=== sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad [12:21] Well, thanks a lot jordi and carlos :) [12:22] I go to bed, good night :) === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === Silverfuelz [n=Aghorii@dsl-207-112-75-90.tor.primus.ca] has joined #launchpad === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.218.158.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #launchpad === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ is now known as poolie === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === oojah [n=roger@cpc1-nott6-0-0-cust436.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-076-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad === BFTD [n=thomas@adsl-71-149-247-111.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === merriam_ [n=merriam@84-12-20-189.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === faidillinger [n=faidilli@abo-49-240-68.guy.modulonet.fr] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === kiko is now known as kiko-zzz === BjornT [n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad [03:36] New bug: #124112 in malone "'Triaged' not in default advanced search" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124112 [03:40] I'm getting OOPSes reporting a bug on bzr [03:40] OOPS-551E260 [03:40] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/551E260 [03:41] jelmer: try using +filebug-advanced rather than +filebug in the URL :/ [03:41] (i.e. the "just let me file the bug and don't search for possible duplicates" form) [03:42] spiv: ah, thanks [03:42] that ubuto link gives me an auth prompt - or is that intentional? [03:42] jelmer: the timeout problem on +filebug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/86361 [03:42] Launchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste) [03:43] jelmer: that's intentional [03:53] LaserJock: ah, ok [03:54] spiv: btw, did you see I fixed the bug that was stopping svn-import on twisted? [03:54] jelmer: so, lightweight branches [03:54] jelmer: have you had the chat needed with poolie [03:56] lifeless: not yet - was working on an email about it that I hope to send tomorrow morning (or rather, this morning :-P) [03:57] I got a bit distracted and implemented a bzr-rebase plugin today [03:58] I saw :) === bihi__ [n=bihi@AFontenayssB-152-1-37-47.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #launchpad ["Quitte"] === radhios [n=radhios@200-122-44-55.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #launchpad [04:28] jelmer: yes, thanks! === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-43.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-65a47d6ab11e36cb] has joined #launchpad [06:26] hi mpt [06:29] hello hello === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #launchpad === tristanbob [n=tristan@oalug/member/tristanbob] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #launchpad === spiv [n=andrew@canonical/launchpad/spiv] has joined #launchpad === fernando1102 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-0c66b0427d0226e0] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@85.15.21.202] has joined #launchpad === fernando1102 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-0c66b0427d0226e0] has left #launchpad [] === zwnj [n=behnam@85.15.21.202] has joined #launchpad === brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-67.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.216.218.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #launchpad === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-218-35.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === OGDA [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.216.218.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #launchpad === OGDA is now known as BFTS === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === kompressor [n=kompress@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-50e9a64e9e7a55f9] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=allenap@212.233.38.205] has joined #launchpad === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [09:11] morning === carlos_ is now known as carlos === ddaa [n=david@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-43.dsl.telstraclear.net] has left #launchpad ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [09:30] morning carlos [09:30] kompressor: hi === schwuk [i=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #launchpad [09:47] are uploads to team-ppa's supposed to work? 