| haggai | manchicken: openoffice.org2 was an early 2.0 version that was installable in parallel to 1.x | 12:26 |
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| jhutchins_lt | Help! Dead bot in #kubuntu! | 12:36 |
| jhutchins_lt | !botsnack | 12:36 |
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| jjesse | evening | 03:06 |
| jjesse | slow night? or is everyone recovering from aKademy? | 03:21 |
| nixternal | they are still doin' the akademy thing | 04:01 |
| jjesse | oh yeah | 04:01 |
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| === jjesse is watching season 1 of transformers | ||
| nixternal | holy smokes | 04:03 |
| nixternal | were you even alive for the first season? | 04:04 |
| jjesse | yeah i was 1984 was the first season | 04:04 |
| nixternal | wow, I remember it too | 04:04 |
| nixternal | do you remember Go-Bots? | 04:04 |
| jjesse | of course, what about dinobots | 04:04 |
| nixternal | hahah ya | 04:05 |
| === jjesse is going to transformers tomorrow with work | ||
| nixternal | man, Go-Bots were the KMart Transformers | 04:05 |
| === claydoh played with a pre-cursor to transformers - micronauts and Shogun Warriors | ||
| nixternal | Shogun kicked arse! | 04:07 |
| jjesse | they shure did | 04:08 |
| jjesse | hold on rebooting into windows for a bit | 04:09 |
| claydoh | makes me feel old lol | 04:16 |
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| nixternal | kdelibs at 60% and rocking | 04:27 |
| jjesse | 60% what? | 04:27 |
| nixternal | at this speed, there should be some kde 4 alpha 2 lovin' within a day or so :) | 04:27 |
| jjesse | that's 60% of what? | 04:28 |
| nixternal | kdelibs depends grew since alpha 1 | 04:28 |
| nixternal | I am at 90% complete...complete that is | 04:28 |
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| === nixternal needs to find the kde 4 debian packaging image | ||
| DaSkreech | nixternal: ping | 04:32 |
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| nixternal | yo yo | 04:33 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee | 04:33 |
| jjesse | anyone ever wonder where the trailer for optimus prime comes from? | 04:33 |
| jjesse | its always just there when he transforms | 04:33 |
| jjesse | hello Hobbsee | 04:34 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: pong da pong pong pong | 04:34 |
| DaSkreech | Hobb! | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | hey nixternal! | 04:35 |
| DaSkreech | What do you call the thing you pull from a svn repo ? | 04:35 |
| DaSkreech | a svn .. something | 04:35 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: a branch? | 04:35 |
| nixternal | svn co | 04:35 |
| jjesse | checkout? | 04:35 |
| DaSkreech | checkout | 04:35 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 04:35 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: co works too | 04:35 |
| nixternal | less typing | 04:35 |
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| DaSkreech | Yeah that :) I've never referred to it as a checkout after it's actaully been checked out :) | 04:36 |
| DaSkreech | I juat always say I'm upped | 04:36 |
| nixternal | heh, got all the way down to dh_install just to bomb out on a usr/lib/kde4/bin that isn't there for kdepimlibs | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | hi jjesse, DaSkreech | 04:36 |
| DaSkreech | how are you? | 04:36 |
| nixternal | after you have it checked out, then you do 'svn up' | 04:36 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah I know but I use it as up to date with the repo which is far too long to be acronymed | 04:37 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: I just created a personal +junk branch that I am uploading 1-by-1 the debian/ directories for the kde 4 alpha 2 packages...is there a better way, or is that good? | 04:37 |
| nixternal | once I have it all built, I will upload to a server so we can review them | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: not sure waht the best way is. | 04:38 |
| nixternal | once I have it down, I was thinking of building a Kubuntu KDE 4 LiveCD eventually | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i dont suspect anyone else will want to touch tthem anyawy | 04:38 |
| nixternal | scaredy cats :) | 04:39 |
| jjesse | are we going to keep the [sudo] when you do a sudo on the console? | 04:39 |
| jjesse | that is [sudo] password for jonathan for example | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | i believe so | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: are you collaborating with debian on these? | 04:40 |
| nixternal | yup | 04:40 |
| nixternal | well, pulling bits and pieces from them | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 04:41 |
| nixternal | they put their packages right in the rest of /usr/lib, where we want to keep them seperated into /usr/lib/kde4/* | 04:41 |
| nixternal | actually, I am at the same spot as they are right now...kdepimlibs...I don't see any updates in debian svn for other kde 4 packages just yet | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh, right, yeah | 04:42 |
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| jjesse | anyone take any meeting minutes from the 4th? | 04:46 |
| nixternal | shh, I forgot to work on those | 04:47 |
| jjesse | was looking to see what i missed | 04:47 |
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| nixternal | same here :) | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: nixternal was voluntold | 04:47 |
| nixternal | I had no clue we had a meeting..and I was awake too | 04:47 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: however, if you can get jjesse to do them... | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | you lot dont read your email... | 04:47 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: but I tried to voluntell jucato | 04:47 |
| jjesse | :) | 04:47 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | and failed. | 04:48 |
| === DaSkreech throttles Vista | ||
