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| geser | StevenK: about gnome-chemistry-utils and gchempaint (rdepends of libgoffice-0-3 (NBS)): I'll mail the Debian maintainers if updated packages are planned in the near future | 12:25 |
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| azeem | they are | 12:25 |
| azeem | geser: well, I think Debian is waiting for libgoffice-0-3 | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | well, 0.3 is the unstable version | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | hopefully 0.4 will be in unstable soon | 12:30 |
| azeem | yeah, ok | 12:32 |
| azeem | geser: what's the problem with g-c-u in Ubuntu anyway? | 12:32 |
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| LaserJock | geser: it's old and we have goffice 0.4 | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | g-c-u 0.8 need goffice 0.4 | 12:35 |
| azeem | did 0.4 get released as a stable version upstream? | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | yes | 12:36 |
| azeem | ok | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | really Ubuntu should lead the packaging for g-c-u | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | because we tend to take goffice from Debian experimental | 12:40 |
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| azeem | I think it also needs a newer openbabel | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | yes | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | 2.1 | 12:42 |
| azeem | one option would be to upload it to exprerimental as soon as 2.1 is released | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | it's odd to me that goffice has been in experimental for over a year | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | there aren't really a lot of packages that depend on it | 12:44 |
| azeem | because it was an unstable release series I guess | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | I suppose | 12:46 |
| azeem | goffice (0.4.0-1) experimental; urgency=low | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | but 0.4 has been out for about 2 months now | 12:46 |
| azeem | * New upstream development release. | 12:46 |
| azeem | that's odd, yes | 12:46 |
| azeem | I'm gonna ask jbrefort about it when I see him next | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | azeem: I talk to him most every day | 12:47 |
| azeem | heh | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | hmm, the Debian maintainer maintains 64 packages it seems | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if he just doesn't have time to work on goffice | 12:48 |
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| LaserJock | StevenK: so what are you doing now with libcurl? | 03:04 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: Plotting flaming death for the Debian release team and the Debian maintainer. | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | sweet | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | so did you end up reverting your transition? | 03:08 |
| StevenK | The transitional libcurl4 packages got killed again, and I've just finished the second lot of sixty rebuilds | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | so we are going to go to libcurl4 ? | 03:09 |
| StevenK | Nope, we are heading back to libcurl3 | 03:09 |
| === LaserJock is a little confused | ||
| LaserJock | so we tried to go to libcurl4 but it didn't work so well so we're going back to libcurl3? | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | SONAME screwups | 03:10 |
| StevenK | Debian went to libcurl4, found a complete path of pain, and went back to libcurl3. | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | there's a forum thread so I thought I'd give a response if I figure out what's going on | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: unless you want to write it? ;-) | 03:11 |
| StevenK | We went to libcurl4, did a bunch of rebuilds, and then pitti and I decided the bitter pill needed to swallowed at some point, so we first tried to provide libcurl4 packages, which didn't work, and so went back to libcurl3 and a complete bunch of rebuilds. | 03:11 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: I'm not eloquent enough. :-) | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | and I am? | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | somebody might as well do it | 03:12 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: You're probably more eloquent than I am. :-) | 03:13 |
| ajmitch | of course, he's a doc writer | 03:13 |
| StevenK | Good point. | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: and that means what exactly? :-) | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | I'm dumb enough to get suckered into writing | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: is that because libcurl4 was supposed to be compatible with libcurl3? | 03:17 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: Supposed to be | 03:20 |
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| StevenK | LaserJock: The problem is because Debian includes a patch that versions the symbols, so they aren't really compatible ... | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | umm ... darn | 03:24 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: As you can tell, it's a little complicated anyway. | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | well I just made a post | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | as the thread started 1hr ago and already has like 5-6 posts | 03:28 |
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| StevenK | LaserJock: Link me? | 03:30 |
| LaserJock | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=492502 | 03:30 |
| StevenK | Thanks | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | please feel free to correct/add to my post | 03:34 |
| StevenK | Hrm. I might have to duke it out with amarok, too. | 03:34 |
| StevenK | That would require signing up to the forums. :-) | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | really? I thought you had an account there | 03:35 |
| StevenK | If I do, it's news to me. | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | maybe it was ScottK | 03:36 |
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| ScottK | What was maybe me? | 04:47 |
| === ScottK does have an account with maybe a full handfull of posts. | ||
| ScottK | Now that I've read the scrollback. | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | sorry, my bad | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | wahoo, first "real" upload to Main | 04:53 |
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| shirish | StevenK: are you there buddy? | 04:59 |
| shirish | StevenK: ok just so you know whenever u come back openoffice also needs rebuilding for the libcurl thing | 05:01 |
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| LaserJock | morning Hobbsee | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | or afternoon | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | or whatever it is there | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | hey LaserJock! | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | meh. i just got up, so it's morning | 05:31 |
| ajmitch | a nice definition of morning | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | very flexible | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | hmm, it seems like app-install-data got turned into app-install-data-ubuntu | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | it's morning in europe | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | very early morning | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: how's life? | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: life? it's going OK. i'm waiting, whcih is sucking a bit :) | 05:40 |
| ajmitch | waiting for exam results? | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | that too | 05:42 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:17 |
| Hobbsee | hiya mpt, fabbione | 06:17 |
| fabbione | StevenK: ping? | 06:17 |
| StevenK | fabbione: Pong | 06:17 |
| fabbione | StevenK: i just noticed the big rebuild of death for libcurl. Are you going to take care of main too? at least git-core needs love | 06:18 |
| fabbione | StevenK: or do you need people to sponsor to main? | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: he's a core dev | 06:18 |
| fabbione | ok | 06:18 |
| StevenK | Thanks for noticing. :-P | 06:18 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: sorry i can't remember everybody :) | 06:19 |
| === Hobbsee has persuaded *him* to upload *her* stuff before :P | ||
| StevenK | fabbione: git-core should be fixed. | 06:19 |
| fabbione | StevenK: ok | 06:19 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: you need a better memory. | 06:19 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: i need to be 10 years younger :) | 06:19 |
| StevenK | Heh | 06:19 |
| mpt | hi Hobbsee | 06:20 |
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| Hobbsee | fabbione: good luck finding that time machine. | 06:20 |
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| fabbione | hmm StevenK I guess we also need an OOo rebuild... | 06:44 |
| StevenK | fabbione: Correct. But pitti told me not to touch it, which I plan on following to the letter. :-) | 06:45 |
| fabbione | ehehhe | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | let calc handle it? | 06:45 |
| StevenK | Suits me. | 06:45 |
| fabbione | all good :) | 06:46 |
