jussi01hmmm, I just did an update and got the following error: is it a bug? or fixable?12:36
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jussi01gah, broken... very broken12:44
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jussi01la de da... anyone actually around?12:54
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gnomefreakis this a failed to overwrite file error?12:56
gnomefreakjussi01: you need to wait for kubuntu devels to fix it12:57
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jussi01gnomefreak: Im back on feisty, but I think it was a pakaging error12:58
jussi01in kdm12:58
gnomefreakjussi01: it is12:59
gnomefreakjussi01: they are missing a build-dep in debina/control file12:59
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jussi01gnomefreak: its a known bug?12:59
gnomefreaknot that i know of12:59
jussi01it should be quite simple to fix...12:59
gnomefreakit is12:59
jussi01like, change the control file...no?01:00
gnomefreakyes for most part you have to rebuild and hope that you got i t right01:00
jussi01it just look to me as they have forgotten to put a < in...01:01
jussi01brb, gonna go back to gutsy01:02
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pimp31415***MEMORY-WARNING***: beryl-manager[28071] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...01:40
pimp31415current wierd thing among others01:40
wfarrpimp31415, that's a fairly common error in order to try and force devs to be strictly compliant with GLib/GObject01:40
wfarrthe program will still run fine though01:40
PiciIts only a warning anyways.01:44
Centaur5Ever since I've upgraded to Gutsy my one of my cup cores has been maxed out and I get a constant duplicating message in any vterm saying "device mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed"01:44
wfarroh hecks yes01:46
wfarrupdate everyone - more mesa updates just coming down the pipe =D01:46
Centaur5I have no idea what that bug would be related to so if someone can tell me what I should blame it on then I can file a report.01:47
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ShackJackHI all - I see that spamassassin is running as a service... I don't see via email headers coming into T-bird that it's applying any filters... Is there something further I need to do to activate it, or is this a work in progress?03:04
RAOFAs far as I'm aware, programs need to explicitly call sa before it works.  Also, the service is disabled by default, and needs to be enabled in /etc/default/spamassasin03:07
ShackJackRAOF: Ahh.. whoops didn't look in there yet. Was looking at my GUI services list and assume it was enabled because it was checked... But spamd is most certainly disabled... So enabling spamd in the current setup doesn't automatically scan incoming then (and affix its headers for further processing)?03:10
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RAOFUm, maybe :)03:10
ShackJackRAOF: Well, I'll enabled spamd and see if anything gets added to incoming mail headers :) T-Bird 2 (maybe 1.5) has an option to always trust spamassassin, etc.. but not to explicitly enabled it...03:11
RAOFI base my statements on the existance of a "spamassassin" plugin for evolution :)03:11
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ShackJackJust throwing it out there - any ATI (X1400) fglrx users having difficulty getting Compiz to run on gutsy... Mine was running on Feisty but for the life of me can't get it going on Gutsy (it's to be expected - but I miss my eye candy ;))03:16
RAOFIt should work fine, I think03:16
crdlberror messages and specific behavior would be helpful :)03:17
RAOFYou'll still have to use XGL, of course, but it should work03:17
ShackJackRAOF: Yep - doesn't for some reason -- XGL loads, I did that LD_PRELOAD thing some suggest, but trying to start via desktop-effects or manually via compiz --replace ccp  won't work...03:17
RAOFYou may need to install dbus-x1103:18
ShackJackJust was asking generally, as error messages on another computer... Only thing usefull it says is DPMS s not supported, reverting to metacity...  RAOF - I think I might have that installed but will double check...03:19
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DanaGHmm, I wonder if you can do anything at all with an S3 Savage.....03:41
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DanaGBy anything, I mean even 2D DRI.03:42
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starzE: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl3_7.16.2-6ubuntu2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libcurl.so.4.0.0', which is also in package libcurl403:43
starzE: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl3-gnutls_7.16.2-6ubuntu2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4.0.0', which is also in package libcurl4-gnutls03:43
starzany clue what all that means ? DanaG ? anyone?03:44
starzanuyone else get broken packages on this last upgrade?03:48
starz libcurl4: Depends: libcurl3 (= 7.16.2-6ubuntu2) but it is not installed //////// libcurl4-gnutls: Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (= 7.16.2-6ubuntu2) but it is not installed03:49
