[01:13] <Daviey> hopefully not the tv :)
[01:13] <foxbuntu_> idk....at least the wife would let me buy a new one then
[01:14] <Daviey> superm1: did keescook have any joy with the lspci?
[01:14] <superm1> haven't spoken to him about it since last time you saw
[01:15] <foxbuntu_> why doe the installer window suddenly resize when you select advanced?
[01:16] <superm1> are you in a VM?
[01:16] <foxbuntu_> no
[01:16] <superm1> i think i know what the cause of it is, and its related to translations
[01:16] <superm1> but i've not seen it outside a vm
[01:16] <foxbuntu_> does vnc work yet?
[01:17] <superm1> yes
[01:17] <foxbuntu_> it doesnt auto fill the default DB name in the MYSQL info anymore
[01:18] <superm1> in which?
[01:18] <foxbuntu_> frontend only install
[01:18] <superm1> auto fill?
[01:18] <superm1> you need the info in order to do that type of install
[01:18] <superm1> for your master backend and such
[01:19] <foxbuntu_> you had it set before that the MySQL DB field was already filled with "mythconverg" the default name
[01:19] <foxbuntu_> and now its now
[01:19] <foxbuntu_> not*
[01:19] <superm1> oh
[01:20] <superm1> i guess it does make sense to leave it as a default
[01:21] <foxbuntu_> where does that file reside with the MySQL password again? (theres something to add to that same screen as a note)
[01:21] <superm1> it should be on that screen
[01:21] <superm1> /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[01:23] <foxbuntu_> nice on the TV out options
[01:23] <superm1> if they work right of course :)
[01:24] <foxbuntu_> indeed
[01:24] <foxbuntu_> the install is rolling now
[01:25] <superm1> fairly painless procedure?
[01:25] <foxbuntu_> yea...I would just add the note about that password for people like me
[01:25] <superm1> i coulda sworn there was one there already
[01:25] <superm1> but i could be crazy
[01:25] <foxbuntu_> your crazy
[01:26] <foxbuntu_> (but we all already knew that)
[01:26] <foxbuntu_> wow...this old emachine dvd burner is fast
[01:30] <foxbuntu_> rebooting
[01:32] <foxbuntu_> the nviida auto select is still killing me tho
[01:34] <superm1> its just too high of a resolution for that monitor
[01:34] <superm1> but still usable?
[01:34] <foxbuntu_> yea
[01:34] <foxbuntu_> well
[01:34] <foxbuntu_> not usable
[01:34] <superm1> why?
[01:34] <foxbuntu_> becuase 25 - 30% of the screen cant be seen
[01:35] <superm1> how about other things - did they work out as expected?
[01:36] <foxbuntu_> still no audio
[01:36] <superm1> i thought that was from the onboard having issues?
[01:36] <superm1> not being enabled
[01:36] <superm1> in the bios
[01:36] <foxbuntu_> orgianlly I thought so...but its enabled right now
[01:36] <foxbuntu_> unless the installer somehow killed it
[01:37] <superm1> there is *nothing* in the installer touching anything related to audio
[01:37] <superm1> whatsoever
[01:37] <foxbuntu_> i figured that much
[01:38] <foxbuntu_> this is the most expensive board I own too
[01:38] <superm1> well like i said before, file a bug with that alsa script
[01:39] <superm1> its possible alsa is broken for your board
[01:39] <foxbuntu_> yea
[01:39] <foxbuntu_> teach me for getting a better board
[01:40] <superm1> well no, you can provide very valuable information here to crimsun
[01:40] <superm1> so that it can be fixed by release
[01:58] <foxbuntu_> eww
[01:58] <superm1> ?
[01:58] <foxbuntu_> how would I switch mythtv to use OSS
[01:58] <superm1> take out ALSA:default
[01:58] <superm1> and put /dev/dsp
[01:58] <superm1> why would you even want to though?
[02:01] <foxbuntu_> just testing a theory
[02:01] <superm1> OSS support is emulated though
[02:01] <superm1> via alsa
[02:01] <foxbuntu_> oh
[02:02] <superm1> hence why i was asking why you'd want to
[02:02] <foxbuntu_> i think the problems are form the nForce drivers
[02:02] <superm1> from the nforce drivers?
[02:03] <foxbuntu_> yea
[02:04] <superm1> the nforce drivers aren't installed
[02:04] <superm1> the open source ones are
[02:04] <foxbuntu_> this board had the nForce Ac'97 chipset
[02:04] <superm1> the nforce ones didn't support alsa last i checked
[02:04] <foxbuntu_> thus my issue
[02:04] <superm1> nope
[02:04] <superm1> there are plenty of boards out there nforce cards
[02:04] <superm1> that work the open source driver
[02:04] <superm1> the ac97 codec is a pretty broad thing
[02:05] <superm1> you saw that the driver was loaded
[02:05] <superm1> and your mixer worked
[02:05] <superm1> but no audio, hence why i said to file a bug
[02:05] <superm1> and submit that script
[02:05] <superm1> crimsun debugs this stuff all the time
[02:05] <foxbuntu_> k
[02:06] <foxbuntu_> drop the bug where again?
[02:06] <superm1> against the alsa source package
[02:06] <foxbuntu_> k
[02:07] <superm1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+filebug
[02:18] <tgm4883> anyone use a dual layer dvd burner in their mythtv setup?
[02:20] <foxbuntu> neg
[02:21] <foxbuntu> I do have one, but dont use it
[02:21] <foxbuntu> anyone else have input here?
[02:21] <superm1_> tgm4883, i have
[02:21] <superm1> your looking to burn dvds with files > 4 GB i'm guessing?
[02:22] <tgm4883> yea
[02:22] <tgm4883> mine went kaput
[02:22] <superm1> yea thats a really ugly situation right now
[02:22] <superm1> ISO9660 doesn't allow any files bigger than 4GB on a level 3 disk
[02:22] <superm1> and if you use a dual layer disk the same problem happens
[02:22] <superm1> so there are three possible solutions
[02:22] <superm1> 1) Make the file smaller (take out commercials and such)
[02:23] <superm1> 2) Split it into multiple pieces (preferably less than 2GB each)
[02:23] <superm1> 3) Burn a UDF DVD
[02:23] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:24] <tgm4883> My goal would be to play it in a regular DVD player
[02:24] <tgm4883> #1 is for sure
[02:25] <superm1> okay thats a diff issue then
[02:25] <superm1> mytharchive should be able to re-encode the files
[02:25] <tgm4883> We want to reencode the files?  To make them smaller or are they not DVD complient?
