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[06:32] Hello Hobbsee [06:32] :) [06:33] You missed me thumping one of your favorite MOTUs for a screwed up merge. The good news is once thumped he came up with a patch. [06:35] who was it? [06:35] LongPointyStick: still exists, anyway [06:38] wasn't me! [06:38] heh === giangy_ is now known as giangy [06:55] anyone got any patches for kdelibs? === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F73FFC.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.45.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fritsch [i=wMVxIZJ6@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:07] <_StefanS_> moin === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:12] hiya! [09:12] _StefanS_: going to be at the meeting? [09:12] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: yes, I just have to figure what local it is [09:12] <_StefanS_> local time [09:13] cool :) === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:7fff:ad1e:de45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: whats that utc time converter called? [09:20] _StefanS_: timeanddate.com [09:21] _StefanS_: or @schedule [09:21] @schedule sydney [09:21] Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 05 Jul 00:00: Kubuntu Developers | 05 Jul 06:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 06:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 01:00: Kernel Team | 11 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team [09:23] <_StefanS_> @schedule copenhagen [09:23] Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 04 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu Developers | 04 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 05 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Jul 17:00: Kernel Team | 11 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team [09:25] there you go :) [09:26] hrm, this is looking awfully like a hobbsee-meeting. [09:44] et moi [09:44] Hobbsee: can you text me 10 mins before so I don't forget? jriddell.org/contact.html [09:44] Riddell: sure :) [09:45] Riddell: er, do i need acountry code based on that? [09:45] Riddell: or is it just +07.... [09:45] <_StefanS_> how long is the meeting today? an hour or so? [09:45] _StefanS_: should be. [09:45] _StefanS_: might be shorter, looking at that [09:46] <_StefanS_> uhm ok, I probably only be in for 30mins or so [09:47] <_marseillais> @schedule paris [09:47] Schedule for Europe/Paris: 04 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu Developers | 04 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 05 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Jul 17:00: Kernel Team | 11 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team [09:47] <_marseillais> hi [09:47] hiya [09:48] Riddell: oh, replace 0 with +44. and this already seems to be in my phone. cool === Hobbsee isnt used to texting/calling people overseas yet [09:49] although i've learnt to give out mine with the +61 in front, now === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [i=jpetso@conference/kde/aKademy/x-53e04dc46fd5695a] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5e7:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [i=jpetso@conference/kde/aKademy/x-3c021afac9c7bea8] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:32] Riddell: is there any reason kds depends on xterm now ? I thik that was for the package installer/service menu right ? [11:32] Riddell: then we can get rid of it I guess [11:32] Tonio_: that can go then [11:35] Riddell: yup [11:35] Riddell: I'll do it today, I'm on my contrib day so let's go !! [11:35] Riddell: I'll also prepare a MIR for kdebluetooth, needs a new builddep in universe [11:45] ok [11:55] Riddell: isn't a -dev package always supposed to depend on the associated lib ? I think there is an issue with the obewftp lib [11:55] yes, it should [11:56] Riddell: okay so that looks wrong.... can you just give me your opinion reguarding to this one : [11:56] Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/146 [11:57] Riddell: this is the control file.... pretty important since this one is the one requiring a MIR [11:57] Tonio_: is that complete, where is libopenobex1-dev? [11:59] Riddell: it is another lib/tarball [11:59] Riddell: in my opinion the first package should be renamed to libxxx and then the -dev should depend on it [11:59] btw I don't understand why is the other -dev added manually, that's ldh_shlibsdeps work.... [12:00] so what's in libobexftp-dev? [12:00] how is it different from libopenobex1-dev? [12:00] Riddell: don't know exactly, that's the funny thing..... === vprints [i=laur@conference/kde/aKademy/x-6ad001d8ee94105b] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] Riddell: I have to investigate, but I guess a MIR won't be accepted if we don't repackage