starztrying to install those now03:49
starzmm should have tried a -f install...03:50
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starzis there a feature somewhere in synaptic to do one of those btw? would be useful for gui bound pplz03:50
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starznoticed with beryl i dont have the option to send apps to other viewports03:51
starzthey still have always visible on workspace thingie but meh we're not doing multiple workspaces its multiple viewports or so03:52
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hwildeanybody got tcpd.h in deb format?04:09
RAOF"apt-file search tcpd.h" tells me that it's in libwrap0-dev04:11
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hwildeRAOF, when I do that I cannot find anything.  is it only available in gutsy repos?04:14
hwildealso, "libwrap0 is already the newest version"04:14
crdlb!find tcpd.h feisty04:15
ubotuFile tcpd.h found in libwrap0-dev04:15
RAOFNo. this was on Feisty.  Of course, if you are not running Gutsy, this is the wrong channel :)04:15
RAOFhwilde: Have you run "sudo apt-file update"?04:16
hwildeI ran apt-get update; apt-get install libwrap0-dev;  libwrap0-dev is already the newest version.;  locate tcpd.h;  no results04:17
hwildeah dreaded updated04:18
Picior use `find / | grep tcp.h`04:18
hwildeit takes forever to scan... can't apt-get install play nice04:18
crdlbyou could use find if you prefer :P04:18
crdlbor even: dpkg -S tcpd.h04:19
RAOFPici: Are you going for the "needless pipe award"?  'find / -name tcpd.h' :)04:20
RAOFcrdlb: :)04:21
PiciRAOF: Thats just the way I was shown to do it... its kinda silly now that I look at it.04:22
RAOFPici: Yeah.  :)04:23
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hwilde!find  gdk_imlib.h feisty04:39
ubotuFile gdk_imlib.h found in gdk-imlib11-dev04:39
hwildeso how is ubotu's find better than apt-file ?04:40
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Mike2Kwhere the feck is ng?04:43
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xsachahi, is this known? libcurl4   BROKEN (installed)   no change      libcurl is designed to be solid, usable, reliable...05:17
xsachaVersion: 7.16.2-6ubuntu205:18
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wfarrxsacha, it repaired itself on my end with "sudo apt-get -f install"06:12
xsachamm mine not repaired, but i fixed issues i was getting by installing libcurl306:13
DanaGIt doesn't take Gutsy for things to be broken -- going from Dapper to Edgy and then Feisty on some old laptop, I got severe brokenness.06:21
DanaGI ended up having to purge everything upstream of gconf and libgnome2.06:21
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DanaGI wish there were a "Purge everything, all the way up!" option in dependency handling.06:21
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dawn`chorusnot sure if I should file a bug for debian-installer.  three downloads, about five CD's, all verified, all fail to install packages on an x86 intel system.07:58
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Hobbseedawn`chorus: daily cd?  or a tribe?08:02
dawn`chorusHobbsee, tribe twice.  daily once.08:03
dawn`chorussame result.08:03
Hobbseewhat packages did it fail to install?08:05
dawn`chorusIt's the entire step "select and install packages" that fails.08:06
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dawn`chorusi'll just wait 'til the next tribe.  :)08:12
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Hobbseedawn`chorus: it'd probably be useufl if you could get some more info than that, but fair enough08:17
Hobbseebe sure to test out the cds for the next tribe08:17
dawn`chorusHobbsee, i'm mounting the drive to see if a /var/log/installer was produced.08:17
Hobbseeyou may need to run it under debug mode to get that08:18
dawn`chorusnaw, it wasn't produced.  ok.  debug mode.  and how can I get what displays on alt-f4 to save to a file?08:18
Hobbseeon alt-f4?08:19
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dawn`chorusduring the install i noticed that alt-f4 displays system messages, or something ...08:20
dawn`chorussorry i'm not being clear.  i'm still new to linux.08:20
Hobbseealt+f4 usually closes the window, i thought...08:24
Dana1ctrl-alt F4 is switch TTY,08:32
Dana1but if you're already not in X, all you need is alt.08:32
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mikkaelsomeone else having problems with amarok since yesterday's updates ?09:55
mikkael"amarokapp: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: version `CURL_GNUTLS_4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libtunepimp.so.5)"09:56
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:crimsun] : The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, t
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:crimsun] : The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing and the like. | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, there are libcurl* issues ATM being sorted.
