[12:20] <kwwii> good morning all!
[12:20] <kwwii> well, afternoon is more like it
[12:21] <kwwii> at least here
[12:27] <nysosym> hi kwwii my friend, how are u? :)
[12:35] <kwwii> nysosym: doing well, and you?
[12:36] <nysosym> a little bit sleepy but, fine :)
[12:36] <nysosym> what are the results of your irish trip? :)
[12:37] <kwwii> actually, I was in Glasgow :-(
[12:37] <kwwii> it was the wrong weekend to go to Glasgow
[12:37] <nysosym> why?
[12:39] <kwwii> well, there was a bombing at the airport :-(
[12:40] <nysosym> ohhh O.o, sry i didn*t read such kind of news...
[12:41] <nysosym> a personal trip, or a trip for canoncial?
[12:43] <kwwii> it was a personal trip
[12:44] <kwwii> I attended akademy (the KDE conference)
[12:44] <nysosym> ohh well, that's horrible
[12:44] <kwwii> it certainly made travelling horrible
[12:46] <nysosym> sure, was the rest of the trip fine? :)
[12:46] <kwwii> yepp
[12:47] <kwwii> I wonder if anyone is still working on their own community theme for Gutsy
[12:49] <nysosym> hmm i can't, a lot to do with my private work and i didn't know, that anybody still working on a community theme
[12:50] <kwwii> troy_s was talking about starting one, and nothlit`alpha also I think - I wonder what the status is
[12:53] <nysosym> Sounds good, but work smooth, apples "new" desktop, isn't revolutionary and apple is imho sate of the art :D
[12:55] <nothlit`alpha> lol yeah concept etc, but no feedback on mockups or concept, let alone contributions, so without any input its not a community theme
[12:56] <nysosym> feedback? Show me, what u have :D
[12:58] <nysosym> On the other side i think, it's an community theme, when no one of the main company has any proportion on that theme.
[12:59] <nothlit`alpha> bah, people.fluxbuntu.or's httpd is down, joejaxx, ping?
[12:59] <kwwii> I'd like to encourage people to make their own themes, it shows that the ubuntu artwork community can actually get something done :-)
[01:00] <kwwii> I've entertained the idea that we could all work on some part of Gutsy artwork together
[01:00] <kwwii> but I am worried about starting something without any momentum behind it
[01:01] <nothlit`alpha> its all on the mailing list, the concept is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme/Collaboration+Progress , old page @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityThem
[01:01] <nothlit`alpha> e
[01:02] <nothlit`alpha> if the httpd goes backup i'll link you my concept sketches and palettes
[01:03] <nothlit`alpha> kwwii: if you can get more momentum going than myself that would be incredibly great :)
[01:04] <nothlit`alpha> the first deadlines in august right?
[01:04] <kwwii> yepp
[01:04] <nysosym> wtf
[01:04] <nysosym> O.o
[01:05] <nysosym> and what we have is a color palette?
[01:05] <kwwii> also, I would like to find a couple of people to invite to the Gutsy+1 Ubuntu Developer Sprint in Boston this November
[01:05] <kwwii> nysosym: for a community theme you can use your own color palette
[01:05] <kwwii> there is no limits, really
[01:05] <kwwii> we just need someone to get something done that we can include on the CD
[01:05] <nysosym> kwwii: sure, but i speak about the official theme
[01:05] <nothlit`alpha> i thought it was a summit lol
[01:06] <kwwii> hehe, summit, sprint, I confuse them
[01:06] <lapo> hi
[01:06] <kwwii> hi lapo!
[01:06] <lapo> hey kwwii
[01:06] <nysosym> hi lapo
[01:06] <lapo> yo nysosym
[01:07] <nysosym> kwwii: and what are the limits for a theme, that we can include on the CD?
[01:07] <kwwii> nysosym: the only limit is that people have to like it somewhat :-)
[01:07] <nothlit`alpha> so how goes ubuntu mobile?
[01:08] <kwwii> if we can get a few of those in, I think it will go a long way to proving that we can work on the default artwork without worries
[01:08] <nysosym> kwwii: really? The theme could also have a complete new color palette?
[01:09] <kwwii> nysosym: yes, definitely
[01:09] <kwwii> nothlit`alpha: good, we are getting close now
[01:09] <nysosym> but would these match with the official ubuntu look? Everyone know ubuntu as a brown friendly system
[01:10] <nysosym> +warm
[01:10] <nothlit`alpha> just make sure its not radically different
[01:10] <nysosym> that's my question ;)
[01:10] <nothlit`alpha> well last release ubuntu was more orange? and it got more peachy this time around
[01:11] <nothlit`alpha> so theres definitely leeway, :P
[01:11] <nothlit`alpha> as long as you don't make it ice blue or all silver etc
[01:11] <nysosym> hehe
[01:11] <nysosym> Kubuntu like ;)
[01:12] <kwwii> because the community themes would not be default it is ok to make them any colors you want
[01:12] <nothlit`alpha> oh yeah lol :D
[01:12] <kwwii> suggesting and helping with the default artwork is much more defined
[01:13] <nysosym> kwwii: hmm i think at first we need a well formed official theme
[01:13] <kwwii> and yes, we will go away from the peachy colors
[01:13] <nothlit`alpha> but something along those lines would be a better demo for sabdfl?
[01:13] <kwwii> I think so
[01:13] <kwwii> it would prove what we can do
[01:13] <kwwii> and it gives the artist freedom to do whatever they want
[01:14] <nothlit`alpha> nysosym: you may also be interested in contributing to the ubun2 design project led by troy_s
[01:14] <kwwii> that is a very good idea
[01:15] <nysosym> kwwii: but the official human icon theme, has also "peachy" colors, what would happen with them?