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| StevenK | fabbione: Are you a big bad buildd person? | 06:56 |
| fabbione | StevenK: no sorry, i have no access to the buildd | 06:57 |
| StevenK | fabbione: It's fine, I can wait. | 06:57 |
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| Hobbsee | morning pitti! | 08:24 |
| StevenK | pitti: I missed a bunch of rebuilds - 21, which I've done. | 08:25 |
| StevenK | pitti: The total is 62, with 3 FTBFS on all archs, and 3 FTBFS on ia64 only. | 08:25 |
| StevenK | pitti: The 3 FTBFS on all archives can be fixed with a give-back. The three are bibletime, cduce and gnomesword. | 08:26 |
| StevenK | s/archives/archs/ | 08:26 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:27 |
| pitti | StevenK: I'll give them back, thank you! | 08:28 |
| StevenK | pitti: Thank you. :-) | 08:28 |
| pitti | hi Hobbsee! | 08:34 |
| === Hobbsee hugs pitti :) | ||
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| StevenK | pitti: I think that this publisher run should polish off the rest of them. Now I can look at other stuff, like apache 1 | 08:38 |
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| pitti | StevenK: you are tireless, aren't you? :) *MUST* *CLEAN* *ARCHIVE* | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: s/tireless/insane/ i suspect | 08:48 |
| StevenK | Both? | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: you should make him an archive admin next, so he can cue his own stuff :P | 08:48 |
| StevenK | pitti: Hey, if it helps you and Hobbsee in your jobs, and cuts down on the number of bugs, I'm all for it. | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: you could help me in my job by going to work for me tonight. | 08:48 |
| === Hobbsee hopes that the boss hasnt utterly screwed up the rosters *again* for tonight. | ||
| StevenK | Hah | 08:49 |
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| LaserJock | umm, stupid bash question, can I have a variable in a variable name? | 08:49 |
| StevenK | I think so. | 08:49 |
| Treenaks | ${$WHATVER} ? | 08:50 |
| Treenaks | no.. that doesn't work | 08:50 |
| StevenK | Doesn't for me, either. | 08:50 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: You can in Perl... | 08:50 |
| Treenaks | eval? | 08:50 |
| StevenK | That works | 08:51 |
| StevenK | foo="blah" ; eval lala${foo}="foo" ; echo $lalablah | 08:51 |
| minghua | You can, I just forgot the grammar. | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | blah | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | I should just do this in python | 08:55 |
| minghua | $ A=B; B=foo; echo ${!A} | 08:56 |
| minghua | foo | 08:56 |
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| StevenK | That smells like a bash-ism | 08:57 |
| StevenK | It is, too | 08:58 |
| minghua | Yes, definitely bashism. | 08:58 |
| mikmorg | Is there any way to do something like: dpkg --install --recursive --pending pool/*.deb ? | 08:58 |
| mikmorg | Ie. I want to install given a path, only the files marked for installation | 08:59 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:28 |
| dholbach | hey pitti | 09:31 |
| pitti | hey dholbach | 09:31 |
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| pygi | good morning folks | 09:40 |
| mdke | morning all | 09:41 |
| pygi | hey mdke | 09:46 |
| pitti | StevenK: so, the give-backs mostly worked, except for some ia64 stuff | 09:48 |
| pitti | StevenK: looking forward to this noon's NBS output :) | 09:48 |
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| Tonio_ | pitti: there is a little problem with libcurl-gnutls, it has been reverted, but I think version 0ubuntu3 should be removed (the deb files) from the repos, since libcurl4-gnutls is still there, so wants to be installed, and conflicts with latest version | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: looks like the "real" package is prior to the virtual one and thus that blocks the all openoffice installation..... a bit annoying :) | 09:58 |
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| pitti | Tonio_: ah, right; I just asked doko_ about a new OO.o, but we should wait for Chris | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 10:00 |
| dholbach | hey seb128 | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: to be honnest I don't know if the problem is due to libgnutls or openoffice.... looks like OOo should be rebuild with libcurl3-gnutls, but I may be wrong... | 10:01 |
| seb128 | hi dholbach | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: we'll be able to make a point on kdebluetooth in about 3 weeks, time for upstream to heavilly fix bugs and us to prepare a nice package | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | hey seb128 | 10:01 |
| seb128 | hi Tonio_ | 10:01 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: rock and roll - that's good news | 10:02 |
| siretart | asac: do you use a VCS for network-manager? | 10:02 |
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| Fujitsu | Tonio_: OOo needs to be rebuilt; all other packages depending on libcurl4{,-gnutls} except apt have been already. | 10:04 |
| pitti | Tonio_: it should, right, and the 4 stuff needs to be removed | 10:04 |
| pitti | siretart: yes | 10:04 |
| pitti | siretart: https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager | 10:05 |
| siretart | ah, excellent | 10:05 |
| siretart | thanks | 10:05 |
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| pitti | yay, apport-failed-retrace tags work now, as well as removing the CoreDump.gz for successful retraces | 10:27 |
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| YokoZar | Is there an Ubuntu.com jabber server? | 10:30 |
| Fujitsu | YokoZar: I don't believe so, but it is particularly not suitable for this channel. | 10:32 |
| YokoZar | Fujitsu: I meant for developers and people with @ubuntu.com email addresses | 10:32 |
| pitti | shawarma: ah, langpack bootstrap on PPA is finally done; the buildd is unDoSed again now :) | 10:33 |
| Fujitsu | pitti: That took a while. | 10:33 |
| pitti | erk, yeah | 10:33 |
| pitti | in the old days I built the entire batch of 300 packages in 10 minutes or so | 10:33 |
| Fujitsu | But now we have some reasonable translations | 10:33 |
| Fujitsu | *? | 10:33 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: the packages itself didn't change a lot, but with PPA I don't need to have nasty hacks for maintaining an archive for myself and care about domination and multiple releases and such | 10:34 |
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| pitti | Fujitsu: and it's easier to just sync/copy the packages from the PPA to archive.u.c. | 10:34 |
| Fujitsu | pitti: Is PPA working OK? | 10:35 |
| shawarma | pitti: Yes, I used it last night, too. It's alright, I just thought it was going to be like that every day. I'm calmer now. :) | 10:35 |
| mdz | morning all | 10:35 |
| Fujitsu | Hi mdz. | 10:36 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: apart from buildd shortage, yes | 10:37 |
| pitti | shawarma: no, I only build new daily packages when there are actually some changes; those are usually 10 languages or so | 10:37 |
| Fujitsu | Still just the two? | 10:38 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, and one won't have been doing anything, because it's amd64? | 10:38 |
| pitti | shawarma: I enable the cronjobs on rookery again now, let's see whether it's sustainable | 10:38 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: right | 10:38 |
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| pitti | Fujitsu: is it useful for you? cool | 10:39 |
| === pitti flips the switch to upload daily gutsy langpack straight to the archive; let's see how that goes | ||
| mikmorg | Could anyone help me out - I can't remember the command that tricks 'uname -r' | 10:42 |
| pitti | mikmorg: sounds like an #ubuntu question; but 'tricks'? | 10:43 |
| mikmorg | pitti: yea, sorry.. actually probably more like ##linux.. but there is a standard way to make it return a false value if I remember right. | 10:43 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, nice: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=apport-failed-retrace | 10:49 |
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| pitti | seb128: CoreDump.gz removal for successful retraces works now, too | 10:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: rock on! | 10:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: good job ;) | 10:50 |
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| cjwatson | mikmorg: you could do it with an LD_PRELOAD wrapper for uname(2); a standard way doesn't spring to mind | 10:51 |
| seb128 | pitti: the compiz one is "CoreDump" is not a core dump: File format not recognized" | 10:52 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm wondering where the coredump is screwed, the non debug backtrace looks ok, so it means it was working on the user machine | 10:53 |
| Fujitsu | pitti: Why am I seeing a lot of bugs tagged apport-crash that are several days old? | 10:54 |
| pitti | seb128: I have a lot of cases where /lib/tls/i686/cmov/lib*-2.6.so cannot be identified | 10:55 |
| pitti | seb128: that might account for a good deal | 10:55 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: because that tag is a permanent one; it denotes the ProblemType: (crash, package, kernel, etc.) | 10:55 |
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| Fujitsu | pitti: Ahh, but they were also not retraced. | 10:56 |