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MugginsMgusty broke my nginx10:05
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MugginsMerr, gusty, gutsy10:05
MugginsMis there a dpkg option to make it not try and run pre and post scripts?10:06
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gnomefreakcairo issues as well its been a few weekes max10:52
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MacSlowGreetings everybody!11:55
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sn0heya MacSlow12:10
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Dannilionis anyone else having problems with Amarok before I submit a bug report?01:57
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coNPDannilion: you mean "amarokapp: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: version `CURL_GNUTLS_4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libtunepimp.so.5)"01:58
=== coNP has it as well, please file it
Dannilionwill you confirm once I do?01:59
coNPactually I do a dist-upgrade now01:59
coNPand then try to pbuild amarok01:59
coNPI will confirm it, as well if (still) needed01:59
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Dannilionokay, I will try another update before I submit it- if there's no improvement I will submit it02:00
coNPI guess it is still a valid bug02:00
Dannilionif it's fixed by an update, I won't bother, but if it's not, I will :p02:01
coNPit is not02:01
Dannilionokay, I will file it now then02:01
coNPcool, write the bug # once reported, and I'll confirm it02:01
Dannilionwill do02:02
Dannilionif launchpad stops timing out, anyway ;)02:02
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eagles0513875Dannilion: what problem u having02:02
coNPamarok does not bother starting up02:03
eagles0513875im not having any problems with amarok02:03
eagles0513875did he do a clean install02:03
Dannilionamarok won't start- has the error coNP posted a second ago02:03
DannilionI did a clean install- it stopped working after an update yesterday02:03
eagles0513875cuz i did a complete dist-upgrade and there was a huge bug in that02:03
eagles0513875how bout uninstalling it and the compiling it from source and see if u have a problem with that too02:03
Dannilion libtunepimp5: Depends: libcurl4-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1) but it is not installable02:04
Dannilionthat's an error with the upgrade02:04
DannilionI think that's the problem02:04
coNPit it at least a packaging error02:04
coNPeither in amarok or in libtunepimp02:04
eagles0513875coNP: would installing from souce fix anything02:05
=== coNP tries that
coNPnow pbuilding amarok02:05
eagles0513875wait dan what version of kde r u using02:05
eagles0513875and what version of amarok02:05
eagles0513875version of amarok 1.4.602:05
=== coNP uses amarok on up-to-date _u_buntu gutsy
eagles0513875dan have u tried asking in the #amarok channel02:06
DannilionNot yet02:06
DannilionIt's a gutsy problem- the update told me so02:06
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Dannilionahh, upgrade did fix it (or rather downgrade did)02:07
DannilioncoNP want to do the bug report? I can't file it now Amarok is working again02:08
coNPDannilion: what down / upgrade?02:09
DannilionDowngrade the following packages:02:10
Dannilionlibcurl4-gnutls [7.16.2-6ubuntu3 (gutsy, now) -> 7.16.2-4ubuntu1 (gutsy)] 02:10
DannilionScore is 2102:10
=== coNP would wait 1-2 days
Dannilionyeah, I just won't upgrade that package again for a few days02:11
eagles0513875y did u download that for me i just downloaded some upgraded pkgs and that pkg was held back02:14
Dannilionit wasn't held back a couple of days ago02:14
DannilionI must have just had bad luck with upgrade timing02:15
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eagles0513875coNP: u want to know a bad bug i found after i did a complete dist upgrade from feisty to gutsy02:23
eagles0513875a really nasty bug lol02:23
coNPmaybe :)02:23
eagles0513875after i did the distupgrade and restarted my computer02:26
eagles0513875everytime i would log in adept notifier would crash and alot of apport processes would pop up to the point where my system became unresponsive02:26
eagles0513875its already been reported02:26
eagles0513875and once i did a clean install thank god it hasnt surfaced its nasty face02:27
eagles0513875what u think coNP02:37
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AnRkeyare there any networking module issues in gutsy at the moment?02:40
AnRkeywhen i start gutsy the networking takes a good few minutes to start once i am already logged in02:40
sn0AnRkey i didn't notice any strangeness here, how are you connecting to the internet ?02:41
AnRkeyvia ethernet to our router to another router and then dsl02:43
AnRkeythis is a dedicated dev box i am on that i ran edgy on02:43
AnRkeythis is the first time i am having this prob02:43
AnRkeythe problem is consistent02:44
AnRkeyall updates are done so far02:44
sn0strange, can you reproduce the problem ?02:44
sn0hopefully that will make it easier to figure out what is going on02:44
