[12:45] <cypherbios> that's pygi switching names again :)
[12:45] <pygi> what I did now, what I did now?
[12:46] <cypherbios> pygi: what you always do :P
[12:46] <cypherbios> pygi: hi man, what's up?
[12:46] <pygi> cypherbios, nothing much, my head hurts, I had to sent an application for a seminar *yesterday*, failed to do so, have an important exam today and stuff :)
[12:46] <pygi> what about you?
[12:47] <cypherbios> pygi: less worst than you I guess :D
[12:47] <cypherbios> hehe
[12:48] <pygi> cypherbios, hehe :)
[12:49] <pygi> cypherbios, will be better one day :
[12:49] <pygi> :P
[12:50] <cypherbios> pygi: I hope so :)
[12:59] <StevenK> Ah, crap.
[12:59] <ajmitch> more curl?
[01:00] <ajmitch> you're not sick of it yet?
[01:00] <StevenK> I am, but I should fix it. :-)
[01:44] <lifeless> anyone here use kvm on feisty ?
[01:46] <lifeless> well mine loads the module
[01:47] <lifeless> but booting an ubuntu-7.04 iso on it is using 100% cpu and doing squat
[01:48] <lifeless> bywhich I mean its done the ISOLINUX prelude but appears to have hung on kernel load
[01:49] <sn0> silly q lifeless but you are added to the kvm group ?
[01:49] <lifeless> yup
[01:49] <sn0> other than that i cant think of anything sorry, willing to accept a cpu to try it though ;)
[01:49] <lifeless> (not silly :))
[01:50] <sn0> i remember seeing something about kvm on the ubuntu wiki but i believe it was just installing, load module, add to group and qemu-img create then run kvm with the iso
[01:51] <lifeless> yeah
[01:51] <lifeless> its just the basics not debugging
[01:52] <sn0> on the talk of virtualisation i was having real trouble with vmware + usb pen drives :<
[01:54] <lifeless> to get the guest to see them ?
[03:16] <calc> wow this sven stuff on d-p is interesting, missed it a few months back due to moving
[03:18] <ajmitch> calc: please, don't read it - stay sane
[03:18] <StevenK> ajmitch beat me to it.
[03:43] <siti> is anyone else getting launchpad timeouts?
[03:44] <pygi> siti, gimme a sec
[03:44] <pygi> siti, nop
[03:44] <persia> siti: I haven't seen any (despite frequent page loads)
[03:44] <siti> ok, it's when I am submitting a bug..
[06:01] <fabbione> morning
[06:29] <Hobbsee> greetings, earthlings.
[06:30] <Fujitsu> Greetings, green alien.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> darn, heno's not here again
[06:33] <fabbione> Hobbsee: probably on your starship it's a normal time of the day, but here is 6:30 am
[06:33] <Hobbsee> fabbione: timezones are for weak humans.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> real people, and aliens ignore timezones!
[06:35] <fabbione> Hobbsee: the first hit in google is good enough
[06:36] <Hobbsee> fabbione: looks tasty
[06:36] <fabbione> for an alien it's lovely
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[06:37] <fabbione> even for a human tho ;)
[06:37] <fabbione> Hobbsee: i guess you can see that's all the internal of a baby cow...
[06:37] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:37] <ajmitch> sounds tasty
[06:38] <fabbione> it is
[06:39] <fabbione> with lots of red wine is even better :)
[06:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:39] <Hobbsee> the stuff i dont drink, yes.
[06:39] <fabbione> oh white is ok too
[06:39] <Hobbsee> oh goody.  yesterday was payday.
[06:59] <LaserJock> evening
[06:59] <Hobbsee> hiya LaserJock!
[07:01] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee!
[07:02] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock 
[07:02] <Fujitsu> Hi LaserJock.
[07:04] <LaserJock> hi guys
[07:38] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: stellarium 0.9.0 is already in Debian, we just need a sync request
[07:39] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I noted that right after I commented. It doesn't seem to build here at the moment, due to the curl breakage.
[07:40] <LaserJock> ah, I hadn't built it yet, that's why I didn't comment
[07:53] <StevenK> It needs archive mangling before it will, too.
[07:54] <Fujitsu> How often does NBS stuff get kicked out?
[07:54] <StevenK> When the archive peoples get around to it.
[07:55] <StevenK> I need to mention this curl mess to pitti when he gets here, I'll bring it up then.
[08:07] <pitti> Good morning
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Hi pitti.
[08:07] <Hobbsee> morning pitti!
[08:09] <StevenK> pitti: Bad, bad, bad news. :-( And it's all my fault. :-(
[08:10] <pitti> StevenK: oh?
[08:10] <pitti> StevenK: the missing Conflicts/Replaces:?
[08:10] <pitti> StevenK: or did libcurl get a new soname over night? :-P
[08:10] <Fujitsu> pitti: That's not bad bad bad news.
[08:10] <StevenK> pitti: No, and no.
[08:10] <StevenK> pitti: Worse. Versioned symbols worse!
[08:11] <StevenK> pitti: libcurl.so.3 doesn't provide a CURL_4 symbol to link against.
[08:12] <pitti> StevenK: erm, I thought it was supposed to, and Debian made it work like .so.4?
[08:12] <pitti> StevenK: that means that everything that links against .so.4 doesn't work ATM?
[08:13] <StevenK> pitti: Right.
[08:13] <StevenK> pitti: It terms of the Conflicts/Replaces, I uploaded a fix a while ago.
[08:14] <pitti> StevenK: umpf; is that known in Debian, too?
[08:14] <StevenK> pitti: But in terms of what to do about this, I think we have two possible solutions. 1) Revert my changes, take the hit and do the rebuilds. 2) Hack our libraries to provide both versions at the same time.
[08:15] <StevenK> pitti: I'm not sure, they may not have gone as far through the transition.
[08:15] <pitti> StevenK: hm, TBH I don't have an idea how to achieve (2)
[08:15] <pitti> hey tfheen 
[08:15] <Hobbsee> morning tfheen 
[08:16] <StevenK> pitti: I do. Apply a patch after configure that plays with libcurl.vers
[08:16] <Mithrandir> hi pitti
[08:17] <pitti> StevenK: ah, my hero
[08:17] <StevenK> pitti: I'm not certain if it will work, though.
[08:21] <ajmitch> morning Mithrandir, pitti 
[08:21] <pitti> hi ajmitch 
[08:26] <dholbach> good morning
[08:28] <pitti> hey dholbach 
[08:28] <dholbach> hey pitti
[08:35] <pitti> argh, argh, p-lp-bugs
[08:35] <LaserJock> hi dholbach 
[08:35] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[08:35] <dholbach> pitti: hm?
[08:35] <pitti> dholbach: I just thought I'm going crazy
[08:36] <dholbach> ok good :)
[08:36] <pitti> set([94694, 103275, 111139] ) + set([94694, 103275, 111139] ) == set([103275, 111139, 111139, 94694, 103275, 94694] )
[08:37] <pitti> and so on; I got a steadily growing set with duplications of those three elements
[08:37] <pitti> dholbach: this is a BugList result, btw
[08:37] <Mithrandir> uh, a set with duplicates in it?
[08:37] <pitti> Mithrandir: that's what I thought, too :)
[08:37] <pitti> until I noticed that those are in fact not integers, but strings
[08:38] <pitti> but it took me 20 minutes to resolve that miracle
[08:38] <pitti> dholbach: so I added a loop which converts the string set from BugList to a set of ints
[08:38] <Mithrandir> still, it should use a comparison function and see that they're the same?