| pitti | seb128: also, some parsing bugs: "its package compiz-fusion-plugins-main,universe is not available" or "but its package libs is not available" :) | 10:56 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: please give me the numbers, I'll look in the logs | 10:56 |
| Fujitsu | pitti: I don't know any offhand, but I'll find some in a sec. | 10:56 |
| Fujitsu | Bug #123870 | 10:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 123870 in listen "[gutsy] listen.py crashed on exit (SIGSEGV in PyThreadState_New())" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123870 | 10:58 |
| Fujitsu | pitti: ^^ | 10:58 |
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| pitti | Fujitsu: ah, broken core dump: struct.error: unpack requires a string argument of length 4 | 11:04 |
| siretart | is anyone using mwolson's emacs22 packages here yet? | 11:04 |
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| seb128 | siretart: "mwolson"? | 11:05 |
| siretart | pitti: would emacs22 need a MIR? | 11:05 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: since it's the gzip wrapping that is damaged, and not just the compressed core dump itself, I suspect that something went wrong during upload or so | 11:05 |
| siretart | seb128: Michael Olson <mwolson@gnu.org>, discussed the last days on ubuntu-motu@ | 11:05 |
| pitti | siretart: no, I don't need one; however, I *do* want only one emacs in the archive :) | 11:05 |
| siretart | pitti: its rather a new upstream (in a new source package) | 11:06 |
| pitti | siretart: well, s/archive/main/ at least | 11:06 |
| siretart | I see | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | pitti: I guess that would do it. | 11:06 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: I updated the bug and removed the core dump attachment | 11:07 |
| Fujitsu | pitti: So I aw. | 11:07 |
| Fujitsu | *saw | 11:07 |
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| dholbach | can somebody give back gnome-terminal on amd64 and sparc? | 11:07 |
| pitti | dholbach: doing | 11:08 |
| dholbach | thanks pitti | 11:08 |
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| Nafallo | running update-initramfs multiple times in one run is going to be fixed in gutsy, right? :-) | 11:09 |
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| pitti | sabdfl: good morning Mark | 11:10 |
| Nafallo | ...and morning * :-) | 11:10 |
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| cjwatson | Nafallo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dpkg-triggers | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | targeted, but as ever not certain | 11:15 |
| Nafallo | cjwatson: thanks. I'll subscribe if I'm not already :-) | 11:16 |
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| crimsun | is cprov the one to ask about alsa-driver source uploads silently going the way of /dev/null, possibly due to a rather extensive LP: #foo entries? | 11:17 |
| crimsun | (on the order of 25 bugs) | 11:18 |
| cjwatson | crimsun: I looked into it briefly, and it's certainly well beyond a humble archive admin to sort out | 11:21 |
| cjwatson | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8312458/fSl6HTFlQliJLUZlM1vUKk7DaiY.txt | 11:21 |
| pitti | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8312459/6qiBYhYEVQ0X5VDjVgz0H9EEer9.txt, too | 11:21 |
| pitti | crimsun: something between carlos (Rosetta import) and cprov, I think | 11:22 |
| crimsun | ok, thanks. | 11:22 |
| carlos | pitti: hmm, I don't think it's related with me | 11:24 |
| pitti | carlos: right, entirely a permission problem | 11:25 |
| pitti | it just seems to happen during translation tarball import | 11:25 |
| carlos | pitti: hmm, that backtrace is about sending the notification email | 11:26 |
| carlos | pitti: where do you see it related with translation uploads? | 11:27 |
| pitti | SELECT pluralforms, code, uuid, direction, visible, pluralexpression, nativename, englishname FROM Language ... | 11:28 |
| pitti | carlos: but that's just where it dies with a permission error on anguage | 11:29 |
| pitti | language | 11:29 |
| carlos | that doesn't mean it's a translation upload problem | 11:29 |
| carlos | it looks more related with answers tracker | 11:29 |
| carlos | it also uses language table | 11:30 |
| carlos | Translations is not the only user for that information anymore | 11:30 |
| Sp4rKy | dholbach: around ? | 11:30 |
| Sp4rKy | dholbach: you commented bug #124145 | 11:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124145 in libtunepimp "Please merge libtunepimp (main) from Debian unstable (main) " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124145 | 11:30 |
| Sp4rKy | the depends was remove in the last debian update | 11:31 |
| ogra | woah ... | 11:31 |
| ogra | did anyone here ever try to run gnome in 8bit graphics mode ? | 11:31 |
| Sp4rKy | dholbach: (appears in libtunepimp_0.5.3-4.patch ) | 11:31 |
| seb128 | ogra: no, does it crash? | 11:31 |
| ogra | seb128, yeh, like mad | 11:31 |
| Sp4rKy | dholbach: anyway, no doc about this change, so i'm not sure it has to be added ... | 11:32 |
| ogra | panel restarts in an endless loop | 11:32 |
| seb128 | ogra: there is a known cairo bug | 11:32 |
| ogra | ah | 11:32 |
| seb128 | looks like it's not trivial to fix | 11:32 |
| ogra | well, not that i'd expect any users to run gnome in 8bit | 11:32 |
| ogra | :) | 11:32 |
| seb128 | ogra: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4945 | 11:32 |
| ubotu | Freedesktop bug 4945 in general "Cairo doesn't support 8-bit pseudocolor visuals" [Critical,New] | 11:33 |
| coNP | actually why not (esp. with vnc)? | 11:33 |
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| seb128 | coNP: let's say it's not a standard usecase | 11:34 |
| ogra | wow, seems there are some concerned actualy | 11:34 |
| mjr | vnc can color-convert from higher bpps to 8bpp for transit | 11:34 |
| mjr | anyway, it's not so long that my SO used a 8bpp SparcStation as an X term... | 11:34 |
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| dholbach | Sp4rKy: it was added in 0.5.3-3 - "fix depdendencies to be binNMU safe" | 11:42 |
| Sp4rKy | yep | 11:45 |
| Sp4rKy | but i don't know why it was removed | 11:45 |
| dholbach | it's removed in your debdiff | 11:45 |
| Sp4rKy | yes | 11:45 |
| Sp4rKy | and it was removed in the debian update | 11:45 |
| dholbach | yeah, you didn't merge it into your patch | 11:45 |
| Sp4rKy | i didn't merge it because it was explicitly removed in the debian update | 11:46 |
| Sp4rKy | http://paste.dunnewind.net/8 | 11:47 |
| dholbach | oh ok | 11:47 |
| Sp4rKy | line 17/18 | 11:47 |
| dholbach | now I see it too | 11:47 |
| Sp4rKy | :) | 11:48 |
| dholbach | excusez-moi :) | 11:48 |
| Sp4rKy | ^^ | 11:48 |
| Sp4rKy | np | 11:48 |
| Sp4rKy | so i don't need to add it ? | 11:48 |
| dholbach | no, let me review it again | 11:48 |
| dholbach | if it's good, I'll upload it | 11:48 |
| Sp4rKy | ok | 11:48 |
| Sp4rKy | np | 11:48 |
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| pitti | keescook: btw, it seems I can remove the ptrace hack from apport's _read_maps() again? IIRC you said that ptracing is not necessary any more? | 12:10 |
| keescook | pitti: yes, that's correct. | 12:13 |
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| StevenK | Oh, damn. | 01:59 |
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| persia | StevenK: There's a sync that might help (I've just been drafting the bug) | 02:00 |
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| StevenK | persia: For what? | 02:01 |
| persia | StevenK: nexuiz / curl | 02:01 |
| StevenK | Cool. I'll ignore uploading it, and pitti/someone else can sync it. | 02:02 |
| pitti | StevenK: tell me once you confirmed it | 02:02 |
| persia | StevenK: No promises that Debian was perfect - testing is on my immediate TODO :) | 02:02 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK: What went wrong with it? | 02:03 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: I fixed nexuiz, and not nexuiz-server. | 02:05 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 02:06 |
| StevenK | So now the sync can. | 02:06 |
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| pitti | crimsun: still here? | 02:24 |
| pitti | crimsun: cprov evaluated the error; you can either unlink the answer tracker item from the bug report and upload again, or wait a bit longer (should still happen today) for the real fix | 02:25 |
| Mithrandir | is it possible to remove an offer of mentorship from another person? | 02:27 |
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| persia | Well. That was exciting. nexuiz 2.3-2 compiled against updated libcurl, installed successfully, and overheated my graphics card during testing. | 02:29 |
| persia | pitti: Do you want a sync bug for nexuiz, or is here good enough? | 02:29 |
| pitti | persia: are you a MOTU? | 02:29 |
| persia | pitti: Yes. | 02:30 |
| persia | pitti: https://launchpad.net/~persia/+participation | 02:30 |
| pitti | persia: good enough for me then | 02:30 |
| persia | pitti: Thanks. | 02:30 |
| Mithrandir | we usually want bugs so we have a trail | 02:30 |
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| pitti | persia: just use requestsync; I'll get to it later then | 02:31 |
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| persia | pitti: OK. Thanks. | 02:31 |
| StevenK | pitti: I wish checkrdepends could cope with multiple packages at once. I'd rather not have it download every Packages.gz file for gutsy it can lay its hands on 24 times. | 02:35 |