| Hobbsee | nixternal: thought about going to boston, btw? | 04:48 |
| nixternal | of course | 04:49 |
| crimsun | you should. | 04:49 |
| jjesse | when is that again? i need to write up a business case | 04:49 |
| jjesse | so i can go | 04:49 |
| nixternal | dunno how that will hold with school though because of the dates just yet | 04:49 |
| nixternal | it is pretty much during my final semester | 04:49 |
| DaSkreech | hi crimsun | 04:50 |
| crimsun | hi. | 04:53 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: search on launchpad for sprints | 04:56 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Hobbsee will tell you it's no problem at all to go to UDS in the middle of a semster. | 04:56 |
| ScottK | Good morning Hobbsee | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | bah. rubbish i will | 04:56 |
| nixternal | ya, but when you are getting paid to go by the feds, it is :) | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: then it wont matter, because you'll only get the people pissed off once. | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | morning ScottK, i did kdepim :) | 04:57 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Make it research for your degree. | 04:57 |
| DaSkreech | Like trueg :0 | 04:57 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: I saw. Thanks. I'm pondering the least painful/lowest risk upgrade path for my laptop this evening. | 04:57 |
| nixternal | hehe, I think I have a field course too next semester | 04:57 |
| ScottK | There you go. | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: with the troubles with the installer... | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: well, a clean install will be cleaner, but the next tribe is in 2 weeks | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i'd probably just dist-upgrade at the moment | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | you can sort out any dependancy problesm | 04:58 |
| ScottK | That's my plan. My conern is conflicts with the Feisty KDE 3.5.7 packages. | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | shouldnt do | 04:59 |
| === ScottK is thinking he'll remove kubuntu-desktop and upgrade headless. | ||
| Hobbsee | there might be a couple of file overwrites, but that's fairly harmless | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | er, you want k-d | 04:59 |
| ScottK | The Gutsy KDE 3.5.7 packages all have higherr numbers? | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | they would now, yeah | 04:59 |
| === ScottK would reinstall it after they upgrade. | ||
| ScottK | OK. | 04:59 |
| ScottK | Maybe I'm over thinking it. | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:00 |
| Magnus-swe | Hobbsee: lol, gay fucker | 05:00 |
| Magnus-swe | Hobbsee: ubuntu would have been good wo you | 05:00 |
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| === Magnus-swe was kicked off #kubuntu-devel by Hobbsee (please leave.) | ||
| === ScottK has also been mangling gnupg stuff trying to the gpg.conf file. | ||
| DaSkreech | That was brilliant | 05:01 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Thanks. | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:01 |
| === Hobbsee is not gay, and does not fuck everyone she meets, so he is clearly on crack. | ||
| === ScottK notes he is an identified freenode user and imagines additional recourse might be available. | ||
| === ryanakca wonders | ||
| Hobbsee | ScottK: already speaking with the resident staffer... | 05:03 |
| ryanakca | hmm.. you working on GPG-agent + KMail ootb? | 05:03 |
| nixternal | wth | 05:03 |
| ScottK | OK. Just making sure you knew. Cool. | 05:03 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: should have told him "but Kubuntu is much better with me!" :) | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: heh | 05:05 |
| Tm_T | err | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: that was only because i banned him in #ubuntu | 05:05 |
| nixternal | haha, gay focker! god I love that movie | 05:05 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: you seem to collect fans, eh? | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: i do, i do. it's most unfortunate | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: that's what happens when you use ops on major channels | 05:07 |
| nixternal | unless of course they are the "money throwing" kind of fans | 05:07 |
| ryanakca | heh | 05:07 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: shame, eh | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: yeah, rather | 05:07 |
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| === ryanakca --> bed | ||
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| nixternal | any idea what the link is for the debian package hierarchy for kde 4? | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | for 4? no | 05:15 |
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| nixternal | http://www.kubuntu-art.org/ | 05:43 |
| nixternal | first I have ever seen that | 05:44 |
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| nixternal | jeesh, over an hour for kde4base...I didn't realize that it took that long | 06:59 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:00 |
| nixternal | I thought libs was worse, guess not | 07:02 |
| nixternal | wo0t..I have the main alpha 2 packages complete...now it is on to the quick and easy packages | 07:02 |
| nixternal | hrmm, maybe even a KOffice 2 package :) | 07:02 |
| ScottK | nixternal: You do the Tribe X release notes. right? | 07:03 |
| nixternal | yup | 07:04 |
| ScottK | OK. Unless I hit a brick wall on gnupg changes we should have GPG and S/MIME by default in Kmail for Tribe 3. I think it'll be worth a mention. | 07:05 |
| nixternal | hell ya, it will go at the top of the list! | 07:05 |
| nixternal | unless of course they release 3.5.8 by then :) | 07:05 |
| ScottK | Any ideas on the best pointy-clicky way to make a shiny new GPG key if you don't have one already. | 07:05 |
