[01:12] <miramana> hi, looking for a gtk jabber-client. which one would you recommend?
[01:13] <crimsun_> gajim.
[01:14] <miramana> crimsun, ok. can it discover services (need to register ICQ-transport) ?
[01:15] <crimsun_> no idea, I stopped using IM services a while ago.
[01:22] <cellofellow> crimsun_: yes, it can. It does transports nicely.
[01:23] <crimsun_> miramana: ^
[01:24] <cellofellow> oops
[01:27] <miramana> cellofellow, crimsun thanks, i will try it. i am using psy but it is a qt-app and i want to keep my xubuntu clean )
[01:27] <BFTD> actually cellofellow its working even after I have acpi turned back on
[01:27] <cellofellow> BFTD: must have been a hardware glitch
[01:27] <BFTD> cellofellow agreed
[01:27] <BFTD> ok
[01:27] <BFTD> bbl
[01:27] <BFTD> gonna pcik up a mic
[01:28] <cheeseboy> im trying to compile mysql i get these errors http://pastebin.ca/600579 how do i fix?
[01:28] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: ask in #xubuntu-devel, they probably know more about that stuff.
[01:47] <NKUMike> anyone know where I can find step by step instructions on how to install vnc on xubuntu?
[01:47] <cellofellow> !vnc
[01:47] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[01:49] <SlimFont> Is anyone here to help?
[01:50] <Jester45> nobody here
[01:50] <Jester45> but you can ask your question
[01:50] <ALASKAMAN> can any point me in right direction on how to make a script from my shell when other users do !eggdrop it will untar the newest ver of egdrop bot
[01:51] <Jester45> ALASKAMAN, make a new file, then the first line should be #!/bin/bash then enter anything you what
[01:51] <Jester45> use the same commands/syntax as the command line
[01:51] <Jester45> then to run you do, bash file
[01:52] <Jester45> if you want to have the script run from a command like !eggdrop you run alias !eggdrop=bash /absolute/path/to/file
[01:53] <SlimFont> I have been running mirc on ubuntu for a while now and it's been working fine. Now all of a sudden the window has hidden itself. The program runs but I can't use it.
[01:55] <Jester45> ALASKAMAN, sorry run alias !eggdrop="bash /absolute/path/to/file"
[01:59] <ALASKAMAN> soi would make it using something like pico
[02:03] <cellofellow> yeah
[02:04] <cellofellow> though pico == nano
[02:04] <cellofellow> symlink
[02:06] <Jester45> any text editor would do fine
[02:06] <Jester45> a bash script is just a text file with the first line being "#!/bin/bash"
[02:09] <ALASKAMAN> does it nee3d to done as root
[02:09] <Jester45> no
[02:10] <Jester45> it will have the same abilties of the user that runs it
[02:10] <Jester45> so if you need to run somthing as root you might want to have the script be run by root
[02:12] <Jester45> you have the last mimzy in 3 places /www/apache2-default/downloads/thelast mimzy/thelastmimzy.avi
[02:12] <Jester45> and
[02:12] <Jester45>  in /www/apache2-default/downloads/thelast mimzy.avi
[02:13] <Jester45> and in /www/thelast mimnzy.avi
[02:14] <Jester45> and... in /www/apache/torrentflux/html/downloads/thelastminzy/minzy.avi
[02:14] <ALASKAMAN> so it would look like some like this #!/bin/bash
[02:14] <Jester45> oooo my
[02:14] <Jester45> did u put that all in here
[02:14] <ALASKAMAN> !eggdrop="bash /dowloads/eggdrop1.6.18.tar
[02:14] <Jester45> sorry
[02:15] <Jester45> no..
[02:15] <Jester45> bash /path/to/the/script
[02:16] <Jester45> the alias !eggdrop= thing is just so you can run !eggdrop and what ever =on this side gets run
[02:17] <ALASKAMAN> sorry im just bit confused
[02:17] <Jester45> ALASKAMAN, did you make the script?
[02:18] <ALASKAMAN> that what trying to figure out how to do
[02:18] <Jester45> ok
[02:18] <Jester45> open a blank text file
[02:19] <Jester45> type #!/bin/bash
[02:19] <Jester45> then press enter
[02:19] <Jester45> now what ever your trying to do make each line a command
[02:19] <Jester45> so you said you wanted to download something
[02:20] <Jester45> you would make the 2nd line wget http://www.site.com/downloads/eggdrop.tar.gz2
[02:20] <Jester45> that would download
[02:20] <Jester45> press enter
[02:20] <Jester45> if you want to do anything else then make the new line have that
[02:20] <Jester45> keep adding lines/commands
[02:21] <Jester45> when done type exit
[02:21] <Jester45> then save
[02:21] <Jester45> then to run you type bash /path/to/script
[02:22] <Jester45> a bash script is what you are making it is just like a windows .bat file. it just a string of diffrent commands to run. like i have one that runs apt-get update apt-get -dist-upgrade
[02:22] <Jester45> so that i stay uptodate
[02:23] <Jester45> the script runs line #1 then #2 then #3 and keeps doing that untill you kill it or it getts an error on a line or it runs out of lines
[02:38] <pili> How do I edit the menu items? xfce4-menueditor only shows me the "configuration" menu
[02:38] <pili> It may be only showing my apps
[02:38] <pili> in home
[02:40] <cellofellow> edit the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[02:40] <cellofellow> the menu isn't very editable
[02:40] <pili> thanx
[02:41] <pili> i want to put some things in spanish
[02:53] <ALASKAMAN> how do i make a script excaubale
[02:55] <aroo> chmod +x
[03:11] <NKUMike> Hey can someone tell me is it possible to have the cpu memory and network statistics embedded in the desktop?
[03:13] <cellofellow> what was that app called? based on torsmo?
[03:16] <maxamillion> NKUMike: conky
[03:16] <maxamillion> !info conky | NKUMike
[03:16] <ubotu> nkumike: conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 123 kB, installed size 416 kB
[03:17] <NKUMike> Does it have a GUI?
[03:17] <maxamillion> NKUMike: its available in the repository, more information here: http://conky.sf.net
[03:18] <cellofellow> NKUMike: it runs as GUI, but is configured with a text file.
[03:18] <NKUMike> Awesome I will check it out thanks for your help!
[03:19] <cellofellow> NKUMike: another thing you might like is adesklets, also in the repos and more info at adesklets.sf.net
[03:22] <NKUMike> is there like an uninstall command? like there is an install command ?
[03:22] <NKUMike> like apt-get uninstal?
[03:22] <totalwormage> remowe
[03:22] <totalwormage> remove*
[03:24] <j1mc> yeah, sudo apt-get remove packagename
[03:24] <j1mc> NKUMike: that will remove the package you name, but if there are any files were also installed during that file's install process, just entering "sudo apt-get remove packagename" won't remove them.
