[12:36] <jussi01> hmmm, I just did an update and got the following error: is it a bug? or fixable?
[12:36] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28406/
[12:44] <jussi01> gah, broken... very broken
[12:54] <jussi01> la de da... anyone actually around?
[12:56] <MugginsM> no
[12:56] <gnomefreak> is this a failed to overwrite file error?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> jussi01: you need to wait for kubuntu devels to fix it
[12:58] <jussi01> gnomefreak: Im back on feisty, but I think it was a pakaging error
[12:58] <jussi01> in kdm
[12:59] <gnomefreak> jussi01: it is
[12:59] <jussi01> :)
[12:59] <gnomefreak> jussi01: they are missing a build-dep in debina/control file
[12:59] <gnomefreak> grrrrrr
[12:59] <jussi01> gnomefreak: its a known bug?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> no
[12:59] <jussi01> heh
[12:59] <gnomefreak> not that i know of
[12:59] <jussi01> it should be quite simple to fix...
[12:59] <gnomefreak> it is
[01:00] <jussi01> like, change the control file...no?
[01:00] <jussi01> oh..
[01:00] <gnomefreak> yes for most part you have to rebuild and hope that you got i t right
[01:01] <jussi01> it just look to me as they have forgotten to put a < in...
[01:02] <jussi01> brb, gonna go back to gutsy
[01:40] <pimp31415> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: beryl-manager[28071] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[01:40] <pimp31415> current wierd thing among others
[01:40] <wfarr> pimp31415, that's a fairly common error in order to try and force devs to be strictly compliant with GLib/GObject
[01:40] <wfarr> the program will still run fine though
[01:44] <Pici> Its only a warning anyways.
[01:44] <Centaur5> Ever since I've upgraded to Gutsy my one of my cup cores has been maxed out and I get a constant duplicating message in any vterm saying "device mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed"
[01:46] <wfarr> oh hecks yes
[01:46] <wfarr> update everyone - more mesa updates just coming down the pipe =D
[01:47] <Centaur5> I have no idea what that bug would be related to so if someone can tell me what I should blame it on then I can file a report.
[03:04] <ShackJack> HI all - I see that spamassassin is running as a service... I don't see via email headers coming into T-bird that it's applying any filters... Is there something further I need to do to activate it, or is this a work in progress?
[03:07] <RAOF> As far as I'm aware, programs need to explicitly call sa before it works.  Also, the service is disabled by default, and needs to be enabled in /etc/default/spamassasin
[03:10] <ShackJack> RAOF: Ahh.. whoops didn't look in there yet. Was looking at my GUI services list and assume it was enabled because it was checked... But spamd is most certainly disabled... So enabling spamd in the current setup doesn't automatically scan incoming then (and affix its headers for further processing)?
[03:10] <RAOF> Um, maybe :)
[03:11] <ShackJack> RAOF: Well, I'll enabled spamd and see if anything gets added to incoming mail headers :) T-Bird 2 (maybe 1.5) has an option to always trust spamassassin, etc.. but not to explicitly enabled it...
[03:11] <RAOF> I base my statements on the existance of a "spamassassin" plugin for evolution :)
[03:16] <ShackJack> Just throwing it out there - any ATI (X1400) fglrx users having difficulty getting Compiz to run on gutsy... Mine was running on Feisty but for the life of me can't get it going on Gutsy (it's to be expected - but I miss my eye candy ;))
[03:16] <RAOF> It should work fine, I think
[03:17] <crdlb> error messages and specific behavior would be helpful :)
[03:17] <RAOF> You'll still have to use XGL, of course, but it should work
[03:17] <ShackJack> RAOF: Yep - doesn't for some reason -- XGL loads, I did that LD_PRELOAD thing some suggest, but trying to start via desktop-effects or manually via compiz --replace ccp  won't work...
[03:18] <RAOF> You may need to install dbus-x11
[03:19] <ShackJack> Just was asking generally, as error messages on another computer... Only thing usefull it says is DPMS s not supported, reverting to metacity...  RAOF - I think I might have that installed but will double check...
[03:41] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder if you can do anything at all with an S3 Savage.....
[03:42] <DanaG> By anything, I mean even 2D DRI.