[08:38] <pitti> dholbach: but that could really bite other apps, too
[08:38] <dholbach> pitti: please let thekorn know, so we can get it in with the API changes
[08:38] <pitti> Mithrandir: apparenty set collapsing uses identity, not equivalence
[08:38] <pitti> I'm not sure whether this is a feature or a bug, though
[08:39] <dholbach> we will have to find out :)
[08:39] <Mithrandir> buture, I'd call it. :-P
[08:39] <pitti> dholbach: yeah, I'll write a bug
[08:39] <lifeless>  prefer fug
[08:42] <pitti> dholbach: btw, would you mind blessing me to a bughelper developer? would avoid always annoying you or mvo with merging/uploading a p-lp-bugs fix
[08:43] <dholbach> pitti: blessing?
[08:43] <Mithrandir> pitti: he wants to join yet another team. :-P
[08:43] <pitti> dholbach: joining the team for getting push access to the main branch
[08:43] <pitti> Mithrandir: s/pitti:/dholbach:/?
[08:43] <dholbach> gosh
[08:44] <Mithrandir> pitti: yeah, nicks are hard in the morning.
[08:44] <dholbach> I thought you were part of the team already
[08:44] <dholbach> done
[08:44] <pitti> dholbach: only of the team that can actually upload and screw up the package :-) but I'd rather not have the main branch get of of sync
[08:44] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: but he who dies being on the most teams wins!
[08:45] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you can also win if you transcend, I thought.
[08:45] <dholbach> how many emblems do YOU have? ;-)
[08:45] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: transcend hey?
[08:45] <Mithrandir> dholbach: only 18. :-P
[08:46] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I believe you did not catch the reference.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you're correct, i didnt.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i dont know all of your earth-references.
[08:46] <Mithrandir> it's a nethack reference
[08:46] <Hobbsee> ahh
[08:47] <dholbach> 28, muhuhuahhahaha ;-)
[08:47] <Hobbsee> awww, only 17 here with emblems.  24 teams, directly and indirectly
[08:47] <Mithrandir> I have a couple without emblems too, but nowhere near Daniel's level.
[08:48] <StevenK> Gee, I'm only 13 emblems.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> dholbach: the more emblems you have, the more reviews and sponsorships you have to do.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> dholbach: so get going!
[08:48] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:48] <mdke_> morning all
[08:48] <Hobbsee> morning mdke!
[08:48] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I did a bunch of reviews already :)
[08:49] <Hobbsee> dholbach: not enougH :P
[08:49] <pitti> dholbach: ok, I gave a detailled explanation in bug 123933
[08:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123933 in python-launchpad-bugs "BugList should return a set of int, not string" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123933
[08:49] <dholbach> pitti: you rock
[08:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:49] <LaserJock> hi mdke 
[09:05] <mdke> dholbach: would you try and do an ubuntu-docs upload today from our trunk? We haven't done one yet, and it would be nice just to get something uploaded, even if only to fix bug 121810. I haven't tested anything but it should work since not much has happened since the feisty release
[09:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121810 in ubuntu-docs "Gutsy has Feisty documentation" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121810
[09:06] <dholbach> mdke: yes, will doo
[09:06] <mdke> thanks
[09:06] <dholbach> de rien
[09:07] <StevenK> pitti: Right, my hacks for curl don't work.
[09:07] <pitti> StevenK: :(
[09:07] <pitti> StevenK: so, we'll solve the problem with buildd horse power then?
[09:07] <StevenK> pitti: Looks like.
[09:08] <StevenK> pitti: If that it's the case, we should revert my last 2 changes for curl, too.
[09:08] <pitti> StevenK: in which direction would it be easier? towards soname 3 or 4?
[09:08] <StevenK> 3, since that's where Debian has landed.
[09:09] <StevenK> And there are slightly less to do.
[09:09] <pitti> ok
[09:09] <pitti> StevenK: yeah, so the package should be reverted back to only have the build dep change
[09:09] <StevenK> pitti: Right.
[09:14] <StevenK> pitti: I'll do that tonight, and start making a list of the rebuilds.
[09:26] <dholbach> hey seb128
[09:26] <seb128> hi dholbach
[09:26] <Hobbsee> morning seb128 
[09:26] <seb128> hello Hobbsee
[09:27] <ion_> you.find_all {|person| not person.idle? }.each {|person| hello person }
[09:28] <dholbach> mdke: hum... looks like a stuff went missing - I'll make sure to use trunk, but re-add all the debian/ changes
[09:28] <dholbach> mdke: looks like feisty and trunk were not in sync
[09:28] <mdke> dholbach: I thought that I'd synched everything, but I suppose I may have missed something... What isn't working?
[09:29] <dholbach> mdke: looks like debian/ changes gfrom 7.03.2 on are missing
[09:29] <dholbach> mdke: in changelog, control, copyright and rules
[09:30] <dholbach> ok, remove copyright from the list - that was a valid change
[09:30] <mdke> ouch
[09:31] <dholbach> I fixed it
[09:31] <mdke> thanks
[09:31] <dholbach> I'll send you the patch
[09:31] <mdke> :)
[09:34] <dholbach> mdke: disregard the mail I just sent
[09:35] <mdke> ok
[09:41] <dholbach> mdke: sent you another mail - this time it should be fine
[09:41] <mdke> thanks :)
[09:41] <dholbach> uploaded the package too
[09:45] <mdke> dholbach: can't seem to apply the patch...
[09:45] <dholbach> uh?
[09:45] <dholbach> it should apply to trunk
[09:45] <mdke> lemme paste
[09:46] <mdke> you updated your copy of trunk right?
[09:46] <dholbach> yes
[09:47] <mdke> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28461/
[09:47] <mdke> disregard lines 15-17
[09:47] <dholbach> patch -p1 < .......?
[09:48] <dholbach> is that a clean checkout of trunk?
[09:48] <mdke> I'll check
[09:48] <mdke> ugh
[09:49] <mdke> I must have done the sync myself in local and forgotten to upload it
[09:49] <mdke> works now, sorry about that
[09:49] <dholbach> ok super
[09:50] <dholbach> *phew*
[09:50] <dholbach> I just thought I might have uploaded the wrong branch or something ;-)
[09:50] <mdke> :)
[09:51] <mdke> thanks for your help dholbach 
[09:58] <dholbach> anytime
[10:00] <pitti> StevenK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/ -> now generated daily at 0:00 and 12:00
[10:01] <Fujitsu> libcurl4-dev can be killed without any changes, can't it?
[10:08] <StevenK> pitti: Excellent.
[10:08] <StevenK> pitti: ~pitti/tmp/cruft has ceased to exist, too?
[10:08] <pitti> StevenK: let me delete it, it's obsolete
[10:09] <StevenK> pitti: While you're deleting stuff, purge libcurl4-dev from the archive? It's NBS, and it may negatively impact on this mass rebuild.
[10:09] <pitti> StevenK: *flush*
[10:09] <StevenK> pitti: Thanks
[10:10] <StevenK> pitti: Sorry for all this confusion, I feel dreadful for not picking up on the versioned symbols thing. :-/
[10:11] <pitti> StevenK: no worries, nobody thought about this
[10:22] <pitti> ScottK: pinentry promoted
[10:26] <StevenK> pitti: curl uploaded. The 0:00 and 12:00 for NBS re-generation is UTC?
[10:26] <pitti> StevenK: it's drescher time, which is BST
[10:27] <StevenK> Which is UTC, at this point.
[10:27] <pitti> StevenK: no, other hemisphere ;)
[10:27] <pitti> StevenK: UTC+1 from March to October, UTC otherwise
[10:28] <StevenK> I knew that, hence why I said "at this point" :-)
[10:30] <pitti> StevenK: hm, I thought "at this point" == "now"
[10:30] <StevenK> Now as in this time of year. :-)
[10:31] <pitti> so, drescher is at UTC+1 now
[10:31] <StevenK> TZ=BST == TZ=UTC here
[10:31] <pitti> that would be weird
[10:32] <StevenK> Oh wait, it's because TZ=BST doesn't exist, and date is braindead
[10:33] <dholbach> doko_: how do I use java web start in ubuntu? do we have that?
[10:34] <pitti> seb128: ^ I don't want to source NEW this myself, so maybe you can get to it today?
