[02:39] <scarecrow_> I am using ATI Radeon x1650 on Feisty n my max res is 1024x768. Is there any way i can increase the resolution?
[02:40] <linxeh> you want #ubuntu - but yeah, there are instructions on the wiki I think
[02:40] <linxeh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:43] <scarecrow_> thanx linxeh lemme c how far i can go with that.
[03:37] <ed1t> where did the gutsy gibbon name come from?
[03:41] <crdlb> the vast and mysterious mind of Mark Shuttleworth :)
[03:42] <ed1t> cool
[04:14] <hwilde> !ubotu ?
[04:15] <hwilde> can you guys reset ubotu
[04:19] <hwilde> !ping
[04:19] <ubotu> pong
[04:20] <hwilde> sweet thanks
[05:05] <tommy_> is the final kernel 2.6.22 out yet, or still beta testing?
[05:13] <voidmage> nope, still rc7
[06:39] <pwnguin> why does alsa have a popup to tell me to run a command?
[06:39] <pwnguin> and is it strictly nessecary?
[06:40] <pwnguin>  asoundconf set-default-card
[06:41] <crimsun> pwnguin: yes, it is.
[06:42] <crimsun> the check in currenty gutsy is much saner than in Tribe 2
[06:42] <crimsun> current*
[06:55] <pwnguin> crimsun: it just seems a bit silly that a) i have to run this instead of a script, and b) there's only one card from asoundconf list
[07:02] <crimsun> pwnguin: you only get that notification if both 1) ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf exists, 2) asoundconf is-active returns true
[07:02] <crimsun> pwnguin: so which alsa-lib version are you updating to?
[07:03] <pwnguin> i didnt check
[07:03] <pwnguin> whatever is in gutsy right now
[07:04] <crimsun> and what did you update from?
[07:04] <pwnguin> probably gutsy proposed
[07:04] <crimsun> err...
[07:04] <pwnguin> oh
[07:04] <crimsun> gutsy-proposed doesn't exist.
[07:04] <crimsun>   alsa-lib | 1.0.14-1ubuntu5 |         gutsy | source
[07:04] <pwnguin> ok
[07:05] <crimsun> that's the current version.
[07:05] <pwnguin> hmm
[07:05] <pwnguin> apt-cache shows 13
[07:06] <pwnguin> for -base
[07:07] <crimsun> no, that's a binary package generated from alsa-driver
[07:07] <pwnguin> ah
[07:07] <crimsun> you'd want `apt-cache policy libasound2`
[07:07] <pwnguin> .14
[07:08] <crimsun> .14-1ubuntu??
[07:08] <pwnguin> 5
[07:08] <crimsun> ok, that's correct.
[07:08] <pwnguin> i had no doubts it was
[07:08] <crimsun> now, ls -l ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:09] <pwnguin> lemme switch this irc to my laptop
[07:09] <pwnguin> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2082 2007-06-28 16:28 /home/jldugger/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:09] <crimsun> right, and that, too, is proper.
[07:09] <crimsun> DisplayIf: [ -f ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf ]  && asoundconf is-active
[07:10] <crimsun>   * debian/user-must-execute-asoundconf-set-default-card.update-notifier:
[07:10] <crimsun>     - Fix DisplayIf invocation, and make the message more meaningful,
[07:10] <crimsun>       LP: #122252.
[07:10] <pwnguin> ok
[07:10] <pwnguin> what pacakge is diplayif in?
[07:11] <crimsun> DisplayIf is an optional directive for update-notifier hooks.
[07:11] <crimsun> I pasted the change I made in 1.0.14-1ubuntu5.
[07:11] <pwnguin> ah
[07:11] <crimsun> if you don't want to ever see that message, then just get rid of ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:12] <crimsun> i.e., manually do stuff with ~/.asoundrc and never create ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:12] <pwnguin> i never created it personally
[07:12] <crimsun> that will short-circuit the DisplayIf invocation, and you'll never see the popup.
[07:12] <pwnguin> i assume it was generated by alsa
[07:12] <crimsun> on
[07:12] <crimsun> no
[07:12] <pwnguin> or part of the default user profile
[07:12] <crimsun> no
[07:13] <crimsun> we do not, per Policy, _ever_ touch user-specific configs in the install/update process.
[07:13] <pwnguin> well i certainly didnt write all this myself.
[07:13] <crimsun> it can be created via asoundconf set-default-card
[07:14] <pwnguin> which ive done in the past as instructed
[07:14] <crimsun> so if you used a standard Ubuntu tool, then you'll see standard Ubuntu prompts/notification popups
[07:14] <pwnguin> i did
[07:15] <crimsun> there's a very specific reason that prompt/notification popup is shown
[07:15] <crimsun> between alsa-lib versions, mixer element strings are modified
[07:15] <crimsun> the ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf that's created via asoundconf(1) has those element strings
[07:16] <crimsun> if you attempt to use an older ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf with a newer libasound2, you'll receive seemingly cryptic error messages.
