[03:03] <chadeldridge> Does anyone know what version of Gnome is included in the next version of Ubuntu ?
[03:05] <Pumpernickel> 2.20, the next stable release.
[03:06] <Pumpernickel> The Ubuntu and Gnome 6-month release cycles aren't so closely matched by coincidence.
[03:06] <chadeldridge> I wasnt sure if gnome was on the same release cycle as ubuntu ... so 2.20 will be in the 7.10 release ... thanks
[03:07] <chadeldridge> basically i need the new gnome to fix a bunch of issues .. and the fixes are supposedly in 2.20 ... so i will just have to wait around i suppose :-D
[03:35] <defcon> what are some good ways to optimize memory consumption in ubuntu, my ubuntu often freezes and wont open apps?
[03:37] <sn0> defcon how much ram do you have? do you have a file swap file
[03:37] <defcon> 768 meg ram
[03:38] <defcon> sn0 yes I have a swap file
[03:39] <defcon> my swap = 1.57 gb
[03:39] <sn0> what does free -m tell you defcon with all your apps running?
[03:39] <sn0> at the terminal
[03:39] <sn0> 768 is quite a lot
[03:40] <defcon> i am pasting 3 lines...
[03:40] <defcon> defcon@ion:~$ free -m
[03:40] <defcon>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[03:40] <defcon> Mem:           749        741          7          0          4        227
[03:40] <defcon> -/+ buffers/cache:        508        240
[03:40] <defcon> Swap:         1608        116       1491
[03:41] <MugginsM> that looks ok, I wouldn't have thought it'd be swapping excessively
[03:42] <brenix> anyone using conky with gusty or have any problems with it??
[03:43] <sn0> 227 cached seems about right for a normal desktop load with many apps open
[03:43] <Dannilion> conky?
[03:44] <brenix> yea, its a system monitor
[03:45] <Dannilion> what's the problem with it?
[03:46] <Dannilion> (I can keep an eye out then)
[03:46] <brenix> it cant open /sys/bus/i2c/devices/.... after the upgrade
[03:47] <sn0> defcon im not sure what to suggest really, maybe keep an eye on cpu usage using top or ntop
[03:53] <sn0> nite
[04:01] <brenix> hey Dannilion, I fixed it if you want to know..
[04:01] <Dannilion> oh, good
[04:01] <Dannilion> what was up?
[04:02] <brenix> i dont know exactly, but I removed the parameters for the cpu temp and fan speed from the config file
[04:02] <brenix> it couldnt find the i2c info..
[04:02] <Dannilion> ahh
[04:43] <lamalex> did dbus change in gutsy?
[04:43] <lamalex> I no longer have dbus-launch
[04:47] <RAOF> dbus-x11
[04:50] <lamalex> is that the new binary?
[04:50] <RAOF> Yup
[04:50] <lamalex> very nice thanks :) brb, gotta test it
[04:50] <lamalex> i had copied my dbus-launch in from feisty
[04:50] <shirish> ubotu avi
[04:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:51] <RAOF> Oh, sorry.  No, that's the new package that dbus-launch is in
[04:52] <lamalex> ahh ok
[04:52] <lamalex> i just came back to say it failed
[04:53] <RAOF> :)
[04:53] <lamalex> brb
[04:54] <lamalex> RAOF: worked :) thanks
[04:56] <lamalex> :( but still no desktop effects
[04:57] <shirish> guys there isn't a totem-xine-firefox-plugin or totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin ?
[04:57] <shirish> I dunno if either of these packages are needed or not?
[05:01] <pimp31415> hey by the way guys
[05:01] <pimp31415> great work on the menus
[05:01] <DanaG> Argh, it's annoying when updating 5 packages runs update-initramfs 5 times.
[05:01] <pimp31415> they seem to actually pick up everything now..
[05:01] <DanaG> Can't it wait until the last time?
[05:02] <pimp31415> lamalex, what did you put in to get the desktop effects?
[05:02] <pimp31415> i didnt try em on the fresh install - didnt know they were even in there till after i put in beryl
[05:02] <pimp31415> which seems to run quite well :P
[05:03] <pimp31415> mm except cpu usage goes to 100% when holding down mouse middle click for cube.. dunno why there
[05:03] <lamalex> only with middle click?