| pitti | StevenK: true :) at some point this needs a more elaborate rewrite, also to get better output formatting | 02:36 |
| pitti | like sorting all the arches to one line and such | 02:36 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: it's called a web proxy, isn't it? | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | s/pitti/SK/ | 02:40 |
| StevenK | I haven't trusted squid in quite some time. | 02:40 |
| persia | StevenK: oops worked fairly well last time I was playing with proxies... | 02:41 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| Mithrandir | iz Hobbsee | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: it iz! R U Scared YET??? | 02:42 |
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| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: should I be? ;-) | 02:43 |
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| Hobbsee | oh dear. Splatted Mithrandir. | 02:44 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: good thing I just moved out of the way then. | 02:44 |
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| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: it fell where you moved. you're out of luck. | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | it was big enough that it'd fall on you wherever you moved to. | 02:44 |
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| StevenK | pitti: Should I file bugs about Apache modules that Build-Depend on apache-dev, but not apache2-* and have no rdepends, or just tell you here? | 03:04 |
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| mdz | something is enabling laptop mode on my laptop in gutsy, when I switch to battery power | 03:12 |
| mdz | causing bug 12483 to rear its ugly head again | 03:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 12483 in linux-source-2.6.15 "laptop-mode/IDE-APM hang on various laptops" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12483 | 03:12 |
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| Hobbsee | damn these people with nicks the same length, and the same colour on my client. | 03:12 |
| mdz | amitk: are you familiar with that bug? | 03:12 |
| mdz | it would save a lot of headache and learning which new power management component is responsible, if laptop mode just worked | 03:13 |
| amitk | mdz: not yet. I can have a look tomorrow at the earliest | 03:13 |
| mdz | amitk: do you happen to know which package is responsible for activating laptop-mode? this used to be done by acpi-support, but no longer | 03:14 |
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| amitk | mdz: no I don't | 03:15 |
| kylem | mdz, laptop-mode-tools: /etc/init.d/laptop-mode | 03:15 |
| kylem | /etc/init.d/laptop-mode stop | 03:15 |
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| mdz | kylem: thanks | 03:16 |
| mdz | does laptop mode actually work properly on some laptops? | 03:16 |
| kylem | yeah. it works fine on mine. | 03:16 |
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| pygi | hey folks | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | hiya pygi. how's burning* going? | 03:17 |
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| pygi | Hobbsee, well, good, but I am more worried about my exams right now ^_^ | 03:17 |
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| Hobbsee | pygi: when do they finish? | 03:18 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, I had last written one yesterday ... if I pass, then it's oral one in the Monday, and that's it for now | 03:18 |
| pygi | but it still leaves me with too much exams ... I was playing too much :p | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: heh | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: exams suck. so does waiting for results. but that sucks less than the exams :P | 03:19 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, hehe :) | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: sounds cool :) | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: oral for what? language or something? | 03:19 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, no, that exam is "Organization" | 03:19 |
| pygi | well, from that class | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: erk | 03:20 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, for language exams I was forbidden to attend class one month and a half before end of it, and got A's :p | 03:20 |
| pygi | so no exams for me there ^_^ | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: a class on organization. that's...interesting...seeing as anyhting you learned in that class would probably be negated by the time you spent being in that class | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 03:20 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, just you laugh ^_^ | 03:21 |
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| Hobbsee | pygi: so do i. german will be useful if/when i move there. | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | or somewhere german-speaking. | 03:22 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, ehm, you're moving? | 03:22 |
| pitti | StevenK: removal bugs would be nice, for record keeping | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: sometime, yeah. after uni, i expect | 03:23 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, o well :) | 03:23 |
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| Hobbsee | pygi: australia's so far away from everythin gelse, etc | 03:23 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, ah | 03:24 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, a place is as far from everything else as you make it | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:24 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, but I do understand you | 03:25 |
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| ijuz__ | Hobbsee: i would not move to europe anymore, because it sucks | 03:27 |
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| Hobbsee | ijuz__: why? | 03:27 |
| ijuz__ | Hobbsee: politics are turning the EU into a state that would make Hitler and Mielke happy, i'm all negative | 03:30 |
| Mithrandir | ijuz__: Europe != EU. | 03:30 |
| ijuz__ | well, .no and .ch is still there, but not much else | 03:31 |
| pygi | ijuz__, Croatia is in Europe, and that's != EU as well :) | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | meh, politics | 03:31 |
| thom | we're way, way off topic :-) | 03:34 |
| pygi | thom, it's all fine tho ^_^ | 03:35 |
| ijuz__ | yes, well, not really soon, the EU will have laws that will bring you in prison when you write free software >:-> | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | thom: it's no war. | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 03:37 |
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| wasabi | somebody needs to clearly define a difference between files in ~ which shoudl be shared between machines and ones that shouldn't. | 03:43 |
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| maswan | wasabi: "files in ~ should be shared between machines.", seems resonable, no? | 03:51 |
| wasabi | Seems reasonable to me... but it implicitly implies files in ~ should be SHAREABLE between machines. | 03:52 |
| wasabi | Which is not the case all the time. | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | hi calc | 03:53 |
| pitti | hi calc | 03:53 |
| pitti | calc: do you plan a new OO.o upload soon? it's currently uninstallable due to the libcurl mess (it needs to be rebuilt against libcurl3) | 03:53 |
| maswan | Yes, but this should be considered a bug, IMHO. Sharing the entire ~ is rather common if you have more than a couple of computers. Say at a workplace/university/similar. | 03:54 |
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| wasabi | Wonder how Beagle should handle that. | 03:54 |
| wasabi | Since it's indexes are in ~ | 03:54 |
| calc | pitti: ah yea i will try to get that done asap | 03:54 |
| calc | pitti: i can't run gutsy on my boxes due to several issues but i can build it in a chroot | 03:55 |
| maswan | wasabi: name indexes after fqdn? | 03:55 |
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| calc | pitti: i just updated gutsy last night on my desktop and now it causes my machine to oops in the middle of apt-get dist-upgrade | 03:55 |
| mynameisdeleted | winehq.org's wine crashes on my latest gutsy upgrade, and so does crossover office | 03:55 |
| StevenK | pitti: Oh, can you ask mvo about an apt upload. I'm happy to do a rebuild update for it if he is. | 03:55 |
| mynameisdeleted | both with the same error | 03:55 |
| pitti | calc: we recently promoted lp-solve and usfparse to main, so that OO.o can use those external build deps instead of using the internal copies | 03:55 |
| calc | pitti: and either wpa or ifupdown is broken on my laptop | 03:56 |
| mynameisdeleted | and both in ld-linux | 03:56 |
| pitti | calc: crash> oh, oops | 03:56 |
| wasabi | maswan, I think my personal preference would be for indexes to not be in ~. | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | mynameisdeleted: please see the /topic | 03:56 |
| wasabi | maswan, We're talking about huge files, which don't have much performance when network mounted. | 03:56 |
| pitti | StevenK: yep, he's on vac; a mere rebuild won't hurt, though | 03:56 |
| maswan | wasabi: that would be the sensible solution, yes | 03:56 |
| StevenK | pitti: Shall I do it, then? | 03:56 |
| calc | pitti: not sure what causes it but it does it every time i run the command | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: i have an apt udpate anyway... | 03:56 |
