[01:30] <moquist> ogra: ping?
[07:27] <LaserJock> moquist: still around?
[08:12] <moquist> LaserJock: yep
[08:12] <moquist> LaserJock: sentcha mail
[08:13] <LaserJock> yeah, I got it
[08:14] <moquist> k
[08:15] <moquist> I'm going to work out now, so I"ll be off for ~30 min
[08:15] <moquist> but I'll check back here
[06:22] <edunewbie> can someone help me troubleshoot my internet connection on a new install?
[06:22] <juliux> !meta
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[06:23] <juliux> !ask
[06:23] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:23] <juliux> ;)
[06:27] <edunewbie> New ethernet wire, but I know it works from testing with another computer.  Firefox won't connect.  The ethernet option won't let me configure and the loopback option doesn't seem to work.  It seems to be an IP problem, but don't know how to resolve.
[07:35] <LaserJock> ogra: around?
[07:37] <ogra> LaserJock, with half an eye
[07:43] <LaserJock> ogra: I just had a chat with cjwatson
[07:44] <LaserJock> he suggests making an edubuntu-app-install-data package with all our g-a-i stuff
[07:44] <ogra> ok
[07:44] <LaserJock> because otherwise we need to be messing around with debian-cd every time we need a change
[07:52] <LaserJock> ogra: is today's meeting supposed to be a EC meeting?
[07:56] <ogra> ah, crap, yes it was ...
[07:56] <ogra> thanks for the reminder :)
[08:03] <edistar> hey... is there a graphical tool to configure ldap authentification for the clients?
[09:28] <edistar> someone here?
[09:29] <RichEd-1> edistar: yep
[09:29] <edistar> how can I allow restricted users to open the student-control-panel?
[09:30] <edistar> cause I want to restict the teachers too, but they still have to be able to control the students ;)
[09:31] <ogra> man sudoers :)
[09:32] <RichEd> edistar: I'm not sure I can answer that ... will do a quick search for you ... give me a minure
[09:32] <RichEd> *minute
[09:32] <ogra> add them to a special group and allo that grup to execute student-control-panel only
[09:32] <RichEd> ogra should be able to help ... he'll be around in 30 mins or so for the meeting <- had that ready in my entry
[09:32] <RichEd> :) thanks ollie
[09:32] <ogra> :)
[09:33] <ogra> for ldap management ave a look at "lat" or "gq"
[09:33] <ogra> *have
[09:51] <edistar> ogra: I added a teacher group and set the /etc/sudoers to allow /usr/bin/student-control-panel
[09:51] <edistar> but it had a lot of gtk errors and failed to start
[09:51] <RichEd> [09:53] <ogra> edistar, which release is that?
[09:56] <edistar> ogra: feisty
[09:57] <edistar> ogra: student-control-panel doesn't work either..
[09:57] <edistar> it needs x11vnc but I have installed that already
[09:58] <ogra> did you read that ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
[09:59] <ogra> x11vnc needs to be installed in the client environment
[09:59] <ogra> not on the server
[10:00] <edistar> ogra: how do I do that?
[10:00] <edistar> oh, thanks
[10:00] <edistar> !!
[10:00] <ogra> ;)
[10:02] <edistar> ogra: apt-get install x11vnc
[10:02] <edistar> that doesn't work
[10:02] <edistar> it can't find anything
[10:03] <ogra> you need universe enabled ...
[10:03] <edistar> how?
[10:03] <edistar> in the chroot?
[10:03] <ogra> easiest is to copy /etc/apt/sources.list from the server to the chroot
[10:03] <ogra> and run apt-get update
[10:03] <ogra> (in the chroot)
[10:03] <edistar> okey
[10:05] <edistar> looks good
[10:09] <edistar> ldap managment is lat or gq?
[10:16] <edistar> ogra: but it's very very buggy!
[10:16] <edistar> keeps telling me it can't connect..
[10:20] <edistar> ogra: in between it works sometimes
[10:21] <edistar> can anyone help?
[10:24] <edistar> it really doesn't work very well..
[10:30] <RichEd> edistar: we're in the edubuntu meeting ... that's why ogra is busy and not here ...
[10:30] <ogra> edistar, how many clients do you try to display there ?
[10:30] <ogra> (simultaneously)
[10:31] <edistar> ogra: one!
[10:31] <edistar> it doesn't work, really it doesn't :(
[10:31] <edistar> I locked one and then unlocked.. it didn't want to unlock anymore, just a black screen
[10:32] <ogra> weird
[10:32] <edistar> secondly...: it gives a warning at the boot that it is running x11vnc without a password.. I thought it generated one!
[10:33] <ogra> no, it doesnt yet, thats the reason we dont install it by default
[10:33] <ogra> (the vnc stuff)
[10:34] <edistar> ogra: now it works again..
[10:35] <edistar> sometimes it just stops working
[10:35] <ogra> you can tr to set different options for the X11vnc call in the rc script ...
[10:35] <ogra> i.e. restrict the size of the vnc windows .... switch on compression ...
[10:36] <edistar> nice
[10:36] <edistar> is if it is stable it is good...
[10:36] <edistar> will it be better in gutsy?
[10:37] <ogra> http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/x11vnc_opts.html
[10:37] <edistar> okey
[10:38] <edistar> is there a gutsy testing version yet?
[10:38] <ogra> i havent had time to get to ThinClientManager yet (thats how we call it nowadays), cant promise anything ... and cbx33 the former maintainer doesnt work on it anymore it seems
[10:38] <edistar> hm
[10:39] <edistar> will anyone else do that in the future?
[10:46] <ogra> well, in the end its me ... but i also build edubuntu, maintain and code ltsp upstream and in ubuntu and care for a ton of other stuff ...
[10:47] <ogra> so thats not my highest priority
[10:50] <edistar> ogra: that's a shame, cause that is a main point for the IT teachers at school to decide for edubuntu or windows stuff..
[10:50] <ogra> i know
[10:51] <ogra> but an installable system and a not craching desktop are important as well :)
[10:51] <ogra> there are many areas to take care of
[10:51] <ogra> management apps are only one small piece of the pie
[10:52] <ogra> and indeed any contribution is appreciated ;)
[10:52] <edistar> ogra: very true :)
[10:53] <edistar> ogra: which language is it?
[10:53] <ogra> depends what piece you mean :)
[10:53] <ogra> thin client manager ?
[10:53] <ogra> thats python and pygtk
[10:54] <edistar> okey.. is that hard? :P
[10:54] <edistar> well.. I want to learn to program properly anyway and need some motivation ;)
[10:56] <edistar> hm?
[11:04] <edistar> ogra: I just asked..
[11:22] <LaserJock> night ogra
[11:22] <LaserJock> I'll probably upload edubuntu-docs while you are asleep
[11:22] <ogra> cool
[11:23] <LaserJock> hopefully I have app-install-data-edubuntu and some metapackages soon for you too look at
[11:23] <ogra> i'll drop in the new X detection code tomorrow
[11:23] <LaserJock> coolio
[11:23] <ogra> it was so much fun, i just couldnt stop the whole day
[11:23] <ogra> (i didnt even plan to do that today ... it jumped on me)
[11:24] <LaserJock> heh
[11:25] <ogra> but i learned a lot new sed commands :)
[11:27] <LaserJock> cool