[12:26] manchicken: openoffice.org2 was an early 2.0 version that was installable in parallel to 1.x === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zanoi [n=zanoi@zanoi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jhutchins_lt [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:36] Help! Dead bot in #kubuntu! [12:36] !botsnack [12:37] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [12:38] Ah, he's back! Thanks if somebody fixed him. === jhutchins_lt [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Oops.] === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.248] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Fenyx [n=jucato@124.106.192.107] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-69-209-105-90.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:06] evening [03:21] slow night? or is everyone recovering from aKademy? [04:01] they are still doin' the akademy thing [04:01] oh yeah === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-49-185.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse is watching season 1 of transformers [04:03] holy smokes [04:04] were you even alive for the first season? [04:04] yeah i was 1984 was the first season [04:04] wow, I remember it too [04:04] do you remember Go-Bots? [04:04] of course, what about dinobots [04:05] hahah ya === jjesse is going to transformers tomorrow with work [04:05] man, Go-Bots were the KMart Transformers === claydoh played with a pre-cursor to transformers - micronauts and Shogun Warriors [04:07] Shogun kicked arse! [04:08] they shure did [04:09] hold on rebooting into windows for a bit [04:16] makes me feel old lol === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-69-209-105-90.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:27] kdelibs at 60% and rocking [04:27] 60% what? [04:27] at this speed, there should be some kde 4 alpha 2 lovin' within a day or so :) [04:28] that's 60% of what? [04:28] kdelibs depends grew since alpha 1 [04:28] I am at 90% complete...complete that is === DaSkreech [n=chatzill@dial-207-254-131-172.dyn.infochan.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal needs to find the kde 4 debian packaging image [04:32] nixternal: ping === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] yo yo [04:33] hiya Hobbsee [04:33] anyone ever wonder where the trailer for optimus prime comes from? [04:33] its always just there when he transforms [04:34] hello Hobbsee [04:34] DaSkreech: pong da pong pong pong [04:34] Hobb! [04:35] hey nixternal! [04:35] What do you call the thing you pull from a svn repo ? [04:35] a svn .. something [04:35] DaSkreech: a branch? [04:35] svn co [04:35] checkout? [04:35] checkout [04:35] ok [04:35] DaSkreech: co works too [04:35] less typing === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:36] Yeah that :) I've never referred to it as a checkout after it's actaully been checked out :) [04:36] I juat always say I'm upped [04:36] heh, got all the way down to dh_install just to bomb out on a usr/lib/kde4/bin that isn't there for kdepimlibs [04:36] hi jjesse, DaSkreech [04:36] how are you? [04:36] after you have it checked out, then you do 'svn up' [04:37] Yeah I know but I use it as up to date with the repo which is far too long to be acronymed [04:37] Hobbsee: I just created a personal +junk branch that I am uploading 1-by-1 the debian/ directories for the kde 4 alpha 2 packages...is there a better way, or is that good? [04:37] once I have it all built, I will upload to a server so we can review them [04:38] nixternal: not sure waht the best way is. [04:38] once I have it down, I was thinking of building a Kubuntu KDE 4 LiveCD eventually [04:38] nixternal: i dont suspect anyone else will want to touch tthem anyawy [04:39] scaredy cats :) [04:39] are we going to keep the [sudo] when you do a sudo on the console? [04:40] that is [sudo] password for jonathan for example [04:40] i believe so [04:40] nixternal: are you collaborating with debian on these? [04:40] yup [04:40] well, pulling bits and pieces from them [04:41] cool [04:41] they put their packages right in the rest of /usr/lib, where we want to keep them seperated into /usr/lib/kde4/* [04:42] actually, I am at the same spot as they are right now...kdepimlibs...I don't see any updates in debian svn for other kde 4 packages just yet [04:42] ahhh, right, yeah === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:46] anyone take any meeting minutes from the 4th? [04:47] shh, I forgot to work on those [04:47] was looking to see what i missed === Magnus-swe [n=SpleenTa@h105n2fls31o823.