=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] i don't think the rt2x00 ralink drivers work [12:25] at least the rt73usb driver is causing pain for people, it just doesn't associate [12:26] the legacy rt73 driver the same guys provide works, but it's not bundled with ubuntu [12:26] what's the solution here [12:26] ? [12:27] in fact, they claim that the rt2x00 driver is still beta [12:29] every "legacy" driver they provide EXCEPT rt73 is bundled === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] alex-weej: Most of the core devs work on European time, so this isn't a great time. I'd suggest discuss it in #ubuntu+1. [12:30] ScottK: should i use ubuntu-devel-discuss? [12:30] doko, poke? [12:31] alex-weej: That would be another good option. That or file a bug. #ubuntu-kernel might be another place (but probably not right now). All in all, mailing list doesn't sound bad. === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-3945f08ff6a4b026] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] ScottK: i'll attack it tomorrow === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zanoi [n=zanoi@zanoi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] ogra: Why does education-laptop recommend laptop-mode-tools? === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono_ [n=jono@88-107-9-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul__ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@87.18.124.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] doko, hello. === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottLij [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-106-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] Kmos: how is 107716 fix released? === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@200-193-152-9.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _nightwish [i=gsn1@segfault.kernel-oops.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Bothered [n=james@cpc1-cove3-0-0-cust537.sol2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rl1 [n=rlc@caldr704.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Bothered [n=james@cpc1-cove3-0-0-cust537.sol2.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robby [n=robby@c-76-18-187-43.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] hi all [02:32] I really need to test out python-fam like a good little user. === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-150.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottLij [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.0.91] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.0.91] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ScottLij [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [n=srbaker@d146-28-66.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [n=srbaker@d146-28-66.home1.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FreeFish_ [n=dimas@201.2.143.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FreeFish_ [n=dimas@201.2.143.198] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Martinp23_ [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] wolfeon: Yes. You do. === crd1b [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] ScottK: I know =] I'll test it this afternoon while I develop. === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.0.91] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.0.91] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ijuz_ [n=ijuz@p54ABDAB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toxicity999 [n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toxicity999 [n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toxicity999 [n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999] has joined #ubuntu-devel === unfo [n=j@bas11-ottawa23-1088839984.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:06] hi all, I wish Ubuntu had a graphical bootloader like GAG with mouse support. Should I file a bug? [07:06] create a spec for it, more like [07:07] however, i thought they were working towards grub 2 [07:07] unfo: that's not really a bug, that's a feature request [07:07] Hobbsee, is grub 2 graphical? That'd be ideal: a powerful command line (lets you do commands like find /vmlinuz) and graphics too. [07:08] look up the page. i beleive so, last i checked [07:08] You don't really need graphics, just a text mode mouse would be helpful. [07:11] iirc, no Grub 2 for the time being. [07:11] why would you need a mouse in a boot loader? [07:11] evand! === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F76804.