this one ;) [12:18] Riddell: I've lost my kubuntu-meta tree, can you remind me of the sftp address for bzr ? or the project it is attached to on launchpad ? [12:20] Riddell: nevermind, just found it ;) === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.63.51] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:11] Riddell: hope it's all going well up there. I've just done a ML admin run, looks like we have both been too busy recently to do it :) === Stecchino [i=bart@conference/kde/aKademy/x-a6465acc2d70df34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F0D64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] fdoving: the kio umountwrapper mir was not added to the queue page......... therefore couldn't be released [01:37] fdoving: just done it [01:41] Tonio_: svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kdebluetooth/trunk/ + patch with KDE svn fixes. [01:44] allee: super :) [01:44] allee wanted to talk with you about this ) [01:44] allee testing this now [01:45] allee should we update with a patch or merghe the patch and release a svn snapshot ? === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DBD4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:47] Tonio_: the KDE fixes are in via patch. I've checked right now and the only 'remove configure &services' and a minor fix [01:47] are added in svn [01:47] allee so maybe we should just package from svn then no ? [01:48] Tonio_: dgollub told me that he will (try to) work on kdebluetooth again this week. I've perstered with some bugs already [01:48] great news [01:48] Tonio_: everytime a new (unofficial) tarball is not worth the trouble. todays fixes patch would be: [01:48] allee in fact my plan was to get the package in and get people involved in fixing issues by kubuntu-devel ML [01:48] (0) ~/src/kdebluetooth/svn $ less svn.diff | wc -l [01:48] 71 === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:49] allee so ? [01:49] Tonio_: before upload try if you can pair a mouse. Did crash for me (feisty and gutsy) [01:50] allee I won't upload today we need to get a lib to main before [01:50] allee btw what kind of thing would you suggest ? [01:50] Tonio_: which lib? [01:51] allee:libobexftp-dev === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-028-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:51] Tonio_: wait one or two weeks and see what dgollub can fix in the meantime. All bugs listed in debian/changelog are known to him and on his list to fix [01:51] allee so let's wait a bit, prepare packages and hope it's going on the good way [01:51] allee in the meantime, get the lib in main, and decide what to do in 2 weeks, right ? [01:52] alleeI'll also try to get kmobiletools packaged for gutsy [01:52] Tonio_: right. As is kdebluetooth is promising but to crash (at least for me) [01:52] allee true [01:52] allee btw getting the package in gutsy and pushing people to help is a good way to get patches quickly [01:53] Tonio_: where's you pkg? I can merge into alioth tonight [01:53] allee hum, no need of this, it is almost identical to the alioth one [01:53] allee in fact I used the alioth base to package :) [01:54] just for local test [01:54] Tonio_: tata :) [01:54] allee hehe ;) === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meven [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-148-2.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis_ [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] haggai: oh, what was needing done? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee pokles the topic [02:50] Hobbsee: e-mail kubuntu-devel about the meeting [02:50] please [02:50] Riddell, Hobbsee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kalsamix?content=56840&PHPSESSID=f47e325a832a5f5988cfa81129270d42 [02:50] Riddell: said to be much better than kmix..... deserves a try I'd say [02:51] Riddell: have done so before, but will do again [02:51] better in which way? [02:51] Riddell: UI looks like "human readable" ;) [02:51] Riddell: kmix is a nightmare to understand reguarding to the record, line in part [02:52] Riddell: I'm packaging ktorrent stable released yesterday [02:52] Riddell: and then give a ry at that alsamix [02:54] Hobbsee: I'm sorry for this, but I think I'd like to rediscuss the /media VS media:/ in the meeting :) === Hobbsee comes back, with dinner [02:54] Hobbsee: is that of any problem ? [02:55] Tonio_: please do. please do. [02:55] Tonio_: i was going to add it to the agenda, but i forgot. [02:55] oki ;) [02:55] Hobbsee: we are coming close to LTS quality, and those patches are not maintain, not even mature.... [02:55] either those patches get pulled, or they get fixed, and i want a commitment on who's going to do them, and when by, as anything else doesnt seem to work. === Hobbsee takes her release manager's hat off again [02:56] Hobbsee: I'd just say "drop them" :) that's my opinion ;) [02:57] Tonio_: that's what i'm leaning for - but hey, if someone's going to fix them, and actually get them fixed, and they work better than teh default, then i wont say no to that either [02:57] Hobbsee: some part of this cannot be fixed anyway [02:57] true [02:57] Hobbsee: just go in /media and look [02:57] you have a "cdrom0" folder [02:58] always there, despite there is or not a cd [02:58] same with floppy etc.... [02:58] Hobbsee: no way to see the devices like hard drives, and the list of those issues is long [02:58] right, yeah [02:59] and btw, use or mandriva users don't seem to really, really be bored by the fact very rare gtk apps fail to use the media:/ protocol.... [02:59] Hobbsee: they have problems with gimp ? USE KRITA ! [02:59] ^^ [03:00] Tonio_: heh, yes [03:00] Tonio_: i dont think too highly of that kalsamix, tbh - doesnt look very shiny, etc - and you've still got to know the difference between the recording and listening section [03:01] Hobbsee: just building this, I'll let you know my feeling :) [03:01] :) [03:02] Hobbsee: did you play with dolphin ? [03:02] yeah! [03:02] it's really nice! [03:02] Hobbsee: there is one thiing I really, really miss in it, is the effects while opening a folder [03:02] Tonio_: i also dumped a thread on the forums asking which people preferred [03:02] ah yes [03:02] Hobbsee: I have to package dolphin 0.9 and provide a default config in kds for this [03:03] Hobbsee: also we still have a big limitation with dolphin : ark support [03:03] Hobbsee: we have to write a servicemenu for this [03:03] ah right === xerosis_ [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] the problem with servicemenus is that they are fixed.... no way to get the options dynamically added depending what you have installed on the machine [03:04] so do we add "rar" support for example or not ? [03:04] that's a big problem [03:05] Hobbsee: and last thing, how do we easilly switch the default from konqueror to dolphin [03:05] Hobbsee: I think that require a bit of coding for the defualt applications chooser kcm module [03:05] Tonio_: i have no idea. it's not in system settings, it seems [03:05] Hobbsee: that's what I meant :) [03:05] Tonio_: what do you do for a web browser though? [03:05] Hobbsee: well tehnically, what's to be done is simple change the mimetype association : inode/directory from konqueror to dolphin :) [03:06] ah, point, yes [03:06] Hobbsee: but we need to let people do hat graphically [03:06] Hobbsee: I wouldn't probably let dolphin by default on gutsy, maybe gutsy+1 [03:06] so that people would get used to it for gutsy+2/kde4 [03:06] i hear that kde3 dolphin is far worse than 4 [03:07] Hobbsee: it is [03:07] Hobbsee: btw, I've been able to grab a part of the dolphin/kde4 code and use it in kde3 :) [03:07] Hobbsee: also there is d3lphin [03:07] ahhh [03:07] Hobbsee: dolphin fork to add missing kde4 features [03:08] Hobbsee: we'll probably use this one soon [03:08] ahhh [03:08] Hobbsee: as soon I get the key of the stupid naming issue [03:08] :) [03:09] Hobbsee: okay kaslamix isn't that genius..... let's forget this and focus on d3lphin === cynics [n=cynics@123.116.98.249] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] Tonio_: found you upload scim, actrually scim-setup entry is not the same as skim [03:19] cynics: hum, you mean ? [03:19] Tonio_: some one may choose use scim under kubuntu [03:20] Tonio_: we'd better keep it [03:20] cynics: the -setup thing is for gtk [03:20] cynics: I didn't remove it, just hide the kmenu entry [03:20] scim-setup still works [03:20] I mean the command line thing [03:21] Tonio_: yes, but if some one want to use scim, but not skim, he may not find it [03:21] cynics: did you see what I removed ? [03:21] cynics: I just hide the gtk-config tool entry from the kmenu [03:21] cli dosen't suite for everyone [03:21] Tonio_: I see, it will be hiden under KDE [03:22] cynics: yeah, but corrupting the kmenu suits to everyone [03:22] ;) [03:22] btw this desktop file is tagged for gnome menu, so it creates a new "config" submenu in kmenu, which is useless [03:23] cynics: btw, people using scim and explicitly wanting to tweak gtk on a kde desktop are rare :) [03:23] cynics: should we install the gnome-system-tools then ? :) [03:24] Tonio_: because you seldom use scim, so you will not know many guy will choose scim under KDE [03:26] cynics: what would you suggest then ? [03:27] get the kmenu crap for everyone because some people, for a very specific need, want to use a software that is not designed for their desktop ? [03:27] cynics: the problem is that we have to make choices bu default [03:27] cynics: I'm not hiding scim, just the gtk-setup thing [03:27] and I'm sorry, people using kde are not supposed to tweak