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[02:12] <agoliveira> bspencer: Hey Bob. I just saw that you answered a few of my questions. Thanks a lot. I'll sure send you all a compiled version of the answers
[02:12] <bspencer> yes, hopefully charlie can fill out the rest soon
[02:19] <agoliveira> bspencer: A question: so the UI is still currently using flash, right?
[02:21] <bspencer> yes, currently
[02:21] <agoliveira> bspencer: and can you give us the prototipe to play a bit?
[02:21] <bspencer> we hope to make a public project out of it in the next few days
[02:21] <bspencer> then it can be clearer
[02:21] <agoliveira> Fine
[02:21] <bspencer> agoliveira, totally
[02:21] <bspencer> the whole thing
[02:22] <agoliveira> Great :)
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[11:57] <jscinoz> Hey
[11:57] <jscinoz> Is it known what handsets/PDA's ubuntu mobile will run on?
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[12:30] <ian_brasil> hi
[12:32] <ian_brasil> maybe this will help...i have apt-get upgraded and started hildon desktop inside chroot...i try to change the background image and i get a core dump
[12:32] <ian_brasil> ** ERROR **: file hildon-file-system-settings.c: line 921 (_hildon_file_system_prepare_banner): assertion failed: (conn != NULL)
[12:32] <ian_brasil> aborting...
[12:32] <ian_brasil> Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)
[12:33] <Mithrandir> restart dbus in the chroot
[12:35] <ian_brasil> thanks, that works
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[02:06] <Mithrandir> hi adilson
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[02:23] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Hi.
[02:25] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: I saw you had a chat with bob spencer last night, but it seems he failed to submit a status update to the list.  Any idea whats up with his specs?
[02:26] <Mithrandir> or rather, are you on top of it, or I should I ask the intel guys?
[02:27] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: No. I just received an answer from him by email to a list of itens I sent regarding the SoW.
[02:27] <Mithrandir> ok
[02:28] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: At least today yet I should be up to my neck with that problem so you better ask them yourself if you don't mind.
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[02:29] <Mithrandir> yup
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[02:44] <amitk> agoliveira: Can an updated list of UME kernel config changes wait 60 mins?
[02:49] <agoliveira> amitk: Yes, no prtoblem. I want your final cut on this before send it to Matt.
[02:50] <amitk> agoliveira: final cut may not happen in an hour. But I can send you the current list soon.
[02:52] <agoliveira> amitk: The meeting was postponed to tomorrow 1200UTC so we can take some more time on this today.
[02:53] <Mithrandir> well, I'd like to have a status update on the spec before the meeting at 1600 UTC anyway.
[02:53] <Mithrandir> (as per the -mobile list)
[02:53] <amitk> agoliveira: ok
[02:53] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Ah, yes. That would be nice too.
[02:55] <amitk> mithrandir: I have had no time yet to work on the MID power mgmt spec. agoliveira's request last night pre-empted yours. And I am doing a Gutsy kernel release simultaneously
[02:55] <Mithrandir> amitk: that's ok
[03:00] <Mithrandir> amitk: just having a single paragraph with the current state of the mobile kernel sent as an followup to my call for statuses on -mobile would be good.  Also, I believe the delivery status in LP should be moved to good progress?
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[03:28] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: An IDE? Why? One can use many.
[03:29] <Mithrandir> yes, though somebody has added "investigating $one_particular" to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/DevelopmentEnvironment
[03:29] <Mithrandir> I think just providing the bits is fine for most
[03:30] <agoliveira> Yep.
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[04:01] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: On the other hand, perhaps would be nice to at least make a note about that pyphantom as it's very specific to create hildon plugins.
[04:02] <Mithrandir> true dat
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[05:08] <ian_brasil> i am working on pyphantom now, on the threading ...i think it is very promising
[05:25] <Mithrandir> matchbox-keyboard seems kinda interesting.
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[05:59] <Mithrandir> hi mauri
[05:59] <agoliveira> Any intel persons around here yet?
[05:59] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: mauri just joined, but I haven't seen more of them
[05:59] <agoliveira> ...but mauri :)
[06:00] <mauri_> I'll go see where people are
[06:00] <mauri_> Hi
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[06:02] <mauri_> Found Rob, he'll be here in a second.  We are coming back from a holiday yesterday...
[06:02] <robr_> hola everyone
[06:03] <agoliveira> Hi Rob.