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] Hobbsee! [07:12] evand: did you get anywhere with that bug? [07:12] morning guys [07:12] morning fabbione [07:12] morning fabbione! [07:12] does anybody know if the old Feisty Herd test results are stored somewhere? [07:13] Hobbsee: sort of. It's definitely gksu interaction, but oddly enough it still happens with the feisty version of gksu, which confuses me to no end. [07:13] it looks like i can't dig all of them out of the wiki [07:13] and then we moved to the iso tracker [07:13] evand: that's...weird. [07:13] evand, i don't need it but, for example, IIRC Macintosh dual-boot has it and it makes people feel it's more user-friendly. [07:13] evand: is grub2 still too immature? [07:13] (that requires admins for historical [07:13] fabbione: what page names on the wiki? [07:13] tepsipakki: that was my understanding. I had to miss the grub2 spec session for something, so there's probably a better source of information on this one. === ajmitch might still have the diffs in mail [07:13] ajmitch: it was Testing* [07:15] right, I'd need to reconstruct a page from diffs [07:16] ajmitch: do you have them? [07:16] looks like I do [07:16] ajmitch: could you just tar up those messages and send them to me+ [07:16] it's easier for me to grep in there than for you to rebuild pages [07:17] sure [07:17] thanks [07:17] just changes from this year? [07:17] for all of feisty if you have them [07:20] http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/feisty-testing.mbox.bz2 [07:21] mbox file with what is hopefully enough === unfo [n=j@bas11-ottawa23-1088839984.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:22] thanks === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottLij [n=scott@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-67-200.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DA55.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-88ccc8f99519f4d3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] for i in 'annoying people'; do hammer.splat($i); done === pygi eats Hobbsee === Hobbsee splats pygi too, then [08:45] Hobbsee, o no, you won't! === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] morning pitti! [08:47] Hi pitti! === Hobbsee notes that pitti isnt contained in $i === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F76804.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] morning pitti, dholbach [08:49] morning dholbach! [08:49] fortunately, dholbach isnt in $i either [08:49] good morning [08:49] hey pygi, hey pi [08:49] tti [08:50] hey Hobbsee :) [08:50] Good morning [08:50] Hobbsee: $I? [08:50] [16:43] for i in 'annoying people'; do hammer.splat($i); done [08:50] hey dholbach [08:50] oh, *phew* :) [08:50] i must be turning slowly geekier, when i'm expressing frustration via bash loops... [08:51] Hobbsee: you just need to fix the syntax of the set now :) [08:52] pitti: Can you give-back asterisk and boinc on ia64? [08:52] pitti: yeah, well. what is it? :P [08:52] for i in $annoying_people ? [08:52] hammer.splat(i) is a c++ ism, i assume [08:52] or at least, i've used it in c++ before [08:53] Yup. === Mithrandir waves [08:53] morning Mithrandir! [08:53] hi Mithrandir [08:53] hammer --splat $i === Hobbsee splats Mithrandir with the large hammer anyway, even though he's not part of $i [08:53] yh! [08:53] no splatting. [08:53] at least not before breakfast. === pygi takes away the hammer from Hobbsee [08:54] no splatting kid [08:54] StevenK: done [08:54] ^_^ [08:54] pygi: splatting is allowed. and it's my hammer! [08:54] StevenK: oh, yeah, right. [08:54] Hobbsee, everything will be all right ... now calm ... [08:54] pitti: Thanks. Can you convince you to look at the nexuiz sync, too? [08:55] Can I, even === StevenK needs more tea [08:55] StevenK: I just logged into drescher to do syncs :) [08:55] pitti: :-) [08:55] the list didn't look too bad as of last night [08:56] Mithrandir: ah, did you that big sync wave that hit -changes@ last night? :) [08:56] no, just 11 ATM [08:57] pitti: did I what? [08:57] I didn't do the syncs, no [08:57] pitti: I think for now I'll request the ubuntu-main-sponsors@ list and will just assign bugs to people without using any special team [08:58] dholbach: I think we should also set auto-expiry on ubuntu-{main,universe}-sponsors and mail the members about the new approach and your wiki page; WDYT? [08:58] pitti: which interval do you think about? [08:58] Mithrandir: hm, weird; neither did I, and I wasn't even aware of so many sync bugs [08:59] 3 months? === mpytasz [n=dduck@pc-212-51-218-194.p.lodz.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] pitti: maybe Colin or Seb did them [08:59] Mithrandir: it almost looked like a sync-source -a with forgotten NOMAILS [08:59] dholbach: 3 months sounds like a good compromise between annoying resubscription and cleansing to me === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] ok good [09:00] Hobbsee: can you do that for ubuntu-universe-sponsors too? [09:00] dholbach: ah yes, i was going to discuss that stuff with you [09:01] Hobbsee: we had a discussion about the team structure yesterday and we're likely to drop ubuntu-code-reviewers [09:01] yeah, is aw the meeting [09:01] makes me wish i was coming to teh distro sprint :P === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] I'll file an RT ticket to get ubuntu-main-sponsors@lists.u.c so people don't get bug reports if they don't want to === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] we'll soon have more people doing reviews and reviews