[07:16] <crimsun> hence, we display a popup to tell you to refresh the element strings
[07:17] <crimsun> I began work yesterday during the Fourth fireworks to sanitise the coupling somewhat, but it's still tied very strongly to the version of libasound2 installed on your current system.
[07:17] <pwnguin> so even if i switch to a .asound, this is something id still have to deal with
[07:17] <crimsun> There's no way to completely decouple it; that's just the way ALSA works.
[07:18] <crimsun> "switch to a .asound"?
[07:18] <pwnguin> .asoundrc
[07:18] <crimsun> you already have both ~/.asoundrc and ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:18] <crimsun> if you don't want to ever see the message again, just erase the latter.
[07:18] <crimsun> on a fresh install of Ubuntu, you'll never see that popup.
[07:19] <crimsun> the only time you'll see that popup is if you've executed [a tool that executes]  asoundconf set-default-card
[07:20] <pwnguin> interesting
[07:20] <crimsun> if you only have one sound card, just rm ~/.asoundrc*
[07:20] <crimsun> note carefully the placement of that asterisk - no whitespace!
[07:21] <pwnguin> heh
[07:21] <crimsun> don't want you blowing away ~
[07:21] <pwnguin> ive just never really had to think about alsa in the past
[07:21] <crimsun> then don't think about it.
[07:21] <crimsun> Just rm ~/.asoundrc* and go about your merry audio way.
[07:22] <pwnguin> too late
[07:22] <pwnguin> now im curious about what it does ;)
[07:22] <crimsun> man asoundconf
[07:23] <pwnguin> the asoundrc.asoundconf is pretty detailed, and all my .asoundrc does is include it
[07:25] <crimsun> yes, that's precisely what it's supposed to do.
[07:29] <pwnguin> i have to wonder though, whether .asoundrc.asoundconf contains any settings i might want over whatever alsa defaults to
[07:33] <pwnguin> some day i must read whatever made crimsum an alsa genius and determine why headphone jack sense fails to turn off the front speakers
[07:34] <pwnguin> aha
[07:34] <pwnguin> it is doable
[07:35] <pwnguin> at least, its possible to get headphones playing without front speakers
[07:35] <pwnguin> jack sense, not quite yet
[07:38] <crimsun> by default, set-default-card will copy the ^defaults.* from precisely what ALSA defaults to
[07:38] <crimsun> (/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf as mentioned in asoundconf's man page)
[07:38] <pwnguin> ok
[07:39] <pwnguin> is it?
[07:39] <crimsun> "is it"?
[07:39] <pwnguin> mentioned in the manpage
[07:39] <crimsun> yes, it is.
[07:39] <crimsun> (I made the change myself, so yes.)
[07:41] <pwnguin> oh
[07:41] <pwnguin> its under the warning
[09:29] <rojo> Hi, I ran out of diskspace, I deleted loads of suff, emptied the bin but still kde wont start....any ideas?
[09:50] <emonkey-p> rojo: already done a apt-get clean?
[11:27] <pvandewyngaerde> libcurl4-gnutls
[11:29] <crimsun> yes?
[11:30] <crimsun> (I assume you've read the topic?)
[11:32] <pvandewyngaerde> ok nvm
[11:32] <pvandewyngaerde> and i dont read topics if they are too long
[11:33] <crimsun> that's no excuse, really.
[11:34] <pvandewyngaerde> i autojoin a lot of chans, i cant read them all
[11:36] <crimsun> eh, I'm in about three hundred channels, and I still attempt to read all the topics whenever I reattach.
[11:36] <crimsun> again, they exist for a reason...
[11:38] <mrsno> crimsun i thought i was bad but 300 respect :)
[11:43] <c1|freaky> hi all. i get the following error when trying to upgrade:
[11:43] <c1|freaky> Richte clamav-freshclam ein (0.90.3-1ubuntu3) ...
[11:43] <c1|freaky> Segmentation fault
[11:43] <c1|freaky> is there anything i can do about it?
[11:43] <c1|freaky> it means "setting up clamav-freshclam"
[11:44] <mrsno> !bug #420593
[11:45] <mrsno> hmm
[11:45] <crimsun> remove the leading bang.
[11:45] <mrsno> !bug 420593
[11:45] <crimsun> no, the bang, aka exclamation mark.
