[12:13] ScottK: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8296887/py2.5.diff === ScottK looks [12:14] geser: Does that still work with 2.4 too? [12:15] yes [12:15] Cool. === ScottK will get that uploaded to Debian. [12:16] for both python2.4 and python2.5 the test file succeeds [12:16] OK. [12:17] I tested it on AMD64 so I assume it should also work on 32bit [12:17] ScottK: should I also add the patch to Debian bug #423314? [12:17] Debian bug 423314 in python-tclink "[Fwd: Re: python-tclink 3.4 fails with python2.5] " [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/423314 [12:18] OK. I'll test it on i386 before I commit it. [12:18] geser: Up to you. [12:19] I'll commit it to the Debian Python Modules Team and then hunt for a DD to upload it either way. [12:20] ok, I will add it to the Debian bug and cc upstream === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-b32e19c9868c4362] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] Sounds good. === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.231.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] ScottK: have you tested it on i386 already? [12:29] No. Got distracted by family stuff. Assembling the package now. [12:29] It would be good to know if it works for you too before I sent it upstream [12:31] OK [12:32] It looks like Debian has a patch in that's not released yet. I'm checking to make sure this doesn't conflict. === c0dex__ [n=c0dex__@unaffiliated/c0dex/x-029467] has joined #ubuntu-motu === c0dex__ [n=c0dex__@unaffiliated/c0dex/x-029467] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Saliendo"] === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-11-180.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] geser: This patch: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/python-modules/packages/python-tclink/trunk/debian/patches/py_tclink-type-error-fix.dpatch?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 is for a different problem (if I'm reading it correctly), but interferes with yours. how about you edit this patch instead of creating a new one? [12:41] geser: I also asked the guy that did the patch in Debian what he thought. [12:46] geser: I have just your patch building. === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] geser: It builds. It may be a bit before I can get the Debian package update. You might want to do an ubuntu2 in the meantime. [12:52] ScottK: will do an upload tomorrow, it's nearly 1 a.m. here === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-49-195.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] ScottK: I'm going to bed now, see you tomorrow [12:56] gah, i hate it when gutsy breaks badly... [12:57] especially when it looks like a stupid reason.... === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-115-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-13.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hendrixski [n=hendrixs@cpe-66-66-116-183.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] I just switched to a new computer, and am trying to get my old gpg key on board... I can't sign debian packages 'cause it says it has no private key... but it never asked me :-( === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] anybody have any words of wisdom? [01:06] hmmm... words of wisdom.... nope... sorry, not me.... [01:06] :P [01:07] jussi01, lol [01:07] :) [01:08] I had a flashback to windows... maybe it'll help if I reboot??? 'cause I already restarted the gpg-agent... [01:08] hendrixski: i didnt see your issue... [01:08] I just logged on again.. [01:09] jussi01, oh... right right.... lemme try that log-out & log-in [01:12] When hendrixski comes back ask him if he copied his ~/.gnupg from the old computer to the new one. Thats' where the secret key is. === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-49-195.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] ScottK: yeah, I didnt see what he asked, lol [01:12] wht was his problem? [01:13] jussi01: I just switched to a new computer, and am trying to get my old gpg key on board... I can't sign debian packages 'cause it says it has no private key... but it never asked me :-( [01:13] No private key on a new computer. === hendrixski [n=hendrixs@cpe-66-66-116-183.