[06:06] <Mithrandir> mauri_: did you find any of the others?
[06:06] <Mithrandir> iirc, Charlie is on holidays
[06:07] <mauri_> still looking - one more minute
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[06:07] <Mithrandir> would it help you guys if we moved the meeting a couple of hours later?
[06:08] <agoliveira> mauri_: BTW, will be Charlie working today? I desperately need some hardware answers on that list I sent yesterday.
[06:10] <mauri_> Charlie is on holiday, I'm on the phone with Rusty, he won't be joining.  I'm looking for a different contact.
[06:11] <agoliveira> mauri_: Hmmm... big problem. Is there anyone else who could help me with that list?
[06:11] <mauri_> I just sent your email to Rob, he might be able to answer some questions.
[06:12] <robr_> agoliveira, what are your questions?
[06:12] <agoliveira> Thanks
[06:12] <agoliveira> robr_: Mauri forwarded my email. Can we talk after the meeting?
[06:13] <agoliveira> And. Mauri, if you speak to Rusty, ask him if he can take a look there too. We are in a very tight schedule here.
[06:13] <agoliveira> Shall we start?
[06:13] <Mithrandir> yes, we should
[06:14] <Mithrandir> I've sent an email to the list of the specs with me as an assignee, so did amitk.
[06:14] <Mithrandir> it would be good if those who haven't read those to take two minutes to read through them
[06:14] <mauri_> agoliveira: I actually think I'll find a better contact, I'm looking
[06:15] <Mithrandir> then we can go through the rest of the specs not covered in that update, as well as answer any questions.
[06:15] <agoliveira> mauri_: Thanks
[06:17] <Mithrandir> mauri_: any idea where bob is?  Or is he too on holiday?
[06:18] <mauri_> I thought Bob would be here, I was on line with him yesterday and he is not on holiday today.
[06:18] <Mithrandir> oh well, let's get going then
[06:18] <Mithrandir> anybody got any questions about the updates sent to the list?
[06:19] <agoliveira> I'm ok
[06:21] <Mithrandir> mauri_: any questions from your side?
[06:22] <mauri_> No, unfortunate that Bob and Rusty aren't here.  I apologize.  
[06:23] <robr_> did our poulsbo patches make it into your kernel?
[06:23] <mauri_> I am sending the Samsung Q1 Ultra systems today.
[06:23] <Mithrandir> robr_: yes, they have been uploaded earlier today (iirc)
[06:23] <Mithrandir> mauri_: nice, shipping worked out well?
[06:23] <agoliveira> mauri_: Any idea on when they should arrive? Matt is a bit worried about that.
[06:23] <robr_> Mithrandir, excellent
[06:23] <mauri_> So far on my end, but that isn't the receiving end!
[06:24] <Mithrandir> amitk: are you here?
[06:24] <mauri_> When shipping to Brazil, I really have no idea.
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[06:24] <agoliveira> mauri_: Actually I'm more concernbed about the units being send to UK.
[06:24] <mauri_> I will choose my fastest option from my end.
[06:24] <amitk> mithrandir: yes
[06:24] <agoliveira> We appreciate that. Thanks.
[06:24] <Mithrandir> amitk: what other kernel changes in addition to the ones you have committed are you expecting?
[06:25] <Mithrandir> amitk: and can you confirm that the first round of patches has been uploaded?
[06:25] <amitk> mithrandir: more drivers will be trimmed
[06:25] <amitk> mithrandir: and filesystems probably
[06:26] <Mithrandir> ok
[06:26] <amitk> mithrandir: the changes will be uploaded after the second round - late today or tomorrow morning
[06:27] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks.
[06:27] <amitk> robr_: the patches are in. I am uploading the kernel today hopefully
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[06:28] <Mithrandir> given that neither Bob nor Charlie is here, it's kinda hard to get an update from them on the status on their specs, unless mauri_ can provide it?
[06:28] <mauri_> I can't, we need Bob.  I can make sure that Bob gives status via the mailing list when I talk to him. 
[06:29] <Mithrandir> thanks, that would be very useful
=== agoliveira also would be glad to have some updates on the state of UI and project builder
[06:29] <agoliveira> Sorry for the "/me". Old habit :)
[06:29] <Mithrandir> I've begun playing around with project builder, but haven't got a full grasp on it yet.
[06:29] <mauri_> I can make sure that happens.