[11:45] <mrsno> oh righty
[11:45] <mrsno> bug #420593
[11:46] <mrsno> ah could not be found
[11:46] <mrsno>  New upstream version
[11:46] <mrsno>      - Fixes segfault in segfault handler (closes: #420593)
[11:46] <gnomefreak> bug 420593
[11:46] <mrsno> could not be found with or without the # :)
[11:46] <crimsun> no, you likely mean Debian, in which case you need Debian 420593
[11:46] <gnomefreak> what bug tracker is that one
[11:46] <ubotu> Debian bug 420593 in clamav-daemon "clamav-daemon: segfault in segfault handler, hangs with 100% cpu" [Important,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/420593
[11:46] <crimsun> see?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> ah there you go :)
[11:46] <mrsno> ahh nice, it does both
[11:46] <mrsno> thanks crimsun
[11:46] <gnomefreak> it does alot of differnet trackers
[11:47] <mrsno> that was for c1|freaky :) maybe check that
[11:47] <mrsno> ubotu's source is available yea? must set up something similar on quakenet ubuntu channel
[11:48] <mrsno> im learning more about what he/she can do everyday ;] 
[11:49] <c1|freaky> yes ubotus source is available ;) i just dont remember what kind of bot it is. mrsno: no, its not that bug. that bug is about clamav hanging and going up to 100% cpu when running it. im trying to apt-get upgrade but i get that segmentation fault.
[11:49] <PriceChild> mrsno, should be here: http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/code/ubotu/ but its missing atm...
[11:49] <gnomefreak> its a supybot
[11:49] <PriceChild> and its a supybot
[11:49] <mrsno> yea i think thats  for clamav sorry c1|freaky
[11:50] <mrsno> ah so python, i will keep an eye out for the sources then :)
[11:50] <tonyyarusso> mrsno: Yes, at this time ubotu is a supybot, which is available stock in the repos, with some custom-written plugins, which are available from https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/.  I'm not sure it makes sense to have duplicate IRC channels, but that'll get you going.  Supybot also has a 'relay' plugin for sharing between networks.
[11:51] <mrsno> tonyyarusso cool thanks, we are not a big channel on quakenet for #debian / #ubuntu but there is a little interest (i send most people to freenode if i cant help anyways) so i understand about duplicating efforts
[11:52] <tonyyarusso> mrsno: righto
[11:55] <mrsno> the relay plugin sounds interesting :)
[12:00] <axxo> p
[12:00] <gnomefreak> c1|freaky: did you file teh clam bug a little while ago?
[12:00] <c1|freaky> no
[12:00] <gnomefreak> or sorry pvandewyngaerde is that you?
[12:00] <c1|freaky> i havent filed it at all
[12:00] <c1|freaky> i just tried to upgrade
[12:00] <c1|freaky> 15 mins ago
[12:00] <c1|freaky> and i got that error
[12:01] <pvandewyngaerde> is-n't me
[12:01] <gnomefreak> c1|freaky: well someone filed it for you and i added the needed comments we now have a clamav team so maybe they will mrege it
[12:02] <c1|freaky> ok if you need any info tell me ;D
[12:02] <gnomefreak> nope i got most of it i didnt bother with upstream bug since it was released already
[12:03] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[12:03] <c1|freaky> ok ;)
[12:04] <coNP> wow! amarok is seriously running :)
[12:34] <jussi01> hmmm, having a small problem with my fstab, sudo mount -a gives: mount: directory to mount not in host:dir format, my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28608/
[12:35] <jussi01> any ideas?
[01:07] <cypherdelic> some guys with Compiz-Fusion Trevino latest release for Gutsy AMD 64???? i need assistance, #compiz-fusion cant help
[01:08] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: we dont support trevino repos
[01:08] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: maybe try #ubuntu-effects as they might have seen the issue
[01:08] <cypherdelic> ok thanks
[01:31] <PriceChild> cypherdelic, you realise compiz fusion is in gutsy...?
[01:31] <PriceChild> and they do regular updates?
[01:32] <pimp31415>                 Modes           "1920x1440" "1856x1392" "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"$
[01:32] <pimp31415> even with that modes my nvidia fx 6200 card is not letting me have resolutions higher than 1600x1200
[01:33] <pimp31415> any ideas? using some dell crt which ive had up to that 1856 before i think to the other the 1920 but not fully sure on that might be my other monitor.....
[01:34] <pimp31415> also when i lose network connection the network manager resets kinda so i have to manually say HEY WIRED NETWORK - LOOK AT IT!
[01:35] <varka> pimp31415: did you put the values for horizsync and vertrefresh of your monitor into xorg.conf?
[01:38] <cypherdelic> PriceChild, of course, and I also realise the huge effort on working on that official Compiz-Fusion Gutsy integration
[01:40] <Pici> IIRC, Trevino's repo does daily builds against git, so hes a bit more 'updated' than the official repos are, albiet at a risk to stability.