AnRkeyhappens every time i login02:44
sn0so are you getting an ip from the router using dhcp? could maybe try setting manual ip to see if its that02:45
AnRkeydamn, gotta run02:45
AnRkeybe back in 1002:45
sn0metoo maybe02:45
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Hobbseehiya sn0, eagles051387502:48
coNPhey Hobbsee02:57
Hobbseehiya coNP02:58
coNPDo you know what happened to our precious wolf? It does not want to start... :(02:58
HobbseecoNP: did you get openbox uploaded?02:58
HobbseecoNP: if you're meaning amarok?02:58
coNPActually it won't compile at all02:58
coNPYes I mean Amarok02:59
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ubotuopenbox is a lightweight window manager. For instructions and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox. To replace metacity with Openbox please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Replace_Metacity_with_Openbox_in_gnome03:01
HobbseecoNP: wont compile?  why?03:01
HobbseecoNP: are you talking svn, or the released version?03:01
coNPapt-get source amarok &&  pbuilder build amarok*.dsc03:01
coNPthat is the released version03:01
coNPsome error in libtunepimp03:01
coNPHobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/60300003:02
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AnRkeysn0, back03:12
AnRkeypc crash and a tallent show 60 away :D03:12
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HobbseecoNP: have you done an "apt-get build-dep amarok" first?03:15
Hobbseeand why are you trying to build amarok, anyway?03:15
sn0AnRkey did setting to a static ip make any difference?03:15
sn0or which part is being slow exactly03:15
coNPHobbsee: no, but I did a pbuilder update first03:15
coNPI try to build because "won't start" is typically caused by library errors03:16
Hobbseeoh, if you're building on a pbuilder, right.03:16
coNPNow "Cannot install 'libtunepimp-dev'E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed."03:16
Hobbseeno, it's typically caused by an obsolete amarokrc* and amarok dir03:16
haysMan, I really like the ubuntu default theme03:16
coNPokay, but now it is caused by some libtunepimp version error03:16
HobbseecoNP: sounds like your pbuilder is on crack then03:16
haysPeople might say its windowsy, but I think its really nice.  The rounded corners are a nice touch03:17
coNPHobbsee: I don't think so. I suppore some libraries have only partially been built and wait for a while now03:17
coNP(till they appear in the repositories)03:17
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sn0hays people call everything windowys, show people vista theyll say its osxish, show people osx theyll say its openstepy ;] 03:18
HobbseecoNP: it's in the repositories03:18
coNPit is but of a wrong version03:18
Hobbseewhat version does it want?03:18
hayssn0: yeah, its unclear what people want.  I guess something as ugly as sin.03:18
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sn0hays going by apple usability designs, i would have to agree03:19
h3sp4wnhays: vista has better colours than ubuntu03:20
h3sp4wn(Hopefully that is one windows feature that they will rip off (usually its the ones I care not for that get ripped off)03:20
AnRkeysn0, i will give that a go and come back in a short while03:21
coNPHobbsee: libcurl3-gnutls conflicts with libcurl4-gnutls03:21
HobbseecoNP: ah right.  wait a while for them.03:21
Hobbseecurl is busticated.03:21
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h3sp4wncoNP: just rebuild libtunepimp against libcurl3-gnutls03:22
Hobbseeh3sp4wn: i think it's being done already03:22
Hobbseethere's about 40 rebuilds needing to be done due to curl bustication03:22
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Linux_Galoreamarok wont start after todays updates I get this error (worked fine yesterday) amarokapp: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: version `CURL_GNUTLS_4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libtunepimp.so.5)03:26
coNPLinux_Galore: we are discussing this for about an hour :)03:27
coNPyou should wait now some hours, I guess03:27
HobbseeLinux_Galore: curl is busticated.03:27
Hobbseeyou can probably downgrade to the old curl*, and old libtunepimp03:27
coNPthat works, Dannilion also did so03:28
Linux_Galoreooh goody, no podcasts today :-(03:28
Linux_Galoresudo apt-get install libtunepimp4 ?03:30
h3sp4wnI am surprised aptitude just didn't hold it back (same issue was in sid a month ago or so - if you decrease the version number and put it on hold for a bit it will be ok) - laptop has gutsy but cannot be bothered to update it all the time (Only want it for mac80211)03:30
Hobbseeh3sp4wn: huh?03:31
Hobbseedidnt hold *what* back?03:31
h3sp4wnlibtunepimp and libcurl4-gnutls03:32
Hobbseefor a complicated reason, which you probably dont really want to know about03:35
Linux_Galoreanyone have the exact name of the old packages so i can downgrade them03:40
Hobbseethe old version?03:41
Hobbseethe package didnt change names, iirc?03:41
Hobbsee!search libcurl gutsy03:41