| wasabi | But then where should they go? | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | but i want to test it out first :) | 03:56 |
| cjwatson | wasabi: I agree with maswan, I think non-shareable files in ~ are a bug | 03:56 |
| pitti | StevenK: even if we should lose the changelog due to version control not seeing your upload, it doesn't matter much | 03:56 |
| persia | wasabi: How about ~ indicies in ~, and machine indices in /usr/lib/beagle (/usr/lib to force local machine for shred /usr/share) | 03:57 |
| pitti | calc: with the feisty kernel, too? | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | wasabi: /var/lib/beagle/$USER? | 03:57 |
| persia | s/shred/shared/ | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | or /var/spool or /var/cache or whatever | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | definitely not /usr | 03:57 |
| wasabi | All of those sound fine. | 03:57 |
| StevenK | pitti: Right, I'll do it when I get up so I can keep an eye on it. | 03:57 |
| wasabi | Now convince the beagle guys. ; | 03:57 |
| calc | pitti: haven't attempted using the feisty kernel on my desktop since it was working fine with the same kernel before doing the update last night | 03:57 |
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| cjwatson | wasabi: surely changing paths is standard distro integration work | 03:57 |
| pitti | calc: ah, it was just a daily update, not one from Feisty? hmm | 03:57 |
| calc | pitti: i am going to try blasting the box and reloading feisty on it later today and make sure it is ok | 03:57 |
| wasabi | Maybe. | 03:58 |
| calc | pitti: yea a daily gutsy update caused the oops afaict | 03:58 |
| maswan | cjwatson: splitting the indexing for ~ and rest of system might be an upstreams request though | 03:58 |
| calc | pitti: of course blasting a production machine takes a while :\ | 03:58 |
| pitti | calc: you can check /var/log/dpkg.log to see which packages have been upgraded | 03:58 |
| pitti | calc: and revert some which might be the culprit | 03:58 |
| calc | pitti: it was quite a few i hadn't updated in a week or two | 03:58 |
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| pitti | calc: oh, erk; maybe install tribe-2 again instead of gutsy | 03:58 |
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| pitti | Hobbsee: topic diff? | 03:59 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: adding gutsy support location | 03:59 |
| coNP | pitti: #ubuntu+1 | 03:59 |
| calc | pitti: if it works, i tried tribe-2 installer on my laptop last night and it couldn't get past partman | 03:59 |
| calc | pitti: kept hanging up trying to set the partitions | 03:59 |
| pitti | calc: ah, manual parittioner? | 03:59 |
| calc | pitti: i partitioned it already was just using partman during the install process to mark which was swap and / and it hung during that | 04:00 |
| ScottK | pitti: Thanks for the notify-python sync. I've been working my way through the packages owned by Debian Python Modules Team to see what I can do to make them syncable and notify-python was next on my list. | 04:00 |
| pitti | ScottK: I just filed a bug, I didn't sync it yet | 04:01 |
| cjwatson | calc: do you think you could preserve it in a state where that happens so that we can dissect it at the sprint? | 04:01 |
| cjwatson | calc: part of the problem is that neither evand nor I can reproduce it locally | 04:01 |
| shirish | pitti: could you look up https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/124206 | 04:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124206 in apport "apport 0.88 while uploading shows errors" [Undecided,New] | 04:01 |
| calc | cjwatson: wrt the partman or something else? | 04:01 |
| cjwatson | calc: partman | 04:01 |
| ScottK | pitti: Understand. You've already saved me the trouble of writing the bug and the trouble of determining if it's syncable. | 04:01 |
| calc | cjwatson: i was able to reproduce it after reboot so it may still be reproducible at sprint | 04:01 |
| evand | cjwatson: I was able to reproduce it last night | 04:02 |
| evand | I think | 04:02 |
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| evand | bug 122645 | 04:02 |
| calc | cjwatson: needed to get one of my machines back online so i ended up reinstalling feisty for the time being | 04:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645 | 04:02 |
| cjwatson | evand: ooh, good | 04:02 |
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| calc | cjwatson: i also have an issue with wpa/ifupdown one of them not working properly even for open APs on gutsy | 04:02 |
| calc | cjwatson: i can get an ip address if i run dhclient eth directly but not if using network manager or ifupdown | 04:03 |
| cjwatson | calc: that I can't help with, but maybe asac or somebody else will be able to | 04:03 |
| calc | cjwatson: haven't been able to track it down to what exactly causes it due to not being able to install gutsy on my laptop yet, heh | 04:03 |
| cjwatson | live CD? | 04:03 |
| pitti | shirish: will loko in a bit | 04:04 |
| calc | cjwatson: yea | 04:04 |
| calc | cjwatson: from what i recall it happened on the installed version also | 04:04 |
| calc | cjwatson: also happens on amd64 gutsy as well from what i recall | 04:04 |
| cjwatson | oh, I meant that a live CD might be enough to track it down | 04:04 |
| calc | oh ok yea | 04:04 |
| calc | it shows up on the live cd definitely | 04:04 |
| shirish | pitti: thanx, I have sent you a pm also, i'll hang here for a while, if you need more info. either pm me or here itself, either is good :) | 04:04 |
| cjwatson | assuming you have enough memory (or set up swap) you can build and install packages on the running live CD, which is usually enough | 04:05 |
| asac | siretart: sorry ... i currently really don't use much of network-manager ... currently trying to change that | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: that's already reported, i think | 04:06 |
| shirish | Hobbsee: ok cool Hobbsee please mark it duplicate it then, so I can subscribe to the original | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: btw - people tend to be busy, and he's likely subscribed to all apport bugs, so bringing up $yourpetbug isnt going to get so far | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: it's filed under synaptic, i think. it was in -bugs yesterday or so. look it up. | 04:07 |
| shirish | Hobbsee: oh, synaptic? ok | 04:07 |
| pitti | shirish: what Hobbsee said, I'm subscribed to apport bugs and regularly look at them anyway | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: unless i shoved it to apport | 04:08 |
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| shirish | pitti: I'm sure of it, I was unsure whether it was a genuine bug or was it something I was doing wrong, Hobbsee just confirmed it :) | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: if it is, or is not, you'll find out when he happens to go thru the new apport bugs | 04:09 |
| ogra | BenC, hey ... | 04:09 |
| BenC | ogra: yo | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | like i say, bringing it up in here, when he's usually busy with something else, isnt going to make him drop the something else, and go and fix $yourpetbug. | 04:09 |
| ogra | BenC, would it be possible to ship the oss headers in the linux-headers package again, they somehow vanished recently | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: nor care, particularly much. particularly teh more you do it. | 04:10 |
| shirish | Hobbsee: true. | 04:10 |
| calc | BenC: i was able to determine it is not the ipw3945 driver in gutsy at fault | 04:11 |
| pitti | evand: oh, something just occured to me | 04:11 |
| calc | BenC: not sure if you saw my discussion with crimsun about it last night | 04:11 |
| evand | ok | 04:11 |
| pitti | evand: it's gksu vs. sudo, right? Recently I changed sudo to print more detailled password prompts | 04:11 |
| evand | Yes, running with sudo works, but gksu does not. | 04:11 |
| pitti | evand: that did not break kdesu nor sudo in any way that I tested it with, and it's rather unlikely that it causes ubiquity to hang, but it's worth mentioning at least | 04:12 |
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| pitti | evand: so maybe it's worth trying the tribe-1 version of sudo | 04:12 |
| evand | hrmm, I'll keep that in mind, thanks | 04:12 |
| pitti | evand: it would be really curious if that would fix it, but can't hurt to check :) | 04:12 |
| evand | indeed | 04:12 |
| cjwatson | I'm sceptical about that as a cause too | 04:12 |
| cjwatson | after all it only runs gksu/sudo right at the start | 04:13 |
| pitti | at most something like 'gksu checks for output, sees something different, and does not export an important variable" or so | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | i wonder if it happened for kdesu... | 04:13 |
| cjwatson | pitti: I suppose that's possible | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: ping? | 04:13 |
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| stgraber | Hobbsee: pong | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: at the bottom of the iso testing page, hwo hard would it be to have a link to "previous snapshot releases", where you could go back to tribe 1, 2, or whatever, done chronologically down the page (collapsable, i guess), and view the test results from them. currently, it's either not possible, or i havent figured out how to see the old tests and results. | 04:15 |