[03:25] <j1mc> to remove unneeded files that were installed as part of another installation, you'll need to type:
[03:25] <j1mc> sudo apt-get autoremove
[03:26] <NKUMike> alright cool
[03:27] <maxamillion> NKUMike: and if there is a configuration file belonging to a package that you would also like removed enter "sudo dpkg --purge <package>" after you remove it
[03:27] <cellofellow> NKUMike: synaptic calls that Remove Completely
[03:27] <NKUMike> oh ok
[03:29] <maxamillion> and aptitude is nice enough to include that feature for you ;) .... "sudo aptitude purge <package>" will do the same in 1 command as the two commands: "sudo apt-get autoremove <package>" and "sudo dpkg --purge <package>" ... just food for thought ;)
[03:29] <NKUMike> alright
[03:29] <NKUMike> Is there like a general scripting language that is should be used?
[03:30] <cellofellow> bash, python, depends on what you wanna do.
[03:30] <NKUMike> I'm not sure I think I am moving towards linux so I figured I should learn a scripting language
[03:30] <maxamillion> NKUMike: there are many that are fully capable .... python, perl, bash, lisp, ruby, etc .... the list goes on
[03:31] <maxamillion> NKUMike: i recommend python
[03:31] <NKUMike> Alright cool I have some experience with that
[03:31] <maxamillion> NKUMike: python comes default on almost all distros these days, even live distros (accept minimalist ones like DamnSmallLinux)
[03:32] <NKUMike> cool
[03:33] <maxamillion> that it is :)
[03:34] <maxamillion> NKUMike: and there are many gui toolkits that are compatible with python .... and there are many gui programs that many people use daily that are written in python
[03:34] <maxamillion> NKUMike: you ever heard of exaile?
[03:34] <NKUMike> nope
[03:37] <vidd> is there a way to control how much bandwith your server will take up?
[03:37] <maxamillion> NKUMike: http://www.exaile.org/ and http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Screenshots are both written in python+pygtk (pygtk is the library that binds the gtk gui toolkit to python)
[03:37] <NKUMike> I asked this earlier but does anyone know a tutorial on installing vnc server on xubuntu with config setup too?
[03:38] <NKUMike> I'll check that out thanks
[03:38] <maxamillion> vidd: yeah, there are modules in apache, vsftpd, proftpd, etc that allow you to throttle bandwidth
[03:38] <maxamillion> !vnc
[03:38] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[03:38] <maxamillion> uhmm... i think that tutorial might only apply to ubuntu ... lemme check
[03:39] <NKUMike> alright
[03:39] <maxamillion> NKUMike: nope, that one is a broad approach and should work just fine on xubuntu
[03:40] <NKUMike> Alright, anyone know a tutorial where I can learn to I guess set up a webserver, basically I want to be able to access this computer through the web and use it to access any harddrive on the lan, is this possible?
[03:41] <maxamillion> NKUMike: to access the hard drive you are probably going to want a ftp server or a samba server, i don't think you will need an actual web server
[03:42] <NKUMike> Can IE handle ftp?
[03:42] <maxamillion> NKUMike: yes
[03:42] <NKUMike> !ftp
[03:42] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[03:42] <maxamillion> !ftpd
[03:42] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd, !MuddleFTPd, !wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[03:42] <NKUMike> thanks!
[03:43] <maxamillion> NKUMike: no problem
[03:43] <NKUMike> whats d stand for?
[03:43] <maxamillion> NKUMike: daemon
[03:43] <NKUMike> oh ok
[03:43] <NKUMike> any favorites?
[03:43] <vidd> NKUMike, for the evil empires web browser to handle ftp...you point it to ftp:// instead of http://
[03:44] <maxamillion> NKUMike: if you don't want it password protected, i recommend vsftpd ... pretty easy setup and its fast, but if you want some login authentication then proftpd is really good
[03:44] <NKUMike> ha ok
[03:44] <vidd> NKUMike, my prefered FTP server is proftpd
[03:44] <NKUMike> alright thanks
[03:44] <maxamillion> NKUMike: for more reading on daemons (if you were interested), go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_%28computer_software%29
[03:44] <Lectus> what's the name of the module on Xubuntu that does automounting of the drives (including ntfs)?
[03:45] <maxamillion> Lectus: well it would be HAL, but i can't remember if xubuntu automounts ntfs by default ... i think we leave that module out by default because its a little resource hungry
[03:45] <NKUMike> Definitely, if I set up an ftp server will there be some way to access the hd's on the other boxes on my lan?
[03:46] <maxamillion> !hal | Lectus
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <maxamillion> bah!
[03:46] <maxamillion> !hald | Lectus
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <maxamillion> what@@#!^????
[03:46] <maxamillion> -.-;
[03:46] <posingaspopular> oh hey there j1mc. i didn't see you come in
[03:46] <j1mc> hey posingaspopular
[03:46] <j1mc> i auto-load this channel
[03:47] <j1mc> maxamillion: haha
[03:47] <posingaspopular> nah i just joined
[03:47] <maxamillion> NKUMike: yes, any machine that you enter in "ftp://x.x.x.x" where the "x.x.x.x" is the ip address of the machine into the web browser you should be able to access the files you have configured to be allowed to be viewed remotely
[03:47] <Lectus> yes, it does automounting for NTFS. I'm just asking the name of it because I'm installing another distribution on another PC that requires installing each package one by one. So I'd like to add automounting to it.
[03:48] <maxamillion> Lectus: well it should be hal (or hald), stands for "hardware abstraction layer" ... it does all the nifty "on the fly" hardware detection
[03:48] <NKUMike> maxamillion: So if I set up samba and 'map' the other drives on the Lan all of those will be accessible when connecting to this xubuntu machine using ftp?
[03:49] <maxamillion> NKUMike: whoa whoa ... you are crossing concept
[03:49] <maxamillion> concepts*
[03:49] <NKUMike> what do u mean
[03:49] <NKUMike> you*
[03:49] <maxamillion> NKUMike: you either need samba _OR_ and ftp server
[03:50] <maxamillion> NKUMike: if you setup samba and configure it to share directories, then you can just map that machine as a remote drive on any other machine on the net and you can browse the files that way
[03:51] <NKUMike> I only want to expose this computer because its good ol secure linux and the rest are windows but I still want access to their filesystems while away, does that make sense?
[03:51] <maxamillion> NKUMike: on windows, open "my computer" and i think its under "tools" and then "map network drive", that's where you would enter the information about the xubuntu machine that has a samba server running on it
[03:51] <maxamillion> NKUMike: ohhhhh, you want to map those machines to xubuntu and then browse all that from ftp remotely .... gotchya
[03:51] <NKUMike> yeah!