[06:29] <agoliveira> Thanks.
[06:30] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Me too but there's some caveats that Rusty told me that have to be dealt manually. I just don't know how :)
[06:30] <Mithrandir> yup
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[06:31] <Mithrandir> there's bob!  Excellent.
[06:31] <bspencer> thanks, only 30min late
[06:31] <bspencer> a record
[06:31] <Mithrandir> *cough*
[06:31] <agoliveira> Hi Bob!
[06:31] <bspencer> hey agoliveira 
[06:31] <Mithrandir> we might want to look at moving those meetings a bit later, if that works better for you?
[06:31] <bspencer> 9am is fine
[06:31] <bspencer> my bad
[06:32] <Mithrandir> just not the day after July 4th? ;-)
[06:32] <bspencer> yeah, maybe :)
[06:33] <Mithrandir> can you give us an update on your specs?
[06:33] <bspencer> I didn't get to the media player spec
[06:33] <bspencer> but we have made good progress on its definition
[06:33] <bspencer> so updating the spec should be quick
[06:34] <bspencer> I thikn that was my last spec
[06:34] <bspencer> at least up until now
[06:34] <bspencer> I see a couple were approved, thanks
[06:34] <bspencer> wrt UI, I hope to work with agoliveira to get our UI in ubuntu very soon
[06:34] <Mithrandir> -utilities is marked as blocked; it should be unblocked now, shouldn't it?
[06:34] <bspencer> it is a matter of configuration and a new theme
[06:34] <bspencer> and a new plugins package
[06:34] <bspencer> wrt utilities...
[06:35] <bspencer> we could still use some input from Nokia guys
[06:35] <agoliveira> bspencer: Cool.
[06:35] <Mithrandir> when can we expect to see the code pushed into launchpad?
[06:35] <bspencer> we exchanged an email with lucas about control panel
[06:35] <bspencer> Mithrandir, lets shoot for this time next week.
[06:35] <bspencer> we need a good control panel example applet
[06:35] <bspencer> because ours hangs :)
[06:36] <Mithrandir> even if it's not final, having something we can start packaging and which has roughly the correct shape is useful
[06:36] <bspencer> totally agree.
[06:36] <bspencer> control panel applet: we're following the old maemo 3.x guide, but with the new control panel refactored code, it hangs
[06:36] <bspencer> but we sent our sample on to lucas and will work to get that resolved
[06:37] <Mithrandir> ok, good
[06:37] <bspencer> Mithrandir, for UI, I wanted to get all the pieces working and push something up that worked, so it has been a bit slow.  But we are ready
[06:37] <Mithrandir> same goes for UI; even if it's not finished, having something we can start packaging is valuable.
[06:37] <bspencer> one note about UI:  it currently uses flash, so we require Adobe flash plugin
[06:37] <Mithrandir> can it use gnash?
[06:37] <bspencer> we will like to have non-flash alternatives in the future
[06:38] <bspencer> I tried one of the ubuntu flash packages, not sure if it is gnash I tried, but it didn't work
[06:38] <bspencer> our flash UI is v8+ I think
[06:38] <bspencer> gnash supports 4?
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[06:38] <agoliveira> And I think gnash don't support action scripts at all or at least very poorly.
[06:38] <Mithrandir> unsure, it should support 6 or 7 completely and bits of 8 and 9, I think.
[06:38] <bspencer> right.  I didn't have luck wit hthe free flash plugin
[06:39] <bspencer> btw, our flash UI is intended as a working example with much possibility for improvement :)
[06:39] <bspencer> it can set the expectations, and the pieces are in place for incremental improvement
[06:39] <Mithrandir> ok, cool
[06:40] <Mithrandir> we'd need to work out some way to get it usefully into the archive since we can't have the adobe flash player there for legal reasons.
[06:40] <Mithrandir> how is the browser coming along?
[06:40] <mauri_> agoliveira: I sent you a contact name in email
[06:40] <bspencer> on the flash -- what is the right approach?
[06:41] <agoliveira> mauri_: Thanks.
[06:41] <bspencer> Mithrandir, do you want to discuss what to do about the flash here, or later?
[06:42] <bspencer> browser:  I saw that asac had created a repository for his pull of the Mozilla tree
[06:42] <Mithrandir> later, on the list, I think.