| stgraber | Hobbsee: oh, looks like our archive page isn't public ... strange it should be | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: ah | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: i didnt see it even hwen logged in, though | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: it's quite possible that i could have missed it - i'm terrible at finding things right in front of me...but i would have thought i'd find something like that | 04:16 |
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| calc | anyone know of any packages that would have caused my oops in apt-get dist-upgrade that were uploaded to gutsy in the past ~ 2 weeks | 04:18 |
| stgraber | Hobbsee: no, it seems that the link is only shown for site admins, I just added to my todolist for Monday, you can still use : https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/archive/ (but you'll see some weird thing like the checkboxes :)) | 04:18 |
| calc | i can try tracking it down myself but just wondered if anyone had run across the issue already? | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: okay, cool, thanks :) | 04:18 |
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| BenC | rough update...xchat-gnome started locking up, and then wont start again afterwards...firefox session restore is broken | 04:20 |
| BenC | wonder what else I can find :) | 04:20 |
| calc | BenC: have you seen the lovely oops during apt-get dist-upgrade? | 04:21 |
| BenC | calc: I ran dist-upgrade, didn't see an oops | 04:21 |
| calc | BenC: i saw that last night after not upgrading gutsy for a while | 04:21 |
| calc | BenC: ah too bad ;) | 04:22 |
| BenC | calc: so you were probably running a kernel older than -7? | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: evand no one seemed to report that on the kde side, so it may be specific to gksudo. or maybe no one found it. not sure. | 04:22 |
| calc | was running -6 yea, i think i rebooted into -7 and the same thing happened | 04:22 |
| persia | BenC: Regarding firefox session restore, try removing .mozilla/firefox/(session)/extensions/extensions.rdf and .mozilla/firefox/(session)/extensions/staged-xpis | 04:22 |
| calc | BenC: anything wrong with -6 that would cause that? | 04:22 |
| evand | hrm | 04:22 |
| BenC | calc: very possible..if it happens with -7, please save and report | 04:23 |
| BenC | persia: thanks | 04:23 |
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| calc | BenC: ok | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | evand: i'll try it here now | 04:23 |
| Lure | siretart: whay did you add gnome depends back to network-manager? | 04:23 |
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| Hobbsee | evand: at least, a tribe 2 | 04:23 |
| evand | thanks Hobbsee | 04:23 |
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| Lure | siretart: this will not make Riddell happy (and will make kubuntu cd oversized) | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: yay, 2 people not happy on that basis :P | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | evand: find me some more ram, kthxbye. | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:26 |
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| Hobbsee | evand: i've got this strange feeling that ubiquity-kdeui doesnt use either sudo or kdesu on the live cd, but it's allowed to run as root, without requiring a password | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | evand: it neither mentions kdesu or sudo in it's desktop file | 04:34 |
| BenC | that mystery is solved, sort of...xchat-gnome blocks on read from the esd socket | 04:34 |
| BenC | kill esd and things go back to normal | 04:34 |
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| pitti | right, I wanted to demote that to deskop recommends a long time ago, too | 04:35 |
| pitti | no need to kill ubuntu-desktop just for removing insanity | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | evand: it doesnt have X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true either...doesnt even have that line - which something like adept_manager does. | 04:36 |
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| Hobbsee | evand: i lie. it's calling with kdesu --nonewdcop | 04:38 |
| evand | Hobbsee: it's done by ubiquity itself | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | right, yeah | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | evand: i cant reproduce it on kde in virtualbox | 04:40 |
| evand | hrm, ok | 04:40 |
| evand | thanks | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | didnt try proper hardware, of course | 04:40 |
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| pitti | hm, I need to do an experiment for a new apport change, but I need someone who is *not* an ubuntu-core-dev for this | 04:44 |
| geser | what do you want tested? | 04:44 |
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| pitti | one is enough, I guess, thanks for the interest :) | 04:45 |
| pitti | please install apport-cli as a guinea pig package and add an 'assert False' to /usr/bin/apport-cli, right after "if __name__ == '__main__':" (at the bottom) | 04:46 |
| siretart | Lure: I agree that the gnome-dependency is unfortunate. however breaking 3 reverse dependencies (the vpn plugins) isn't nice as well | 04:46 |
| pitti | i. e. that's a package where I'm comfortable with dealing with some bug spam and which is easy to control | 04:46 |
| Lure | siretart: but breaking kubuntu is not an option ether | 04:47 |
| siretart | Lure: perhaps we can split the nm-vpn-properties application to an own binary package. | 04:47 |
| siretart | asac: how do you think about it? | 04:47 |
| Lure | siretart: yep, but I think that vpn-properties is supposed to move to n-m-applet in future, that is why it was moved there as a patch | 04:48 |
| siretart | Lure: please don't imply I wanted to break kubuntu | 04:48 |
| Lure | by Tonio_ if I recall correctly | 04:48 |
| Lure | siretart: I did not want to imply that, sorry for that | 04:48 |
| siretart | Tonio_: around? | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: yep | 04:48 |
| Lure | pitti: do you recall this discussion about vpn-properties being moved to -applet | 04:49 |
| pitti | Lure: vaguely | 04:49 |
| siretart | Tonio_: I had the impression that nm-vpn-properties has been moved from -applet to network-manager | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: we discussed with mbiebl and decided to do that way | 04:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you discussed it with mbiebl or n-m upstream? | 04:49 |
| siretart | Tonio_: I didn't find any traces of that there, so I reenabled it in the network-manager source package | 04:49 |
| geser | pitti: done, what's next? | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: mbiebl | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: let me check | 04:50 |
| pitti | geser: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/python-apport_0.89_all.deb -> can you please gdebi that? | 04:50 |
| siretart | Tonio_: why did nm-vpn-properties get dropped then in gutsy from -applet? | 04:50 |
| Lure | siretart: it may have been dropped by recent rework by asac | 04:50 |
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| Tonio_ | siretart: it wasn't in my package afaicr | 04:50 |
| pitti | shirish: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/python-apport_0.89_all.deb -> can you please gdebi that? | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | but it has been reworked a lot to fix patches issues which I couldn't handle | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: I need to investigate, gimme a moment | 04:51 |
| shirish | pitti: ok will do | 04:51 |
| siretart | Lure: it has been missing for more than one week. I was too annoyed about the broken openvpn package so I looked at the source packages and just fixed it | 04:52 |
| pitti | shirish, geser: with the new python-apport, please call 'apport-cli' and report the crash as usual | 04:52 |
| siretart | Lure: it seems to me that there should be a more visible hint in the source package where nm-vpn-properties is supposed to be | 04:52 |
| Lure | siretart: problem is that upstream has left vpn-properties in wrong tar | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: Tonio_ any idea why knetworkmanager doesnt seem to autoconnect on startup, and hasnt for the past few weeks now? | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: exactly | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: known bug, waiting for a fix :) | 04:53 |
| siretart | Lure: I assume you are in contact with upstream to fix that? | 04:53 |
| Lure | siretart: mbiebl talked with them and this is supposed to be addressed in next upstream release | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: right. guess you cant shove them along? | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: to make it simple, the point was that the vpn-prpperties is still in the n-m tarball, not the applet | 04:54 |
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| siretart | Tonio_: I got that. I reenabled it in network-manager because of lack of better knowledge | 04:54 |
| eagles0513875 | jw is anyone else have the problem where after they login on a broadband connection they connection doesnt automatically start | 04:54 |
| eagles0513875 | once u log in | 04:54 |