[10:34] <doko_> dholbach: it should be there
[10:34] <dholbach> doko_: how do I start it? where do I get it from?
[10:34] <crimsun> Applications> Internet> Sun Java foo Web Start
[10:35] <dholbach> hum, then I don't have it - do you know which package it is in?
[10:35] <seb128> pitti: I just uploaded gtksourceview2, which is basically a gtksourceview new version with API,ABI changes which they versioned so it doesn't conflict with the previous one ... maybe you want to look at this one in exchange ? ;)
[10:35] <seb128> pitti: I don't expect problems since we already have gtksourceview and that's rather a new version
[10:35] <pitti> seb128: sure, my pleasure
[10:35] <seb128> cool
[10:35] <seb128> looking a editmoin
[10:36] <crimsun> dholbach: sun-java[56] -bin
[10:37] <dholbach> crimsun: i have both installed
[10:37] <dholbach> maybe I'm blind
[10:37] <crimsun> dholbach: /usr/share/applications/sun-java5-javaws.desktop?
[10:38] <dholbach> nope
[10:38] <crimsun> dholbach: (on gutsy, BTW)
[10:38] <dholbach> yes, on gutsy too
[10:38] <seb128> sun-java6-bin: /usr/share/applications/sun-java6-javaws.desktop
[10:41] <pitti> seb128: wow, 1.90.1 -> 1.90.2 had a soname change?
[10:41] <seb128> pitti: no, 1.8.5 -> 1.90.1 had
[10:42] <seb128> pitti: 1.90.1 has been prepared by a contributor but he didn't rename things correctly so I did cleanup while updating
[10:42] <pitti> seb128: do you need that in main? why do we still need the old version?
[10:42] <pitti> aah
[10:42] <seb128> pitti: yes, we need that in main, old version ... we can move it to universe or drop it when applications have been ported to the new API
[10:43] <pitti> gedit
[10:43] <pitti> gnome-python-desktop
[10:43] <pitti> gnome-python-extras
[10:43] <pitti> screem
[10:43] <pitti> ok, not that many
[10:43] <seb128> gedit is already ported
[10:43] <pitti> seb128: ok, thanks
[10:43] <seb128> gnome-python-* upstream will do it most likely
[10:43] <seb128> I'll have a look at what screem is doing
[10:43] <seb128> I expect we will move the old one or drop it before gutsy
[10:44] <dholbach> go java go!
[10:45] <dholbach> crimsun, doko_, seb128: thanks it exists on i386, but not on amd64
[10:45] <seb128> dholbach: what an idea to use amd64 ;)
[10:46] <seb128> pitti: editmoin accepted
[10:46] <pitti> yay
[10:46] <pitti> seb128: gtksourceview2 accepted
[10:47] <seb128> danke :)
[10:47] <pitti> someone please file an apport crash bug, I want to check a new toy :)
[10:53] <gnomefreak> pitti: just file bug on app that crashes and sends report to LP?
[10:53] <pitti> Mithrandir: hm, has MoM been stopped? it hasn't updated since yesterday apparently
[10:54] <pitti> gnomefreak: I can file a demo bug, too, but maybe someone has something useful :)
[10:55] <gnomefreak> let me see if firefox still crashes and you can have it :)
[11:01] <gnomefreak> pitti: i gotr tbird to crash but apport tells me i dont have enough memory to report it safe to just upload crash report
[11:02] <pitti> gnomefreak: ok, nevermind; thanks
[11:02] <gnomefreak> sorry
[11:03] <pitti> np :)
[11:03] <pitti> gnomefreak: you see, the very best that could happen is when nobody would report a crash any more. ever. :)
[11:03] <gnomefreak> true :)
[11:03] <seb128> pitti: opinion on bug #123860?
[11:03] <pitti> and in the other 1-10^(-10) range of probability I'll get one sooner or later
[11:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123860 in apache "please remove from archive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123860
[11:04] <pitti> seb128: ah, have all rdepends now been removed/fixed? cool
[11:04] <pitti> seb128: indeed geser and I have worked on that
[11:05] <pitti> seb128: hm, checkrdepends is next to unusuable, since there are so many alternative dependencies
[11:06] <seb128> right, I was running it, there is still quite some things listed there
[11:06] <pitti> seb128: but we can just kick it out of the archive and then use apt-cache unmet to fix/delete the remaining ones
[11:07] <seb128> pitti: k, let's do it
[11:07] <seb128> Debian removed it
[11:07] <pitti> yay! it took long enough to get rid of it, but finally \o/
[11:07] <seb128> :)
[11:13] <pitti> * debian/rules: remove symlink-dupes bits.
[11:13] <pitti> dholbach: ^ not necessary any more? the changelog doesn't have a rationale
[11:14] <Mithrandir> pitti: unsure, I can check after I've eaten some breakfast
[11:14] <dholbach> pitti: trunk did not contain it anymore
[11:15] <Mithrandir> pitti: I think removing a1 at this point is fine; Debian has already done so.
[11:15] <pitti> seb128: weird, there's no gutsy-changes@ mail for editmoin, but it seems to be getting published now
[11:15] <pitti> Mithrandir: I agree
[11:16] <seb128> hum
[11:16] <seb128> pitti, keescook: apache removed now
[11:16] <keescook> neato
[11:16] <keescook> thanks!
[11:16] <thom> yay
[11:17] <seb128> ;)
[11:17] <Mithrandir> PARTY!
[11:17] <Mithrandir> :-)
[11:18] <seb128> pitti: editmoin accepted, I did a typo before and didn't notice, thanks for mentionning it ;)
[11:43] <seb128> dholbach: 
[11:43] <seb128>  o sng: sng
[11:43] <seb128>    [Reverse-Build-Depends: human-icon-theme] 
[11:44] <dholbach> seb128: hm?
[11:44] <seb128> dholbach: could you have a look at why human-icon-theme Build-Depends on sng and either make it not or file a MIR?
[11:44] <seb128> dholbach: sng wants to go to main because of human-icon-theme
[11:45] <seb128> and the current build "Dependency wait"
[11:45] <dholbach> ok, I'll try to find out who synced that
[11:45] <seb128> you talked with Riddell I think
[11:45] <seb128> and you agreed that Debian merged all the changes
[11:47] <dholbach> I did not agree
[11:47] <dholbach> Riddell said that the only thing that was different is the changelog
[11:47] <dholbach> anyway
[11:47] <dholbach> ...
[11:48] <dholbach> I'll fix it
[11:48] <dholbach> the branch wasn't updated either
[11:51] <seb128> dholbach: k, thanks ;)
[11:52] <Riddell> dholbach: you still need to merge tangerine-icon-theme
[11:53] <dholbach> Riddell: ok
[11:53] <seb128> Toadstool: xfce4-cellmodem-plugin debian/Copyright has a "GNU Library General Public License for more details", why is the "Library" mentionned there, the software is under GPL
[11:59] <seb128> Tonio_: do you want kaffeine-gstreamer to main? In which case you need to get it seeded or have something depending on it
[11:59] <Riddell> ogra or whoever: what's the password that's equivalent to a blank password?
[12:00] <ogra> Riddell, "U6aMy0wojraho" i think
[12:00] <Mithrandir> ogra: that's correct.
[12:03] <Tonio_> seb128: hum, the point is that unfortunatelly we need xine for amarok, so let's use kaffeine-xine in the first place maybe...
[12:03] <Tonio_> seb128: if amarok would have been gstreamer capabe, i would have say yes, but that'll have to wait for kde4 I guess
[12:04] <seb128> Tonio_: so you want kaffeine-gstreamer moved to universe?
[12:04] <Tonio_> seb128: yep
[12:05] <Tonio_> seb128: wasn't it already demoted ? thought it was for a very long time
[12:05] <seb128> Tonio_: it's listed on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[12:06] <Tonio_> hum right, so yes, you can demote it to universe, no pb
[12:06] <seb128> Mithrandir, pitti: should be better demote a binary from a main package or add them to supported? 
