=== dcsmith [n=dcsmith@ool-4351bc6d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun_ [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mikmorg [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-22149a6082b8d385] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] cjwatson: If you happen to still be around, I was wondering if I can trust Ubiquity to run /usr/lib/ubiquity/target-config AFTER it removes dpkgs based on the manifest diff? === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-068-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387F35E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios_ [n=cypher@201-66-90-198.ctaje700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cheeseboy [n=greg@68-116-186-240.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios_ [n=cypher@201-66-90-198.ctaje700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] hi mpt. when you have a couple of minutes I'd like to talk with you and hear your suggestions for a better naming of some terms used on aptoncd === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbeards [n=sbeards@128.120.51.65] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] rproenca, hi [02:43] rproenca: Hi. If you don't mind, can we talk about your suggestions? [02:45] sure [02:46] mpt: To don't flood the -devel with some OT content, you can join with me at #aptoncd, please [02:46] ok [02:58] StevenK: you around? [03:03] LaserJock: Nope. :-P === jinty [n=jinty@BAEbb89.bae.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [i=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RoninX341 [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] morning all === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === null____ [n=null@g624-9034.itee.uq.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === null____ [n=null@g624-9034.itee.uq.edu.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === cynics [n=cynics@123.116.99.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] hi Hobbsee [04:19] :) [04:19] someone's alive :) [04:22] somebody is always alive [04:24] LaserJock: it seems quiet today. really quiet [04:24] i mean, quieter than the weekends usually are [04:25] mhm === cynics [n=cynics@123.116.98.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] Good morning Hobbsee. [04:33] morning ScottK! [04:42] morning Hobbsee, ScottK, LaserJock, others [04:42] hi evand and ScottK [04:43] Heya LaserJock. [04:43] yo LaserJock [04:43] LaserJock: Have you done much with gpg? [04:43] ScottK: not other than signing packages [04:44] yo zakame [04:44] zakame: how's it going? [04:44] LaserJock: OK. Thanks. [04:45] ScottK: and I only recently started using seahorse for a key agent [04:45] I've always done it the "hard" way [04:45] Ah, well then you' [04:46] ... [04:46] ll be glad to know that debuild will now work with seahorse-agent in Gutsy. [04:46] ScottK: It works fine, with no messy .devscripts adjustments. [04:47] Yep. Thanks for testing it persia. [04:47] Thanks StevenK for fixing it. [04:52] heya evand! === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:53] LaserJock: looking at some revus now [04:53] the past couple of days have been terrible, with no electricity and all... [04:53] ah [04:54] zakame: check licencing, else Mithrandir will eat you === persia continues to believe that *eat* is not the appropriate verb in this context. Smite, maybe. Perhaps malign or defame, but "eat"? [04:58] Hobbsee: pointers to said eatings? === ScottK thinks persia hasn't met Mithrandir. [04:58] zakame: motu mailing list was his annoyed mail [04:58] zakame: he tends to take his victims into his cave, and eat them there, so it wouldnt be public [04:59] persia: yes, eat. You'll meet Mithrandir one day, i'm sure. [04:59] he likes threatening to eat people :P [04:59] ah, /me syncs [05:00] lolgrue [05:01] oh *darn*. i remember what i was going to discuss with pitti now. [05:02] It was the pinentry MIR, wasn't it? [05:06] no [05:11] Oh well. [05:12] ScottK: If you recall the "I want a pony" link and picture on fridge.u.c, that used to be MIR. :-P [05:12] IE: "No MIR for you!" === ScottK thinks Hobbsee wants what that MIR will bring, so retains hope. [05:13] hehe [05:15] better to eat people than throw them into a pool [05:15] And don't throw anyone whose eaten someone in the pool until after they've had 30 minutes to digest. === Hobbsee grumbles at horrible people like ajmitch [05:29] heh === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:36] You know, i wish that part of trademark policy stated that "if you want to make a custom cd distro, please point