a terminal
[06:49] <_4strO> pyrotix: you have a line with ii mysql-server-5.0 ??
[06:50] <_4strO> or something like this
[06:52] <pyrotix> _4strO: I think I may have found what I did wrong, the last thing in the ubuntu tutorial still need me to press 'y' for it to install
[06:52] <pyrotix> >.<
[06:52] <analfabeta> how i install kickoff (kde menu of suse) in kubuntu ?
[06:53] <_4strO> adam_: LINK=user@hostname; "kdessh user@$LINK" ???
[06:54] <_4strO> adam_: LINK='user@hostname'; "kdessh user@$LINK" ???
[06:54] <ksivaji> ext3 partition not allowing me to write as subuse sivaji
[06:54] <_4strO> would be better :p
[06:54] <ksivaji> ext3 partition not allowing me to write as subuser* sivaji
[06:54] <adam_> _4strO: ok i'll try that, thanks
[06:54] <ksivaji> jucato :
[06:55] <_4strO> adam_: i'm not sure about thet, just a suggestion :)
[06:55] <_4strO> shell have just a crazy syntax:p
[06:56] <ksivaji> _4strO adam_ can you help me
[06:57] <_4strO> adam_: adam_: LINK='user@hostname'; "kdessh $LINK" :p say me if it works
[06:58] <adam_> _4strO: didn't work, looks like having a @ anywhere makes kommander assume its a command, maybe something like @@ or /@ is needed
[06:59] <_4strO> adam_: think the problem is that 'hostname' is a command
[07:00] <adam_> _4strO: no i had it as ktv.local, which is the computer i'm accessing remotelys, hostname
[07:01] <adam_> _4strO: infact anything after an @ even symbols get assumed as commands :/
[07:01] <_4strO> adam_: never heard that :p
[07:02] <adam_> _4strO: I looked through the handbook and nothing about what to do when you want a @ in a command
[07:03] <_4strO> adam_: i imagine that you tried \@
[07:05] <adam_> _4strO: yes
[07:06] <adam_> _4strO: annoyingly the editor then stops colouring it green like a command but it still brings up an error about ktv (or whatever hostname) not being a command
[07:11] <Adam> _4strO: ah i solved it i had user=adam@; exec(kdessh $user ktv.local)
[07:12] <_4strO> Adam: nice shot :)
[07:13] <enry> hi
[07:14] <_4strO> Adam: exec(kdessh adam@ktv.local) works too ?
[07:14] <_4strO> !salute
[07:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about salute - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:14] <_4strO> !hi
[07:15] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:15] <_4strO> !hi | enry
[07:15] <ubotu> enry: please see above
[07:15] <_4strO> ^^
[07:16] <enry> ??
[07:16] <_4strO> nothing ....
[07:17] <Adam> _4strO: no, you get an error saying ktv isn't a command
[07:17] <r00t_> whats the apt-get for installing drivers for fglx?
[07:17] <snutte82> #sweden
[07:18] <Adam> r00t: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:19] <Adam> r00t: have you considered aiglx instead of xgl, its far more stable and courses less problems
[07:21] <_4strO> Adam: i will never understand the bash syntax :p
[07:21] <r00t_> adam_: im not sure what i need crdlb was helping me yesterday but my comp was fubard so i had to reinstallteh card i have is a ati radeon Xpress 1150 and im trying to setup beryl/compiz
[07:24] <r00t_> adam_: ^^
[07:31] <treKrem> hi everybody.
[07:31] <treKrem> i got a question concerning volume hotkeys on a laptop
[07:32] <treKrem> the keys are working and changing the volume already
[07:32] <treKrem> but i would like to decrease the interval
[07:32] <treKrem> wher could i set that up in kubuntu?
[07:34] <r00t_> isnt there one apt-get command that install all restricted codecs?
[07:34] <xaaax> what is the configuration file in kde that stores "Monitor & Display" refresh rate?
[07:35] <treKrem> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[07:35] <jhutchins> xaaax: kde doesn't really handle that, it's xorg, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:35] <jhutchins> xaaax: Most modern setups just query the monitor at runtime though.
[07:36] <r00t_> !codecs
[07:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:37] <xaaax> jhutchins: I know, but in xorg.conf there is no refresh rate information. I mean, it has the boundaries of refresh rate, but not the exact rate I want
[07:37] <xaaax> I can't specify 85, it only says: 45-90
[07:37] <jhutchins> xaaax: see if krandrtray does anything for you.
[07:38] <jhutchins> xvidtune might also be useful for generating a specific rate.
[07:39] <xaaax> the thing is, I know I can get 85 because I had it before. But now, kde just won't let me select that option
[07:40] <pyrotix> trying to start apache2 I get: "
[07:40] <pyrotix> apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[07:40] <pyrotix> (98): make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[07:40] <pyrotix> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[07:40] <pyrotix> Unable to open logs
[07:40] <pyrotix> "
[07:41] <pyrotix> what do I need to fix
[07:41] <pyrotix> I guess I shoulda used pastebin >.<
[07:42] <admin_> esapaol?
[07:43] <admin_> quien habla esPAOL?
[07:44] <llutz> !es| admin_
[07:44] <ubotu> admin_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:45] <aos101> @pyrotix: Are you starting apache as root using sudo?  I get that error if I don't start it as root.