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:47] same here :) [04:47] jjesse: nixternal was voluntold [04:47] I had no clue we had a meeting..and I was awake too [04:47] hehe [04:47] nixternal: however, if you can get jjesse to do them... [04:47] you lot dont read your email... [04:47] Hobbsee: but I tried to voluntell jucato [04:47] :) [04:47] hahahaha [04:48] and failed. === DaSkreech throttles Vista [04:48] nixternal: thought about going to boston, btw? [04:49] of course [04:49] you should. [04:49] when is that again? i need to write up a business case [04:49] so i can go [04:49] dunno how that will hold with school though because of the dates just yet [04:49] it is pretty much during my final semester [04:50] hi crimsun [04:53] hi. [04:55] :-) [04:56] jjesse: search on launchpad for sprints [04:56] nixternal: Hobbsee will tell you it's no problem at all to go to UDS in the middle of a semster. [04:56] Good morning Hobbsee [04:56] bah. rubbish i will [04:57] ya, but when you are getting paid to go by the feds, it is :) [04:57] nixternal: then it wont matter, because you'll only get the people pissed off once. [04:57] morning ScottK, i did kdepim :) [04:57] nixternal: Make it research for your degree. [04:57] Like trueg :0 [04:57] Hobbsee: I saw. Thanks. I'm pondering the least painful/lowest risk upgrade path for my laptop this evening. [04:57] hehe, I think I have a field course too next semester [04:58] There you go. [04:58] ScottK: with the troubles with the installer... [04:58] ScottK: well, a clean install will be cleaner, but the next tribe is in 2 weeks [04:58] ScottK: i'd probably just dist-upgrade at the moment [04:58] you can sort out any dependancy problesm [04:58] That's my plan. My conern is conflicts with the Feisty KDE 3.5.7 packages. [04:59] shouldnt do === ScottK is thinking he'll remove kubuntu-desktop and upgrade headless. [04:59] there might be a couple of file overwrites, but that's fairly harmless [04:59] er, you want k-d [04:59] The Gutsy KDE 3.5.7 packages all have higherr numbers? [04:59] they would now, yeah === ScottK would reinstall it after they upgrade. [04:59] OK. [04:59] Maybe I'm over thinking it. [05:00] :) [05:00] Hobbsee: lol, gay fucker [05:00] Hobbsee: ubuntu would have been good wo you === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b *!*@h105n2fls31o823.telia.com] by Hobbsee === Magnus-swe was kicked off #kubuntu-devel by Hobbsee (please leave.) === ScottK has also been mangling gnupg stuff trying to the gpg.conf file. [05:01] That was brilliant [05:01] Hobbsee: Thanks. [05:01] :) === Hobbsee is not gay, and does not fuck everyone she meets, so he is clearly on crack. === ScottK notes he is an identified freenode user and imagines additional recourse might be available. === ryanakca wonders [05:03] ScottK: already speaking with the resident staffer... [05:03] hmm.. you working on GPG-agent + KMail ootb? [05:03] wth [05:03] OK. Just making sure you knew. Cool. [05:05] Hobbsee: should have told him "but Kubuntu is much better with me!" :) [05:05] nixternal: heh [05:05] err [05:05] nixternal: that was only because i banned him in #ubuntu [05:05] haha, gay focker! god I love that movie [05:06] Hobbsee: you seem to collect fans, eh? [05:06] Tm_T: i do, i do. it's most unfortunate [05:07] Tm_T: that's what happens when you use ops on major channels [05:07] unless of course they are the "money throwing" kind of fans [05:07] heh [05:07] Hobbsee: shame, eh [05:07] Tm_T: yeah, rather === ryanakca wonders if elmo will ever get around to the subdomain... === ryanakca --> bed === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:14] any idea what the link is for the debian package hierarchy for kde 4? [05:15] for 4? no === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:7fff:ad1e:de45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] http://www.kubuntu-art.org/ [05:44] first I have ever seen that === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:7fff:ad1e:de45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:59] jeesh, over an hour for kde4base...I didn't realize that it took that long [07:00] hehe [07:02] I thought libs was worse, guess not [07:02] wo0t..I have the main alpha 2 packages complete...now it is on to the quick and easy packages [07:02] hrmm, maybe even a KOffice 2 package :) [07:03] nixternal: You do the Tribe X release notes. right? [07:04] yup [07:05] OK. Unless I hit a brick wall on gnupg changes we should have GPG and S/MIME by default in Kmail for Tribe 3. I think it'll be worth a mention. [07:05] hell ya, it will go at the top of the list! [07:05] unless of course they release 3.5.8 by then :) [07:05] Any ideas on the best pointy-clicky way to make a shiny new GPG key if you don't have one already. [07:05] gpg --gen-key === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:06] there is some KDE GPG package, but I don't know what it is [07:06] ScottK: way cool. will remember that, and poke people about it [07:06] kgpg maybe [07:06] kgpg [07:06] Does that actually