[03:52] <NKUMike> brb
[03:52] <maxamillion> NKUMike: then you are going to need something like fusesmb or create a static mount point for those samba shares so that your ftp server can share them as though they are local files
[03:52] <maxamillion> NKUMike: k
[04:03] <NKUMike> Alright back sorry about that, so what is a static mount point? Is that like mapping a network driver?
[04:05] <maxamillion> NKUMike: well, basically you will make a directory inside /mnt/ and call it whatever you want like "/mnt/nku_windows_box/" and then use that as the mount point for the samba share, then configure your ftp server to share that directory
[04:05] <NKUMike> Alright gotcha, I think!
[04:06] <maxamillion> k, well i unfortunately must go ... but i am around here alot so if you need help later on and you catch me, just ask
[04:06] <NKUMike> Alright thanks for all your help!
[04:06] <maxamillion> anytime :)
[04:17] <Jester45> how can i check to see if my mic works?
[04:30] <miramana> hi, anyone to help? i dedicated a partition to the PV. parted says it is 239GB, pvdisplay -- 216GB. i just can't figure out where are 23Gs?
[04:31] <j1mc> miramana: what is PV?
[04:32] <miramana> j1mc, = Physical Volume (LVM)
[04:33] <j1mc> miramana: can you try running "df -m" and then pasting the results at www.pastebin.ca
[04:33] <j1mc> miramana: are you in the installation now, or you're just starting the install?
[04:34] <miramana> j1mc, no, i am writing this from the installed xubuntu box
[04:36] <miramana> j1mc, http://www.pastebin.ca/600778
[04:36] <j1mc> thx
[04:38] <j1mc> is that a pasting of df -m?
[04:41] <miramana> j1mc, no, it is the combined output from parted and pvdisplay. why df -m?
[04:41] <j1mc> i just wanted to see the full output of that... i'm not sure if it's any better or worse, but it shows total partition size and partition usage in megabytes
[04:43] <miramana> j1mc, ok, http://www.pastebin.ca/600784
[04:45] <magic_ninja> man i don't see why i can't join winehq, i'm always banned and i never talk on there
[04:46] <j1mc> hmmm... /me is stumped.
[04:51] <j1mc> miramana: sorry, but i personnaly can't explain what is causing the difference.
[04:51] <j1mc> you may want to try asking in #ubuntu, as they have more people in there.
[04:51] <j1mc> the issue is the same whether you're using ubuntu, kubuntu, or xubuntu...
[04:51] <j1mc> i'm sorry i can't be of more help.
[04:52] <miramana> j1mc, ok? thanks anyway
[04:52] <j1mc> yw
[04:58] <Jester45> anyone know how to get my mic/headphones to work. my speakers work but not the phones or mic
[05:00] <Jester45> !jack
[05:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <cvzero> anyone out there have lithuim 2?
[05:15] <malnilion> Any of you folk happen to know if it's possible to add a network path to amarok's collection?
[05:15] <malnilion> The, erm, gui seems a bit restrictrive on that point.
[05:22] <feliciano> Hi... I'm trying to decide which file system try... I read some articles and I guess XFS is a good alternative... What do you think??
[05:22] <Jester45> i depends on what size the files are and your hardware
[05:23] <Jester45> resierfsv4 is good and so is jfs and xfs
[05:23] <feliciano> Jester45... is for a home PC
[05:24] <Jester45> well
[05:24] <feliciano> did you try all of them??? what do you think is best for a normal user??
[05:24] <Jester45> i like reiser
[05:24] <cheeseboy> where is trash folder?
[05:25] <malnilion> Reiser is pretty sweet
[05:25] <Jester45> cheeseboy, .trash
[05:25] <feliciano> And what about xfs??? did you try this??? Jester45 malnilion
[05:26] <malnilion> Can't say that I have
[05:26] <Jester45> yea... but if your dont umount cleanly you have to format your drive
[05:27] <malnilion> Eek
[05:27] <feliciano> Jester45... what???
[05:28] <Jester45> ext3's journal is stored on the harddrive. xfs's is in ram. so its faster but when it breaks its broken
[05:28] <Jester45> no lost+found
[05:29] <Jester45> #alsa
[05:29] <Jester45> oops
[05:29] <feliciano> jajajaja
[05:30] <feliciano> Jester45... and Raiser??
[05:31] <Jester45> its good for smaller files
[05:31] <Jester45> i have it on my /
[05:31] <Jester45> but /home is ext3
[05:34] <feliciano> mmm
[05:35] <feliciano> I'm still unsure
[05:37] <Jester45> i would go with reiser
[05:37] <Jester45> for / and ext3 as /home or where ever you might store movies or other big files
[05:39] <BFTD> reiser is a cool guy
[05:39] <BFTD> I suggest reiser for old HDD's
[05:39] <BFTD> slow ones
[05:39] <feliciano> Jester45... when you say "big files" how much MBs are we talking about??
[05:39] <BFTD> 4000 MBs
[05:40] <feliciano> then I dont need ext3... I never use files that big..
[05:40] <feliciano> as far I use 800 Mbs files
[05:40] <BFTD> you use windows on the same system?
[05:40] <BFTD> yeah
[05:40] <BFTD> use ext3
[05:41] <feliciano> why?
[05:41] <BFTD> and reiser for your root directory
[05:41] <BFTD> is more support
[05:41] <BFTD> for the /home partition
[05:42] <feliciano> I understand
[05:42] <BizFatal> has anyone had an issue installing from the live cd where the installation windows become little blank boxes, so you cant see whats going on?
[05:45] <feliciano> BizFatal... I'm sorry I just install from the alternative cd
[05:46] <Jester45> BizFatal, is the cpu at 100%
[05:46] <feliciano> BFTD just one last question
[05:47] <feliciano> If I wanna let a patiton for share files betwen windows and xubuntu... which one is better??? fat32 or NTFS
[05:48] <Jester45> depends on the version of windows
[05:49] <feliciano> win2k
[05:49] <Jester45> i would do fat32
[05:49] <Catoptromancy> I use FAT32 works perfectly
[05:49] <feliciano> thanks a lot
[05:49] <Jester45> or fat16
[05:49] <Catoptromancy> heh
[05:50] <Catoptromancy> FA32 allows bigger file system
[05:50] <Catoptromancy> and probably more stable as well
[05:50] <BFTD> wth
[05:50] <BFTD> yeah not fat16
[05:50] <j1mc> g'nite, all
[05:50] <BizFatal> Im trying again and will let you know about the cpu, it shouldn't be though, installed regular ubuntu no problem
[05:51] <BizFatal> im downloading te alternative cd now lol
[05:51] <Jester45> ok
[05:51] <Jester45> the alt is better
[05:53] <BizFatal> i use ext2 to share with windows, you can install the ext2 file system into windows
[05:54] <feliciano> BizFatal... which windows??