[05:04] <lamalex> pimp31415: it's not working for me yet
[05:04] <pimp31415> thats beryl not desktop effects
[05:04] <pimp31415> those work but seem a lower quality
[05:04] <pimp31415> os[Linux 2.6.22-7-386 - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )]  | up[8 hours, 18 minutes]  | cpu[AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+, 1665.280 MHz (3333.57 bogomips) at 40.0C]  | chipset[VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8375 [KM266/KL266]  Host Bridge]  | video[nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200]  (rev a1) at 1600x1200 (32 bits)]  | opengl[GeForce 6200/AGP/SSE/3DNOW! powered by NVIDIA Corporation with driver 2.1.0 NVIDIA 96.31]  | xchat[Version:
[05:04] <pimp31415>  2.8.2]  | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46] 
[05:05] <lamalex> beryl works fine
[05:05] <pimp31415> as you can see my hardware is kinda crappy lol but i get more wiggles with beryl than the desktop effects themselves
[05:05] <RAOF> DanaG: Guess what?  dpkg triggers are exactly what you are after.  A google should get you the thread on the debian ML discussing it.
[05:05] <lamalex> but i'm trying to figure out desktop-effects as that's what most new users are going to try, so I want to get them working so I can help fglrx/xgl users
[05:06] <pimp31415> ok turned those on
[05:06] <pimp31415> btw if you use alltray i recommend kdocker - does the same thing and works while beryl is running
[05:07] <pimp31415> ok yeah differences:
[05:07] <pimp31415> 1. beryl when you have a window maximized you can drag the top part as far as you want and let go and it snaps back, whereas desktop effects acts like the normal desktop where the window detatches and reattaches only if you drag it back up
[05:08] <pimp31415> 2. double click titlebar maximize/unmaximize in desktop effects // rolls up window in beryl
[05:08] <lamalex> you can set that in beryl
[05:08] <lamalex> beryl is very configurable
[05:08] <DanaG> hmm, GamesConf, an API for storing user preferences has been added to libgames-support. GamesConf allows the games to store preferences using either GConf or flat files (#448432).
[05:08] <pimp31415> seems like that heliaodore package might be in as it uses gtk window decerations
[05:09] <DanaG> I see no such bug number on Debian or Ubuntu or Gnome bugtrackers.
[05:09] <pimp31415> lamalex, yeah you can configure almost anything with beryl quite nice
[05:09] <DanaG> bug 448432
[05:09] <DanaG> debian: #448432
[05:09] <pimp31415> DanaG, eh? whats that sounds interesting?
[05:10] <pimp31415> i noticed one wierd thing with appearance preferences: when i select almost any theme it automatically chooses it then goes to custom - the theme does show tho - like the tropical look for instance
[05:11] <pimp31415> also before i got the beryl stuff in compiz.real crashed a lot which is what seems to be driving the desktop stuff
[05:12] <pimp31415> mm minor thing with the desktop effects: if i right click on titlebar and move application to another workspace it doesnt move, whereas if i do it from the taskbar with the window list it does
[05:13] <lamalex> at least it works for you
[05:13] <lamalex> i'm still trying to get it to work
[05:13] <pimp31415> yeah
[05:13] <pimp31415> what hardware are you running? lets see if we can tweak it a bit :P
[05:13] <pimp31415> ok wierd
[05:13] <pimp31415> xchat shows in all workspaces on the window list >.<
[05:15] <pimp31415> @1600x1200 resolution default dpi bottom panel must be 54 pixels to double up the windows >.< bit excessive
[05:16] <pimp31415> lamalex, what kinda hardware over there?
[05:16] <lamalex> ati x200m, amd turion64, 2gb ram, ubuntu x86
[05:17] <pimp31415> kay
[05:17] <pimp31415> mm there's little bugs in teh panel/workspace treatments
[05:18] <pimp31415> arg
[05:19] <pimp31415> ok yeah
[05:19] <pimp31415> when i use mousescroll to change workspaces it does so, but arrow keys change viewports in same workspace or something
[05:19] <pimp31415> so i effectively have what 16 desktops? @_@
[05:20] <lamalex> heh
[05:20] <pimp31415> wel subtract 4
[05:20] <pimp31415> top left one seems the same lol
[05:20] <pimp31415> 13!
[05:20] <pimp31415> yey my lucky number
[05:20] <pimp31415> ok back to lamalex what driver are you using for your vid?