[03:43] <starz> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl3_7.16.2-6ubuntu2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libcurl.so.4.0.0', which is also in package libcurl4
[03:43] <starz> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl3-gnutls_7.16.2-6ubuntu2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4.0.0', which is also in package libcurl4-gnutls
[03:43] <starz> very
[03:44] <starz> any clue what all that means ? DanaG ? anyone?
[03:47] <starz> gah
[03:48] <starz> anuyone else get broken packages on this last upgrade?
[03:49] <starz>  libcurl4: Depends: libcurl3 (= 7.16.2-6ubuntu2) but it is not installed //////// libcurl4-gnutls: Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (= 7.16.2-6ubuntu2) but it is not installed
[03:49] <starz> trying to install those now
[03:50] <starz> mm should have tried a -f install...
[03:50] <starz> is there a feature somewhere in synaptic to do one of those btw? would be useful for gui bound pplz
[03:51] <starz> noticed with beryl i dont have the option to send apps to other viewports
[03:52] <starz> they still have always visible on workspace thingie but meh we're not doing multiple workspaces its multiple viewports or so
[04:09] <hwilde> anybody got tcpd.h in deb format?
[04:11] <RAOF> "apt-file search tcpd.h" tells me that it's in libwrap0-dev
[04:14] <hwilde> RAOF, when I do that I cannot find anything.  is it only available in gutsy repos?
[04:14] <hwilde> also, "libwrap0 is already the newest version"
[04:15] <crdlb> !find tcpd.h feisty
[04:15] <ubotu> File tcpd.h found in libwrap0-dev
[04:15] <hwilde> ://
[04:15] <RAOF> No. this was on Feisty.  Of course, if you are not running Gutsy, this is the wrong channel :)
[04:16] <RAOF> hwilde: Have you run "sudo apt-file update"?
[04:17] <hwilde> I ran apt-get update; apt-get install libwrap0-dev;  libwrap0-dev is already the newest version.;  locate tcpd.h;  no results
[04:18] <crdlb> updatedb?
[04:18] <hwilde> ah dreaded updated
[04:18] <Pici> or use `find / | grep tcp.h`
[04:18] <hwilde> it takes forever to scan... can't apt-get install play nice
[04:18] <crdlb> you could use find if you prefer :P
[04:19] <crdlb> or even: dpkg -S tcpd.h
[04:20] <RAOF> Pici: Are you going for the "needless pipe award"?  'find / -name tcpd.h' :)
[04:21] <crdlb> UUOG!
[04:21] <RAOF> crdlb: :)
[04:22] <Pici> RAOF: Thats just the way I was shown to do it... its kinda silly now that I look at it.
[04:23] <RAOF> Pici: Yeah.  :)
[04:39] <hwilde> !find  gdk_imlib.h feisty
[04:39] <ubotu> File gdk_imlib.h found in gdk-imlib11-dev
[04:40] <hwilde> so how is ubotu's find better than apt-file ?
[04:43] <Mike2K> where the feck is ng?
[05:17] <xsacha> hi, is this known? libcurl4   BROKEN (installed)   no change      libcurl is designed to be solid, usable, reliable...
[05:18] <xsacha> Version: 7.16.2-6ubuntu2
[06:12] <wfarr> xsacha, it repaired itself on my end with "sudo apt-get -f install"
[06:13] <xsacha> mm mine not repaired, but i fixed issues i was getting by installing libcurl3
[06:21] <DanaG> It doesn't take Gutsy for things to be broken -- going from Dapper to Edgy and then Feisty on some old laptop, I got severe brokenness.
[06:21] <DanaG> I ended up having to purge everything upstream of gconf and libgnome2.
[06:21] <DanaG> I wish there were a "Purge everything, all the way up!" option in dependency handling.
[06:21] <RAOF> ;:)
[07:58] <dawn`chorus> not sure if I should file a bug for debian-installer.  three downloads, about five CD's, all verified, all fail to install packages on an x86 intel system.
[08:02] <Hobbsee> dawn`chorus: daily cd?  or a tribe?
[08:03] <dawn`chorus> Hobbsee, tribe twice.  daily once.
[08:03] <dawn`chorus> same result.
[08:05] <Hobbsee> what packages did it fail to install?
[08:06] <dawn`chorus> It's the entire step "select and install packages" that fails.