[02:05] <pimp31415> ok solved my problem
[02:05] <pimp31415> !paste
[02:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:06] <pimp31415> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28622/
[02:07] <pimp31415> ive got a crt monitor - so basically all it took was instead of going to medium settings i went to advanced when doing the dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg
[02:07] <pimp31415> 1. it gave a wider range for the horizsynch and suggested 43-60 for vert which i changed to 43-70 // horiz i accepted default on advanced which gave me 28-96
[02:08] <pimp31415> i [obviously]  dont understand horiz and vert refreshes very well - never really looked into it..
[02:09] <pimp31415> but i saw a hint dated back from hoary about ignoring refreshes etc and this worked
[02:09] <axxo> you take your monitor manual, open it, find the values, put them in the configuration
[02:09] <pimp31415> heh axxo first its a gifted monitor from my dad via his work retired it
[02:10] <pimp31415> and secondly i didnt wanna bother my roomate by turning on the light to look for serials
[02:10] <axxo> thats really helpfull and relevant
[02:10] <pimp31415> i have a suspicion its a change in the latest round of nvidia drivers - perhaps they pay a little more attn or less in nix? the windows ones do allow me these refresh rates - and i will double check when its daytime
[02:10] <pimp31415> Thu Jul  5 05:10:55 PDT 2007
[02:12] <pimp31415> is there a way to see the horiz refresh rate? got the 1920x1440 pixels at 60Hz
[02:12] <pimp31415> dunno its corrilary rate tho
[02:13] <pimp31415> d202d-hs
[02:14] <pimp31415> ultrascan 20tx
[02:14] <pimp31415> d2026t-hs
[02:15] <pimp31415> hehe last two correct - went all mcguyver with lighter kekeke
[02:15] <pimp31415> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/dta/97788/00000001.htm
[02:16] <pimp31415> perhaps thats a little better axxo ? im gonna give those a shot
[02:16] <pimp31415> seems kinda crazy on the vert refresh tho
[02:17] <pimp31415> ok brb again >.<
[02:19] <pimp31415> ok adjusted to mon specs and i still get all my resolutions
[02:22] <pimp31415> anything else i should look at there axxo ?
[03:33] <k_> are there any plans to add a full disk encryption option to the installer?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> doubt it
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> k_: Its not particularly difficult to do manually (if /boot is unencrypted)
[04:01] <mynameisdeleted> I have wine and crossover office crashing on my latest amd64 ubuntu release with the same error in /lib32/ld-linux.so
[04:01] <coNP> mynameisdeleted: can you paste / pastebin the error to somewhere?
[04:01] <mynameisdeleted> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[04:01] <mynameisdeleted> 0xf7f79f68 in ?? () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[04:02] <mynameisdeleted> http://okser.net/err.txt
[04:03] <mynameisdeleted> I'm using wine from winehq.com
[04:03] <mynameisdeleted> they don't support gutsy yet
[04:03] <mynameisdeleted> only feisty
[04:03] <coNP> try to get a copy with debug symbols compiled in
[04:03] <coNP> this backtrace is not very useful with may ??-s
[04:03] <mynameisdeleted> I'll compile it myself with debug symboles
[04:04] <mynameisdeleted> these are just 2 binary releases form different places that both crash
[04:04] <mynameisdeleted> apt-get source --build win
[04:04] <mynameisdeleted> apt-get source --build wine
[04:04] <mynameisdeleted> sorry
[04:04] <coNP> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash should help to compile them with debug symbols
[04:05] <mynameisdeleted> I can also test if this is a bug in the 386-only distro or a bug in 64-bit backward libs
[04:05] <coNP> please do so
[04:07] <mynameisdeleted> put their info in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debug.list
[04:13] <pimp31415> mm
[04:14] <pimp31415> hey whatever happened to that option to have a window visible on all viewports?
[04:14] <pimp31415> would be real handy for gtkrellm :<
[04:24] <OldPink> Hi all
[04:24] <OldPink> Question: Will Firefox 3 be included in Gutsy?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> as grandparadiso, yes.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> not as the main firefox
[04:25] <OldPink> Thanks, you sure of that? :)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> well, when does firefox 3 release?
[04:26] <OldPink> November
[04:26] <Hobbsee> then yes, i'm sure
[04:26] <OldPink> I thought they might leave it as Firefox 2 and then just update the repos in November?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> seeing as gutsy releases in...october.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> no
[04:26] <Hobbsee> !timebasedreleases
[04:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[04:26] <OldPink> Yes, I know that
[04:27] <OldPink> But they could just have the first month of Gutsy using FF 2?