your bugtracker somewhere else" [05:37] heh [05:37] Hobbsee: What are you getting bugs from? [05:38] ScottK: ubuntu CE, ubuntu lite, ubuntu mint, ubuntu + automatix/... [05:38] the mint ones, particularly [05:38] well, linuxmint. [05:38] Ah. [05:39] Hobbsee: well, Launchpad is supposed to be used by many distros === ScottK just periodically searches LP for bugs with the phrase automatix and rejects most of them (a few look legit). [05:39] LaserJock: true - but they tend to get their bugs filed in the source pacakges of ubuntu [05:40] oh, and that they need to have a custom distro name in their /etc/lsb_release. [05:40] (so we can pick out their bugs) [05:42] Hobbsee: they use Ubuntu in /etc/lsb_release? [05:42] That's really bad. [05:42] not positive.. [05:42] i think some of them do - or did [05:43] Maybe Ubuntu CE needs a bug tracker where they are refered to as 'divine interference' instead of bugs. === Hobbsee snorts [05:43] Speaking of LSB, is there a way using lsb tools to differentiate Ubuntu and Kubuntu? [05:43] i like that [05:44] morning === StevenK waves to fabbione [05:45] morning fabbione! [05:46] minghua: i think kubuntu currently has hte same stuff as ubuntu in the lsb stuff [05:47] Hobbsee: Yeah, I think it should as it use the same lsb* packages as Ubuntu. Hence my question. [05:47] bug #15739 [05:47] Launchpad bug 15739 in Ubuntu "libgd: new changes from Debian require merging" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15739 [05:48] minghua: ah right. it does [05:49] minghua: I think most derivs don't even know what /etc/lsb_release is === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] :-( === stahnma [n=stahnma@c-76-18-178-254.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stahnma [n=stahnma@c-76-18-178-254.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-3-213.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ijuz__ [n=ijuz@p54ABCC50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryan__ [n=bryan@cpe-76-179-90-107.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryan__ is now known as Toxicity999 === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-117-241.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [i=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ is now known as gouki === bryan [n=bryan@cpe-76-179-90-107.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryan is now known as Toxicity999 === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wattazoum [n=wattazou@ant06-1-82-242-110-34.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dAndy [i=dandy@serenity.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk_ [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEE22B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F76E35.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ccm [n=damokles@lilith.spinnenwerk.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] good morning [09:01] iz Daniel in many channels [09:01] hey ccm [09:02] hi dholbach === StevenK waves to dholbach [09:02] hiya LaserJock [09:02] hey StevenK [09:02] hey, dholbach === Mithrandir jumps on SK [09:02] Ooof [09:02] I hardly know you! [09:03] i am suprised how many karma points launchpads gives you for answering questions [09:03] that never stopped Mithrandir from doing anything :) === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] pitti! [09:03] hey pitti [09:04] hiya pitti === zen-afk [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] Good morning everyone [09:05] pitti: Re-run the cruft checker at your leisure, please. [09:05] StevenK: I will; and I'll finally take some time to set up an automatic one [09:06] Yay! [09:06] morning pitti! [09:06] hey Hobbsee [09:06] pitti: The last 45 of 46 mails in my INBOX are Accepted mails, with 1 being a build failure on ia64. [09:06] StevenK: wow, curl? :) [09:07] Nah, I've been working through flac as best I can. [09:07] erk, I'm sorry for DoSing the PPA buildd: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/+builds/rubidium/+history === ivoks [n=ivoks@193.198.164.247] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] haha [09:08] heh [09:08] The problem with flac is the API changed in incompatible ways, and worse, the virtual-ness of some objects have changed, which leads to some build failures. [09:08] morning Hobbsee [09:08] morning Mithrandir! === GNUdog [n=GNUdog@218.28.13.157] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] pitti: I plan on doing most of curl tonight, if I can. === pitti puts the "Mr. Archive-Proper" Badge on StevenK's chest === StevenK grins [09:10] StevenK: what is it that you're