[01:38] <LeeJunFan> Is previewing pdf's in konqueror icons broken or is there some new dep in gutsy for it?
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> Ah, I see kghostview doesn't work either, but kpdf does.
[05:35] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I got sick of trying to learn how to deal with bzr (I will, just not this week) so you've got the dependency changes for S/MIME by default in your bugmail.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ScottK: heh, fair enough
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it's been problematic here too, for some reason
[05:36] <ScottK> It's Bug #124074
[05:36] <ScottK> The bot is very slow tonight.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[05:37] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/124074
[05:38] <ScottK> pitti promoted pinentry earlier today and so it should be safe to do this change now.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: kleopatra is still in universe too
[05:41] <ScottK> Yes, but it's just recommends.  Is that a problem?
[05:41] <ScottK> It's not an issue to leave it suggests if it is.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ahhh, right, yes.  where recommends dont get instaleld by default, if it's not a metapackage
[05:42] <Hobbsee> so that's fine
[05:43] <ScottK> Cool,  I thought moving it to recommends made sense since certificate management is a royal PITA without it.
[05:44] <ScottK> Wow.
[05:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124074 in kdepim "Dependency changes for S/MIME and GPG by default in kmail" [Wishlist,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124074
[05:49] <ScottK> 12 minutes.  Not bad.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:23] <nixternal> I am guessing the only dependency I will need to build here for KDE 4 alpha 2 is the Soprano library
[06:23] <ScottK> Hobbsee: any idea what the timeline is for the next kdepim upload?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: when someone does it?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: do you want to check around for any more fixes & patches for it?
[06:24] <nixternal> Hobbsee: we have any universe/multiverse things that need to get done asap?
[06:24] <nixternal> or anything actually
[06:24] <nixternal> no need for a shower and breakfast!
[06:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: that'd be cool
[06:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i blackout / whiteout without food.
[06:24] <nixternal> ya me too :)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: go thru the apt-cache unmet -i stuff
[06:25] <nixternal> and now you talking about food got me hungry
[06:25] <nixternal> Hobbsee: will do
[06:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:25] <ScottK> nixternal: Go to #ubuntu-motu and ask StevenK what's up with libcurl.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> hah, dont do that
[06:25] <nixternal> hell no
[06:25] <ScottK> Then stand back.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> he's in the process of fixing it all
[06:25] <nixternal> man, he sure has uploaded a ton today that's for sure
[06:25] <Hobbsee> btw - stevenk doesnt really get angry - so he wont blast you
[06:25] <crimsun> speaking of food, still lunch tomorrow, ScottK?
[06:25] <nixternal> still, libcurl is a touchy subject right now :)
[06:25] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:25] <crimsun> k.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[06:26] <ScottK> crimsun: How aobut Italian?
[06:26] <crimsun> ScottK: sounds prime.
[06:26] <ScottK> aobut/about
[06:26] <nixternal> argh!
[06:26] <ScottK> OK.  I'll come pick you up.  I'll get close and then call for specifics.
[06:26] <crimsun> Ok
[06:27] <ScottK> There's a place near Columbia Mall that I haven't had bad food at yet.
[06:27] <crimsun> k
[06:42] <manchicken> You all had a kubuntu meeting on the fourth of July?
[06:42] <manchicken> That's the time of year when I get to go out and see people blow stuff up.
[06:42] <manchicken> Sorry, but kubuntu meetings can't compete with fire and explosions.
[06:47] <crimsun> well, I sat in an Internet caf, watched the fire and explosions, and wrote some unit tests.  So while a meeting might be boring, unit tests are no better.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> manchicken: *grin*
[06:47] <crimsun> On the other hand, you have a child(ren), so that's an entirely different vein.
[06:51] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I am *very* strongly against an upstream sync of adept unless there is a real necessity.
[06:52] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Looking at kdepim bugs there is only one other than my dependency change with a patch.  It's Bug #116593.  Reading the upstream comment: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126182, I'm a little leary of the patch, but OTOH, kmail IMAP being odd is kind of expected.  I'd be inclined to give it a shot (we're early enough in the cycle to revert it if it causes problems).