[04:27] <OldPink> No?
[04:27] <Pici> Seeing as how edgy didnt get the ff2.0 release, I dont think they'll backport ff3 to gutsy
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ....no.  see the time based releases page.
[04:28] <OldPink> Hm, so who am I to believe?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> backports != updates, too
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Pici: yeah, backport is possible
[04:29] <Hobbsee> OldPink: if it helps, i'm a core developer of ubuntu.
[04:29] <OldPink> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs?searchtext=firefox
[04:30] <OldPink> Hobbsee, ah right. So you're certain Gran Paradiso is in 7.10? And do you have a blog? :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> OldPink: yes, it is, or was last time i checked.  and yes, i do have a blog, i rarely write in it
[04:32] <OldPink> OK, thanks alot. :) Just wondering as I'm blogging about Gran Paradiso, and wanted to get in whether it was included in 7.10 or not.
[04:32] <Pici> Hobbsee: Where do you see FF3 in Gutsy?
[04:32] <lamalex> it's in universe
[04:32] <pimp31415> do te do
[04:33] <pimp31415> i should pay more attention to whats getting updated when it does that lol
[04:33] <Pici> lamalex: do you know the package name?
[04:33] <lamalex> firefox-granparidso or something
[04:33] <Pici> ah.. I see it
[04:33] <Pici> Thanks!
[04:33] <lamalex> np
[04:34] <pimp31415> i dont see it in the repos
[04:34] <pimp31415> o
[04:34] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: did you spell it correctly?
[04:34] <pimp31415> that was the problem
[04:34] <Pici> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-granparadiso
[04:34] <pimp31415> lol
[04:35] <pimp31415> does it launch with a different command in /bin ?
[04:35] <pimp31415> ah ya
[04:35] <pimp31415> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: firefox-granparadiso-bin[29740] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[04:35] <pimp31415> still getting a lot of those btw
[04:35] <Pici> They're just warnings :/
[04:36] <pimp31415> yeah things tend to run real well on my hardware - i'm lucky
[04:39] <pimp31415> hm tried running the firefox-granparadiso and when i closed it it took 15 seconds or so to give me back my terminal line.. wierd lol
[04:40] <Pici> not too weird, it usually takes a little bit for the process to actually end after the window closes.
[04:41] <pimp31415> and hyperlinks dont work in beryl
[04:41] <pimp31415> mm fair enough Pici
[04:43] <pimp31415> ok here's one for yall - what happened to the iconified windows in the pager
[04:44] <pimp31415> specifically compaired to say dapper when dragging one from one worktop to another via the pager the icons were small in dapper whereas edgy on they are quite large or so?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: :)
[04:44] <pimp31415> ;p
[04:44] <pimp31415> hi Hobbsee
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hiya Dannilionz!
[04:44] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: in beryl?  ask in #ubuntu-effects or something, probably
[04:45] <pimp31415> Hobbsee, no in metacity
[04:45] <pimp31415> lol
[04:45] <pimp31415> ok mr tovald
[04:46] <Pici> *ms
[04:46] <pimp31415> what's your poison - kde? openbox?
[04:46] <pimp31415> lol Pici
[04:46] <Pici> pimp31415: I'm looking at gnome now, what are you looking for?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> kde
[04:46] <pimp31415> oh try dragging the xchat icon from the pager out to desktop for a second without letting go
[04:46] <pimp31415> if you notice its quite large - larger than default icon sizes even
[04:47] <pimp31415> about 4 times as large as before mebbie?
[04:47] <Dannilion> Hey Hobbsee :D
[04:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:47] <pimp31415> just been wondering that for a while XD
[04:48] <Pici> pimp31415: it looks like its 32x32, whereas the little icons are 16x16 and my desktop icons are 48x48   (er, I think)
[04:48] <pimp31415> ah ya
[04:48] <pimp31415> is there a setting buried somewhere for that?
[04:49] <Pici> er, gconf? maybe?
[04:49] <pimp31415> kkkk ill go browsing around it
[04:49] <Pici> I'm not even sure what the use of dragging those around would be
[04:49] <pimp31415> other question: i noticed an other classification/group in menus - and a lot of kde stuff in it - wazzupwiddat
[04:50] <pimp31415> Pici, so you can move something from another desktop to current one wihtout going there etc
[04:50] <pimp31415> quite useful from here
[04:50] <eagles0513875> is anyone else have the problem where after they login on a broadband connection they connection doesnt automatically start
[04:50] <pimp31415> or from desk4 to desk 3 or so
[04:50] <pimp31415> [staying on say desk2] 
[04:50] <pimp31415> eagles0513875, ppp?