[02:26] <superm1> well depending where they are recorded from both
[02:26] <superm1> if they are from a pvr-xxx card, and recorded at the right resolution, then just the former
[02:26] <tgm4883> The correct resolution being?  720x480?
[02:27] <tgm4883> Mostly it is for stuff via my STB
[02:27] <tgm4883> Motorola 6200
[02:27] <superm1> ah via firewire?
[02:28] <tgm4883> yes
[02:28] <superm1> does the resolution ever change during the files?
[02:28] <superm1> like durign a commercial
[02:28] <superm1> or the bitrate
[02:28] <superm1> or the frame rate
[02:28] <tgm4883> I dont believe so
[02:29] <superm1> well if that's the case, it is likely dvd compliant
[02:29] <tgm4883> although I would wonder if it is under 9000kbps
[02:29] <superm1> but you can re-encode the video for size (and lower quality) if you want it to go on the dvd as dvd video
[02:29] <superm1> if its just 720x480 it should be
[02:30] <tgm4883> I blame my brother for all these questions.  He couldn't have it easy and have a mythtv system
[02:30] <foxbuntu__> neato...wifi router went BLEH!
[02:30] <tgm4883> well in any case, I need a new DVD burner.  My HP lasted about 75 burns and less than a year.
[02:31] <superm1> warranty
[02:31] <superm1> foxbuntu__, did vnc and ssh and nfs and samba work out for you as expected?
[02:32] <superm1> (or whichever ones you turned on)
[02:32] <tgm4883> Well, I actually don't think it's under warranty anymore.  Aren't they only 1 year?  I burned the first 75 in about 3 months, then didn't try to use it until recently.  About 13 months later
[02:32] <tgm4883> I am working with them though
[02:32] <superm1> oh thats a shame
[02:32] <tgm4883> they want me to upgrade the firmware
[02:32] <tgm4883> which is a pain
[02:32] <superm1> can you do it via a VM?
[02:32] <superm1> or is it a dos boot disk?
[02:32] <foxbuntu__> superm1: I dont think smb is working
[02:32] <foxbuntu__> or nfs
[02:32] <superm1> foxbuntu__, well it shouldnt be if you had a frontend install
[02:32] <foxbuntu__> but ssh is
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> oh
[02:33] <superm1> now that i think about it -  it shouldnt have even been an option
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> i thought you meant it was supposed to be working
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> then yes
[02:33] <superm1> well i was thinking what was on that page normally
[02:33] <rogue780> did someone ask for me? the channel was blue in the list...but I don't see where someone said me name
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> oh I did
[02:33] <foxbuntu__> i pmed you
[02:34] <tgm4883> Haven't tried a VM, tried putting it in an external enclosure, but that didn't work.  Tried Wine for the heck of it.  Now im installing win 2000 on an old 10Gb HD on my mythbuntu test machine.  So hopefully this will work
[02:34] <tgm4883> I'll never buy another HP device again if it is broke.
[02:34] <superm1> foxbuntu__, you need to register with freenode to PM
[02:34] <foxbuntu__> oh
[02:34] <foxbuntu__> did not know that
[02:34] <superm1> well depending on how they interface with it, the VM may or may not work
[02:35] <tgm4883> 75 burns and 150 lightscribe burns shouldn't ruin your DVD drive.  Won't even read CD's right now
[02:35] <superm1> wow
[02:35] <superm1> thats ridiculous
[02:35] <foxbuntu__> tgm4883: the lightscribe destroys the drives
[02:35] <tgm4883> The good news is that I didn't really buy it.  It was for work so my company bought it, but it's still a PITA
[02:35] <tgm4883> Lightscribe destroys drives?  How?
[02:36] <superm1> i've never heard that before either
[02:36] <superm1> its different lasers
[02:36] <foxbuntu__> tgm4883: it wears the laser out way faster than normal
[02:36] <superm1> foxbuntu__, do you have an article your referencing regarding that?
[02:36] <rogue780> I think what lightscribe drives need is a really big "laser"
[02:37] <foxbuntu__> in my experience with those drives the more you use that feature the faster they die
[02:37] <rogue780> anyone on pownce?
[02:37] <superm1> rogue780, what is that?
[02:37] <tgm4883> I'm not that impressed with lightscribe anyway.  It's better than sharpie, but you still need special disks. If I need special disks anyway, I might as well buy the ones you can print on and get color
[02:37] <rogue780> http://digg.com/software/Pownce_Up_close_and_personal
[02:38] <tgm4883> I could see the motor wearing out faster, but not the laser
[02:38] <rogue780>  http://www.addoneword.com/ ---anyone can contribute to the story one word at a time....how could this possibly end up badly?
[02:39] <foxbuntu__> its been awhile since i have delt with them...but i blew up a few of them using that (back when I "rented" hardware from bby)
[02:39] <rogue780> you can rent hardware? wtf?
[02:40] <foxbuntu__> yea credit card + bby + 30 day return policy = rental
[02:40] <tgm4883> lol
[02:40] <tgm4883> thats borderline fraud isn't it
[02:41] <foxbuntu__> no, because if you don't like it you can return it, says so right in the policy
[02:41] <foxbuntu__> (former bby employee)
[02:41] <foxbuntu__> lol
[02:42] <tgm4883> with the stipulation that you are returning it because you didn't like it.  Not premeditating that you planed on returning it before you bought it
[02:42] <foxbuntu__> you can't do it alot or they wont let you return stuff anymore...but none the less
[02:42] <foxbuntu__> but they would have to prove that
[02:43] <superm1> keescook, some time back i had asked you about how to checkout just the latest part of a bzr branch.  i learned this weekend bzr co --lightweight only checks out the last revision, so all the history before hand is ignored
[02:43] <tgm4883> Thats not the point though
[02:43] <tgm4883> There are a lot of things that you can get away with that they wouldn't be able to prove.  Doesn't mean that you should do it
[02:43] <foxbuntu__> lol...I only ever rented parts I didnt have for testing at the time (which anymore, i have too may parts)
[02:44] <tgm4883> lol, my problem too, to many parts
[02:44] <foxbuntu__> you should see the piles of random junk I have
[02:45] <rogue780> I've got a rack-mount server measuring approx 3'x3' with dual PII-400mhz and two 9gb SCSI drives if anyone wants it. I'm in MD
[02:45] <tgm4883> rogue780, does that come with free shipping :)
[02:46] <rogue780> sure...just as long as you give me a ....say $50 UPS gift card ;)
[02:46] <tgm4883> Deal
[02:46] <tgm4883> j/k, im thinking it's more than $50 to send that to Oregon
[02:47] <tgm4883> It's amazing,  I can remember back when 133Mhz was the fastest machine out there.  I can also remember when I threw away 8 133Mhz machines
[02:47] <rogue780> Oregon...i'd forgotten. I wonder if I could take that on the airplane w/me. I'm comin' over there in Nov.