| eagles0513875 | im on the 64bit version of gutsy | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | eagles0513875: ... | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: the problem is that due to shlibsdeps, this was giving gnome dependancies on the n-m package | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | eagles0513875: #ubuntu+1 for a start, and i just answered you. | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | which is not good for kubuntu | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | eagles0513875: and the fact that you've just come in and disturbed a whole lot of other conversations, too. | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | so we dedided to install it in a hidden directory, then tell to shlibsdeps to ignore it, and patch n-m-applet, so that you could use it while the applet is installed | 04:55 |
| eagles0513875 | sry i will leave channel | 04:55 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: sounds...crackful | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | slightly | 04:55 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: good observation ;-) | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: no other way if we don't want n-m to ship with 30 megs of gnome deps | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: tru ethat | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: the change probably was lost by esac I guess | 04:57 |
| siretart | Tonio_: as said, I got that | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: then n-m-applet pointed to a place where vpn-properties was missing.... | 04:57 |
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| siretart | Tonio_: yes | 04:57 |
| siretart | I know | 04:57 |
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| Tonio_ | siretart: so what is the problem ? I mmust say I don't get you now ;) | 04:58 |
| siretart | Tonio_: I don't really care where vpn-properties actually is. I just don't want the package to be left broken around just because nobody cares | 04:58 |
| siretart | Tonio_: see my recent network-manager uploads from today morning | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: that I understand | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: well I id the package, but I don't use it myself, hard for me to be sure new uploads still work | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: do you still hide it from shlibsdeps ? | 04:59 |
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| siretart | Tonio_: the network-manager package currently depends on libglib | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | hum.... | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: isn't that possible to simply switch back to what I did first upload ? it worked afair | 05:01 |
| siretart | Tonio_: you mean to drop nm-vpn-properties again? sorry, I don't want to break packages on purpose | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: no, no, no | 05:02 |
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| Tonio_ | siretart: install in not in /usr/bin, then patch the applet, and tell dh_shlibsdeps to ignore it | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: it was working on the initial upload | 05:03 |
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| crimsun | pitti: ok, thanks. | 05:04 |
| siretart | Tonio_: that part got dropped somehow. Feel free to reintroduce it (as long as nm-vpn-properties doesn't get dropped again ;) | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: sure | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: will do that toonight | 05:05 |
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| Tonio_ | siretart: I'll email asac on that point for further maintance of the package | 05:06 |
| pitti | geser: nevermind any more, I have the test results; please make sure to "apt-get install python-apport/gutsy" and purge apport-cli (or restore it); thank you | 05:06 |
| shirish | siretart: I have pmmed you something, please take a look at it as & when you can. | 05:09 |
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| slomo | hi pitti :) | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | hi slomo | 05:14 |
| slomo | hi Hobbsee | 05:14 |
| asac | Tonio_: pong | 05:15 |
| asac | Tonio_: sorry ... still fighting with some wifi setup stuff here ... so unreponsive | 05:15 |
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| asac | siretart: did you commit your changes to bzr? | 05:16 |
| Lure | Tonio_: [17:15] <asac> Tonio_: sorry ... still fighting with some wifi setup stuff here ... so unreponsive | 05:16 |
| shirish | asac: who is responsible for network-manager stuff? | 05:16 |
| pitti | asac: run! | 05:16 |
| asac | yeah ... i already have the feeling | 05:17 |
| Lure | asac: siretart's changes are in bzr | 05:17 |
| asac | and her dropped more than just adding vpn? | 05:17 |
| pitti | Master dholbach? can you please check whether you got bug mail for #124219? | 05:17 |
| Lure | asac: we need old hack from Tonio_ for vpn-properties in order not to pull in gnome depends for kubuntu | 05:17 |
| Lure | vpn-properties is supposed to move to -applet in next release to fix this long term | 05:18 |
| asac | Lure: can we please make a list of changes needed ... and don't do stuff in a hurry | 05:18 |
| dholbach | bug 124219 | 05:18 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124219 in apport "apport-cli crashed with IndentationError in CLIUserInterface()()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124219 | 05:18 |
| Lure | asac: Tonio_ said that he will write e-mail to you | 05:19 |
| pitti | dholbach: it's a test bug for checking LP behaviour of email notifications | 05:19 |
| asac | Tonio_: ping | 05:19 |
| pitti | dholbach: I just need to know whether anyone from ubuntu-core-dev got bug mail about this | 05:19 |
| siretart | asac: sure! | 05:19 |
| dholbach | pitti: no, didn't get it yet | 05:19 |
| asac | Lure: siretart Tonio_ ... feel free to change things ... but please bring up a private bzr branch and tell me to pull and release changes in future :) | 05:19 |
| pitti | dholbach: well, you shouldn't :) | 05:19 |
| dholbach | I thought so ;-) | 05:19 |
| dholbach | great | 05:19 |
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| pitti | dholbach: ubuntu-core-dev is sub'ed to that bug through ubuntu-crashes-main | 05:20 |
| dholbach | right | 05:20 |
| pitti | dholbach: so it seems that the "black hole" team contact address fro u-crashes-main does its job | 05:20 |
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| asac | Lure: siretart Tonio_ ... at least we can discuss stuff before they get pushed... otherwise we will always end up playing ping pong with network-manager | 05:20 |
| pitti | dholbach: cool, thanks! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting, there you go! | 05:20 |
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| Tonio__ | asac: I agree, and btw the changes I've done for the vpn-properties should have been documented in the package | 05:22 |
| asac | Tonio__: so is documentation missing now ... or is all fine now ... let me pull latest branch | 05:22 |
| Tonio__ | asac: the only thing to be done is re-add the changes I've done for the vpn-properties part | 05:23 |
| Tonio__ | asac: are you there toonight (means 2~3 hours) ? | 05:23 |
| Tonio__ | asac: i'm at work yet, no way to do that atm | 05:23 |
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| asac | i will be here at development meeting | 05:28 |
| asac | tomorrow i am here as well | 05:28 |
| pitti | asac: so, we'll have our discussion tomorrow? | 05:28 |
| asac | pitti: maybe we can do it in a few minuts ... depends if i get this wifi working here :) | 05:28 |
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| asac | pitti: haha ... i have problems with encryption | 05:29 |
| asac | pitti: normal works | 05:29 |
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| asac | pitti: but i want more :/ | 05:29 |
| asac | pitti: can i do the testcase for our infamous bug without enc? | 05:30 |
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| pitti | asac: you don't need wifi for that | 05:30 |
| pitti | asac: simple eth is enough | 05:30 |
| pitti | asac: in fact it's much easier, since you can unplug/replug | 05:30 |
| pitti | the lack of a cable makes this a bit harder for wifi :) | 05:30 |
| asac | pitti: ah ... so eth1 and eth0 ? | 05:31 |
| asac | pitti: or do i just need one ? | 05:31 |
| pitti | asac: either is fine | 05:31 |
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| shawarma | testing.... bug 12345 | 06:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345 | 06:11 |
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| ogra | BenC, did you get my question from before ? (i think your xchat crashed) | 06:21 |
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| BenC | ogra: no, I didn't see it | 06:35 |
| ogra | BenC, would it be possible to ship the oss headers in the linux-headers package again, they somehow vanished recently | 06:36 |
| BenC | ogra: in gutsy? | 06:36 |
| ogra | yep | 06:36 |
| ogra | i have one thin client with a sis7019 soundchip | 06:36 |
| ogra | for these things exist no alsa drivers | 06:37 |
| BenC | ogra: Can you file a bug so I or someone else can look into it? | 06:37 |
| ogra | i have one oss driver here that works but i need to pull the oss headers out of te linux-source package | 06:37 |
| ogra | indeed | 06:37 |
| ogra | so it wasnt on purpose ? | 06:37 |
| BenC | ogra: Not by me, but maybe something upstream did | 06:38 |
| ogra | well, its in the source tarball | 06:38 |
| ogra | just doesnt get packaged into the headers package | 06:38 |