| nixternal | gpg --gen-key | 07:05 |
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| nixternal | there is some KDE GPG package, but I don't know what it is | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: way cool. will remember that, and poke people about it | 07:06 |
| nixternal | kgpg maybe | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | kgpg | 07:06 |
| ScottK | Does that actually work? | 07:06 |
| nixternal | woo, I remembered it | 07:06 |
| nixternal | ScottK: it was a headache for me when I last used it just over a year ago | 07:06 |
| === ScottK will put checking on my list. | ||
| === ScottK needs to get to bed, so good night everyone. | ||
| nixternal | g'nite | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | night! | 07:07 |
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| manchicken_ | Lots of parts in kde. | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | heh, yes | 07:58 |
| manchicken_ | nixternal: You ever get me my amd64 packages? :P | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | you could always just DoS the PPA's with them... | 07:58 |
| manchicken_ | I've got kdelibs, kdepimlibs, and kdebase built. I'm now building kdesdk. Next up is kdenetwork, followed by kdeartwork, kdeaccessibility, kdeadmin, kdeaddons, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdepim, kdeutils, kdetoys, kdeedu, and kdegames. | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | nice | 08:00 |
| Hobbsee | they ready to be dumped on kubuntu.org or something? | 08:00 |
| manchicken_ | I don't package :) | 08:01 |
| manchicken_ | I'm building from subversion. | 08:02 |
| Hobbsee | darn. | 08:02 |
| manchicken_ | And I don't know WHY I kept checking those out differently. | 08:02 |
| manchicken_ | I'm just gonna go ahead and check out the whole KDE tree :) | 08:02 |
| manchicken_ | There's no need to have them separate. | 08:02 |
| manchicken_ | Yeah, this checkout may take a while :) | 08:03 |
| manchicken_ | I may even get a nasty email from some KDE sysop... | 08:03 |
| manchicken_ | Hmm... | 08:03 |
| manchicken_ | There should be a CMakeFiles.txt in KDE that lets me just build the whole tree in one command :) | 08:06 |
| manchicken_ | I know it'd take a week, but that's okay. | 08:06 |
| manchicken_ | I'm a patient man :) | 08:06 |
| manchicken_ | I'm gonna go back to bed. Maybe when I wake up this checkout will be done :) | 08:08 |
| manchicken_ | Night. | 08:08 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: we can probably put mine up on k.o tomorrow/today | 08:18 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: cool :) | 08:19 |
| nixternal | they are gutsy packages though | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | even better | 08:19 |
| nixternal | a lot of new dependencies with alpha 2 since alpha 1 | 08:19 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: where's my large piece of concrete? | 08:29 |
| nixternal | over there -> | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | i think i need it. | 08:30 |
| nixternal | OK missy! stand back away from the computer | 08:30 |
| nixternal | keep your hands where I can see them | 08:30 |
| manchicken_ | No sleep for the manchicken. | 08:30 |
| nixternal | hehe | 08:30 |
| nixternal | you couldn't stay away | 08:31 |
| nixternal | as soon as multimedia finishes, I am going to crash | 08:31 |
| manchicken_ | It's not that, I just can't sleep. | 08:32 |
| manchicken | I'm not even tired. | 08:32 |
| manchicken | And the clock is laughing at me with its readout of 0133. | 08:33 |
| manchicken | So I'm going to work. | 08:33 |
| nixternal | hehe | 08:35 |
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| manchicken | My boss won't mind me working more. | 08:40 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 08:42 |
| Hobbsee | sounds good | 08:42 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: for i in annoying people; do hammer.splat($i); done | 08:42 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: for i in `annoying people`; | 08:43 |
| nixternal | ;p | 08:43 |
| Hobbsee | oh, soryr. | 08:43 |
| Hobbsee | my bash isnt brilliant | 08:43 |
| nixternal | seeing as annoying would be the command and people would be the flag of course | 08:43 |
| Hobbsee | yep, yep | 08:43 |
| nixternal | NOTE: libfam-dev, libpcre++-dev, libstreamanalyzer-dev, libbz2-dev are deps on all kde 4 alpha 2 pkgs I think | 08:45 |
| manchicken | what languate would that be in? :) | 08:47 |
| manchicken | language* | 08:47 |
| nixternal | english | 08:47 |
| manchicken | naw, Hobbsee's pseudo-code :) | 08:47 |
| nixternal | bash | 08:47 |
| manchicken | Ah, bash. | 08:47 |
| manchicken | Gotcha. | 08:47 |
| === manchicken is slow. | ||
| Hobbsee | manchicken: bash. | 08:47 |
| nixternal | hehe | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: i was thinking of c++, which id' be able to do more | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | actually, iirc, that should be legit code, if the rest was included | 08:48 |
| manchicken | I've got this database search caching algorithm in my head, and it just will not go away. | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | might be a mismash of c++ and bash, though | 08:48 |
| manchicken | Thus my inability to sleep. | 08:48 |
| manchicken | I wish there was a REAL free software SSH client for win32 that didn't suck like PuTTY. | 08:48 |
| nixternal | putty hasn't been developed in a long time I don't think | 08:49 |
| nixternal | at school, putty constantly disconnects | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | ti works fine at my uni | 08:49 |
| manchicken | And it's not lefty-friendly. | 08:49 |
| manchicken | I'm really excited about the new kate for KDE4. | 08:50 |
| manchicken | I've become a kate fanatic. | 08:50 |
| nixternal | hehe | 08:50 |
| nixternal | kate is definitely great | 08:50 |
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| crimsun | http://pastebin.ca/605480 | 08:54 |
