=== didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-b32e19c9868c4362] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter_ [n=till@bl8-122-55.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host81-153-8-121.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-4e079f6b4fe02e56] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-11-180.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario_ is now known as pygi [12:45] that's pygi switching names again :) [12:45] what I did now, what I did now? [12:46] pygi: what you always do :P [12:46] pygi: hi man, what's up? [12:46] cypherbios, nothing much, my head hurts, I had to sent an application for a seminar *yesterday*, failed to do so, have an important exam today and stuff :) [12:46] what about you? [12:47] pygi: less worst than you I guess :D [12:47] hehe [12:48] cypherbios, hehe :) [12:49] cypherbios, will be better one day : [12:49] :P [12:50] pygi: I hope so :) === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-115-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] Ah, crap. === StevenK prepares a fix for curl. [12:59] more curl? [01:00] you're not sick of it yet? [01:00] I am, but I should fix it. :-) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-13.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@canonical/support/mneptok] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] === superm1_ is now known as superm1 [01:44] anyone here use kvm on feisty ? === sn0 would if his cpu supported it :) [01:46] well mine loads the module [01:47] but booting an ubuntu-7.04 iso on it is using 100% cpu and doing squat === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] bywhich I mean its done the ISOLINUX prelude but appears to have hung on kernel load [01:49] silly q lifeless but you are added to the kvm group ? [01:49] yup [01:49] other than that i cant think of anything sorry, willing to accept a cpu to try it though ;) [01:49] (not silly :)) [01:50] i remember seeing something about kvm on the ubuntu wiki but i believe it was just installing, load module, add to group and qemu-img create then run kvm with the iso [01:51] yeah [01:51] its just the basics not debugging === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] on the talk of virtualisation i was having real trouble with vmware + usb pen drives :< [01:54] to get the guest to see them ? === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter_ [n=till@bl8-118-146.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtmoulia [n=jtmoulia@149.142.103.81] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D83DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-84d29f83ddcf3bb9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.78] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Trewas [n=ilonen@raato.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marsu [n=user@83-177-89-9.cust.tele2.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syp| [n=syp@lasigpc9.epfl.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1cf8:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] wow this sven stuff on d-p is interesting, missed it a few months back due to moving [03:18] calc: please, don't read it - stay sane [03:18] ajmitch beat me to it. === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-a5574e0d46dab57e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] is anyone else getting launchpad timeouts? [03:44] siti, gimme a sec [03:44] siti, nop [03:44] siti: I haven't seen any (despite frequent page loads) [03:44] ok, it's when I am submitting a bug.. === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kencur [n=berasken@203.166.204.111] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kencur [n=berasken@203.166.204.111] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.78] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A71ECC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity2 is now known as infinity === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:01] morning === harrisony [n=harrison@unaffiliated/harrisony] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-20-113.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ijuz_ [n=ijuz@p54ABF970.