[06:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116593 in kdepim "Kmail filters are broken with IMAP" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116593
[06:52] <ubotu> KDE bug 126182 in filtering "online IMAP filters do not always start" [Normal,New] 
[06:52] <ScottK> Yeah.  The bot is awake at last.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> manchicken: that person already filed a sync request of apt, too.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ScottK: cool, OK, will look
[06:53] <manchicken> Hobbsee: What's new in this new version.  Do you know?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> manchicken: dunno.
[06:54] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i just looked at the 27 ubuntu revisions, and went "there's no way in hell that this is a sync"
[06:55] <manchicken> Okay.  I mean, if we need to port in a new version, then we need to.  But it's not going to be a straight import.
[06:55] <manchicken> We've got too many changes that won't be going upstream.
[06:55] <manchicken> And the conflicts would be numerous.
[06:56] <manchicken> Ah, one thing I see on the mailing list looks like the new apt integrates with apport.
[06:56] <manchicken> Which is a good idea...
[06:56] <manchicken> But that doesn't sound like a change that would have any compatibility impact on adept.
[06:57] <manchicken> Unless they're now also adding in apport support for adept.
[06:57] <manchicken> I just don't like the "we should update it because we can update it" mentality :)
[06:59] <manchicken> For that path leads to both death and destruction./
[07:47] <manchicken> I think I may have a patch soon.
[07:48] <Hobbsee> yay!
[07:51] <manchicken> I'm also going to try to install KDE4 into /usr/local/kde4
[07:57] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Do you know if Riddell applied the patch for bug #119089 about developer changelogs not working with proxies/
[07:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089
[07:57] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i have no idea.  it'd be fairly easy to check though
[07:59] <Hobbsee> manchicken: doesnt appear to be in bzr
[07:59] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no he hasnt
[07:59] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[08:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: please do
[08:01] <Hobbsee> 04:33 < nixternal> I need to start working on weekly KDE Trunk Snapshots
[08:01] <nixternal> oh
[08:02] <nixternal> working on that now, and watching aKademy talks :)
[08:02] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[08:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: are you doing them for yourself, or the entire kubuntu?
[08:02] <nixternal> so far soprano is done
[08:02] <nixternal> entire Kubuntu!
[08:02] <Hobbsee> right
[08:02] <Hobbsee> excellent :)
[08:02] <Hobbsee> are they coinstallable with kde3?
[08:03] <nixternal> probably going to need a little JR guidance to start out with since the KDE 4 build process once again changed for KDE 4 Alpha 2
[08:03] <Hobbsee> ahh
[08:05] <manchicken> Patch uploaded for bug #48627
[08:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48627 in adept "Poor resolution of "database locked" problem" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48627
[08:08] <manchicken> qt-copy takes a while to compile.
[08:12] <nixternal> manchicken: you don't need to compile qt-copy :)
[08:15] <_marseillais> hi
[08:16] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, have you seen bug 124047 ?
[08:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124047 in kubuntu-restricted-extras "add libtunepimp5-mp3 dependance to kubuntu-restricted-extras" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124047
[08:16] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: i believe it's in my inbox, yes.
[08:16] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: wrong source package
[08:17] <_marseillais> mmmmmmmmmmm i took it in gutsy source. :(
[08:17] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-restricted-extras/
[08:17] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: it's now https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-extras/
[08:18] <_marseillais> so i in kubuntu we should add ubuntu-restricted-extras ????
[08:19] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: do "apt-cache showsrc ubuntu-restricted-extras | grep Binary"
[08:19] <_marseillais> i'm on windows at work currently
[08:19] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ apt-cache showsrc ubuntu-restricted-extras | grep Binary
[08:19] <Hobbsee> Binary: ubuntu-restricted-extras, kubuntu-restricted-extras, xubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:19] <Hobbsee> Binary: ubuntu-restricted-extras, kubuntu-restricted-extras, xubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:19] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: launchpad goes by source package name, not binary name
[08:20] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: u-r-e actually produces multiple binaries
[08:20] <_marseillais> oki
[08:20] <_marseillais> so i'll do my patch again but with u-r-e
[08:20] <Hobbsee> as in, there were separate sources, then i decided it was smarter to do it with one source, and multiple binaries
[08:20] <manchicken> nixternal: Have you compiled kde4 lately from svn?