that lie around for weeks will get assigned to team members, trying to balance the load [09:02] people who don't want to do reviews any more can simply deactivate their membership [09:03] the problem with i have with this, is that it works fro canonical employees, but it doesnt work for volunteers so well. [09:03] dholbach: i assume that when we sponsor uploads we keep the name of the person that did the change, right? [09:03] but I expect more distro team people to help out there [09:03] fabbione: yes, using -k would be nice [09:03] dholbach: and perhaps add a: Sponsored by: in debian/changelog? [09:03] fabbione: shall I add a note about that to UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews? [09:03] u-u-s already has a ML, incidently [09:03] fabbione: you can do that if you like [09:03] Hobbsee: yeah and that's great [09:03] Hobbsee: we just need it for main [09:03] cant help you there :) [09:03] dholbach: i did that, but then realized that we have no way to make sure (quickly) who uploaded what when mom time comes [09:04] i'm not the head of it, and i dont have special links to RT - it took so long to get ours that i asked siretart to get us one on tiber before. [09:04] fabbione: I should think that MoM will care about the name in debian/changelog - no? [09:04] dholbach: so at the next merge session we will have perhaps a man page fix for a package and the name of somebody that's not yet able to merge or not interested at all in doing that [09:04] Hobbsee: don't worry - we can do without it too [09:04] mom doesnt care about the sponsoring name, no [09:05] dholbach: right, that's exactly why I am suggesting to add a sponsored by and perhaps teach MOM to look at it in the last changelog entry [09:05] dholbach: or another XCSB- entry but that would be overkilling when merging debian/control [09:05] dholbach: the reason those bugs sit, i suspect, si because people dont know a lot about those main packages, and dont want ot break something that's supported, etc [09:05] fabbione: I have confidence that a lot of people we sponsor will be part of ubuntu-dev at that time around :-) [09:05] fabbione: That means the sponsor has to change the changelog, which should generate something new with dch. How about only in .changes? [09:05] so i'm not sure that randomly assigning things is the best way to go - because people will end up just uploading what they dont understand [09:06] Hobbsee: that's why some distro team people will take up the slack :) [09:06] Hobbsee: it will be no problem to swap reviews [09:06] well, true - but i'm not sure that you can relate hwa tyou want to do for the distro team, and use the same methods for the community [09:06] Hobbsee: it's a measure to make sure that stuff gets done === _nightwish is now known as nightwish [09:06] dholbach: i see what you mean.. let's hope for the best :) === nightwish is now known as _nightwish [09:06] Hobbsee: I'm happy to leave the volunteers out of that process [09:06] fabbione: yeah :) [09:06] ie, me going in and saying "you must do these reviews by this date" will invariably get the response of "too bad, i'm a volunteer" "i'll do what i can" "what right to do you have to tell me what to do" etc [09:07] fabbione: I'll add the note about -k though [09:07] and some that will do it [09:07] attempting to force them usually isnt the best way to go [09:07] Hobbsee: as I said... [09:07] fabbione: uploader> that's the .dsc signer [09:07] Hobbsee: I'm happy to leave them out [09:07] and from what i'm getting so far - that seems to be what you're saying? [09:07] dholbach: yeah i used it automatically because it's not the first sponsor, might be a good reminder for others === _nightwish is now known as nightwish [09:07] fabbione: alrighty [09:07] pitti: yes, that requires mom to have knowledge of gpg and other few things [09:07] dholbach: right, then on that basis, what do you want me to do? [09:07] dholbach: and wha'ts the scope of this? just main, or universe sponsors as well? [09:07] Hobbsee: when I announce it, I'll ask for comments and people can ping me, if they would like to get a review assigned or not [09:08] fabbione: at least this seems much easier to implement than asking every sponsor to modify the package IMHO [09:08] Hobbsee: I merely wanted you to set the expiry time of the universe team to 90 days [09:08] Hobbsee: so we can make sure that people stay active or leave the team [09:08] dholbach: ah right [09:08] :-) [09:08] pitti: sure. i don't really care about how but that there is actually a reference [09:08] the team will take care of ubuntu-{universe,main}-sponsors + fix committed needs-packaging bugs [09:09] right, so this is REVU stuff too. [09:09] fabbione: I agree, that would be nice [09:09] dholbach, pitti: should we make this a point for next week sprint? [09:09] Hobbsee: yeah, but we'll keep everything in bug reports - we have too many people who just don't want to use REVU or don't have an account === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] dholbach: true that [09:09] i have no mom