[08:12] <dawn`chorus> i'll just wait 'til the next tribe.  :)
[08:17] <Hobbsee> dawn`chorus: it'd probably be useufl if you could get some more info than that, but fair enough
[08:17] <Hobbsee> be sure to test out the cds for the next tribe
[08:17] <dawn`chorus> Hobbsee, i'm mounting the drive to see if a /var/log/installer was produced.
[08:18] <Hobbsee> cool
[08:18] <Hobbsee> you may need to run it under debug mode to get that
[08:18] <dawn`chorus> naw, it wasn't produced.  ok.  debug mode.  and how can I get what displays on alt-f4 to save to a file?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> on alt-f4?
[08:20] <dawn`chorus> during the install i noticed that alt-f4 displays system messages, or something ...
[08:20] <dawn`chorus> sorry i'm not being clear.  i'm still new to linux.
[08:24] <Hobbsee> alt+f4 usually closes the window, i thought...
[08:32] <Dana1> ctrl-alt F4 is switch TTY,
[08:32] <Dana1> but if you're already not in X, all you need is alt.
[08:32] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[09:55] <mikkael> someone else having problems with amarok since yesterday's updates ?
[09:56] <mikkael> "amarokapp: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: version `CURL_GNUTLS_4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libtunepimp.so.5)"
[10:04] <crimsun> bah.
[10:05] <MugginsM> gusty broke my nginx
[10:05] <MugginsM> err, gusty, gutsy
[10:06] <MugginsM> is there a dpkg option to make it not try and run pre and post scripts?
[10:21] <corevette> join #ubuntu
[10:52] <gnomefreak> cairo issues as well its been a few weekes max
[11:55] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[12:10] <sn0> heya MacSlow
[01:57] <Dannilion> is anyone else having problems with Amarok before I submit a bug report?
[01:58] <coNP> Dannilion: you mean "amarokapp: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: version `CURL_GNUTLS_4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libtunepimp.so.5)"
[01:58] <Dannilion> yes
[01:59] <Dannilion> okay
[01:59] <Dannilion> will you confirm once I do?
[01:59] <coNP> actually I do a dist-upgrade now
[01:59] <coNP> and then try to pbuild amarok
[01:59] <coNP> I will confirm it, as well if (still) needed
[02:00] <Dannilion> okay, I will try another update before I submit it- if there's no improvement I will submit it
[02:00] <coNP> I guess it is still a valid bug
[02:01] <Dannilion> if it's fixed by an update, I won't bother, but if it's not, I will :p
[02:01] <coNP> it is not
[02:01] <Dannilion> okay, I will file it now then
[02:01] <coNP> cool, write the bug # once reported, and I'll confirm it
[02:02] <Dannilion> will do
[02:02] <Dannilion> if launchpad stops timing out, anyway ;)
[02:02] <eagles0513875> Dannilion: what problem u having
[02:03] <coNP> amarok does not bother starting up
[02:03] <eagles0513875> im not having any problems with amarok
[02:03] <eagles0513875> did he do a clean install
[02:03] <Dannilion> amarok won't start- has the error coNP posted a second ago
[02:03] <Dannilion> I did a clean install- it stopped working after an update yesterday
[02:03] <eagles0513875> cuz i did a complete dist-upgrade and there was a huge bug in that
[02:03] <eagles0513875> how bout uninstalling it and the compiling it from source and see if u have a problem with that too
[02:04] <Dannilion>  libtunepimp5: Depends: libcurl4-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1) but it is not installable
[02:04] <Dannilion> that's an error with the upgrade
[02:04] <Dannilion> I think that's the problem
[02:04] <coNP> it it at least a packaging error
[02:04] <Dannilion> yes
[02:04] <coNP> either in amarok or in libtunepimp
[02:05] <eagles0513875> coNP: would installing from souce fix anything
[02:05] <coNP> now pbuilding amarok
[02:05] <eagles0513875> wait dan what version of kde r u using
[02:05] <eagles0513875> and what version of amarok
[02:05] <Dannilion> 3.5.7
[02:05] <eagles0513875> version of amarok 1.4.6
[02:06] <Dannilion> 1.4.6
[02:06] <eagles0513875> interesting
[02:06] <eagles0513875> dan have u tried asking in the #amarok channel
[02:06] <Dannilion> Not yet
[02:06] <Dannilion> It's a gutsy problem- the update told me so
[02:07] <Dannilion> ahh, upgrade did fix it (or rather downgrade did)
[02:08] <Dannilion> coNP want to do the bug report? I can't file it now Amarok is working again
[02:09] <coNP> Dannilion: what down / upgrade?