[07:47] <pyrotix> aos101: I need to create a root account? If I su to do it, how do I log out of root?
[07:49] <aos101> You don't need to create a root account.  Just put sudo before the command to start apache and it will run the one command as root.
[07:50] <aos101> These are the commands they recommend to start/stop apache: http://tinyurl.com/3yu8kc
[07:52] <r00t_> wheres the menu icon for restricted drivers manager in kubuntu?
[07:53] <pyrotix> aos101, I was using sudo
[07:53] <pyrotix> using the commands recommended to start I get:
[07:53] <msetim> Someone install the vmware on kubuntu 64 bits?
[07:53] <pyrotix> pyrotix@monolith:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/apache2ctl start
[07:53] <pyrotix> apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[07:54] <pyrotix> and to stop I got
[07:54] <pyrotix> apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[07:54] <r00t_> msetim: automatix claims it can do it
[07:54] <jhutchins> !automatix
[07:54] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[07:55] <jhutchins> !sudo | pyrotix
[07:55] <ubotu> pyrotix: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:55] <jhutchins> !kdesu | pyrotix
[07:55] <ubotu> pyrotix: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:55] <aos101> I got that error when I installed it also.  They have a fix for that error here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP?highlight=%28apache%29#head-42714b7a81f075c4f6024b8e0a36e2fccb11fdbd
[07:56] <r00t_> dose kubuntu even have a menu item for restricted drivers?
[07:59] <r00t_> noone here knows wether or not kubuntu has a gui interface to install restricted drivers?
[08:02] <pyrotix> aos101: thank you very much, it now starts up properly. So now if someone http's to either my IP or a webdomain linked to my IP they will be served /var/www ?
[08:02] <jhutchins> r00t_: You're thinking of Windows.
[08:03] <aos101> pyrotix: Yes, thats right.
[08:04] <r00t_> jhutchins: never mind i found it,and no im not thinking of windows ive had 5 years of therapy to prevent that
[08:05] <pyrotix> aos101, and if their is a html/php file in their called index, it will appear in their web browser?
[08:06] <r00t_> jhutchins:  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic restricted-manager
[08:07] <bentob0x> is there any way to use regex for searching Contents in Konqueror file browser?
[08:08] <aos101> pyrotix: Whether pages called index will automatically appear depends on the setup of apache.  Try it and see if it works.
[08:13] <vzduch> evening :)
[08:16] <psygrass> i have a problem when i try to restart my computer a black screen appears without the progress bar and the computer hangs so that i have to shut it down manually...is there a way to fix that?
[08:18] <psygrass> this happens in kubuntu only (not ubuntu)
[08:22] <vzduch> could it be that gs is somewhat broken in *buntu? I tried printing an email (HTML) to PDF from KMail, but it aborts w/ an unexpected error from gs.. same in Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[08:27] <Daisuke_Ido> vzduch: um... no?  i just tried and it worked fine, haven't changed any settings
[08:29] <grul> !java
[08:29] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[08:30] <vzduch> here it says 'Abnormal process termination"
[08:31] <vzduch> for info: gs default settings, I haven't touched them since installing Kubuntu
[08:40] <vzduch> Daisuke_Ido: do you think there is a way to reset the gs settings in KMail to default? I always took over my customized kmailrc from my previous installation, perhaps that's where the dog lies buried ;)
[08:44] <Dusk_> !kdesu
[08:44] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:48] <psygrass> when i restart or shutdown, the computer hangs and doesn't shutdown, is there a way to fix this please?
[08:48] <r00t_> how do i edit my sources options inside a gui?ubuntu has it in the system menu
[08:52] <BONETHUGS333> hi
[08:52] <xcx> nobody? :D
[08:52] <xcx> hi
[08:56] <Minataku> genii! :D
[08:56] <Minataku> Heya :3
[08:56] <genii> Minataku: Heyas
[08:56] <Minataku> So what's the status?
[08:57] <needhelplease> if my partition is "sda4" how does that translate to (hd0)
[08:57] <genii> Minataku: Got the package weaned down, need to wait for next paycheque to send
[08:57] <dwidmann> needhelplease: hd0 could be the drive on which sda4 resides
[08:57] <Minataku> How much is it going to end up coming out to?
[08:57] <dwidmann> needhelplease: in other words, sda translates to hd0
[08:57] <Minataku> Because I've got another two packages to pay for now XD
[08:58] <dwidmann> needhelplease: and sda4 is likely (hd0,3)
[08:58] <genii> Minataku Don't worry, I got it. Just things are a bit tight right now
[08:58] <Minataku> genii: I know ^^
[08:58] <Minataku> Er
[08:58] <Minataku> Rather, it's okay
[08:58] <needhelplease> ok im trying to get ubuntu installed with grub on root part, my root partition would be sda4
[08:58] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm a bit mixed up at the moment
[08:58] <Minataku> XD
[08:59] <genii> Minataku np :)
[08:59] <omega> hy
[08:59] <dwidmann> needhelplease: "sudo grub-install /dev/sda4" should work, and it may even be somewhat more "foolproof" (less room for error)
[08:59] <genii> Minataku Finally got the wire to my office in the basement so will be on more daytime now
[08:59] <Minataku> genii: Wait, so you'll pay the shipping? Is that what you're saying? :o
[08:59] <Minataku> genii: Nice :D
[09:00] <genii> Minataku Yes, I'm paying the shipping so don't sweat it
[09:00] <needhelplease> do this from live cd ??
