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xivulonHi all11:30
xivulonI am wubi author11:30
xivulonI'd like to include edubuntu in our final version11:31
xivulonI have a couple of questions11:31
xivulon1 is this desirable to you?11:31
xivulon2 is there an alternate-iso version of edubuntu (I assume the server one) and can I install the desktop with that?11:31
ograyes11:35
ogra(2)11:35
ograand yes to 1 as well indeed :)11:35
ograthe server CD has a workstation install mode, you can select it from the cD bootmenu11:35
ograbut note that many edu apps n the server CD moved to the server-addon CD11:36
xivulonis that an alternate-iso style installer11:36
ograyes11:36
xivulonis the kernel the same used in the ubuntu alternate iso (2.6.20-15-generic)?11:37
xivulonwill the desktop be spoiled by the lack of the additional packages?11:37
xivulondo you have a dvd iso (alternate) which supports all packages?11:37
xivulonIs it enough to install edubuntu-desktop from the alternate iso to take care of "everything"?11:38
xivulonapologies for all the questions11:38
ograthe desktop looks like usual, but things like gcompris and kdeedu are not installed by defult11:39
ograwe have a dvd as well indeed11:39
ograand use the same kernel11:39
ogra(under the hood edubuntu and ubuntu are identical apart from the ltsp stuff)11:39
ograthe major differnce in the desktop is the app selection and artwork11:40
xivulondoes the dvd work like an alternate iso (debian-installer)?11:40
ograboth ...11:40
ograit has both isos on it and all options of both in the bootmenu11:40
xivulonThat I guess might be the best shot for inclusion11:40
RichEdhi ogra & xivulon ... excuse my ignorance, what's wubi ?11:41
xivulonhttp://wubi-installer.org11:41
ograhttp://wubi-installer.org/11:41
RichEdthanks :) also reading the wikipedia article11:42
xivulonI'am ago, by the way11:42
xivulonOk I'll try to bundle edubuntu in the coming days, then I'll pop here to ask some volunteers to test it11:43
xivulonWhat would be 5 to 10 good mirrors to use?11:44
xivulonI see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download, but I'd rather have a short list, we cannot select by country at the moment11:45
RichEdogra: http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/article/CA6456392.html11:55
RichEdgreat review I helped out with ... request via the marketing team11:55
RichEdtrying to get it on the fridge as well11:55
ogracool !!!11:56
RichEdand another one due out soon from the Technology in Higher Education ... also US ...12:01
RichEdogra: read the first two posts here : http://coloco.ubuntu-rocks.org/12:15
ograwoah12:21
ograimpressing12:21
RichEdsome good stuff there ...12:24
RichEd* what they presented12:24
RichEd* how they presented12:24
RichEd* the HP server (nice relationship opportunity)12:24
RichEd* the local support offering12:24
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edistarhello12:27
RichEdhello edistar12:33
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edistarogra: are you there?01:01
edistarhow do I get the source for the student-control-panel?01:03
gnomefreakedistar: apt-get source student-control-panel01:09
edistargnomefreak: and where will that source be then? sry, I'm still a beginner..01:11
edistarand I'd like to download it somewhere from the net, cause I need to program on a different pc..01:11
gnomefreakedistar: whatever dir you are in in terminal01:12
edistarah, not bad..01:12
gnomefreakedistar: normally i make a dir named after what source i pull cd into it and than apt-get source01:13
edistarokey:)01:13
edistargnomefreak: do you think the student-control-panel is complex?01:13
gnomefreakedistar: i havent looked at it but what do you plan to do with it?01:13
edistargnomefreak: fix a few bugs..01:14
edistargnomefreak: I have never contributed.. so I need to start somewhere..  I guess01:14
gnomefreakedistar: depending on bugs it could be very easy or the biggest pain in hte butt you have ever seen01:14
gnomefreaks/hte/the01:14
edistargnomefreak: at least it's python01:14
gnomefreakedistar: example ive been working on firefox3.0 for 3 days now because upstream screwed some things up01:15
gnomefreakedistar: normally very simple changes01:15
edistargnomefreak: what is firefox 3 looking like? will it bring major improvements?01:16
gnomefreakedistar: yes it shoudl when final and that is one reason its taking so long that and libcario01:17
edistarokey01:17
edistargnomefreak: good luck ;)01:18
gnomefreakty you too01:18
edistargnomefreak: what is the version control system in ubuntu again?01:18
gnomefreakedistar: for new packages or just bug fixes?01:19
gnomefreakthere is a wiki on it (just dont know it)01:19
gnomefreakedistar: if just bug fixes you should beable to bump the # after ubuntu example 1.1.1-0ubuntu1 would be 1.1.1-0ubuntu2 after you fix it01:20
edistargnomefreak: okey01:20
gnomefreakedistar: you might want to hang out in #ubuntu-motu they can answer almost any question you have01:20
edistargnomefreak: bazaar?01:20
gnomefreaki use bzr01:21
gnomefreaksame thing for the most part afaik01:21
edistargnomefreak: I'll give it a try01:22
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edistaris there a xen domain image for edubuntu? modified?01:55