[12:11] <dholbach> seb128: fixed
[12:12] <seb128> dholbach: danke ;)
[12:18] <Mithrandir> seb128: depends on what it is; if there's no point in keeping it in main, just demote it
[12:22] <seb128> Mithrandir: I don't like much splitting binaries from a same package between main and universe, that often creates problems for users
[12:22] <seb128> it happens quite often that they enable -updates for main only by example
[12:22] <Mithrandir> which package is this?
[12:23] <seb128> which one? the one we received quite some bugs about was totem-xine
[12:23] <Mithrandir> nah, the one you're wondering if you should demote or not
[12:24] <seb128> I'm looking at the component-mismatches.txt list
[12:24] <seb128> no special example
[12:24] <seb128> take kaffeine-gstreamer for example if you want
[12:26] <seb128> Mithrandir: well, that's not likely a problem for most of them if they don't force Depends
[12:26] <seb128> it was for totem-xine because totem-mozilla has a versionned Depends
[12:27] <seb128> and the totem-mozilla update from main was breaking without universe (no match totem-xine to upgrade)
[12:33] <dholbach> Riddell: done
[12:53] <pitti> seb128: for innocent packages I prefer to have them seeded, for the reasons you described
[12:53] <pitti> seb128: only if it would introduce complex dependencies or is particularly hard to maintain, we should demote it
[12:58] <seb128> pitti: ok, I've the same opinion
[01:32] <Tonio_> dholbach: fyi, I just packaged the latest kdebluetooth, with dbus support
[01:32] <Tonio_> dholbach: not everything works of course, but you won't have to patch bluez-utils anymore :)
[01:33] <Tonio_> dholbach: we'll probably include it soon to the archives, needs discussing intoday's meeting
[01:51] <keescook> pitti: can you check on the sanity of php-imap and php-mcrypt ?  I can't find the builds, but the source was accepted.  I'm assuming it's still caught in some archive blacklist?
[01:52] <pitti> keescook: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-imap/5.2.3-0ubuntu1 -> that looks fine?
[01:52] <pitti> keescook: it didn't build yet
[01:53] <pitti> dholbach: yay, I could finally upload a p-lp-bugs bug fix myself \o/
[01:53] <keescook> pitti: ah!  there seems to be some kind of dead-time between upload and a build showing the state "Pending".  :)  i'm too impatient.  :)
[01:53] <pitti> keescook: source needs to get published first
[01:53] <pitti> keescook: i. e. at about 40 minutes past the hour
[01:54] <keescook> okay.  sorry for the noise.  :)
[01:54] <pitti> no problem
[01:55] <Fujitsu> pitti: Doesn't publisher run at about 3 minutes past?
[01:56] <pitti> Fujitsu: it starts at that time, right, and finishes around 40 past
[01:56] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[01:56] <Fujitsu> That's... fairly long.
[01:56] <pitti> indeed :/
[01:56] <Fujitsu> I saw some binaries published at about 4 minutes past a few hours ago...
[01:56] <pitti> but we'll get "build from accepted" soon, which will speed up the process considerably
[01:57] <Fujitsu> We had build-from-accepted, but didn't it get turned off because it stuffed up changelog-closes-bugs?
[01:57] <pitti> Fujitsu: they might be shown as that in the launchpad UI, but not on archive.u.c.
[01:57] <pitti> Fujitsu: right
[01:57] <Fujitsu> Ah. Right, that makes sense.
[01:59] <Mithrandir> we haven't had build-from-accepted with soyuz.
[01:59] <Tonio_> seb128: is there a maintainance or something on the archives ?
[02:00] <seb128> Tonio_: what do you mean?
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir: I saw a comment saying it was turned off shortly after 1.1.6 was released, because it broke things.
[02:00] <Tonio_> seb128: I have strange issues in pbuilder, packages are downloaded but then apt complains size missmatch
[02:00] <Tonio_> seb128: also happens on a clean and new chroot...
[02:00] <seb128> Tonio_: change your mirror maybe?
[02:01] <Tonio_> seb128: well I use the standard, but yeah, I can try with fr.
[02:01] <Tonio_> seb128: will let you know if the error also occurs there
[02:01] <seb128> ok
[02:07] <pitti> hey rodarvus 
[02:07] <rodarvus> hey pitti :)
[02:08] <rodarvus> nice to see you!
[02:12] <pitti> rodarvus: and you! how's life?
[02:12] <dholbach> Tonio_: rock on! - do we need the bluez-utils patch then still?
[02:13] <dholbach> pitti: rock on!
[02:14] <Tonio_> dholbach: not with this one
[02:14] <Tonio_> dholbach: but it'll take a bit of time to get it in
[02:14] <Tonio_> dholbach: hopefully that'll be done or feisty
[02:14] <dholbach> ah ok
[02:14] <Tonio_> dholbach: there is a big bunch of bugs, upstream wants to fix them in the next 2 weeks, and we have a li to get in main
[02:15] <Tonio_> dholbach: maybe in about one month it'll be in
[02:15] <dholbach> alright
[02:15] <dholbach> cheers
[02:15] <Tonio_> that'll be for for "gutsy" sorry ;)
[02:15] <dholbach> *nod* :)
[02:16] <Tonio_> dholbach: first thing is to write a MIR I guess :)
[02:24] <Tonio_> seb128: I can confirm the issue on all mirrors
[02:24] <Tonio_> seb128: all the corrupted packages seems to come out of the kdepim src package
[02:25] <seb128> Tonio_: maybe something on your machine, broken RAM or something
[02:25] <seb128> did anybody else complained about that?
[02:25] <Tonio_> seb128: not yet, but I cannot reproduce with any other build, that's what looks strange to me...
[02:26] <Tonio_> seb128: it only concerns a very specific set of debs
[02:26] <seb128> Tonio_: which ones?
[02:26] <Tonio_> seb128: all debs produced by kdepim src package...
[02:26] <Tonio_> seb128: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:3.5.7-1ubuntu4
[02:27] <Tonio_> seb128: this version, which builds succesfully
[02:29] <Tonio_> seb128: hum works with apt.... that's probably a local problem with pbuilder, even if I can't figure out what is the problem....
[02:29] <Tonio_> seb128: no need to waste time on that point
[02:51] <gicmo> ALTER-S
[02:54] <seb128> gicmo: Alter!
[02:54] <seb128> pitti: can you have a look to pygtksourceview in NEW, it should be trivial
[02:55] <pitti> seb128: doing
[02:55] <StevenK> pitti: 37 ubuntu/curl-cruft/src-list
[02:55] <seb128> pitti: can you also consider it for main directly? I've started writting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPygtksourceview but there is not a lot to write, it's a trivial binding package and it's NEW
[02:56] <StevenK> pitti: That's discounting stuff like openoffice and apt, but covers about 95% of them.
[02:56] <pitti> seb128: don't bother, it's just a new upstream version; I already put the source into main
[02:56] <pitti> StevenK: that means 37 rebuilds? that's not too bad after all
[02:56] <StevenK> pitti: Right.
[02:56] <pitti> seb128: ah, *py*gtksourceview; yes, I'll have a look
[02:57] <pitti> seb128: so you already binary-NEWed gtksourceview2?
[02:57] <seb128> pitti: yes ;)
[02:57] <pitti> seb128: is this going into Debian? I don't like -1 uploads into Ubuntu
[02:58] <seb128> pitti: well, I think it'll go one day in Debian, I'm not working on it for Debian though
[02:59] <pitti> seb128: could you rename it to -0ubuntu1?
[02:59] <seb128> pitti: they will need to get gtksourceview2 first
[02:59] <StevenK> pitti: What's worse is it's over half a gig of packed and unpacked source.
