[12:26] <haggai> manchicken: openoffice.org2 was an early 2.0 version that was installable in parallel to 1.x
[12:36] <jhutchins_lt> Help!  Dead bot in #kubuntu!
[12:36] <jhutchins_lt> !botsnack
[12:37] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:38] <jhutchins_lt> Ah, he's back!  Thanks if somebody fixed him.
[03:06] <jjesse> evening
[03:21] <jjesse> slow night? or is everyone recovering from aKademy?
[04:01] <nixternal> they are still doin' the akademy thing
[04:01] <jjesse> oh yeah
[04:03] <nixternal> holy smokes
[04:04] <nixternal> were you even alive for the first season?
[04:04] <jjesse> yeah i was 1984 was the first season
[04:04] <nixternal> wow, I remember it too
[04:04] <nixternal> do you remember Go-Bots?
[04:04] <jjesse> of course, what about dinobots
[04:05] <nixternal> hahah ya
[04:05] <nixternal> man, Go-Bots were the KMart Transformers
[04:07] <nixternal> Shogun kicked arse!
[04:08] <jjesse> they shure did
[04:09] <jjesse> hold on rebooting into windows for a bit
[04:16] <claydoh> makes me feel old lol
[04:27] <nixternal> kdelibs at 60% and rocking
[04:27] <jjesse> 60% what?
[04:27] <nixternal> at this speed, there should be some kde 4 alpha 2 lovin' within a day or so :)
[04:28] <jjesse> that's 60% of what?
[04:28] <nixternal> kdelibs depends grew since alpha 1
[04:28] <nixternal> I am at 90% complete...complete that is
[04:32] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[04:33] <nixternal> yo yo
[04:33] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[04:33] <jjesse> anyone ever wonder where the trailer for optimus prime comes from?
[04:33] <jjesse> its always just there when he transforms
[04:34] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[04:34] <nixternal> DaSkreech: pong da pong pong pong
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Hobb!
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[04:35] <DaSkreech> What do you call the thing you pull from a svn repo ?
[04:35] <DaSkreech> a svn .. something
[04:35] <nixternal> DaSkreech: a branch?
[04:35] <nixternal> svn co
[04:35] <jjesse> checkout?
[04:35] <DaSkreech> checkout
[04:35] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:35] <nixternal> DaSkreech: co works too
[04:35] <nixternal> less typing
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Yeah that  :) I've never referred to it as a checkout after it's actaully been checked out :)
[04:36] <DaSkreech> I juat always say I'm upped
[04:36] <nixternal> heh, got all the way down to dh_install just to bomb out on a usr/lib/kde4/bin that isn't there for kdepimlibs
[04:36] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse, DaSkreech
[04:36] <DaSkreech> how are you?
[04:36] <nixternal> after you have it checked out, then you do 'svn up'
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know but I use it as up to date with the repo which is far too long to be acronymed
[04:37] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I just created a personal +junk branch that I am uploading 1-by-1 the debian/ directories for the kde 4 alpha 2 packages...is there a better way, or is that good?
[04:37] <nixternal> once I have it all built, I will upload to a server so we can review them
[04:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: not sure waht the best way is.
[04:38] <nixternal> once I have it down, I was thinking of building a Kubuntu KDE 4 LiveCD eventually
[04:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i dont suspect anyone else will want to touch tthem anyawy
[04:39] <nixternal> scaredy cats :)
[04:39] <jjesse> are we going to keep the [sudo]  when you do a sudo on the console?
[04:40] <jjesse> that is [sudo]  password for jonathan for example
[04:40] <Hobbsee> i believe so
[04:40] <Hobbsee> nixternal: are you collaborating with debian on these?
[04:40] <nixternal> yup
[04:40] <nixternal> well, pulling bits and pieces from them
[04:41] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:41] <nixternal> they put their packages right in the rest of /usr/lib, where we want to keep them seperated into /usr/lib/kde4/*
[04:42] <nixternal> actually, I am at the same spot as they are right now...kdepimlibs...I don't see any updates in debian svn for other kde 4 packages just yet
[04:42] <Hobbsee> ahhh, right, yeah
[04:46] <jjesse> anyone take any meeting minutes from the 4th?
[04:47] <nixternal> shh, I forgot to work on those
[04:47] <jjesse> was looking to see what i missed
[04:47] <nixternal> same here :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> jjesse: nixternal was voluntold
[04:47] <nixternal> I had no clue we had a meeting..and I was awake too
[04:47] <nixternal> hehe
[04:47] <Hobbsee> nixternal: however, if you can get jjesse to do them...