ubotuFound: gibbon, gutsy, newqueue, pidgin, ubuntu+1, gusty03:41
Hobbsee!search libcurl03:41
Hobbsee!search curl03:41
Linux_Galorehmm just trying to down grade those two03:41
Linux_Galoreso i get amarok back03:41
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ showsrc curl | grep Binary03:42
HobbseeBinary: libcurl4, curl, libcurl4-openssl-dev, libcurl3-gnutls, libcurl4-gnutls-dev, libcurl3-dbg, libcurl4-gnutls, libcurl303:42
Linux_Galoreapt doesnt offer any easy way of going backwards03:42
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HobbseeLinux_Galore: you need to go back to 7.16.2-5ubuntu103:43
HobbseeLinux_Galore: sure it does - read man apt03:43
Hobbseeyou can do an apt-get install package:version.  i just dont remember the syntax03:43
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Linux_GaloreHobbsee: I usually just enter the whole package name with the revision and it downgrades it03:43
=== Hobbsee just uses dpkg for that
Linux_Galorelooks like another version of libcurl is on the repo ubuntu403:53
Hobbseethen just wait for the rebuilds03:56
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Linux_Galore2 hours later they seem to have gone oops03:56
Linux_Galorethe package times are only 2 hours apart on the local repo03:57
HobbseeLinux_Galore: true that.03:57
HobbseeLinux_Galore: it's due to debian doing libcurl3 --> libcurl4, then deciding to go back to libcurl3 again.03:57
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Linux_Galoreack, whole thing looks like a car crash03:59
Linux_Galorebugger that I will manually do it03:59
Hobbseeit's the development release...03:59
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Linux_Galoreaaargh, cant see ubuntu1  for libcurl on the repo04:14
Hobbseeno, it's not in teh repo anymore...04:15
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Linux_Galorejust noticed that havent gone to ubuntu4 on the gnutls package but they have on the dev one, fsking weird04:17
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Linux_Galorebe fun to see how they reverse out of this one04:26
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DannilionHobbsee, thanks for explaining why my Amarok stopped working (though why it took 3 updates to downgrade I don't know)04:43
DannilionI had no Amarok for 36 hours! :p04:44
=== coNP neither
coNPlibtunepimp depends on libcurl404:45
coNPamarok depends on libtunepimp04:45
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Dannilionme too coNP ;)04:45
DannilionIt was one of my biggest reasons for changing from Gnome to KDE04:45
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coNPdid you set them on fire?04:46
Dannilionno :p04:46
bipolarDoes anyone else have the ipw3945 wireless card?04:46
DannilionThey had come to the building where I live to do a fire safety talk04:46
bipolarThere seems to be a problem with it in Gutsy04:46
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frandavid100hiya guys04:47
DannilionHi frandavid100, anything I can pretend to help you with? ;004:48
coNPis it really worth changing?04:48
frandavid100not really, just wanted to hang by04:48
frandavid100thanks for asking04:48
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frandavid100yeah it's great when you can actually help folks :)04:51
=== coNP tries to find a problem -- just to get an opportunity for you to help :D
Dannilionooh :p04:56
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Linux_GaloreDannilion: how did you fix it04:58
DannilionAptitude asked to downgrade it. I typed y.04:58
Linux_GaloreDannilion: so what exactly did you type then04:59
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eagles0513875Dannilion: u might like my site that im making http://howtokubuntu.x10hosting.com05:00
eagles0513875its still a work in progress05:00
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Dannilionsudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade :p05:01
Dannilionthat site is orange05:02
Dannilionit hurts my eyes05:02
Linux_Galoresays it will remove Kubuntu-desktop, I dont like the sound of that05:02
Dannilionmine didn't05:02
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Linux_GaloreRemove the following packages: kubuntu-desktop05:03
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)05:03
Linux_GaloreDannilion: so basically it removes a few downgrades then installs them again ?05:06
Dannilionsomething like that05:06
Dannilionhang on05:06
Hobbseebipolar: mine is working here.  some have troubles, though05:07
bipolarHobbsee: what are your troubles?05:09
Hobbseebipolar: my troubles?05:09
Dannilionbleh, pastebin isn't working for me05:09
Dannilion(it's a dns problem my end)05:09
bipolarHobbsee: with the IPW card :)05:09
Hobbseebipolar: please add to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/12143905:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121439 in network-manager "[Gutsy] Network Manager Applet can't connect wireless with ipw3945 driver" [High,Incomplete] 05:10
Hobbseebipolar: i said it's working here for me05:10