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[Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124162 [11:30] New bug: #124163 in launchpad-answers "add ability to preview bug reports and comments" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124163 === intellectronica [i=intellec@nat/canonical/x-34047cef8cb38d0d] has joined #launchpad [11:33] carlos, why do translation pages often have "Translated and reviewed by:" followed by an empty space? [11:33] Is it to make clear that the string has not been reviewed yet? [11:33] or is it just a bug? [11:33] e.g. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+pots/bootloader/de/+translate?start=60 [11:34] mpt: I think we talked about that already [11:34] mpt: and it was a problem with your browser [11:34] or am I mixing something? [11:34] not sure whether it was with that field of the 'coming from' entry [11:34] mpt: do you remember that conversation? [11:35] mpt: when you looked at the html source you saw the information so seems like it was a CSS problem [11:35] carlos, oh, right! [11:35] sorry, I forgot [11:35] New bug: #124166 in launchpad-answers "add a target link anchor to every comment in bugs discussions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124166 [11:37] no worries [11:37] and I don't think I ever reported a bug on it, either [11:38] oh yes I did, bug 119390 [11:38] Launchpad bug 119390 in rosetta ""Translated and reviewed by:" data is invisible in Safari" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119390 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.226] has joined #launchpad === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-3cab212b3fd2db67] has joined #launchpad === [Utah] tristanbob [n=tristan@137.190.80.252] has joined #launchpad === Dvyjones [i=c15aedfd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-9a372d59f63b5617] has joined #launchpad === jcs [n=jcspray@dot1x-128.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #launchpad [12:25] New bug: #124175 in malone "Notify debbugs (debian bug tracking system) in linked bugs when bug get fixed in ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124175 [12:28] Thank you === GladyoTR [n=GladyoTR@85.102.56.50] has joined #launchpad === brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-67.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #launchpad [01:09] hello world === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === tristanbob [n=tristan@oalug/member/tristanbob] has joined #launchpad [01:20] hey statik [01:22] hi mrevell [01:22] statik: just belatedly replying to your "hello world" :) [01:23] ah right :) === jas2o [n=Jason@WNPP-p-203-54-32-41.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #launchpad === Spads [i=spacehob@nat/canonical/x-b218342bc45fbd18] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad [01:46] morning, folks === barry-away is now known as barry [01:50] Hi cprov. [01:51] Fujitsu: hey, how is it going ? [01:52] cprov: Not bad. Yourself? [01:52] Fujitsu: well, getting better, I'd say :) [01:53] Soyuz is still eating a lot of uploads, but the few I've done seem to have survived. [01:58] Fujitsu: err, how do you mean ? rejected uploads w/o notification ? [02:00] cprov: Right. DB permission violations, AFAICR. [02:01] yes, I noticed that as well for g-wrap [02:02] Fujitsu: just remove the LP-closes-bugs page from the Changes file, I observed that soyuz accepts it then [02:02] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8312458/fSl6HTFlQliJLUZlM1vUKk7DaiY.txt is one example. [02:02] closing-bugs === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad === carlos -> lunch === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-4a80c37e0adb22f6] has joined #launchpad === geser [i=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@201-14-57-210.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad [02:35] New bug: #124191 in soyuz "Package upload breaks if they try to close a bug that is linked to a question" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124191 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === radhios [n=radhios@96-208-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #launchpad === Dvyjones [n=dvyjones@cFDED5AC1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #launchpad === gmb is now known as gmb-afk === geser [i=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad [02:49] Hi everyone! [02:49] Bonjour! [02:49] Hallo! [02:49] N ho! [02:49] Hei kaikki [02:49] Czesc! [02:49] Ciao! === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee waves [02:51] General Error [02:51] SQL ERROR [ mysql4 ] [02:51] Unknown database 'filmer_forum' [1049] [02:51] An sql error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact an administrator if this problem persists. [02:51] lol, forum uploaded, but not installed (http://filmer.wikia.com/forum) [02:52] Sorry, wrong channel === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === gmb-afk is now known as gmb === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable040.144-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === GladyoTR is away: Megul ! === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-2973fe3cc7bef063] has joined #launchpad === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@foresight/developer/OgMaciel] has joined #launchpad === adeuring [i=abel@nat/canonical/x-600200f4dd6be606] has joined #launchpad === sinzui [n=sinzui@pool-70-17-90-196.