| nixternal | hehe | 08:55 |
| manchicken | from Manchicken import PythonHatred | 08:58 |
| nixternal | Python isn't to shabby actually...it makes writing quick and simple qt apps | 08:58 |
| nixternal | ya, I foobarred that one | 08:58 |
| manchicken | Yup. | 08:59 |
| nixternal | ...it makes writing qt apps quick and simple | 08:59 |
| manchicken | If we had proper Perl bindings, Perl would be even better. | 08:59 |
| manchicken | Most people know how to program Perl, but don't even know it :) | 08:59 |
| nixternal | libpcre++-dev | 08:59 |
| manchicken | pcre is just a regex lib. | 09:00 |
| nixternal | true | 09:00 |
| nixternal | I just read something about new qt bindings coming along | 09:00 |
| nixternal | can't remember what all they were | 09:00 |
| nixternal | c# was one of them | 09:00 |
| manchicken | But thanks to those who make the bindings, we'll never have Perl bindings. | 09:00 |
| manchicken | I still don't understand why folks hate Perl so much. | 09:01 |
| nixternal | I haven't messed with Perl in a super long time | 09:01 |
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| manchicken | It's my bread and butter. | 09:02 |
| nixternal | ok, sleep time | 09:03 |
| nixternal | g'nite | 09:03 |
| manchicken | Nighty night. | 09:04 |
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| xerosis | morning | 10:15 |
| manchicken | Howdy. | 10:15 |
| Hobbsee | hiya xerosis | 10:16 |
| xerosis | are bugs for the module in systemsettings filed against systemsettings? | 10:16 |
| === xerosis has found the most annoying bug in the world | ||
| Hobbsee | against kde-systemsettings, iirc | 10:17 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: not against the underlying stuff? | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | the kcm modules/ probably in kdelibs or something. | 10:18 |
| xerosis | it's the weirdest bug, i have a macbook and everytime i restart even though mac modifiers is on, it swaps my ctrl and apple keys | 10:20 |
| xerosis | so i have to deselect then select | 10:20 |
| xerosis | /every/ reboot | 10:20 |
| Hobbsee | !chroot | 10:46 |
| ubotu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box | 10:46 |
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| Lure | Hobbsee: can you ack bug 124363 | 11:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124363 in libkdcraw "sync libkdcraw 0.1.1-2 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124363 | 11:13 |
| Lure | Riddell: you can try your new archive powers on bug 124363 | 11:14 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: he's still at akademy, iirc | 11:14 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: that is no excuse to work ;-) | 11:14 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: done | 11:15 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: do you need it done urgently? | 11:15 |
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| Lure | Hobbsee: no, just before next tribe would be nice (there will be sync request also for kipi and digikam) | 11:15 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 11:15 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: do them all, and request them together | 11:15 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: just doing it and testing builds... | 11:16 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 11:16 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: will ping you for further ack's as I proceed ;-) | 11:16 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 11:16 |
| Lure | we will anyway need libkdcraw through first as it also has NEW binary package (soname change) | 11:17 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 11:18 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: are you doing teh sync requests for the other two now? | 11:22 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: yes | 11:22 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: you can ack bug 124364 | 11:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124364 in kipi-plugins "sync kipi-plugins 0.1.4-1 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124364 | 11:22 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: they likely dont care, seeing as you're in ubuntu-dev, btw | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | done | 11:23 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: they care, as it is in main | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: they'd take my MOTU ack for some of the KDE main packages :) | 11:23 |
| Lure | I am just shortening the process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | dunno if i got special treatment or something though | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | i've got the feeling they go "oh, this is a regular kde contributor, he'll know what's going on, and he's a MOTU, so..." | 11:24 |
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| Hobbsee | Lure: synced | 11:31 |
| Hobbsee | (the first) | 11:32 |
| Hobbsee | pitti will do binary new later | 11:32 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: that was fast! | 11:32 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: digikam will be merge, will do it after lunch | 11:33 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: and it needs new libkdcraw anyhow | 11:33 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: contacts help :) | 11:34 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: ;-) | 11:34 |
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| manchicken | I hate it when apport throws errors for things I didn't even know where running. | 12:26 |
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| sahin_h | Is Gusty+1 will be the next LTS verion of Kubuntu? | 02:05 |
| sahin_h | I just read it on the following url: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/kde-4-kubuntu-systemsettings-vs-kcontrol/ | 02:06 |
| sahin_h | This is why I'm wondering. | 02:06 |