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| EvanCarroll | can someone confirm a defualt ubuntu install only has that which is listed as a dependency in ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-desktop ? | 08:53 |
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| Keybuk | EvanCarroll: no | 09:04 |
| Keybuk | EvanCarroll: it also has kernels, boot loaders, etc. as appropriate for your architecture | 09:04 |
| Kmos | Keybuk: can you look at bug 46657 | 09:05 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 46657 in kdenetwork "Kopete gives error when you're on your own contact list" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46657 | 09:05 |
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| pitti | StevenK: what about asterisk? It's the last reverse dependency (apart from nexuiz-server, which you wanted to get synced) | 09:29 |
| pitti | StevenK: oh, and gambas-gb-net-curl and apt, of course | 09:30 |
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| geser | pitti: he uploaded gambas 1.0.18-1build1 already | 09:32 |
| geser | or didn't the upload fix it? | 09:33 |
| pitti | geser: ah, then NBS is just out of date, I guess | 09:33 |
| pitti | hm, FTBFS on sparc and powerpc | 09:33 |
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| pitti | ah, that needs a P-a-s change | 09:34 |
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| Keybuk | Kmos: ? I don't think I'm a good person to look at that bug | 09:47 |
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| asac | pitti: if you ask someone about p-a-s change ... can you remind them about flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 as well :) | 09:55 |
| asac | ? | 09:55 |
| pitti | asac: it needs to be added there? | 09:55 |
| asac | amd64 ... yes | 09:58 |
| asac | i pinged elmo infinity and send mail .. no answer so far | 09:59 |
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| pitti | asac: mail sent, you are in CC | 09:59 |
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| cjwatson | EvanCarroll: it's also possible for it to have random other hardware-appropriate packages, e.g. mouseemu on Macs - and you forgot about ubuntu-minimal | 10:17 |
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| dholbach | pitti: which mail address would you set for ubuntu-main-sponsors then? | 10:31 |
| pitti | dholbach: hm, we cannot recycle ubuntu-bugs@ | 10:31 |
| pitti | it needs a new one, so we'll probably need another 'black hole' address | 10:31 |
| dholbach | but people who are in the team and want to have bug mails about that as they're used to? | 10:32 |
| dholbach | I didn't want to change the workflow for people who use the teams arleady | 10:32 |
| dholbach | that's why I founded the new team | 10:32 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Hm. Looks like your laptop-mode upload reintroduced the acpi event scripts (sorry for not catching that) | 10:32 |
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| pitti | dholbach: that's why I think we should mail the team members; we need to do that in either case | 10:33 |
| pitti | mjg59: uh; as I said, I could not test it, I just reviewed the merge and it looked reasonable; sorry for that | 10:34 |
| dholbach | pitti: I think that an announce of the new team and workflow will be just fine ;-) | 10:34 |
| mjg59 | Ah, sorry, I thought you'd looked over it rather than just pointing me at the MoM | 10:34 |
| mjg59 | My fault :( | 10:34 |
| mjg59 | (Though, like I said, we should drop it - it does insanity) | 10:34 |
| pitti | mjg59: I did look over the patch, but since I did not exactly know what it actually does, I didn't notice that this script is a problem | 10:35 |
| mjg59 | It handles policy inside laptop-mode | 10:35 |
| pitti | dholbach: right, I'm fine with mailing the old members and point out the new team, but it still feels wrong to me; your call, though | 10:36 |
| dholbach | pitti: I think it only makes sense to re-use ubuntu-main-sponsors and ubuntu-universe-sponsors, if we mail each and every of the team members, explaining the workflow and get a mailing list for the *-main-* team | 10:37 |
| geser | pitti: could you please give-back commons-io? | 10:37 |
| pitti | dholbach: right; but as I said, we need to mail them all anyway | 10:37 |
| dholbach | ok, fine with me... ... ... although it will take a while until we get that mailing list | 10:38 |
| pitti | geser: kicked | 10:38 |
| geser | pitti: thanks | 10:39 |
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| Kmos | evand: bug 47238 | 10:48 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 47238 in ubiquity "Bugs with time settings during installation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47238 | 10:48 |
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| tormod | mjg59: what laptop-mode are you talking about? laptop-mode-tools 1.34-1ubuntu1 ? | 10:49 |
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| mjg59 | Yess | 10:50 |
| evand | thanks Kmos | 10:51 |
| tormod | mjg59: I guess I am at fault, since I did the merge. But there was not mentioned in older changelogs that some events scripts were left out. Anyway, what do you think of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/laptop-mode-tools/+bug/80980/comments/6 ? | 10:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 80980 in laptop-mode-tools "power management on ipw2200 and ipw3945" [Undecided,New] | 10:55 |
| mjg59 | This is why I want to reimplemtn it | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | Kmos: at least part of that bug appears to be wrong; see my comment | 10:57 |
| mjg59 | We have something that manages policy in respones to acpi events - acpid | 10:57 |
| mjg59 | laptop-mode-tools should control laptop-mode and nothing else | 10:58 |
| tormod | mjg59: do you agree with Bart, so we can do it (more like) the upstream way? | 10:58 |
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| mjg59 | tormod: No | 10:59 |
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| tormod | mjg59: I hope you can discuss it with Bart, so we get sanity in both Ubuntu and Debian. | 11:00 |
| Kmos | cjwatson: ok | 11:00 |
| mjg59 | tormod: As I said, laptop-mode-tools is the wrong place to manage policy | 11:00 |
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| fabbione | how did system-config-cluster landed on the livecd? | 11:01 |
| pitti | fabbione: ?? | 11:02 |
| pitti | fabbione: it's not in the seeds | 11:02 |
| pitti | and no reverse dependency of anything | 11:02 |
| fabbione | pitti: see the bug | 11:02 |
| fabbione | pitti: he might have installed it manually but i doubt | 11:03 |
| pitti | fabbione: well, you can install it in the live system | 11:03 |
| fabbione | pitti: do you have an amd64 where you can try to reproduce it? (not now.. sometime tomorrow would be fine) | 11:04 |
| pitti | fabbione: yes, I have | 11:04 |
| pitti | (my main workstation) | 11:04 |
| fabbione | pitti: if you have time.. would you mind ? | 11:04 |
| pitti | and vmware | 11:05 |
| fabbione | i will test i386 | 11:05 |
| pitti | fabbione: no, that's fine; I keep the browser tab open to remind me tomorrow | 11:05 |
| fabbione | but tomorrow is fine | 11:05 |
| fabbione | thanks | 11:05 |
| pitti | fabbione: but the traceback is quite clear? | 11:05 |
| tormod | mjg59: I found your changelog note "Don't ship acpi scripts (we handle that ourselves)" from 2005... Maybe that should go in a separate patch file instead of all the handpatching. | 11:05 |
| fabbione | pitti: yes, but it starts on i386 normal installation here | 11:06 |
| pitti | fabbione: I saw quite a number of similar bugs on restricted-manager and such | 11:06 |
| pitti | fabbione: either we have a pretty nasty bug in python-central, or he ran it during an upgrade or so | 11:06 |
| pitti | fabbione: I'll try it out tomorrow | 11:06 |
| fabbione | pitti: thanks | 11:07 |
| Kmos | doko: dpkg has a new version on debian | 11:07 |
| fabbione | pitti: from the menu i can't start it at all.. i think the helper should invoke gsudo or something.. and it doesn't.. from console it works fine.. | 11:08 |
| fabbione | pitti: anyway.. tomorrow.. thanks man | 11:08 |
| pitti | fabbione: sleep well | 11:08 |
| fabbione | you too | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | Kmos: you realise that will be extremely common now we're past Debian import freeze? | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | from then to upstream version freeze, new syncs/merges can happen freely but generally only when there's some interesting reason to do so, rather than just "because it's there" | 11:09 |
| Kmos | cjwatson: hmm.. i think it's the time to do some merges/syncs | 11:10 |
| Kmos | because there are a lot to do | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | please re-read what I said | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | we are not aiming to get merges/syncs down at this point just for the sake of it | 11:10 |
| Kmos | yeah | 11:10 |
| Kmos | only for important things | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | right, and important changes rather than important packages | 11:11 |
| Kmos | things = bugs | 11:11 |
| Kmos | I think it'll only freeze for tribe-4 | 11:11 |
| cjwatson | the relevant freezes are scheduled and visible on GutsyReleaseSchedule | 11:11 |
| cjwatson | they aren't necessarily synced to milestone releases | 11:12 |
| Kmos | ok :) | 11:12 |
| Kmos | sorry | 11:12 |
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