[02:47] <tgm4883> Yea, I'm sure homeland security would let that be your carry on
[02:48] <foxbuntu__> lol
[02:48] <foxbuntu__> yea you might hack into the avionics from the cabin with your wifi card and wireless electricity
[02:49] <foxbuntu__> and then over power them with your super jigga-watts on the flux capicitor
[02:50] <tgm4883> Superm1, what DVD burner do you have?
[02:51] <superm1> its a lite on
[02:51] <superm1> um
[02:51] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:51] <tgm4883> Heard some sketchy things about lite on and dvd standalone compatibility
[02:53] <superm1> well i've never had troubles
[02:54] <superm1> i usually burn native myth disks rather than DVD, but every so often i'll burn dvd, and they work out fine
[02:54] <tgm4883> you know which model?
[02:54] <superm1> let me fire it up and i'll see
[02:55] <tgm4883> oh and just so everyone knows, mine that broke is the HP 840i
[02:56] <tgm4883> Currently im looking at a NEC and a Pioneer
[02:57] <tgm4883> I do have a single layer lite on dvd burner
[02:57] <superm1> LITE-ON  DVDRW SHW-160P6S PS01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[03:01] <tgm4883> So you would recommend that drive?
[03:02] <superm1> i haven't had a single issue with it yet, but i'm sure there are newer faster drives
[03:02] <superm1> and such
[03:03] <tgm4883> I have a LDW-411S and its ok, but I seemed to have a seeking problem with the one disk that I burned using mytharchive
[03:03] <tgm4883> One question about mytharchive, does it make any chapters when it makes a dvd?
[03:03] <superm1> yes
[03:03] <tgm4883> how does it decide where?
[03:04] <superm1> i'm not sure actually
[03:04] <superm1> how it decides
[03:04] <tgm4883> I would guess that it's one of three ways
[03:04] <tgm4883> 1.  every 5 minutes
[03:04] <tgm4883> 2.  Scene changes
[03:04] <tgm4883> 3.  commercials
[03:04] <tgm4883> I would hope for commercials
[03:05] <superm1> its probably 1
[03:05] <superm1> commercials i know for sure its not
[03:05] <superm1> you need to have a cutlist prepared
[03:05] <superm1> before you burn
[03:07] <tgm4883> a cutlist would remove the commercials
[03:07] <tgm4883> right?
[03:07] <superm1> right
[03:07] <tgm4883> ok
[03:07] <superm1> you can use the flagging to make the cutlist
[03:07] <superm1> but you need to make sure its made before you burn
[03:08] <tgm4883> so the flagging will make the cutlist (providing i go in there it should already be done)?
[03:08] <superm1> well its still a manual step
[03:08] <superm1> think of it as you need to 'verify'
[03:08] <superm1> that it was right
[03:09] <tgm4883> right, but i dont have to go in there, find where the commercial starts, and manually do it that way
[03:09] <superm1> what you do is open up the recording
[03:09] <superm1> hit e
[03:09] <superm1> and then hit z
[03:09] <superm1> which loads your comm skips
[03:09] <superm1> into the cutlist
[03:09] <superm1> if they are accurate you hit escape
[03:09] <superm1> otherwise you fix them
[03:10] <tgm4883> I don't suppose those are mapped to the MCE remote
[03:10] <superm1> well z is
[03:10] <superm1> its comm skip forwards
[03:10] <superm1> i dont know if e is
[03:10] <superm1> you can also hit menu
[03:10] <superm1> and pick edit
[03:11] <superm1> i'm a bit of a perfectionist, so i always go through and make sure each one is dead on
[03:11] <superm1> there are other keys to navigate in edit mode
[03:11] <superm1> up and down change the time scale of jumps
[03:11] <superm1> pg up and pg down jump between cut points
[03:11] <superm1> and left and right move the selected amount of time scale
[03:11] <superm1> forward or back
[03:11] <tgm4883> How is the final edit on the finished dvd?  Is it a smooth transition, or more of a cut and tape together
[03:12] <superm1> thats all up to you
[03:12] <superm1> where you make the cuts
[03:12] <superm1> and how accurate you will be on it
[03:12] <tgm4883> right, but im assuming that its not a sweet little fade out,
[03:12] <tgm4883> its more like the commercial skip where it just jumps
[03:13] <superm1> well
[03:13] <superm1> you can make them nice fade outs if the show uses them already
[03:13] <superm1> and you cut at the right place
[03:13] <tgm4883> ok
[03:14] <foxbuntu___> superm1: great...the fun continues, my wifi router is dying now
[03:14] <superm1> foxbuntu___, these things always happen in groups, never one at a time
[03:15] <tgm4883> foxbuntu___, thats never good, unless it gives you a reason to upgrade to 802.11n, but I think its a little early for that
[03:16] <foxbuntu___> yea, n stardard isnt set to even be agreed on by the fcc until Sept of 08 at the earliest, but looking more like Sept of 09
[03:17] <tgm4883> oh i thought they were looking at 08 for release
[03:19] <tgm4883> im just going by wikipedia
[03:20] <foxbuntu___> nope, just talked to a company today that builds wifi AP's and they said their devs just had a meeting saying that if everything goes to plan 08 but more likely to get pushed to 09
[03:20] <foxbuntu___> for the N-Standard
[03:21] <tgm4883> ah
[03:21] <tgm4883> :( I need my N
[03:22] <tgm4883> So im assuming that the intel 4965 is pre N then?
[03:23] <foxbuntu___> yes
[03:23] <foxbuntu___> superm1:
[03:23] <superm1> yes?
[03:23] <foxbuntu___> superm1: now to add to this....man I am screwed...my washing machine is acting up, just found out from the wife
[03:24] <superm1> sounds to me like that LCD TV isn't being purchased any time soon?
[03:25] <foxbuntu___> yea...that gettin knocked right off the list
[03:25] <foxbuntu___> damn it
[03:26] <foxbuntu___> we'll see about the washer...might just be OE
[03:32] <Daviey> poor foxbuntu___
[03:32] <superm1> Daviey, what are you still doing up :)
[03:33] <Daviey> sorry sir
[03:33] <foxbuntu___> poor foxbuntu___  indeed
[03:33] <Daviey> just got up to get the daughter a drink and walked past the screen
[03:33] <superm1> ah
[03:33] <Daviey> I'll go again if that's what you want
[03:33] <Daviey> :)
[03:33] <foxbuntu___> everytime i get close to getting a HDTV...this crap happens...owning a house and being married sucks....no fun money anymore :(
[03:34] <superm1> i want some working metas, can you get those too? :S
[03:34] <foxbuntu___> lol
[03:34] <Daviey> yeah, i'll grab them now
[03:34] <Daviey> nn
[03:34] <superm1> night Daviey
[03:36] <foxbuntu___> superm1: is ntp installed on the mythbuntu package?