[01:15] <nothlit`alpha> its not as much a community theme project as his vision but he definitely would value a few more skilled contributors
[01:15] <nothlit`alpha> those are made by the icon factory, and i don't know about peachy
[01:15] <kwwii> eventually we will have to do something about the human theme
[01:15] <kwwii> but to do so we would need to redo them all
[01:15] <kwwii> and convince SABDFL ;-)
[01:16] <nysosym> nothlit`alpha: have a look to the member list of ubun2design ;)
[01:16] <nothlit`alpha> sabdfl doesn't like the tango/tangerine, so atm we are still at those commisioned icons for official purposes
[01:16] <nothlit`alpha> nysosym: ahh lol sorry
[01:17] <nysosym> nothlit`alpha: but my time is very fluent...
[01:21] <lapo> I could redo all the human icons tango style in a pair of weeks (or a pair o full week ends), but you know no tango style allowed :-)
[01:37] <nysosym> for a long long time ago, i can still remember, i have made a Folder Concept, if anyone would have the svg source, only say one word :D
[01:37] <nysosym> http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfotobf7.png
[01:53] <kwwii> lapo: I think that sabdfl wants an icon theme that is unique to ubuntu (not that he hates tango or anything)
[02:06] <andreasn> are you having that discussion _again_ ?
[02:07] <andreasn> :)
[02:18] <kwwii> hehe, believe me, sometimes it feels like a film
[02:20] <andreasn> are you at akademy now?
[02:21] <kwwii> nope, I am back at home already - didn't stay long this year
[02:22] <nysosym> kwwii: maybe you should create some standard phrases, with a little script like "\sabdfl_tango" :D
[02:22] <kwwii> nysosym: it might save time
[02:22] <kwwii> make the markbot
[02:22] <nysosym> hehe :D
[02:25] <nysosym> Nobody wanna have my icons? :D
[02:26] <kwwii> nysosym: it looks like a good idea but people seem to be leaning to less-comic-style icon these days
[02:27] <nysosym> :'( ok *hanging down*....
[02:27] <nysosym> hehe joke :D
[02:27] <kwwii> it doesn't mean you shouldn't pursue this, of course
[02:28] <kwwii> the first icon theme you make yourself is a great learning experience anyway
[02:29] <nysosym> yes, when i had some time, i will made some more. At moment, i must create some company logos...
[02:29] <nysosym> that's boring in all way :D
[02:29] <nysosym> and frustrating, change that, change that etc. :D
[02:30] <kwwii> exactly
[02:30] <nysosym> and at the end, she use my first creation...
[02:31] <nysosym> that's the funniest part of all ^^
[02:31] <andreasn> kwwii: anyway, did you have a good time while being at akademy?
[02:33] <kwwii> andreasn: to be honest, in my opinion, it was not as good as previous ones
[02:34] <andreasn> sorry to hear that
[02:34] <kwwii> but I did start making a tape icon
[02:34] <nysosym> :)
[02:34] <andreasn> always something :)
[02:34] <kwwii> well, I was only there for 2+ days, so maybe the rest of the week will be better
[02:34] <kwwii> the first two days were just talks
[02:34] <kwwii> maybe that is why I didn't like it
[02:35] <kwwii> the kde-games guys and the artists working with them did a great presentation
[02:35] <kwwii> they brought kde games out of the dark ages
[02:36] <nysosym> hehe, talks could be very sleepy :D
[02:37] <nysosym> a creative head will do something and didn't talk about it
[02:37] <kwwii> well, there are two few interesting talks for artists at a developer summit
[02:37] <kwwii> unless I give one :p
[02:37] <nysosym> :)
[02:38] <nysosym> is it possible to read some presentations?
[02:38] <kwwii> no idea, I guess that the website would be the place to look for that
[02:39] <andreasn> yeah, we're going to be a bit short on those on guadec as well, half-considered doing one, but I prefer shutting up and draw ;)
[02:39] <andreasn> nysosym: I think there was some kind of summarys on dot.kde.org
[02:48] <nysosym> kwwii: are u on that picture?
[02:48] <nysosym> http://static.kdenews.org/danimo/akademy07/group-photo.html
[02:48] <kwwii> nysosym: nope, i took it
[02:48] <nysosym> damn ^^
[02:48] <kwwii> although that picis using someone elses camera
[02:49] <kwwii> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii/700250020/ is probably a bit better
[02:50] <nysosym> thx, much better :)
[02:50] <nysosym> don't get me wrong, but some of them looks really like a nerd :D
[02:52] <kwwii> the weather was horrible - it was really hard to get a decent shot
[02:52] <kwwii> lol, yeah...
[02:57] <nysosym> More Organised Community << well, a good and fundamental pont of sabdfl. Does he said, how we could solve this problem?
[02:57] <nysosym> *point
[02:58] <kwwii> it was more about development but yes he did touch on some points
[03:00] <nysosym> fine :), has anyone made some movies along the presentation?
[03:01] <kwwii> yes, but I have no idea where they are :-)
[03:03] <lapo> kwwii: put your oxygen hat on for a minute: do you plan to cover the naming specs with oxygen theme? there are a lot of holes atm
[03:04] <kwwii> lapo: yes we are trying
[03:05] <andreasn> http://git.jimmac.net/?theme=oxygen, seems actions are getting there
[03:05] <lapo> kwwii: sounds cool
[03:06] <nysosym> andreasn: wow what a nice summary, THX :)
[03:06] <andreasn> it's hammering the svn server like hell though :)
[03:07] <lapo> the hacking side of jimmac is cool eh :-)
[03:27] <lapo> nysosym: regarding jimmac script, if you're using firefox you can change the stylesheet to light (for..guess what? light bg :-))
[03:38] <nysosym> checked :D