[04:47] <Hobbsee> you lot dont read your email...
[04:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: but I tried to voluntell jucato
[04:47] <jjesse> :)
[04:47] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:48] <Hobbsee> and failed.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: thought about going to boston, btw?
[04:49] <nixternal> of course
[04:49] <crimsun> you should.
[04:49] <jjesse> when is that again?  i need to write up a business case
[04:49] <jjesse> so i can go
[04:49] <nixternal> dunno how that will hold with school though because of the dates just yet
[04:49] <nixternal> it is pretty much during my final semester
[04:50] <DaSkreech> hi crimsun
[04:53] <crimsun> hi.
[04:55] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> jjesse: search on launchpad for sprints
[04:56] <ScottK> nixternal: Hobbsee will tell you it's no problem at all to go to UDS in the middle of a semster.
[04:56] <ScottK> Good morning Hobbsee
[04:56] <Hobbsee> bah.  rubbish i will
[04:57] <nixternal> ya, but when you are getting paid to go by the feds, it is :)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal: then it wont matter, because you'll only get the people pissed off once.
[04:57] <Hobbsee> morning ScottK, i did kdepim :)
[04:57] <ScottK> nixternal: Make it research for your degree.
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Like trueg :0
[04:57] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I saw.  Thanks.  I'm pondering the least painful/lowest risk upgrade path for my laptop this evening.
[04:57] <nixternal> hehe, I think I have a field course too next semester
[04:58] <ScottK> There you go.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> ScottK: with the troubles with the installer...
[04:58] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well, a clean install will be cleaner, but the next tribe is in 2 weeks
[04:58] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i'd probably just dist-upgrade at the moment
[04:58] <Hobbsee> you can sort out any dependancy problesm
[04:58] <ScottK> That's my plan.  My conern is conflicts with the Feisty KDE 3.5.7 packages.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> shouldnt do
[04:59] <Hobbsee> there might be a couple of file overwrites, but that's fairly harmless
[04:59] <Hobbsee> er, you want k-d
[04:59] <ScottK> The Gutsy KDE 3.5.7 packages all have higherr numbers?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> they would now, yeah
[04:59] <ScottK> OK.
[04:59] <ScottK> Maybe I'm over thinking it.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:00] <Magnus-swe> Hobbsee: lol, gay fucker
[05:00] <Magnus-swe> Hobbsee: ubuntu would have been good wo you
[05:01] <DaSkreech> That was brilliant
[05:01] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> ScottK: already speaking with the resident staffer...
[05:03] <ryanakca> hmm.. you working on GPG-agent + KMail ootb?
[05:03] <nixternal> wth
[05:03] <ScottK> OK.  Just making sure you knew.  Cool.
[05:05] <nixternal> Hobbsee: should have told him "but Kubuntu is much better with me!" :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh
[05:05] <Tm_T> err
[05:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that was only because i banned him in #ubuntu
[05:05] <nixternal> haha, gay focker! god I love that movie
[05:06] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: you seem to collect fans, eh?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i do, i do.  it's most unfortunate
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: that's what happens when you use ops on major channels
[05:07] <nixternal> unless of course they are the "money throwing" kind of fans
[05:07] <ryanakca> heh
[05:07] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: shame, eh
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yeah, rather
[05:14] <nixternal> any idea what the link is for the debian package hierarchy for kde 4?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> for 4?  no
[05:43] <nixternal> http://www.kubuntu-art.org/
[05:44] <nixternal> first I have ever seen that
[06:59] <nixternal> jeesh, over an hour for kde4base...I didn't realize that it took that long
[07:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:02] <nixternal> I thought libs was worse, guess not
[07:02] <nixternal> wo0t..I have the main alpha 2 packages complete...now it is on to the quick and easy packages
[07:02] <nixternal> hrmm, maybe even a KOffice 2 package :)
[07:03] <ScottK> nixternal: You do the Tribe X release notes. right?
[07:04] <nixternal> yup
[07:05] <ScottK> OK.  Unless I hit a brick wall on gnupg changes we should have GPG and S/MIME by default in Kmail for Tribe 3. I think it'll be worth a mention.
[07:05] <nixternal> hell ya, it will go at the top of the list!
[07:05] <nixternal> unless of course they release 3.5.8 by then :)
[07:05] <ScottK> Any ideas on the best pointy-clicky way to make a shiny new GPG key if you don't have one already.
[07:05] <nixternal> gpg --gen-key
[07:06] <nixternal> there is some KDE GPG package, but I don't know what it is
[07:06] <Hobbsee> ScottK: way cool.  will remember that, and poke people about it
[07:06] <nixternal> kgpg maybe
[07:06] <Hobbsee> kgpg
[07:06] <ScottK> Does that actually work?
