[01:13] hopefully not the tv :) [01:13] idk....at least the wife would let me buy a new one then [01:14] superm1: did keescook have any joy with the lspci? [01:14] haven't spoken to him about it since last time you saw [01:15] why doe the installer window suddenly resize when you select advanced? [01:16] are you in a VM? [01:16] no [01:16] i think i know what the cause of it is, and its related to translations [01:16] but i've not seen it outside a vm [01:16] does vnc work yet? [01:17] yes [01:17] it doesnt auto fill the default DB name in the MYSQL info anymore [01:18] in which? [01:18] frontend only install [01:18] auto fill? [01:18] you need the info in order to do that type of install [01:18] for your master backend and such [01:19] you had it set before that the MySQL DB field was already filled with "mythconverg" the default name [01:19] and now its now [01:19] not* [01:19] oh [01:20] i guess it does make sense to leave it as a default [01:21] where does that file reside with the MySQL password again? (theres something to add to that same screen as a note) [01:21] it should be on that screen [01:21] /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt [01:23] nice on the TV out options [01:23] if they work right of course :) [01:24] indeed [01:24] the install is rolling now [01:25] fairly painless procedure? [01:25] yea...I would just add the note about that password for people like me [01:25] i coulda sworn there was one there already [01:25] but i could be crazy [01:25] your crazy [01:26] (but we all already knew that) [01:26] wow...this old emachine dvd burner is fast [01:30] rebooting [01:32] the nviida auto select is still killing me tho [01:34] its just too high of a resolution for that monitor [01:34] but still usable? [01:34] yea [01:34] well [01:34] not usable [01:34] why? [01:34] becuase 25 - 30% of the screen cant be seen [01:35] how about other things - did they work out as expected? [01:36] still no audio [01:36] i thought that was from the onboard having issues? [01:36] not being enabled [01:36] in the bios [01:36] orgianlly I thought so...but its enabled right now [01:36] unless the installer somehow killed it [01:37] there is *nothing* in the installer touching anything related to audio [01:37] whatsoever [01:37] i figured that much [01:38] this is the most expensive board I own too [01:38] well like i said before, file a bug with that alsa script [01:39] its possible alsa is broken for your board [01:39] yea [01:39] teach me for getting a better board [01:40] well no, you can provide very valuable information here to crimsun [01:40] so that it can be fixed by release === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:58] eww [01:58] ? [01:58] how would I switch mythtv to use OSS [01:58] take out ALSA:default [01:58] and put /dev/dsp [01:58] why would you even want to though? === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:01] just testing a theory [02:01] OSS support is emulated though [02:01] via alsa [02:01] oh [02:02] hence why i was asking why you'd want to [02:02] i think the problems are form the nForce drivers [02:02] from the nforce drivers? [02:03] yea [02:04] the nforce drivers aren't installed [02:04] the open source ones are [02:04] this board had the nForce Ac'97 chipset [02:04] the nforce ones didn't support alsa last i checked [02:04] thus my issue [02:04] nope [02:04] there are plenty of boards out there nforce cards [02:04] that work the open source driver [02:04] the ac97 codec is a pretty broad thing [02:05] you saw that the driver was loaded [02:05] and your mixer worked [02:05] but no audio, hence why i said to file a bug [02:05] and submit that script [02:05] crimsun debugs this stuff all the time [02:05] k [02:06] drop the bug where again? [02:06] against the alsa source package [02:06] k [02:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+filebug === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === foxbuntu__ [n=chatzill@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === foxbuntu__ is now known as foxbuntu [02:18] anyone use a dual layer dvd burner in their mythtv setup? [02:20] neg [02:21] I do have one, but dont use it [02:21] anyone else have input here? [02:21] tgm4883, i have [02:21] your looking to burn dvds with files > 4 GB i'm guessing? [02:22] yea [02:22] mine went kaput [02:22] yea thats a really ugly situation right now [02:22] ISO9660 doesn't allow any files bigger