[08:20] <nixternal> yup
[08:21] <nixternal> err, on Gutsy though...but I think Qt 4.3 is in feisty as well
[08:21] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: i can script that fairly easily - you dont need to diff, if you dont want to
[08:21] <manchicken> nixternal: Did you compile your own Qt4?
[08:21] <nixternal> no, I used the Qt 4.3 that is in the repos
[08:21] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[08:21] <nixternal> in feisty it may be the *-kdecopy files
[08:21] <manchicken> I'm on gutsy
[08:24] <nixternal> then you are good to go
[08:24] <manchicken> nixternal: Wanna test my adept patch?
[08:24] <nixternal> I am in chroot hell right now :)
[08:24] <serzholino> in feisty is qt 4.2.3
[08:25] <manchicken> nixternal: That's not a very good excuse :)
[08:25] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, doing this diff makes me work on this sort of package too... and it gives you freetime
[08:26] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: :)
[08:26] <nixternal> it is if you want a kde 4 alpha 2 package :)
[08:30] <manchicken> It's so nice developing on the real machine rather than in a chroot :)
[08:31] <Hobbsee> does anyone want to go to work for me today?
[08:32] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I wouldn't mind doing so, but I'm afraid I'd be unable to arrive while it is still the current day there.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> manchicken: darn.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> no.  no.  i cant do that.  it woudl be unwise.
[08:35] <Hobbsee> pity, though
[08:36] <manchicken> What evil thought?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i'll query you with it
[08:38] <manchicken> ok
[08:46] <nixternal> wo0t...kdelibs is rolling
[08:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I know you haven't started querying your evil thoughts..that is so unlike you :)
[08:48] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:48] <nixternal> so is manchicken 2.0 sleeping through the night yet?
[08:49] <nixternal> manchicken: I expect him to be using slackware by the time he is 2 ;)
[08:49] <manchicken> Well, manchicken2.0 is sound asleep (I assume) in the womb still.
[08:49] <nixternal> oh ya...wth did I think he was born already
[08:49] <manchicken> We're 12 weeks along :)
[08:49] <manchicken> Still a ways to go.
[08:49] <nixternal> oh ya, Yossi from the LUG just had the kid ;p
[08:49] <manchicken> Cool.
[08:49] <nixternal> to many people having kids these days
[08:50] <manchicken> heh
[08:50] <Tonio_> yop guys !!!
[08:50] <nixternal> hola Tonio_
[08:50] <manchicken> Tonio_: Salut.  Ca-va?
[08:50] <Tonio_> manchicken: trs bien :)
[08:50] <manchicken> Bien :)
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_!
[08:51] <Tonio_> manchicken: et toi ?
[08:51] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: why hiding from me?
[08:51] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[08:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm hiding just because..... well, I'm still slipping I guess
[08:52] <manchicken> Je suis fatigue, mais bien :)
[08:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you should try the latest dolphin
[08:52] <nixternal> holy moly, slackware 12.0 was just released...been a long long time since I really last used that
[08:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it's in the repos, and I added a kds config file for it
[08:52] <manchicken> nixternal: Did you use strigi in the repos or did you compile it?
[08:52] <nixternal> Tonio_: speaking of dolphin, in the changelog you added d3lphinrc :)
[08:52] <nixternal> manchicken: compiled it
[08:53] <manchicken> Okay.
[08:53] <Tonio_> nixternal: that's normal
[08:53] <nixternal> k
[08:53] <Tonio_> nixternal: in fact d3lphin = dolphin
[08:53] <Tonio_> nixternal: but dolphin != d3lphin
[08:53] <Tonio_> nixternal: follow me ?
[08:53] <nixternal> umm, sure :)
[08:53] <manchicken> How does one change the splash screen artwork for kubuntu?  I never knew how to do that.  It seems like I'm stuck on the ichthux boot screen.
[08:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: neat :)
[08:53] <manchicken> I'd love to test out the new one.