[02:59] <pitti> StevenK: eww
[02:59] <pitti> StevenK: we should do that in the DC then
[02:59] <seb128> pitti: there will be a new version before Debian gets it for pretty sure but if you want, sure
[02:59] <pitti> StevenK: even without OO.o?
[02:59] <pitti> seb128: hm, point
[02:59] <StevenK> pitti: Correct, even without OO.o
[02:59] <pitti> seb128: but still, common practice and all that
[03:00] <StevenK> 557Mb
[03:00] <seb128> pitti: well, we package it first, there is no reason we can't use -1 ;)
[03:00] <StevenK> pitti: Uploading it is okay, since most if not all of them aren't native.
[03:00] <pitti> StevenK: if you don't want to download that, can you check which ones can do with a mere no-change rebuild? I'll do these in the DC with a script then
[03:00] <seb128> pitti: do you reject this one? I'll reupload using 0ubuntu1
[03:00] <pitti> seb128: yes, I will
[03:00] <pitti> seb128: it looks fine otherwise
[03:00] <StevenK> pitti: I already have downloaded them all
[03:01] <seb128> pitti: cool
[03:01] <StevenK> pitti: It's quite alright, telling you for information purposes. :-)
[03:01] <pitti> StevenK: oh dear, poor Australian internet straw
[03:01] <StevenK> pitti: Don't remind me. :-P
[03:02] <Hobbsee> pitti: dont you have a go at the shoestring, else it may break!
[03:02] <StevenK> :-P
[03:03] <Hobbsee> pitti: you have a phone.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:03] <pitti> hey, all my packets fly through the air and are occasionally eaten by birds, rain, etc., so I feel with you :)
[03:03] <StevenK> pitti: I'm tempted to test build all 37 of them, but that might take all night.
[03:03] <pitti> StevenK: that's what we have buildds for :)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> pitti: dont let Mithrandir hear you say that...
[03:04] <StevenK> Heh
[03:04] <pitti> StevenK: for such mass transitions it's generally accepted to throw them at the buildds and clean up after the one or two that fail afterwards
[03:04] <Hobbsee> pitti: he decided to have a go at me during Developer Weather Report over that one...
[03:04] <StevenK> pitti: Aye.
[03:04] <pitti> Hobbsee: developer time >> buildd time
[03:04] <Hobbsee> pitti: right.  i'm using that as my rationale next time.
[03:04] <StevenK> I didn't think I was smart enough to be a developer. :-P
[03:05] <pitti> hm?
[03:05] <StevenK> pitti: That hm is for me or Hobbsee?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> for you, StevenK 
[03:06] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: If I came across that way, I apologise.  I meant you should test build when you've done changes to the package.  If it's just a rebuild for a transition where you believe there is no breakage involved in the rebuild, it's less important to test first.
[03:06] <pitti> StevenK: still trying to interpret your sentence
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: :)
[03:06] <StevenK> pitti: It parses correctly for me..
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: why bouncing?
[03:06] <seb128> pitti: 0ubuntu1 uploaded
[03:07] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: just in general.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: fair enough
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i dont test build when i'm fairly certain that it wont fail.
[03:07] <StevenK> I always test build.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: mind you, i never said that you having a go at me over not test building was not warranted...
[03:09] <StevenK> 1.8G. Much better.
[03:09] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: heh. :-P
[03:09] <Mithrandir> ouch
[03:09] <pitti> why is she always so violent to our feet?
[03:09] <Mithrandir> bad Hobbsee!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> pitti: because people didnt seem to like being kicked in the shins.
[03:10] <StevenK> Heh
[03:10] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: while we like that you stomp our feet?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> well...
[03:11] <Hobbsee> pitti: violence is the solution to any problem!  :P
[03:11] <Hobbsee> unless it's against me.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> unless it's used against me.
[03:12] <pitti> seb128: accepted
[03:12] <seb128> pitti: thank you!
[03:13] <pitti> de rien
[03:13] <seb128> now I can update gedit ;)
[03:13] <pitti> seb128: oh, gedit is written in python now? :)
[03:13] <seb128> pitti: only plugins ;)
[04:08] <ccm> can somebody tell me please whats the console command to launch the disk analyzer?
[04:09] <ccm> think it crashes on tribe-2 but i only find the icon
[04:09] <ccm> and want to investigate on the command line
[04:09] <cjwatson> ccm: clarify "disk analyzer"?
[04:11] <Fujitsu> ccm: baobab?
[04:12] <ion_> stevenk: I recommend keychain
[04:12] <Mithrandir> StevenK: echo use-agent >> ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[04:12] <Mithrandir> then log in again.
[04:12] <StevenK> Let's just say I have 37 uploads to sign, and the thought of having to type my > 20 character passphrase 74 times doesn't appeal.
[04:14] <Keybuk> I hope you weren't so lazy testing them ;-)
[04:14] <Keybuk> why do you have to type it 74 times, anyway?
[04:14] <StevenK> Signing the .changes and .dsc
[04:14] <Keybuk> ah, of course
[04:14] <Keybuk> (I've used gnome-gpg for so long, it's been years since I signed one directly :p)
[04:15] <StevenK> mMithrandir: Which means it will prompt once and remember the passphrase?
[04:15] <StevenK> s/^m//
[04:15] <Mithrandir> StevenK: AIUI, yes
[04:20] <ccm> cjwatson/ Fujitsu: it seems to be baobab, thank you 
[04:22] <StevenK> Mithrandir: gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session
[04:23] <Mithrandir> what is $GPG_AGENT_INFO set to?
[04:23] <Mithrandir> you might need to eval `gpg-agent`
[04:24] <StevenK> Hrm. Command not found.
[04:24] <ion_> With it, each session shares the same instance(s) of the agents.
[04:24] <ion_> So you need to type the password even less.
[04:24] <Mithrandir> ion_: no, it doesn't, not when you're not using the stock gpg agent, nor the stock ssh agent.
[04:27] <ion_> Well, there are many ways to configure the system so that keychain doesnt work. :-)
[04:27] <cjwatson> err, x11-common ships an ssh-agent session script itself, and gnupg-agent ships a gpg-agent session script
[04:27] <cjwatson> you don't need keychain to get that feature
[04:27] <ion_> Agents started that way arent shared between sessions.
[04:27] <ion_> which is the point of keychain.
[04:28] <cjwatson> oh, between X sessions not between terminal sessions. OK.
[04:28] <cjwatson> that might help me deal with agents in chroots more elegantly
[04:29] <StevenK> Sigh. I can't script it because pinentry-curses is brain-damaged
[04:29] <ion_> Keychain starts the agents once and they keep running until stopped or the system is halted. No matter how you login to the box, you environment always points to the same agents.
[04:33] <iwj> The cmos clock in this laptop is very very confused.
[04:33] <iwj> /dev/sda4 has gone 49710 days ...
[04:33] <mjg59> iwj: Is that immediately after install?
[04:34] <elmo> we get that immediately after every netboot install we do, ATM
[04:34] <Hobbsee> greetings mjg59, elmo 
[04:34] <mjg59> It's something to do with the timezone changing during the install
[04:35] <iwj> mjg59: t
[04:35] <iwj> This is from a gutsy CD with no networking.
[04:35] <iwj> 49710 days is rather more than a timezone.
[04:35] <mjg59> What I think it /actually/ means is "/dev/sda4 has gone -1 hours"
[04:35] <iwj> 49710*86400
[04:35] <iwj> 4294944000
[04:35] <iwj> So I now see.
[04:36] <geser> pitti: re apache: I've got a list with the remaining apache rdepends and their Debian bugs about it
[04:36] <mjg59> Quite why fsck is doing unsigned arithmetic, I'm not sure
[04:38] <StevenK> geser: I was planning on filing a large removal request for apache modules with no rdepends.
[04:39] <geser> StevenK: what happens if the Debian maintainer decides to build it with apache2 (if possible)?