[04:50] <pimp31415> or whatever password based thingie is? or just like lan kinda thing
[04:51] <pimp31415> i noticed when i get disconnected that the network manager gives up and won't reconnect me automagically
[04:51] <eagles0513875> pimp31415: im on a cable connection
[04:51] <eagles0513875> it doesnt start the connection on start up so i unplug the cable form my laptop and plug it back in to get it to start
[04:52] <eagles0513875> i checked the configuration of my ethernet device and its configured to auto start
[04:52] <pimp31415> huh nope i dont get that particular behavior no
[04:52] <eagles0513875> ok ur running 32bit or 64bit
[04:52] <pimp31415> 323
[04:52] <pimp31415> 32**
[04:52] <eagles0513875> ok
[04:52] <pimp31415> u?
[04:52] <eagles0513875> anyone in here on 64bit haveing the same problem im having
[04:52] <eagles0513875> 64bit
[04:54] <magic_ninja> pimp31415: if you create a desktop icon in the manner you described just fire up gimp and resize the image
[04:54] <magic_ninja> pimp31415: its because the icon itself is large, and its just a setting in nautilus, but i'm not sure where, i had to do it before
[04:56] <pimp31415> magic_ninja, its not the desktop icons that bother me its the ones i drag from workspace to workspace in the panel
[04:56] <pimp31415> mm know of a way to do a delayed snapshot?
[04:56] <magic_ninja> pimp31415: idthing there is a setting for that
[04:56] <pimp31415> yeah it changed in edgy and never looked back
[04:57] <magic_ninja> dunno man
[04:57] <magic_ninja> anyone here hang out in winehq
[04:57] <pimp31415> used to stay the same size when you dragged it which was nice.. so say window taking up 1/4 of desktop on workspace 3 and your dragging it to workspace 4 b/c your reorganizing it stayed easy to see
[04:57] <pimp31415> lol
[05:02] <OldPink> Thanks again for the help guys, got the blog posted now :) http://www.mbhoy.com/05-07-2007/gran-paradiso-alpha-6
[05:04] <OldPink> brb
[05:15] <compengi> can someone run a webserver under linux having database application?
[05:15] <compengi> i mean script
[05:39] <xtknight> whenever i boot up gutsy (tribe 2) it seems to freeze at a different stage in the post-gdm bootup process every time.  cd md5 check passed.  the virtual consoles wont respond to any commands (they will just hang).  alt printscreen K/i only work with varying success.  same results with safe mode.  is this normal for tribe 2?
[05:39] <xtknight> livecd too btw
[06:18] <benkong2> I keep getting an error about libcurl3-gnutls and libcurl4-gnutls conflicting what should I do?
[06:18] <lamalex> i think that's a known bug
[06:18] <lamalex> are you on 64bit?
[06:19] <benkong2> no I am on 32 bit
[06:20] <mrsno> benkong2 i think just waiting for now is the best idea
[06:20] <benkong2> I installed on an IBM thinkpad all works great just this one problem.
[06:20] <mrsno> unless anyone knows a workaround
[06:22] <benkong2> mrsno: ok I knew it was alpha or beta so I want to help in testing
[06:22] <mrsno> glad to hear it :-) me too
[06:23] <Hobbsee> it's a known bug.  just wait
[06:23] <benkong2> Hobbsee: ok thanks
[06:47] <DanaG> WTF?  I used to be able to press ctrl-l to go to address bar in Firefox, but now it opens a dialog box.
[06:48] <mrsno> alt+d ?
[06:48] <DanaG> Same thing -- opens dialog.
[06:49] <mrsno> hmm strange, let me check my gutsy vm
[06:50] <mrsno> alt+d and ctrl+l take me to the address bar :I
[06:52] <mrsno> you are using the firefox supplied through ubuntu repositories, the default DanaG ?
[06:53] <lamalex> wow I never knew about those shortcuts
[06:53] <lamalex> that's awesome
[06:53] <lamalex> very handy
[06:55] <benkong2> my ctrl+d ctrl+l take me to the right places and ctrl+k takes me to the search just like always
[07:21] <benkong2>  brb all
[08:07] <xtknight> whenever i boot up gutsy (tribe 2 amd64 livecd) it seems to freeze at a different stage in the post-gdm bootup process every time.  cd md5 check passed.  the virtual consoles wont respond to any commands (they will just hang).  alt printscreen K/i only work with varying success.  same results with safe mode.  is this normal for tribe 2?
[09:31] <DanaG> Hmm, my firefox unbroke itself somehow.