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] aha [01:13] hendrixski: When hendrixski comes back ask him if he copied his ~/.gnupg from the old computer to the new one. Thats' where the secret key is. [01:13] jussi01, n go [01:14] DarkSun88, no... I didn't... is there a way to recreate the ~/.gnupg if I have my public and private keys? [01:16] hendrixski: I don't know. [01:18] DarkSun88, ScottK, is it safe for me to go around messing with the files in the ~/.gnupg directory? or are there gpg commands I should use instead? [01:22] oh... wait it's all binary files.... bugger [01:25] :-( so am I supposed to create a new gpg key for each computer? [01:27] You have an export of your private and public keys? [01:29] StevenK, you mean like the .asc file of the key? [01:30] I thought a .asc was a signature. [01:32] StevenK, oh... umm, then no.. I can export it using seahorse...:-) would that set it up so that I can sign stuff? or are there steps I can do once it's exported that would allow me to do that again? [01:33] oh ... wait... when I click on it to export it then it tells me that I can save the export as a .asc.... :-( I am SSSSSSSSOOOOOO confused === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hendrixski cries === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] hendrixski: so cant you just copy th ~/.gnupg folder to each machine? [01:49] jussi01, no... because I wiped out the other computer :-( [01:50] oh... hendrixski i would say they are gone forever.... just create a new one, and get someone to resync revu for you... [01:50] thats what i did === _16aR_ [n=dolanor@unaffiliated/16ar/x-367395] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] well... I'll create one for the time being.. I'm still on the learning curve here (OBVIOUSLY) so none of what I'm packaging even works... let alone is good enough to submit back === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] heh, dont worry, you will get there :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] jussi01, getting there is half the fun. [01:58] yeps:) [01:58] ok... so I created a new gpg key... only gona let this one hang around for 10 days... [01:58] and tried to create the package again and... same error [02:00] gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available [02:03] seriously is that a bug or am I just not smart enough to do this? === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-84d29f83ddcf3bb9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hendrixski gives up... and goes for a walk === hendrixski [n=hendrixs@cpe-66-66-116-183.rochester.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [""Screw] [02:08] oh... the poor guy... === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@5ac2dd48.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@238.101.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@5ac2dd48.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg [n=luisbg@189.Red-88-17-122.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1cf8:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@5ac2dd48.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@5ac2dd48.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lousygarua [n=amir@89-138-63-178.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@5ac2dd48.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@5ac2dd48.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@5ac2dd48.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@5ac2dd48.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lousygarua [n=amir@89-138-63-178.bb.netvision.net.il] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lousygarua1 [n=amir@89-138-63-178.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-a5574e0d46dab57e] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luis_lopez [n=luis@ip216-239-86-68.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.119.151] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] can someone please push my updates to erc and muse-el out on REVU? the erc update resolves a DaD entry [03:56] and the muse-el update will preemptively resolve one :^) [04:00] mwolson: For a merge (erc), please rather post a debdiff against the Debian release to a bug. [04:01] "post" as in post to a launchpad bug? [04:03] mwolson: Yes. When processing a merge, please open a launchpad bug (so others can see you are working on it), and when it is complete, attach a debdiff against Debian for the changes (or if the orig.tar.gz files differ, a debdiff against Ubuntu, with a note that it requires a manual merge, and that the debdiff is against Ubuntu). [04:04] mwolson: Having just looked also at muse-el, the same guidelines apply. Archiving both uploads. === Scoaz [n=Scoaz@tdev233-113.codetel.net.do] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Scoaz [n=Scoaz@tdev233-113.codetel.net.do] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [04:07] Excellent. I managed to just sneak in the new curl upload. [04:07] mwolson: Looking at some of your other uploads - you probably want to read "Preparing New Revisions" in https://wiki,ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing: bugs are generally a faster way to get fixes in: you only need REVU when it is a NEW package, or a new upstream version. [04:10] persia: thanks for the pointers [04:11] mwolson: Thanks for all the excellent work to get the emacs packages in shape. I'm looking forward to seeing the patches in the U-U-S queue for upload. [04:11] StevenK: any idea about this error? It seems rather related to what you've been doing lately: [04:11] tunepimp.tunepimp.TunePimpError: Error opening library: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: version `CURL_GNUTLS_4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libtunepimp.so.5) [04:12] I've rebuilt libtunepimp, but it still doesn't like me. === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] persia: come to think of it, i have also made a package for emacs22; i've emailed Michael Vogt (the person who last changed emacs21 for Ubuntu) about getting it into gutsy; can you advise me on what other steps might be appropriate? [04:13] Fujitsu: Hrrrm. Crap. [04:13] That's what I thought. [04:14] I didn't think things were meant to be able to die like that... [04:14] mwolson: The best way to get a new package of that impact into Ubuntu is to get it into Debian. Failing that, REVU is the mechanism, but I'm not sure that most of us would feel qualified to review changes of that magnitude. [04:15] persia: My particular package will definitely not get into Debian because it includes GFDL documentation. I want to beat Debian's version of emacs22 into gutsy so that it doesn't get split into some -nondfsg parts like emacs21 did. [04:16] mwolson: Then email (or IRC) with recent uploaders of emacs21 in Ubuntu is likely your best path. [04:16] I'm also collaborating to some extent with the guy who maintained emacs-snapshot packages in Debian until earlier this year; the emacs22 package borrows quite a bit from his, and his has had decent testing [04:16] can anyone tell me why smplayer is in multiverse? [04:17] Simon80: Dependency on mplayer? [04:17] hrm, ok [04:17] Fujitsu: Crap, maybe we do need to rebuild the curl4 packages. All 40 of them ... [04:18] StevenK: Rebuilding it doesn't help... [04:18] Fujitsu: Wait for the newest curl, -6ubuntu3 [04:18] mwolson: I've archived the remainder of your bugfixes in REVU. [04:18] What was it that caused this reduction in SONAME? [04:18] crack [04:19] ajmitch: Well, obviously, but I was looking for a little more verbosity. [04:20] My understanding was that Debian didn't want to process the transition when there wasn't a significant ABI change, so they forced the use of the old name. === DarkMageZ [n=richard@238.101.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] ok, so why is mplayer in multiverse? [04:22] Simon80: Patents and some potentially non-free code, I think. [04:22] Though the latter seems to have been resolved recently. [04:22] mmhmm, I see nothing in the copyright file [04:23] Interesting: Debian has 1.0~rc1-14 in main now. [04:24] persia: I believe it has some stuff stripped out, but I never got around to completely checking that. === Fujitsu does so now. [04:24] That surely has patented algorithms in it? [04:25] I personally don't care about patented algorithms [04:25] Simon80: But the archive admins do, fortunately. [04:25] lol [04:25] do they? see above.. === radhios [n=radhios@200-122-44-49.