[03:36] <superm1> yes
[03:36] <foxbuntu___> ok...j/w cuz I don't think my backend has ntp right now
[03:37] <superm1> if its feisty it does
[03:37] <foxbuntu___> not setup then
[03:37] <foxbuntu___> my time seems to fallen off like 20 secs or so
[03:37] <superm1> there is no 'setup' to it
[03:38] <superm1> you can add other servers if you want
[03:38] <superm1> but the ntp daemon is always running
[03:38] <foxbuntu___> oh...do you know any reason ssh would login dirt slow
[03:38] <superm1> a lot of IO going
[03:39] <foxbuntu___> ok
[03:39] <foxbuntu___> figured it was just the machine is busy
[03:39] <foxbuntu___> but thought I would check
[03:41] <foxbuntu___> hmm...ntptime is correct so then I need to adjust the mythtv setting for start/end
[03:48] <foxbuntu> superm1: I just got to thinking...I could get a 23" apple lcd and have 1080p HD TV from myth
[03:49] <superm1> those require dual link DVI though i think
[03:49] <superm1> make sure your video card supports it
[03:50] <foxbuntu> I could get one (the card I have in the frontend now is an MX400, not exactly HD)
[03:50] <superm1> its not a matter of the card being able to support HD content
[03:50] <superm1> its a matter if the port is dual link dvi
[03:54] <foxbuntu> yea
[03:54] <foxbuntu> I would love to just get a Mac
[03:55] <foxbuntu> and an iPhone
[03:55] <foxbuntu> lol
[04:59] <superm1> _MMA_, So I wanted to touch bases with you on how you prepared your seeds
[04:59] <_MMA_> Oh.
[04:59] <superm1> because we were going to formulate our metas
[04:59] <_MMA_> Thats a joejaxx question. :)
[04:59] <superm1> and make seeds
[04:59] <superm1> ah :)
[05:00] <_MMA_> He's that mastermind.
[05:00] <superm1> Okay i'll check with him.  thanks!.  also, fyi, we just got our stuff merged into ubiquity mainline
[05:00] <_MMA_> Invite him in here.
[05:00] <superm1> you might want to take a look how it was done
[05:00] <_MMA_> Im sure hes around.
[05:00] <superm1> if your interested in a desktop release next time around or two (rather than alternate disk)
[05:01] <_MMA_> Naa..
[05:01] <_MMA_> Doesnt fit our needs/audience.
[05:01] <superm1> ah okay
[05:06] <superm1> Hi Hobbsee, what brings you to #ubuntu-mythtv this evenin?
[05:06] <superm1> er morning in your case i guess :)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> hi superm1
[05:06] <Hobbsee> superm1: just saw the discussions on releases and stuff, so thought i'd look in
[05:07] <superm1> ah.  i was poking about formulating seeds properly
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:07] <superm1> Daviey and I were trying to sort out the right way to base from the seeds ubuntu-archive used
[05:07] <Hobbsee> how do you build your cds thougH?
[05:07] <superm1> to make metas
[05:07] <superm1> its a build script that i hand wrote
[05:08] <superm1> Hobbsee, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070702054002-svmnn1mexy4k1foz?file_id=mythbuntu_install.sh-20070512013830-8pfzx9g2zarg2sxf-12
[05:10] <Hobbsee> looking
[05:11] <superm1> go for it :)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> is ubuntu-mythtv (hearby known as mythtv), an official ubuntu flavour?
[05:13] <superm1> well i dont know if its 'official', per say, but the name mythbuntu and the mythbuntu team was recognized at the CC meeting a few weeks ago.
[05:13] <superm1> i dont think it can be 'official', because it uses items from multiverse
[05:13] <Hobbsee> er...does that make it legal to host on mythbuntu.org?
[05:14] <imbrandon> superm1, ubuntu's choice is not to use multiverse ootb, dosent make mythbuntu less officialseeing as how i host mythbuntu.org yes :)
[05:14] <superm1> well i'll step around that question and say its not canonical's problem at that point.
[05:15] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[05:15] <Hobbsee> heh, right.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon!  :)
[05:15] <superm1> Hi imbrandon
[05:15] <Hobbsee> superm1: and it's built on gutsy?
[05:15] <superm1> yes
[05:16] <Hobbsee> superm1: well, on the current development release?
[05:16] <imbrandon> kinda like the choice of studio to use only alternate and edubuntu to use 2 cd's , they are still oficial , just not the way ubuntu does it
[05:16] <Hobbsee> superm1: i'm wondering a) if it's desirable, and b)  if it's possible to run the seeds as ubuntu and flavours do, and so therefore get all the merges of the ubuntu seeds, and get the images, etc, built in the DC
[05:16] <superm1> how does the build process work in the DC though?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> but that likely means canonical would have to host the images, and i suspect they might not want to do that...
[05:17] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, how would it be any diffrent than them hosting the multiverse repo its self
[05:17] <imbrandon> :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's a point
[05:17] <imbrandon> and yes someday canonical will likely host the images, but more myth team will have to be main devs to kick off the builds and seeds
[05:17] <imbrandon> same as studio
[05:18] <superm1> imbrandon, is studio still hosting on their own server for gutsy?  Or will they be on a canonical server?
[05:18] <imbrandon> kinda like when xubuntu became a official flavor
[05:18] <imbrandon> superm1, i host studio too
[05:18] <imbrandon> for now
[05:18] <superm1> oh right, forgot :)
[05:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:18] <imbrandon> heya _MMA_ when did you sneak in
[05:18] <imbrandon> :)
[05:19] <_MMA_> grr..
[05:19] <_MMA_> Ah huh.
[05:19] <superm1> _MMA_, mailing list issues?
[05:19] <imbrandon> superm1, yea i still havent setup his private ML yet, been procratonating
[05:20] <_MMA_> Well imbrandon generously offered hosting services but has yet to get the ML up. :(
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon:it builds in the data centre - i dont know how official it is.
[05:20] <_MMA_> (he's lacking follow through)
[05:20] <_MMA_> ;)
[05:20] <superm1> he was going to make us something like that too :)
[05:20] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, huh ?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the builds require access to the DC - most main devs dont have that
[05:20] <imbrandon> official what is ?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> but seeds, yeah.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon:it builds in the data centre - i dont know how official it is.  (xubuntu, sorry, got called afk)
[05:21] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, some do, like orga etc
[05:21] <Hobbsee> yeah, ogra does, true
[05:21] <superm1> so who actually queues up the builds in the DC then?