[05:54] <BizFatal> xp
[05:54] <feliciano> I use win2k... I just want it from emergencys
[05:54] <BizFatal> NT/XP/2k/2k3 according to the site
[05:55] <feliciano> In fact... I didnt have windows right now... but I'm thinking about playing Counter Striker :p
[05:56] <Ramon> hello.. :) I'm having a weird issue here.. the OS is showing me the following issue after I installed it:http://rafb.net/p/3s67Xd81.html
[05:56] <Ramon> Bios is 1998
[05:58] <BizFatal> feliciano- www.fs-driver.org if you wanna take a look
[05:59] <feliciano> I'm trying to format a USB pendrive with gparted... and this ask me for a disklabel... and offert msdos like default... which one I have to pick??
[06:00] <Jester45> !paste
[06:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:10] <kiosk> xubuntu rocks yall
[07:10] <kiosk> anyone awake?
[07:11] <k-os> barely
[07:11] <kiosk> lol
[07:46] <feliciano> hi... I install ubuntu but i forgot asign /home to a partiton... and I wanna have this in a different partiton than / .... Exist any way to change the /home partition now??? after install ubuntu???
[07:46] <feliciano> Xubuntu, sorry
[07:48] <TheSheep> feliciano: yes
[07:48] <feliciano> how??
[07:48] <TheSheep> feliciano: you need to mount that partition somewhere else, copy its contents as root, unmount it, then add to fstab as /home
[07:49] <TheSheep> feliciano: I can walk you through this
[07:49] <feliciano> TheSheep, I try to do this with gparted... but Its doesnt work
[07:50] <feliciano> TheSheep please explain me step by step please
[07:50] <feliciano> TheSheep, the partition is created and well mount
[07:50] <TheSheep> feliciano: where did you mount it?
[07:51] <feliciano> TheSheep, /media/hda7
[07:52] <feliciano> ext3
[07:52] <TheSheep> feliciano: ok, open a terminal
[07:52] <feliciano> sudo thunar?
[07:52] <TheSheep> no, accessories->terminal
[07:52] <feliciano> ready
[07:52] <TheSheep> feliciano: what is your user name?
[07:52] <feliciano> feliciano
[07:52] <feliciano> :D
[07:53] <k-os> someone who can tell me how I replace grub with lilo?
[07:53] <TheSheep> type 'sudo -rp /home/feliciano /media/hda7/'
[07:53] <TheSheep> k-os: install lilo, configure it in /etc/lilo.conf and then run 'lilo' as root
[07:53] <feliciano> illegal option -rp
[07:53] <TheSheep> feliciano: sorry
[07:53] <TheSheep> type 'sudo cp -rp /home/feliciano /media/hda7/'
[07:54] <TheSheep> it's too early for me
[07:54] <feliciano> ready
[07:54] <k-os> TheSheep: yeah, then how do I configure it?
[07:54] <TheSheep> k-os: man lilo
[07:54] <feliciano> !lilo
[07:54] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[07:55] <TheSheep> feliciano: type 'gksu mousepad /etc/fstab'
[07:55] <k-os> grub gives me invalid hard drive sector
[07:55] <TheSheep> feliciano: an editor will pop up
[07:55] <TheSheep> k-os: that usuallu means that you're using a large hard disk in an old computer
[07:55] <feliciano> yepis... but The partition is still mount
[07:55] <TheSheep> feliciano: don't worry about that for now
[07:56] <k-os> TheSheep: 60 gb on a laptop from last year?
[07:56] <feliciano> TheSheep ok... ready
[07:56] <TheSheep> k-os: then it may be something else :)
[07:56] <TheSheep> feliciano: add a line at the end:
[07:56] <k-os> something grub related I guess
[07:56] <feliciano> TheSheep change the hda7 to home??
[07:56] <TheSheep> feliciano: ah, there is a line for hda7
[07:57] <TheSheep> feliciano: yes, change the mount point to /home
[07:57] <feliciano> TheSheep yep... do you want to see my fstab file?? i can put it in  a pastebin
[07:57] <TheSheep> feliciano: lets see it
[07:59] <feliciano> TheSheep look this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28299/
[08:00] <TheSheep> feliciano: ok, just change that '/media/hda7' to '/home'
[08:00] <feliciano> ok
[08:01] <feliciano> TheSheep... it's all??
[08:01] <TheSheep> feliciano: now we need to remove the old home and mount the new one
[08:01] <TheSheep> feliciano: unmount that /dev/hda7
[08:01] <feliciano> TheSheep I try to unmount it by gparted... but doesnt work
[08:02] <feliciano> TheSheep Is there some comand?
[08:02] <TheSheep> feliciano: umount /dev/hda7
[08:02] <feliciano> unmount /media/hda7?
[08:03] <TheSheep> feliciano: you can't unmount it if you have any program running in it
[08:03] <feliciano> I try without sudo and get this: umount: /media/hda7 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
[08:04] <feliciano> TheSheep but I try with sudo and I guess work
[08:04] <TheSheep> sudo umount /dev/hda7
[08:04] <feliciano> but the icon still in the desktop
[08:04] <TheSheep> feliciano: type 'mount' to see if it's mounted
[08:04] <feliciano> TheSheep is well umount
[08:04] <feliciano> :D
[08:05] <feliciano> TheSheep how I going to delete the original /home??
[08:05] <TheSheep> sudo mv /home /oldhome && sudo mkdir /home && sudo mount -a
[08:06] <feliciano> TheSheep I did that...
[08:06] <TheSheep> any messages?
[08:06] <feliciano> TheSheep nop
[08:07] <TheSheep> type 'mount' and see if /home is mounted
[08:07] <feliciano> /dev/hda7 on /home type ext3 (rw)
[08:07] <feliciano> :D
[08:07] <TheSheep> great, now relog and you can delete /oldhome
[08:08] <feliciano> mkdir delete directories?
[08:08] <TheSheep> feliciano: mkdir makes them
[08:08] <TheSheep> feliciano: mv renames
[08:08] <TheSheep> feliciano: yuor old home is renamed to oldhome
[08:08] <TheSheep> feliciano: you must relog before deleting it
[08:09] <feliciano> TheSheep but we create a new /home with 'mkdir /home' can you explainme that?? why we created a new /home if we have /home at the partition??
[08:10] <feliciano> TheSheep not necesary
[08:10] <feliciano> TheSheep I understand now
[08:10] <feliciano> TheSheep :D
[08:11] <feliciano> TheSheep relog just close my session?? or need to reboot??