[02:10] <Dannilion> Downgrade the following packages:
[02:10] <Dannilion> libcurl4-gnutls [7.16.2-6ubuntu3 (gutsy, now) -> 7.16.2-4ubuntu1 (gutsy)] 
[02:10] <Dannilion> Score is 21
[02:11] <Dannilion> yeah, I just won't upgrade that package again for a few days
[02:14] <eagles0513875> y did u download that for me i just downloaded some upgraded pkgs and that pkg was held back
[02:14] <Dannilion> it wasn't held back a couple of days ago
[02:15] <Dannilion> I must have just had bad luck with upgrade timing
[02:23] <eagles0513875> coNP: u want to know a bad bug i found after i did a complete dist upgrade from feisty to gutsy
[02:23] <eagles0513875> a really nasty bug lol
[02:23] <coNP> maybe :)
[02:26] <eagles0513875> after i did the distupgrade and restarted my computer
[02:26] <eagles0513875> everytime i would log in adept notifier would crash and alot of apport processes would pop up to the point where my system became unresponsive
[02:26] <eagles0513875> its already been reported
[02:27] <eagles0513875> and once i did a clean install thank god it hasnt surfaced its nasty face
[02:37] <eagles0513875> what u think coNP
[02:40] <AnRkey> are there any networking module issues in gutsy at the moment?
[02:40] <AnRkey> when i start gutsy the networking takes a good few minutes to start once i am already logged in
[02:41] <AnRkey> brb
[02:41] <sn0> AnRkey i didn't notice any strangeness here, how are you connecting to the internet ?
[02:43] <AnRkey> how?
[02:43] <AnRkey> via ethernet to our router to another router and then dsl
[02:43] <AnRkey> this is a dedicated dev box i am on that i ran edgy on
[02:43] <AnRkey> this is the first time i am having this prob
[02:44] <AnRkey> the problem is consistent
[02:44] <AnRkey> all updates are done so far
[02:44] <sn0> strange, can you reproduce the problem ?
[02:44] <AnRkey> yep
[02:44] <sn0> hopefully that will make it easier to figure out what is going on
[02:44] <AnRkey> happens every time i login
[02:45] <sn0> so are you getting an ip from the router using dhcp? could maybe try setting manual ip to see if its that
[02:45] <AnRkey> damn, gotta run
[02:45] <AnRkey> be back in 10
[02:45] <sn0> okay
[02:45] <sn0> metoo maybe
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hiya sn0, eagles0513875
[02:57] <coNP> hey Hobbsee
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hiya coNP
[02:58] <coNP> Do you know what happened to our precious wolf? It does not want to start... :(
[02:58] <Hobbsee> coNP: did you get openbox uploaded?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> coNP: if you're meaning amarok?
[02:58] <coNP> Actually it won't compile at all
[02:59] <coNP> Yes I mean Amarok
[03:01] <eagles0513875> !openbox
[03:01] <ubotu> openbox is a lightweight window manager. For instructions and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox. To replace metacity with Openbox please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Replace_Metacity_with_Openbox_in_gnome
[03:01] <Hobbsee> coNP: wont compile?  why?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> coNP: are you talking svn, or the released version?
[03:01] <coNP> apt-get source amarok &&  pbuilder build amarok*.dsc
[03:01] <coNP> that is the released version
[03:01] <coNP> some error in libtunepimp
[03:02] <coNP> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/603000
[03:12] <AnRkey> sn0, back
[03:12] <AnRkey> pc crash and a tallent show 60 away :D
[03:15] <Hobbsee> coNP: have you done an "apt-get build-dep amarok" first?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> and why are you trying to build amarok, anyway?
[03:15] <sn0> AnRkey did setting to a static ip make any difference?
[03:15] <sn0> or which part is being slow exactly
[03:15] <coNP> Hobbsee: no, but I did a pbuilder update first
[03:16] <coNP> I try to build because "won't start" is typically caused by library errors
[03:16] <Hobbsee> oh, if you're building on a pbuilder, right.