[09:44] <pvandewyngaerde> lol d3lphin
[10:19] <pimp31415> beryl: pixmap 0x2035f6c can't be bound to texture
[10:22] <pimp31415> yeah wierd still doing that
[10:23] <pimp31415> all the themes load and stay on them in the appearance manager except human
[10:23] <pimp31415> that one automatically goes to custom and complains still
[10:23] <pimp31415> which is what i was in when i got that warning so i'm guessing it has something to do with that perhaps
[10:23] <pimp31415> mmm
[10:24] <pimp31415> beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011
[10:24] <pimp31415> i get that when i tried to go to gtk window decorator from beryl
[10:26] <pimp31415> more of that when i go from gtk >> heliodore - which didnt actually load anything for decorator under the gtk option
[10:27] <pimp31415> no complaints going to emerald themes decorator - then changed to compiz wm from beryl
[10:28] <pimp31415> Converting gconf plugin list: '' // /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: 'gconf' plugin must be loaded after 'glib' plugin /// /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Can't activate 'gconf' plugin due to dependency problems
[10:28] <pimp31415> /usr/bin/compiz.real (decoration) - Warn: Property ignored because version is 20061011 and decoration plugin version is 20070319
[10:28] <pimp31415> but it loaded it - and even tho its on emerald its gtk stuff with no effects like this
[10:31] <pimp31415> mm crashed firefox switching thingsi back and forth lol
[10:36] <pimp31415> Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0x186 specified for 0x1a0066b (File Info ).   <<-- gah?
[10:37] <pimp31415> anyway i'm taking out everything human with a purge and gonna aptitude install ubuntu-desktop see if that makes it any happier
[10:37] <pimp31415> oh and wierd thing menu doesnt wanna put menus on toolbar - i can put single icons, buti usuaully have my sound / inet menus on the toolbar as menu's themselves...
[10:44] <pimp31415> gah yeah its still doing it - going to custom - meh i'm gonna install all the themes i can find =/
[10:44] <pimp31415> i wonder if it has a problem iwth the clearlooks progressbar like edgy/feisty
[10:44] <lamalex> i doube it
[10:45] <lamalex> doubt*
[10:46] <pimp31415> magic chicken gtk2 engine btw breaks ubuntu - i.e. tries to take all kinda stuff out
[11:08] <GuyFromHell> Has there been reports about system hangs when trying to load the livecd after the cupsd init script starts. I feel it has something to do with my ati vid card but that's just because i blame everything on that nowadays (and i'm usually right)
[11:08] <GuyFromHell> (cupsd would be just after kdm)
[11:11] <GuyFromHell> i'm going to try again in safe graphics mode...
[11:11] <pimp31415> GuyFromHell, i dont know about reports
[11:12] <pimp31415> darn
[11:12] <pimp31415> but i had the same problem with my nvidia - same solution got me through
[11:16] <pimp31415>  Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x1a0001a (XMMS - 209)  ////// Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.
[11:17] <pimp31415> i get that from using kdocker to dock xmms - when i unminimize it from the tray/notification area - no errors when i minimize tho
[11:21] <pimp31415> for some reason when i launch beryl it goes through checks and passes all the usual stuff says: Relaunching beryl with __GL_YIELD="NOTHING"  and then relaunches passing again
[11:23] <pimp31415> hey lamalex: /usr/share/themes/Peace/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:55: Clearlooks configuration option "sunkenmenu" is not supported and will be ignored.
[11:23] <pimp31415> getting lots of those using peace theme
[11:23] <pimp31415> [which goes right to custom like human]  lets try tropic
[11:24] <pimp31415> no error like that one but it goes right to custom even though i didnt customize it
[11:25] <gnomefreak> isnt peace in gnome-themes-extras
[11:25] <gnomefreak> if so its the package
[11:25] <pimp31415> so does outdoors and sphere-crystal - the latter gives me stuff like-/usr/share/themes/SphereCrystal/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:7: Unable to find include file: "iconrc"
[11:25] <pimp31415> yeah gnomefreak
[11:25] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: its the package its been like that for months
[11:25] <pimp31415> mm actually i think it was peace-look
[11:26] <pimp31415> ah
[11:26] <gnomefreak> spherecrystal is part of the extras package
[11:26] <gnomefreak> i know that package is screwed up
[11:27] <gnomefreak> the other one maybe caused by beryl
[11:27] <pimp31415> wasp and blubuntu go right to custom also
[11:27] <pimp31415> but on the upside they do load :)
[11:27] <pimp31415> -- /usr/share/themes/Blubuntu/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:169: Clearlooks configuration option "progressbarstyle" is not supported and will be ignored.
[11:27] <pimp31415> lol anyway loving the themes
[11:27] <gnomefreak> unless you disabled compiz from starting up on log in and installed beryl and used emerald
[11:27] <pimp31415> quite frankly i'm using this as my default desktop tho i have my edgy install still
[11:28] <pimp31415> i did install beryl and use emerald and dont have desktop effects on
[11:30] <DanaG> Odd: my dropdown lists are opening by unfolding from the middle.