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === jsk [n=jonathan@87.114.149.173.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #launchpad === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad [03:56] me [03:56] me [03:57] early people. === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/rinchen] has joined #launchpad [03:58] me [03:58] fa so la [03:58] dough, ray, me [03:59] mom, me [03:59] me === Hobbsee beeps convincingly, and waves antlers [03:59] em dash [03:59] c'mon guys, the roll call wasn't calle dyet [03:59] pay attention! [03:59] me [03:59] flacoste: spoilsport [03:59] them [03:59] him [04:00] us === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-218-35.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad [04:00] Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating about Launchpad development. [04:00] Who is here today? [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me === allenap_ is now known as allenap [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me === kiko misses tom [04:00] me [04:00] salgado is on vacation [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] New bug: #124205 in blueprint "timeout in specworkload page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124205 === bigjools read that as kisses for a second [04:01] bigjools: too used to chatting in your younger days? :) [04:01] [04:01] == Agenda == [04:01] * Roll call [04:01] * Agenda [04:01] * Next meeting [04:01] * Actions from last meeting [04:01] * Oops report (Matsubara) [04:02] * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] ) [04:02] * Bug tags [04:02] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:02] * DBA report (stub) [04:02] * Sysadmin requests === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad [04:02] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:02] ---- [04:02] * Infrastructure: Auth server going away. (SteveA) [04:02] * The launchpad-bazaar people who do not attend the main meeting would appreciate the meeting minutes being sent out by email (mwhudson) [04:02] * (other items) [04:02] ---- [04:02] * Blockers [04:02] [04:02] who is acting as an envoy for the bzrlp team? [04:02] me [04:02] ok [04:03] Next meeting, same time next week. Various people will be at the EuroPython conference. [04:03] including me [04:03] and me [04:03] are we setting the chair for the meeting today, or will it end up being mpt as usual? :) [04:03] actions from the last meeting [04:04] * jamesh to follow up on bug 58220 [04:04] Launchpad bug 58220 in launchpad "When an error occurs processing a request another oops is recorded because there's no interaction set up." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58220 - Assigned to James Henstridge (jamesh) [04:04] I have not followed up on it yet. [04:04] ok, let's leave it on the agenda for next week to track it [04:05] * Oops report (Matsubara) [04:05] Today's oops report is about bug 124205 [04:05] jsk, you've been doing some work optimizing other blueprint pages. Can you take that one? [04:05] Launchpad bug 124205 in blueprint "timeout in specworkload page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124205 [04:05] matsubara: it sounds familiar - I'll take it. :) [04:06] jsk: thanks. if you need more oops samples let me know in the report. [04:06] matsubara: will do. [04:06] that's it SteveA, back to you. [04:06] * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] ) [04:06] Howdy [04:07] Everyone has been doing a great job with bugs recently [04:07] Thank you for that. [04:07] I'd like to thank Bjorn for reporting and taking Bug #124191 in Salgado's absence. [04:07] Launchpad bug 124191 in soyuz "Package upload breaks if they try to close a bug that is linked to a question" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124191 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt) [04:07] SteveA, that's all for today. We're looking good this week. [04:07] Rinchen, what does salgado have to do with that bug? :) [04:08] kiko, it's soyuz :-) === kiko gives Rinchen his medicine. [04:08] thanks Rinchen and matsubara [04:08] * Bug tags -- no new tags proposed [04:08] Rinchen, now, what does salgado have to do with soyuz? [04:08] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:08] Will