[09:00] <dhq> is there anyway to tweak the uptime of the machine
[09:00] <Minataku> Awesome, thanks :3
[09:00] <omega> any one knows a link for multimedia problems?
[09:00] <dwidmann> needhelplease: Yeah, that's how I usually do it
[09:00] <Minataku> dhq: You mean cheat?
[09:00] <crash_> Mornin everyone
[09:00] <dhq> yes
[09:00] <dhq> Minataku, yes
[09:00] <genii> sorta AFK a while
[09:01] <Jaywad> Has anyone here gotten Firefox to run Windows Media Player video streams?
[09:01] <Minataku> dhq: Yeah, there probably is, but I'm gonna make you work for your cheats
[09:01] <needhelplease> I was using (hd0:3) not (hd0,3) this could be the problem
[09:01] <dhq> Minataku, tell me
[09:01] <Minataku> dhq: I don't know any
[09:01] <Minataku> Nor am I gonna look
[09:01] <dhq> oh
[09:02] <dwidmann> needhelplease: could be, grub is pretty finicky about syntax.
[09:02] <Minataku> Why the dishonesty?
[09:02] <Minataku> Trying to outdo a friend?
[09:02] <Minataku> Just be careful you don't set it too high
[09:02] <dhq> Minataku, well i switched of a machine i will be screwed tommro
[09:02] <Minataku> dhq: Make an excuse
[09:02] <needhelplease> ok thanx
[09:02] <dhq> Minataku, i may get fired
[09:02] <Minataku> Tell them it was making a bad noise
[09:03] <Minataku> So you had to shut it down to protect the machine and investigate
[09:03] <Minataku> Then tell them you pulled something out of the fan
[09:03] <dwidmann> Minataku: how devious :D
[09:03] <dhq> Minataku, nothing works there
[09:03] <Minataku> You'll be hailed as a hero
[09:03] <dhq> Minataku, i will try to google
[09:04] <Minataku> Now, if you walked past a machine making a nasty buzzing noise, wouldn't you shut it off?
[09:04] <dhq> the machine are maintained weekly
[09:04] <dwidmann> dhq: well, after you tweak your uptime, be sure to modify the logs too.
[09:04] <Minataku> That doesn't mean something can happen between maintenances
[09:04] <alexchizh> hi
[09:05] <Minataku> Yeah, there's a lot more clues to the machine going down than uptime
[09:05] <RivaeAerya> Is it worth switching to KDE from GNOME if you are used to GNOME completely?
[09:05] <dhq> Minataku, well they look at uptime mainly
[09:05] <Minataku> I'd go with the "audible operational discrepancy" tactic
[09:05] <juan> hello
[09:05] <Minataku> dhq: And sorry for giving you trouble
[09:05] <alexchizh> hello
[09:05] <needhelplease> is there a root pass for the live cd
[09:06] <needhelplease> for using sudo
[09:06] <TeraDyne> needhelplease: no.
[09:06] <dwidmann> needhelplease: no
[09:06] <needhelplease> thnx
[09:06] <Minataku> dhq: But really, I'd go for the "it was making a nasty grinding noise" tactic, myself
[09:07] <Minataku> Make it look like you saved the day instead of screwing up
[09:07] <dwidmann> Failing any of these excuses, you tripped over the power cord.
[09:07] <dhq> Minataku, well i need to know a way to set the uptime
[09:07] <Minataku> Or "Bill" tripped over the power cord
[09:08] <Minataku> Or "Julie from Marketing, the one with the big fat ass" sat on the keyboard and it rebooted
[09:08] <dhq> lol
[09:08] <dwidmann> as per the uptime, try modifying /proc/uptime
[09:09] <vbanait> hi anybody using gnumed
[09:09] <Minataku> If all else fails, in the words of Homer Simpson... blame the guy who doesn't speak any English
[09:09] <Minataku> Or a janitor
[09:09] <vbanait> GNUMed anybody used it
[09:10] <vbanait> i have difficulty setting up gnumed
[09:10] <dwidmann> vbanait: not I
[09:11] <polopolo> Hello all, how can I make a folder in /opt/?
[09:11] <Minataku> sudo mkdir /opt/blahblah
[09:11] <rysiek|pl> polopolo: why would you need one?