access.. so no idea how easy it is to implement [09:09] fabbione: sounds good [09:09] fabbione: sure, let's === fabbione does [09:10] done [09:11] stgraber: ping? [09:11] dholbach: seems weird that the distro team would now have ot be involved in sponsoring, etc. [09:11] dholbach: is this now what happens, if the community fails? [09:12] Is there a posted spec for the changes? I missed the beginning of the conversation, and am quite interested. [09:12] Hobbsee: I expect us to have many more contributors soon and it's good if the distro team helps out with reviews [09:12] Hobbsee: no, it's a way to encourage community to provide more patches and fixes. [09:12] dholbach: indeed. [09:12] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews [09:12] persia: ^ [09:12] persia: was in this morning's meeting, too [09:12] persia: we're just kicking it off and I'll announce it once all the bits have come together === persia should start attending development team meetings [09:14] Right. I don't think we need more team (at least for universe), but just more process. For universe, we've gotten the queue down to around 12 hours for over 90% of the bugs, with many active contributors. === Hobbsee thinks on this some more [09:14] persia: it's the main that seems to be the problem [09:14] and REVU stuff [09:16] Ah. For main, assignment might work. I'd not like to see any official action towards U-U-S, as it's currently working fairly well (although we need more work for REVU). [09:16] although, that will be useful for SRU procedures, which a fair few people, including myself, are avoiding === persia goes to clean up the "Preparing New Packages" section of MOTU//Contributing to define a sane process [09:16] Hobbsee: True that, but I think an SRU team would be more useful than a sponsors team to handle that. [09:17] fabbione: bug #123809 updated [09:17] Launchpad bug 123809 in system-config-cluster "system-config-cluster.py crashed with ImportError in ()" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123809 [09:17] pitti: cheers [09:18] pitti: right.. do you know how can I fix the .desktop file or where to look for it? [09:18] persia: which the distro team can be a part of, of course [09:18] Hobbsee: Absolutely. [09:19] fabbione: look at /usr/share/applications/users.desktop for an example [09:19] pitti: cool thanks [09:19] fabbione: in particular, "Exec=gksu foo" [09:19] fabbione: and "X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true" [09:19] roger that Sir! [09:19] :) [09:19] fabbione: (yes, don't complain about KDE, hysterical raisins :) ) [09:20] pitti: this is a gtk app... but well whaever :) === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] fabbione: KDE defined the field first, so we had the choice of either introducing a second one and change KDE, or change it upstream everywhere, or just use it as it was; the latter was easiest :) [09:21] pitti: Right, asterisk and boinc sucessfully built on ia64, nexuiz will sort itself out with a few publisher runs, and Hobbsee will fix apt when she uploads it. Which leaves one package left for curl ... openoffice.org === Arby [n=richard@82.152.96.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] StevenK: I talked to calc yesterday, he'll see to doing a new upload (and fix some other things, too) [09:22] pitti: ehehhe === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] StevenK: nexuiz is the sync, or is there an ubuntu2? [09:23] persia: just synced [09:23] persia: The former. [09:24] pitti: Ah. mail lag delay :) Thanks. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] dholbach: i'm slightly hesitant to set the 90 days without there being an annoucement out about it, though [09:24] depending on whether it'll be 90 days from when tehy applied, or 90 days from when i set it [09:24] Hobbsee: dholbach: I think we should also set auto-expiry on ubuntu-{main,universe}-sponsors and mail the members about the new approach and your wiki page; WDYT? [09:25] pitti: Well, this means that we can kill libcurl4{,-openssl} tonight, and libcurl4-gnutls a bit later, and more importantly both of us can stop caring about the damn thing. :-) [09:26] heh, cruel, but effective: file a bug against that team, so all members will get mail, and announce it there [09:26] pitti: yeah...i'm still thinking on that one. [09:26] there's a ML [09:26] StevenK: yay :) then we can turn our attention towards the other outstanding transitions :) [09:26] people died when all the bugs were getting sent to them [09:26] pitti: Yup. [09:26] there.. upload fixed [09:26] pitti: FLAC is a *pain*. [09:26] meh [09:26] fix uploaded [09:26] StevenK: indeed; Debian must have done it as well, though, I figure? [09:27] I'm not certain. [09:28] I was pondering filing a bug asking for the removal of 21 apache 1 modules. [09:28] pitti: yes, we should do that [09:28] StevenK: please don't open 21 tasks for it, though [09:28] pitti: Wasn't planning on. :-) [09:28] StevenK: although that would be technically correct, it's a pain for you to open and a pain for me to