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kim0I'd like to use something like edubuntu, except for College education (so stuff like tuxpaint is not really useful, rather C compilers & such needed)02:02
kim0is there any ready made packages ?02:02
edistarkim0: just install the packages?02:03
kim0u mena ltsp packages ?02:03
edistaror do you mean ready-bundled?02:03
kim0yeah kinda02:04
edistarkim0: there are no specific college bundles afaik :(02:04
kim0I need the remote control features and such02:04
kim0yeah ok02:04
kim0would be a nice idea though02:04
kim0:)02:04
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edistaris edubuntu very active actually?03:02
RichEdedistar: it depends on the time of day ... we have many more people in UTC evenings ... work commitments03:13
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edistarRichEd: okey :) I mean with programming etc..03:17
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andrew____What package do I need to install on top of ubuntu server to get ltsp functionality?03:49
RichEdandrew LTSP :)03:49
RichEdlet me dig out the wiki link03:50
andrew____I've seen some others, like ltsp-server-standalone03:50
ograandrew____, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall03:52
andrew____thank ogra03:53
RichEdogra: thanks ...03:53
andrew____If you have the time, I'm putting together a mixed thin client/ thick client network that should have roughly 45 thin clients...I'm trying to get some 2nd and 3rd opinions on server requirements...03:54
andrew____So far I'm gathering that lots of RAM is Key (~8GB) and a fast processor and network cards wouldn't hurt03:55
ograhow many thin, how many thinck ones ?03:56
ogra*thick03:56
andrew____45 thin, 20 thick03:56
andrew____But i want to be able to scale up...03:56
ograyou dont need any ressources for the thick ones on the server ..03:56
ograthey will only need ram/cpu for booting03:56
ografir the thin clients a good average is to say you need 128M per client on the server03:57
ograto run the server alond you should have 256M03:57
ograso 256+(128*<number_of_clients> = needed ram03:58
ograwhoops lost a bracket03:58
Neko6GB for 40 clients? that's a lot....03:58
ograwell, gnme is a big desktop03:58
ogra*gnome03:58
ograkde needs about 150M03:59
ograxfce will be happy with less03:59
andrew____How much does processor speed matter on the server?03:59
ograbut if you use firefox and openoffice the desktop suddenly doesnt matter anymore :)03:59
Nekodoesn't the server share libraries when it's sharing to thin clients? surely it's 128MB for the first client then unique data added on top per client, not 128MB total?03:59
ograNeko, well, its a rcommendation, you can try with less :)04:00
Nekoogra, btw I'll be bugging you about LTSP in the next weeks I just got off the phone with Malcolm and Richard04:00
ograi like to be on the safe side with my recommendations ;)04:00
Nekonot today though :|04:00
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ograandrew____, totally depends on the usage04:01
Nekojust some fair warning :)04:01
RichEdhi Neko/matt ... good to see you here :)04:01
Nekohi :)_04:01
RichEdalso, you may consider joining the edubuntu-devel list ... lists.ubuntu.com04:01
andrew____right. So let's say a whole class of students want to use Kig, a graphic geometry program...at the same time04:02
ograNeko, nice, feel free to bug me :)04:02
Nekomy allergies are playing me havoc and I didn't sleep at all last night (was kicking Gentoo to the ground all night) so I'll catch up with this tomorrow. Hopefully Johan will have found time to tell me exactly WHAT he did with Ubuntu.. :)04:02
NekoI don't know if he used LTSP at all, even, and he doesn't have an XGI card since he's an early adopter, so.. lots of things to think about while trying not to scratch my arms off04:03
Nekojust joined edubuntu-devel anyhway04:04
RichEdogra: edulinux meeting again ... please pop into the channel ... you don't have to participate unless called by name04:05
ograpop04:05
andrew____Are there any recopmmended case studies where I can look at successful network hardware config to run LTSP?...I'm finding the guessing game to be pretty dicouraging from the standpoint of spending a school's budget.  I need some more certainty about hardware spec.04:09
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RichEdandrew____: we've got a programme running at Canonical to certify hardware under Ubuntu / Edubuntu. The LTSP side is an area we are busy tackling.04:41
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RichEdIt also needs the OEMs to come to the party as well.04:42
RichEdIf you give us an idea of the components you are looking for, we can possibly check for past experience. Mailing edubuntu-devel may be a good option to explore for comment.04:43
RichEdAlso ask in #ltsp ... sbalneav and jammcq04:43
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flubberCan anybody help me get hal running for the ubuntu hardware database.05:13
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jonfhancockmoquist!05:30
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andreas_Hi, annyone here?05:46
andreas_I have a 10 year old son, is it best to let him have Ubuntu or Edubuntu?05:47
ogralet him try both liveCDs ?05:47
ograso he can decide what he likes best :)05:47