| ScottK | manchicken|away: About a good SSH client for windows: Install cygwin and just use SSH. | 02:07 |
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| Hobbsee | sahin_h: that's the plan, i believe | 02:31 |
| sahin_h | Hobbsee: The real reason why I ask: KDE4 | 02:32 |
| sahin_h | Today I just tested KDE4 Alpha 2 | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | kde4 will be in gutsy, but kde3 will be the default | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | that's the current plan | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | ohw is it? | 02:32 |
| sahin_h | I'm ipressed! | 02:32 |
| sahin_h | Yeah, there are bugs... but this is an alpha release. | 02:33 |
| sahin_h | I like the KDE4 dolphin. It's seems to me the kubuntu like system-settings will be replace kcontrol. | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 02:34 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: I looked at pinentry/gnupg-agent depends and I think they are reasonable as they are. | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | well, that's what they're talking about | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: cool | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: ok | 02:34 |
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| === ScottK ponders rejecting Bug #124398 with a comment that says, "Then don't do that." | ||
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124398 in kdebase "run as root crashed it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124398 | 02:44 |
| === Hobbsee looks | ||
| Hobbsee | was it root, or using kdesu? | 02:44 |
| ScottK | Dunno, just says root. I'd imagine if they knew enough to say kdesu, they'd have said so. | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i'd probably ask someone in kde upstream about whether that was a valid backtrace, actually | 02:45 |
| ScottK | OK. Is there a polite/standard way we do that? | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | not really | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | show htem the link - is this backtrace valid to you guys? | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | usually our backtraces arent | 02:48 |
| ScottK | Hmmm. | 02:49 |
| === ScottK wonders who knows enough about triaging KDE bugs to write a wiki page about it and goes to see if maybe they already did.... | ||
| === ScottK finds nothing. | ||
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Seems to me that KDE bugs are a broad enough catagory that such a page would be useful. Useful to me since I'm utterly unqualified to write it. Any thoughts on if that'd be worthwhile or who migh know enough to do it? | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | hmmmm | 02:53 |
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| Hobbsee | is that for "how to use bugzilla" or "how to triage kde bugs"? | 02:53 |
| ScottK | How to triage KDE bugs. | 02:54 |
| ScottK | For example, if most of our backtraces are invalid for KDE bugs, it doesn't seem to make sense to just flood their bugzilla with the stuff. | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | which is why we dont | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | the kcrash ones are, or were, due to lack of debug symbols | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | however, it looks like this lot of apport ones actually do have the debug symbols | 02:56 |
| ScottK | Right, but how is one to know that. The bugsquad how-to-triage page doesn't get into stuff like that. | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | i'd imagine pitti/riddell would know more about the kcrash/apport situation | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: the lack of question marks :P | 02:57 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 02:57 |
| ScottK | Thanks. Maybe I'll bug Riddell about it next week after he's back. | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | however, it looks like these new ones we coudl file upstream | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | as for how to triage kde bugs - id' expect them to have documentation on that | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | ie, upstream kde | 02:58 |
| === ScottK thinks about it. | ||
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| === Fenyx throws in http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad and http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/Guide and http://quality.kde.org/develop/howto/howtobugs.php | ||
| === ScottK pretends he didn't see that so he won't be tempted to start working on a Kubuntu HowToTriageKDE page. | ||
| === Fenyx is tempted to repost the links :) | ||
| === Fenyx is now known as Jucato | ||
| Hobbsee | hiya Jucato | 03:32 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee :) | 03:32 |
| === Jucato is in lurk mode while on "sabbatical" :P | ||
| Hobbsee | lol | 03:33 |
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| Jucato | you don't know how tempting it is to look into the channel and butt into conversations :P | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 03:34 |
| Jucato | specially when someone called you gay :P | 03:35 |
| === Jucato runs and hides from the pointy stick | ||
| === ScottK moves to the other side of the room. | ||
| Hobbsee | lol | 03:43 |
| === Hobbsee is very much straight | ||
| === Hobbsee attacks Jucato with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the sheer hell of doing so | ||
| Jucato | yeah you're straight as a stick :) | 03:44 |
| === Jucato runs again | ||
| Hobbsee | :P | 03:44 |
| === ScottK moves behind a heavy piece of furniture. | ||
| Hobbsee | ... | 03:44 |
| === Jucato makes a mental note to subscribe to bugs he's interested in or in bugs he wants to poke somebody about... | ||
| mhb | hey | 03:46 |
| xerosis | afternoon mhb | 03:46 |