than 4GB on a level 3 disk [02:22] and if you use a dual layer disk the same problem happens [02:22] so there are three possible solutions [02:22] 1) Make the file smaller (take out commercials and such) [02:23] 2) Split it into multiple pieces (preferably less than 2GB each) [02:23] 3) Burn a UDF DVD [02:23] hmm [02:24] My goal would be to play it in a regular DVD player [02:24] #1 is for sure [02:25] okay thats a diff issue then [02:25] mytharchive should be able to re-encode the files [02:25] We want to reencode the files? To make them smaller or are they not DVD complient? [02:26] well depending where they are recorded from both [02:26] if they are from a pvr-xxx card, and recorded at the right resolution, then just the former [02:26] The correct resolution being? 720x480? [02:27] Mostly it is for stuff via my STB [02:27] Motorola 6200 [02:27] ah via firewire? [02:28] yes [02:28] does the resolution ever change during the files? [02:28] like durign a commercial [02:28] or the bitrate [02:28] or the frame rate [02:28] I dont believe so [02:29] well if that's the case, it is likely dvd compliant [02:29] although I would wonder if it is under 9000kbps [02:29] but you can re-encode the video for size (and lower quality) if you want it to go on the dvd as dvd video [02:29] if its just 720x480 it should be [02:30] I blame my brother for all these questions. He couldn't have it easy and have a mythtv system === foxbuntu__ [n=chatzill@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:30] neato...wifi router went BLEH! [02:30] well in any case, I need a new DVD burner. My HP lasted about 75 burns and less than a year. [02:31] warranty [02:31] foxbuntu__, did vnc and ssh and nfs and samba work out for you as expected? [02:32] (or whichever ones you turned on) [02:32] Well, I actually don't think it's under warranty anymore. Aren't they only 1 year? I burned the first 75 in about 3 months, then didn't try to use it until recently. About 13 months later [02:32] I am working with them though [02:32] oh thats a shame [02:32] they want me to upgrade the firmware [02:32] which is a pain [02:32] can you do it via a VM? [02:32] or is it a dos boot disk? [02:32] superm1: I dont think smb is working [02:32] or nfs [02:32] foxbuntu__, well it shouldnt be if you had a frontend install [02:32] but ssh is [02:33] oh [02:33] now that i think about it - it shouldnt have even been an option [02:33] i thought you meant it was supposed to be working [02:33] then yes [02:33] well i was thinking what was on that page normally [02:33] did someone ask for me? the channel was blue in the list...but I don't see where someone said me name [02:33] oh I did [02:33] i pmed you [02:34] Haven't tried a VM, tried putting it in an external enclosure, but that didn't work. Tried Wine for the heck of it. Now im installing win 2000 on an old 10Gb HD on my mythbuntu test machine. So hopefully this will work [02:34] I'll never buy another HP device again if it is broke. [02:34] foxbuntu__, you need to register with freenode to PM [02:34] oh [02:34] did not know that [02:34] well depending on how they interface with it, the VM may or may not work [02:35] 75 burns and 150 lightscribe burns shouldn't ruin your DVD drive. Won't even read CD's right now [02:35] wow [02:35] thats ridiculous [02:35] tgm4883: the lightscribe destroys the drives [02:35] The good news is that I didn't really buy it. It was for work so my company bought it, but it's still a PITA [02:35] Lightscribe destroys drives? How? [02:36] i've never heard that before either [02:36] its different lasers [02:36] tgm4883: it wears the laser out way faster than normal [02:36] foxbuntu__, do you have an article your referencing regarding that? [02:36] I think what lightscribe drives need is a really big "laser" [02:37] in my experience with those drives the more you use that feature the faster they die [02:37] anyone on pownce? [02:37] rogue780, what is that? [02:37] I'm not that impressed with lightscribe anyway. It's better than sharpie, but you still need special disks. If I need special disks anyway, I might as well buy the ones you can print on and get color [02:37] http://digg.com/software/Pownce_Up_close_and_personal [02:38] I could see the motor wearing out faster, but not the laser [02:38] http://www.addoneword.com/ ---anyone can contribute to the story one word at a time....how could this possibly end up badly? [02:39] its been