[09:12] <polopolo> virtualbox
[09:12] <binks> ok i have a virtual dvb adapter but if i try to scan with it i get
[09:12] <pyrotix> polopolo: kdesu konqueror, then go to /opt and you can right click make director
[09:12] <vbanait> anybody help me set up GNUmed. i will allow remote connection
[09:12] <rysiek|pl> polopolo: ah. ok, in that case go with Minataku's suggestion
[09:12] <Minataku> polopolo: Just make a directory for it in /home
[09:12] <Minataku> That'd be best, then tell it to use that
[09:12] <binks>  open '/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0': 1 Operation not permitted
[09:12] <Minataku> vbanait: Please do not ask so often
[09:12] <pyrotix> can someone visit http://70.48.13.214/? I'm trying to set up apache
[09:12] <pyrotix> gah
[09:12] <Minataku> If nobody has an answer, they won't answer you, this is to reduce channel congestion
[09:13] <pyrotix> can someone visit http://70.48.13.214/ ? I'm trying to set up apache
[09:13] <Minataku> Please keep asking frequency to 15min
[09:13] <vbanait> i am trying to get help for last 15 days
[09:13] <Minataku> vbanait: I've been here the past 15 days
[09:13] <Minataku> This is the first time I've ever seen you
[09:13] <vbanait> great. then please help me
[09:14] <Minataku> I don't use GNUmed
[09:14] <Minataku> And it's possible nobody here does
[09:14] <posingaspopular> pyrotix: i tried visiting but i timed out before ihit the server
[09:14] <pyrotix> thank you posing
[09:14] <posingaspopular> pyrotix: i hope that helps
[09:14] <Minataku> pyrotix: Same here
[09:14] <pyrotix> not as much as it could >.<
[09:14] <vbanait> where should i seek help
[09:15] <dwidmann> vbanait: try #ubuntu, more people in that room, > chance that someone there uses it.
[09:15] <pyrotix> If people can't make external connections to apache, what should I do?
[09:15] <Minataku> If all else fails, check the documentation
[09:15] <Minataku> pyrotix: Fix your firewall
[09:15] <vbanait> news for you, there is nobody today
[09:15] <pyrotix> already have opened port 80
[09:15] <posingaspopular> vbanait: what is gnumed
[09:16] <vbanait> it is electronic medical record
[09:16] <vbanait> i installed it on ubuntu
[09:16] <posingaspopular> vbanait: did tou try mailing the gnumed dev list? that's what i would do
[09:17] <vbanait> i can access the database (demo) on server, but could not establish connection with local dabase on machine
[09:20] <vbanait> hi anybody listening
[09:21] <TeraDyne> vbanait: You said you're using it in Ubuntu?
[09:22] <SteffeN80RT> Hallo Zusammen"!
[09:22] <vbanait> yes
[09:22] <TeraDyne> !ubuntu
[09:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[09:23] <TeraDyne> Gah, I thought that had the other support message
[09:23] <Minataku> In short, vbanait, go to #ubuntu
[09:23] <Minataku> We help with Kubuntu
[09:23] <vbanait> as i am not getting help there, i thought you will help me
[09:23] <TeraDyne> vbanait: Anyway, you should really go to #ubuntu or check their website at http://www.gnumed.org/
[09:24] <TeraDyne> LAG!
[09:24] <vbanait> ultimately both products are related
[09:24] <Minataku> vbanait: Nobody here can help you
[09:24] <saintm1777> hi all
[09:24] <dwidmann> vbanait: and as I said, ultimately, there are more people in the #ubuntu channel than there are here
[09:24] <Minataku> Complaining isn't going to magically cause someone to have the answer
[09:24] <TeraDyne> vbanait: Not entirely. Kubuntu is based more on KDE, while Ubuntu is based on GNOME.
[09:24] <Minataku> It's just going to keep pissing us off
[09:25] <vbanait> okay guys bye
[09:25] <Minataku> We don't know. We can't help. Sorry.
[09:25] <dwidmann> calm down Minataku
[09:25] <saintm1777> hi ardchoille
[09:25] <vzduch> Daisuke_Ido: can you please pastebin your [KPrinter Settings]  section from ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc?  thanks :)
[09:25] <spheard> has anyone seen radio and check boxes not displaying properly. ie. no black bit in the middle?
[09:25] <Minataku> dwidmann: Let 'em go back to Windows if they want everything done for them
[09:25] <spheard> in the intall
[09:25] <spheard> instal
[09:26] <spheard> kubuntu+1
[09:26] <genii> dwidmann Heh :)
[09:26] <Minataku> I'ma be getting a Personal DECstation 5000/33 and a SPARCbook 3GX :D
[09:26] <admin_> quien habla espaol?
[09:26] <Minataku> !es | admin_
[09:26] <ubotu> admin_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:26] <Minataku> :)
[09:26] <admin_> hola
[09:27] <SteffeN80RT> Hello Everybody! I got a Laptop which is about half a year old with a NVIDIA grafic adapter. do I need to use the nvidia-glx-new package to have 3d support or do I need another driver package?
[09:27] <TeraDyne> Minataku:  I can say one thing for that person, GNUMed's docs aren't easy to navigate.
[09:27] <Minataku> TeraDyne: I've never even heard of the program
[09:27] <Minataku> Anyway, brb
[09:27] <Minataku> I gotta go do something
[09:27] <TeraDyne> Minataku: Neither had I untill now.
[09:27] <admin_> espaol
[09:27] <BONETHUGS333> is there a way to change the display pixel (1024xdunno) ????
[09:27] <TeraDyne> !es | admin_
[09:27] <ubotu> admin_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:27] <BONETHUGS333> in K(Ubuntu)
[09:28] <Tm_T> SteffeN80RT: -new prolly works best
[09:29] <genii> gone but returning. Checking the 2nd cable roof -> basement
[09:29] <Tm_T> SteffeN80RT: though normal might work too
[09:29] <TeraDyne> BONETHUGS333: K Menu > System Settings > Monitor & Display
[09:29] <BONETHUGS333> THANK YOU VERY MUCH =)
[09:30] <RivaeAerya> When will KDE4 be released in Kubuntu? when Gutsy does?