[08:11] <TheSheep> just log out and login again
[08:11] <TheSheep> no need to reboot
[08:11] <feliciano> ok... I will Back
[08:13] <feliciano> I'm here
[08:13] <feliciano> TheSheep... Delete the /oldhome???
[08:14] <TheSheep> feliciano: yes, or you may want to ait a little and check if everything is ok with your new home
[08:14] <feliciano> TheSheep... "7G Volumen" still is at desktop
[08:14] <TheSheep> wait*
[08:15] <TheSheep> feliciano: but 'mount' says that /home is mounted?
[08:15] <feliciano> TheSheep... yes... Is only the volumen icon... but if I double click it send me to home
[08:16] <TheSheep> funny
[08:16] <feliciano> yepis
[08:16] <nzk> Gah! Why are all my fonts screwed up
[08:16] <TheSheep> !language | nzk
[08:16] <ubotu> nzk: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:16] <nzk> That's...not a swear
[08:16] <nzk> But ok
[08:16] <TheSheep> nzk: what did you do when that happened?
[08:17] <nzk> Installed xubuntu.
[08:17] <nzk> All fonts in firefox and in xchat are gigantic
[08:17] <TheSheep> !dpi
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <TheSheep> hmm..
[08:17] <feliciano> nkz... you understand spanish?? at my blog I give the solution
[08:18] <nzk> :|
[08:18] <nzk> Who is nkz
[08:18] <feliciano> TheSheep... then you didnt know how solve the icon trouble???
[08:19] <TheSheep> feliciano: no, sorry
[08:19] <feliciano> nzk sorry.. little mistake
[08:19] <nzk> I don't speak Spanish
[08:19] <nzk> Sorry
[08:19] <feliciano> TheSheep I'm going to try rebooting
[08:19] <feliciano> nzk... wait... i can send you a file with the solution
[08:20] <nzk> Ok
[08:21] <feliciano> TheSheep Thanks about the help
[08:22] <TheSheep> np
[08:23] <feliciano> nzk, are you there??
[08:23] <nzk> Yes
[08:24] <feliciano> nzk, accept the file
[08:24] <nzk> What file
[08:25] <feliciano> nzk, mmmm
[08:25] <nzk> I didn't get a prompt to accept/deny anything
[08:25] <feliciano> nzk .. I'm try to send you..
[08:25] <feliciano> nzk .. I guess I'm going to put it in a pastebin
[08:26] <nzk> Yeah, that would be better
[08:29] <feliciano> nzk .. Ready... I paste the entire file... but I jump the step number 4... You can use it like you want... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28300/
[08:29] <feliciano> nzk .. I hope this was the same problem... good luck
[08:29] <feliciano> bye guys
[10:50] <ceil420> anyone have any ideas why my cursors won't work? :(
[10:55] <nzk> What do you mean?
[10:56] <ceil420> well i just designed a cursor set, chose it in the mouse settings, and restarted X, and i'm still stuck with the ugly default cursors ;x
[10:56] <ceil420> it's not just mine, either; most of the cursors i download don't work
[10:57] <ceil420> i just spent hours designing 37 cursors and learning to use xcursorgen ><
[10:57] <ceil420> when i select the cursors, btw, the preview works; i can see my cursors in the window
[11:01] <nzk> Hmm
[11:01] <nzk> Perhaps there is some package for custom cursors
[11:01] <nzk> I don't know, though
[11:03] <ceil420> there's a few that i have that do work, tho -_-
[11:03] <ceil420> incidentally, you know if there's plans to make it so we don't have to restart X to refresh the cursors? :x
[11:03] <TheSheep> ceil420: maybe you have hardware cursor forced in your xorg?
[11:05] <ceil420> "cursor" is only mentioned three times, and nowhere that looks like it should always be using a default one :x
[11:06] <ceil420> Section "ServerLayout" >> InputDevice "cursor" "SendCoreEvents" is the only one that looks weird to me
[11:07] <ceil420> Section "InputDevice" >> Identifier "cursor" and Option "Type" "cursor" are the other two
[11:07] <TheSheep> ceil420: that's not it
[11:07] <ceil420> wait
[11:07] <ceil420> Section "ServerLayout"
[11:07] <ceil420> 	Identifier	"Default Layout"
[11:07] <ceil420> what about that?
[11:07] <ceil420> :o
[11:07] <TheSheep> ceil420: try adding 'Option "swcursor"' to your device section
[11:07] <TheSheep> umm
[11:08] <TheSheep> to the section where you set the vga driver
[11:08] <ceil420> with the video card?
[11:08] <TheSheep> yes
[11:09] <ceil420> puh; just remembered i'm lookin' at xorg.conf read-only style ;x
[11:10] <ceil420> hmm
[11:11] <ceil420> when i change the cursor, the change is immediate in some of them in Firefox (prolly related to Firefox not obeying theme "rules" :x)
[11:11] <ceil420> about half of them work in Firefox, half don't
[11:11] <ceil420> mine's one of the ones that doesn't ;x
[11:12] <ceil420> am i missing a config file or something? cos i just ran the config files for the .png's through xcursorgen; i didn't write an index.theme or anything
[11:15] <gerro> computer doesn't have internet access and was wondering where I could stick an apt-get install list then shutdown command in start up scripts so I could move just the box part to other room for ethernet
[11:15] <gerro> trying to do some kernel updates before getting some wireless drivers working :)
[11:15] <ceil420> hmm... i'm gonna try copyin' my cursors to /usr/share/icons
[11:16] <gerro> ceil420: oooh cursors?
[11:16] <gerro> ceil420: they dont' have many choices by default, where you get yours? they neat?
[11:16] <ceil420> ones that don't work atm ;x i get the suspicion it's cos they're in ~/
[11:16] <ceil420> gerro, www.xfce-look.org has some; i made a set that i'm trying to test
[11:16] <gerro> most likely file permissions
[11:20] <ceil420> zomg
[11:20] <ceil420> :D
[11:20] <ceil420> took me a bit to actually move 'em to /usr/share (dno why, but i always forget about the -r switch when moving folders :x that confused me for a minute)
[11:20] <ceil420> but they work now \o/
[11:21] <ceil420> thanks for your time, people that responded o/
[11:24] <ceil420> k, Now i'm just confused :x
[11:24] <ceil420> my "watch" cursor worked as X was loading, but once it loads, i have *mostly* default cursors again
[11:24] <ceil420> the xterm cursor (the "typing" one) is mine, but all the rest i've seen are default :(
[11:25] <ceil420> ah, and "hand" is mine too
[11:25] <ceil420> i know i changed all the pointers and resize cursors, though :(
[11:25] <gerro> hm
[11:26] <gerro> so you copied default theme and edited certain cursor files in it to your own
[11:26] <gerro> seems like what I did to the tango icon theme I have
[11:26] <ceil420> no, i made it from scratch
[11:26] <gerro> ah okay
[11:26] <ceil420> and i made 37 cursors :x most of what i left out was the crap like "gumby" and "sailboat"
[11:27] <ceil420> (there are 77 total)
[11:28] <ceil420> and srsly, Xubuntu needs to stop stickin' me in Workspace 2 when i start X ;x
[11:28] <ceil420> weirdness ;x when i re-size xchat's nicklist bar, i get my cursor; but when i re-size xchat itself, it's default ><
[11:30] <ceil420> it seems that my cursors (except the main one, "arrow") work inside apps, but i get the default ones *around* the apps ;x
[11:31] <ceil420> is this a known problem, or am i suffering more than most people that design their own cursors? ><
[11:41] <TheSheep> ceil420: you might try asking at #xfce
[11:43] <ceil420> i'll do it some other time; there's a crazy operator in there right now, threatening to ban people for suggesting programs ;x
[11:44] <ceil420> i'll keep that in mind tho, thanks
[11:48] <gerro> suggesting programs??