[03:16] <coNP> Now "Cannot install 'libtunepimp-dev'E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed."
[03:16] <Hobbsee> no, it's typically caused by an obsolete amarokrc* and amarok dir
[03:16] <hays> Man, I really like the ubuntu default theme
[03:16] <coNP> okay, but now it is caused by some libtunepimp version error
[03:16] <Hobbsee> coNP: sounds like your pbuilder is on crack then
[03:17] <hays> People might say its windowsy, but I think its really nice.  The rounded corners are a nice touch
[03:17] <coNP> Hobbsee: I don't think so. I suppore some libraries have only partially been built and wait for a while now
[03:17] <coNP> (till they appear in the repositories)
[03:18] <sn0> hays people call everything windowys, show people vista theyll say its osxish, show people osx theyll say its openstepy ;] 
[03:18] <Hobbsee> coNP: it's in the repositories
[03:18] <coNP> it is but of a wrong version
[03:18] <Hobbsee> what version does it want?
[03:18] <hays> sn0: yeah, its unclear what people want.  I guess something as ugly as sin.
[03:19] <sn0> hays going by apple usability designs, i would have to agree
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> hays: vista has better colours than ubuntu
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> (Hopefully that is one windows feature that they will rip off (usually its the ones I care not for that get ripped off)
[03:21] <AnRkey> sn0, i will give that a go and come back in a short while
[03:21] <coNP> Hobbsee: libcurl3-gnutls conflicts with libcurl4-gnutls
[03:21] <Hobbsee> coNP: ah right.  wait a while for them.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> curl is busticated.
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> coNP: just rebuild libtunepimp against libcurl3-gnutls
[03:22] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: i think it's being done already
[03:22] <Hobbsee> there's about 40 rebuilds needing to be done due to curl bustication
[03:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:26] <Linux_Galore> amarok wont start after todays updates I get this error (worked fine yesterday) amarokapp: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: version `CURL_GNUTLS_4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libtunepimp.so.5)
[03:27] <coNP> Linux_Galore: we are discussing this for about an hour :)
[03:27] <coNP> you should wait now some hours, I guess
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Linux_Galore: curl is busticated.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> you can probably downgrade to the old curl*, and old libtunepimp
[03:28] <coNP> that works, Dannilion also did so
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> ooh goody, no podcasts today :-(
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> sudo apt-get install libtunepimp4 ?
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> I am surprised aptitude just didn't hold it back (same issue was in sid a month ago or so - if you decrease the version number and put it on hold for a bit it will be ok) - laptop has gutsy but cannot be bothered to update it all the time (Only want it for mac80211)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: huh?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> didnt hold *what* back?
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> libtunepimp and libcurl4-gnutls
[03:35] <Hobbsee> for a complicated reason, which you probably dont really want to know about
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> anyone have the exact name of the old packages so i can downgrade them
[03:41] <Hobbsee> the old version?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> the package didnt change names, iirc?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> !search libcurl gutsy
[03:41] <ubotu> Found: gibbon, gutsy, newqueue, pidgin, ubuntu+1, gusty
[03:41] <Hobbsee> !search libcurl
[03:41] <ubotu> Found:
[03:41] <Hobbsee> !search curl
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> hmm just trying to down grade those two
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> so i get amarok back
[03:42] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ showsrc curl | grep Binary
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Binary: libcurl4, curl, libcurl4-openssl-dev, libcurl3-gnutls, libcurl4-gnutls-dev, libcurl3-dbg, libcurl4-gnutls, libcurl3
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> apt doesnt offer any easy way of going backwards
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Linux_Galore: you need to go back to 7.16.2-5ubuntu1
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Linux_Galore: sure it does - read man apt
[03:43] <Hobbsee> you can do an apt-get install package:version.  i just dont remember the syntax
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> Hobbsee: I usually just enter the whole package name with the revision and it downgrades it
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> looks like another version of libcurl is on the repo ubuntu4
[03:55] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:56] <Hobbsee> then just wait for the rebuilds
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> 2 hours later they seem to have gone oops
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hm?