doing? [09:11] he's breaking things [09:11] LaserJock: A metric shedload of rebuilds for archive cruft. And being pitti's hero in the process. [09:11] And what Hobbsee said. [09:11] oh, excellent [09:12] I love those kinds of QAish things [09:17] StevenK: I don't think thats the *only* problem with flac :) [09:17] lifeless: Agreed. :-) [09:18] morning all === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] hi sladen [09:24] StevenK: cruft updated === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] hey seb218 [09:25] hey seb128, too [09:25] hello pitti [09:26] pitti: Thanks === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a59d:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] Ugh. oo.org is in the list for libcurl4. [09:28] StevenK: better leave that to doko; unnecessary rebuilds are a pain [09:28] I was planning on. [09:29] Given it also seems to take 2 rubber chickens and goat to get oo.org to build sucessfully. [09:29] StevenK: at this point I wonder whether it wouldn't make more sense to have libcurl3 Provide: libcurl4 [09:29] StevenK: rubber chickens? [09:29] StevenK: instead of going through all this rebuild mess [09:30] Hrm. [09:30] StevenK: for all practical purposes, ABI 3 and 4 are the same now, right? [09:30] It's a symlink, so I don't think there are any differences at all. [09:30] But since libcurl4 has existed before, we can't use versioned Provides. [09:31] StevenK: ok, then maybe introducing a dummy package which just depends on libcurl3 [09:31] well, apart from the fact that our packaging system doesn't support versioned provides? [09:32] hrmpf. for some reason, gdm thinks my $HOME was full or not writable. I cannot find a report in launchpad, but wanted to ask if someone has already observed that behavior (current gutsy, that is) [09:32] Which is then another change away from Debian, and may bite us the next time they update curl. [09:33] StevenK: they won't move to libcurl4, that soname is used now. [09:33] siretart: what permissions do you use for the directory? [09:33] seb128: I tried even with 777 for my home, no change (and disk is NOT full) [09:33] libcurl4 -> libcurl5 (if it happens) will be a barrel of laughs. [09:34] siretart: the partition didn't get remounted ro due to errors or something? [09:34] StevenK: that's what I mean with 'for all practical purposes' -> upstream has to bump to 5 next time [09:34] pitti: If you think that's a way out of this mess, I'm happy to upload curl again. [09:34] seb128: no, it is writable. I can work as normal after I got login [09:35] StevenK: let's think about it a bit deeper, wrt. shlibs files and such === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] siretart: please ask iwj; he recently did some experiments and changes for handling a full $HOME [09:35] seb128: it's just that gdm complains about .dmrc not writable, and places my XAUTHORITY to /tmp [09:35] siretart: k, so I don't know, you are the first to complain about it on gutsy [09:35] pitti: By my count there is ~ 40 rebuilds for curl4. [09:35] siretart: maybe he left some piece of testing code somewhere [09:35] StevenK: hm, 40 rebuilds wouldn't be too bad, but it's still a nuisance [09:35] siretart: active debug mode and look to the log maybe [09:35] pitti: *nod* [09:35] seb128: how to do that? [09:36] gdm.conf? [09:36] siretart: run gdmsetup and click the option [09:36] ah, ok [09:36] it's in the security tab [09:36] StevenK: but I can't see anything wrong with a dummy libcurl4 which depends on libcurl3; if the shlibs point to 3, rebuilds will ignore it, and the installed system should cope because the 4 symlink is in libcurl3 [09:37] found it [09:37] And if packages depend on libcurl4 currently, and get rebuilt, they'll jump over to libcurl3, which is no bad thing. [09:39] StevenK: right, so at the end of gutsy we might get rid of it again [09:39] Exactly. [09:40] . o O { and if Debian decides to go back to four, we are prepared } [09:40] :) [09:40] Heh [09:40] pitti: I'll start on preparing an upload when I get home, and point you at a debdiff. [09:41] StevenK: cool, thanks [09:41] seb128: nope. nothing interesting neither in ~/.Xsession-errors nor in /var/log/gdm/:0.log [09:41] siretart: and /var/log/syslog? [09:42] wow, there's more (and partly localized!) === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] Jul 3 09:39:18 faui44a gdm[17695] : WARNING: gdm_slave_session_start: Gruppe hat Schreibzugriff auf /home/siretart. [09:43] ah, right, gdm doesn't like having user directory writable for other users [09:43] it complains if the group has write access?! [09:43] WTF?! [09:43] it considers it not secure [09:43] it should be +w for your user only [09:44] retrying === siretart hugs seb128 [09:44] seb128: that did the trick [09:45] ;) [09:45] okay, now I can retitle and correct my just filed bugreport [09:45] _("User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. " [09:45] "This prevents the default session " [09:45] "and language from being saved. File " [09:45] "should be owned by user and have 644 " [09:45] "permissions. User's $HOME directory " [09:45] "must be owned by user and not writable " [09:45] "by other users.")); [09:45] [09:45] that's the normal error message [09:45] you didn't get it? [09:45] it is NOT writeable by other users [09:46] it was g+w no? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] I have my own user group (named like my username), which has no other users [09:46] so there are no other users with write permissions there [09:46] you mentionned trying 777 before [09:46] the error messages says 'should not' not 'must not' [09:46] that was for debugging, normally I have it set to 775 === thekorn [n=thekorn@130.75.237.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] TBH, I copied my home directory from my debian system. the gdm over there didn't complain about this === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] so therefore I didn't notice that [09:48] we don't change gdm [09:48] so either Debian patch gdm to not display the warning or the upstream behaviour changed in a new version [09:49] right, it happens when the directory is g+w [09:49] I strongly recommend to s/should be owned/must be owned/ in the error message [09:50] because that's closer to the truth [09:50] feel free to update the bug description with suggestions on what you would change ;) [09:50] I rejected the bug for now [09:51] but the behavior on user home set to 775 should get more though. I need to think about it === cassidy [n=cassidy@106.113-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] Mithrandir: hm, I NEWed the hildon-contol-l10n thing yesterday, but the other package is still not in NEW; it's FTBFS? [09:56] pitti: yes, I fixed it this morning, it should be there in about an hour. [09:56] Mithrandir: did you ever find out what happened to the developer weather report? [09:57] Mithrandir: ah, the symlinks to auto* stuff? [09:57] yes [09:57] Mithrandir: I noticed them, but I thought you would b-dep on autotools or so [09:57] pitti: yes, that would have been bright to do. :-) [09:57] Hobbsee: disappeared into the whole named "ENOTIME", iirc. [09:58] Mithrandir: right. dont suppose anyone published notes about them somewhere? i know bdmurray had a lot [09:58] Mithrandir: or that fell into the "ENOTIME" hole too? === mvo [n=egon@p54A677BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] Hobbsee: I think sobby might have eaten them for breakfast. [09:59] tasty. [10:00] then i'll grab them off bdmurray, as i noticed he was writing them in vi. === macd [n=d@cl-116.atl-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] or, attempt to [10:00] Mithrandir: you should really make sure you feed sobby a bit more... === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] maybe then it wouldnt eat things it's nto supposed to [10:00] hi jono [10:01] There's a patch for sobby eating things on Launchpad. Anyone want to test it? [10:01] have we dropped breezy backports ? [10:02] lifeless: Breezy has been dead for a while, so yes. [10:02] hey [10:02] that would explain the conflict checker errors [10:03] hiya trouble === mathiaz [i=mathiaz@nat/canonical/x-398bb7803d8ee2f1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] Right, why did mysql-server-5.0's postinst cause [10:10] *cause my kernel to OOPS repeatedly? [10:15] mvo: conflictchecker is running on macaroni now [10:16] just need a bzr version thats not prehistoric :) [10:16] lifeless: heh :) good news! [10:16] in a role account [10:17] lifeless: there's a machine named macaroni? [10:17] doko: does http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zope3/news/20070625T194326Z.html mean that we can sync now? [10:17] Hobbsee: :) [10:17] : [10:17] :) [10:19] http://macaroni.ubuntu.com/~conflictchecker/ [10:25] Hobbsee: it's a kind of penguin, so yes, naturally we have a machine called macaroni. [10:25] Hobbsee: more confusing is we have a machine named gentoo.. [10:25] Mithrandir: heh === Hobbsee wants a macaroni penguin! [10:27] erk, I never actually uploaded the new hal [10:27] mvo: progress: http://macaroni.ubuntu.com/~conflictchecker/possible-conflicts.txt === stub [i=stub@nat/canonical/x-3d1cdee92b9f1754] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz_ [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-90732d9d494b2fa7] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [10:48] our kernel source doesnt ship any oss headers anymore, does anyone know if thats an upstream drop ? === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] ogra: Which header in particular are you looking for? [10:55] pitti: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/curl.debdiff === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pD9E60717.