[08:54] <nixternal> manchicken: kde-kdm-themes
[08:54] <nixternal> !info kde-kdm-themes
[08:54] <ubotu> kde-kdm-themes: Themes for the K Display Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2007.01-1 (feisty), package size 2359 kB, installed size 2636 kB
[08:54] <nixternal> ya, make sure I got that right
[08:54] <manchicken> I'm not talking KDM, I'm talking boot.
[08:54] <nixternal> ahh, there is a usplash package somewhere
[08:54] <nixternal> all of my usplash hacks have been failures though
[08:54] <manchicken> Can one change it via a config file?
[08:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll try to add the konqueror zoom effect today, and then focus on the ark servicemenus
[08:55] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[08:55] <nixternal> kde4libs alpha 2 is at 15% :(
[08:58] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:58] <Hobbsee> night nixternal
[08:59] <manchicken> I should probably sleep, too.  I've got to go house hunting tomorrow.
[09:18] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm on that fade thing for kdesudo now.. sorry for the delay
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: been pretty crazy here.
[10:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fantastic :) you rock :)
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thanks, again I'm sorry for the delay
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: family life takes much of the time ;)
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can understand this, of course
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not like the old days where you could sit for weeks @ 24/7 to do stuff ;)
[10:44] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah this is just sweet stuff.. it seems like kdesudo now uses the WType_Popup (a borderless window) which is required for the background fade
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: had to hack kdelibs / kdialogbase a bit ;)
[11:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[12:40] <xerosis> Tonio_: does dolphin support plugins?
[12:43] <Tonio_> xerosis: no
[12:43] <Tonio_> xerosis: that's the main issue we have with it
[12:43] <Tonio_> xerosis: no ark support for example
[12:44] <xerosis> Tonio_: any plans to?
[12:44] <Tonio_> xerosis: we're thinking of what todo indeed
[12:45] <xerosis> Tonio_: i'm doing some work a back-up system and integration with dolphin would be ideal
[12:45] <Tonio_> xerosis: sure, I'm planning to work on dolphin in the next days, let's make a point once this ends
[12:45] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:46] <xerosis> Tonio_: no rush, was just enquiring so i can plan in my head :)
[12:46] <Tonio_> sure ;)
[12:46] <xerosis> Tonio_: offtopic: do you know paris well?
[12:47] <Tonio_> xerosis: I lived in paris for 4 years, so yes :)
[12:48] <xerosis> Tonio_: excellent, well i'm there in a couple of weeks but I've done all the tourist bits, is there any hidden gems? places to eat, bars etc?
[12:49] <Tonio_> the best place to go to in the evening is "quartier bastille"
[12:50] <Tonio_> take the metro, line 1, then stop at "bastille" and that's it
[12:50] <Tonio_> by far my prefered place to go in in paris :)
[12:50] <Tonio_> then I'd say that most of the tourist place are nice too
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm away today
[12:51] <xerosis> Tonio_: thanks :)
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki ;)
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I uploaded the latest dolphin, kds dolphin config, and I'm planning to add the kcm-componentchooser thing toonight
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: just fyi :)
[02:22] <_marseillais> Tonio_, i know you can't name d3lphin dolphin but i have to say you it's really very disturbing for people like me wich use krunner (alt+F2)
[02:23] <_marseillais> and another thing in default configuration right and left bar are configure to show bookmark! the right one is not on "info"
[02:23] <Tonio_> _marseillais: I added a symlink, you can use both
[02:24] <_marseillais> Tonio_, in gutsy up2date it doesn't work with krunner
[02:25] <_marseillais> i think krunner use .desktop files did you do one for dolphin ?
[02:34] <_marseillais> network-manager now depends on libgnome*
[02:38] <_marseillais> Tonio_, for dolphin my fault it is Dolphin and not dolphin
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:59] <_marseillais> hey Hobbsee i've update my patch for ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:59] <Hobbsee> yay!
[04:55] <Lure> Tonio_: n-m: do you plan to enable vpn support in knm?