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> the package times are only 2 hours apart on the local repo
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Linux_Galore: true that.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Linux_Galore: it's due to debian doing libcurl3 --> libcurl4, then deciding to go back to libcurl3 again.
[03:59] <Linux_Galore> ack, whole thing looks like a car crash
[03:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:59] <Linux_Galore> bugger that I will manually do it
[03:59] <Hobbsee> it's the development release...
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> aaargh, cant see ubuntu1  for libcurl on the repo
[04:15] <Hobbsee> no, it's not in teh repo anymore...
[04:17] <Linux_Galore> just noticed that havent gone to ubuntu4 on the gnutls package but they have on the dev one, fsking weird
[04:26] <Linux_Galore> be fun to see how they reverse out of this one
[04:43] <Dannilion> Hobbsee, thanks for explaining why my Amarok stopped working (though why it took 3 updates to downgrade I don't know)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:44] <Dannilion> I had no Amarok for 36 hours! :p
[04:45] <coNP> libtunepimp depends on libcurl4
[04:45] <coNP> amarok depends on libtunepimp
[04:45] <coNP> :D
[04:45] <Dannilion> yup
[04:45] <Dannilion> me too coNP ;)
[04:45] <Dannilion> It was one of my biggest reasons for changing from Gnome to KDE
[04:46] <coNP> did you set them on fire?
[04:46] <bipolar> haha
[04:46] <Dannilion> no :p
[04:46] <bipolar> Does anyone else have the ipw3945 wireless card?
[04:46] <Dannilion> They had come to the building where I live to do a fire safety talk
[04:46] <bipolar> There seems to be a problem with it in Gutsy
[04:47] <frandavid100> hiya guys
[04:48] <Dannilion> Hi frandavid100, anything I can pretend to help you with? ;0
[04:48] <Dannilion> ;)
[04:48] <coNP> is it really worth changing?
[04:48] <frandavid100> not really, just wanted to hang by
[04:48] <frandavid100> thanks for asking
[04:51] <frandavid100> yeah it's great when you can actually help folks :)
[04:56] <Dannilion> ooh :p
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> Dannilion: how did you fix it
[04:58] <Dannilion> Aptitude asked to downgrade it. I typed y.
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> Dannilion: so what exactly did you type then
[05:00] <eagles0513875> Dannilion: u might like my site that im making http://howtokubuntu.x10hosting.com
[05:00] <eagles0513875> its still a work in progress
[05:01] <Dannilion> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade :p
[05:02] <Dannilion> that site is orange
[05:02] <Dannilion> it hurts my eyes
[05:02] <Linux_Galore> says it will remove Kubuntu-desktop, I dont like the sound of that
[05:02] <Dannilion> mine didn't
[05:03] <Linux_Galore> Remove the following packages: kubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <Dannilion> !pastebin
[05:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28494/
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> Dannilion: so basically it removes a few downgrades then installs them again ?
[05:06] <Dannilion> something like that
[05:06] <Dannilion> hang on
[05:07] <Hobbsee> bipolar: mine is working here.  some have troubles, though
[05:09] <bipolar> Hobbsee: what are your troubles?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> bipolar: my troubles?
[05:09] <Dannilion> bleh, pastebin isn't working for me
[05:09] <Dannilion> (it's a dns problem my end)
[05:09] <bipolar> Hobbsee: with the IPW card :)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bipolar: please add to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/121439
[05:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121439 in network-manager "[Gutsy] Network Manager Applet can't connect wireless with ipw3945 driver" [High,Incomplete] 
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bipolar: i said it's working here for me
[05:10] <bipolar> Hobbsee: I already did :)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ah cool
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> looks like Im stuck without amarok until they fix libcurl up, sigh
[05:11] <bipolar> Hobbsee: oh... I reread your chat... read "have some troubles" instead of "some have troubles" :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:11] <bipolar> It's very strange that it would show the ap's, and all that data, but be unable to connect.
[05:14] <h3sp4wn> bipolar: can you connect manually
[05:14] <Dannilion> http://dannimatzk.co.uk/fixingamarok <- should have what aptitude displayed when I upgraded
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Dannilion: just wait...