| Jucato | anyone who's an expert on the kde debconf frontend, please try to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/108185 | 03:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 108185 in adept "Adept crashes if Java license agreement is not accepted" [Medium,Confirmed] | 03:47 |
| Jucato | is there a way to search in LP for bug comments you made? | 03:48 |
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| Jucato | yay! I found the one I commented on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/119243 :P | 03:51 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119243 in adept "adept manager & license agreement issue (dup-of: 108185)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 03:51 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 108185 in adept "Adept crashes if Java license agreement is not accepted" [Medium,Confirmed] | 03:51 |
| mhb | Jucato: I am able to search through comments | 03:52 |
| mhb | (at least my test with copying one random sentence in a comment and searching for it worked) | 03:52 |
| === Hobbsee squishes ScottK with the heavy piece of furniture | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: usually a good idea | 03:53 |
| mhb | good thing we're not using apport that much | 03:53 |
| === ScottK didn't know Hobbsee had such strength. Will remember once I heal. | ||
| Jucato | you don't know Hobbsee that much, then :) | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:55 |
| Jucato | ph34r Hobbsee! | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:55 |
| Jucato | equally ph34r nixternal as well... the Vista-wielding big man | 03:56 |
| Riddell | 14:52 < Bille_laptop> Riddell: shiny improvements to the offline mode in kde 3 it's in a branch in work/~wstephens | 03:56 |
| Riddell | Lure: ^^ | 03:56 |
| Lure | Riddell: yes, I have seen something regarding that, just was not sure if this is complete now or not | 03:57 |
| Lure | Riddell: I suspect it will land in SuSE | 03:57 |
| Riddell | yes | 03:57 |
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| nixternal | good morning my fellow KDE hackers | 04:29 |
| jjesse | good morning nixternal_vista | 04:29 |
| nixternal | blow it out your ear! | 04:29 |
| Jucato | good day nixternal_big_man_vista | 04:29 |
| jjesse | nixternal: having fun w/ asp.net | 04:30 |
| mhb | nixternal: bad channel, there's just few people pretending they are very important developers of a well-known distribution | 04:30 |
| nixternal | I wish you and computers nothing but a life filled with viruses, spyware, malware, and Steve Ballmer's recorded voice laughing at you evertime you start up your computer! | 04:30 |
| nixternal | it is impossible to have fun with ASP.NET | 04:31 |
| jjesse | "_ | 04:31 |
| jjesse | :) | 04:31 |
| === Jucato wonders at mhb's remark... | ||
| nixternal | any website that is put together by pointing and clicking, can't be good | 04:31 |
| === nixternal too | ||
| nixternal | Jucato: are you free for like the next hour? | 04:31 |
| nixternal | if so, I am voluntelling you about the minutes :) | 04:32 |
| Jucato | nixternal: I'm sort of on a self-imposed "sabbatical"... just couldn't resist to greet you :) | 04:32 |
| nixternal | hehe, I need to get the done | 04:32 |
| nixternal | s/the/them | 04:32 |
| Jucato | hm... iirc, I just voluntold you that the other day :) | 04:32 |
| nixternal | haha, ya, but that doesn't mean I can't do it either :) | 04:32 |
| Jucato | :) | 04:33 |
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| Lure | Hobbsee. Riddell, Tonio_: merge of digikam 0.9.2 ready for upload: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/ | 04:56 |
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| Hobbsee | Lure: thought about applying to be a part of the -uvf team? | 05:07 |
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| Lure | Hobbsee: ? | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: motu-uvf | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: we're almost up to featuer freeze again | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | (motu mailing list) | 05:39 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: will read ML later - just done with the workday | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | ah, cool | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | then you can celebrate that it's friday! | 05:39 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: what all is involved with the UVF team? | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9c768217b322f8567d24d91647eaf0a256a73046 | 05:41 |
| Hobbsee | i think | 05:41 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: yep, I might be interested, just not sure how much time I will have during this cycle | 05:45 |
| Hobbsee | you've got a few days to consider | 05:45 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: anyway, need to run home -> bbl | 05:46 |
| Hobbsee | enjoy your weekend :) | 05:47 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: and if you cannot sleep, you can do digikam upload ;-) | 05:47 |
| Hobbsee | oh i can sleep. real soon now. | 05:47 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: good night then and great weekend to you too! | 05:47 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:47 |
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| === Hobbsee had a few days off during the week | ||
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| === nixternal needs some op love...only a matter of time before GhoSt comes and spams here as well | ||
| gnomefreak | nixternal: he cant come in here | 07:25 |
| nixternal | he is klined now :) | 07:25 |
| gnomefreak | :0 | 07:25 |
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| ryanakca | hmm... is Gutsy sane enough for me to upgrade? | 08:01 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: I'd wait and make sure the libcurl mess is actually fully resolved. | 08:03 |
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| manchicken | Mmm... KDE4 is still building. | 08:19 |
| manchicken | I still don't understand why they don't have a CMakeFile.txt in the toplevel KDE directory for building the whole tree at once :) | 08:19 |