[04:39] <cjwatson> mjg59: possibly suggests that the CMOS clock is failing in such a way that it's zero on initial boot until you get NTP going?
[04:40] <StevenK> geser: For some of the modules I can't see it happening, and it only means they hit NEW if the Debian maintainer does.
[04:41] <geser> ok, are you interested on my list for the rdepends with their Debian bug numbers?
[04:41] <StevenK> geser: I have my own list of the rdepends.
[04:43] <StevenK> pitti: All 37 libcurl4 rebuilds uploaded.
[04:43] <pitti> StevenK: yay, thanks
[04:44] <StevenK> pitti: No problem. I think I might kill someone if Debian handles another transition like this one. :-)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> StevenK: now now.  killing people is BAD.
[04:45] <geser> will those libcurl4 transitions debs be removed again?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> StevenK: else let me kill the people at work, dammit!
[04:48] <StevenK> geser: They have been already, if you'd checked.
[04:48] <StevenK> Hobbsee: :-P
[04:52] <mjg59> cjwatson: No, I get it on known good hardware
[04:52] <StevenK> pitti: Did you NBS libcurl4{,-gnutls} (again)?
[04:53] <cjwatson> mjg59: can't think why else mkfs would set the modtime to -1
[04:53] <mjg59> cjwatson: No, it's set it to one hour ahead of the current time
[04:53] <cjwatson> oh I see, ok
[04:54] <cjwatson> yes, it's tricky because of (a) ordering of bits of the install and (b) the hardware clock isn't actually set in the installer at all
[04:55] <cjwatson> I think the fix should be some combination of clobbering mkfs to adjust the mtime it sets, and clobbering the boot scripts to do hardware clock vs. fsck in the right order (which is tricky)
[04:55] <mjg59> cjwatson: I suspect that the easiest thing to do would just make fsck do it with signed values and ignore negative numbers
[05:09] <asac> Keybuk: Mithrandir ... do you know anything about the origin of our 05-debian-backend patch in NM? e.g. when and where did it first appear? I don't find anything in changelog
[05:09] <Mithrandir> asac: written partially by Scott and partially by me.
[05:10] <asac> good ... look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28497/ lines 74,81 ... or lines 94,101
[05:10] <asac> what is that hunk for? whatever it does ... the outcome should completely undeterministic
[05:11] <Mithrandir> uh, unsure
[05:11] <Mithrandir> I don't think I wrote that bit of the code.
[05:11] <asac> yeah ;)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> or if you did, you're nto claiming it!
[05:11] <Mithrandir> it'd be easy enough to check if I did.
[05:12] <asac> how?
[05:12] <Keybuk> asac: that's the meat of our patch
[05:12] <asac> funny thing is I don't find any bug that has a message that is outputted there ... so it looks like the code is never used?
[05:12] <asac> hehe
[05:12] <Keybuk> the code is used all the time
[05:12] <asac> he ... so what happens if it returns FALSE?
[05:13] <Keybuk> oh. wait a minute
[05:13] <asac> what it definitly will from time to time
[05:13] <Keybuk> sorry, wrong hunk
[05:13] <Mithrandir> it's just dialup bits.
[05:13] <Keybuk> I thought you were referring to the blacklist stuff
[05:13] <asac> no ... lines above
[05:13] <Keybuk> the dial-up bits probably came from Debian unmodified
[05:13] <Keybuk> my apologies
[05:13] <asac> status not initialised
[05:13] <Keybuk> yeah, no idea on that
[05:13] <Keybuk> certainly wasn't me; I never touched dial-up related stuff
[05:14] <asac> another blind spot is 17_avahi_autoipd.patch ... its completely undocumented in changelog
[05:15] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28499/
[05:15] <asac> thats the patch
[05:15] <Mithrandir> that's pitti's code.
[05:15] <asac> pitti: ^^^
[05:18] <asac> pitti: and can we go over the ifup/down bug lets say tomorrow? ... i still cannot follow your reasoning ... at least not for the original bug reporters case.
[05:19] <pitti> asac: right, let's
[05:19] <pitti> asac: however, I did document the patch; maybe it was lost in a merge?
[05:20] <asac> huh
[05:20] <pitti> asac: however, I think we can drop it anyway
[05:20] <asac> when should that --check exit with 0?
[05:20] <asac> i cannot get it exit with zero ;)
[05:20] <ScottK> pitti: Thanks (for pinentry).
[05:20] <Hobbsee> seb128: now, what were you saying to me yesterday....?
[05:20] <geser> StevenK: I got home only an hour ago, so I hadn't time to check it
[05:20] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:20] <pitti> asac: when I wrote it, it seemed that avahi would need avahi-autoipd to work, but n-m's own code should do as well
[05:21] <pitti> asac: it will exit with 0 if autoipd is running on an iface
[05:21] <geser> StevenK: you seem to have much time now to do archive cleanups. Will you work through the apache rdepends or should I do it?
[05:22] <asac> ok ... when do you have a slot tomorrow (1 hour) to look at the ifup/down bug?
[05:22] <StevenK> geser: I'm happy to do it.
[05:22] <asac> pitti: ^^
[05:22] <pitti> asac: I'll do some experiments and check whether we can drop the patch
[05:22] <Hobbsee> geser: see http://people.ubuntu.org.au/~fujitsu/debcheck/
[05:22] <StevenK> I've been doing archive cleanups for a while.
[05:22] <pitti> asac: yes, no problme
[05:22] <asac> pitti: thanks
[05:22] <shirish> ubotu paste
[05:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:22] <asac> pitti: shall i just ping ... or do you prefer some time ... like 8 in the morning ;) ?
[05:23] <pitti> asac: just ping me, I don't have anything special planned for tomorrow
[05:23] <asac> great
[05:23] <crimsun> Keybuk: hi, is it possible to run MoM for selected source packages in main?
[05:23] <pitti> asac: I'll check out the current state of autoipd interaction
[05:24] <shirish> StevenK: I'm sorry to bring it here but I hope you know about http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28503/
[05:24] <Keybuk> crimsun: yes, though why do you need to?
[05:25] <crimsun> Keybuk: I'd like to merge alsa-driver from Sid
[05:25] <StevenK> shirish: They are being taken care of.
[05:26] <shirish> StevenK: ok thanx, just wanted to bring it to your notice, that's all :)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: https://launchpad.net/bugs/124008 too, it looks like
[05:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124008 in curl "libcurl4-openssl no longer exists" [Undecided,New]  
[05:26] <Keybuk> crimsun: what's wrong the the published merge?
[05:27] <crimsun> Keybuk: 1.0.14-1 is the current Sid one; MoM lists 1.0.13-5
[05:27] <shirish> StevenK: there is also this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28504/
[05:28] <shirish> that's gnash in firefox-granparadiso 
[05:28] <geser> shirish: all this should get fixed if all the rebuilds are done and on the archive
[05:28] <Keybuk> crimsun: mom is still updating, probably hasn't updated the html yet
[05:29] <Keybuk> http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/alsa-driver/
[05:29] <Keybuk> has 1.0.14-1
[05:29] <shirish> geser: I am hoping, I didn't want to file a bug as I know things are in transaction
[05:29] <crimsun> Keybuk: ah, ok.  Thanks.
[05:29] <geser> StevenK: I assume bug #123826 can also be closed
[05:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123826 in curl "libcurl3-gnutls gutsy upgrade failed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123826
[05:29] <Keybuk> a big "day" from Debian
[05:30] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Thanks, sorted out.
[05:30] <geser> shirish: ask again if the problem is still there in the next week
[05:30] <Hobbsee> StevenK: no problem
[05:30] <shirish> geser: cool :)
[05:31] <StevenK> geser: Closed.
[05:31] <StevenK> shirish: It looks I missed gnash.
[05:32] <shirish> :)
[05:32] <StevenK> shirish: I'll sort out that now, thank you.