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] shawarma, ac97.h and soundcore.h from the oss subdir for example === jinty [n=jinty@BAA5241.baa.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] shawarma, seems with .21 all of that was dropped, i have a very popular (even though very bad) thin client that only has an oss driver ... [10:56] mvo: did you end up writing a spec about the upgrader for mobile? [10:57] i'd like to have a sis7019-source package so people can at least build the driver ... [10:57] ogra: They're still in the kernel source.. Hm. [10:57] and i need to know if its safe to delive the headers inside that package or if the oss headers might come back or something [10:57] shawarma, i only found alsa headers n ym source [10:57] *in my [10:58] (note there is an ac97 for alsa as well as one for oss) [10:59] StevenK: I would change the "Depends: libcurl3" line to have an (= ${binary:Version}); similar for the Depends: libcurl3-gnutls one [10:59] ogra: ./sound/oss/ac97.h is in my tree. [10:59] Ah, good point. [11:00] ogra: git tree, that is. Not from linux-source-2.6.22. I don't know about that one. [11:00] pitti: debdiff updated. [11:00] ogra@laptop:/opt/ltsp/i386/root$ ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-6-generic/sound/oss/ [11:00] dmasound emu10k1 Kconfig Makefile [11:00] lol @ "This is a transitional package depending on the older (newer) SONAME of libcurl" [11:00] ogra: What about /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-6 ? [11:01] or wasn't it the newer (older) one? [11:01] pitti: :-) [11:01] shawarma, same [11:01] It's older now, since libcurl3 is the real library and libcurl4 is a symlink [11:01] shawarma, i'm fine if they are gone :) i just dont want to clash [11:02] StevenK: Section: libs -> Section: oldlibs (minor nitpick only) [11:02] i'm also pretty sure there are no oss drivers at all in the archive anywhere [11:02] StevenK: looks good to me otherwise [11:02] so it wouldnt be a loss :) === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] pitti: For both curl4's? [11:03] StevenK: yes, I think so [11:03] StevenK: really just a cosmetical detail, though [11:03] pitti: no, zope3 has a different source tarball, unfortunately [11:03] did do it manually [11:03] doko: ah, ok [11:04] pitti: Done, and uploading. [11:04] StevenK: next thing they'll do is probably go to libcurl3.5 [11:04] shawarma, 2.6.20 seems to be the last that had them [11:04] Pity that I just missed the publisher. [11:04] Hobbsee: libcurl3.14.15.9 ? [11:04] (here at least without git) [11:04] Mithrandir: even better. [11:05] But TeX already has that numbering scheme. [11:05] so somebody is then bound to port curl to TeX === StevenK sobs. [11:05] Mithrandir: and build it with yada. === StevenK sobs louder [11:06] Mithrandir: and then request a MIR for it, [11:06] curl is already in main. [11:06] oh, damn. [11:06] BAD Hobbsee [11:06] so it is === Hobbsee looks around innocently [11:06] me? bad? === thekorn [n=thekorn@vpn181.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] hi thekorn [11:07] thekorn: looking forward to use the new p-lp-bugs API :) [11:07] Mithrandir: i couldnt possibly be bad! [11:07] hi pitti, thanks for your mail [11:07] hi thekorn , oh what a nice domain :) === pitti hugs thekorn for being one of the (apparently very few) active GSoCers === ogra is happy to see soeone from hannover :) === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6454C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] Mithrandir: "tell him he's dreaming, son" [11:08] actually, probably only people like StevenK will get that. [11:08] ogra: Ah, it seems that nowadays only the .h-files from include/ is put into the linux-header-* packages. [11:08] shawarma, do you know if it will stay that way ? [11:08] ogra: No clue. [11:09] who would know ? BenC ? [11:09] ogra: Why doesn't the kernel package build your driver? [11:09] ogra: Probably. === thekorn hugs pitti back [11:09] shawarma, there is no package, i have a sis7019.c file, thats all [11:10] ogra: I meant our official, normal kernel package. [11:10] shawarma, we