awhile since i have delt with them...but i blew up a few of them using that (back when I "rented" hardware from bby) [02:39] you can rent hardware? wtf? [02:40] yea credit card + bby + 30 day return policy = rental [02:40] lol [02:40] thats borderline fraud isn't it [02:41] no, because if you don't like it you can return it, says so right in the policy [02:41] (former bby employee) [02:41] lol [02:42] with the stipulation that you are returning it because you didn't like it. Not premeditating that you planed on returning it before you bought it [02:42] you can't do it alot or they wont let you return stuff anymore...but none the less [02:42] but they would have to prove that [02:43] keescook, some time back i had asked you about how to checkout just the latest part of a bzr branch. i learned this weekend bzr co --lightweight only checks out the last revision, so all the history before hand is ignored [02:43] Thats not the point though [02:43] There are a lot of things that you can get away with that they wouldn't be able to prove. Doesn't mean that you should do it [02:43] lol...I only ever rented parts I didnt have for testing at the time (which anymore, i have too may parts) [02:44] lol, my problem too, to many parts [02:44] you should see the piles of random junk I have [02:45] I've got a rack-mount server measuring approx 3'x3' with dual PII-400mhz and two 9gb SCSI drives if anyone wants it. I'm in MD [02:45] rogue780, does that come with free shipping :) [02:46] sure...just as long as you give me a ....say $50 UPS gift card ;) [02:46] Deal [02:46] j/k, im thinking it's more than $50 to send that to Oregon [02:47] It's amazing, I can remember back when 133Mhz was the fastest machine out there. I can also remember when I threw away 8 133Mhz machines [02:47] Oregon...i'd forgotten. I wonder if I could take that on the airplane w/me. I'm comin' over there in Nov. [02:47] Yea, I'm sure homeland security would let that be your carry on [02:48] lol [02:48] yea you might hack into the avionics from the cabin with your wifi card and wireless electricity [02:49] and then over power them with your super jigga-watts on the flux capicitor === foxbuntu__ is now known as foxbuntu [02:50] Superm1, what DVD burner do you have? [02:51] its a lite on [02:51] um [02:51] hmm [02:51] Heard some sketchy things about lite on and dvd standalone compatibility [02:53] well i've never had troubles [02:54] i usually burn native myth disks rather than DVD, but every so often i'll burn dvd, and they work out fine [02:54] you know which model? [02:54] let me fire it up and i'll see [02:55] oh and just so everyone knows, mine that broke is the HP 840i [02:56] Currently im looking at a NEC and a Pioneer [02:57] I do have a single layer lite on dvd burner [02:57] LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S PS01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:01] So you would recommend that drive? [03:02] i haven't had a single issue with it yet, but i'm sure there are newer faster drives [03:02] and such [03:03] I have a LDW-411S and its ok, but I seemed to have a seeking problem with the one disk that I burned using mytharchive [03:03] One question about mytharchive, does it make any chapters when it makes a dvd? [03:03] yes [03:03] how does it decide where? === foxbuntu__ [n=chatzill@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:04] i'm not sure actually [03:04] how it decides [03:04] I would guess that it's one of three ways === foxbuntu___ [n=chatzill@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:04] 1. every 5 minutes [03:04] 2. Scene changes [03:04] 3. commercials [03:04] I would hope for commercials [03:05] its probably 1 [03:05] commercials i know for sure its not [03:05] you need to have a cutlist prepared [03:05] before you burn [03:07] a cutlist would remove the commercials [03:07] right? [03:07] right [03:07] ok [03:07] you can use the flagging to make the cutlist [03:07] but you need to make sure its made before you burn [03:08] so the flagging will make the cutlist (providing i go in there it should already be done)? [03:08] well its still a manual step [03:08] think of it as you need to 'verify' [03:08] that it was right [03:09] right, but i dont have to go in there, find where the commercial starts, and manually do it that way [03:09] what you do is open up the recording [03:09] hit e [03:09] and then hit z [03:09] which loads your comm