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] I see little relevant stuff above. [04:26] either way, I think it's immoral to enforce any restrictions on decoding from these formats [04:26] immoral, unethical, wrong [04:26] etc. [04:26] evil, even [04:26] It's also likely illegal to not do so. [04:26] Take it up with $GOVERNMENT [04:26] Ah. Yes. All the encoding is stripped in debian (see debian/rules fix-orig-source:) [04:27] persia: That'd do it. [04:27] Fujitsu: for one thing, I mean immoral for the patent holders, and second, it's not criminal [04:27] merely something you can be sued for [04:27] I might see if I can minimise divergence from them, though. [04:27] Simon80: It appears that the decoding isn't the problem, rather the encoding. We'd prefer it in multiverse with encoding than in universe with encoding stripped. [04:27] fair enough [04:28] though I personally don't mind if they strip encoding [04:28] A lot of people do, however. [04:28] well, unless you have hardware that only decodes one of these tainted formats [04:28] Simon80: Is multiverse that hard to use? I suppose we could ship mplayer-free, but I think most users would only be confused. [04:29] then it's a problem [04:29] And I'm not sure we really want to be maintaining two of those things... [04:29] persia: no, I was just curious, I don't mind multiverse at all [04:29] that reminds me, I need to file a bug about Synaptic not making license info clear in its UI [04:29] libavcodec/README.jfdct.gz | 37 [04:29] mencoder.c | 1751 --------------------------------------------- [04:30] 2 files changed, 37 insertions(+), 1751 deletions(-) [04:30] That's the difference between our upstream tarballs. [04:30] I see [04:30] seems that you have to hunt down the copyright file to find out the license, synaptic should have that as a right click or package menu item [04:30] view copyright info [04:31] I don't believe apt has that information unless the package is installed. [04:32] Fujitsu: One could grab it from e.g. http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0~rc1-0ubuntu11/copyright, if the network was available. === persia leaves before anyone can refute that === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:35] lol [04:36] it's not like that was a dead link [04:36] it's hard to refute that kind of proof of existence === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] unless maybe I haxxor c.u.c and remove the file [04:46] Yay, debuild actually works with gpg-agent now. [04:47] since when? [04:47] gutsy? [04:47] A few days ago, I think. [04:47] nice [04:47] so, only in gutsy [04:47] cause yeah, I just tried that this weekend and said hmm, that doesn't work, and it's breaking things too [04:48] and I have a post debuild hook to lsdiff my diff.gz, so hrm [04:48] I don't like it when debuild errors out before that [04:48] geser: Uploaded in Debian. I'll file a sync once it's out. [04:48] perhaps I should move it to post source === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] i want to be very sure that i'm doing things correctly this time before repeating this process for 3 more packages: can someone double-check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bbdb/+bug/123896 ? [04:54] Launchpad bug 123896 in bbdb "Candidate revision bbdb_2.35.cvs20060204-1.1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] hi guys. i've got a package i'd like if someone can revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5863, mythbuntu-default-settings === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] Fujitsu: New curl binary packages should hit the archive soonish. [05:40] StevenK: Great, I'll try once they're published. [05:47] Fujitsu: Great, I'm very very curious if it works without a rebuild. If it doesn't, it looks to be another upload of curl and about 40 rebuilds. [05:48] I'm grabbing the binaries from LP now. [05:48] Which ones do I need? All of them? [05:48] What is with all these netsplits? [05:48] it feels like undernet [05:48] (ohh sorry, thats on Efnet) === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:49] Fujitsu: Depends on what you have installed. [05:51] Fujitsu: Pastebin 'COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep curl' for me, please? [05:52] Oh, neat, the binaries aren't linked until published. [05:52] StevenK: Sure. === man-di_ [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-194-004.