[07:06] <nixternal> woo, I remembered it
[07:06] <nixternal> ScottK: it was a headache for me when I last used it just over a year ago
[07:07] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:07] <Hobbsee> night!
[07:58] <manchicken_> Lots of parts in kde.
[07:58] <Hobbsee> heh, yes
[07:58] <manchicken_> nixternal: You ever get me my amd64 packages? :P
[07:58] <Hobbsee> you could always just DoS the PPA's with them...
[07:59] <manchicken_> I've got kdelibs, kdepimlibs, and kdebase built.  I'm now building kdesdk.  Next up is kdenetwork, followed by kdeartwork, kdeaccessibility, kdeadmin, kdeaddons, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdepim, kdeutils, kdetoys, kdeedu, and kdegames.
[08:00] <Hobbsee> nice
[08:00] <Hobbsee> they ready to be dumped on kubuntu.org or something?
[08:01] <manchicken_> I don't package :)
[08:02] <manchicken_> I'm building from subversion.
[08:02] <Hobbsee> darn.
[08:02] <manchicken_> And I don't know WHY I kept checking those out differently.
[08:02] <manchicken_> I'm just gonna go ahead and check out the whole KDE tree :)
[08:02] <manchicken_> There's no need to have them separate.
[08:03] <manchicken_> Yeah, this checkout may take a while :)
[08:03] <manchicken_> I may even get a nasty email from some KDE sysop...
[08:03] <manchicken_> Hmm...
[08:06] <manchicken_> There should be a CMakeFiles.txt in KDE that lets me just build the whole tree in one command :)
[08:06] <manchicken_> I know it'd take a week, but that's okay.
[08:06] <manchicken_> I'm a patient man :)
[08:08] <manchicken_> I'm gonna go back to bed.  Maybe when I wake up this checkout will be done :)
[08:08] <manchicken_> Night.
[08:18] <nixternal> Hobbsee: we can probably put mine up on k.o tomorrow/today
[08:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: cool :)
[08:19] <nixternal> they are gutsy packages though
[08:19] <Hobbsee> even better
[08:19] <nixternal> a lot of new dependencies with alpha 2 since alpha 1
[08:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: where's my large piece of concrete?
[08:29] <nixternal> over there ->
[08:30] <Hobbsee> i think i need it.
[08:30] <nixternal> OK missy! stand back away from the computer
[08:30] <nixternal> keep your hands where I can see them
[08:30] <manchicken_> No sleep for the manchicken.
[08:30] <nixternal> hehe
[08:31] <nixternal> you couldn't stay away
[08:31] <nixternal> as soon as multimedia finishes, I am going to crash
[08:32] <manchicken_> It's not that, I just can't sleep.
[08:32] <manchicken> I'm not even tired.
[08:33] <manchicken> And the clock is laughing at me with its readout of 0133.
[08:33] <manchicken> So I'm going to work.
[08:35] <nixternal> hehe
[08:40] <manchicken> My boss won't mind me working more.
[08:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:42] <Hobbsee> sounds good
[08:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: for i in annoying people; do hammer.splat($i); done
[08:43] <nixternal> Hobbsee: for i in `annoying people`;
[08:43] <nixternal> ;p
[08:43] <Hobbsee> oh, soryr.
[08:43] <Hobbsee> my bash isnt brilliant
[08:43] <nixternal> seeing as annoying would be the command and people would be the flag of course
[08:43] <Hobbsee> yep, yep
[08:45] <nixternal> NOTE: libfam-dev, libpcre++-dev, libstreamanalyzer-dev, libbz2-dev are deps on all kde 4 alpha 2 pkgs I think
[08:47] <manchicken> what languate would that be in? :)
[08:47] <manchicken> language*
[08:47] <nixternal> english
[08:47] <manchicken> naw, Hobbsee's pseudo-code :)
[08:47] <nixternal> bash
[08:47] <manchicken> Ah, bash.
[08:47] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> manchicken: bash.
[08:47] <nixternal> hehe
[08:47] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i was thinking of c++, which id' be able to do more
[08:48] <Hobbsee> actually, iirc, that should be legit code, if the rest was included
[08:48] <manchicken> I've got this database search caching algorithm in my head, and it just will not go away.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> might be a mismash of c++ and bash, though
[08:48] <manchicken> Thus my inability to sleep.
[08:48] <manchicken> I wish there was a REAL free software SSH client for win32 that didn't suck like PuTTY.
[08:49] <nixternal> putty hasn't been developed in a long time I don't think
[08:49] <nixternal> at school, putty constantly disconnects
[08:49] <Hobbsee> ti works fine at my uni
[08:49] <manchicken> And it's not lefty-friendly.
[08:50] <manchicken> I'm really excited about the new kate for KDE4.
[08:50] <manchicken> I've become a kate fanatic.
[08:50] <nixternal> hehe
[08:50] <nixternal> kate is definitely great
[08:54] <crimsun> http://pastebin.ca/605480
[08:55] <nixternal> hehe
[08:58] <manchicken> from Manchicken import PythonHatred
[08:58] <nixternal> Python isn't to shabby actually...it makes writing quick and simple qt apps
[08:58] <nixternal> ya, I foobarred that one
[08:59] <manchicken> Yup.
[08:59] <nixternal> ...it makes writing qt apps quick and simple
[08:59] <manchicken> If we had proper Perl bindings, Perl would be even better.
[08:59] <manchicken> Most people know how to program Perl, but don't even know it :)
[08:59] <nixternal> libpcre++-dev
[09:00] <manchicken> pcre is just a regex lib.
[09:00] <nixternal> true
[09:00] <nixternal> I just read something about new qt bindings coming along
[09:00] <nixternal> can't remember what all they were
[09:00] <nixternal> c# was one of them
[09:00] <manchicken> But thanks to those who make the bindings, we'll never have Perl bindings.
[09:01] <manchicken> I still don't understand why folks hate Perl so much.
[09:01] <nixternal> I haven't messed with Perl in a super long time
[09:02] <manchicken> It's my bread and butter.
[09:03] <nixternal> ok, sleep time
[09:03] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:04] <manchicken> Nighty night.
[10:15] <xerosis> morning
[10:15] <manchicken> Howdy.
[10:16] <Hobbsee> hiya xerosis
[10:16] <xerosis> are bugs for the module in systemsettings filed against systemsettings?
[10:17] <Hobbsee> against kde-systemsettings, iirc
[10:17] <xerosis> Hobbsee: not against the underlying stuff?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> the kcm modules/  probably in kdelibs or something.
[10:20] <xerosis> it's the weirdest bug, i have a macbook and everytime i restart even though mac modifiers is on, it swaps my ctrl and apple keys
[10:20] <xerosis> so i have to deselect then select
[10:20] <xerosis> /every/ reboot
[10:46] <Hobbsee> !chroot
[10:46] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[11:13] <Lure> Hobbsee: can you ack bug 124363
[11:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124363 in libkdcraw "sync libkdcraw 0.1.1-2 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124363
[11:14] <Lure> Riddell: you can try your new archive powers on bug 124363
[11:14] <Hobbsee> Lure: he's still at akademy, iirc
[11:14] <Lure> Hobbsee: that is no excuse to work ;-)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: done
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: do you need it done urgently?
[11:15] <Lure> Hobbsee: no, just before next tribe would be nice (there will be sync request also for kipi and digikam)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> ah right
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: do them all, and request them together
[11:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: just doing it and testing builds...
[11:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: will ping you for further ack's as I proceed ;-)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:17] <Lure> we will anyway need libkdcraw through first as it also has NEW binary package (soname change)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> ahh
[11:22] <Hobbsee> Lure: are you doing teh sync requests for the other two now?
[11:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes
[11:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: you can ack bug 124364
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124364 in kipi-plugins "sync kipi-plugins 0.1.4-1 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124364
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: they likely dont care, seeing as you're in ubuntu-dev, btw
[11:23] <Hobbsee> done
[11:23] <Lure> Hobbsee: they care, as it is in main
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: they'd take my MOTU ack for some of the KDE main packages :)
[11:24] <Lure> I am just shortening the process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[11:24] <Hobbsee> dunno if i got special treatment or something though
[11:24] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:24] <Hobbsee> i've got the feeling they go "oh, this is a regular kde contributor, he'll know what's going on, and he's a MOTU, so..."
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Lure: synced
[11:32] <Hobbsee> (the first)
[11:32] <Hobbsee> pitti will do binary new later
[11:32] <Lure> Hobbsee: that was fast!
[11:33] <Lure> Hobbsee: digikam will be merge, will do it after lunch
[11:33] <Lure> Hobbsee: and it needs new libkdcraw anyhow
[11:34] <Hobbsee> Lure: contacts help :)
[11:34] <Lure> Hobbsee: ;-)
[12:26] <manchicken> I hate it when apport throws errors for things I didn't even know where running.
[02:05] <sahin_h> Is Gusty+1 will be the next LTS verion of Kubuntu?
[02:06] <sahin_h> I just read it on the following url: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/kde-4-kubuntu-systemsettings-vs-kcontrol/
[02:06] <sahin_h> This is why I'm wondering.
[02:07] <ScottK> manchicken|away: About a good SSH client for windows: Install cygwin and just use SSH.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: that's the plan, i believe
[02:32] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: The real reason why I ask: KDE4
[02:32] <sahin_h> Today I just tested KDE4 Alpha 2
[02:32] <Hobbsee> kde4 will be in gutsy, but kde3 will be the default
[02:32] <Hobbsee> that's the current plan
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ohw is it?
[02:32] <sahin_h> I'm ipressed!
[02:33] <sahin_h> Yeah, there are bugs... but this is an alpha release.
[02:34] <sahin_h> I like the KDE4 dolphin. It's seems to me the kubuntu like system-settings will be replace kcontrol.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:34] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I looked at pinentry/gnupg-agent depends and I think they are reasonable as they are.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> well, that's what they're talking about
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ScottK: cool
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ok
[02:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124398 in kdebase "run as root crashed it" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124398
[02:44] <Hobbsee> was it root, or using kdesu?
[02:45] <ScottK> Dunno, just says root.  I'd imagine if they knew enough to say kdesu, they'd have said so.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i'd probably ask someone in kde upstream about whether that was a valid backtrace, actually
[02:48] <ScottK> OK.  Is there a polite/standard way we do that?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> not really
[02:48] <Hobbsee> show htem the link - is this backtrace valid to you guys?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> usually our backtraces arent
[02:49] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[02:52] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Seems to me that KDE bugs are a broad enough catagory that such a page would be useful.  Useful to me since I'm utterly unqualified to write it.  Any thoughts on if that'd be worthwhile or who migh know enough to do it?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hmmmm
[02:53] <Hobbsee> is that for "how to use bugzilla" or "how to triage kde bugs"?
[02:54] <ScottK> How to triage KDE bugs.
[02:55] <ScottK> For example, if most of our backtraces are invalid for KDE bugs, it doesn't seem to make sense to just flood their bugzilla with the stuff.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> which is why we dont
[02:56] <Hobbsee> the kcrash ones are, or were, due to lack of debug symbols
[02:56] <Hobbsee> however, it looks like this lot of apport ones actually do have the debug symbols
[02:56] <ScottK> Right, but how is one to know that.  The bugsquad how-to-triage page doesn't get into stuff like that.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i'd imagine pitti/riddell would know more about the kcrash/apport situation
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ScottK: the lack of question marks :P
[02:57] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:57] <ScottK> Thanks.  Maybe I'll bug Riddell about it next week after he's back.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> however, it looks like these new ones we coudl file upstream
[02:58] <Hobbsee> as for how to triage kde bugs - id' expect them to have documentation on that
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ie, upstream kde
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato
[03:32] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:33] <Jucato> you don't know how tempting it is to look into the channel and butt into conversations :P
[03:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:35] <Jucato> specially when someone called you gay :P
[03:43] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:44] <Jucato> yeah you're straight as a stick :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ...
[03:46] <mhb> hey
[03:46] <xerosis> afternoon mhb
[03:47] <Jucato> anyone who's an expert on the kde debconf frontend, please try to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/108185
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108185 in adept "Adept crashes if Java license agreement is not accepted" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:48] <Jucato> is there a way to search in LP for bug comments you made?
[03:51] <Jucato> yay! I found the one I commented on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/119243 :P
[03:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119243 in adept "adept manager & license agreement issue (dup-of: 108185)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108185 in adept "Adept crashes if Java license agreement is not accepted" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:52] <mhb> Jucato: I am able to search through comments
[03:52] <mhb> (at least my test with copying one random sentence in a comment and searching for it worked)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Jucato: usually a good idea
[03:53] <mhb> good thing we're not using apport that much
[03:55] <Jucato> you don't know Hobbsee that much, then :)
[03:55] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:55] <Jucato> ph34r Hobbsee!
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:56] <Jucato> equally ph34r nixternal as well... the Vista-wielding big man
[03:56] <Riddell> 14:52 < Bille_laptop> Riddell: shiny improvements to the offline mode in kde 3 it's in a branch in work/~wstephens
[03:56] <Riddell> Lure: ^^
[03:57] <Lure> Riddell: yes, I have seen something regarding that, just was not sure if this is complete now or not
[03:57] <Lure> Riddell: I suspect it will land in SuSE
[03:57] <Riddell> yes
[04:29] <nixternal> good morning my fellow KDE hackers
[04:29] <jjesse> good morning nixternal_vista
[04:29] <nixternal> blow it out your ear!
[04:29] <Jucato> good day nixternal_big_man_vista
[04:30] <jjesse> nixternal: having fun w/ asp.net
[04:30] <mhb> nixternal: bad channel, there's just few people pretending they are very important developers of a well-known distribution
[04:30] <nixternal> I wish you and computers nothing but a life filled with viruses, spyware, malware, and Steve Ballmer's recorded voice laughing at you evertime you start up your computer!
[04:31] <nixternal> it is impossible to have fun with ASP.NET
[04:31] <jjesse> "_
[04:31] <jjesse> :)
[04:31] <nixternal> any website that is put together by pointing and clicking, can't be good
[04:31] <nixternal> Jucato: are you free for like the next hour?
[04:32] <nixternal> if so, I am voluntelling you about the minutes :)
[04:32] <Jucato> nixternal: I'm sort of on a self-imposed "sabbatical"... just couldn't resist to greet you :)
[04:32] <nixternal> hehe, I need to get the done
[04:32] <nixternal> s/the/them
[04:32] <Jucato> hm... iirc, I just voluntold you that the other day :)
[04:32] <nixternal> haha, ya, but that doesn't mean I can't do it either :)
[04:33] <Jucato> :)
[04:56] <Lure> Hobbsee. Riddell, Tonio_: merge of digikam 0.9.2 ready for upload: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Lure: thought about applying to be a part of the -uvf team?
[05:39] <Lure> Hobbsee: ?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Lure: motu-uvf
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Lure: we're almost up to featuer freeze again
[05:39] <Hobbsee> (motu mailing list)
[05:39] <Lure> Hobbsee: will read ML later - just done with the workday
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ah, cool
[05:39] <Hobbsee> then you can celebrate that it's friday!
[05:40] <nixternal> Hobbsee: what all is involved with the UVF team?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9c768217b322f8567d24d91647eaf0a256a73046
[05:41] <Hobbsee> i think
[05:45] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, I might be interested, just not sure how much time I will have during this cycle
[05:45] <Hobbsee> you've got a few days to consider
[05:46] <Lure> Hobbsee: anyway, need to run home -> bbl
[05:47] <Hobbsee> enjoy your weekend :)
[05:47] <Lure> Hobbsee: and if you cannot sleep, you can do digikam upload ;-)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> oh i can sleep.  real soon now.
[05:47] <Lure> Hobbsee: good night then and great weekend to you too!
[05:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:25] <gnomefreak> nixternal: he cant come in here
[07:25] <nixternal> he is klined now :)
[07:25] <gnomefreak> :0
[08:01] <ryanakca> hmm... is Gutsy sane enough for me to upgrade?
[08:03] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'd wait and make sure the libcurl mess is actually fully resolved.
[08:19] <manchicken> Mmm... KDE4 is still building.
[08:19] <manchicken> I still don't understand why they don't have a CMakeFile.txt in the toplevel KDE directory for building the whole tree at once :)
[08:20] <manchicken> Wouldn't that make life so much easier?
[08:20] <ryanakca> ScottK: okies
[08:22] <ryanakca> manchicken: *nod* that, and have a script that updates the whole install, instead of having to go threw each dir and snv up, building, etc
[08:22] <manchicken> ryanakca: You can check out the whole KDE tree.
[08:22] <manchicken> that's what I did :)
[08:22] <manchicken> Then I just cd KDE && svn up :)
[08:22] <ryanakca> ah, cool :)
[08:22] <manchicken> That's normal subversion functionality though.
[08:23] <manchicken> It's a rather large operation mind you, but the build script is the only thing that's really missing.
[09:18] <fdoving> ryanakca: you can also do 'svn up *' to svn up all dirs inside KDE.
[09:19] <fdoving> i use a list of dirs, and a small script to compile in the correct order.
[09:20] <fdoving> the for loop: http://rafb.net/p/Eu7Okr25.html
[09:20] <fdoving> build.list is basically: http://rafb.net/p/gT9KIy46.html
[09:21] <fdoving> you can always add svn up before cmakekde.
[09:32] <kwwii> sebas: dude!
[09:33] <kwwii> sebas: stop pissing off the oxygen hackers - the two working on the style have now quit
[09:50] <manchicken> Hmm...
[09:50] <manchicken> Anybody know what's up with this: X11_Xscreensaver_LIB (ADVANCED)
[09:51] <manchicken> cmake says I need to set it... but I am not quite sure what it's asking for.  Do I just need to install an xscreensaver dev package?
[10:02] <ryanakca> manchicken: that's in compiling what?
[10:02] <manchicken> kdenetwork on KDE4
[10:03] <manchicken> Would that be something found in x11proto-scrnsaver-dev?
[10:14] <manchicken> I've got some strange dependency issues.
[10:15] <manchicken> libcurl4-gnutls >= 7.16.2-1 is depended on by several packages, but is not installable... or so aptitude says.
[10:16] <ryanakca> manchicken: gutsy?
[10:16] <manchicken> yeah
[10:16] <ryanakca> 14:03:12 < ScottK> ryanakca: I'd wait and make sure the libcurl mess is actually fully resolved.
[10:17] <ryanakca> so, I guess it's a known problem
[10:18] <manchicken> Ah.
[10:18] <manchicken> gotcha.
[10:20] <ryanakca> hmmm... figure the screensaver issue?
[10:20] <manchicken> Nope.
[10:21] <manchicken> You got any ideas?
[10:21] <ryanakca> did you install all the dependencies from http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu ?
[10:22] <manchicken> Pretty sure.  Let me double-check.
[10:22] <ScottK> manchicken: As I understand it, libcurl4-gnutls should be installable right now.
[10:23] <manchicken> ScottK: It's the dependency issues I'm having problems with.
[10:23] <ScottK> geser said he'd pop in and see if he could help you figure it out.
[10:23] <manchicken> It's holding back several packages due to an uninstallable version of that package.
[10:24] <ScottK> Hi geser.
[10:24] <geser> Hi ScottK :)
[10:24] <ScottK> geser meet manchicken.  manchicken meet geser.
[10:24] <manchicken> ryanakca: Yeah, I reran their deps fixer and it didn't do anything.
[10:24] <manchicken> geser: Howdy.
[10:25] <ryanakca> manchicken: try looking in $KDE_BUILD/KDE/kdebase/CMakeCache.txt ... a pile of X11 dirs/ressources are set there... (kinda like $PATH, I guess)
[10:25] <ScottK> geser was helping with fixing the libcurl excitement so I thought maybe he could help.
[10:25] <ScottK> with libcurl4-gnutls
[10:25] <ryanakca> (for the screensaver)
[10:27] <manchicken> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28855/
[10:27] <manchicken> There, have a pastie :)
[10:28] <manchicken> ryanakca: kdebase didn't find those libs either.
[10:29] <manchicken> X11_Xscreensaver_LIB:FILEPATH=X11_Xscreensaver_LIB-NOTFOUND
[10:29] <manchicken> That's interesting, too.. because isn't klock in kdebase/
[10:29] <geser> OO.o still needs to be rebuild with libcurl3 so until then you can't upgrade libcurl3
[10:29] <manchicken> geser: Gotcha.
[10:30] <manchicken> geser: It's not a huge deal.  I just wanted to make sure it was a known issue.
[10:30] <geser> the others should be fixed already
[10:32] <geser> It's known issue, if you want to know when OO.o gets rebuild you should ask its maintainer
[10:32] <geser> the OO.o build takes 12 hours so nobody want to upload it if not necessary
[10:32] <ryanakca> manchicken: dunno...
[10:33] <ryanakca> geser: ouch. 12 hours... you'd want to make sure you have it right beforehand :) (and I complain at an hour of building...)
[10:40] <axxo> thats one slow box
[10:47] <geser> axxo: Build started on 2007-06-28  on rothera (i386)  and finished on 2007-06-29  taking 12 hours  see the log
[10:47] <geser> that's for i386 on the Ubuntu buildd
[10:55] <mhb> Riddell: nice plasmoid
[10:56] <mhb> (the akademy one with your face on)
[10:57] <mikkael> there is a problem with kubuntu-artwork-kbfx: the "skins" in that package doesnt work with the kbfx version that are in the repos
[11:02] <manchicken> ryanakca: This is a very irritating problem.
[11:02] <ryanakca> hmm... *wonders on encrypted file systems*
[11:02] <manchicken> ryanakca: Do you have this package built?
[11:03] <ryanakca> manchicken: KDE4?
[11:03] <manchicken> yeah
[11:03] <manchicken> Maybe if someone else could tell me what library I'm looking for that could help :)
[11:03] <ryanakca> nope.. I'm upgrading my current install...
[11:03] <ryanakca> are you updating the package for it?
[11:20] <manchicken> That sucked.
[11:20] <manchicken> kwin just totally apespit on me.
[11:21] <manchicken> No fun.
[11:21] <manchicken> And apport wants to make a report for kopete crashing.
[11:21] <mhb> manchicken: kwin4?
[11:21] <manchicken> Naw, gutsy's default kwin
[11:22] <manchicken> Eh, I'm gonna take off though.
[11:22] <manchicken> I'm just bored out of my mind, and I can't think of anything else to work on.
[11:22] <manchicken> I was up until 0500 working this morning, and man have I gotten a crapload of work done.
[11:23] <manchicken> I think it's time for video games.
[11:29] <mhb> hi _StefanS_
[11:29] <mhb> how are you?
[11:30] <_StefanS_> fine!
[11:31] <_StefanS_> I'm just modding my new 5disk array with new pabst fans... sounds geeky, no ? :D
[11:32] <mhb> _StefanS_: I don't even know what "pabst" means, so yes, it does
[11:32] <_StefanS_> mhb: well thats just a manufacturer of silent fans ;)
[11:33] <_StefanS_> anything happening?
[11:34] <mhb> _StefanS_: just played with qdbus, and I thought we could do some nice effect for Kubuntu KDE4 logout
[11:35] <_StefanS_> mhb: definitely.. although I think the standard one sort of resembles the current kde3 kubuntu logout though..
[11:35] <mhb> _StefanS_: yeah
[11:35] <mhb> _StefanS_: but I mean after that
[11:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: there's not a good transition between the Kubuntu usplash and KDE logging out
[11:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: oh..
[11:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: thats right
[11:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: but the logout should be a nice one, too :o)
[11:38] <_StefanS_> mhb: standard kde4 should introduce some fades, or other form of signaling a shutdown
[11:38] <mhb> _StefanS_: really?
[11:38] <_StefanS_> mhb: I agree the current one is quite a bit harsh
[11:39] <nixternal> _StefanS_: since when has pabst done silent fans? :)
[11:39] <nixternal> I used to have a 60x38 mm pabst delta that was as lound as a hair drier :)
[11:39] <_StefanS_> nixternal: bah :P - who else do you recommend?
[11:39] <nixternal> who ever is the cheapest really :)
[11:40] <_StefanS_> nixternal: well considering I putting in 19dba ones for the current 27-30dba really makes a difference
[11:40] <_StefanS_> I/I'm
[11:40] <nixternal> oh wow
[11:40] <nixternal> that is nice
[11:41] <_StefanS_> nixternal: the ones that came with the array was really loud.. ofcourse they worked, but I dont have a specific server room for that kinda noisy equipment :)
[11:41] <nixternal> I bought the Scythe fans from newegg...kind of pricy, but the dba to cfm is outstanding
[11:42] <_StefanS_> nixternal: oh, I saw those before ordering the pabst ones, unfortunately I needed a 40x40x20 and they were extremely loud in the Scythe series
[11:43] <nixternal> ya, pabst is about the only ones I would do at that size truthfully
[11:43] <_StefanS_> but I'll keep them in mind
[11:43] <_StefanS_> damn taiwanese oem fans :D
[11:43] <nixternal> both of my main desktops are watercooled, so I use the Scythe 120mm fans on the radiators
[11:43] <_StefanS_> ah nice.. most be really silent then
[11:43] <nixternal> not to shabby...my laptop is actually louder than both of them together I think
[11:44] <_StefanS_> well I believe you, my laptop is also very loud
[11:44] <_StefanS_> I have two mini-itx's, but there's not really an option for watercooling those AFAIK..
[11:44] <nixternal> externally is your only options...however I thought the cpu doesn't use a heatsink, or uses a passive heatsink instead
[11:45] <nixternal> hehe
[11:45] <nixternal> I have millions of case components...I used to write hardware reviews a few years back and have collected a ton of them in the process
[11:45] <_StefanS_> nixternal: I actually bought a really nice cabinet called Psile, that allows me to run the cpu+nb passive with a  80mm blowing air across them
[11:46] <nixternal> I want to do an itx setup for a myth box...my buddy has a really nice setup that works great
[11:46] <_StefanS_> nixternal: nice :) - I had to buy all sorts of different pieces for the dissections :)
[11:46] <_StefanS_> nixternal: what kind of board/cpu does he have?
[11:46] <nixternal> plus I am lucky, if I don't have it, I have a frys electronics 10 minutes from the house
[11:47] <nixternal> I think he has the one from newegg...I am not really sure though
[11:47] <nixternal> he also builds itx server farms for small companies...very cheap, runs slackware
[11:48] <_StefanS_> uhm ok, just pay attention to getting a board that supports speedstep properly if you intend to use a core duo (2)
[11:49] <nixternal> hrmm..I will have to check it out..I haven't researched it much
[11:50] <_StefanS_> nixternal: yep, always a good thing to do that