[05:34] <shirish> keep up the good work guys, I'm gonna watch 'Its a beautiful life' for the umpteenth time :)
[05:34] <geser> StevenK: you've also missed gnupg2 (at least LP doesn't show a recent upload)
[05:36] <StevenK> geser: So noted.
[05:38] <StevenK> Heh
[05:39] <sladen> Hobbsee: find real people, they're softer (though they move about more too)
[05:39] <Mithrandir> laptop keyboards are wonderful pillows
[05:40] <Hobbsee> sladen: i think i did at UDS a couple of times...
[05:42] <simira> sladen :) Where are you now?
[05:55] <pitti> asac: I blame Mithrandir; http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.6.3-2ubuntu7/changelog still has my changelog, and the subsequent merge dropped it
[05:56] <pitti> asac: let's restore the 0.6.3-2ubuntu[1-7]  logs on next upload
[06:00] <asac> pitti: cool
[06:01] <seb128> pitti: do you usually merge the changelog entries?
[06:01] <pitti> seb128: yes, of course
[06:01] <asac> seb128: i hope so
[06:01] <seb128> "of course"
[06:01] <seb128> we don't for desktop packages ...
[06:02] <seb128> we just summarize all the change in the merge entry
[06:02] <pitti> well, explaining everything is fine, too
[06:02] <pitti> if that includes bug numbers, etc.
[06:02] <seb128> that's easier to read, easier to merge and there is no need to keep a zillion of old entries
[06:02] <pitti> (I usually do both)
[06:02] <asac> seb128: depends how much development was put into your changes
[06:02] <bhale> Hobbsee: ?
[06:02] <asac> if its really development vs. a one-line bug fix ... having a verbose explanation is good
[06:02] <seb128> asac: well, the summary has explanation for the patches, etc
[06:03] <Hobbsee> bhale: so they cant take photos of me, and use them for talks.
[06:03] <asac> ah ... depends on who made the patches :)
[06:03] <asac> seb128: but then yes
[06:03] <cjwatson> desktop is a historical exception, but standard practice in the rest of the distro is to keep old changelog entries unless syncing with Debian
[06:04] <ScottK> Hobbsee: What package is the bug against?
[06:04] <asac> pitti: bug 124018
[06:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124018 in network-manager "reinstantiate dropped changelog entries on next upload" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124018
[06:04] <Hobbsee> ScottK: kubuntu-meta, i guess
[06:04] <ScottK> OK.
[06:04] <seb128> Hobbsee: hey, I was saying something yesterday?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> ScottK: whichever
[06:04] <pitti> asac: (or summarize the patches)
[06:04] <pitti> asac: thanks
[06:04] <Hobbsee> seb128: a few days ago.  @ gstreamer0.8-swfdec
[06:05] <Hobbsee> seb128: did you see the ping in -bugs? :P
[06:05] <seb128> Hobbsee: yeah, but he left before I replied :p
[06:05] <Hobbsee> seb128: completely coincidently, of course :D
[06:05] <pitti> asac: ok, autoipd patch still works for eth devices, but not for wifi
[06:05] <seb128> indeed ;)
[06:06] <mjg59> cjwatson: I think just adding a cast to line 288 of e2fsck/unix.c would do
[06:07] <asac> pitti: when does avahi step in? recently i had an avahi eth interface after crashing network-manager ... but i usually don't have it
[06:08] <pitti> asac: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/zzz_avahi-autoipd
[06:08] <pitti> asac: i. e. if DHCP times out, dhclient starts avahi-autoipd on that interface to get an IPv4ll address
[06:09] <asac> hmmm ok ... might have been related as networking was completely broken after nm crash .. anyway .. i would have expected to dhclient to just retry
[06:09] <pitti> and a manual 'iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc essid pittinet; dhclient eth1' still works
[06:10] <asac> the outcome was completely broken ... e.g. networking didn't work at all
[06:10] <pitti> asac: n-m starts dhclient with -1, so it won't retry
[06:10] <pitti> so n-m doesn't call dhclient correctly for ad-hoc wifis, as it seems
[06:11] <asac> i don't have wifi
[06:11] <pitti> asac: the idea was to have autoipd kick in if you create a new wireless network (ad-hoc), and thus don't have DHCP
[06:11] <asac> just plain eth
[06:11] <pitti> asac: for that it should work; plug in a cable without a running DHCP server, and you should get an ipv4ll address after 30 seconds (DHCP timeout)
[06:11] <asac> yeah ... for me it brought brokeness ;) ... just because my dhcpd was down for a while
[06:11] <asac> or not reachable ... anyway ... nevermind
[06:11] <pitti> asac: well, it doesn't break the network any further
[06:12] <asac> no idea how i can get back to that state
[06:12] <pitti> asac: if you don't have DHCP, then wit ipv4ll you have at least *some* valid address
[06:12] <pitti> instead of none at all
[06:13] <pitti> asac: hm, it doesn't seem to trigger dhcdbd at all for wifi
[06:13] <asac> hmmm  i am not convinced
[06:13] <pitti> gosh, I'll track that down later
[06:14] <asac> anyway ... i might be wrong :)
[06:14] <pitti> asac: what's your doubt?
[06:14] <asac> my doubt is that i ended up in unusable state
[06:14] <pitti> asac: do you think that having an ipv4ll address is worse than having none?
[06:14] <asac> yeah ... if having none is just temporary
[06:14] <pitti> asac: right, because your DHCP server was down; nothing that n-m could do about fixing that :)
[06:15] <asac> it should not have removed my ip to start with
[06:15] <pitti> asac: when did it remove it?
[06:16] <asac> i have no idea ... network  manager crashed ... ip was removed ... and avahi interface went up
[06:16] <mjg59> cjwatson: Ben Hutchings points out that it looks like older e2fsck versions did this differently
[06:16] <mjg59> Which is probably why we didn't see it in the past
[06:17] <asac> anyway ... its not reproducible
[06:17] <pitti> asac: that very much sounds like this infamous bug 90267 :)
[06:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90267 in network-manager "network-manager stops and restarts already ifup'ed interfaces" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90267
[06:17] <asac> iirc, it happened when i restarted dbus in my gutsy chroot or something
[06:18] <asac> pitti: yeah ... hope it is :) ... lets look at that tomorrow
[06:21] <cjwatson> mjg59: looks plausible, but I think somebody who understands it and has thought it all through should apply that :-)
[06:24] <pitti> asac: I can perfectly reproduce that, and it's easy to do; anyway, tomorrow
[06:25] <dholbach> ogra: new gnome-power-manager
[06:26] <ogra> thanks :)
[06:26] <dholbach> de rien
[06:27] <asac> pitti: i never claimed that the ifup'ed bug doesn't exist :) ... i am just unsure if the initial reporters problem was really due to that bug
[06:27] <geser> StevenK: as you work your way currently through the NBS files: I've already looked at gnome-chemistry-utils (one of the last depends on libgoffice-0-3). g-c-u 0.6 doesn't build with libgoffice-0-4. So it needs either patching or the current stable version g-c-u 0.8 which does.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> geser: it's 2.30am here - he'll be asleep
[06:28] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: unlike you? :-P
[06:29] <geser> Hobbsee: I should install some clock which shows me also the time in .au
[06:29] <Mithrandir> geser: 'TZ=Australia/Sydney date'
[06:30] <sladen> pitti: unable to renew shouldn't (from the user point of view) lead to "break my working config".  On non-flakey networks with silly renew times (eg. 600 seconds) I kill -9 dhclient once I have a working config so that it won't pull the carpet from under my feet the next time it misses 3 packets in a row, on a congested network
[06:30] <sladen> s/non-/known-/
[06:30] <dholbach> use tzwatch :)
[06:30] <ogra> dholbach, wow, you were even faster than the announce mail ;)
[06:30] <Mithrandir> sladen: if the lease expires, it should bring down the interface.
[06:30] <ogra> just got it
[06:30] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: he does slightly saner timezones than i do.  and i had a kubuntu meeting.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i'm a night owl, remember?