their gtk-settings [03:28] Tonio_: on that ntoe, do we want to include a patch to amarok so that gnome users can use the global key settings? [03:28] cynics: if the tool would do something else, I'd not remove it, but it is just to configure gtk [03:28] Hobbsee: whic patch is that ? [03:28] Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/94272 [03:28] Launchpad bug 94272 in amarok "Global shortcuts not working" [Undecided,New] [03:29] Hobbsee: sure [03:29] Hobbsee: btw amarokapp: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: version `CURL_GNUTLS_4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libtunepimp.so.5) [03:30] Tonio_: known [03:30] Hobbsee: maybe we should just let amarok work and then consider fixing bugs :) [03:30] Hobbsee: is someone working on this [03:30] ? [03:30] Tonio_: it's libtunepimp and such. it's being fixed. [03:30] yes [03:30] kool [03:34] good afternoon [03:34] hiya mhb [03:34] hello mhb ;) [03:36] hey mhb [03:36] we don't have many things to discuss at the meeting, do we? [03:36] mhb: no. feel free to add [03:36] Tonio_: it dosen't configure gtk, just a gtk fronted of scim for set up [03:42] cynics: are we talking about scim-setup ? [03:43] cynics: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture13.png === Hobbsee so sleepy... === Hobbsee falls asleep on Tonio_'s shoulder. [03:43] Hobbsee: hehe :) [03:44] Tonio_: good thing i didtn quite do that on the bus trip back :P [03:44] cynics: unless I missunderstand how the tool works.... [03:45] cynics: that talks about toolbar to display etc..... is that supposed to work in kde-apps too ? === Lure_ is now known as Lure [03:46] hi Lure [03:46] Hobbsee: fancy testing dolphon 0.9 ? ;) [03:46] Tonio_: got a deb? [03:47] yup [03:47] cynics: can you explain me how this tool works, because afaicr, that's to tweak settings for gtk/gnome windows.... [03:48] Tonio_: sure it can work under any kde [03:48] cynics: okay so how to get it to work ? [03:48] cynics: just so that I understand it ;) [03:48] Tonio_: it just configure scim it self [03:49] Tonio_: not any other gtk/gnome apps [03:49] cynics: how to ? [03:49] Tonio_: just run it, and then restart scim, its configure will work [03:50] cynics: /usr/lib/scim-1.0/scim-panel-gtk: error while loading shared libraries: libscim-gtkutils-1.0.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [03:50] cynics: that's what happens when I start "scim" [03:50] cynics: that's because we miss dependancies [03:51] hi Tonio_ [03:51] okay, need coke. === Hobbsee ponders the idea of coke at midnight [03:51] cynics: which makes sense on a kde desktop, not to have the all gtk in it [03:51] hiya Lure! [03:51] cynics: that's my problem with it [03:51] hi Hobbsee - how is release mgmt going? [03:51] cynics: it won't work by default, and corrupts the kmenu [03:51] Tonio_: its a dependency issue [03:51] Lure: it's good! i think it's fun. everyone else thinks i'm insane. [03:52] Lure: it's a pity i dont have DC access at this point, though [03:52] cynics: yep, but having 2 scim tools installed/available by default will make it complicated the task for a user [03:52] Hobbsee: because they do not have pointy stick, so it is much harder for them ;-) [03:52] haha [03:52] cynics: is there a good reason someone would want to use scim and not skim ? === Hobbsee doesnt have to use the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! most of the time === jpetso [i=jpetso@conference/kde/aKademy/x-9b5b87b6c5b883db] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:53] Hobbsee: just knowing that you have one is enough for me ;-) [03:53] lol [03:53] Tonio_: the best way is hope the scim-1.6 can be released before gutsy released [03:53] Hobbsee: there is meeting soon, right? [03:53] Lure: yep. 7 mins. [03:54] Lure: and i just have to stay awake for it... === xerosis_ forgot it was UTC [03:54] cynics: in the ideal situation, I'd say that scim shoudn't be installed by default, but it is as skim depends on it === Lure is still at work, so not sure if I will be able to participate fully [03:55] cynics: so what would you suggest to have a kmenu clean, no duplication, and so that people that want to use scim can do it easilly ? [03:55] cynics: in my opinion, for the very rare people that want to use scim and not skim, using one command line once just to configure it is acceptable === xerosis_ is now known as xerosis [03:55] cynics: or at least better that having a crap kmenu for everyone, addd to duplication [03:56] Tonio_: actrually many guy woll use scim under kubuntu [03:56] cynics: I'm ready to any proposal if you have a better idea... [03:56] cynics: yes but 99% of kubuntu users don't [03:56] cynics: and the scim thing goes in a stupid section of the kmenu [03:56] that's my problem with it.... [03:56] cynics: as it is a gnome based tool it