[05:21] <imbrandon> xubuntu is official
[05:21] <imbrandon> superm1, depends on the flavor
[05:21] <Hobbsee> superm1: the release manager, or a member of the release team
[05:21] <imbrandon> and who the RM is for that releaser
[05:21] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, for ubuntu yes
[05:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i dont believe ogra actually builds cds, btw.
[05:21] <imbrandon> not for the flavors
[05:21] <imbrandon> yes
[05:21] <imbrandon> he does
[05:21] <Hobbsee> RM also does kubuntu
[05:22] <_MMA_> imbrandon: PM
[05:22] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, as does riddle at times
[05:22] <Hobbsee> true (now)
[05:22] <imbrandon> always has been time permittting
[05:22] <imbrandon> :)
[05:22] <imbrandon> thats why orga and other became main when xubuntu became official
[05:22] <imbrandon> _MMA_, one sec
[05:22] <_MMA_> k
[05:23] <Hobbsee> well, i guess technically anyone can build them, if htey have access to drescher
[05:23] <imbrandon> :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> i was assuming can != do, though :P
[05:23] <imbrandon> :)
[05:24] <superm1> Hobbsee, to that effect then, i'm assuming we should wait a release cycle before trying to get into being built on the DC?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> superm1: no idea.  you'd need to have the seeds and that in place, but i dont believe it's any harder than that. ask pitti when he comes online.
[05:25] <superm1> Hobbsee, and would you be able to comment on properly building the seeds?
[05:25] <imbrandon> superm1, i'm gonna move you to lighttpd tonight and setup the traffic graphs
[05:26] <Hobbsee> superm1: as in, how to create them?
[05:26] <superm1> as in how to create them, and what needs to be in them
[05:26] <superm1> k imbrandon
[05:26] <imbrandon> superm1, joejax is the man to poke about getting the seeds prepared
[05:26] <Hobbsee> superm1: the seeds for the flavours are in bzr.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[05:26] <_MMA_> He's on. I told him to join.
[05:26] <superm1> i invited him
[05:26] <_MMA_> k
[05:27] <superm1> that would be the page that i was wondering if existed
[05:27] <Hobbsee> superm1: and look at the current seeds for examples
[05:27] <superm1> Hi joejaxx
[05:27] <joejaxx> Good Evening All
[05:27] <joejaxx> hello
[05:27] <imbrandon> lo joe
[05:27] <_MMA_> superm1: Why weret you in the -derivative meeting? Are you on the ML?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hiya joejaxx
[05:28] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :)
[05:28] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: :)
[05:28] <joejaxx> hello all
[05:28] <superm1> _MMA_, Didn't even know there was such a mailing list or meeting
[05:28] <superm1> i'll join
[05:28] <_MMA_> k
[05:28] <superm1> joejaxx, I was looking for some pointers as for getting the seeds prepared for mythbuntu
[05:28] <joejaxx> oh
[05:29] <joejaxx> for canonical builds? or just mythbuntu specific?
[05:29] <superm1> well for now they will be mythbuntu specific, but ideally maintain compatibility so that we could move to canonical builds at some point
[05:29] <joejaxx> ok
[05:30] <joejaxx> you are going to want to get the source for ubuntu-meta
[05:30] <superm1> right, and i saw that you germinate from a seed
[05:30] <superm1> and that seed is in a bzr branch
[05:30] <joejaxx> yes there are two methods
[05:30] <joejaxx> over http and the other is bzr
[05:30] <joejaxx> you are probably going to want to do bzr
[05:31] <joejaxx> that is something i have to setup this release cycle with uS
[05:31] <superm1> (us) being fluxbuntu?
[05:31] <joejaxx> uS == ubuntu studio
[05:31] <superm1> ah
[05:31] <joejaxx> yeap :)
[05:31] <joejaxx> so you will edit the seeds through bzr branch
[05:32] <joejaxx> and when you go to build the package you run a script
[05:32] <joejaxx> it goes out and gets the depends/recommends for each arch that ubuntu supports
[05:32] <superm1> (the ./update script)?
[05:32] <joejaxx> yes
[05:32] <joejaxx> after that finishes you build the package
[05:33] <superm1> now in writing the seeds that ubuntu-studio will be using, i'm assuming you will leave all the ones there intact, and add another one entitled ubuntu-studio-live, or something to that effect?
[05:33] <joejaxx> it will also auto increment the changelog for you with the packages you added/remove from last version
[05:34] <superm1> and within STRUCTURE, list the others its depending on, minimal, standard, boot, etc?
[05:34] <joejaxx> superm1: oh no we do not use the live seed because we do not have livecds
[05:34] <superm1> oh right
[05:34] <joejaxx> superm1: yes
[05:34] <superm1> (well in our case) we're exclusively live disks, so we would then
[05:34] <joejaxx> ah ok
[05:35] <superm1> now what about the syntax in the seed, what are the = or == breaking apart?
[05:35] <superm1> subsections i'd assume, but why different levels
[05:37] <joejaxx> well the = is a major section
[05:37] <joejaxx> for example
[05:37] <joejaxx> = Hardware and Architecture Support =
[05:37] <joejaxx> then it goes into
[05:37] <joejaxx> == Architecture-independent ==
[05:38] <joejaxx> == i386, i686, amd64 ==
[05:38] <superm1> so why would you break them into subsections though? (Where is that used then?)
[05:38] <joejaxx> it is just like having an outline of sorts
[05:38] <superm1> just for organization when writing?
[05:38] <joejaxx> yes
[05:39] <superm1> ahhh.  that finally would make sense then
[05:39] <superm1> and it appears that any line that doesnt start with a space is ignored too, as there are countless instances of stuff like "Email:" or "Other:"
[05:39] <joejaxx> yeah
[05:39] <joejaxx> #comments like these are ignored
[05:40] <joejaxx> it looks for
[05:40] <joejaxx> " * package"
[05:40] <superm1> okay and what about if you look at the file 'live', there are a lot of lines that start with "Task"
[05:40] <Hobbsee> speaking of seeds...
[05:41] <joejaxx> superm1: you are not going to need those until Canonical starts building your discs
[05:41] <joejaxx> so i would not worry about those for now
[05:41] <superm1> okay, then won't worry atm
[05:41] <_MMA_> superm1: Just FYI: #ubuntu-derivative
[05:42] <superm1> joejaxx, and i won't need to list dependencies within the seed at all, since they are all calculated by the germination process
[05:42] <superm1> ex, mythtv-frontend and mythtv-common wouldn't need to both be there
[05:42] <joejaxx> yeah
[05:43] <joejaxx> oh and
[05:43] <joejaxx> " * (package)" are recommends
[05:44] <superm1> ok
[05:44] <joejaxx> :)
[05:44] <superm1> for this release cycle if we're not going to be built by canonical, should i bug a core-dev to commit us into the main seed bzr branch?