[09:30] <saintm1777> any new stuff?
[09:30] <TeraDyne> RivaeAerya: Probably the release after KDE 4 is Released
[09:31] <RivaeAerya> TeraDyne: So, when KDE 4 is released, i have to wait till the next Ubuntu?
[09:32] <psycose> Hi, i'm trying to install libqt4-dev in Ubuntu Feisty (i686 up to date) but seems it is broke do you know how could i handle this thanks
[09:32] <TeraDyne> RivaeAerya: Well, they'll probably have a special repo for people using the version of Kubunu at that time.
[09:32] <TeraDyne> RivaeAerya: You'd be able to get KDE4 from there.
[09:32] <RivaeAerya> TeraDyne: alright
[09:33] <SteffeN80RT> Tm_T do you mean the nvidia-glx ?
[09:33] <Tm_T> SteffeN80RT: yes
[09:34] <SteffeN80RT> thanks
[09:35] <shiers69> anyone here know how to get wireless working w/ wpa?
[09:36] <Minataku> Back
[09:36] <kain_> how would i create a connection to a network drive in kubuntu?
[09:36] <BONETHUGS333> is tor a good proxy for (K)ubuntu?
[09:38] <kain_> how would i create a connection to a network drive in kubuntu?
[09:38] <vzduch> define 'network drive'
[09:39] <kain_> i need to connect to a place on the network
[09:39] <kain_> i want to connect to a shared file on a windows machine
[09:40] <Minataku> wb, genii
[09:40] <BONETHUGS333> does TOR (proxy) works on (k)ubuntu ???
[09:40] <genii> Minataku: thenks :) 2nd cat5 worked :)
[09:41] <Minataku> Awesome :D
[09:41] <shiers69> anyone have a solution to the VERY COMMON wpa/28% connection problem
[09:46] <admin_> BUENAS
[09:46] <Toy_> hola
[09:46] <Toy_> les digo
[09:46] <Toy_> que ya esta version de linux
[09:47] <vzduch> en ingls aqu por favor, gracias :)
[09:47] <Toy_> es un fastidio
[09:47] <binks_> ok i have a dvb adapter but if i try to scan with it i get open '/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0': 1 Operation not permitted
[09:48] <CrunchyFerrett> !espanol
[09:48] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:49] <papa> tag
[09:49] <BONETHUGS333> moinsen
[09:49] <CrunchyFerrett> beer?
[09:50] <nathan> hi
[09:50] <papa> gerne / yes
[09:50] <jgonzalez> hi there... I would like to change the default permissions for an automatically mounted USB flash drive from 755 to 700... I guess ubuntu uses a combination of udev/pmount to manage this, but I can't find the place where this is defined, anybody can help?
[09:50] <nathan> Running ogle DVD player, however console keeps staying packets are scrambled, and display is blocky
[09:51] <BONETHUGS333> what proxy yall use
[09:51] <CrunchyFerrett> nathan, have you installed the dvdlibcss2 libraries?
[09:51] <CrunchyFerrett> or is it libdvdcss2...
[09:53] <nathan> dont know... can you guide me through please?
[09:53] <dwidmann> CrunchyFerrett: the latter
[09:54] <genii> sorta AFK a while
[09:54] <kain_> i want to connect to a shared file on a windows machine how would i do this
[09:54] <CrunchyFerrett> !dvd | nathan
[09:54] <ubotu> nathan: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[09:54] <nathan> ive been there before
[09:55] <nathan> i tried downloading but dunno if it worked
[09:55] <nathan> n e way to tell?
[09:55] <CrunchyFerrett> Where did you download it from?
[09:55] <nathan> that link
[09:55] <nathan> but it confused me
[09:56] <CrunchyFerrett> http://seveas.imbrandon.com/
[09:56] <CrunchyFerrett> THats where you get the package to install. Its got instructions and everythign
[09:57] <nathan> !Universe
[09:57] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:58] <nathan> what package from that link i after exactly?
[09:59] <nathan> how i know which version of linux i got
[09:59] <nathan> think its feisty but not sure
[09:59] <CrunchyFerrett> To be completely honest, Im about as confused as you are.
[09:59] <Tm_T> nathan: cat /etc/issue
[09:59] <CrunchyFerrett> I just followed the instructions on the !dvd link
[10:00] <nathan> ubuntu 7.04
[10:00] <nathan> so i need to download ubuntu-seveas for feisty 7.04 right
[10:01] <CrunchyFerrett> ya
[10:02] <nathan> the component im after "all (browse contents)" ?
[10:02] <posingaspopular> nathan: what are you trying to do?
[10:02] <nathan> install something to download DVD codecs?
[10:02] <nathan> dvdcsslib2 or summat like that
[10:03] <posingaspopular> you said you're running fesity? it should do it automatically
[10:03] <posingaspopular> when you try to open the file
[10:03] <nathan> what u on bout
[10:03] <nathan> posing 1 min ill post what consoles returning
[10:04] <nathan> WARNING[ogle_mpeg_ps] : Found a scrambled PES packet! (1)
[10:07] <miltos> hi ppl:-)
[10:09] <miltos> how to fix the refresh rate and resolution for nvidia in kubuntu?