goes in a "configuration" section that doesn't exist in the kde world [03:58] ** meeting in 5 minutes [03:58] cynics: the solution would be to patch kdelibs to force scim-setup to go under system, but then it'll be horribly confusing for newbies because they would have 2 tools doing the same thing in the same kde section [03:58] Riddell: what would be your option on that point ? [03:58] Riddell: attempting to stay awake here... [03:58] :) [03:59] Riddell: just a load of unanswered admin reqs & messages [03:59] hi haggai [03:59] haggai: thanks [03:59] Hobbsee: hiya [04:00] Riddell: no probs, it's the least I can do [04:01] cynics: there is indeed another option, but that's quite complicated [04:01] cynics: how about splitting the scim package, so that everything skim needs to work is in a scim-base package [04:01] kwwii: #ubuntu-meeting if you want [04:01] then we don't have scim installed be default, so the people that want to use scim just have to install it and can now see it i nthe kmenu ? [04:01] Tonio_: we can not split scim more now, for libscim will depends on some gtk stuffs [04:02] cynics: wouldn't tht make sense ? [04:02] --> meeting [04:02] Tonio_: yes [04:02] libscim depends on gtk stuff ? damn.... === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:02] cynics: I'm ready to find better solution with you after the meeting right ? :) [04:03] Tonio_: okey [04:03] cynics: but I hope you understand that we don't want a crappy kmenu ot of the box for 100% of the users, when 0.1% of them would need and want scim in the first place [04:03] Tonio_: me too === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [04:07] seele: about? [04:11] come to think of it...i should have probably announced the tribe 3 thing somewhere else apart from the kubuntu meeting first [04:11] oh well === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E831.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:20] Hobbsee: :) [04:21] Riddell: :P [04:21] Riddell: like, maybe to -release first or something [04:21] Hobbsee: kubuntu is more important than -release :) [04:22] Riddell: heh [04:22] Riddell: there's wider plans than that, but they are staying secret === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-49-185.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:42] Riddell: eh? [04:43] oooh.. "[are you out and] about?" [04:43] seele: oh hi, we're having a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now, if you want to go for kubuntu membership (means you can get your blog on planet.ubuntu) do join in [04:43] ok.. === Jucato waves to seele :) === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:56] seele: excuse me. I've been reading your KDE 4 HIG documents. I'm wondering if the 3 remaining Follow-up Work items have been finished? :) [05:15] <_marseillais> who is maintainer of kubuntu-restricted metapackages? sorry i've no kubuntu at work. === manchicken [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:16] _marseillais: Hobbsee [05:16] Finally. [05:16] Stupid network connection went down yesterday. [05:17] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, could think about adding libtunepimp5-mp3 to this metapackage? [05:17] _marseillais: what for? [05:17] libtunepimp5 is already there [05:17] <_marseillais> it's needed by amarok if you want to auto tag mp3 file with internet [05:18] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, of course but it doesn't work for mp3 and amarok need it to update tag [05:18] _marseillais: ah right. can you file a bug on it and assign it to me? === Hobbsee doesnt really want to do it tonight [05:19] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, no problems i mark it on my todo list for this evening when i come back home [05:19] :) === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [05:21] Riddell: sorry for not responding, I had to leave for a minute [05:23] abattoir: pokey [05:26] Hobbsee: it is your fault I didn't know about today's meeting :) [05:26] nixternal: you didnt read your email, then. [05:26] but it was added to the topic late, yes. [05:26] mhb: hi! [05:26] hehe [05:26] Hobbsee, nixternal too :) [05:27] howdy abattoir [05:27] somebody turned the heat on today...but I am staying green! [05:27] thank god for the pool in the back yard [05:27] Hobbsee: there will be an uprising against the stick of doom if you keep posting late announcements :o) [05:28] it wasnt so late! === Hobbsee just hates posting to mailing list [05:28] s === vlo [n=valentin@lsa1pc7.