bipolarHobbsee: I already did :)05:10
Hobbseeah cool05:10
Linux_Galorelooks like Im stuck without amarok until they fix libcurl up, sigh05:11
bipolarHobbsee: oh... I reread your chat... read "have some troubles" instead of "some have troubles" :)05:11
bipolarIt's very strange that it would show the ap's, and all that data, but be unable to connect.05:11
h3sp4wnbipolar: can you connect manually05:14
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Dannilionhttp://dannimatzk.co.uk/fixingamarok <- should have what aptitude displayed when I upgraded05:14
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HobbseeDannilion: just wait...05:21
HobbseeDannilion: and that stuff will become installable again05:22
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Dannilionahh, ok05:23
Dannilionokay, bedtime05:23
Danniliongood afternoon/night/morning people05:23
coNPgood evening :), Dannilion05:24
sn0nn Dannilion05:24
Hobbseenight danni05:25
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crimsunspeaking of granparadiso, has anyone used the ubuntu package?05:28
haysis that still in alpha05:28
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sychoI just added a 40 gig HD (currently a fat32 partition) and I want to format the drive so it is a Linux partition. how do I do this?05:54
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dfgask a friend of mine i installed compiz fusion on his computer, ubuntu, then he restarted the computer today and he has no window decorator now and compiz fusion isn't even going it, if i load compiz  its all good, any ideas?05:56
Sadjokercan any1 help me with a skype problem?05:57
Pumpernickelsycho: Open GParted, select the drive, open the menu item Partition -> format as.05:58
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sychothank you sir06:01
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frandavid100hey guys, quick question06:16
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frandavid100in case I have any suggestion about the compiz defaults, where should I speak them?06:16
frandavid100let's suppose I think placement should be set to smart instead of cascade for example, where should I propose it?06:17
Hobbseefile a bug on compiz06:19
frandavid100but where? launchpad or bugzilla? is it an ubuntu specific thing, or upstream?06:20
Hobbseelaunchpad, i think.  well, are they our compiz defaults, or compiz defaults in general?06:20
frandavid100that would be the question, I'm not sure if ubuntu uses its own defaults or the ones that are given06:21
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wfarrfrandavid100, what setting is it specifically?06:34
wfarrand which plugin does it have to do with06:34
frandavid100it's the placement option in the place plugin06:35
frandavid100https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/124026 just filed a bug against it06:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 124026 in compiz "sane defaults  smart placement instead of cascade" [Undecided,New] 06:35
wfarrwhat about it?06:35
wfarrI think it's an Ubuntu default as opposed to Compiz one06:35
frandavid100hope it reaches the right people then06:36
wfarrit should06:37
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wfarrspeaking of06:38
wfarrfrandavid100, can you also confirm this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra/+bug/12316306:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 123163 in compiz-fusion-plugins-extra "Missing libcubereflex.so" [Undecided,Confirmed] 06:38
frandavid100let me see that06:39
frandavid100yeah, there are some plugins that won't load, don't know why though06:40
frandavid100I'm getting this too, so I'll confirm it06:40
wfarrnow to wait on mvo to figure out the issue and build new packages06:40
frandavid100some of the newer plugins are a bit buggy, but the general performance has improved a lot06:41
haysI assume that the grey libcurl things in my update manager are due to the issues being worked out, no?06:41
frandavid100is compiz going to be default in the end?06:41
frandavid100for machines that can handle it, I mean06:42
wfarrfrandavid100, it already is ;)06:42
wfarras of Tribe 306:42
wfarrtribe 2**06:42
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wfarrhays, yeah - right now that upgrade will break openoffice06:42
frandavid100but are the propietary drivers enabled by default or something, or can the open drivers use compiz?06:42
wfarrintel and radeon drivers work out of the box06:43
wfarrfor the other folk, they still see Metacity until restricted drivers are installed06:43
frandavid100for some reason nv screws my screen, so I was hoping nvidia-glx would be installed by default, or through a checkbox or so.06:43
wfarrif you used a tribe 2 cd, you'd find Metacity running on the LiveCD + your gnome session06:44
wfarrbut after installing via restricted drivers06:44
wfarryour next login will be compiz-enabled06:44
frandavid100do you happen to know if you can actually do that without starting X?06:45
wfarrnot really06:45
wfarrbut like I said06:45