be rolling out Cherry Picks on LaunchpadProductionStatus page today [04:08] Devel merge to Edge working again [04:08] that's about it from me [04:09] thanks === Rinchen takes his medicine. :-) That was supposed to be cprov :-) [04:09] * DBA report (stub) [04:09] DB patches for 1.1.7 are backlogged at the moment due to sprint. Clearing this will be my priority next week. [04:09] Nothing else to report. [04:09] thanks [04:09] * Sysadmin requests [04:09] thanks stub [04:10] stub, there's a question from danilo for you on the ML, btw. [04:10] SteveA, We're good on my end. Does anyone have anything urgent that I'm not already aware of? [04:10] 3 [04:10] 2 [04:10] 1 [04:10] Rinchen: my "get loggerhead into PQM" ticket, but it's not urgent [04:11] mwhudson, ok, I'll ping you about it's importance today [04:11] mwhudson: will be working on that in the next few days [04:11] anyone else? [04:11] Rinchen, mthaddon: great! [04:11] SteveA, over to you [04:11] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:11] hi [04:11] I'd like to highlight something slightly different for this week's user-affecting issue. [04:11] I'm planning to change the Launchpad user meetings to form part of the regular Launchpad development cycle. [04:12] I'd like to know if people think it would be more useful to have the meeting either: [04:12] Just after ComingFeatures is updated with the next release's planned features. This would be a good chance to raise questions/objections/etc about planned features. [04:12] or [04:12] A couple of days before the release itself. This would keep new features fresh in people's minds but would have to be primarily informational, as there'd be no time for changes to the release. [04:12] I've posted to the launchpad-users mailing list, so please reply to my mail there. [04:12] Thanks SteveA. [04:12] mrevell, I vote for the former. [04:12] it's a good idea [04:12] thanks [04:12] kiko: thanks [04:12] right after ComingFeatures [04:13] * Infrastructure: Auth server going away. (SteveA) [04:13] kiko: Yeah [04:13] stub, spiv, me, barry and bac had a call today [04:13] to talk about how we do the kind of infrastructure that connects together different services that we run [04:13] right now, we use the mis-named "authserver" for this [04:14] in the near future, the authentication portion of the authserver will be turned off, as we'll be using the launchpad single sign on service for wikis instead [04:14] the general rule for connecting such systems together will be [04:15] - if appropriate, have a direct connection to the launchpad database on the remote system [04:15] rock on [04:15] - otherwise, use http / xmlrpc, on "internal" views written and tested within the launchpad web application server [04:15] these are distinct from any external public apis we offer [04:15] and are available only to particular machines in the data centre [04:16] I'll be working with barry on the infrastructure needed to support this [04:16] as barry needs it for his mailing lists work [04:16] is this going to affect our local development methods if we are working strictly on LP? or is this only for 'external' services? [04:16] so we're bringing back the "backend" web server? [04:16] (like wiki, forums and such) [04:16] when that's ready, we'll look at moving remaining authserver APIs to use that new service [04:16] jamesh: yes [04:16] okay [04:17] the service will run on a new launchpad instance dedicated specifically to serving internal APIs [04:17] mwhudson: please ensure jml knows about this [04:17] SteveA: ok [04:17] as I think it will influence his work [04:17] I'll be mailing about this later today [04:18] is there a timescale yet? [04:18] 1.1.8 I expect [04:18] barry and I need to talk about htat [04:18] ok, pretty soon [04:18] hopefully so, because mailing lists will be blocking on that [04:19] any other comments? [04:19] ok, thanks [04:19] * The launchpad-bazaar people who do not attend the main meeting would appreciate the meeting minutes being sent out by email (mwhudson) [04:19] isn't there a wiki page they can read? [04:19] There is, but I haven't been prompt in compiling it [04:19] i think a sufficiently cunning subscription might do this, on reflection [04:20] I could do that on Fridays from now on [04:20] mpt: ah, ok, I know you've been rocking with that before whenever I needed it [04:20] mpt: i think thumper and jml would appreciate that [04:21] Is there a launchpad-bazaar@ mailing list I could send to, or should I send the notes to launchpad@ as a whole? === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad [04:21] send notes to the launchpad list [04:21] mwhudson: finished? [04:21] ok. [04:21] SteveA: yes [04:21] I shall do that. [04:21] thanks mwhudson and mpt [04:21] * Blockers [04:22] TEAM: infrastructure BLOCKED: no [04:22] TEAM: blueprint BLOCKED: no [04:22] TEAM: answers BLOCKED: no [04:22] TEAM: Soyuz BLOCKED: no [04:22] TEAM: mailing lists BLOCKED: no [04:22] TEAM: code hosting BLOCKED: no [04:22] TEAM: commercialization BLOCKED: no [04:22] TEAM: bug tracker BLOCKED: no [04:22] TEAM: UI-team-of-one BLOCKED: no [04:22] TEAM: translations BLOCKED: no [04:23] great. thanks everyone. [04:23] TEAM: kiko and 1.1.7: BLOCKED: stub for DB reviews and work, mthaddon to assist with various important tasks, BjornT, salgado, statik, thumper: post-sprint spec analysis and milestone plans [04:23] and on SteveA: bugzilla work review [04:24] thanks [04:24] kiko: we have some time left. anything to do with the release cycle you want to talk about? [04:24] sure! [04:24] how is this week going? [04:25] fantastic [04:25] any branches looking like they are in trouble? [04:25] kiko: mozilla XPI exports will not be ready [04:25] any 1.1.7 goals people are concerned about? [04:25] kiko: my xmlrpc branches won't make it because of the previously described dependency [04:25] barry, right. [04:25] carlos, what's up? [04:26] kiko: I'm still finishing the infrastructure changes needed before implementing that and I doubt I will have it done tomorrow (I expect to finish infrastructure today) [04:26] kiko: Supporting Mantis will not be ready [04:26] I just got sick, so don't think I'll be able to do much more on online distroseries translation updates. [04:26] allenap, you forgot to ask me for my branch! [04:26] kiko: well, I think I would have it done next week, but will not follow the new rules so it would have to wait until next cycle to be deployed [04:26] kiko: I've not had time yet, too slow :( But I will ask soon [04:26] allenap, okay, no problem. [04:27] kiko: ArchiveRemovalRedesign won't be ready too. [04:27] carlos, well, at least import makes it [04:27] cprov, I think that's blocked on the IArchive work that bigjools is doing anyway, right? [04:27] kiko: yeah, will be focus on testing it deeply next week [04:27] kiko: I will have to sort implementation detail with julian next week [04:27] kiko: righto [04:27] cprov, yeah. with IArchive.distribution it might become a lot clearer [04:27] kiko: can we cope with that ? [04:28] yeah, that's fine [04:28] kiko: also, we will be able to test new export infrastructure in this cycle, so it shouldn't be so bad... [04:28] kiko: ok [04:28] carlos, that will be good. keep at the infrastructure and if the remaining firefox stuff is simple we could get it in as an exception for next week, if there's a reviewer free. but first things first. [04:28] sure [04:29] allenap, okay. the mantis work I have is a big hammer but it works and just needs tests -- if you're not too busy tomorrow you could actually finish up tests and put it up for review. [04:29] jtv, take some medicine and hack away, only one day remaining :-) [04:29] kiko: I'll give it a go! [04:29] allenap, it already does all the fetching, authentication and updating locally [04:29] it just does it in a very horrible way :) [04:29] and has no tests :) [04:30] okay. [04:30] anything else people want to bring up? [04:30] kiko: To be honest, I don't know my way around that area very well, so the chances are slim. [04:30] allenap, yeah, not a problem [04:30] SteveA, mwhudson: I'm not looking very favorably on cherry-picking for a lightning talk at europython.. [04:30] do any of you want to make a case for it? [04:31] it's not for a lightning talk [04:31] it's not? [04:31] it's for demonstrating to potential users [04:31] Sounds like a use for demo.lp.net [04:31] we have a lot of potential users of just the sort we want to attract at EP [04:31] but there isn't bazaar.demo.lp.net is there? [04:31] stub: we don't have a bazaar.demo.launchpad.net set up [04:32] why not set that up, then? [04:32] so I think it's important we show bzr related stuff at its best [04:32] even if we did [04:32] it is not the same [04:32] SteveA, what's the concrete benefit from this cherry-pick? [04:32] I mean, in terms of what the end-user will see in a common case? [04:32] see, if we get some people working on bzr branches from a demo site [04:32] they won't continue to do so after EP [04:33] getting projects from launchpad, eg python, will be a lot faster [04:33] the initial branch or pull [04:33] kiko: waaaay faster initial push/pull is the main thing, i think [04:33] and that's important for a good initial impression [04:33] mwhudson, like how much difference for a project the size of bzr? [04:33] seconds or minutes? [04:33] don't make me give excuses when I'm trying to sell something :-) [04:34] helloooo [04:34] kiko: i'm not actually sure, trying to dig numbers out of my bazaar list