work? [07:06] woo, I remembered it [07:06] ScottK: it was a headache for me when I last used it just over a year ago === ScottK will put checking on my list. === ScottK needs to get to bed, so good night everyone. [07:07] g'nite [07:07] night! === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:58] Lots of parts in kde. [07:58] heh, yes [07:58] nixternal: You ever get me my amd64 packages? :P [07:58] you could always just DoS the PPA's with them... [07:59] I've got kdelibs, kdepimlibs, and kdebase built. I'm now building kdesdk. Next up is kdenetwork, followed by kdeartwork, kdeaccessibility, kdeadmin, kdeaddons, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdepim, kdeutils, kdetoys, kdeedu, and kdegames. [08:00] nice [08:00] they ready to be dumped on kubuntu.org or something? [08:01] I don't package :) [08:02] I'm building from subversion. [08:02] darn. [08:02] And I don't know WHY I kept checking those out differently. [08:02] I'm just gonna go ahead and check out the whole KDE tree :) [08:02] There's no need to have them separate. [08:03] Yeah, this checkout may take a while :) [08:03] I may even get a nasty email from some KDE sysop... [08:03] Hmm... [08:06] There should be a CMakeFiles.txt in KDE that lets me just build the whole tree in one command :) [08:06] I know it'd take a week, but that's okay. [08:06] I'm a patient man :) [08:08] I'm gonna go back to bed. Maybe when I wake up this checkout will be done :) [08:08] Night. === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DA55.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:18] Hobbsee: we can probably put mine up on k.o tomorrow/today [08:19] nixternal: cool :) [08:19] they are gutsy packages though [08:19] even better [08:19] a lot of new dependencies with alpha 2 since alpha 1 === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:29] nixternal: where's my large piece of concrete? [08:29] over there -> [08:30] i think i need it. [08:30] OK missy! stand back away from the computer [08:30] keep your hands where I can see them [08:30] No sleep for the manchicken. [08:30] hehe [08:31] you couldn't stay away [08:31] as soon as multimedia finishes, I am going to crash [08:32] It's not that, I just can't sleep. [08:32] I'm not even tired. [08:33] And the clock is laughing at me with its readout of 0133. [08:33] So I'm going to work. [08:35] hehe === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:40] My boss won't mind me working more. [08:42] haha [08:42] sounds good [08:42] nixternal: for i in annoying people; do hammer.splat($i); done [08:43] Hobbsee: for i in `annoying people`; [08:43] ;p [08:43] oh, soryr. [08:43] my bash isnt brilliant [08:43] seeing as annoying would be the command and people would be the flag of course [08:43] yep, yep [08:45] NOTE: libfam-dev, libpcre++-dev, libstreamanalyzer-dev, libbz2-dev are deps on all kde 4 alpha 2 pkgs I think [08:47] what languate would that be in? :) [08:47] language* [08:47] english [08:47] naw, Hobbsee's pseudo-code :) [08:47] bash [08:47] Ah, bash. [08:47] Gotcha. === manchicken is slow. [08:47] manchicken: bash. [08:47] hehe [08:47] manchicken: i was thinking of c++, which id' be able to do more [08:48] actually, iirc, that should be legit code, if the rest was included [08:48] I've got this database search caching algorithm in my head, and it just will not go away. [08:48] might be a mismash of c++ and bash, though [08:48] Thus my inability to sleep. [08:48] I wish there was a REAL free software SSH client for win32 that didn't suck like PuTTY. [08:49] putty hasn't been developed in a long time I don't think [08:49] at school, putty constantly disconnects [08:49] ti works fine at my uni [08:49] And it's not lefty-friendly. [08:50] I'm really excited about the new kate for KDE4. [08:50] I've become a kate fanatic. [08:50] hehe [08:50] kate is definitely great === vlo [n=valentin@lsa1pc7.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:54] http://pastebin.ca/605480 [08:55] hehe [08:58] from Manchicken import PythonHatred [08:58] Python isn't to shabby actually...it makes writing quick and simple qt apps [08:58] ya, I foobarred that one [08:59] Yup. [08:59] ...it makes writing qt apps quick and simple [08:59] If we had proper Perl bindings, Perl would be even better. [08:59] Most people know how to program Perl, but don't even know it :) [08:59] libpcre++-dev [09:00] pcre is just a regex lib. [09:00] true [09:00] I just read something about new qt bindings coming along [09:00] can't remember what all they were [09:00] c# was one of them [09:00] But thanks to those who make the bindings, we'll never have Perl bindings. [09:01] I still don't understand why folks hate Perl so much. [09:01] I haven't messed with Perl in a super long time === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:02] It's my bread and butter. [09:03] ok, sleep time [09:03] g'nite [09:04] Nighty night. === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-111.