[05:44] <superm1> or probably not going to be a big deal
[05:45] <joejaxx> i do not know if they are going to do that but you can specify any bzr branch in the package
[05:45] <joejaxx> and update it later if the repository moves
[05:45] <superm1> ah yes thats right
[05:46] <superm1> well then for now we can just make a branch of that bzr branch, and should we ever need to merge it will be straightforward for a core dev to do
[05:46] <_MMA_> Have fun guys. :)
[05:46] <joejaxx> superm1: yeah
[05:47] <superm1> okay sounds like i've got a good wealth of info here to get going on this then, and make these seeds right :)
[05:47] <superm1> thanks joejaxx
[05:48] <joejaxx> superm1: you are most welcome :)
[05:52] <joejaxx> superm1: i do not know what method you all use to create the isos but just make sure you have EVERYTHING packaged when it comes time for Canonical to build your discs
[05:52] <superm1> joejaxx, its a custom script right now
[05:52] <superm1> that i wrote
[05:52] <joejaxx> superm1: it will greatly speed up the process because you do not have to package everything when the time comes
[05:52] <joejaxx> superm1: oh ok
[05:52] <superm1> by making the metas, we were hoping to cut down the size of the script
[05:53] <joejaxx> ok
[05:53] <superm1> how do you handle shipping the first files for configuring the system in the canonical build process though?
[05:53] <joejaxx> so the artwork and other stuff is packaged ?
[05:53] <superm1> yes
[05:53] <joejaxx> ok cool :)
[05:53] <superm1> well all but one piece is
[05:53] <joejaxx> ok
[05:53] <superm1> let me show you our script
[05:53] <superm1> my question will make more sense
[05:53] <superm1> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070702054002-svmnn1mexy4k1foz?file_id=mythbuntu_install.sh-20070512013830-8pfzx9g2zarg2sxf-12
[05:56] <joejaxx> oh you mean the config stuff like this?
[05:56] <superm1> yes
[05:57] <superm1> like the first generation of /etc/apt/sources.list and the setting of toe interfaces
[05:57] <superm1> locale
[05:57] <superm1> kernel-img.conf
[05:57] <joejaxx>  /etc/xdg/mythtv-ubuntu/gdm/mythbuntu-gdm-noautologin.conf <<EOF << like this
[05:57] <superm1> little things that i realized needed to be configured
[05:57] <joejaxx> hmm
[05:57] <superm1> well stuff like that was going to be part of the metas
[05:57] <superm1> if at all possible
[05:57] <superm1> i'm not sure if it was legit to do it that way, but its the plan for now
[05:58] <joejaxx> ok
[05:58] <superm1> so after the seeds were sorted out, i was going to try to include as much of those conf files as possible in the metas generated from the seeds
[05:58] <joejaxx> you need to make a mythbuntu-default-settings package
[05:58] <joejaxx> anything that is related to the build process
[05:58] <joejaxx> should not go into that package
[05:59] <superm1> *not*?
[05:59] <joejaxx> but thinks like gdm settings etc will have to go into it
[05:59] <joejaxx> superm1: yes
[05:59] <superm1> okay and things that are related to the build process, where should they be goign then?
[05:59] <joejaxx> well it depends
[05:59] <joejaxx> if you are building the discs then they stay in that script
[06:00] <joejaxx> but if canonical is building them they are taking care of that
[06:00] <joejaxx> you basically want all your userland config to be in that package
[06:00] <superm1> "they are taking care of that", as in they have it as part of their build process
[06:00] <superm1> a script that runs things like that
[06:00] <joejaxx> s/config/configs/g
[06:00] <superm1> like setting locale
[06:01] <joejaxx> Canonical's buildd will take care of anything building related
[06:01] <joejaxx> which is why you need to package all the non-build related stuff
[06:01] <superm1> atm these canonical buildds are mysterious magic boxes :)
[06:02] <joejaxx> so that when for example
[06:02] <superm1> to me at least
[06:02] <joejaxx> you call
[06:02] <joejaxx> apt-get install blah1 blah2
[06:02] <joejaxx> you can add mythbuntu-default-settings to that line
[06:02] <superm1> right
[06:02] <joejaxx> and all of the configuration stuff will be handled by that package
[06:03] <superm1> ideally would mythbuntu-default-settings depend on the other metas, say mythbuntu-standalone or mythbuntu-live (the ones made from the seeds)
[06:03] <superm1> or should they all be independent of one another
[06:03] <joejaxx> independent
[06:03] <superm1> ok
[06:04] <superm1> well some of the configuration stuff in there depends upon packages already being installed though
[06:04] <superm1> like update-rc.d -f mythtv-backend remove
[06:04] <superm1> so then perhaps just installing mythbuntu-default-settings last?
[06:05] <joejaxx> hmm
[06:05] <joejaxx> for the time being yes
[06:06] <superm1> and likely for it to pass -motu, mythtv-backend mysql, apache2, ntp, samba, openssh-server will need to be dependencies of mythbuntu-default-settings too
[06:06] <joejaxx> wait
[06:07] <joejaxx> is the update-rc.d -f mythtv-backend build related?
[06:07] <superm1> well yes and no
[06:07] <superm1> the first boot isn't supposed to have any of those services on
[06:07] <superm1> since the first boot is a live disk mode
[06:07] <superm1> and ubiquity activates them
[06:07] <superm1> as needed
[06:07] <superm1> and removes the packages for the ones it doesnt
[06:08] <joejaxx> oh so those are just livecd tweaks
[06:09] <superm1> those particular lines yes
[06:09] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:09] <superm1> the livecd can run with them activated, but thats a bit silly
[06:09] <joejaxx> then i do not think you have to worry about that then
[06:09] <superm1> count them towards 'the build process'
[06:09] <superm1> and dont put them in mythbuntu-default-settings
[06:09] <joejaxx> yes
[06:09] <joejaxx> yes
[06:10] <superm1> how have you guys been doing your build process?  via a similar type of script?
[06:11] <joejaxx> i have written a custom build daemon/script
[06:11] <superm1> I think _MMA_ had mentioned something about a tasksel option in the alternate CD mode?
[06:11] <joejaxx> that handles multiple distros
[06:11] <superm1> which i'm assuming does lots of similar stuff to what i'm doing by hand?