[05:00] <Tonio_> Lure: done
[05:00] <Tonio_> ;)
[05:00] <Tonio_> and it works
[05:02] <Lure> Tonio_: nice, need to try this out in near future...
[05:03] <Tonio_> yup :)
[05:15] <dholbach> hiya
[05:15] <dholbach> hunger just released a new decibel - who would be up to packaging it?
[05:17] <hunger> Ho there...
[05:17] <hunger> just poke me if you run into trouble packaging the stuff;-)
[05:31] <nixternal> did the new decibel get packaged yet?
[05:31] <hunger> nixternal: Nope.
[05:32] <nixternal> 0.4.0 I take it, since it was released today :)
[05:32] <hunger> nixternal: That's the one.
[05:32] <nixternal> rock on..I will take a look here and see what I can whip up...working on KDE4 alpha 2 packages still
[05:32] <hunger> nixternal: Feel free to hit me if you run into trouble packaging it.
[05:33] <nixternal> will do, thanks!
[05:34] <ScottK> Hobbsee: If you talk to him he's going to think you like him....
[05:34] <Hobbsee> ScottK: who in particular?
[05:34] <ScottK> on ubuntu-bugs
[05:35] <ScottK> Got to run.  I'll be back later.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ScottK: then i'll just have to tell him exactly what i think of him.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ScottK: put it this way.  i'm not out for a romantic relationship, in the general case.  anyone who *might* be getting close to that, will know otherwise.
[05:36] <ScottK> OK.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> :_)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> at least, that's my logic
[05:37] <Hobbsee> and yes, i'm direct
[05:37] <Hobbsee> and no, i'm not always out to be particularly liked by everyone.  as in, if you're annoying me, no, i probably wont be continuing to speak to you
[05:38] <ScottK> See you all later.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> have fun, say hi to crimsun for me!
[05:38] <nixternal> alrighty, test building decibel now, which was a very simple uupdate
[05:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:39] <nixternal> ScottK: kick crimsun in the shin and tell him nixternal said "get the intel audio fixed!"
[05:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: he'll just reply "I cant fix the audio on vista, it's closed source, you know"
[05:39] <nixternal> man, DC is going to be filled with us Ubuntu people
[05:39] <nixternal> Hobbsee: har har
[05:40] <nixternal> Kubuntu and Xorg, aren't all that great if you have tricky configs
[05:41] <nixternal> I have a 19" widescreen LCD, and in order to use it, I have to use the FGLRX driver...no problem, however getting everything to work doesn't do it through System Settings for some reason, so I have to go out and dpkg-reconfigure
[05:41] <nixternal> actually, that shouldn't be a tricky config, it should just work
[05:42] <nixternal> 19" widescreens are becoming more common it seems
[05:42] <sahin_w> nixternal: Thanks for the updated kvirc! You rule.
[05:42] <nixternal> why thank you :)
[05:43] <sahin_w> nixternal: Because that was the fastest fix what I've seen till I open a bug on launchap.
[05:44] <sahin_w> launchpad
[05:44] <nixternal> woohoo, I did something fast for once! When it is KDE related and there is a security issue, I tend to hop right on it. I did the same for KTorrent, and of course Kees was a huge help like always
[05:45] <nixternal> although the KVIrc fix was fast, about 1 day total I think
[05:45] <sahin_w> Kvirc my favorite irc client, however I use ktorrent frequently too.
[05:45] <nixternal> KVIrc is like irssi on steroids
[05:46] <sahin_w> Yep, I was an irssi user in the past.
[05:46] <sahin_w> + kvirc is qt based.
[05:46] <nixternal> ya, I am an irssi user now..I found it easier for my daily tasks
[05:48] <sahin_w> I prefer kvirc because so easy to configure to pass trough on my corporate firewall.
[05:48] <sahin_w> I have to use socks proxy.
[05:48] <sahin_w> Konversation don't have a built in socks proxy handling.
[05:48] <sahin_w> So sad.