andreas_But is Edubuntu best for kids, he has only used computers for word and RuneScape05:48
ograit has a lot of educational games etc ... so yes its suited very well for him05:48
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tamachanI just installed a Feisty test server, but06:14
tamachanI get TFTP open timeout error06:14
tamachanHow can I fix it?06:14
ogradoes the server have two network cards ?06:15
tamachanOnly one06:15
ogrado you have another dhcp server in your network ?06:15
tamachanI disabled the router:s dhcp server06:16
tamachanrouter's06:16
ograis the one on the server running ?06:16
tamachanHow do I know?06:16
ograopen a terminal: ps ax|grep dhcp06:17
ograshoudl return a line with /usr/sbin/dhcpd306:17
tamachanI think it is.  I get 5148 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcp3 ....06:18
ograok06:18
tamachan-q eth0 -pf /var/run/dhcp ...06:18
ograyup, looks ok06:18
ogratats an edubuntu server ?06:18
ograwith the out of the box ltsp install ?06:19
tamachanyes, edubuntu feisty fawn 7.0406:19
ograok06:19
tamachanyes06:19
ogracan you paste the /etc/ltsp/dhcdp.conf file and the output of the command ifconfig -a to a pastebin ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for example06:19
ograerr06:20
ogra/etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf06:20
tamachanok wait06:20
tamachanOk, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28647/06:22
ograwell, ok, thats the default file06:25
tamachanI confirmed that the dhcp server is dissabled on the router06:26
ograwhat about the ifconfig -a output ?06:26
tamachanhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28649/06:28
tamachanthats the ifconfig -a06:28
ogralooks fine as well06:28
ograso what exactly do you see on your screen if you try to boot a client ?06:29
tamachanI start new client now06:29
tamachanI see CLIENT MAC ADDR: ... GUID:... CLIENT IP: 192.168.0.250 MASK 255.255.255.0 DHCP IP: 192.168.0.254 GATEWAY IP: 192.168.0.106:31
tamachanPXE-E32; TFTP Open timeout06:31
ograhmm06:31
tamachanTFTP....06:31
ogrado you have a /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 dir ?06:32
ograand is a kernel in there (vmlinuz)06:32
tamachanlet me check06:32
tamachanYes, I have ..../i386 dir06:33
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tamachanthere is vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-I38606:34
tamachan vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-38606:34
ograok06:36
ograso the file it wants to download exists06:36
tamachanI have an idea.  I'll reboot.  I think machine might have two different kernels.  Maybe I chose wrong one.06:36
tamachanI will be back soon, thanks for help06:37
tamachanIs it supposed to be kernel 2.6.20-15-386? or 2.6.20-16-386?06:38
ograthe default one is -15 but if you had network during install -16 might be the security update06:39
tamachanI think I chose -16.  Would that be problem?06:40
ograno06:40
tamachanok06:40
ograthe tftp server shouldnt care06:40
tamachanok06:40
ogracan you do: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf06:40
tamachanok wait06:40
ograand paste the output here06:40
ogra(should be only one line)06:40
tamachantftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot06:41
ograhmm, thats fine as well06:41
ograall bits and pieces are in place, i wonder why it doesnt work06:42
ograchek if inetd runs: ps ax|grep inetd06:42
tamachanme too06:42
ograshould return /usr/sbin/inetd06:42
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tamachanyes it does06:43
ograchek if you get any messages and errors in your daemon logfile run: tail -f /var/log/daemon.log06:44
ograthen boot a client and watch the messages in the terminal you run that command in06:44
ogra(you can exit the tail command with ctrl-c)06:44
tamachanok i am doing now06:45
tamachanNo errors after client reboot and TFTP open timeout: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28658/06:48
ograthats extremly strange06:48
ograespecially since you get proper dhcp handling it seems06:48
tamachanMaybe I should reinstall? from scratch?06:49
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ogrado you have a managed switch or some other hardware that could cause packets not being transmitted between the two ?06:49
tamachanthis is a test server running on same switch as client06:50
ograright, but is this a managed switch ?06:50
tamachanswitch is connected to router and router to internet06:50
tamachanI don't think so06:51
ograhmm06:51
tamachanit is a simple 8 port logitec switch06:51
ograthat shouldnt have any effect ...06:51
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tamachanogra, thank you for help06:57
tamachanwhat do you think I should do? Reinstall?06:58
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LaserJockogra: edubuntu-docs made it07:43
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Babyi have a 1st draft of the debtag categories to rate games for children, anyone out there who might be interested and can give some feedback and comments on them?09:06
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andrew____In the market for thin clients to run LTSP...does it matter what embedded OS they ship with (for LTSP purposes)?11:11

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