[11:54] <ceil420> oh, someone asked what a good torrent program is, and AngryOp used a bot to send him to some "recommendedprograms" site or something, but me and a few other people suggested our personal favourites
[11:54] <ceil420> then AngryOp set +o on himself and said "one more suggestion and you're out"
[11:54] <ceil420> -_-
[12:04] <predaeus> yup ElAngelo seems to be a bit trigger happy, kicks people he/she knows for fun too.
[02:48] <craigbass1976> Where can I find system requirements for Xub feisty
[02:53] <TheSheep> craigbass1976: there are no minimal requirements -- it will just work slower and slower on wekaer systems
[02:54] <zials> I think there is a bit of info on that in the main site... http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[02:54] <craigbass1976> Ok.  My grandmother-in -law just had a video card bork on her 98 box.  I don't have any, but I have a 98 box with integrated video.  The only such boxes I've put linux on were headless
[02:54] <craigbass1976> Ran spiffily
[02:55] <craigbass1976> zials, Oh, duh.  If I had only scrolled down past the download sites....  You can slap me now.
[02:55] <totalwormage> hurrah
[03:58] <xubuntu> Hi, I have a problem to install xubuntu 7.04 on my Ubuntu 6.10 system(hdb). The problem is gparted can't make new ext3 file system on existed ext3 partition(ubuntu 6.10) while installation.
[04:00] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[04:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[04:00] <xubuntu> xubuntu installation program thanks
[04:00] <xubuntu> thanks
[06:15] <hyper_ch> local guru needed ;)
[06:16] <Jester45> ??
[06:16] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i'm no guru ... but i can try and help
[06:17] <hyper_ch> hihi maxamillion and Jester45 :)
[06:17] <hyper_ch> how do I put the output of a cron to /dev/null instead that an email will be sent?
[06:17] <Jester45> hi
[06:17] <Jester45> >> /dev/null?
[06:18] <Jester45> i think you put that at the end of the script
[06:18] <hyper_ch> Jester45: does that work with php?    5 12 * * * php -f /path/to/script > /dev/null ?
[06:18] <Jester45> idk
[06:18] <Jester45> i think its bash only
[06:18] <Jester45> i didnt know cron could run php
[06:19] <hyper_ch> Jester45: sure it can ;)
[06:20] <maxamillion> Jester45: cron can run "hello world" if you tell it to
[06:21] <hyper_ch> cron is cool :)
[06:21] <hyper_ch> whoever wrote cron is a genious :)
[06:21] <Jester45>  /scripts/cron.php >/dev/null 2>&1
[06:23] <grazie> A bit off topic, but I'd like to hear folks experiences on adsl routers. Been having internet connection problems for ages and now believe that certainly part of the problem has been my dodgy netgear dg834 router
[06:23] <hyper_ch> why that 2>&1 ?
[06:24] <Jester45> because
[06:24] <Jester45> grazie, mine works fine
[06:24] <hyper_ch> Jester45: "because" is not a suitable answer :)
[06:25] <Jester45> because thats what i copy/pasted
[06:25] <grazie> Cheers Jester45 ... a netgear dg834? I believe the usa firmware is different
[06:26] <Jester45> grazie, a netopia+dlink erb3210
[06:26] <Jester45> hi cellofellow
[06:26] <cellofellow> I think I just figured out how to get NoteEdit to playback to ALSA: use Timidity as a daemon.
[06:26] <cellofellow> hello
[06:27] <cellofellow> just a little epiphany. A good notation editor is the only thing keeping my mom on Windows.
[06:27] <cellofellow> downloading and installing both programs now.
[06:27] <Jester45> cellofellow, i got a mic now for teamspeak... but i cant get it to work and i think its broken because it doesnt work on any of my other computers
[06:28] <cellofellow> what kind of mic? plugs into the soundcard or USB?
[06:28] <Jester45> card
[06:28] <Jester45> i can only get 1 output to work
[06:28] <cellofellow> do you have a stereo with mic or aux input?
[06:28] <Jester45> umm
[06:28] <Jester45> i got a audigy SE
[06:29] <cellofellow> does it have the large 1/4" jack or the smaller one?
[06:29] <cellofellow> I really don't know brands.
[06:29] <cellofellow> I used to have a mic that worked iffy. Now I can't find it.
[06:29] <cellofellow> Moved one too many times.
[06:29] <cellofellow> (It was good for soundbites in Audacity, nothing more.)
[06:30] <Jester45> its the stanard headphone plug for the mic
[06:30] <Jester45> i guess 1/4
[06:30] <cellofellow> Most computer I've seen have the smaller 1/8" jack, the one that's the same as most headphones.
[06:31] <cellofellow> Not the big one.
[06:31] <Jester45> ok its the 1/8 then
[06:31] <cellofellow> (Our digital piano has the 1/4 though. Very annoying, have to use an adapter.)
[06:31] <cellofellow> Well, plug it in to the Mic input on the soundcard, and open the Mixer and turn up the mic volume.
[06:31] <Jester45> i did
[06:32] <cellofellow> :(
[06:32] <Jester45> also i cant get output from anything other than the front output
[06:32] <cellofellow> I still say try it with a stereo.
[06:32] <cellofellow> you have messed up soundcard
[06:32] <cellofellow> bbl
[06:32] <Jester45> it never bothered me b4 i allways used my sub to play things
[06:33] <Jester45> try with a stereo?
[06:36] <Jester45> hi BFTD
[06:36] <BFTD> hi Jester45
[06:37] <Jester45> my mic is broke
[06:37] <Jester45> i tried on other computers
[06:37] <BFTD> !!
[06:37] <BFTD> oh no!