[10:10] <Tired_1> miltos: try System Settings - Monitor & Display first
[10:11] <miltos> Tired_1: I've tried Monitor and Display without sucess...moreover the maximum refresh rate I get from there is 55!
[10:13] <vzduch> miltos: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:13] <vzduch> when it comes to the monitor section, go to Advanced and enter the horizontal sync and vertical refresh rates
[10:14] <BluesKaj> miltos, have you checked your monitor drivers , sometimes X acts up with just the plugnplay type generic ones
[10:15] <miltos> BlusesKaj: how to check monitor drivers?
[10:15] <BluesKaj> in system setttings/monitor&display/hardware/admin mode/configure
[10:21] <psycose> If there are some Qt expert down here i got a problem linking some Qt application ! see http://paste.debian.net/31936 thanks
[10:22] <binks_> is there some way of telling if something is locking my dvb adapter
[10:23] <enry> good night
[10:24] <shiers69> anyone have a solution to the VERY COMMON wpa/28% connection problem
[10:24] <shiers69> I'm currently unable to manually enable my wireless nic
[10:43] <psygrass> please i need some advice regarding this problem... I installed kubuntu (fresh installation) after using Ubuntu for a while... but now kubuntu doesn't restart or shutdown...instead it just hangs with black screen. Do I need to edit grub menu or what??
[10:45] <Dario> hello
[10:45] <Dario> help me with ati drivers
[10:45] <Dario> please
[10:45] <jussi01> !ati
[10:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:46] <Dario> kubuntu es?
[10:46] <Dario> !espanol
[10:46] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:47] <halped> hola
[10:48] <Dario> hola halped
[10:48] <CrunchyFerrett> Never realized that Linux has a such a large spanish speaking user base.,
[10:48] <CrunchyFerrett> ...
[10:50] <CrunchyFerrett> I want a list of every trigger for ubotu
[10:50] <CrunchyFerrett> !trigger
[10:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trigger - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:50] <jhutchins> CrunchyFerrett: The web page lists 'em all.
[10:50] <sparrw> the kde printer dialog wants to scan 127.0.0.* because thats one of my subnets.  isnt that true for everyone?  shouldn it search the OTHER subnet?
[10:51] <CrunchyFerrett> crikey
[10:54] <jthomas> sparrw: thats the localhost aka your machine
[10:54] <sparrw> jthomas: im well aware of that, which is why scanning it seems stupid
[10:55] <binks_>   /lib/modules/`uname -r`/source << how can i get this cmd to work i thought i install kernel source
[10:55] <jthomas> sparrw: sorta yeah unless your printer is setup locally...
[10:55] <sparrw> jthomas: and it isnt
[10:55] <binks_> i just get   bash: /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/source: No such file or directory
[10:55] <binks_> !kernel source
[10:55] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[10:56] <jthomas> sparrw: true in your case perhaps, but many printers are set up locally
[10:56] <sparrw> jthomas: yes, and those people probably pick "local printer"
[10:57] <jthomas> sparrw: good point.  i don't really set up printers too much...!
[10:58] <sparrw> if i was less lazy i would file a bug report
[10:59] <binks_> anyone how do i install the kernel source not just the headers
[10:59] <jthomas> can anyone tell me some secret to either Kubuntu or WinXPHome to allow for Samba?  I have found a lot of guides for Ubuntu but many are related to GUI tools.  My workgroup TUXNET is now finally available to be seen in my 'Remote Places' konqueror window, but nothing responds when i try to browse it.  WinXPHome has no firewall enabled, sharing is turned on...
[10:59] <jthomas> but i have no other Windows machines to test to see which the problem is with
[11:01] <binks_> anyone how do i install the kernel source not just the headers
[11:03] <jthomas> binks_: can you look in Adept and find them there?
[11:04] <binks_> will look
[11:05] <binks_> wll i need to add source repos
[11:07] <binks_> ok i install linux-source but i still dont get it in /usr/src
[11:07] <binks_> bash: /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/source: No such file or directory
[11:08] <binks_> maybe i need to link the src to that folder
[11:09] <jthomas> binks_: i am sorry, i wish that i knew more.  try (at a command line) updateing 'locate -u' then use locate to find the sources perhaps
[11:11] <Zvezdi`go`nqma> hello, where is the KDE Theme manager?
[11:12] <rathel> Can someone help me with cedega?
[11:16] <crube> I keep getting "An error occured while loading the torrent. The torrent is probably corrupt or is not a torrent file." Seems to happen with every torrent
[11:20] <jhutchins> crube: Try a different client.
[11:21] <jhutchins> rathel: I thought cedega was a commercial product.
[11:21] <WaxyFresh> just installed fiesty 64,and i dont have any sound on my laptop
[11:22] <SanityInAnarchy> Question: How can I figure out what program is capturing a particular keystroke?
[11:23] <WaxyFresh> jhutchins: any idea?^i think this is a simple prob.in ubuntu its always the external amp that needs playing with in the gmix setting but i cant find that on kubuntu's kmix
[11:24] <miltos> how do get rid of pager on kubuntu startup?