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.96.175] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:15] morning [10:15] Howdy. [10:16] hiya xerosis [10:16] are bugs for the module in systemsettings filed against systemsettings? === xerosis has found the most annoying bug in the world [10:17] against kde-systemsettings, iirc [10:17] Hobbsee: not against the underlying stuff? [10:18] the kcm modules/ probably in kdelibs or something. [10:20] it's the weirdest bug, i have a macbook and everytime i restart even though mac modifiers is on, it swaps my ctrl and apple keys [10:20] so i have to deselect then select [10:20] /every/ reboot [10:46] !chroot [10:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box === vprints [i=laur@conference/kde/aKademy/x-51e3629a30cbf777] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:13] Hobbsee: can you ack bug 124363 [11:13] Launchpad bug 124363 in libkdcraw "sync libkdcraw 0.1.1-2 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124363 [11:14] Riddell: you can try your new archive powers on bug 124363 [11:14] Lure: he's still at akademy, iirc [11:14] Hobbsee: that is no excuse to work ;-) [11:15] Lure: done [11:15] Lure: do you need it done urgently? === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387D571.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:15] Hobbsee: no, just before next tribe would be nice (there will be sync request also for kipi and digikam) [11:15] ah right [11:15] Lure: do them all, and request them together [11:16] Hobbsee: just doing it and testing builds... [11:16] :) [11:16] Hobbsee: will ping you for further ack's as I proceed ;-) [11:16] :) [11:17] we will anyway need libkdcraw through first as it also has NEW binary package (soname change) [11:18] ahh [11:22] Lure: are you doing teh sync requests for the other two now? [11:22] Hobbsee: yes [11:22] Hobbsee: you can ack bug 124364 [11:22] Launchpad bug 124364 in kipi-plugins "sync kipi-plugins 0.1.4-1 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124364 [11:23] Lure: they likely dont care, seeing as you're in ubuntu-dev, btw [11:23] done [11:23] Hobbsee: they care, as it is in main [11:23] Lure: they'd take my MOTU ack for some of the KDE main packages :) [11:24] I am just shortening the process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess [11:24] dunno if i got special treatment or something though [11:24] yeah [11:24] i've got the feeling they go "oh, this is a regular kde contributor, he'll know what's going on, and he's a MOTU, so..." === _marseillais_ [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:31] Lure: synced [11:32] (the first) [11:32] pitti will do binary new later [11:32] Hobbsee: that was fast! [11:33] Hobbsee: digikam will be merge, will do it after lunch [11:33] Hobbsee: and it needs new libkdcraw anyhow [11:34] Lure: contacts help :) [11:34] Hobbsee: ;-) === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-88-155-26-111.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=kvirc@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:26] I hate it when apport throws errors for things I didn't even know where running. === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F11C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meven [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-55-150.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-053-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N780P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387D571.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [i=renate@88.134.194.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-130-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:05] Is Gusty+1 will be the next LTS verion of Kubuntu? [02:06] I just read it on the following url: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/kde-4-kubuntu-systemsettings-vs-kcontrol/ [02:06] This is why I'm wondering. [02:07] manchicken|away: About a good SSH client for windows: Install cygwin and just use SSH. === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:31] sahin_h: that's the plan, i believe [02:32] Hobbsee: The real reason why I ask: KDE4 [02:32] Today I just tested KDE4 Alpha 2 [02:32] kde4 will be in gutsy, but kde3 will be the default [02:32] that's the current plan [02:32] ohw is it? [02:32] I'm ipressed! [02:33] Yeah, there are bugs... but this is an alpha release. [02:34] I like the KDE4 dolphin. It's seems to me the kubuntu like system-settings will be replace kcontrol. [02:34] nice :) [02:34] Hobbsee: I looked at pinentry/gnupg-agent depends and I think they are reasonable as they are. [02:34] well, that's what they're talking about [02:34] ScottK: cool [02:34] ScottK: ok === apachelogger [n=me@N780P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-130-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK ponders rejecting Bug #124398 with a comment that says, "Then don't do that." [02:44] Launchpad bug 124398 in kdebase "run as root crashed it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124398 === Hobbsee looks [02:44] was it root, or using kdesu? [02:45] Dunno, just says root. I'd imagine if they knew enough to say kdesu, they'd have said so. [02:45] ScottK: i'd probably ask someone in kde upstream about whether that was a valid backtrace, actually [02:48] OK. Is there a polite/standard way we do that? [02:48] not really [02:48] show htem the link - is this backtrace valid to you guys? [02:48] usually our backtraces arent [02:49] Hmmm. === ScottK wonders who knows enough about triaging KDE bugs to write a wiki page about it and goes to see if maybe they already did.... === ScottK finds nothing. [02:52] Hobbsee: Seems to me that KDE bugs are a broad enough catagory that such a page would be useful. Useful to me since I'm utterly unqualified to write it. Any thoughts on if that'd be worthwhile or who migh know enough to do it? [02:53] hmmmm === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:53] is that for "how to use bugzilla" or "how to triage kde bugs"? [02:54] How to triage KDE bugs. [02:55] For example, if most of our backtraces are invalid for KDE bugs, it doesn't seem to make sense to just flood their bugzilla with the stuff. [02:56] which is why we dont [02:56] the kcrash ones are, or were, due to lack of debug symbols [02:56] however, it looks like this lot of apport ones actually do have the debug symbols [02:56] Right, but how is one to know that. The bugsquad how-to-triage page doesn't get into stuff like that. [02:57] i'd imagine pitti/riddell would know more about the kcrash/apport situation [02:57] ScottK: the lack of question marks :P [02:57] ;-) [02:57] Thanks. Maybe I'll bug Riddell about it next week after he's back. [02:58] however, it looks like these new ones we coudl file upstream [02:58] as for how to triage kde bugs - id' expect them to have documentation on that [02:58] ie, upstream kde === ScottK thinks about it. === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Fenyx throws in http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad and http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/Guide and http://quality.kde.org/develop/howto/howtobugs.php === ScottK pretends he didn't see that so he won't be tempted to start working on a Kubuntu HowToTriageKDE page. === Fenyx is tempted to repost the links :) === Fenyx is now known as Jucato [03:32] hiya Jucato [03:32] hi Hobbsee :) === Jucato is in lurk mode while on "sabbatical" :P [03:33] lol === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:33] you don't know how tempting it is to look into the channel and butt into conversations :P [03:34] haha [03:35] specially when someone called you gay :P === Jucato runs and hides from the pointy stick === ScottK moves to the other side of the room. [03:43] lol === Hobbsee is very much straight === Hobbsee attacks Jucato with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the sheer hell of doing so [03:44] yeah you're straight as a stick :) === Jucato runs again [03:44] :P === ScottK moves behind a heavy piece of furniture. [03:44] ... === Jucato makes a mental note to subscribe to bugs he's interested in or in bugs he wants to poke somebody about... [03:46] hey [03:46] afternoon mhb [03:47] anyone who's an expert on the kde debconf frontend, please try to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/108185 [03:47] Launchpad bug 108185 in adept "Adept crashes if Java license agreement is not accepted" [Medium,Confirmed] [03:48] is there a way to search in LP for bug comments you made? === jpetso [i=jpetso@conference/kde/aKademy/x-d21a15d43434512b] has joined #kubuntu-devel === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-88-155-26-111.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:51] yay! I found the one I commented on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/119243 :P [03:51] Launchpad bug 119243 in adept "adept manager & license agreement issue (dup-of: 108185)" [Medium,Confirmed] [03:51] Launchpad bug 108185 in adept "Adept crashes if Java license agreement is not accepted" [Medium,Confirmed] [03:52] Jucato: I am able to search through comments [03:52] (at least my test with copying one random sentence in a comment and searching for it worked) === Hobbsee squishes ScottK with the heavy piece of furniture [03:53] Jucato: usually a good idea [03:53] good thing we're not using apport that much === ScottK didn't know Hobbsee had such strength. Will remember once I heal. [03:55] you