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] greetings, earthlings. [06:30] Greetings, green alien. [06:31] :) [06:31] darn, heno's not here again [06:33] Hobbsee: probably on your starship it's a normal time of the day, but here is 6:30 am === fabbione sends some pagliata to Hobbsee [06:33] fabbione: timezones are for weak humans. [06:33] real people, and aliens ignore timezones! === Hobbsee notes that dict is failing her === Hobbsee checks google [06:35] Hobbsee: the first hit in google is good enough [06:36] fabbione: looks tasty [06:36] for an alien it's lovely [06:37] hehe :) [06:37] even for a human tho ;) [06:37] Hobbsee: i guess you can see that's all the internal of a baby cow... [06:37] yeah [06:37] sounds tasty [06:38] it is [06:39] with lots of red wine is even better :) [06:39] heh [06:39] the stuff i dont drink, yes. [06:39] oh white is ok too [06:39] oh goody. yesterday was payday. === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:59] evening [06:59] hiya LaserJock! [07:01] hi Hobbsee! [07:02] hello LaserJock [07:02] Hi LaserJock. [07:04] hi guys === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=Yasumoto@cpe-75-84-49-174.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@BAA0ac2.baa.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] Fujitsu: stellarium 0.9.0 is already in Debian, we just need a sync request [07:39] LaserJock: I noted that right after I commented. It doesn't seem to build here at the moment, due to the curl breakage. [07:40] ah, I hadn't built it yet, that's why I didn't comment [07:53] It needs archive mangling before it will, too. [07:54] How often does NBS stuff get kicked out? [07:54] When the archive peoples get around to it. [07:55] I need to mention this curl mess to pitti when he gets here, I'll bring it up then. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] Good morning [08:07] Hi pitti. [08:07] morning pitti! === StevenK waves to pitti. === Fujitsu watches StevenK burn to the ground. [08:09] pitti: Bad, bad, bad news. :-( And it's all my fault. :-( [08:10] StevenK: oh? === Hobbsee sprays Fujitsu with the fire hose [08:10] StevenK: the missing Conflicts/Replaces:? [08:10] StevenK: or did libcurl get a new soname over night? :-P [08:10] pitti: That's not bad bad bad news. [08:10] pitti: No, and no. === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] pitti: Worse. Versioned symbols worse! === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.45.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] pitti: libcurl.so.3 doesn't provide a CURL_4 symbol to link against. [08:12] StevenK: erm, I thought it was supposed to, and Debian made it work like .so.4? [08:12] StevenK: that means that everything that links against .so.4 doesn't work ATM? [08:13] pitti: Right. [08:13] pitti: It terms of the Conflicts/Replaces, I uploaded a fix a while ago. [08:14] StevenK: umpf; is that known in Debian, too? [08:14] pitti: But in terms of what to do about this, I think we have two possible solutions. 1) Revert my changes, take the hit and do the rebuilds. 2) Hack our libraries to provide both versions at the same time. [08:15] pitti: I'm not sure, they may not have gone as far through the transition. === tfheen [n=tfheen@aine.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] StevenK: hm, TBH I don't have an idea how to achieve (2) [08:15] hey tfheen [08:15] morning tfheen [08:16] pitti: I do. Apply a patch after configure that plays with libcurl.vers === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] hi pitti [08:17] StevenK: ah, my hero [08:17] pitti: I'm not certain if it will work, though. [08:21] morning Mithrandir, pitti [08:21] hi ajmitch === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7240E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] good morning === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-7da22c846d37f1fe] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] hey dholbach [08:28] hey pitti [08:35] argh, argh, p-lp-bugs [08:35] hi dholbach === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] hey LaserJock [08:35] pitti: hm? [08:35] dholbach: I just thought I'm going crazy [08:36] ok good :) [08:36] set([94694, 103275, 111139] ) + set([94694, 103275, 111139] ) == set([103275, 111139, 111139, 94694, 103275, 94694] ) [08:37] and so on; I got a steadily growing set with duplications of those three elements === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] dholbach: this is a BugList result, btw [08:37] uh, a set with duplicates in it? [08:37] Mithrandir: that's what I thought, too :) [08:37] until I noticed that those are in fact not integers, but strings [08:38] but it took me 20 minutes to resolve that miracle [08:38] dholbach: so I added a loop which converts the string set from BugList to a set of ints [08:38] still, it should use a comparison function and see that they're the same? [08:38] dholbach: but that could really bite other apps, too [08:38] pitti: please let thekorn know, so we can get it in with the API changes [08:38] Mithrandir: apparenty set collapsing uses identity, not equivalence [08:38] I'm not sure whether this is a feature or a bug, though [08:39] we will have to find out :) [08:39] buture, I'd call it. :-P [08:39] dholbach: yeah, I'll write a bug === dholbach hugs pitti [08:39] prefer fug [08:42] dholbach: btw, would you mind blessing me to a bughelper developer? would avoid always annoying you or mvo with merging/uploading a p-lp-bugs fix [08:43] pitti: blessing? [08:43] pitti: he wants to join yet another team. :-P [08:43] dholbach: joining the team for getting push access to the main branch === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] Mithrandir: s/pitti:/dholbach:/? [08:43] gosh [08:44] pitti: yeah, nicks are hard in the morning. [08:44] I thought you were part of the team already [08:44] done [08:44] dholbach: only of the team that can actually upload and screw up the package :-) but I'd rather not have the main branch get of of sync === pitti hugs dholbach, thanks [08:44] Mithrandir: but he who dies being on the most teams wins! [08:45] Hobbsee: you can also win if you transcend, I thought. [08:45] how many emblems do YOU have? ;-) [08:45] Mithrandir: transcend hey? [08:45] dholbach: only 18. :-P [08:46] Hobbsee: I believe you did not catch the reference. [08:46] Mithrandir: you're correct, i didnt. [08:46] Mithrandir: i dont know all of your earth-references. [08:46] it's a nethack reference [08:46] ahh [08:47] 28, muhuhuahhahaha ;-) [08:47] awww, only 17 here with emblems. 24 teams, directly and indirectly [08:47] I have a couple without emblems too, but nowhere near Daniel's level. [08:48] Gee, I'm only 13 emblems. [08:48] dholbach: the more emblems you have, the more reviews and sponsorships you have to do. [08:48] dholbach: so get going! [08:48] :P [08:48] morning all [08:48] morning mdke! [08:48] Hobbsee: I did a bunch of reviews already :) [08:49] dholbach: not enougH :P === dholbach hugs Hobbsee [08:49] dholbach: ok, I gave a detailled explanation in bug 123933 [08:49] Launchpad bug 123933 in python-launchpad-bugs "BugList should return a set of int, not string" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123933 [08:49] pitti: you rock === Hobbsee hugs dholbach [08:49] :) [08:49] hi mdke [09:05] dholbach: would you try and do an ubuntu-docs upload today from our trunk? We haven't done one yet, and it would be nice just to get something uploaded, even if only to fix bug 121810. I haven't tested anything but it should work since not much has happened since the feisty release [09:05] Launchpad bug 121810 in ubuntu-docs "Gutsy has Feisty documentation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121810 [09:06] mdke: yes, will doo [09:06] thanks [09:06] de rien [09:07] pitti: Right, my hacks for curl don't work. [09:07] StevenK: :( [09:07] StevenK: so, we'll solve the problem with buildd horse power then? [09:07] pitti: Looks like. === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] pitti: If that it's the case, we should revert my last 2 changes for curl, too. [09:08] StevenK: in which direction would it be easier? towards soname 3 or 4? [09:08] 3, since that's where Debian has landed. [09:09] And there are slightly less to do. [09:09] ok [09:09] StevenK: yeah, so the package should be reverted back to only have the build dep change [09:09] pitti: Right. [09:14] pitti: I'll do that tonight, and start making a list of the rebuilds. === pitti finally looks into setting up cron'ed cruft checking === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] hey seb128 [09:26] hi dholbach [09:26] morning seb128 [09:26] hello Hobbsee [09:27] you.find_all {|person| not person.idle? }.each {|person| hello person } [09:28] mdke: hum... looks like a stuff went missing - I'll make sure to use trunk, but re-add all the debian/ changes === Hobbsee replaces ion_ with a small shell script [09:28] mdke: looks like feisty and trunk were not in sync [09:28] dholbach: I thought that I'd synched everything, but I suppose I may have missed something... What isn't working? === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] mdke: looks like debian/ changes gfrom 7.03.2 on are missing [09:29] mdke: in changelog, control, copyright and rules [09:30] ok, remove copyright from the list - that was a valid change [09:30] ouch [09:31] I fixed it [09:31] thanks [09:31] I'll send you the patch [09:31] :) [09:34] mdke: disregard the mail I just sent [09:35] ok === shiyee [n=Shiyee@cpe.atm4-0-76673.0x50a713fa.abnxx13.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] mdke: sent you another mail - this time it should be fine [09:41] thanks :) [09:41] uploaded the package too [09:45] dholbach: can't seem to apply the patch... [09:45] uh? [09:45] it should apply to trunk [09:45] lemme paste [09:46] you updated your copy of trunk right? [09:46] yes [09:47] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28461/ [09:47] disregard lines 15-17 [09:47] patch -p1 < .......? [09:48] is that a clean checkout of trunk? [09:48] I'll check [09:48] ugh [09:49] I must have done the sync myself in local and forgotten to upload it [09:49] works now, sorry about that [09:49] ok super [09:50] *phew* [09:50] I just thought I might have uploaded the wrong branch or something ;-) [09:50] :) === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] thanks for your help dholbach [09:58] anytime === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] StevenK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/ -> now generated daily at 0:00 and 12:00 [10:01] libcurl4-dev can be killed without any changes, can't it? === ivoks [n=ivoks@83-131-60-75.