[06:11] <joejaxx> yeah but i do not know if you are going to need that
[06:12] <joejaxx> the tasksel
[06:12] <superm1> what is that exactly? I've heard the term tossed around
[06:12] <joejaxx> you know the ubuntu server disc?
[06:12] <superm1> yes
[06:12] <joejaxx> where it asks you whether you want to install a dns server ot webserver?
[06:12] <joejaxx> that is tasksel
[06:13] <superm1> so it adds a list of packages to a manifest somewhere
[06:13] <superm1> i'm assuming it preseeds a debconf question?
[06:13] <joejaxx> yeah
[06:13] <joejaxx> but that is way different than the livecd
[06:13] <joejaxx> the alt discs
[06:13] <superm1> well see that got me curious though because the live cd uses this still
[06:14] <superm1> APPEND  file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.gz quiet splash --
[06:14] <joejaxx> yeah but i do not think ubiquity has tasksel support
[06:14] <superm1> oh so thats just a remenant of the alt cd then
[06:14] <superm1> and that file=.... can really be removed
[06:15] <joejaxx> what is in that ubuntu.seed?
[06:15] <superm1> tasksel tasksel/first   multiselect ubuntu-desktop
[06:15] <joejaxx> file*
[06:15] <joejaxx> interesting
[06:15] <superm1> i dont believe ubiquity is doing anything with it though, because that line hasn't affected the mythbuntu frontend that i wrote for it
[06:15] <joejaxx> hmm
[06:16] <superm1> and i haven't seen any references in the code to anything tasksel related as I was writing it
[06:16] <joejaxx> i will have to look into that
[06:17] <superm1> what about artwork that is used in the isolinux splash?
[06:17] <superm1> what kind of package does that need to be put into?
[06:18] <joejaxx> gfxboot-theme-mythbuntu
[06:19] <superm1> alright then thats another one that will need to be submitted yet -
[06:19] <joejaxx> i believe that is the one
[06:19] <joejaxx> althought kubuntu and xubuntu do not have one of those
[06:19] <superm1> you guys submitted a gfxboot-theme-ubuntustudio yet?
[06:19] <superm1> or no
[06:19] <joejaxx> no
[06:19] <joejaxx> all of that is handled by the buil daemon
[06:20] <joejaxx> build*
[06:20] <superm1> what will you do when you go to canonical servers then?
[06:20] <joejaxx> superm1: with the syslinux i think they might have that stuff local on the servers
[06:21] <superm1> hm.  Hobbsee do you know where the gfxboot theme for kubuntu is stored at ?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> gfxboot?
[06:22] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: yeah the install disc splash
[06:22] <superm1> the splash image used for isolinux
[06:22] <joejaxx> :)
[06:22] <superm1> is it in a package, or something else handled by the DCs that isn't packaged?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: kubuntu-artwork-usplash i thought... but not sure
[06:23] <Hobbsee> it wouldnt be hidden in the DC
[06:23] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: no not usplash
[06:23] <Hobbsee> well, shouldnt be
[06:23] <superm1> well that is the usplash artwork - not isolinux artwork is in a different format
[06:23] <Hobbsee> i dont know, i dont have access at this point
[06:23] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:24] <superm1> i was hoping a rdepends on syslinux would tell me, but nope
[06:30] <joejaxx> well i am going to retire for the evening
[06:30] <joejaxx> Goodnight superm1 Hobbsee #u-mythtv :)
[06:30] <superm1> okay goodnight joejaxx
[06:30] <Hobbsee> night joejaxx
[06:30] <superm1> thanks a bunch :)
[06:31] <joejaxx> you are most welcome :)
[12:43] <Zentax> Hey any1 around that might know a little bit about lirc?
[12:43] <Zentax> I recently bought a Onkyo AMP a few days ago. And it comes with a "media centre" type remote which can be programed to control other devices such as DVD Players, PVR's etc..
[12:44] <Zentax> Im doing some research (my box is only half built) and noticed the latest (or closest) model remote supported is the 632M
[12:44] <Zentax> my remote is a 682.. I will attempt to use the 632M when i get it installed. But i was wondering if many any1 has had any experience in regards to using similar remotes than what is listed?
[04:43] <pitti> hi
[04:43] <superm1> hi pitti
[04:43] <superm1> 'us' being mythbuntu
[04:44] <superm1> joejaxx alluded a bit to what's involved with getting built in the DC, regarding setting up our seeds and making sure all the customizations to our build process being packaged
[04:44] <pitti> superm1: not sure what you mean with 'DC'
[04:44] <superm1> ah, data centre
[04:45] <pitti> you mean uploading the mythbuntu packages into official Ubuntu universe?
[04:45] <superm1> well we already have packages going into universe
[04:45] <superm1> i'm saying building our ISOs
[04:45] <pitti> so, these should get built, don't they?
[04:45] <pitti> oh
[04:45] <Daviey> superm1: i haven't quite caught up on scrollback - thanks for the heads up tho
[04:45] <superm1> k Daviey
[04:45] <superm1> currently they are built by a script that I wrote, sitting on imbrandon's server
[04:46] <pitti> superm1: this involves quite a bit of things, and I cannot decide that on my own
[04:46] <superm1> i have imagined that to be the case.
[04:46] <pitti> superm1: I suggest to mail Matt Zimmerman about this
[04:46] <pitti> it's generally possible since we do it with Xubuntu
[04:46] <superm1> alright, i can do that.
[04:47] <superm1> right, and I heard that ubuntu studio may be getting the same sort of thing
[04:47] <superm1> after they sort out a few items
[04:47] <superm1> it was a release cycle or two until Xubuntu was actually built in the DC though wasn't it?
[04:47] <Daviey> Is this using canonical's machines to build iso's?
[04:47] <pitti> right, it only started in Dapper
[04:48] <superm1> Daviey, yes
[04:49] <Daviey> That would be good considering pegasys is kinda weak, especially for AMD64's :)
[04:49] <superm1> pitti, i've got several other questions here, but they are probably better to be asked after mdz gives a +1/-1 on the idea
[04:50] <superm1> i'll mail him
[04:50] <superm1> thanks
[04:50] <pitti> superm1: he will probably ask you some more questions, specifically about the level of commitment and work you can put into this
[04:50] <pitti> for resolving problems with the CDs, getting them tested, etc.
[04:51] <pitti> superm1: good luck, thank you!
[04:51] <Daviey> i would hope that the distance we have come since starting would be a good sign of commitment
[04:51] <DaveMorris> Daviey: Did they tell you, the goal posts are always moving
[04:52] <pitti> superm1, Daviey: I guess we'll invite you to a TB or distro team IRC meeting for this
[04:52] <DaveMorris> s/did/didn't
[04:52] <DaveMorris> !logs
[04:52] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:52] <superm1> that sounds like it'd be ideal way to talk to everyone about this
[04:52] <Daviey> pitti: do you know when they are next held?