folder [04:35] mwhudson, okay, ping me when you have something [04:35] if it's significant I will give it thumbs-up [04:35] kiko: something like ~4 minutes -> 20s [04:35] if it's not I won't [04:35] wow [04:35] really [04:35] mwhudson, how risky is the branch? will it cherry-pick fine? [04:35] that wasn't for a launchpad setup though [04:35] even more for folks like you who have less-than-ideal connectivity [04:36] or... at a conference with shared wifi [04:37] the rest of this discussion can happen after the meeting [04:37] yes [04:37] kiko: i don't know the code very well, can dig into it [04:37] meanwhile, mpt, would you chair next week's meeting? [04:37] (danilo gave you a resounding endorsement earlier :-) ) [04:37] heh [04:37] kiko: it shouldn't really affect people who use sftp [04:37] SteveA, sure [04:37] thanks mpt [04:37] thank you everyone [04:37] jamesh, in terms of being a risk you mean? [04:37] MEETING ENDS [04:37] kiko: yes. [04:38] jamesh, would you +1 the cherry-pick based on your knowledge of the code? [04:38] just want to get an unbiased recommendation as I don't know the branch's impact [04:38] kiko: the code paths diverge in the ssh server at the point where it picks between the sftp subsystem and running a command [04:39] jamesh, cool. is that a +1 though? :) [04:39] kiko: the main possible problem is if the new code manages to take down the entire server [04:39] so, there's little risk to the existing service. there is a risk that the new HPSS service will not work well [04:39] kiko: that said, the new code just spawns a bzr subprocess and forwards stdin/stdout === jsk [n=jonathan@87.114.149.173.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has left #launchpad ["Konversation] [04:40] I'll also note that as this doesn't touch database stuff, we can roll it back easily enough [04:40] kiko: something that is pretty well tested in pretty much every ssh implementation :) [04:40] okayu [04:40] kiko: I think the biggest risk is that it simply doesn't work. [04:40] thanks for your input, I'm +1ing it based on this. [04:40] thanks for the great answers. [04:41] thanks for following a thorough process of examination, kiko [04:41] yeah, thanks kiko === GladyoTR is back (gone 01:32:24) [04:43] the other risk is that there is an exploitable vulnerability in the bzr code === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad [04:43] but I don't think that is particularly likely either [04:43] jamesh, well, yeah, but... === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has left #launchpad [] === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad [04:59] isn't there a way to see someone's public ssh key on launchpad? === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad [05:00] launchpad.net/~whoever/+sshkeys [05:03] radix: ^ [05:03] hmm [05:04] yeah, ok [05:04] sorry, I was confused because mfen gave me the wrong username :) === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.219.201.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=emilio@4.Red-88-3-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [05:45] New bug: #124221 in launchpad "Launchpad Needs a Data Preservation and Removal Policy" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124221 === kiko is now known as kiko-afk === flacoste is now known as flacoste_lunch === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-37e55c65f799107b] has joined #launchpad === GladyoTR [n=GladyoTR@85.102.93.247] has joined #launchpad === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-53.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad [07:05] is there a way to push a "bug" from Malone to Answers? === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === kiko-afk is now known as kiko-fud === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@foresight/developer/OgMaciel] has joined #launchpad === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #launchpad === gmb is now known as gmb-afk === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === flacoste_lunch is now known as flacoste [07:45] New bug: #124246 in launchpad "Location bar link is pointing to products/" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124246 [07:46] BjornT: around? [07:49] hi LaserJock [07:49] BjornT: do you know of any way to move a "bug" to Answers? [07:50] I remember some discussion of doing it automatically, but I don't think that's been done [07:51] LaserJock: no, there's no easy way of doing that atm. it's planned to make it possible to convert a bug to a question and move it to the answer tracker. [07:53] LaserJock: i'm not sure when that will be implemented, but it's on the roadmap for the next 6 months at least. === kiko-fud is now known as kiko [07:53] kiko! [07:54]