[05:22] <Dannilion> what?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Dannilion: and that stuff will become installable again
[05:23] <Dannilion> ahh, ok
[05:23] <Dannilion> okay, bedtime
[05:23] <Dannilion> good afternoon/night/morning people
[05:24] <coNP> good evening :), Dannilion
[05:24] <sn0> nn Dannilion
[05:25] <Hobbsee> night danni
[05:28] <crimsun> speaking of granparadiso, has anyone used the ubuntu package?
[05:28] <hays> is that still in alpha
[05:30] <crimsun> AFAIK.
[05:54] <sycho> I just added a 40 gig HD (currently a fat32 partition) and I want to format the drive so it is a Linux partition. how do I do this?
[05:56] <dfgas> k a friend of mine i installed compiz fusion on his computer, ubuntu, then he restarted the computer today and he has no window decorator now and compiz fusion isn't even going it, if i load compiz  its all good, any ideas?
[05:57] <Sadjoker> can any1 help me with a skype problem?
[05:58] <Pumpernickel> sycho: Open GParted, select the drive, open the menu item Partition -> format as.
[06:01] <sycho> thank you sir
[06:16] <frandavid100> hey guys, quick question
[06:16] <frandavid100> in case I have any suggestion about the compiz defaults, where should I speak them?
[06:17] <frandavid100> let's suppose I think placement should be set to smart instead of cascade for example, where should I propose it?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> file a bug on compiz
[06:20] <frandavid100> but where? launchpad or bugzilla? is it an ubuntu specific thing, or upstream?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> launchpad, i think.  well, are they our compiz defaults, or compiz defaults in general?
[06:21] <frandavid100> that would be the question, I'm not sure if ubuntu uses its own defaults or the ones that are given
[06:34] <wfarr> frandavid100, what setting is it specifically?
[06:34] <wfarr> and which plugin does it have to do with
[06:35] <frandavid100> it's the placement option in the place plugin
[06:35] <wfarr> okay
[06:35] <frandavid100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/124026 just filed a bug against it
[06:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124026 in compiz "sane defaults  smart placement instead of cascade" [Undecided,New] 
[06:35] <wfarr> what about it?
[06:35] <wfarr> I think it's an Ubuntu default as opposed to Compiz one
[06:36] <frandavid100> hope it reaches the right people then
[06:37] <wfarr> it should
[06:38] <wfarr> speaking of
[06:38] <wfarr> frandavid100, can you also confirm this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra/+bug/123163
[06:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123163 in compiz-fusion-plugins-extra "Missing libcubereflex.so" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:39] <frandavid100> let me see that
[06:40] <frandavid100> yeah, there are some plugins that won't load, don't know why though
[06:40] <frandavid100> I'm getting this too, so I'll confirm it
[06:40] <wfarr> =)
[06:40] <wfarr> k
[06:40] <wfarr> now to wait on mvo to figure out the issue and build new packages
[06:41] <frandavid100> some of the newer plugins are a bit buggy, but the general performance has improved a lot
[06:41] <hays> I assume that the grey libcurl things in my update manager are due to the issues being worked out, no?
[06:41] <frandavid100> is compiz going to be default in the end?
[06:42] <frandavid100> for machines that can handle it, I mean
[06:42] <wfarr> frandavid100, it already is ;)
[06:42] <wfarr> as of Tribe 3
[06:42] <wfarr> tribe 2**
[06:42] <wfarr> hays, yeah - right now that upgrade will break openoffice
[06:42] <frandavid100> but are the propietary drivers enabled by default or something, or can the open drivers use compiz?
[06:43] <wfarr> well
[06:43] <wfarr> intel and radeon drivers work out of the box
[06:43] <wfarr> for the other folk, they still see Metacity until restricted drivers are installed
[06:43] <frandavid100> for some reason nv screws my screen, so I was hoping nvidia-glx would be installed by default, or through a checkbox or so.
[06:44] <wfarr> if you used a tribe 2 cd, you'd find Metacity running on the LiveCD + your gnome session
[06:44] <wfarr> but after installing via restricted drivers
[06:44] <wfarr> AFAIK
[06:44] <wfarr> your next login will be compiz-enabled
[06:45] <frandavid100> do you happen to know if you can actually do that without starting X?
[06:45] <wfarr> not really
[06:45] <wfarr> but like I said
[06:45] <wfarr> those folks will be greeted with metacity anyway
[06:45] <frandavid100> cause, since I can't see a thing with nv, it's hard to stard restricted-manager
[06:45] <wfarr> haha
[06:46] <wfarr> you can always set your driver to vesa long enough to use restricted-manager
[06:46] <frandavid100> by editing xorg.conf? that would be a good solution, I reckon
[06:47] <frandavid100> just have to change "nv" for "vesa"?
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> If you are doing that anyway may as well just change it to nvidia
[06:53] <hays> When I enable desktop effects, X restarts, and desktop effects are not enabled.
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> hays: running native ?
[06:53] <hays> In a VM
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> Won't work
[06:54] <hays> ah well
[07:16] <wfarr> h3sp4wn, the issue is that frandavid100 would still need to install the nvidia drivers ;)
[07:16] <wfarr> he can't use the nv drivers to start X to get to the restricted-manager to install nvidia drivers
[07:16] <frandavid100> yup, that's right
[07:17] <frandavid100> it's not really annoying though, nevermind
[07:21] <h3sp4wn> wfarr: no
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> wfarr: he can just install nvidia-glx and change nv to nvidia
[07:22] <wfarr> he could - sure
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> 2 steps instead of one
[07:23] <wfarr> right - but the thing is, we still have to plan according to folks who won't know that things like nvidia-glx package exists
[07:23] <wfarr> realistically, for cards which don't work with 'nv', it should default to 'vesa' instead
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> wfarr: Waste of time just adds added complexity (extra stupid stuff loaded)
[07:29] <wfarr> it's better than greeting average joe with nothing but a bash shell
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> wfarr: So you are willing to compromise on the performance of your system (every second you are using it for that reason ?)
[07:30] <wfarr> I'm talking about sane defaults
[07:30] <wfarr> I am willing to use vesa for 5 minutes while I login and use restricted-manager to get the right drivers
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> with no option to get rid of all that junk without removing ubuntu-desktop
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> (same with network mangler)
[07:30] <wfarr> ... vesa is installed by default.
[07:31] <wfarr> has been since forever and a day ago
[07:37] <sn0> unbreakable X is on the spec list on the wiki somewhere
[07:37] <sn0> fyi, if you haven't seen already
[07:45] <h3sp4wn> wfarr: I would say it is insane defaults (if you are wanting to make it like Windows for do what they do - only at least install drivers for hardware that is present) - stuff like starting bluetooth services when there is no bluetooth hardware installing every x driver (not just the ones that may actually be useful, kernel I guess is ok) why leave the system so cluttered by default (it takes ages to clear it up)
[07:46] <wfarr> I've got better things to do than argue with trolls
[07:46] <h3sp4wn> Its a reasonable argument sane by default == bloated by default (if things continue as they are)
[08:43] <pvandewyngaerde> can i install kde 4 alpha 4 on gutsy ?
[08:43] <pvandewyngaerde> alpha 2
[08:49] <pvandewyngaerde> running vlc
[08:49] <pvandewyngaerde> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: [6736] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[08:58] <wfarr> pvandewyngaerde, it's just a warning brought forth by the new GLib and GObject stuff to try and force devs to update their stuff
[08:58] <wfarr> it's harmless, really
[08:58] <hwilde> !find tcpd.h feisty
[08:59] <ubotu> File tcpd.h found in libwrap0-dev
[09:00] <hwilde> !find zlib.h feisty
[09:00] <ubotu> File zlib.h found in drscheme, ecos, libbotan1.4-dev, libbotan1.5-dev, libbz2-dev (and 27 others)
[09:03] <hwilde> !find javac feisty
[09:03] <ubotu> Found: javacc
[09:06] <jussi01> !botabuse
[09:06] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:07] <jussi01> hwilde: you do know you can just do apt-file search ?
[09:09] <hwilde> !apologies idler
[09:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apologies idler - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <hwilde> for some reason, ubotu can find files that I cannot in apt-file search, but I can apt-get install the packages
[09:22] <Dannilionz> OMG! My spam filters are working!
[10:08] <earthling> how can I get the debian-installer to produce a log describing the errors it encounters?  is there a "debug" mode?
[12:17] <Peaker> my emacs shell seems to be broken - everything in it thinks its not a real terminal (but a non-interactive one), anyone knows why this can happen?