close :) [09:28] StevenK: well, the last one of that type had :) [09:28] pitti: It's not a pain to open ... It's a for loop and gpg-agent. :-D [09:28] persia: where's your docs about u-u-s, again? [09:29] oh, found it [09:29] pitti: So, no trouble, although I suspect I'd end up in a little. :-) [09:29] Hobbsee: https://MOTU/Contributing and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue (two different viewpoints) [09:30] dholbach: done as requested [09:34] Hobbsee: thanks a lot [09:36] dholbach: no problem === Hobbsee continues to fight apt [09:36] i thought this thing was supposed to build... [09:37] Hobbsee: it doesn't? [09:37] pitti: not the version in bzr, with my changes. [09:37] HMMMMMM [09:37] http://rafb.net/p/4Nbkqp95.html [09:38] Hobbsee: you mean the no-change rebuild you uploaded for StevenK? === Hobbsee is contemplating committing the non-working code to bzr, but would really like to test it doenst break teh world === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] pitti: he uploaded that. i added the automake into this lot, which means it only fails to build later. [09:38] which is what his failed with [09:39] right, I just saw the build log === Hobbsee has no reason to upload StevenK's stuff, he was a core dev before me :P [09:39] right, yes. that's my local build here, with the bzr + stevenk's rebuild changelog entry + my changes [09:39] ah, ISTR that Steve mentioned something like 'after Hobbsee uploaded apt...' [09:39] and my changes shouldnt be having anything to deal with that [09:39] pitti: It should be uploads, sorry [09:40] yeah. i think that was "after Hobbsee uploads apt" - ie, future tense [09:40] or should have been [09:40] StevenK: aah === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] seeing as i wasnt about to upload yet another version taht didnt build. [09:40] Hobbsee: regarding unfo's question about a graphical grub, you could have also answered the following: dapper (and I think edgy) had a patch for a graphical grub, though without mouse support and you had to enable it manually; also, you have to put grub on hold since that patch got dropped later. ;) === StevenK stamps himself with "Should have test-built apt" [09:40] Chipzz: ahhh [09:41] awww === Hobbsee hugs StevenK [09:41] StevenK: just remember what Mithrandir said yesterday [09:41] or the day before. whichever it was [09:41] Heh [09:41] Hobbsee: as a matter of fact, I still *have* a graphical grub on 2 of my boxes === yosch [n=yosch@clrglop207.in2p3.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee had grub with a different splash screen before [09:41] Hobbsee: the reason it got dropped was that it didn't work with laptop widescreens iirc [09:41] ahh [09:41] works OK here, iirc. but whatever [09:42] ;) [09:42] Hobbsee: It requires different special settings for each type of laptop. [09:42] ahhh [09:42] (rather, each general class of laptop) [09:43] persia: or rather, it just plain didn't work on some graphics cards, and well, not giving people a menu they can see is bad. [09:43] Mithrandir: Really? That's even worse. [09:44] wow, lots of new pot files. [09:44] the version of grub I have installed on this laptop (with graphical splash) is 0.97-11ubuntu14, which is from edgy [09:45] Mithrandir: worse, it failed to boot at all with laptops that didn't support it iirc [09:45] which is why it got dropped in the first place [09:45] I think we can agree it had a multitude of failure modes, none of which were pretty [09:52] hrrrrm, that patch has been in debian grub since about warty :P [09:53] it's in the package, it's just not enabled by default? === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] pitti: shoved my version to bzr, if you were interested in having a look, at some point === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] I sent bug #123664 upstream, and its now got a patch committed which will be in g-p-m 2.19.6. Should I attach a debdiff with upstream's patch to that bug, or wait for the new g-p-m? [09:59] Launchpad bug 123664 in gnome-power-manager "Should not count time suspended in battery profile" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123664 === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [i=mathiaz@nat/canonical/x-71b6f7922c5f88e8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Chonsu [n=martin@87.79.35.