wfarrthose folks will be greeted with metacity anyway06:45
frandavid100cause, since I can't see a thing with nv, it's hard to stard restricted-manager06:45
wfarryou can always set your driver to vesa long enough to use restricted-manager06:46
frandavid100by editing xorg.conf? that would be a good solution, I reckon06:46
frandavid100just have to change "nv" for "vesa"?06:47
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h3sp4wnIf you are doing that anyway may as well just change it to nvidia06:51
haysWhen I enable desktop effects, X restarts, and desktop effects are not enabled.06:53
h3sp4wnhays: running native ?06:53
haysIn a VM06:53
h3sp4wnWon't work06:53
haysah well06:54
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wfarrh3sp4wn, the issue is that frandavid100 would still need to install the nvidia drivers ;)07:16
wfarrhe can't use the nv drivers to start X to get to the restricted-manager to install nvidia drivers07:16
frandavid100yup, that's right07:16
frandavid100it's not really annoying though, nevermind07:17
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h3sp4wnwfarr: no07:21
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h3sp4wnwfarr: he can just install nvidia-glx and change nv to nvidia07:22
wfarrhe could - sure07:22
h3sp4wn2 steps instead of one07:22
wfarrright - but the thing is, we still have to plan according to folks who won't know that things like nvidia-glx package exists07:23
wfarrrealistically, for cards which don't work with 'nv', it should default to 'vesa' instead07:23
h3sp4wnwfarr: Waste of time just adds added complexity (extra stupid stuff loaded)07:28
wfarrit's better than greeting average joe with nothing but a bash shell07:29
h3sp4wnwfarr: So you are willing to compromise on the performance of your system (every second you are using it for that reason ?)07:29
wfarrI'm talking about sane defaults07:30
wfarrI am willing to use vesa for 5 minutes while I login and use restricted-manager to get the right drivers07:30
h3sp4wnwith no option to get rid of all that junk without removing ubuntu-desktop07:30
h3sp4wn(same with network mangler)07:30
wfarr... vesa is installed by default.07:30
wfarrhas been since forever and a day ago07:31
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sn0unbreakable X is on the spec list on the wiki somewhere07:37
sn0fyi, if you haven't seen already07:37
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h3sp4wnwfarr: I would say it is insane defaults (if you are wanting to make it like Windows for do what they do - only at least install drivers for hardware that is present) - stuff like starting bluetooth services when there is no bluetooth hardware installing every x driver (not just the ones that may actually be useful, kernel I guess is ok) why leave the system so cluttered by default (it takes ages to clear it up)07:45
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wfarrI've got better things to do than argue with trolls07:46
h3sp4wnIts a reasonable argument sane by default == bloated by default (if things continue as they are)07:46
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pvandewyngaerdecan i install kde 4 alpha 4 on gutsy ?08:43
pvandewyngaerdealpha 208:43
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pvandewyngaerderunning vlc08:49
pvandewyngaerde***MEMORY-WARNING***: [6736] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...08:49
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wfarrpvandewyngaerde, it's just a warning brought forth by the new GLib and GObject stuff to try and force devs to update their stuff08:58
wfarrit's harmless, really08:58
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hwilde!find tcpd.h feisty08:58
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ubotuFile tcpd.h found in libwrap0-dev08:59
hwilde!find zlib.h feisty09:00
ubotuFile zlib.h found in drscheme, ecos, libbotan1.4-dev, libbotan1.5-dev, libbz2-dev (and 27 others)09:00
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hwilde!find javac feisty09:03
ubotuFound: javacc09:03
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ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...09:06
jussi01hwilde: you do know you can just do apt-file search ?09:07
hwilde!apologies idler09:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about apologies idler - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:09
hwildefor some reason, ubotu can find files that I cannot in apt-file search, but I can apt-get install the packages09:15
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DannilionzOMG! My spam filters are working!09:22
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earthlinghow can I get the debian-installer to produce a log describing the errors it encounters?  is there a "debug" mode?10:08
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Peakermy emacs shell seems to be broken - everything in it thinks its not a real terminal (but a non-interactive one), anyone knows why this can happen?12:17
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