[06:37] <BFTD> well
[06:37] <BFTD> go get another one
[06:37] <Jester45> and the headphones dont work when i plug them into my ipod
[06:38] <Jester45> im
[06:38] <BFTD> they're pretty cheap, like $10
[06:39] <cellofellow> he
[06:40] <cellofellow> I hate getting expensive stuff cause it's so sad when it breaks, and I hate getting cheap stuff cause it breaks so easy. What to do?
[06:41] <BFTD> the thing is, whenever I get a more expensive kind of headsets, they never seem to work with linux or they need some drivers to be used, so stick with some cheap ones
[06:41] <cellofellow> I would think that most headsets would have pretty much the same features and could use a standard driver or something.
[06:42] <BFTD> well the cheap to md range ones do
[06:42] <BFTD> mid-range
[06:44] <cellofellow> People always complain about video and wifi not working in linux, but the hardware I have the most trouble with is sound.
[06:44] <BFTD> you too eh?
[06:45] <cellofellow> MIDI is a real pain.
[06:45] <maxamillion> cellofellow: midi = uber pain
[06:45] <cellofellow> I have a USB-to-MIDI cable, and I found some "firmware" for it but I have no idea what to do with it.
[06:46] <cellofellow> and for some reason I keep getting "Invalid Device" errors with OpenAL, which means most of my favorite games don't have sound.
[06:46] <cellofellow> SuperTux, OpenArena, Warzone2100.
[06:46] <BFTD> what is MIDI?
[06:46] <maxamillion> BFTD: sound format
[06:47] <BFTD> Houston is the third largest city in the USA?
[06:47] <cellofellow> Musical Instrument Digital Interface or something like that. It's for connecting digital instruments like synths.
[06:47] <cellofellow> A standard language.
[06:47] <cellofellow> maxamillion: for some reason Boise is listed instead of SLC. Salt Lake is much bigger.
[06:47] <maxamillion> BFTD: sure is, something like 4.1 million in population and by actual geographical size, i know its top 5
[06:48] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah ... i dun really understand it
[06:48] <BFTD> oh
[06:48] <BFTD> as metropolis
[06:48] <cellofellow> Usually there is only one city per timezone anyway. I normally click Denver, but now I click Boise.
[06:48] <BFTD> San Jose is about 3 Million in Metropolis size, but morel like 1.2 million in actually city size
[06:49] <cellofellow> Salt Lake City itself is tiny. The whole Salt Lake County is the metro though.
[06:49] <cellofellow> (Which is why Mayor Rocky Anderson is such a hoot.)
[06:50] <cellofellow> He has no real power. He thinks he can play with the big boys like the mayors of New York.
[06:50] <cellofellow> ok, politics is OT, sorry.
[06:50] <Jester45> cellofellow, you better be :)
[06:51] <BFTD> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html
[06:51] <ceil420> there's a #politics, but that's generally filled with crazy conspiracy theorists :)
[06:52] <BFTD> yeah
[06:52] <cellofellow> oh, hyh.
[06:52] <BFTD> San Jose has grown by 250,000 in the last 2 years!
[06:52] <cellofellow> Those guys look in all the wrong places.
[06:52] <cellofellow> wowsers
[06:52] <cellofellow> San Jose in what, um, place? I can think of two or thee.
[06:53] <BFTD> San Jose is the city where I live, its in the bay area in California
[06:53] <BFTD> Second Biggest City in california
[06:54] <cellofellow> ok, that San Jose.
[06:54] <BFTD> 9th largest in the USA
[06:54] <ceil420> t's the only one i know :x
[06:54] <ceil420> wait, isn't there a san jose in costa rica? :o
[06:54] <BFTD> ceil420 yes
[06:54] <ceil420> heh t's the capital
[06:54] <ceil420> google ftw
[06:55] <cellofellow> I see San Diego and Los Angeles above San Jose in that Top 50 Cities list.
[06:55] <BFTD> oops
[06:55] <cellofellow> So, Third Biggest City in CA.
[06:55] <BFTD> 10th largest in the USA
[06:55] <BFTD> and third largest in Cali
[06:55] <BFTD> I knew something was wrong
[07:17] <keoni86> i am trying to install and i am runing across this problem were after i select install xubnutu it loads and then my screen starts flashing between orange and purple. any ideas?
[07:18] <maxamillion> keoni86: just need to configure your X server
[07:19] <maxamillion> keoni86: hit ctrl+alt+f1 and that will bring you to a command line login, login and then type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and follow the guide from there, once you are done type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" and you should be able to login
[07:40] <keoni86> still flashing
[07:40] <keoni86> as far as i know the install  never got anywhere
[07:40] <cellofellow> Ever since I messed with sudoers I haven't been able to get X stuff to work with sudo.
[07:41] <keoni86> because right after the loading bar got to the right side of the screen, screeen went blank than switched to flashing between orange and purple/blue
[07:41] <cellofellow> keoni86: what video card?
[07:42] <keoni86> nvidia
[07:42] <cellofellow> you have the drivers?
[07:42] <keoni86> not on a cd or anything
[07:42] <keoni86> this is straight from the install cd
[07:42] <cellofellow> sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx linux-generic
[07:42] <cellofellow> that will get you them
[07:44] <keoni86> this a comon problem for people with nvidia cards?
[07:44] <cellofellow> no
[07:44] <cellofellow> but it could be fixable by this
[07:44] <maxamillion> keoni86: i've had that issue on certain fx5000 series nvidia cards
[07:44] <keoni86> 5500?
[07:45] <maxamillion> keoni86: but mx440 and mx4000 work fine, as well as all geforce 6000 series and 7000 series i have tried
[07:45] <maxamillion> keoni86: yeah, i think i had a problem with that one ... but nvidia-glx fixed it
[07:45] <maxamillion> :)
[07:45] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i just have alot of hardware here at work
[07:45] <keoni86> now how do i know if this is finished here cause it looks like the console is not scrolling
[07:45] <cellofellow> What can I do to /etc/sudouers so that gksu works again?
[07:46] <cellofellow> keoni86: huh?
[07:47] <keoni86> it seems i dont see past the bottom of the screen unless i switch consoles and back
[07:47] <keoni86> max: it cant fetch the pack. i never configured network or anything
[07:48] <cellofellow> we can work that out
[07:50] <keoni86> i do i set default route
[07:50] <keoni86> how do i rather
[07:50] <maxamillion> keoni86: ah, do you have a dhcp server or you need a static ip?
[07:50] <cellofellow> set the gateway I think
[07:50] <keoni86> static
[07:51] <keoni86> i set the ip
[07:51] <keoni86> no i need to set gateway and ns
[07:51] <maxamillion> keoni86: so you have an ip but not a gateway and ns?
[07:51] <cellofellow> /etc/resolve.conf for setting DNS nameserver.