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@186.234-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Chonsu [n=martin@87.79.35.58] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-2a64ff145a9d1f70] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [i=scott@nat/canonical/x-03009e0f490202fe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [i=marc@nat/canonical/x-4d3b0b798c941b07] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@nat/canonical/x-112b9be7f6997e27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] fabbione: pong [10:44] stgraber: hey [10:45] stgraber: do you have 2 seconds? [10:45] sure [10:49] pitti: is the network-manager maintained in bzr? [10:49] offtopic question: does anybody know of a good man page editor? [10:49] stgraber: see /msg please [10:49] seb128: yes [10:49] bah [10:49] seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/network-manager/ubuntu.0.6.x [10:49] pitti: danke [10:51] fabbione: I always wrote them in docbook and converted them in the build target - sorry that's the best I can offer [10:51] POD is nice, too [10:52] but usually I just write them manually [10:52] fabbione: I remember looking at gmanedit once and it didn't seem to be entirely hopeless [10:52] but being groff maintainer I obviously write them by hand, so I'm not the best judge [10:52] thanks guys [10:53] editing by hand isn't too hard [10:53] I generally recommend people use either mdoc or pod; I find docbook a bit too verbose, but each to their own [10:53] groff isn't horrible to write by hand either [10:54] and mdoc is better at dispelling the myth that *roff is a purely physical markup language than the traditional man format is === vprints [i=laur@conference/kde/aKademy/x-51e3629a30cbf777] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] docbook ftw :-) [10:56] Yes, but docbook is *dreadful* to write by hand. [10:59] seb128: just to confirm, you should be able to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/124352; right? [11:00] Error: This bug is private [11:00] yeah, yeah [11:00] pitti: yes, work fine [11:00] seb128: thanks [11:01] np [11:01] pitti: erm, should i be able to see that? [11:01] Hobbsee: yes [11:01] right [11:01] Hobbsee: all core devs [11:01] just checking if it was a canonical only thing or something [11:02] !ping [11:02] pong [11:02] !ping [11:02] !ping === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] hey Hobbsee [11:03] Hobbsee, don't abuse bot [11:03] hi seb128 [11:03] pygi: attempting to see if i'm still connected to the netwrork [11:03] you are [11:03] :) [11:03] good [11:04] asac: middlemouse.contentLoadURL got flipped from true to false for me here; any idea why? [11:04] apparently fn != alt [11:04] so fn+f2 will not bring up the run dialog, it will just toggle the kill switch on my wireless. [11:04] Mithrandir: yes ... every tweak got dropped .... [11:04] Mithrandir: intentionally ... install ubufox [11:04] asac: uh, you dropped all my personal settings? [11:04] he? [11:04] asac: installing ubufox doesn't fix everything. [11:05] Mithrandir: no ... personal settings should be still there [11:05] asac: well, they're not. [11:05] asac: shouldn't our firefox recommend ubufox? [11:05] it does [11:05] oh, it does [11:05] and it will go to ubuntu-desktop [11:05] won't be installed by default, though [11:05] duh, sorry, apt-cache's double output when you aren't up to date confuses me [11:05] ah [11:05] cjwatson: apt only does recommends by default for metapackages though, it seem [11:06] s [11:06] can we get that into the seeds now? [11:06] Hobbsee: yes [11:06] asac: it's just middlemouse.contentLoadURL which got dropped for me [11:06] Hobbsee: apt-get only does that, aptitude does for all packages [11:06] iirc [11:06] should be written as * (ubufox) since firefox is also a recommends [11:06] Mithrandir: true. but i dislike aptitude [11:06] have you installed ubufox? ... isn't middlemouse.contentLoadURL a tweak we previously carried? [11:06] asac: oh, and I have ubufox installed. [11:06] hmm [11:06] asac: yes, we previously carried it, but I changed it in my profile. [11:06] actually it should not reset your profile settings [11:07] asac: you should be able to commit to the seeds, though I don't remember if you've done so before [11:07] asac: the change in my profile got dropped. === _cerber3 [n=jga@pD9E60FC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] Mithrandir: any other change got dropped? [11:07] asac: you broke it! [11:07] cjwatson: i haven't done that before [11:07] asac: not that I can see, and most of my changes seem to be there. [11:07] asac: bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.gutsy/ [11:07] asac: (I don't have a list in my head of all the tweaks I have applied, sorry. :-) [11:07] heh, i was about to offer to do it [11:08] Mithrandir: do you have backup of your profile (from a day or two ago)? [11:08] asac: actually, I do. [11:09] let me find it [11:11] cjwatson: i have to submit a main inclusion report first, right? [11:11] s/report/request/ [11:11] if it's not in main already, yes [11:12] though it's probably fairly trivial as it's logically split out from firefox [11:12] in fact, I'm happy to just promote it [11:12] yes ... let me do that main inclusion thing first ... anyway I look at desktop in the ubuntu.gutsy seeds branch [11:12] promoted, don't bother :) [11:12] is that the file that I need to edit? [11:12] yes [11:12] cjwatson: rock! === thekorn [n=thekorn@vpn141.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] hmmm the syntax doesn't look like xml ;) [11:13] it, er, isn't ;-) [11:14] it was originally on the wiki, as you can probably tell from the format [11:14] is that some standard format or did we do a new parser for that? [11:14] ah [11:14] ok [11:14]