[11:30] <DanaG> They
[11:30] <pimp31415> my high-res fix quit working too lol but who know's why
[11:30] <DanaG> They're supposed to go from the top, not the middle!
[11:30] <pimp31415> oo i want that!
[11:30] <pimp31415> do they fold up and down at the same time???
[11:30] <pimp31415> gimme :3
[11:32] <DanaG> Oh, it's Horizontal Folds.
[11:32] <DanaG> With one set.
[11:32] <DanaG> I mean, set to only one fold.
[11:34] <pimp31415> ok *goes looking*
[11:34] <pimp31415> hehe gutsy is gonna OWN
[11:35] <pimp31415> if we could get that 3d window switcher no one would want vista :>
[11:35] <pimp31415> none of the software is compatable anyway :P
[11:35] <pimp31415> though for the record i would like to have workspaces on the top and bottom of the cube =/
[11:38] <arpu_> hi all
[11:38] <arpu_> i installed gutsy on a new mac book
[11:38] <arpu_> now all works fine
[11:38] <pimp31415> hi arpu ! btw DanaG where is horizontal folds >_<
[11:39] <arpu_> but  i have no "klammeraffe"
[11:39] <pimp31415> verra nice
[11:39] <arpu_> strg + alt + q does not work
[11:39] <arpu_> hi pimp31415
[11:39] <pimp31415> kde i take it?
[11:39] <pimp31415> ive no idea what your talking about unfortunately but stick around they probably do :P
[11:39] <arpu_> gnome ^
[11:39] <pimp31415> o? i have gnome.//... but no macbook
[11:40] <pimp31415> whats the klammeraffe do:?
[11:40] <arpu_> i have no @
[11:40] <arpu_> klammeraffe is the german word
[11:42] <pimp31415> @ -- that symbol? a keyboard selection issue perhaps?
[12:04] <pimp31415> i noticed with beryl on xchat sometimes when i post a line instead of drawing it draws the previous bottom line twice
[12:04] <pimp31415> kinda wierd
[12:04] <etalli> If I have both Ubuntu and kubuntu-desktop on my computer, will an update with the GNOME updater update the kubuntu half as well?
[12:04] <crimsun> yes.
[12:05] <pimp31415> etalli, yeah - just looks for packages that need updating
[12:05] <pimp31415> sup crimsun <<-- starz :P
[12:05] <etalli> Ok, that's good to hear, becuase this update is taking *forever*
[12:05] <pimp31415> etalli, hold the faith!
[12:06] <etalli> pimp31415: Sorry, I don't understand
[12:06] <pimp31415> um, i mean trust the process!
[12:07] <DanaG> WTF?  Why is "horizontal folds" unfolding from the center?
[12:07] <pimp31415> DanaG, i never found that setting - where can i find it?
[12:08] <etalli> OK.  Anyway, I just saw kdm and kicker go by, so that confirms it. :)
[12:08] <pimp31415> :)
[12:08] <etalli> pimp31415: What does the 31415 part of your nick mean?
[12:08] <pimp31415> pi
[12:08] <pimp31415> XD
[12:09] <etalli> Oh, dumb me!
[12:09] <etalli> 3.1415926535897962685
[12:09] <DanaG> Oh, horizontal folds is under animations.
[12:10] <DanaG> I'm using the 3v1n0 debs of compiz-fusion.
[12:10] <pimp31415> gotcha - uploading pix of my xchat text redraw bug
[12:10] <pimp31415> aahh
[12:10] <pimp31415> http://bayimg.com/PADBPaabG
[12:10] <etalli> I already have beryl and emerald installed, will compiz-fusion mess them up?
[12:10] <pimp31415> i'm gonna play around in a terminal with irssi and see if i get the same bug
[12:11] <DanaG> As long as you lock them at the existing version, it should be fine.
[12:11] <DanaG> I've found the newer Beryl to be broken.
[12:12] <pimp31415> DanaG, you mean the beryl in their repo? vs the ones in the regular one?
[12:13] <etalli> DanaG: Compiz is enabled by default, right?  I've had problems with the desktop-effects in Fiesty, so I'm worried
[12:15] <etalli> Wait, dolphin?  Is this KDE4 based?
[12:18] <pimp31415> DanaG, now you got that to work on the menus instead of the windows?
[12:18] <pimp31415> it kinda makes sense - if you look at how it does the windows...
[12:19] <pimp31415> ooo nvm i see what you mean
[12:30] <pimp31415> mm some windows when i maximize them they black out - beryl settings manager / terminals so far
[12:30] <pimp31415> terminal shows desktop technically