[11:24] <jhutchins> WaxyFresh: I usually start by running alsamixer to see if the sound sysetem loaded.
[11:24] <jhutchins> WaxyFresh: Then I cat something to /dev/dsp to see if I'm getting output.
[11:25] <jhutchins> miltos: Just remove it and then do a clean log-out.
[11:25] <miltos> jhutchins: clean log out...how?
[11:26] <jhutchins> Select log out from the menu.
[11:27] <miltos> pager persists even with a clean log-out...any help?
[11:29] <WaxyFresh> jhutchins: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[11:29] <CrunchyFerrett> !opengl
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:29] <CrunchyFerrett> !gl
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <WaxyFresh> jhutchins: how do i run alsamixer?i just typed it in a a CL?
[11:30] <jhutchins> WaxyFresh: Yep.
[11:30] <miltos> I cannot get rid of pager...any help?
[11:30] <WaxyFresh> jhutchins: it said: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[11:31] <jhutchins> miltos: What are you actually trying to get rid of?
[11:31] <__mikem> are there ANY efforts being made to taylor the Kubuntu look and feel so it looks less like default kde and more specific to ubuntu
[11:31] <jhutchins> WaxyFresh: Ok, you've got problems with the drivers then.
[11:31] <WaxyFresh> grrr ok ill go do some googleing
[11:31] <miltos> jhutchins:pager desktop manager...
[11:32] <jussi01> __mikem: its up to you to change it how you like
[11:32] <jhutchins> Yeah, sorry, but I don't know anything about the 64b stuff.  Be sure to look for stuff specific to your chipset.
[11:32] <DaSkreech> __mikem: It is customized
[11:32] <__mikem> jussi01, I am not creative enough to make it look the way I want. The fact is, they did such a great job branding gnome for ubuntu, why can't they do that with kubuntu
[11:32] <SanityInAnarchy> __mikem:  I think they did, it's just blue instead
[11:32] <jhutchins> miltos: Run your mouse over it.  You'll see a "handle" to the left of it, right click that, choose "Remove...".
[11:33] <__mikem> DaSkreech, they still have the default kde menu icon for crying out loud
[11:33] <DaSkreech> __mikem: What? It's near Default Gnome
[11:33] <DaSkreech> __mikem: You want that changed to a Gear?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> That's the only change I can think that they would do :)
[11:34] <affan> hello All... I have Xubuntu installed from some time ago on this laptop... how do I check which version it is? as in Dapper or Edgy etc? thanks
[11:34] <__mikem> affan wrong chanel , try #xubuntu
[11:34] <CrunchyFerrett> How the heck do I know if opengl is installed or not?
[11:34] <miltos> jhutchins: ok ...but it will come up on next reboot!
[11:34] <CrunchyFerrett> or is it a driver issue...
[11:34] <jussi01> !version
[11:34] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[11:34] <DaSkreech> affan: lsb_release -a
[11:34] <jussi01> lol
[11:35] <__mikem> DaSkreech, it would be nice if they could change the default kde menu icon by default. I will admit, I just now noticed that the window decoration is nicely customized
[11:35] <DaSkreech> And the Kmenu and desktop
[11:35] <jhutchins> __mikem: I don't think that's the default kde icon.
[11:35] <DaSkreech> It isn't but ...
[11:36] <DaSkreech> let him rant a little :)
[11:36] <jhutchins> Mandriva tried changing it to "Mandriva", caught a lot of flack.  Too wide for one.
[11:36] <DaSkreech> They Kould have jsut Done M with Gears through it
[11:36] <affan> OK I have 6.06 (xubuntu) installed.... i want to upgrade to the latest version of Kubuntu... do you know what is the easiest (and quickest) way? thanks!
[11:36] <DaSkreech> That should suffice
[11:36] <ciacon> I have just for kicks installed the enlightment desktop... can anyone give me a hint how to start a new session (preferably also enlightment)...
[11:37] <jussi01> affan: sudo apt-ge install kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <jhutchins> ciacon: Not something we know much about here in kubuntu.
[11:37] <affan> jussi01, would that upgrade my distribution version as well?
[11:37] <DaSkreech> ciacon: You want to log into E?
[11:37] <jgonzalez_> hi there, does anybody know how to configure the default permissions for usb flash drives in KDE?
[11:37] <DaSkreech> affan: nope
[11:37] <jussi01> ciacon: log out, then change the session from the menu, log in
[11:38] <__mikem> It isn't?
[11:38] <jhutchins> __mikem: Nope.
[11:38] <affan> DaSkreech, how do i do that then? should i download and reinstall from the CD?
[11:38] <ciacon> I need two simultanious sessions... I know it works for kde... I was hoping I could achieve the same in enlightment...
[11:39] <DaSkreech> ciacon: try xnest
[11:39] <jhutchins> __mikem: Anyway, this is linux, if you don't like it, change it.
[11:39] <DaSkreech> affan: If you want the fast way then yes
[11:40] <affan> ok thanks DaSkreech
[11:41] <jhutchins> /etc/X11/X -br -deferglyphs 16 -nolisten tcp :1 vt8
[11:46] <stiev> If i have nothing really important to lose, is the easiest method for switching from gnome to kde just reformatting with the latest kubuntu disc?
[11:47] <DaSkreech> stiev: I guess. Do you have KDE installed already ?
[11:49] <__mikem> DaSkreech, I guess what I was saying before is, I wish they had like a human theme for kde. I just think it would look awesome
[11:49] <stiev> DaSkreech: Nope, just am finding that I prefer the kde configured versions of things, mainly the PIM... also am having a little trouble getting KOntact to run as it stands
[11:49] <WaxyFresh> jhutchins: i just mad e a post on the forums about my problem what info should i include?i already did all my hardware stuff im looking for
[11:49] <WaxyFresh> CL line things
[11:49] <DaSkreech> stiev: you could just remove Gnome and apt-get instal kubuntu-desktop
[11:50] <DaSkreech> __mikem: Yeah I guess but Theming in KDE is alittle more involved than Gnome
[11:50] <WaxyFresh> i cant seam to find the menu option to configure which sources i use like i could in gnome anyone know where it would be?
[11:51] <__mikem> DaSkreech, thats why I am not too crazy about doing it myself hence me bringing it up in here
[11:51] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:51] <DaSkreech> Well If you have some strong art leanings you can jump to #kubuntu-devel
[11:51] <mahdi> anyone want to comment on the stability/useability of Kubuntu Fiesty 64-bit?
[11:52] <Contrast83> WaxyFresh: In my honest opinion, as much as I prefer KDE and Qt, GNOME's package management apps are way better, and are all I use for the purpose.
[11:52] <__mikem> DaSkreech, I am not good at creating UI's I am a programmer. Everybody knows programmers don't do good UI design
[11:53] <DaSkreech> __mikem: I know. I meant if you have something constructive critique of what is needed now other than make it Look like Human
[11:53] <DaSkreech> mahdi: very solid Quite usable if you like FOSS :)
[11:53] <mahdi> DaSkreech: neat-o, thanks
[11:54] <VSpike> WaxyFresh: kdesu adept_manager
[11:54] <WaxyFresh> Contrast83: i also but gnome has a menu option in system? called "software sources" that lets you edit your sources easily is that possible to install on kubuntu?and if so do you know the package name?
[11:55] <VSpike> WaxyFresh: then on menu, go to Adept->Manage Repositories
[11:55] <WaxyFresh> VSpike: thanks
[11:55] <Contrast83> WaxyFresh: I don't remember the name of it specifically, but I know if you install "gnome-app-install", Software Sources gets installed along with it
[11:55] <DaSkreech> WaxyFresh: alt+space -> adept -> <enter> -> Adept Menu -> Manage Repos
[11:56] <Contrast83> WaxyFresh: Why not just edit sources.list? It's so much quicker :-)
[11:57] <WaxyFresh> Contrast83: not always
[11:57] <VSpike> WaxyFresh: actually "kdesu /usr/bin/software-properties-kde" also works
[11:58] <MidMark> hi
[11:59] <MidMark> it's the first time I saw a dvd burner not recognized by linux
[11:59] <MidMark> is a lite-on ssm-8515
[11:59] <MidMark> any help to make it working?
[12:01] <jhutchins> MidMark: I had one a while back that wasn't recognized as a burner.
[12:02] <jhutchins> Didn't have time to resolve it.
[12:03] <MidMark> jhutchins: problem this is in a laptop
[12:03] <MidMark> :(
[12:04] <Graham> !divx
[12:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:04] <jhutchins> MidMark: http://www.cdrfaq.org
[12:04] <Graham> I've got w32codecs, what else do I need to play divx?
[12:05] <dario> hey friends
[12:05] <jhutchins> !css | Graham
[12:05] <ubotu> Graham: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:05] <dario> display: :0.0 screen: 0
[12:05] <dario> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[12:05] <dario> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[12:05] <dario> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[12:05] <Graham> jhutchins: I already have that
[12:05] <jhutchins> dario: Don't do that, you'll get knocked off the server.
[12:06] <dario> sorry
[12:06] <WaxyFresh> how do you get flash/shockwave to work on a 64 bit comp?
[12:06] <Graham> I'll explain, it plays but it's all messed up, the video looks very corrupt.
[12:07] <Graham> But it ISN'T corrupt.
[12:07] <jhutchins> !paste | dario
[12:07] <ubotu> dario: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:07] <WaxyFresh> !64
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <deluxe> eeey ive searched google for a way to enable beryl on my fresh installed kubuntu, but i only get hits on how to fix it with ubuntu
[12:07] <WaxyFresh> !amd
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:08] <deluxe> !beryl
[12:08] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:08] <deluxe> !compiz
[12:08] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:09] <knubbe> how do i forward multiple ports with ssh?
[12:11] <WaxyFresh> can anyone take a look at this and tell me what info i should ad to be more helpfull to those that read it?http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2957811#post2957811
[12:11] <WaxyFresh> is there a irc room for 64bit ubuntu users?
[12:12] <dwidmann> WaxyFresh: I doubt it
[12:12] <dwidmann> WaxyFresh: at least there isn't as far as I know
[12:13] <dwidmann> WaxyFresh: anyhow, have you checked that alsa website to see if the card is or isn't supported?