[04:53] <pitti> Daviey: distro team meeting is every Thursday, TB meeting every other Tuesday, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[04:53] <Daviey> ty
[04:54] <superm1> i'll wait to see what mdz says before putting us on the agenda for either
[04:54] <pitti> superm1: distro team meeting is not the right forum for this anyway, it'll most likely be TB
[04:55] <superm1> well also, as joejaxx had discussed with me yesterday, there are a few things that will need to be changed before we'd even be considered to be put right into the build DC
[04:56] <pitti> superm1: do you already use the metapackages and seed structure we have in {,k,ed,x}ubuntu?
[04:56] <DaveMorris> I'm guessing chucking out the mscorefonts ;)
[04:56] <superm1> pitti, that is what we need to get going, and joejaxx was discussing with us :)
[04:56] <pitti> ah
[04:56] <superm1> pitti, actually one of them perhaps you can speak to.  the isolinux splash images, I can't seem to figure out where they are stored package wise
[04:57] <superm1> for {,k,ed,x}ubuntu
[04:57] <pitti> superm1: I think that's gfxboot-theme-ubuntu
[04:57] <superm1> or are they just part of the things that sit on the DC
[04:57] <superm1> all of them?
[04:57] <pitti> no, other derivatives have their own
[04:57] <superm1> well i don't see one for {k,x,or ed} ubuntu
[04:58] <superm1> there is a sles, suse, and nld package out there
[04:58] <pitti> but I'm not sure where they are; asking Riddell or cjwatson may help
[04:58] <pitti> or kwwii
[04:58] <superm1> ok, i'll poke one of them later on today to see
[07:33] <ripok> Hello
[07:35] <ripok> i have litle problem trying to install mythbuntu 7.10
[07:36] <laga> yeah?
[07:38] <ripok> Installation goes well until it tries to detect hardware. Progresbar goes to 90% and then it stucks...
[07:39] <laga> does that happen with ubuntu 7.04 as well?
[07:39] <ripok> I haven't tried earlier versions of mythbuntu
[07:41] <ripok> is that more problem of new ubuntu than mythbuntu?
[07:42] <laga> duh, sorry. mythbuntu is tracking gutsy now.
[07:42] <laga> i haven't tried it yet, but can't you choose a failsafe mode?
[07:44] <ripok> Oh the livecd starts normally but when I start to install mythbuntu it hangs on "Detecting hardware, please wait..." 90%
[07:49] <laga> hum.
[07:49] <laga> ok, you'll have to talk to superm1 about that, i guess
[07:50] <ripok> ok
[07:52] <laga> superm1_: you here?
[08:33] <ripok> laga: duh, i rebooted computer and started installation again. Now it passed and I got it installed...I don't did I something differently or what...
[08:35] <laga> ripok: it was just a hiccup probably :)
[08:37] <ripok> laga: maybe :-)
[08:53] <ripok> from where mythtv tries to locate videos?
[08:55] <laga> what videos?
[08:55] <laga> for mythvideo?
[08:55] <ripok> yes
[08:57] <laga>  /var/lib/mythtv/videos i think
[08:57] <laga> you can change that, though
[08:59] <ripok> ok
[09:01] <laga> superm1_: juski is moving his themes to a CC licence that might make it impossible to include them in mythbuntu. guess he hasn't decided yet which CC licence he's gonna use
[09:45] <kruuli> elo bois :>
[09:48] <kruuli> superm1 any news on implementing the unichrome drivers?
[10:04] <superm1> ripok, i just got here
[10:04] <superm1> but only for a few moments
[10:04] <superm1> that detecting hardware at 90 percent is the same one that is used in normal ubiquity
[10:04] <superm1> you might have found a bug in ubiquity
[10:04] <superm1> could you submit /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman
[10:04] <superm1> either on pastebin or on a bug report
[10:05] <superm1> !pastebin | ripok
[10:05] <ubotu> ripok: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:05] <superm1> i'll be back in 20-50 min
[10:42] <superm1> oh i should have read more scroll back, ripok appears to have solved it :)
[10:42] <superm1> laga, how sure is juski on moving to a CC license?
[10:42] <laga> superm1: looks like his current themes will stay GPL, new ones will be CC
[10:43] <superm1> laga, tgm4883 rogue780 foxbuntu subscribe to the newly formed ubuntu-mythtv mailing list.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv
[10:43] <laga> he got annoyed ebcause some company is selling mythtv boxen including his themes
[10:43] <laga> k
[10:43] <superm1> well but they will also be part of that theme grabber
[10:43] <superm1> in 0.21
[10:43] <laga> :)
[10:43] <laga> probably
[10:43] <superm1> not too big a deal then
[10:51] <laga> can any of you do me a favor and run "tv_validate_file"? it's missing some includes here
[10:52] <superm1> me?
[10:52] <superm1> tv_validate_file?
[10:52] <superm1> what is this?
[10:52] <laga> that'd be nice
[10:52] <laga> it's part of XMLTV
[10:52] <laga> $here = ubuntu edgy whichwill very soon be upgraded to feisty
[10:53] <superm1> i'll have to install it first
[10:53] <superm1> is the feisty version ok?
[10:54] <laga> doesn't seem so, but i'm not sure if i installed a custom version of xmltv
[10:54] <laga> xmltv is quite vital for mythtv, i hope it's on mythbuntu
[10:54] <superm1> we can make it an option
[10:54] <laga> option?
[10:54] <superm1> although it needs command line configuration, does it not?
[10:54] <Daviey> laga: what themes are yours?
[10:55] <laga> everybody except for the US needs XMLTV
[10:55] <laga> Daviey: none
[10:55] <Daviey> 'none' hmm aint tried that one :)
[10:55] <laga> Daviey: guess it'll failback to GANT ;)
[10:55] <laga> superm1: xmltv is configured via mythtv-setup (in a terminal)
[10:55] <Daviey> laga: i don't agree that everybody needs xmltv - OTA works aswell
[10:56] <superm1> laga, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28394/
[10:56] <laga> i'm kinda writing my own grabber right now
[10:56] <laga> superm1: thanks, i'll report that one!
[10:56] <laga> Daviey: ah, right. sorry.
[10:57] <Daviey> but i do use it over ota as it provides 14days rather that 7 :)
[10:57] <laga> :)
[10:57] <laga> some of our DVB-eit only provides 3-4 days
[10:58] <Daviey> eek#