don't know Hobbsee that much, then :) [03:55] heh [03:55] ph34r Hobbsee! [03:55] hehe [03:56] equally ph34r nixternal as well... the Vista-wielding big man [03:56] 14:52 < Bille_laptop> Riddell: shiny improvements to the offline mode in kde 3 it's in a branch in work/~wstephens [03:56] Lure: ^^ [03:57] Riddell: yes, I have seen something regarding that, just was not sure if this is complete now or not [03:57] Riddell: I suspect it will land in SuSE [03:57] yes === jpetso_ [i=jpetso@conference/kde/aKademy/x-4d45ef816af94c37] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:29] good morning my fellow KDE hackers [04:29] good morning nixternal_vista [04:29] blow it out your ear! [04:29] good day nixternal_big_man_vista [04:30] nixternal: having fun w/ asp.net [04:30] nixternal: bad channel, there's just few people pretending they are very important developers of a well-known distribution [04:30] I wish you and computers nothing but a life filled with viruses, spyware, malware, and Steve Ballmer's recorded voice laughing at you evertime you start up your computer! [04:31] it is impossible to have fun with ASP.NET [04:31] "_ [04:31] :) === Jucato wonders at mhb's remark... [04:31] any website that is put together by pointing and clicking, can't be good === nixternal too [04:31] Jucato: are you free for like the next hour? [04:32] if so, I am voluntelling you about the minutes :) [04:32] nixternal: I'm sort of on a self-imposed "sabbatical"... just couldn't resist to greet you :) [04:32] hehe, I need to get the done [04:32] s/the/them [04:32] hm... iirc, I just voluntold you that the other day :) [04:32] haha, ya, but that doesn't mean I can't do it either :) [04:33] :) === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Life] [04:56] Hobbsee. Riddell, Tonio_: merge of digikam 0.9.2 ready for upload: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/ === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@ppp-82-135-6-74.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:07] Lure: thought about applying to be a part of the -uvf team? === jpetso_ is now known as jpetso === apachelogger [n=me@N780P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:39] Hobbsee: ? [05:39] Lure: motu-uvf [05:39] Lure: we're almost up to featuer freeze again [05:39] (motu mailing list) [05:39] Hobbsee: will read ML later - just done with the workday [05:39] ah, cool [05:39] then you can celebrate that it's friday! [05:40] Hobbsee: what all is involved with the UVF team? [05:41] Lure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9c768217b322f8567d24d91647eaf0a256a73046 [05:41] i think [05:45] Hobbsee: yep, I might be interested, just not sure how much time I will have during this cycle [05:45] you've got a few days to consider [05:46] Hobbsee: anyway, need to run home -> bbl [05:47] enjoy your weekend :) [05:47] Hobbsee: and if you cannot sleep, you can do digikam upload ;-) [05:47] oh i can sleep. real soon now. [05:47] Hobbsee: good night then and great weekend to you too! [05:47] :) === Hobbsee has to work part of it, but oh well :) === Hobbsee had a few days off during the week === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-130-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.128] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Disablez [n=disablez@87.119.153.240] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.89] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal needs some op love...only a matter of time before GhoSt comes and spams here as well [07:25] nixternal: he cant come in here [07:25] he is klined now :) [07:25] :0 === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:01] hmm... is Gutsy sane enough for me to upgrade? [08:03] ryanakca: I'd wait and make sure the libcurl mess is actually fully resolved. === gian\out [i=giangy@voyager.techtemple.org] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [08:19] Mmm... KDE4 is still building. [08:19] I still don't understand why they don't have a CMakeFile.txt in the toplevel KDE directory for building the whole tree at once :) [08:20] Wouldn't that make life so much easier? [08:20] ScottK: okies === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ is now known as Lure [08:22] manchicken: *nod* that, and have a script that updates the whole install, instead of having to go threw each dir and snv up, building, etc [08:22] ryanakca: You can check out the whole KDE tree. [08:22] that's what I did :) [08:22] Then I just cd KDE && svn up :) [08:22] ah, cool :) [08:22] That's normal subversion functionality though. [08:23] It's a rather large operation mind you, but the build script is the only thing that's really missing. === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEE38D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@p54977B32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A72006.