[06:42] <bspencer> and made some changes, and added a "mid-browser" tag
[06:42] <bspencer> we also have a respository for browser, but are slow to open it
[06:42] <bspencer> hopefully in the next few days
[06:43] <Mithrandir> ok.
[06:43] <bspencer> then asac and I can sync on one location and make progress
[06:43] <bspencer> just trying to keep all the trains moving in the right direction.   Really appreciate asac's help here too.
[06:43] <Mithrandir> it's very important for us that we get access to the code you have so we can bring it out in the open and start integrating and debugging it.
[06:43] <Mithrandir> (both for browser and other projects)
[06:43] <bspencer> Mithrandir, yes, a very high priority for me
[06:43] <bspencer> we don't like the current process of Intle doing work that isn't visible
[06:44] <bspencer> but we will open up these repositories soon.
[06:44] <asac> bspencer: actually the midbrowser application switch was what we discussed on weekend ... isn't it?
[06:44] <bspencer> (for apps things, like project builder, browser, etc)
[06:44] <bspencer> asac, yes.
[06:44] <bspencer> asac, exactly that.
[06:45] <asac> bspencer: ok ... i am really open to host it anywhere ;) ... do you have patches? maybe send them to me so I can try to integrate them properly?
[06:45] <Mithrandir> asac: when can we have something in the archive?  Even if it's not different in significant ways from firefox at this stage?
[06:45] <bspencer> asac, ok.
[06:45] <asac> Mithrandir: we talked about this and thought that end off london sprint for initial upload would be good
[06:46] <asac> Mithrandir: actually the firefox package is really straight forward
[06:46] <Mithrandir> sounds good
[06:46] <asac> Mithrandir: just branch current bzr ... then switch to use midbrowser ... done
[06:46] <asac> of course rename package at al
[06:46] <asac> read like: its fail safe to maintain nowadays ;)
[06:47] <asac> bspencer: what about branding?
[06:47] <Mithrandir> asac: lots of things are "just" and fairly small, but they need to happen regardless, so if you could take the time at the sprint to make that happen, it would be good.
[06:47] <bspencer> asac, I call it "Mobile Internet Browser" as a place holder for a real name
[06:47] <bspencer> although perhaps "internet" is redundant
[06:47] <asac> and artwork? ... like a logo?
[06:48] <asac> or just go with "free" branding?
[06:48] <bspencer> asac, suggestions welcome.  We have a graphic artist here that can make something but picking a name is a headache
[06:49] <bspencer> but that should be done eventually.
[06:49] <Mithrandir> just call it mobile browser for now, then.
[06:49] <asac> ok ... for now i will use the free branding ... and call it mobile browser
[06:49] <Mithrandir> it's easy enough to change, right?
[06:49] <bspencer> I'd prefer to have a brand name on the browser as opposed to something that people call idfferent things
[06:49] <bspencer> but
[06:49] <asac> if you have a better logo ... just push it to me
[06:49] <bspencer> for now, "mobile browser" is good
[06:49] <bspencer> ok
[06:49] <asac> but please license it freely ;)
[06:50] <bspencer> absolutely
[06:50] <Mithrandir> ok, sounds like browser is moving in the right direction then.
[06:50] <asac> cool
[06:50] <asac> thanks ... i am out again, ok?
[06:50] <bspencer> thanks asac 
[06:51] <asac> bspencer: will you be in london on monday?
[06:51] <asac> or not at all?
[06:51] <bspencer> asac, no.  I will be there the latter part of the week
[06:51] <bspencer> mid-Wed through Friday
[06:51] <bspencer> and at GUADEC
[06:51] <bspencer> (Saturday too, if you are still around)
[06:51] <asac> ok ... then cu then ;).
[06:51] <bspencer> k
[06:51] <asac> i will fly at 1700
[06:51] <asac> on sat
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[06:51] <asac> before we can work or drink or whatever :)
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[06:52] <bspencer> uh oh, not mdz
[06:52] <mdz> ooga-booga
[06:52] <mdz> I did hope to join you for the start of the meeting, but it's chaos as usual over here
[06:52] <bspencer> we cancelled the project while you were gone
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[06:53] <Mithrandir> I actually think we're done now, unless anybody has any other business?
[06:53] <bspencer> about the sprint:  can someone forward me the details
[06:53] <mauri_> No, I do know that Rusty flies out on Saturday and Jacob is in the process of figuring out his visa (hopeful).
[06:53] <Mithrandir> bspencer: they were sent to the list, iirc
[06:53] <bspencer> address, time, etc.  (sorry, I can't find )
[06:54] <mauri_> bspencer: I'll forward it to you, I have it
[06:54] <bspencer> I'll recheck.   Thx mauri_ 
[06:54] <agoliveira> bspencer, just ping me if you need anything else.
[06:54] <bspencer> agoliveira, thanks
[06:54] <bspencer> agoliveira, you leave Sat?
[06:55] <Mithrandir> ok, anything more before we adjourn?
[06:55] <agoliveira> bspencer: I hope so.
[06:55] <Mithrandir> mdz: I'll give you an update post-meeting?
[06:55] <bspencer> nothing from my end.
[06:55] <bspencer> Mithrandir, sorry Rusty and Charlie were absent today
[06:55] <bspencer> kind of lame that I was so late too.
[06:55] <Mithrandir> bspencer: such things happen, let's try to make it better next time.
[06:55] <bspencer> next week a meeting, or canceled?
[06:55] <Mithrandir> I doubt we'll have an IRC meeting next week, since we'll all be face to face.
[06:56] <Mithrandir> but having status reports on all specs mailed to the list would be nice anyway.
[06:56] <mauri_> Mithrandir: I'll start tracking that from my end
[06:57] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[06:57] <Mithrandir> mauri_: and thanks for getting the devices ready to ship, I'm very much looking forward to having ubuntu mobile running on a real device
=== agoliveira nods
[06:57] <Mithrandir> seems like there's no other business, so adjourned.
[06:57] <Mithrandir> woo < 1 hour! :-)
[06:58] <agoliveira> Close  but < ;)
[06:58] <ian_brasil> any news about other contributers at the sprint
[06:58] <bspencer> there are benefits to no one coming to the mtg.
=== agoliveira runs for 5 minutes to grab a coffee
[06:59] <Mithrandir> mdz: can you answer ian_brasil's question?  He's based in london and would like to drop by to help on documentation.
[06:59] <ian_brasil> i am in London all week doing nothing just waiting for my visa 
[06:59] <mdz> Mithrandir: I don't understand the question
[06:59] <Mithrandir> (and he knows it's not a community event, so we're going to work, not write specs and what usually happens at UDS-es)
[06:59] <Mithrandir> mdz: he's asking if he can come to the sprint.
[06:59] <mdz> if the question is whether he's welcome to stop by, the answer is yes
[06:59] <mdz> bspencer: can you tell me how many people to expect from Intel? ball park?
[06:59] <Mithrandir> and if so, what he needs to do, as in, should he mail claire?
[07:00] <bspencer> mdz, 3-4
[07:00] <mdz> Mithrandir: yes, he should
[07:00] <mdz> bspencer: great, thanks.  claire will be relieved
[07:00] <Mithrandir> clan or cvd?
[07:00] <bspencer> bob, rusty, <charlie or equivalient>, maybe our build guy
[07:00] <ian_brasil> claire@ubuntu.com ??
[07:01] <mdz> bspencer: anyone who's coming Monday morning ought to have their name at the security desk in order to get into the building without a fuss
[07:01] <bspencer> ok.  I arrive Wednesday, but Rusty should be there Monday
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[07:03] <agoliveira> ian:  Claire Newman <claire.newman@canonical.com>   
[07:03] <ian_brasil> thx
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[08:24] <agoliveira> amitk: Can you confirm to me if the current UME kernel has support for ACPI 2.0?
[08:24] <agoliveira> rusty_: Rusty!
[08:25] <rusty_> morning
[08:25] <agoliveira> I was wondering if you would show up :) Have you seen my "small" email?
[08:25] <rusty_> agoliveira, i think ACPI 2.0 support has been around for a while
[08:25] <rusty_> yea, i was spending the 4th on the boat and drove back in this morning
[08:26] <agoliveira> rusty_: Yes but specificaly for Intel core? I mean, is there anything different on Melown that would prevent ACPI 2.0 to work?
[08:26] <rusty_> agoliveira, no, acpi is acpi
[08:27] <agoliveira> rusty_: Cool, just confirming.
[08:30] <agoliveira> rusty_: If you could take a look at that list, I will pay you a beer (not Budweiser! :) ).
[08:31] <rusty_> ok
[08:32] <agoliveira> Sorry but you know the joke about american beer to be like making love in a canoon, right? ;)
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