| manchicken | Wouldn't that make life so much easier? | 08:20 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: okies | 08:20 |
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| ryanakca | manchicken: *nod* that, and have a script that updates the whole install, instead of having to go threw each dir and snv up, building, etc | 08:22 |
| manchicken | ryanakca: You can check out the whole KDE tree. | 08:22 |
| manchicken | that's what I did :) | 08:22 |
| manchicken | Then I just cd KDE && svn up :) | 08:22 |
| ryanakca | ah, cool :) | 08:22 |
| manchicken | That's normal subversion functionality though. | 08:22 |
| manchicken | It's a rather large operation mind you, but the build script is the only thing that's really missing. | 08:23 |
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| fdoving | ryanakca: you can also do 'svn up *' to svn up all dirs inside KDE. | 09:18 |
| fdoving | i use a list of dirs, and a small script to compile in the correct order. | 09:19 |
| fdoving | the for loop: http://rafb.net/p/Eu7Okr25.html | 09:20 |
| fdoving | build.list is basically: http://rafb.net/p/gT9KIy46.html | 09:20 |
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| fdoving | you can always add svn up before cmakekde. | 09:21 |
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| kwwii | sebas: dude! | 09:32 |
| kwwii | sebas: stop pissing off the oxygen hackers - the two working on the style have now quit | 09:33 |
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| manchicken | Hmm... | 09:50 |
| manchicken | Anybody know what's up with this: X11_Xscreensaver_LIB (ADVANCED) | 09:50 |
| manchicken | cmake says I need to set it... but I am not quite sure what it's asking for. Do I just need to install an xscreensaver dev package? | 09:51 |
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| ryanakca | manchicken: that's in compiling what? | 10:02 |
| manchicken | kdenetwork on KDE4 | 10:02 |
| manchicken | Would that be something found in x11proto-scrnsaver-dev? | 10:03 |
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| manchicken | I've got some strange dependency issues. | 10:14 |
| manchicken | libcurl4-gnutls >= 7.16.2-1 is depended on by several packages, but is not installable... or so aptitude says. | 10:15 |
| === ryanakca back | ||
| ryanakca | manchicken: gutsy? | 10:16 |
| manchicken | yeah | 10:16 |
| ryanakca | 14:03:12 < ScottK> ryanakca: I'd wait and make sure the libcurl mess is actually fully resolved. | 10:16 |
| ryanakca | so, I guess it's a known problem | 10:17 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 10:18 |
| manchicken | gotcha. | 10:18 |
| ryanakca | hmmm... figure the screensaver issue? | 10:20 |
| manchicken | Nope. | 10:20 |
| manchicken | You got any ideas? | 10:21 |
| ryanakca | did you install all the dependencies from http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu ? | 10:21 |
| manchicken | Pretty sure. Let me double-check. | 10:22 |
| ScottK | manchicken: As I understand it, libcurl4-gnutls should be installable right now. | 10:22 |
| manchicken | ScottK: It's the dependency issues I'm having problems with. | 10:23 |
| ScottK | geser said he'd pop in and see if he could help you figure it out. | 10:23 |
| manchicken | It's holding back several packages due to an uninstallable version of that package. | 10:23 |
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| ScottK | Hi geser. | 10:24 |
| geser | Hi ScottK :) | 10:24 |
| ScottK | geser meet manchicken. manchicken meet geser. | 10:24 |
| manchicken | ryanakca: Yeah, I reran their deps fixer and it didn't do anything. | 10:24 |
| manchicken | geser: Howdy. | 10:24 |
| ryanakca | manchicken: try looking in $KDE_BUILD/KDE/kdebase/CMakeCache.txt ... a pile of X11 dirs/ressources are set there... (kinda like $PATH, I guess) | 10:25 |
| ScottK | geser was helping with fixing the libcurl excitement so I thought maybe he could help. | 10:25 |
| ScottK | with libcurl4-gnutls | 10:25 |
| ryanakca | (for the screensaver) | 10:25 |
| === manchicken pasties.... | ||
| manchicken | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28855/ | 10:27 |
| manchicken | There, have a pastie :) | 10:27 |
| manchicken | ryanakca: kdebase didn't find those libs either. | 10:28 |
| manchicken | X11_Xscreensaver_LIB:FILEPATH=X11_Xscreensaver_LIB-NOTFOUND | 10:29 |
| manchicken | That's interesting, too.. because isn't klock in kdebase/ | 10:29 |
| geser | OO.o still needs to be rebuild with libcurl3 so until then you can't upgrade libcurl3 | 10:29 |
| manchicken | geser: Gotcha. | 10:29 |
| manchicken | geser: It's not a huge deal. I just wanted to make sure it was a known issue. | 10:30 |
| geser | the others should be fixed already | 10:30 |
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| geser | It's known issue, if you want to know when OO.o gets rebuild you should ask its maintainer | 10:32 |
| geser | the OO.o build takes 12 hours so nobody want to upload it if not necessary | 10:32 |
| ryanakca | manchicken: dunno... | 10:32 |
| ryanakca | geser: ouch. 12 hours... you'd want to make sure you have it right beforehand :) (and I complain at an hour of building...) | 10:33 |
| axxo | thats one slow box | 10:40 |
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| geser | axxo: Build started on 2007-06-28 on rothera (i386) and finished on 2007-06-29 taking 12 hours see the log | 10:47 |
| geser | that's for i386 on the Ubuntu buildd | 10:47 |
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| mhb | Riddell: nice plasmoid | 10:55 |
| mhb | (the akademy one with your face on) | 10:56 |
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| mikkael | there is a problem with kubuntu-artwork-kbfx: the "skins" in that package doesnt work with the kbfx version that are in the repos | 10:57 |
| manchicken | ryanakca: This is a very irritating problem. | 11:02 |
| ryanakca | hmm... *wonders on encrypted file systems* | 11:02 |