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:18] ryanakca: you can also do 'svn up *' to svn up all dirs inside KDE. [09:19] i use a list of dirs, and a small script to compile in the correct order. [09:20] the for loop: http://rafb.net/p/Eu7Okr25.html [09:20] build.list is basically: http://rafb.net/p/gT9KIy46.html === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:21] you can always add svn up before cmakekde. === axxo [n=axxo@gentoo/developer/axxo] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb_ is now known as mhb === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:32] sebas: dude! [09:33] sebas: stop pissing off the oxygen hackers - the two working on the style have now quit === rbrunhuber_ [n=rbrunhub@p54977B32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:50] Hmm... [09:50] Anybody know what's up with this: X11_Xscreensaver_LIB (ADVANCED) [09:51] cmake says I need to set it... but I am not quite sure what it's asking for. Do I just need to install an xscreensaver dev package? === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:02] manchicken: that's in compiling what? [10:02] kdenetwork on KDE4 [10:03] Would that be something found in x11proto-scrnsaver-dev? === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:14] I've got some strange dependency issues. [10:15] libcurl4-gnutls >= 7.16.2-1 is depended on by several packages, but is not installable... or so aptitude says. === ryanakca back [10:16] manchicken: gutsy? [10:16] yeah [10:16] 14:03:12 < ScottK> ryanakca: I'd wait and make sure the libcurl mess is actually fully resolved. [10:17] so, I guess it's a known problem [10:18] Ah. [10:18] gotcha. [10:20] hmmm... figure the screensaver issue? [10:20] Nope. [10:21] You got any ideas? [10:21] did you install all the dependencies from http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu ? [10:22] Pretty sure. Let me double-check. [10:22] manchicken: As I understand it, libcurl4-gnutls should be installable right now. [10:23] ScottK: It's the dependency issues I'm having problems with. [10:23] geser said he'd pop in and see if he could help you figure it out. [10:23] It's holding back several packages due to an uninstallable version of that package. === geser [i=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:24] Hi geser. [10:24] Hi ScottK :) [10:24] geser meet manchicken. manchicken meet geser. [10:24] ryanakca: Yeah, I reran their deps fixer and it didn't do anything. [10:24] geser: Howdy. [10:25] manchicken: try looking in $KDE_BUILD/KDE/kdebase/CMakeCache.txt ... a pile of X11 dirs/ressources are set there... (kinda like $PATH, I guess) [10:25] geser was helping with fixing the libcurl excitement so I thought maybe he could help. [10:25] with libcurl4-gnutls [10:25] (for the screensaver) === manchicken pasties.... [10:27] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28855/ [10:27] There, have a pastie :) [10:28] ryanakca: kdebase didn't find those libs either. [10:29] X11_Xscreensaver_LIB:FILEPATH=X11_Xscreensaver_LIB-NOTFOUND [10:29] That's interesting, too.. because isn't klock in kdebase/ [10:29] OO.o still needs to be rebuild with libcurl3 so until then you can't upgrade libcurl3 [10:29] geser: Gotcha. [10:30] geser: It's not a huge deal. I just wanted to make sure it was a known issue. [10:30] the others should be fixed already === tmske_ [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:32] It's known issue, if you want to know when OO.o gets rebuild you should ask its maintainer [10:32] the OO.o build takes 12 hours so nobody want to upload it if not necessary [10:32] manchicken: dunno... [10:33] geser: ouch. 12 hours... you'd want to make sure you have it right beforehand :) (and I complain at an hour of building...) [10:40] thats one slow box === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:47] axxo: Build started on 2007-06-28 on rothera (i386) and finished on 2007-06-29 taking 12 hours see the log [10:47] that's for i386 on the Ubuntu buildd === luka74 [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Disablez [i=ircap8@87.119.153.240] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:55] Riddell: nice plasmoid [10:56] (the akademy one with your face on) === mikkael [n=michael@p54B0BDFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Disablez [i=ircap8@87.119.153.240] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:57] there is a problem with kubuntu-artwork-kbfx: the "skins" in that package doesnt work with the kbfx version that are in the repos [11:02] ryanakca: This is a very irritating problem. [11:02] hmm... *wonders on encrypted file systems* [11:02] ryanakca: Do you have this package built? [11:03] manchicken: KDE4? [11:03] yeah [11:03] Maybe if someone else could tell