skips [03:09] into the cutlist [03:09] if they are accurate you hit escape [03:09] otherwise you fix them [03:10] I don't suppose those are mapped to the MCE remote [03:10] well z is [03:10] its comm skip forwards [03:10] i dont know if e is [03:10] you can also hit menu [03:10] and pick edit [03:11] i'm a bit of a perfectionist, so i always go through and make sure each one is dead on [03:11] there are other keys to navigate in edit mode [03:11] up and down change the time scale of jumps [03:11] pg up and pg down jump between cut points [03:11] and left and right move the selected amount of time scale [03:11] forward or back [03:11] How is the final edit on the finished dvd? Is it a smooth transition, or more of a cut and tape together [03:12] thats all up to you [03:12] where you make the cuts [03:12] and how accurate you will be on it [03:12] right, but im assuming that its not a sweet little fade out, [03:12] its more like the commercial skip where it just jumps [03:13] well [03:13] you can make them nice fade outs if the show uses them already [03:13] and you cut at the right place [03:13] ok [03:14] superm1: great...the fun continues, my wifi router is dying now [03:14] foxbuntu___, these things always happen in groups, never one at a time === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [+o superm1] by ChanServ === foxbuntu [n=chatzill@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [requested] === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [-o superm1] by ChanServ [03:15] foxbuntu___, thats never good, unless it gives you a reason to upgrade to 802.11n, but I think its a little early for that [03:16] yea, n stardard isnt set to even be agreed on by the fcc until Sept of 08 at the earliest, but looking more like Sept of 09 [03:17] oh i thought they were looking at 08 for release [03:19] im just going by wikipedia [03:20] nope, just talked to a company today that builds wifi AP's and they said their devs just had a meeting saying that if everything goes to plan 08 but more likely to get pushed to 09 [03:20] for the N-Standard [03:21] ah [03:21] :( I need my N [03:22] So im assuming that the intel 4965 is pre N then? [03:23] yes [03:23] superm1: [03:23] yes? [03:23] superm1: now to add to this....man I am screwed...my washing machine is acting up, just found out from the wife [03:24] sounds to me like that LCD TV isn't being purchased any time soon? [03:25] yea...that gettin knocked right off the list [03:25] damn it [03:26] we'll see about the washer...might just be OE [03:32] poor foxbuntu___ [03:32] Daviey, what are you still doing up :) [03:33] sorry sir [03:33] poor foxbuntu___ indeed [03:33] just got up to get the daughter a drink and walked past the screen [03:33] ah [03:33] I'll go again if that's what you want [03:33] :) [03:33] everytime i get close to getting a HDTV...this crap happens...owning a house and being married sucks....no fun money anymore :( [03:34] i want some working metas, can you get those too? :S [03:34] lol [03:34] yeah, i'll grab them now [03:34] nn [03:34] night Daviey [03:36] superm1: is ntp installed on the mythbuntu package? [03:36] yes [03:36] ok...j/w cuz I don't think my backend has ntp right now [03:37] if its feisty it does [03:37] not setup then [03:37] my time seems to fallen off like 20 secs or so [03:37] there is no 'setup' to it [03:38] you can add other servers if you want [03:38] but the ntp daemon is always running [03:38] oh...do you know any reason ssh would login dirt slow [03:38] a lot of IO going [03:39] ok [03:39] figured it was just the machine is busy [03:39] but thought I would check [03:41] hmm...ntptime is correct so then I need to adjust the mythtv setting for start/end === foxbuntu___ is now known as foxbuntu [03:48] superm1: I just got to thinking...I could get a 23" apple lcd and have 1080p HD TV from myth [03:49] those require dual link DVI though i think [03:49] make sure your video card supports it [03:50] I could get one (the card I have in the frontend now is an MX400, not exactly HD) [03:50] its not a matter of the card being able to support HD content [03:50] its a matter if the port is dual link dvi [03:54] yea [03:54] I would love to just get a Mac [03:55] and an iPhone [03:55] lol === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:59] _MMA_, So I wanted to touch bases with you on how you prepared your seeds === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:59] <_MMA_> Oh. [04:59] because