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [i=mathiaz@nat/canonical/x-4b31f4dfff45cb95] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] pitti: Excellent. [10:08] pitti: ~pitti/tmp/cruft has ceased to exist, too? [10:08] StevenK: let me delete it, it's obsolete [10:09] pitti: While you're deleting stuff, purge libcurl4-dev from the archive? It's NBS, and it may negatively impact on this mass rebuild. [10:09] StevenK: *flush* [10:09] pitti: Thanks [10:10] pitti: Sorry for all this confusion, I feel dreadful for not picking up on the versioned symbols thing. :-/ [10:11] StevenK: no worries, nobody thought about this === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] ScottK: pinentry promoted === yosch [n=yosch@clrglop207.in2p3.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] pitti: curl uploaded. The 0:00 and 12:00 for NBS re-generation is UTC? [10:26] StevenK: it's drescher time, which is BST [10:27] Which is UTC, at this point. [10:27] StevenK: no, other hemisphere ;) [10:27] StevenK: UTC+1 from March to October, UTC otherwise === StevenK nods. [10:28] I knew that, hence why I said "at this point" :-) [10:30] StevenK: hm, I thought "at this point" == "now" [10:30] Now as in this time of year. :-) [10:31] so, drescher is at UTC+1 now === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] TZ=BST == TZ=UTC here [10:31] that would be weird [10:32] Oh wait, it's because TZ=BST doesn't exist, and date is braindead [10:33] doko_: how do I use java web start in ubuntu? do we have that? === pitti uploads editmoin into universe [10:34] seb128: ^ I don't want to source NEW this myself, so maybe you can get to it today? === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] dholbach: it should be there [10:34] doko_: how do I start it? where do I get it from? [10:34] Applications> Internet> Sun Java foo Web Start [10:35] hum, then I don't have it - do you know which package it is in? [10:35] pitti: I just uploaded gtksourceview2, which is basically a gtksourceview new version with API,ABI changes which they versioned so it doesn't conflict with the previous one ... maybe you want to look at this one in exchange ? ;) [10:35] pitti: I don't expect problems since we already have gtksourceview and that's rather a new version [10:35] seb128: sure, my pleasure [10:35] cool [10:35] looking a editmoin [10:36] dholbach: sun-java[56] -bin [10:37] crimsun: i have both installed [10:37] maybe I'm blind [10:37] dholbach: /usr/share/applications/sun-java5-javaws.desktop? [10:38] nope [10:38] dholbach: (on gutsy, BTW) [10:38] yes, on gutsy too [10:38] sun-java6-bin: /usr/share/applications/sun-java6-javaws.desktop === dholbach tries on i386 (was on amd64) === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-45d19bc2620b32fc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] seb128: wow, 1.90.1 -> 1.90.2 had a soname change? [10:41] pitti: no, 1.8.5 -> 1.90.1 had [10:42] pitti: 1.90.1 has been prepared by a contributor but he didn't rename things correctly so I did cleanup while updating [10:42] seb128: do you need that in main? why do we still need the old version? [10:42] aah === stub [i=stub@nat/canonical/x-38dc33319bc1b318] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] pitti: yes, we need that in main, old version ... we can move it to universe or drop it when applications have been ported to the new API [10:43] gedit [10:43] gnome-python-desktop [10:43] gnome-python-extras [10:43] screem [10:43] ok, not that many [10:43] gedit is already ported [10:43] seb128: ok, thanks [10:43] gnome-python-* upstream will do it most likely [10:43] I'll have a look at what screem is doing [10:43] I expect we will move the old one or drop it before gutsy === cassidy [n=cassidy@8.241-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] go java go! [10:45] crimsun, doko_, seb128: thanks it exists on i386, but not on amd64 [10:45] dholbach: what an idea to use amd64 ;) === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] pitti: editmoin accepted [10:46] yay [10:46] seb128: gtksourceview2 accepted [10:47] danke :) [10:47] someone please file an apport crash bug, I want to check a new toy :) === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@8.241-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] pitti: just file bug on app that crashes and sends report to LP? [10:53] Mithrandir: hm, has MoM been stopped? it hasn't updated since yesterday apparently [10:54] gnomefreak: I can file a demo bug, too, but maybe someone has something useful :) [10:55] let me see if firefox still crashes and you can have it :) === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |cerbero| [n=jga@pD9E60CF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] pitti: i gotr tbird to crash but apport tells me i dont have enough memory to report it safe to just upload crash report [11:02] gnomefreak: ok, nevermind; thanks [11:02] sorry [11:03] np :) [11:03] gnomefreak: you see, the very best that could happen is when nobody would report a crash any more. ever. :) [11:03] true :) [11:03] pitti: opinion on bug #123860? [11:03] and in the other 1-10^(-10) range of probability I'll get one sooner or later [11:03] Launchpad bug 123860 in apache "please remove from archive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123860 [11:04] seb128: ah, have all rdepends now been removed/fixed? cool [11:04] seb128: indeed geser and I have worked on that [11:05] seb128: hm, checkrdepends is next to unusuable, since there are so many alternative dependencies [11:06] right, I was running it, there is still quite some things listed there [11:06] seb128: but we can just kick it out of the archive and then use apt-cache unmet to fix/delete the remaining ones [11:07] pitti: k, let's do it [11:07] Debian removed it [11:07] yay! it took long enough to get rid of it, but finally \o/ [11:07] :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] * debian/rules: remove symlink-dupes bits. [11:13] dholbach: ^ not necessary any more? the changelog doesn't have a rationale [11:14] pitti: unsure, I can check after I've eaten some breakfast [11:14] pitti: trunk did not contain it anymore === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5e7:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] pitti: I think removing a1 at this point is fine; Debian has already done so. [11:15] seb128: weird, there's no gutsy-changes@ mail for editmoin, but it seems to be getting published now [11:15] Mithrandir: I agree [11:16] hum [11:16] pitti, keescook: apache removed now [11:16] neato [11:16] thanks! [11:16] yay [11:17] ;) [11:17] PARTY! [11:17] :-) [11:18] pitti: editmoin accepted, I did a typo before and didn't notice, thanks for mentionning it ;) === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@BAA0ac2.baa.pppool.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpytasz [n=dduck@pc-212-51-218-194.p.lodz.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GNUdog [n=GNUdog@218.28.13.149] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [i=702c03c4@adsl-68-122-1-35.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira [n=simira@aine.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [11:43] dholbach: [11:43] o sng: sng [11:43] [Reverse-Build-Depends: human-icon-theme] [11:44] seb128: hm? [11:44] dholbach: could you have a look at why human-icon-theme Build-Depends on sng and either make it not or file a MIR? [11:44] dholbach: sng wants to go to main because of human-icon-theme [11:45] and the current build "Dependency wait" [11:45] ok, I'll try to find out who synced that [11:45] you talked with Riddell I think [11:45] and you agreed that Debian merged all the changes [11:47] I did not agree [11:47] Riddell said that the only thing that was different is the changelog [11:47] anyway [11:47] ... [11:48] I'll fix it [11:48] the branch wasn't updated either [11:51] dholbach: k, thanks ;) [11:52] dholbach: you still need to merge tangerine-icon-theme [11:53] Riddell: ok [11:53] Toadstool: xfce4-cellmodem-plugin debian/Copyright has a "GNU Library General Public License for more details", why is the "Library" mentionned there, the software is under GPL [11:59] Tonio_: do you want kaffeine-gstreamer to main? In which case you need to get it seeded or have something depending on it [11:59] ogra or whoever: what's the password that's equivalent to a blank password? === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] Riddell, "U6aMy0wojraho" i think [12:00] ogra: that's correct. === vprints [i=laur@conference/kde/aKademy/x-6ad001d8ee94105b] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] seb128: hum, the point is that unfortunatelly we need xine for amarok, so let's use kaffeine-xine in the first place maybe... [12:03] seb128: if amarok would have been gstreamer capabe, i would have say yes, but that'll have to wait for kde4 I guess [12:04] Tonio_: so you want kaffeine-gstreamer moved to universe? [12:04] seb128: yep [12:05] seb128: wasn't it already