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] Fujitsu: Yup. Should happen this publisher run, in about 15 minutes. === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] StevenK: Right, but I would have thought they'd be available from the builds page before publishing. [05:54] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28448/ [05:54] Fujitsu: It could be due to not wanting to show them if they're stuck in NEW, or something. [05:55] True. [05:56] Fujitsu: Grab -6ubuntu3 for the libcurl* packages you have installed. [05:57] StevenK: I'll do so in about 8 minutes. [05:58] If it doesn't work, I suspect both pitti and I might cry. A lot. [05:59] StevenK: Why? Huge numbers of rebuilds? [06:00] Fujitsu: Yup. About 40. [06:00] Can't that be semi-automated? === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] I'd be doing them semi-automatically, but it still involves smashing my machine, my pipe, the buildds and the archive. [06:03] They're published. === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] Huzzah. Or something. [06:05] If I want to synch a new upload from Debian, do I need to wait until it's published on f.d.o. before I file the sync bug? === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-20-113.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:09] Fujitsu: Come on, put me out of my misery. :-P [06:09] You don't want to know, I don't think. [06:10] I'm being absolutely sure before I give you the bad news. [06:11] Right. /me removes mysql-server-5.0, rather than having the kernel spewing oopses over all of my terminals. === StevenK sobs === ajmitch hands StevenK a beer or 3 [06:13] meh [06:13] isn't it just something like for dir in *; do (cd dir && debuild);done or whatever? [06:13] heh [06:13] Simon80: It's a little harder than that. [06:14] ..but only a little, right? [06:14] not quite as short, though I suspect a few of us have a script to tweak changelog & rebuild a set of packages === ajmitch still has one hidden away somewhere for library transition rebuilds [06:14] you'd want to tweak the control as well === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.231.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] I was just plotting how to script adding changelog entries. [06:14] it's not hard [06:14] StevenK, dch does it [06:14] man dch [06:15] StevenK: I'm sure doko has done it a lot. [06:15] it's THAT easy [06:15] Simon80: You don't need to help me, really. :-) [06:15] lol, sorry, I'm not trying, you just made it sound like adding to changelog was non trivial === ajmitch digs for rebuild script [06:16] StevenK: A rebuild of libtunepimp fixes it, unfortunately. [06:16] aha, I had to handle -XbuildY vs -XubuntuY vs -X [06:16] but I think that dch does that now [06:16] Simon80: It is, because you have 3 distinct cases. [06:17] Simon80: -X -> -Xubuntu1 ; -XubuntuY -> -XubuntuY+1 ; -XbuildY -> -XbuildY+1 [06:17] Fujitsu: After the rebuild, which library does it depend on and link against? [06:17] StevenK: No, -X -> -Xbuild1 [06:17] StevenK, boo === ajmitch handles those 3 without a problem [06:17] Oh, yes, right. [06:17] libcurl-gnutls.so.4 => /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4 (0xb7c22000) [06:17] except that I have *breezy* hardcoded in this script [06:17] it's still straightforward [06:17] ajmitch: Ouch. [06:17] showing its age :) [06:18] Fujitsu: What about its Depends? [06:18] dpkg-parsechangelog | grep version | cut... etc. [06:18] libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1) [06:19] Hm, actually, that could be wrong. [06:19] But it still dies without a rebuild ... *Wonderful*. [06:19] [06:19] The old one depends on libcurl4-gnutls. [06:19] It isn't wrong. [06:19] But the ABI shouldn't be different... [06:20] "shouldn't" [06:20] hah [06:20] I thought it might have been wrong, because it listed both when I apt-cache showed. It turns out it was right, though. [06:20] This looks pretty ABI-broken to me: Error opening library: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: version `CURL_GNUTLS_4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libtunepimp.so.5) [06:20] Fujitsu: Look at the description for libcurl4-gnutls. That should explain it. [06:21] Ah. === Fujitsu 's head explodes. [06:21] Fujitsu: Can you objdump -hpT /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4 | grep CURL_GNUTLS [06:22] StevenK: No CURL_GNUTLS_4 references at all. [06:22] Personally, the Description for the new libcurl4{,-gnutls} amuses me. [06:22] StevenK: That it does. [06:22] older (newer) [06:22] Fujitsu: I'm worried that CURL_GNUTLS_3 appears. [06:23] StevenK: It's all that appears. [06:23] Crap. [06:23] So it *does* change. [06:23] (At least for GnuTLS) [06:24] So the SONAME was meant to revert, but symbol names weren't? How strange. [06:25] The symbols are unversioned, but CURL_GNUTLS_[34] is the library itself being fragging braindead. [06:26] Neat. [06:27] special [06:27] Fujitsu: Would you mind looking at http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/cruft/libcurl4, and seeing if one the packages listed there as cruft actually works? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:27] StevenK: Doing so. [06:27] Fujitsu: Thanks, [06:27] s/\,// [06:28] william@irranat:~/MOTUing/libtunepimp-0.5.3$ gmpc [06:28] gmpc: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_4' not found (required by gmpc) [06:28] OH BLOODY ... &*&%($%($(%(%(*&^( [06:28] :( [06:29] hi everyone [06:29] Hi Hobbsee. [06:29] I think StevenK is about to combust. [06:29] so it seems... === Hobbsee peers strangely at StevenK [06:30] hi Hobbsee [06:30] Hobbsee: Curl is still stuffed. [06:30] hello Hobbsee [06:31] StevenK: yummy [06:31] StevenK: Any idea why it's so screwed? [06:32] Fujitsu: I'll talk to pitti about it when he appears. === Hobbsee summons pitti [06:33] :P [06:36] Right, crap. It looks like those symbols are versioned. [06:36] Which means 40 rebuilds or so. [06:37] StevenK: No other way out? [06:37] Not that I can think of. [06:37] Ouch. [06:37] But Debian said the symbols are unversioned! Grah! [06:37] I hope you have a lot of bandwidth free :P === eddyMul [n=eddymul@netblock-68-183-27-41.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] And it seems they tell lots of lies, since we patch it to be versioned. And now the damage is done. [06:44] s/we/they/ [06:45] Ahh, very nice. [06:46] Sigh. They said it was versioned. [06:46] And now I need to profess to pitti that I really am an idiot. [06:47] Did you break something because you thought they were unversioned? [06:47] If the symbols were unversioned, both libtunepimp and gmpc ought to work. [06:48] Right. === StevenK ponders Seppuku [06:48] Shouldn't apport have retraced bug #123870 by now? [06:48] Launchpad bug 123870 in listen "[gutsy] listen.py crashed on exit (SIGSEGV in PyThreadState_New())" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123870 [06:48] StevenK: How about no. [06:49] Fujitsu: You know what seppuku is? [06:49] Of course. [06:49] Who doesn't? === ScottK imagines that apport may be tired of retracing bugs in listen and just quit. [06:49] I know it by it's older name, hari-kari [06:50] ScottK: Has listen been crashy lately? [06:50] IIRC yes. === Fujitsu checks. [06:50] That and one other written in Python player thingg. [06:51] thingy that I don't recall the name of at the moment. I think it starts with e. [06:51] It's mostly the other one, but listen.py comes up a lot in my bugmail. [06:51] exaile? [06:51] That's the one. [06:51] exaile's always been nice and crashy. [06:52] There's a new one that doesn't crash in some of the old ways, but has new ones to replace them. [06:52] Isn't there some kind of MOTU multi-media team? [06:52] MOTU Media, yes. [06:53] Should they get all that bugmail? [06:53] I currently have pythonistas subscribed since they are in python, but if another team would care, I could remove myself and still be guilt free. [06:54] remove myself ~ remove pythonistas because there aren't many members. [06:54] ScottK: I'm not sure if we want it :P [06:54] We've already got vlc, mplayer and xine. [06:54] Well they are Medai... [06:54] Quite enough bugs. [06:54] Sure, so you're used to it. [06:54] Hah, yes. [06:56] So I can switch bug contact to MOTU media for those? [06:57] I suppose so. === ScottK fires up lauchpad... [06:58] It'll never work. [06:58] As I've discovered. [06:58] Urgh. [06:58] Especially when filing bugs. [06:58] Silly security precautions. [06:59] OK, try again... [06:59] will you sub MOTU Media for exaile and listen? I'm going to remove pythonistas. There's no way I'd try and fix those anyway. [07:00] OK. [07:00] Mine are done. [07:00] I can only subscribe motumedia, thanks to one of the high-priority Malone bugs. [07:00] s/,// [07:01] OK. If Laserjock would lower himself to show up here and not just in #ubuntu-devel, you could whine. [07:01] ;-) [07:01] Hm, interesting that he's not here. [07:02] ScottK: I don't know why I'd want to whine about these relaxed permissions, though [07:02] No. He hasn't been the last couple of times I've seen him over there. [07:02] Ah. I understand now. [07:04] Actually, I just thought of a way around this. [07:05] A new upload of curl, that hacks in both CURL_3 and CURL_4 symbols. [07:05] StevenK: Oh no. Sounds bad. What is it? [07:05] Ah. [07:05] Hacks. Yay. [07:05] Well back to working my way through Ubuntu packages with Ubuntu diffs that belong to Debian Python Modules Team and putting all the relevant Ubuntu changes in their svn. [07:05] At least it's better than 40 rebuilds. [07:05] ScottK: How many are there? [07:05] Fujitsu: That the thought I'm consoling myself with. [07:06] Fujitsu: DPMT has ~ 130 packages. I'm about 90% through the list. [07:06] How many had Ubuntu diffs? [07:06] IIRC about a dozen. [07:07] All but one or two should work for sync after then next Debian upload. [07:07] then/the === ScottK is wrestling with notify-python currently. [07:08] ScottK: Nice work. I should probably do something similar for science packages in the near future. === StevenK wrestles with curl. Still. [07:08] StevenK: If you need any testing or whatever, please ask. === crimsun frowns at alsa. Still. [07:08] Fujitsu: I was planning on. :-) [07:08] Hi crimsun! [07:08] 'lo [07:08] ScottK: You mean "python-pyinotify"? Cause I sent that patch to the BTS [07:09] Going through that was how I noticed geser's problem with python-tclink and python 2.5 [07:10] Ah, it's also built against 2.4 only? [07:10] RAOF: No, notify-python is a different package. DPMT doesn't have python-pyinotify. [07:10] Ah. Of course it is :) [07:10] This was a case of him having changed the package to build against python 2.5 when it didn't work with python 2.5 [07:11] Good news is after I pointed that out, he figured a patch that's already been uploaded for Debian and we can sync after it builds. [07:12] Fujitsu: Do you want to build curl, or do you want me to throw you binaries? [07:12] StevenK: How long does it take to build? [07:12] Fujitsu: 10 minutes on my 3Ghz amd64 [07:12] Probably faster to throw me binaries, then. [07:12] ALthough I'd need i386, so maybe not. === StevenK nods. [07:12] I can build either. [07:13] Ah, great. [07:13] At this point, I'm still investigating the versioning of the symbols. === Fujitsu has no idea whatsoever about libraries. [07:15] Shared libraries are fun. === Fujitsu grumbles about DebianImportFreeze. [07:17] Fujitsu: What was the first symbol that was bitched about? CURL_GNUTLS_4? [07:18] StevenK: That's the one. [07:18] (for libtunepimp, at least. gmpc was just CURL_4) === StevenK nods. === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] Right. I think I have a horrid hack for this. [07:24] StevenK: Good (bad). [07:24] Heh [07:25] I'm going to leave the decision to pitti, and I'll go with what he says. I'm still not sure if this will work at all. === Fujitsu notes that the new stellarium FTBFS due to a stuffed libcurl4-dev. [07:26] Whimper. [07:27] I presume it's just because I haven't updated it in about 5 hours... [07:28] heya everybody! [07:28] wom2 [07:28] Hi Toadstool. [07:28] oops [07:28] hey Fujitsu [07:30] DebianImportFreeze? Automatic syncs are stopped already? === Toadstool takes a look at Gutsy schedule [07:31] hmpf [07:31] Toadstool: A couple of days ago, I think :( [07:31] June 21st apparently, kind of early, isn't it? [07:32] I would have thought so. [07:32] But we don't control it, unfortunately. [07:35] Toadstool: Fujitsu: what are your thoughts on tools for universe, w.r.t catching bugs fixed in debian, etc. have you read the mailing list yet? [07:36] Hobbsee: I read that about 2 minutes after you sent it. [07:36] Fujitsu: right [07:36] I think it'd be nice to have some way of keeping autosync on, but that's obviously not possible... [07:37] Fujitsu: saying "we dont control it" is effectively useless - even though it's true. Coming up with producive solutions as to what we *can* do, apart from leaving the autosyncer on, is useful. [07:37] that would likely require access to Soyuz source. [07:37] Hm, great, we're already 236 syncable packages behind. [07:38] crimsun: That would always be good. [07:38] Hobbsee: I read it real quick this afternoon at work and wanted to read it again tonight and give it a little more thinking but unfortunately it is the 4th of July over here (well not yet, but fireworks, etc) and I was invited to a dinner and drank a little too much wine [07:38] Toadstool: no problem. :) [07:38] tomorrow :) [07:38] Toadstool: good thought on it is what i want - i merely wrote that as a starting point :) [07:38] If Malone did version tracking and imported Debian bugs it would be nice, but ajmitch's list does that fairly well. [07:40] If we can acquire resources (ie. hope lucas will do it), rebuilding a piupartsing would be very nice, but I think it was done too late in the cycle last time. [07:40]