| manchicken | ryanakca: Do you have this package built? | 11:02 |
| ryanakca | manchicken: KDE4? | 11:03 |
| manchicken | yeah | 11:03 |
| manchicken | Maybe if someone else could tell me what library I'm looking for that could help :) | 11:03 |
| ryanakca | nope.. I'm upgrading my current install... | 11:03 |
| ryanakca | are you updating the package for it? | 11:03 |
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| manchicken | That sucked. | 11:20 |
| manchicken | kwin just totally apespit on me. | 11:20 |
| manchicken | No fun. | 11:21 |
| manchicken | And apport wants to make a report for kopete crashing. | 11:21 |
| mhb | manchicken: kwin4? | 11:21 |
| manchicken | Naw, gutsy's default kwin | 11:21 |
| manchicken | Eh, I'm gonna take off though. | 11:22 |
| manchicken | I'm just bored out of my mind, and I can't think of anything else to work on. | 11:22 |
| manchicken | I was up until 0500 working this morning, and man have I gotten a crapload of work done. | 11:22 |
| manchicken | I think it's time for video games. | 11:23 |
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| mhb | hi _StefanS_ | 11:29 |
| mhb | how are you? | 11:29 |
| _StefanS_ | fine! | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | I'm just modding my new 5disk array with new pabst fans... sounds geeky, no ? :D | 11:31 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: I don't even know what "pabst" means, so yes, it does | 11:32 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: well thats just a manufacturer of silent fans ;) | 11:32 |
| _StefanS_ | anything happening? | 11:33 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: just played with qdbus, and I thought we could do some nice effect for Kubuntu KDE4 logout | 11:34 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: definitely.. although I think the standard one sort of resembles the current kde3 kubuntu logout though.. | 11:35 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: yeah | 11:35 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: but I mean after that | 11:35 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: there's not a good transition between the Kubuntu usplash and KDE logging out | 11:36 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: oh.. | 11:36 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: thats right | 11:36 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: but the logout should be a nice one, too :o) | 11:36 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: standard kde4 should introduce some fades, or other form of signaling a shutdown | 11:38 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: really? | 11:38 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: I agree the current one is quite a bit harsh | 11:38 |
| nixternal | _StefanS_: since when has pabst done silent fans? :) | 11:39 |
| nixternal | I used to have a 60x38 mm pabst delta that was as lound as a hair drier :) | 11:39 |
| _StefanS_ | nixternal: bah :P - who else do you recommend? | 11:39 |
| nixternal | who ever is the cheapest really :) | 11:39 |
| _StefanS_ | nixternal: well considering I putting in 19dba ones for the current 27-30dba really makes a difference | 11:40 |
| _StefanS_ | I/I'm | 11:40 |
| nixternal | oh wow | 11:40 |
| nixternal | that is nice | 11:40 |
| _StefanS_ | nixternal: the ones that came with the array was really loud.. ofcourse they worked, but I dont have a specific server room for that kinda noisy equipment :) | 11:41 |
| nixternal | I bought the Scythe fans from newegg...kind of pricy, but the dba to cfm is outstanding | 11:41 |
| _StefanS_ | nixternal: oh, I saw those before ordering the pabst ones, unfortunately I needed a 40x40x20 and they were extremely loud in the Scythe series | 11:42 |
| nixternal | ya, pabst is about the only ones I would do at that size truthfully | 11:43 |
| _StefanS_ | but I'll keep them in mind | 11:43 |
| _StefanS_ | damn taiwanese oem fans :D | 11:43 |
| nixternal | both of my main desktops are watercooled, so I use the Scythe 120mm fans on the radiators | 11:43 |
| _StefanS_ | ah nice.. most be really silent then | 11:43 |
| nixternal | not to shabby...my laptop is actually louder than both of them together I think | 11:43 |
| _StefanS_ | well I believe you, my laptop is also very loud | 11:44 |
| _StefanS_ | I have two mini-itx's, but there's not really an option for watercooling those AFAIK.. | 11:44 |
| nixternal | externally is your only options...however I thought the cpu doesn't use a heatsink, or uses a passive heatsink instead | 11:44 |
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| nixternal | hehe | 11:45 |
| nixternal | I have millions of case components...I used to write hardware reviews a few years back and have collected a ton of them in the process | 11:45 |
| _StefanS_ | nixternal: I actually bought a really nice cabinet called Psile, that allows me to run the cpu+nb passive with a 80mm blowing air across them | 11:45 |
| nixternal | I want to do an itx setup for a myth box...my buddy has a really nice setup that works great | 11:46 |
| _StefanS_ | nixternal: nice :) - I had to buy all sorts of different pieces for the dissections :) | 11:46 |
| _StefanS_ | nixternal: what kind of board/cpu does he have? | 11:46 |
| nixternal | plus I am lucky, if I don't have it, I have a frys electronics 10 minutes from the house | 11:46 |
| nixternal | I think he has the one from newegg...I am not really sure though | 11:47 |
| nixternal | he also builds itx server farms for small companies...very cheap, runs slackware | 11:47 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm ok, just pay attention to getting a board that supports speedstep properly if you intend to use a core duo (2) | 11:48 |
| nixternal | hrmm..I will have to check it out..I haven't researched it much | 11:49 |
| _StefanS_ | nixternal: yep, always a good thing to do that | 11:50 |
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