demoted ? thought it was for a very long time [12:05] Tonio_: it's listed on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt [12:06] hum right, so yes, you can demote it to universe, no pb [12:06] Mithrandir, pitti: should be better demote a binary from a main package or add them to supported? === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] seb128: fixed [12:12] dholbach: danke ;) === cr3 [i=marc@nat/canonical/x-8d3006461623322e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] seb128: depends on what it is; if there's no point in keeping it in main, just demote it [12:22] Mithrandir: I don't like much splitting binaries from a same package between main and universe, that often creates problems for users === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] it happens quite often that they enable -updates for main only by example [12:22] which package is this? [12:23] which one? the one we received quite some bugs about was totem-xine === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] nah, the one you're wondering if you should demote or not [12:24] I'm looking at the component-mismatches.txt list [12:24] no special example [12:24] take kaffeine-gstreamer for example if you want [12:26] Mithrandir: well, that's not likely a problem for most of them if they don't force Depends [12:26] it was for totem-xine because totem-mozilla has a versionned Depends === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] and the totem-mozilla update from main was breaking without universe (no match totem-xine to upgrade) [12:33] Riddell: done === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Insomnia1 [n=hulk@p548FDC2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Insomnia1 [n=hulk@p548FDC2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-2b569594105b40a0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@82.145.145.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.63.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] seb128: for innocent packages I prefer to have them seeded, for the reasons you described [12:53] seb128: only if it would introduce complex dependencies or is particularly hard to maintain, we should demote it === jdstrand_ [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491CEFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] pitti: ok, I've the same opinion === pochu [n=emilio@127.Red-83-32-162.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === NeilW [n=neil@89.242.139.91] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ip72-196-13-134.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] dholbach: fyi, I just packaged the latest kdebluetooth, with dbus support [01:32] dholbach: not everything works of course, but you won't have to patch bluez-utils anymore :) [01:33] dholbach: we'll probably include it soon to the archives, needs discussing intoday's meeting === allee kicks Tonio === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DBD4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] pitti: can you check on the sanity of php-imap and php-mcrypt ? I can't find the builds, but the source was accepted. I'm assuming it's still caught in some archive blacklist? [01:52] keescook: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-imap/5.2.3-0ubuntu1 -> that looks fine? [01:52] keescook: it didn't build yet [01:53] dholbach: yay, I could finally upload a p-lp-bugs bug fix myself \o/ [01:53] pitti: ah! there seems to be some kind of dead-time between upload and a build showing the state "Pending". :) i'm too impatient. :) [01:53] keescook: source needs to get published first [01:53] keescook: i. e. at about 40 minutes past the hour [01:54] okay. sorry for the noise. :) [01:54] no problem [01:55] pitti: Doesn't publisher run at about 3 minutes past? [01:56] Fujitsu: it starts at that time, right, and finishes around 40 past [01:56] Ah. [01:56] That's... fairly long. [01:56] indeed :/ [01:56] I saw some binaries published at about 4 minutes past a few hours ago... [01:56] but we'll get "build from accepted" soon, which will speed up the process considerably [01:57] We had build-from-accepted, but didn't it get turned off because it stuffed up changelog-closes-bugs? === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-c36a2283c9004e9f] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] Fujitsu: they might be shown as that in the launchpad UI, but not on archive.u.c. [01:57] Fujitsu: right [01:57] Ah. Right, that makes sense. [01:59] we haven't had build-from-accepted with soyuz. [01:59] seb128: is there a maintainance or something on the archives ? [02:00] Tonio_: what do you mean? [02:00] Mithrandir: I saw a comment saying it was turned off shortly after 1.1.6 was released, because it broke things. [02:00]