[07:51] <keoni86> well i just did sudo ifconfig eth0 inet 192.168.1.3
[07:53] <hyper__ch> how does one create a torrent tracker?
[07:54] <cellofellow> dunno
[07:54] <cellofellow> download one for starters
[07:59] <pili> can i make qt applications look better under xfce?
[07:59] <maxamillion> pili: yes, you probably need to install a qt theme chooser
[08:00] <pili> do you know the name of the package?
[08:01] <cellofellow> nope. Let me know when you find it.
[08:04] <pili> i think what is needed is a gtk theme chooser
[08:04] <pili> not qt
[08:05] <maxamillion> pili: xfce handles gtk themes in the settings manager .... you are tying to make qt applications look better right?
[08:05] <pili> that's it
[08:05] <cellofellow> GTK can be turned into QT with this special engine, but not the other way around.
[08:06] <maxamillion> pili: then i don't understand why you need a gtk theme chooser
[08:06] <pili> cna't qt be turnet into a gtk look?
[08:06] <pili> can't
[08:07] <pili> it is just that i'm used to some kde apps, and i installed them into my mother's pc, but they look awful
[08:07] <maxamillion> pili: yes, kde/qt generally looks like garbage compared to gtk
[08:08] <maxamillion> nightglider28: welcome
[08:08] <nightglider28> maxamillion: ty
[08:08] <pili> so is xfce using gtk and metacity?
[08:08] <maxamillion> pili: god no
[08:08] <maxamillion> pili: xfce is xfce ... it is written in gtk (which is a gui toolkit) and uses xfwm4
[08:08] <pili> i still don't understand how to change the appearance
[08:09] <maxamillion> pili: its in the settings manager
[08:09] <pili> ok
[08:12] <pili> and themes? I was sarching at xfce look, and there are 2 kinds, gtk2 themes and xfce themes. Is it the same? Will I be able to use both kinds? or are xfce themes more lightweight?
[08:13] <cellofellow> I know of GTK and XFWM themes. Try xfce-look.org
[08:13] <maxamillion> pili: xfce themes are for xfwm4 (the window borders) and gtk themes are the appearance of gtk applications (what a program looks like inside the window)
[08:13] <cellofellow> GTK themes come in two parts: the engine and the theme (a .gtkrc-2.0 file usually)
[08:14] <cellofellow> GTK: the buttons, the scrollbars, the menus, the checkboxes, etc.
[08:14] <cellofellow> I like the Murrine engine, and I keep switching themes.
[08:14] <pili> ok
[08:14] <pili> thanx
[08:15] <vidd> cellofellow, idont understand how that works.....
[08:15] <vidd> what is the difference between theme engines....
[08:15] <cellofellow> It's like games. The Engine is code, and the Data (the .gtkrc-2.0 file) is what makes it look good.
[08:16] <vidd> and can one theme work wit two engines, or does it need to be ported?>
[08:17] <maxamillion> vidd: as long as compatibility is maintained then the theme can work with multiple engines
[08:17] <maxamillion> vidd: just like how you can technically put gnome themes on xfce if you extract the correct peices
[09:08] <tidrion> got a new ATI Radeon 9250
[09:09] <tidrion> how do I get it working?
[09:10] <maxamillion> !ati | tidrion
[09:10] <ubotu> tidrion: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:14] <dsl745> ummm
[09:15] <Jester45> i somehow messed with my users
[09:15] <Jester45> and removed them all (i think)
[09:16] <Jester45> because when i try to boot gdm errors saying gdm user not found
[09:16] <Jester45> so could anyone give me a bit of help
[09:17] <Jester45> idk what to do im booted into DSL because xubuntu willnot connect to the internet for some reason
[09:24] <Jester45> rulent,
[09:30] <Jester45> anyone?
[09:31] <judgen> anyone tried xubuntu with beryl in vmware?
[09:33] <hyper_ch> judgen: vmware doesn't support 3d
[09:36] <judgen> yes it does
[09:36] <judgen> vmware6 runs many xp in virtual machine with full 3d support
[09:36] <judgen> many games in xp i ment
[09:37] <judgen> i just want to do it the other way around... using linux and a linux guest system with 3d
[09:37] <hyper_ch> but not vmware server
[09:39] <judgen> i saw some movie on youtube where they did it
[09:46] <Pumpernickel> It accelerates D3D, not OpenGL.  You won't benefit from it if the guest OS isn't Win2k or XP.
[09:48] <Re|ent|ess> I cant install xubuntu
[09:48] <zials> O.o ?
[09:48] <Re|ent|ess> D:
[09:48] <Re|ent|ess> The install wont let me continue
[09:49] <zials> where does it stop?
[09:49] <Re|ent|ess> picking a languange
[09:50] <Re|ent|ess> its doesnt show the languanges
[09:50] <Re|ent|ess> and the forword button is grey
[09:50] <zials> have you checked the CD for defects?
[09:51] <Re|ent|ess> Yep
[09:51] <Re|ent|ess> it worked just fine
[09:51] <Re|ent|ess> i een downloaded a new iso and burned it
[09:51] <Re|ent|ess> and it did the same thign
[09:51] <zials> the problem always comes?
[09:51] <zials> do you have 192 mb of ram or higher?
[09:53] <Re|ent|ess> 256
[09:54] <Re|ent|ess> Yep
[09:54] <zials> mhmm... well, if you liked what you saw and want to install it, then you can always burn the alternate cd
[09:55] <Re|ent|ess> i can do what?
[09:56] <zials> you can download and burn the alternate CD
[09:57] <hyper_ch> the alternate cd is normally better at installing the OS
[10:01] <Re|ent|ess> cna i order the alturnate CD?
[10:04] <zials> you can, or simply download it, it should be at the same place you got the iso for your current CD
[10:34] <Maybelline> Anyone know if the RT2500 drivers are being worked on for Gutsy?
[10:36] <maxamillion> Maybelline: what's the RT2500 driver?
[10:36] <Maybelline> for wireless cards
[10:37] <Maybelline> works (without Network Manager) in Feisty, but it's broken in Gutsy
[10:38] <gnomefreak> Maybelline: they are/were being worked on for gutsy
[10:39] <Maybelline> gnomefreak: Cool.  All I can find are bug reports -- no mention of anyone working on it.
[11:05] <Lizard_> hello
[11:06] <Lizard_> i have some problem with my xubuntu and xfce. I want change my gtk theme but when I try do it i have bug: gtk-theme-switch2: Sorry, "/home/user/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" does not appear to be a valid theme directory or tarball!
[11:06] <Lizard_> . I use gtk-theme-switch2. What i can do?
[11:16] <Lizard_> !!!
[11:16] <Lizard_> someone is here?
[12:16] <judgen> where in gnome did i change the metacity settings?