[06:31] <dholbach> ogra: I'm not :)
[06:31] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I've noticed
[06:31] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:31] <dholbach> I got the mail before already :)
[06:31] <geser> Hobbsee: you live in the wrong timezone :)
[06:31] <ogra> dholbach, well, then i blame my evo for slowness :P
[06:31] <Hobbsee> geser: i know.  i plan to move to europe at some point in the future.
[06:32] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: hopefully you then won't just switch to hawaii time
[06:32] <sladen> Mithrandir: there's "should" and "should".
[06:32] <geser> Hobbsee: which TZ value should one now use to know when you sleep (you do still sleep, do you?)?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: haha, true
[06:33] <Hobbsee> geser: hell yes, i still sleep.  european time, or so
[06:33] <Hobbsee> maybe berlin time + 4 hours or something
[06:33] <sladen> Hobbsee: move to European.  Less holes in the Ozone layer!
[06:33] <Hobbsee> sladen: the plan is there.  the execution is not.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> sladen: okay, the vague plan is there, the detailed plan and execution is not.
[06:34] <ogra> sladen, she wants to tan a bit before :)
[06:34] <geser> StevenK: but g-c-u 0.8 needs a new openbabel (I've got updated debs for both) but I'm currently stuck at gchempaint (it needs to be updated too because of the new g-c-u)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> ogra: i go red.  ask kgoetz if you want.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> ogra: i dont seem to tan much
[06:34] <geser> StevenK: could you help me with it?
[06:35] <ogra> Hobbsee, ah, well, probably more ozone helps that then :)
[06:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:35] <seb128> ogra: gnome-power-manager 2.19.5 available
[06:35] <Hobbsee> ogra: and i've found out that i dont like keeping on whiting/blacking out due to major dehydration, after said sunburn :P
[06:35] <ogra> seb128, heh, yes, thanks 
[06:36] <sladen> Hobbsee: post degree plan?
[06:36] <ogra> dholbach, seb128's evo is slower *g*
[06:36] <Hobbsee> ogra: i could walk 6 steps - and splat
[06:36] <ogra> seb128, thanks :)
[06:36] <Hobbsee> sladen: yeah, something like that.  i think.  switching degrees anyway, so i may be able to do bits overseas.  *shrugs*
[06:36] <Hobbsee> sladen: havent looked into it
[06:36] <seb128> ogra: not sure, I'm just not sleeping the whole day in front of it ;)
[06:36] <ogra> lol
[06:53] <rexbron> mr_pouit: hey, could you check your email. I sent you a message regarding Murrine
[06:55] <Keybuk> openoffice ... anyone know how to adjust the scale of the chart
[06:55] <Keybuk> if I want it so the X-Axis goes from 0 to 100, whatever the data, how do I do that?
[06:55] <Mithrandir> scale your numbers?
[07:05] <fabbione> cjwatson: what is the installer package in charge to detect disks? When installing, right before you go to the partitioner, there is that sequence of modprobe of different modules..
[07:07] <cjwatson> fabbione: disk-detect
[07:08] <fabbione> cjwatson: thanks
[07:08] <cjwatson> fabbione: and yes, it calls udevtrigger via update-dev in debian-installer-utils.
[07:08] <fabbione> cjwatson: am I blind, but i can't see it in debian/svn ?
[07:08] <fabbione> cjwatson: ok cool then i don't even need to look at it..
[07:09] <cjwatson> fabbione: apt-cache showsrc disk-detect ...
[07:09] <fabbione> point
[07:15] <Keybuk> gnargh, now how do I get OO to print in frickin' Landscape
[07:18] <geser> Keybuk: Format -> Page
[07:18] <Keybuk> geser: ah
[07:19] <Keybuk> I tried the "Portrait"/"Landscape" box in the Print dialog ... silly me
[07:25] <Keybuk> I would do anything for the person who comes up with a decent set of "Office" applications
[07:25] <ion_> vim-latex
[07:26] <ion_> ...suite
[07:26] <pitti> ion_: and latex-beamer!
[07:26] <Keybuk> ion_: sorry, something that involves *less* pain than openoffice
[07:26] <Toadstool> seb128: re xfce4-cellmodem-plugin, I'm a moron, please reject it. I used the same debian dir as the one for xfce4-cddrive-plugin and obviously screwed up big time when I updated debian/copyright. I'd better do something else than packaging sorry for the noise
[07:27] <seb128> Toadstool: it's not that bad, just fix that line and it's good enough ;)
[07:28] <seb128> Toadstool: use the text in /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/licenses/gpl (dh-make)
[07:28] <Toadstool> yep, thanks
[07:37] <LaserJock> cjwatson: available?
[07:37] <cjwatson> LaserJock: sure
[07:47] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/WeeklyTODO needs some applause, I think :)
[07:52] <xxxxx1> heya people
[07:52] <xxxxx1> bug #122852
[07:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122852 in ecryptfs-utils "[gusty gibbon]  Ecryptfs Hangs during file save" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122852
[07:52] <xxxxx1> can someone give a look at this bug?
[07:52] <xxxxx1> is related to gutsy Linux kernel version
[07:52] <xxxxx1> if someone have a suggestion... i'll appreciate
[07:53] <xxxxx1> :)
[07:53] <dholbach> xxxxx1: #ubuntu-kernel maybe?
[07:53] <xxxxx1> dholbach, >:)
[07:53] <xxxxx1> wrong channel, sorry
[07:54] <xxxxx1> heh
[07:54] <dholbach> no problem :)
[08:02] <geser> LaserJock: are you familiar with gnome-chemistry-utils?
[08:03] <LaserJock> yes
[08:03] <LaserJock> I work on it upstream, although that's fairly recent
[08:05] <LaserJock> geser: what do you need?
[08:12] <geser> the current g-c-u in gutsy depend on libgoffice-0-3 which got replaced with libgoffice-0-4
[08:12] <geser> is it ok to update to g-c-u 0.8?
[08:13] <LaserJock> geser: yes, I think so
[08:15] <LaserJock> geser: 0.8.1 is new (even includes some icons I did, scary)
[08:17] <geser> LaserJock: is gchempaint also save to update to gchempaint 0.8.*?
[08:17] <LaserJock> geser: safe?
[08:18] <geser> yes, safe
[08:19] <LaserJock> geser: hmm, well 0.8 is nice, but I'm not sure about the deps
[08:20] <LaserJock> geser: I kinda think that our openbabel isn't higher enough
[08:20] <LaserJock> blah, high enough version
[08:20] <geser> the homepage for gchempaint mentions that 0.6 doesn't build with g-c-u 0.8 so it would be wise to update it also
[08:20] <LaserJock> yeah, I'll ask Jean about that
[08:20] <geser> LaserJock: yes, I needed to update openbabel too
[08:21] <LaserJock> we're working on 0.9 right now
[08:21] <LaserJock> we do the "odd unstable, even stable" versioning
[08:22] <LaserJock> geser: I do know that debian is working on openbabel
[08:22] <geser> and as openbabel changed the soversion to 2, so gchempaint needs at least a rebuild
[08:22] <geser> ok, I try to get in contact with the Debian maintainer
[08:25] <LaserJock> debichem is the place to ask
[08:31] <geser> LaserJock: is http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debichem-devel the right one?
[08:32] <LaserJock> geser: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debichem-devel/2007-June/000073.html
[08:32] <LaserJock> geser: yeah
[08:33] <geser> so I will wait with the whole batch
[09:30] <Chipzz> if I wanted to file a bug I'm sure also applies to debian, where would I file it? launchpad or debian bts?
[09:48] <geser> both? and link them
[09:49] <mpt> Chipzz, what geser said
[10:48] <sladen> our Firefox disable middle-click URL paste patch seems to have been dropped
[11:43] <AlinuxOS> hello doko!
[11:43] <AlinuxOS> ;)