[05:21] <pimp31415> and what approach to beryl? ive had success with ati with aiglx but not much with the xgl i think it was
[05:21] <pimp31415> yeah desktops definately funky
[05:22] <DanaG> Set desktops to only 1.
[05:22] <pimp31415> ok definately 16
[05:22] <wfarr> is archive.ubuntu.com slow for anyone else tonight
[05:22] <pimp31415> DanaG, workspaces for panel? or some other setting for compiz.real
[05:23] <pimp31415> DanaG, oo they collapsed quite nicely
[05:23] <pimp31415> but yeah mouse scroll over pager does nothing just like beryl =/
[05:24] <pimp31415> wfarr, gimme something to install and i'll try it
[05:25] <wfarr> ah hm uh ah jeez.... "xmoto"
[05:25] <pimp31415> ok thats the moto hack tool? good icould use that
[05:25] <wfarr> no lol
[05:25] <wfarr> it's an addictive game
[05:26] <pimp31415> 298kB/s 35s
[05:26] <wfarr> but anyhoo, I'm only getting like 30 kBps downstream atm
[05:26] <wfarr> and I ought to be getting about 150 >_>
[05:26] <pimp31415> 945kB/s 0s
[05:26] <pimp31415> nope seems fine from here -- sorry
[05:26] <pimp31415> and thanx for the game :D
[05:26] <wfarr> are you using archive.ubuntu.com, or the us mirror?
[05:27] <pimp31415> oo quite fun
[05:27] <pimp31415> oops yeah us.archive sorry
[05:28] <wfarr> ah that might be it
[05:28] <wfarr> I'm using the official
[05:28] <pimp31415> let me adjust my sources and uninstall and try again
[05:28] <wfarr> I'll try the .us after I finish this pbuild
[05:30] <pimp31415> 461kB/s 12s
[05:30] <pimp31415> 1214kB/s 12s
[05:30] <pimp31415> gah
[05:30] <pimp31415> w/e it finished too fast to copy the second one so i just edited but w/e
[05:31] <pimp31415> perhaps its your routing to it sir
[05:34] <pimp31415> lamalex, try this kinda guide at all? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272104&highlight=beryl+one+thread+to+rule+them
[05:35] <lamalex> that doesn't address gutsy
[05:35] <lamalex> this is the gutsy room
[05:35] <pimp31415> i understand that lamalex
[05:35] <lamalex> it works perfectly in feisty
[05:35] <pimp31415> but the principal is quite similar
[05:35] <lamalex> yes, but none of the things that /used/ to work are working now
[05:36] <pimp31415> find any common thread between them in general? you said you had beryl going but not desktop effects or neither?
[05:36] <lamalex> beryl works fine
[05:36] <lamalex> it's just desktop-effects
[05:36] <pimp31415> that ebil compiz.real then eh
[05:37] <lamalex> ebil?
[05:37] <pimp31415> == evil lol
[05:37] <lamalex> ah
[05:37] <lamalex> then yes
[05:38] <pimp31415> try increasing your GdmXserverTimeout ?
[05:38] <lamalex> what does that do and how
[05:38] <pimp31415> well lets back up actually
[05:38] <pimp31415> opensource or fglrx driver?
[05:39] <pimp31415> ati / radeon / fglrx ?
[05:39] <lamalex> fglrx
[05:39] <lamalex> with xgl
[05:39] <pimp31415> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131253 <<-- im stareing at this thing
[05:39] <pimp31415> i know i know feisty feisty
[05:39] <lamalex> yeah, there is some overlay
[05:39] <lamalex> but most of it hasn't worked so far
[05:39] <pimp31415> mm dapper anyway
[05:40] <lamalex> yah that guide is outdated
[05:40] <pimp31415> yeah
[05:43] <pimp31415> lamalex, have you tryed starting the appearences thing from a terminal kinda like we do with beryl-manager and see if you get any warnings?
[05:44] <lamalex> yes
[05:44] <pimp31415> and?
[05:45] <lamalex> nvidia hardware not available
[05:45] <lamalex> gtk-window-decorator: Screen 0 on display ":1.0" already has a decoration manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current decoration manager.
[05:45] <lamalex> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
[05:45] <lamalex> Trying again with indirect rendering:
[05:45] <lamalex> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
[05:45] <lamalex> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[05:46] <lamalex> it's like it doesn't pick up xgl
[05:46] <pimp31415> mm
[05:46] <pimp31415> /usr/share/themes/Blubuntu/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:169: Clearlooks configuration option "progressbarstyle" is not supported and will be ignored.
[05:46] <pimp31415> i get that one a lot lol
[05:47] <pimp31415> even when i'm not using it >.<
[05:47] <pimp31415> brb let me log out of gui and erase some preferences
[05:48] <lamalex> that doesn't do anything
[05:49] <lamalex> I feel like something needs to be in xorg.conf
[05:54] <pimp31415> yeah
[05:54] <pimp31415> when i deleted all the configs funney stuff happens
[05:54] <pimp31415> that compiz.real crashes here too
[05:59] <pimp31415> forgive me if i disconnect now and then doing some gutsy testing :3
[06:04] <lamalex> compiz.real --display :0 --indirect-rendering --replace
[06:04] <lamalex> compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No composite extension
[06:04] <lamalex> isn't the job of xgl to take over composite's role?
[06:08] <pimp31415> (gnome-appearance-properties:12450): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme file for DMZ-Black has no directories
[06:08] <pimp31415> any clue what that means?  lol
[06:08] <pimp31415> (gnome-appearance-properties:12450): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_get_data: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[06:08] <pimp31415> also getting a lot of those when running gnome-appearance-properties from terminal
[06:09] <pimp31415> my bug there seems to be no matter what i choose it is determined to be on custom theme >.<
[06:09] <pimp31415> though desktop effects runs for the most part out of the box there were some errors:
[06:09] <pimp31415> !paste
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[06:13] <pimp31415> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28293/ <<-- that pretty much covers that
[06:13] <pimp31415> i'm considering another install gah lol
[06:16] <pimp31415> http://bayimg.com/hAdAeaABD <<--- also thats the thing that doesnt die when i sign into gnome the first couple times for some reason.. goes away after that.
[06:21] <pimp31415> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: metacity[12841] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... ///gtk-window-decorator: Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a decoration manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current decoration manager.
[06:21] <pimp31415> get a lot of those too lol
[06:41] <pimp31415> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28298/
[06:41] <pimp31415> and thats the other thing that tends to happen
[06:41] <pimp31415> first i enabled the desktop effects and hten when that was done i did the extra effects which is when it kinda when gah :D
[06:43] <pimp31415> i'm guessing its lines 292 295 296 302 and 100 which are the interesting areas
[06:43] <pimp31415> seems to work pretty good tho
[06:44] <pimp31415> owell
[06:44] <pimp31415> nick highlight me if you want me to try something specific - and keep up the good work :)
[06:45] <Centaur5> ndiswrapper says the hardware isn't present when I load the correct windows driver so what can I do?
[07:38] <brenix> exit
[08:34] <pimp31415> anyone know how to show beryl fps stuff?
[08:42] <pimp31415> gah that thing sux lol
[09:17] <RAOF> Hm, gnome-power-manager goes from saying 4 hours battery at 30% to 35 min left at 19%.  There really should be some fixing of its profile stuff :)
[10:14] <pvandewyngaerde> new gnome games icons look funny in kubuntu
[10:24] <Ind[y] > Python 2.5.1 on Ubuntu has BitTorrent as a default package(?!) Why?
[10:29] <Ind[y] > Oh, never mind.
[10:54] <shirish> ubotu paste
[10:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:57] <shirish> guy can somebody confirm that network manager is working right or not. I have posted a snapshot of today's daemon log file. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28306/
[10:57] <shirish> I always see weird messages while going to halt or reboot.
[10:59] <pvandewyngaerde> shirish: i have that too
[10:59] <shirish> pvandewyngaerde: ok cool, maybe there is a bug written somewhere about that.
[11:00] <pvandewyngaerde> it messes ul the console layout when shutting down/restarting
[11:00] <pvandewyngaerde> s/ul/up
[11:01] <shirish> ul?
[11:04] <frafra> I've a problem with resolution in gusty
[11:04] <frafra> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log I can see this: http://rafb.net/p/t8ggrr32.txt
[11:05] <frafra> my gusty is up-to-date, I'm using nvidia-glx-new with compiz
[11:06] <frafra> and the monitor uses only 680x480
[11:06] <frafra> but it supports 1280x1024
[11:07] <frafra> who could help me?
[11:15] <frafra> ?
[12:47] <pvandewyngaerde> use nvidia-settings
[01:01] <sn0> i think he has gone pvandewyngaerde :)
[02:02] <hays> to update to gutsy, I changed my apt.sources to say s/gutsy/fiesty then ran apt-get dist-upgrade.  Then this morning I ran the ubuntu package manager and it installed a few more updates.  Anything else I need to do?
[02:03] <billy_> howdy.  how can I rescue my Gutsy install, which died at about 6% packages installed.  I've been able to install ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-desktop.
[02:06] <sn0> billy_ did you dist-upgrade? or is it from the tribe 2 image
[02:06] <sn0> hays you should be good to go :)
[02:06] <hays> sweet.
[02:07] <sn0> billy_ if you dist-upgraded then maybe boot from the livecd , mount your root / partition then chroot into it, and try dist-upgrading aggain
[02:07] <billy_> sn0: tribe 2 yes.  a few packages to dist-upgrade for, but not many.  i don't have restricted-drivers-manager, for instance.  and I had to create a user manually, which means root account isn't "locked" (or whatever).  So my install is a bit off.  :|
[02:08] <sn0> billy_ hmm sounds strange, maybe grab the latest daily image and try that
[02:08] <sn0> i used the one from yesterday and it seemed to work ok so far
[02:08] <sn0> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:08] <billy_> sn0: well, it's a buffer under-run or something, I think.
[02:09] <billy_> keep getting them.
[02:09] <sn0> maybe double check the md5sums
[02:09] <sn0> to verify the cd image is intact
[02:09] <sn0> though buffer under run may be the media/cd itself
[02:09] <billy_> that's what I'm thinking. this thing's been giving me troubles.
[02:10] <sn0> maybe try a usb boot if you have a pen drive, or if you have a spare cdrom drive to rule that out
[02:10] <billy_> sn0: so, you're advice is to try the install again, instead of attempting to fix this one?  I have a second CD drive, which I think I can boot from.  I'll give that a shot.
[02:11] <sn0> billy_ i would possibly try both :)
[02:11] <sn0> shop for me , bbs
[02:15] <billy_> thx sn0
[03:09] <hays> I think I am noticing a pattern with linux distros.  They start out very unconservative, with very fresh and new packages in every release, and slowly they become more conservative and have things up to a year behind.  I hope Ubuntu stays fresh.
[03:09] <lamalex> what about debian? testing always has new packages
[03:10] <lamalex> and stable only really gets old because of how long it's stable
[03:10] <hays> I've not used them in a while, but last I tried testing, it was tolerable, but not as shiny new as, say, Ubuntu.
[03:11] <lamalex> well Ubuntu is /based/ on Debian testing
[03:11] <lamalex> or is it unstable
[03:11] <lamalex> someone correct me here if I'm wrong
[03:11] <hays> Is python 2.5 in debian testing yet?
[03:11] <lamalex> idk, I use ubuntu
[03:12] <hays> I installed virtualized ubuntu for the sole purpose of having Python 2.5 without hosing my existing linux box
[03:12] <hays> Works great so far..  A tad sluggish but not bad at all
[03:12] <hays> (Sluggish due to being in a vm)
[03:23] <hays> hmm and it looks like gutsy has given me an ipv6 addy.. hrm..  I know nothing about this.. Guess its time to learn
[03:26] <Pici> hmm? fiesty and previous included ipv6 support too
[03:28] <hays> I'm relatively new to Ubuntu.  I'm in here because I feel ok running on the edge in a VM.
[03:28] <lamalex> it /win 5
[03:36] <sn0> got gusty running here from a usb pen as a live distro, works nicely :)
[03:36] <hays> usb pen?
[03:37] <hays> how large of a drive is that
[03:37] <Pici> beat.
[03:37] <sn0> yea i made a bootable drive
[03:37] <Pici> er, neat rather.
[03:37] <sn0> 4gig sandisk
[03:37] <hays> tight fit..  I know because that's the size of my VM disk
[03:37] <sn0> created a fat16 partition and then the seperate ext2 partition, but its slow to boot from the fat16, once its loaded its pretty quick
[03:37] <sn0> well the livecd is only 700meg
[03:38] <sn0> cds i find slow :)
[03:38] <lamalex> fat 16?
[03:38] <hays> How do they get them so small?  compression?
[03:39] <sn0> compression + the popularity contents hays, so popular packages are on the cd
[03:39] <hays> because even out of the box my ubuntu install was ~3GB
[03:39] <sn0> lamalex yea basically i had to create 2 partitions, 1 holding the livecd, another holding the initrd to boot from vfat
[03:40] <sn0> then to update the drive i just extract the new iso to the ext partition and boot
[05:03] <spheard> i, Ive lost my taskbar
[05:04] <spheard> It just disappeared. I had it set to hide and reappear when the mouse is on the botton of the screen but I think its crashed or something, I have rebooted sever times to no avail :-/
[05:05] <lamalex> ps -e |grep gnome-panel
[05:05] <lamalex> see if it's running
[05:05] <spheard> sorry, kde
[05:05] <lamalex> (im assuming gnome)
[05:05] <lamalex> damn
[05:05] <lamalex> kde-panel? idk what it is in kde
[05:06] <spheard> whats the command for shell access?
[05:06] <axxo> ctrl+alt+f1
[05:06] <spheard> no, I mean in a window
[05:07] <spheard> a terminal window
[05:08] <lamalex> xterm
[05:08] <lamalex> konsole
[05:09] <kaba> does anybody know if GutsyGibbon/Tribe2/ already includes the new WLAN-drivers?
[05:10] <sn0> kaba which drivers?
[05:10] <h3sp4wn> kaba: it has mac80211
[05:10] <kaba> I have Atheros AR5007EG which so far only works with Ndiswrapper in sidux
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> It will not have those - you need madwifi trunk
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> Is it the pre n one right or pci-e ?
[05:11] <kaba> h3sp4wn: yeah, but with 7.04 Madwifi didnt support this hardware
[05:12] <h3sp4wn> kaba: It needs the new hal (that was only added after madwifi 0.9.3)
[05:12] <sn0> kaba ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 is the same version in debian unstable at the moment as it is in gutsy gibbon
[05:12] <h3sp4wn> There is no released version of madwifi with that hal
[05:13] <kaba> h3sp4wn: the new hal wont be in Gutsy?
[05:15] <h3sp4wn> kaba: Don't know (not my decision) - boot the live cd and see the version of ath_hal that loads
[05:15] <kaba> sn0: did this change from Tribe1 => 2? coz in T1 I couldnt get Ndiswrapper going -- btw: sidux has brilliant simple scripts for this -- it even worked from the Live-Cd!!! Kubuntu should copy this!
[05:15] <sn0> kaba im not sure, i use ethernet :)
[05:16] <h3sp4wn> ath_hal: 0.9.30.13 (that is the version you need) - kaba: Did kelmo say it could only possibly work with ndiswrapper ? (Might still be true if he said that)
[05:16] <kaba> ok, then let me burn & try it out, but if soomebody from the development-team is reading this: sidux has brilliant simple scripts for this -- it even worked from the Live-Cd!!!
[05:17] <h3sp4wn> kaba: xdialog is not pretty enough for ubuntu (the kanotix/sidux installer also works more reliably than the ubuntu one but looks are everything etc etc)
[05:18] <kaba> h3sp4wn: yeah: ath_hal: 0.9.30.13 was required for my AR5007 and a lot of dependencies which over-demanded me -- am a newbee with Linux
[05:19] <kaba> h3sp4wn: NO! sidux provides 2 little GUI-apps in their sidus:
[05:19] <kaba> sidux-menu:
[05:20] <h3sp4wn> They use xdialog though afaik
[05:20] <h3sp4wn> (Unless they changed to something else since it was kanotix)
[05:21] <kaba> h3sp4wn: ndiswrapper configuration + Network card configuration -- yeah, xdialog, but hell, it works!!!
[05:22] <kaba> h3sp4wn: I use Macs since 15yrs, and I like it easy ;)
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> kaba: Ubuntu wouldn't do that though (Debconf would be fine for me) doesn't look nice enough
[05:23] <kaba> h3sp4wn: do U assume I could get WLAN going with T2? in this case I would offer my -tester feedback
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> kaba: I don't know, changing stuff in the restricted modules package is a real pain
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> (for some reason they just put them all into one massive package
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> kaba: Do you want kde or gnome ?
[05:25] <kaba> h3sp4wn: so U suggest that I just try from the live-cd -- if my Atheros is recognised and if not wait and forget?
[05:26] <kaba> h3sp4wn: meanwhile I prefer KDE -- though its quite Windowsish ;)
[05:26] <h3sp4wn> kaba: I don't see much advantage of kde with ubuntu
[05:27] <kaba> h3sp4wn: Evolution ist just a piece of crap
[05:27] <kaba> no drag & drop
[05:29] <kaba> h3sp4wn: you are right -- except Kontact excels Evolution and Kopete supports yahoo webcam -- which I need for my African friends -- otherwise I dont care at all
[05:33] <kaba> h3sp4wn: not to 4get: KDE4 could make a BIG difference to Gnome
[05:34] <h3sp4wn> kaba: Maybe - however if I wanted to use kde I would want to be using a distro where it is a first class citizen
[05:35] <kaba> h3sp4wn: what do U use for e-mails?
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> mutt
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> I might switch to alpine though (used pine for a number of years)
[05:36] <kaba> h3sp4wn: know none of these -- where do U reside?
[05:36] <h3sp4wn> England
[05:36] <kaba> h3sp4wn: cheers from Berlin
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> Is it difficult to get help on #ubuntu+1 in german ?
[05:45] <kaba> h3sp4wn: I dont know, since its the 1st time trying and I am with an anglophone babe ;) so @ home we speak Engl.
[05:46] <kaba> h3sp4wn: which distro would U prefer for KDE?
[05:46] <axxo> at least type you if you're bothering with capitals
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> kaba: probably Sidux (I think it would take me maybe 20 mins to make an updated madwifi-source package) - I use e17 though (the advantages of kubuntu for me are completely offset by the added sluggishness)
[05:50] <kaba> h3sp4wn: what I miss in sidux is a GUI for apt-get to know what is installed and where, coz I want a simple system for my wife
[05:53] <h3sp4wn> kaba: Ah, upgrading kde while its running can sometimes cause some problems
[05:55] <kaba> h3sp4wn: thats what the siduxer also tell me, nevertheless I just wanna grasp what is where. the problem with Linux in general is, that you cant just use it (plug &play) but 1st configure this and read that. OK: Ubuntu was the best.
[05:56] <kaba> h3sp4wn: do U know a great PIM for Gnome?
[05:57] <h3sp4wn> kaba: I don't actually know what a "PIM" is
[05:57] <kaba> sorry: Personal Information Manager
[06:00] <kaba> h3sp4wn: do U think I get my Wlan more easy running under Gnome than KDE? -- comparing the -buntus
[06:05] <geser> kaba: if you get the kernel to support it, it shouldn't matter much if you use Gnome or KDE
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> kaba: You can get it running on anything if you build the madwifi trunk
[06:11] <kaba> h3sp4wn: I only wonder if Gnome isnt better for beginners like my wife
[06:11] <h3sp4wn> kaba: Maybe it is
[06:14] <ToHellWithGA> kaba: gnome is pretty good for a transition from windows
[06:14] <ToHellWithGA> xfce is ok but gnome is easier
[06:14] <ToHellWithGA> kde in its default state is a tad uncomfortable
[06:23] <lamalex> i like kde, i don't like what the kubuntu team does to it
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> lamalex: I would agree with that (I also don't like trying to make Xfce look like Gnome)
[06:54] <lamalex> yeah
[06:55] <lamalex> agreed there as well
[07:07] <kaba> h3sp4wn: Tribe2 brings: HAL Status13 -- hardware not supported :(
[07:46] <h3sp4wn> kaba: I don't know what the procedure is to get it added
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> I do know that dapper had both madwifi-old and madwifi-ng though
[08:24] <kaba> h3sp4wn: me either
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> kaba: I don't think they would be willing to backport the new hal to 0.9.3
[08:25] <kaba> h3sp4wn: this is common hardware :(
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> kaba: the trunk has other changes in it also though (refcount has been merged etc) If there is a madwifi release (before gutsy) then perhaps it would upgraded
[08:42] <kaba> h3sp4wn: I also wouldnt mind 2 continue using Ndis, but so far I have failed to install it without the apps of sidux
[08:42] <DanaG> Odd:
[08:42] <DanaG> We cannot provide e-mail addresses from your address book unless autocompletion is enabled.  To do this, from your mail program's menu, choose Edit - Preferences, and then Autocompletion.
[08:42] <DanaG> In deskbar applet.  Well, I DO have autocompletion enabled in Thunderbird.  Does it mean Evolution?
[08:42] <DanaG> Perhaps I should file a bug about ambiguous phrasing.
[08:43] <kaba> h3sp4wn: Gutsy was associating my card with the respective driver Net5211 -- but somehow I couldnt get connected
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> kaba: forget ndiswrapper
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> kaba: just get the latest snapshot of madwifi-ng
[08:44] <kaba> h3sp4wn: I cant compile stuff
[08:45] <kaba> h3sp4wn: thus I am checking this channel, if some pple might support me online. this might work out
[08:46] <axxo> so bored
[09:51] <Consty> I'm having a problem with NetworkManager.  It seems it doesn't show multiple wireless networks with the same ESSID.  It only attempts to join the first one that is detected and fails to even show the other one even though iwlist scanning displays it.
[09:51] <Consty> I'm forced to manually set the ESSID and Channel for which I want to join in the terminal because Network Manager doesn't show both.  Is there a way to fix this or use a different app?  Could it be a bug?
[09:52] <cliebow_> how about wifi-radar?
[09:52] <Consty> I've never tried it.. is that better?
[09:52] <cliebow_> i like it..network-mangler is difficult
[09:53] <Bill_> i just need to specify a mount point for linux, and i dont know what to do, I hear if you do partitions wrong it ban mess up one's whole system, and I want to get ubuntu running
[09:54] <Bill_> is anyone here?
[09:54] <Consty> cliebow_: I just installed it, but how do I go about seeing detected wireless networks?  It only seems to show me the one I'm connected to
[09:55] <Consty> cliebow_: ah nevermind it is showing.  but it's only showing 1 network with the essid instead of both.
[09:55] <Consty> cliebow_: It's really quite weird..
[09:56] <cliebow_> something is wonky...
[09:58] <cliebow_> i think you need to rethink your rssid scheme myself..
[09:58] <cliebow_> essid
[10:06] <Sonicadvance1> beh?
[10:34] <corevette> how do you install icon themes in gutsy?
[10:36] <DanaG> argh, gnome-settings-daemon just crashed.
[11:57] <Dannilion> ooh- updates broke Amarok, now updates are gonna fix it again :D
[11:59] <vicox> updates break and fix stuff all the time :)
[12:00] <Dannilion> yeah
[12:00] <Dannilion> I just noticed this one as Amarok suddenly crashed
[12:01] <h3sp4wn> Dannilion: Did you update it whilst it was running ?
[12:01] <Dannilion> no
[12:02] <Dannilion> Just I was trying to run Amarok, it crashed. Tried again, it crashed. Ran in Konsole, said there was a file missing. Started another update, and it said there's a file missing and here's an older one to replace it for now :p
[12:05] <hays> When I boot, my network device is not properly configured.  I must stop and start the networking init.d script.  Known isue?  How to debug?  I am running virtualized.
[12:05] <Dannilion> bah, update finished, amarok still no worky
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> hays: virtualised under what ?
[12:06] <hays> vmware workstation 6.0
[12:07] <hays> whoa, I have 32 updates from now to this morning.  hold on let me install these
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> Sorry don't know (if it was under user-mode-linux I might have been able to help you)
[12:07] <hays> one of them is base-files 4.0.0ubuntu2
[12:08] <wfarr> Can any of you replicate this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra/+bug/123163
[12:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123163 in compiz-fusion-plugins-extra "Missing libcubereflex.so" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[12:09] <Dannilion> I'm having a similar missing libsomething.so for amarok
[12:09] <wfarr> it's a bit unrelated to Compiz, but I'll still offer you a pity cookie for effort =P
[12:09] <Dannilion> yes
[12:09] <Dannilion> how long has it been missing?
[12:10] <wfarr> Uh... I've noticed this behavior for roughyl 3 to 4 weeks
[12:10] <wfarr> through several updates of the packages
[12:11] <Dannilion> ahh
[12:11] <wfarr> the only plugin to become working that wasn't in that time is animation
[12:14] <corevette> is there a cheatsheet for the keyboard commands for compiz fusion in gutsy?
[12:15] <wfarr> corevette, not particularly =p
[12:15] <wfarr> if you install compizfusion-settings-manager
[12:15] <wfarr> it will however, give you a nice interface from which to look
[12:16] <hays> I have a broken package.  How do I use the broken filter to locate it?