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] Hobbsee: I am sorry, but we have to punish you ... with the only torture instrument we have available - minutes [05:35] The bcm43xx driver works beautifully... until it's time for backups to run. [05:35] mhb: now you be careful, else i'll voluntell you to do the next lot [05:35] Hobbsee: I did the last one, remember? [05:35] As soon as that fat gzip process fires off, bcm43xx goes retarded. [05:35] and? [05:36] Riddell: Kubuntu turning KDE into an operating system - I am guessing this one is you? :) [05:36] Hobbsee: well, are we the only two to do the minutes? :o) [05:36] manchicken: bcm43xx makes my wifi would out of the box now, however it isn't working to well just yet [05:36] I am still using NdisWrapper [05:36] mhb: probably [05:36] nixternal: It works, sure. I'm using it right now. [05:37] dont remember, ,tbh, especially not at htis time of night [05:37] But it is flakey with processor-heavy loads. [05:37] manchicken: Napverille Ribfest is the bomb this year. Saturday had George Thorogood, lastnight was Heart, and tonight is the Marshall Tucker Band [05:37] Nice. [05:37] They had George Clinton at the taste a few years ago. [05:37] great ribs, all kinds of local microbrews [05:37] I saw him. Man... what a disappointment that show was. [05:38] haha, I was there for GC at the Taste [05:38] manchicken: please fix adept, kthxbye :) [05:38] that was the last time I went...to many people for me [05:38] haha Hobbsee [05:38] manchicken: do you want some help with bug triage for that? [05:38] Hobbsee: As soon as I get my wireless working better I will. [05:38] brb [05:38] Hobbsee: I'm working on the dpkg locks issue now. [05:38] manchicken: cool :) [05:38] Hobbsee: If you've got any high priority issues that haven't been triaged, then yes, that'd be quite nice :) [05:39] But first I need to get driverloader running again. [05:40] manchicken: okay, will try to look when i'm around, etc === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:42] Wow. linuxant's installer has gotten much more sophisticated. [05:44] I'm impressed. === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:44] Hobbsee: Would you please look at Bug #124013 and see if you think it needs anything else before I subscribe ubuntu-archive. [05:44] Launchpad bug 124013 in gnupg2 "Please promote gnupg-agent binary from Universe to Main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124013 [05:44] err Hobbsee_ even ^^ [05:46] zomg who put that shortcut there... [05:46] ctrl+q is far too close to ctrl+w [05:47] ScottK: looks fine [05:48] ScottK: does gnupg-agent need to be a dependancy of pinentry, incidently? === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-229-145.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:52] Hobbsee: Dunno and thanks. [05:52] otherwise it probably wont stay in main [05:53] ScottK: unless it's explicitly seeded that is [05:54] ScottK: well, is it possible to use pinentry without gnupg-agent? [05:54] hrmm, I can't watch Riddell's or sabdfl's talks, the video locks up and mplayer says I don't have the codec [05:54] I am a multimedia idiot obviously === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5e7:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchkn@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:54] nixternal: no you are not [05:54] ahh, Riddell's works, sabdfl's doesn't [05:54] Ah. [05:55] Hobbsee: We're going to make kmail depend on it. That'll keep it in Main. [05:55] nixternal: heh, actually, the Riddell's video refused to open in kaffeine here until I renamed it [05:55] ScottK: pinentry-qt, or gnupg-agent? [05:55] Both [05:55] hahaha, Riddell's talks starts out with the swimming pool pic and all you see is Hobbsee smiling! :) [05:55] can you use pinentry-qt without gnupg-agent [05:55] konvi and konqui do not like it when you switch network devices AT ALL. [05:55] nooooooo!!!! === Hobbsee beats Riddell [05:55] lol, yup === Hobbsee was so cold that day. === Hobbsee was seriously blue. [05:56] Riddell: wanted me to take a picture of him and sladen - i couldnt actually take the picture, as my hands had gone numb. [05:56] hwo did i become the kubuntu covergirl anyway? [05:57] lol [05:57] nixternal: i really *didnt* want to look like a drowned water rat, for a kde talk. [05:57] hahaha, the Kubuntu Covergirl! that rocks! [05:59] Maybe she was born with it. Maybe its Mabelene. === Hobbsee is so utterly and totally going to kill you both. [06:00] and Riddell [06:00] :P [06:00] Hobbsee: I'll look into pinentry and does it need gnupg-agent as a dep. [06:00] ScottK: cool [06:01] lol [06:01] Hobbsee: Can you change the Kubuntu seeds? [06:01] for those interested I just uploaded the latest dolphin [06:01] maybe its mabelene! manchicken that was classic right there...that was funny right dare, i dun car who u r [06:01] that'll be my big todo next week : make it work better [06:01] ScottK: yes [06:02] Hobbsee: I think it would be useful to go ahead and seed gnupg-agent then. [06:02] nixternal: "Lord, I apologize, and please bless the little pigmea's down there in new guinnea." [06:02]