[05:50] <nixternal> ya it is...konversation had a couple of annoyances that made me go back to irssi
[05:50] <nixternal> I know some have since been worked out, but like you said, proxy handling and the autowho floods was another issue
[05:51] <nixternal> lovely, tapioca needs to be updated first before decibel can be
[06:27] <Hobbsee> yay, nixternal :)
[06:27] <nixternal> yay what?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal: all this kdepim bug action
[06:28] <nixternal> ahhh, well if action is what you want, then action is what you get :)
[06:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:28] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me!
[07:38] <manchicken> Wuddup allee?
[07:38] <manchicken> Haven't heard from you in a while.  What's shakin'?
[07:42] <manchicken> kdelibs is so much fun to compile.  All the pretty letters scrolling across the screen forever...
[07:42] <Tm_T> manchicken: in pretty colours
[07:43] <manchicken> Oh, most definitely.
[07:44] <manchicken> It's a very pretty green.
[07:44] <Tm_T> no other colours? what a shame
[07:45] <manchicken> I see some red every once in a while.
[07:45] <manchicken> Mostly white and green.
[08:11] <ScottK> LongPointyStick: Thanks for the kdepim upload.  Now I have to upgrade to Gutsy I guess.
[08:11] <ScottK> LongPointyStick: Daniel says Hi back.
[08:34] <nixternal> should I create a KDE 4 debian/ personal branch on LP maybe?
[09:30] <manchicken> nixternal: That could take a while to maintain :)
[09:33] <manchicken> mhb: Just in case you hadn't seen, I put a patch up for the dpkg lock fixer.
[09:36] <manchicken> We don't use /usr/local very well.
[09:36] <manchicken> I would think that instead of /usr/lib/kde4 that we would just stick kde4 stuff into /usr/local/kde4 or something like that.
[09:37] <manchicken> I suppose it doesn't really matter, but I really do think that /usr/local/kde4 would make more sense.
[09:37] <ScottK> If it's packaged, then usr/local is pretty well off limits.
[09:37] <manchicken> I suppose.
[09:38] <nixternal> manchicken: tomorrow, or maybe tonight. I will have all of the KDE 4 Alpha 2 packages complete
[09:38] <manchicken> nixternal: Sweet.
[09:38] <manchicken> nixternal: I'm compiling right now for my own play, from SVN.
[09:38] <nixternal> I have them building on every machine available to me right now :)
[09:39] <manchicken> Nice.
[09:40] <manchicken> If I had the ability to do so without insight getting pissed, I'd open a hole for you to work on my machine.
[09:40] <manchicken> But my ISP sucks like that.
[09:40] <nixternal> I will explode if kde4libs don't build out because of a simple mistake somewhere
[09:40] <nixternal> for over an hour they have been building
[09:40] <manchicken> I just successfully built kdelibs from svn.
[09:41] <nixternal> the build itself is flawless, now lets see how it handles the .install files
[09:41] <manchicken> I'm building kdepimlibs now.
[09:41] <manchicken> nixternal: You're building me some amd64 packages, right?
[09:41] <manchicken> I'll be very sad if you're not.
[09:41] <manchicken> It'll make me cry.
[09:43] <nixternal> manchicken: they will all get built..doing i386 right now
[09:46] <manchicken> So sad.
[09:47] <nixternal> woohoo!!!
[09:48] <nixternal> the rest should be downhill now!
[10:07] <vprints> #Bug 123784
[10:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123784 in kopete "Notice of a new message arrived displays also on the same desktop where the chat window is even though the option to avoid it is turned on" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123784
[10:11] <manchicken> Is there any difference between the openoffice.org and openoffice.org2 packages?
[10:13] <ScottK> nixternal: That's not, "It's all downhill" the way it's all downhill after you jump out a plane without your parachute, is it?
[10:13] <nixternal> could be :)
[11:31] <ryanakca> ummmm.... has anybody's wallet disappeared recently, aka, within the past day?
[11:31] <ryanakca> KWalletManager shows no wallets... and kopete and KMail spit out 'QFile::open: No file name specified
[11:31] <ryanakca> ' type things
[11:41] <Lure> ryanakca: not here (up to date gutsy)
[11:43] <ryanakca> Lure: hmm... oh well, must just be a once in a lifetime thing....
[11:57] <xerosis> ryanakca: what back-up system do you use?