dont build/ship/support oss :) [11:10] ogra: The header files you're missing are still in linux-source-2.6.22, aren't they? [11:10] Hobbsee: Heh [11:10] Hobbsee: Great movie. :-) [11:10] ogra: We ought to for stuff that's not supported by ALSA, I think. [11:11] StevenK: yup :D [11:11] ogra: that would be the right thing to to. [11:11] ogra: do, even. [11:11] shawarma, thats would break a lot in our setup i think [11:11] this is a very very rare case, usually there is an alsa driver ... [11:11] ogra: Just adding an extra driver? [11:12] hmm [11:12] sounds pretty innocent to me. [11:12] you need to configure it [11:12] it needs setup in modprobe.d etc [11:12] ogra: Ah.. [11:12] and it needs oss stuff in the back (i.e. ac97_codec for oss) [11:13] ogra: Right, ok. === aigarius [n=aigarius@87.226.72.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] ogra: This is not a very common thin client, I suppose? [11:13] i'm fine with either having a source package the users can build with m-a or a binary in universe or so [11:13] it will become a very common one [11:14] shawarma, http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-2300.htm [11:14] you can get it for $80 [11:15] its as small as a CD and you can attach it to the back of most flat panels [11:15] (its the wrost HW ever though) [11:16] ScottK: pinentry> it b-deps against glib/gtk 1.2, which we want to get rid of in main; does the package support 2.0 as well? please disable gtk or use 2.0 [11:17] if you ever want to see how nautilus draws the background use that thing at 1600x1200 resolution :) [11:18] ogra: I was fixing a pc for friend with a Dell 27" screen. 2560x1600 [11:18] Burgundavia, well, but thats wasnt a 200Mhz one with badly supported shared graphics [11:19] i guess [11:19] Burgundavia: 30" runs at that res [11:19] siti: it might have been 30". I was big and I wanted it [11:19] :) [11:19] pitti: I've just removed gstreamer0.8 from the archive [11:20] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPinentry updated === Fujitsu applauds seb128. [11:20] seb128: yay! === Hobbsee hugs seb128. yay! [11:20] ;) [11:20] seb128: Yay! [11:20] seb128, poor Hobbsee, now she has to explain it to shirish [11:20] ogra: explain what now? [11:21] ogra: lol === ogra waits for the mail to devel-discuss === Fujitsu shudders at the mention of that name. [11:21] ogra: Hahahah. [11:21] Hobbsee, gstreamr0.8 was just dropped :) [11:21] ogra: That's naughty. === ogra goes to the corner [11:21] ogra: "gstreamer0.8|0.10-swfdec in launchpad" on the mailing list [11:21] yeah :) [11:22] ogra: i realise that, but what's that got to do with shirish? [11:22] Hobbsee, now there is no "gstreamer0.8-swfdec anymore [11:22] Hobbsee: he's the one who sent the mail on the mailinglist [11:22] ogra: ah right [11:22] seb128: yeah, i remember that much. didnt remember that he was talking about 0.8-swfdec though [11:23] seb128: according to him "You're a good MOTU" iirc :P === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] ogra: no, i can just ignore him, on the basis that it's against the COC to tell him what i really think. [11:23] pdflatex: symbol lookup error: pdflatex: undefined symbol: _ZN12GlobalParamsC1EPc [11:23] arrgh [11:24] seb128: ^ poppler love again? :/ [11:24] Mithrandir: hildon-control-panel-dbg_1.9.5-1ubuntu3_all.deb ... dbg arch all, doesn't look like it's correct [11:24] Hobbsee: I'm sure you can get an exemption. [11:24] heh [11:24] seb128: ouch, true. [11:24] seb128: can you NEW it anyway and I'll fix it with a new upload? [11:24] Mithrandir: ok [11:25] Fujitsu: no, no. i dont think so. [11:26] Fujitsu: i'm coping enough crap over telling someone who was harassing me to F$%& off, on the irc mailing list. [11:26] Neat. [11:27] Fujitsu: it doesnt seem to matter that the guy was harassing me enough, that when the staffers saw the logs from it, they klined him immediately. no, the problem is that i apparently broke the COC by responding in such a manner. [11:27] go figure. [11:27] the dissenting members have now been enlightened, incidently. [11:27] pitti: bug #121327 [11:27] Launchpad bug 121327 in texlive-bin "pdflatex produces a symbol lookup failure since recent libpoppler upgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121327 [11:27] Mithrandir: accepted [11:27] seb128: oh, thanks === aigarius [n=aigarius@87.226.72.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] seb128: thanks [11:28] seb128: erk, that seems to be more than a rebuild [11:29] pitti: yeah, they broke the API again it looks like :/ [11:29] mvo_: hey, i have a working https transport :-) [11:29]