we were going to formulate our metas [04:59] <_MMA_> Thats a joejaxx question. :) [04:59] and make seeds [04:59] ah :) [05:00] <_MMA_> He's that mastermind. [05:00] Okay i'll check with him. thanks!. also, fyi, we just got our stuff merged into ubiquity mainline [05:00] <_MMA_> Invite him in here. [05:00] you might want to take a look how it was done [05:00] <_MMA_> Im sure hes around. [05:00] if your interested in a desktop release next time around or two (rather than alternate disk) [05:01] <_MMA_> Naa.. [05:01] <_MMA_> Doesnt fit our needs/audience. [05:01] ah okay === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [+o superm1] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [-o superm1] by ChanServ [05:06] Hi Hobbsee, what brings you to #ubuntu-mythtv this evenin? [05:06] er morning in your case i guess :) [05:06] hi superm1 [05:06] superm1: just saw the discussions on releases and stuff, so thought i'd look in [05:07] ah. i was poking about formulating seeds properly [05:07] ahhh [05:07] Daviey and I were trying to sort out the right way to base from the seeds ubuntu-archive used [05:07] how do you build your cds thougH? [05:07] to make metas [05:07] its a build script that i hand wrote [05:08] Hobbsee, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070702054002-svmnn1mexy4k1foz?file_id=mythbuntu_install.sh-20070512013830-8pfzx9g2zarg2sxf-12 [05:10] looking === Hobbsee ponders asking some really stupid questions [05:11] go for it :) === Hobbsee finishes reading the script first though [05:12] is ubuntu-mythtv (hearby known as mythtv), an official ubuntu flavour? [05:13] well i dont know if its 'official', per say, but the name mythbuntu and the mythbuntu team was recognized at the CC meeting a few weeks ago. [05:13] i dont think it can be 'official', because it uses items from multiverse [05:13] er...does that make it legal to host on mythbuntu.org? [05:14] superm1, ubuntu's choice is not to use multiverse ootb, dosent make mythbuntu less officialseeing as how i host mythbuntu.org yes :) [05:14] well i'll step around that question and say its not canonical's problem at that point. [05:15] heya Hobbsee [05:15] heh, right. [05:15] hi imbrandon! :) [05:15] Hi imbrandon [05:15] superm1: and it's built on gutsy? [05:15] yes [05:16] superm1: well, on the current development release? [05:16] kinda like the choice of studio to use only alternate and edubuntu to use 2 cd's , they are still oficial , just not the way ubuntu does it [05:16] superm1: i'm wondering a) if it's desirable, and b) if it's possible to run the seeds as ubuntu and flavours do, and so therefore get all the merges of the ubuntu seeds, and get the images, etc, built in the DC [05:16] how does the build process work in the DC though? [05:16] but that likely means canonical would have to host the images, and i suspect they might not want to do that... [05:17] Hobbsee, how would it be any diffrent than them hosting the multiverse repo its self [05:17] :) [05:17] imbrandon: that's a point [05:17] and yes someday canonical will likely host the images, but more myth team will have to be main devs to kick off the builds and seeds [05:17] same as studio [05:18] imbrandon, is studio still hosting on their own server for gutsy? Or will they be on a canonical server? [05:18] kinda like when xubuntu became a official flavor [05:18] superm1, i host studio too [05:18] for now [05:18] oh right, forgot :) === _MMA_ makes a mean face @ Brandon. [05:18] ;) [05:18] heya _MMA_ when did you sneak in [05:18] :) [05:19] <_MMA_> grr.. === imbrandon looks all innocent about the ML [05:19] <_MMA_> Ah huh. [05:19] _MMA_, mailing list issues? [05:19] superm1, yea i still havent setup his private ML yet, been procratonating [05:20] <_MMA_> Well imbrandon generously offered hosting services but has yet to get the ML up. :( [05:20] imbrandon:it builds in the data centre - i dont know how official it is. [05:20] <_MMA_> (he's lacking follow through) [05:20] <_MMA_> ;) [05:20] he was going to make us something like that too :) [05:20] Hobbsee, huh ? [05:20] imbrandon: the builds require access to the DC - most main devs dont have that [05:20] official what is ? [05:20] but seeds, yeah. [05:21] imbrandon:it builds in the data centre - i dont know how official it is. (xubuntu, sorry, got called afk) [05:21] Hobbsee, some do, like orga etc [05:21] yeah, ogra does, true [05:21]