me what library I'm looking for that could help :) [11:03] nope.. I'm upgrading my current install... [11:03] are you updating the package for it? === manchicken [n=manchkn@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:20] That sucked. [11:20] kwin just totally apespit on me. [11:21] No fun. [11:21] And apport wants to make a report for kopete crashing. [11:21] manchicken: kwin4? [11:21] Naw, gutsy's default kwin [11:22] Eh, I'm gonna take off though. [11:22] I'm just bored out of my mind, and I can't think of anything else to work on. [11:22] I was up until 0500 working this morning, and man have I gotten a crapload of work done. [11:23] I think it's time for video games. === tmske__ [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-69-209-105-90.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:29] hi _StefanS_ [11:29] how are you? [11:30] <_StefanS_> fine! [11:31] <_StefanS_> I'm just modding my new 5disk array with new pabst fans... sounds geeky, no ? :D [11:32] _StefanS_: I don't even know what "pabst" means, so yes, it does [11:32] <_StefanS_> mhb: well thats just a manufacturer of silent fans ;) [11:33] <_StefanS_> anything happening? [11:34] _StefanS_: just played with qdbus, and I thought we could do some nice effect for Kubuntu KDE4 logout [11:35] <_StefanS_> mhb: definitely.. although I think the standard one sort of resembles the current kde3 kubuntu logout though.. [11:35] _StefanS_: yeah [11:35] _StefanS_: but I mean after that [11:36] _StefanS_: there's not a good transition between the Kubuntu usplash and KDE logging out [11:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: oh.. [11:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: thats right [11:36] _StefanS_: but the logout should be a nice one, too :o) [11:38] <_StefanS_> mhb: standard kde4 should introduce some fades, or other form of signaling a shutdown [11:38] _StefanS_: really? [11:38] <_StefanS_> mhb: I agree the current one is quite a bit harsh [11:39] _StefanS_: since when has pabst done silent fans? :) [11:39] I used to have a 60x38 mm pabst delta that was as lound as a hair drier :) [11:39] <_StefanS_> nixternal: bah :P - who else do you recommend? [11:39] who ever is the cheapest really :) [11:40] <_StefanS_> nixternal: well considering I putting in 19dba ones for the current 27-30dba really makes a difference [11:40] <_StefanS_> I/I'm [11:40] oh wow [11:40] that is nice [11:41] <_StefanS_> nixternal: the ones that came with the array was really loud.. ofcourse they worked, but I dont have a specific server room for that kinda noisy equipment :) [11:41] I bought the Scythe fans from newegg...kind of pricy, but the dba to cfm is outstanding [11:42] <_StefanS_> nixternal: oh, I saw those before ordering the pabst ones, unfortunately I needed a 40x40x20 and they were extremely loud in the Scythe series [11:43] ya, pabst is about the only ones I would do at that size truthfully [11:43] <_StefanS_> but I'll keep them in mind [11:43] <_StefanS_> damn taiwanese oem fans :D [11:43] both of my main desktops are watercooled, so I use the Scythe 120mm fans on the radiators [11:43] <_StefanS_> ah nice.. most be really silent then [11:43] not to shabby...my laptop is actually louder than both of them together I think [11:44] <_StefanS_> well I believe you, my laptop is also very loud [11:44] <_StefanS_> I have two mini-itx's, but there's not really an option for watercooling those AFAIK.. [11:44] externally is your only options...however I thought the cpu doesn't use a heatsink, or uses a passive heatsink instead === _StefanS_ lost a screw... or more :D [11:45] hehe [11:45] I have millions of case components...I used to write hardware reviews a few years back and have collected a ton of them in the process [11:45] <_StefanS_> nixternal: I actually bought a really nice cabinet called Psile, that allows me to run the cpu+nb passive with a 80mm blowing air across them [11:46] I want to do an itx setup for a myth box...my buddy has a really nice setup that works great [11:46] <_StefanS_> nixternal: nice :) - I had to buy all sorts of different pieces for the dissections :) [11:46] <_StefanS_> nixternal: what kind of board/cpu does he have? [11:46] plus I am lucky, if I don't have it, I have a frys electronics 10 minutes from the house [11:47] I think he has the one from newegg...I am not really sure though [11:47] he also builds itx server farms for small companies...very cheap, runs slackware [11:48] <_StefanS_> uhm ok, just pay attention to getting a board that supports speedstep properly if you intend to use a core duo (2) [11:49] hrmm..I will have to check it out..I haven't researched it much [11:50] <_StefanS_> nixternal: yep, always a good thing to do that === mikkael [n=michael@p54B0BDFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete]