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| antics | how's ubuntu-mobile coming along? | 01:21 |
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| antics | advice on getting involved? | 01:54 |
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| Mithrandir | antics: subscribe to the mailing list and join the discussions there, and take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/TODO ; also, it depends on your skill set and what you would like to help out with. | 08:14 |
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| mdz | antics: you can read the latest news on the ubuntu-mobile mailing list to see how things are going | 01:48 |
| mdz | antics: for getting involved, check out the wiki page in the topic | 01:48 |
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| antics | mdz, Mithrandir: thanks, I did get on the mailing list and have been looking at the wiki | 03:51 |
| antics | Mithrandir: I am an embedded systems dev mainly working with uClinux on the Blackfin but I have a strong background in linux on a variety of platforms | 03:52 |
| antics | Mithrandir: I'll spend some time getting familiar with the dev environment and lurk around here until I see where I would best fit in. | 03:54 |
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| bicchi | Are there any devices already that have mobile linux besides the nokia n800. I read Intel is coming with a chip but is there already a product in mind? | 04:44 |
| bicchi | he he, I guess i found what i was looking for: http://www.intel.com/products/mid/devices.htm | 04:49 |
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| antics | bicchi: there are others too - the gp2x has a pretty big community | 05:18 |
| bicchi | antics: anything that i can put ubuntu at the moment. gnome based. | 05:19 |
| antics | bicchi: oh, probably not the 2x yet. UME is only targetting x86 now right? | 05:19 |
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| bicchi | so are there any machines i can install ubuntu? | 05:20 |
| antics | bicchi: i'm very new to this project but from what i read any ol'laptop will do to start | 05:21 |
| bicchi | antics: yeah i have ubuntu on a laptop. i am looking into putting it into something more portable like the nokia n800 | 05:22 |
| antics | does the n800 have an x86 proc? the 770 is a arm | 05:22 |
| bicchi | arm | 05:22 |
| antics | can UME run on Geode systems? There's the pepperpad and a handful of other touchscreen tablets like that | 05:25 |
| bicchi | i do not know what UME is? :( | 05:26 |
| inz | Ubuntu Mobile Edition | 05:26 |
| antics | ubuntu mobile environment, sorry - saw it on the wiki | 05:26 |
| antics | yeah edition, not env | 05:26 |
| inz | eh, environment | 05:26 |
| inz | whatever | 05:26 |
| bicchi | hehe. i am new here | 05:26 |
| antics | haha, one of the two | 05:26 |
| inz | Ahh, neither | 05:27 |
| inz | Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded | 05:27 |
| antics | makes sense... | 05:27 |
| bicchi | is ubuntu planning or releasing an arm compiled kernel? | 05:28 |
| antics | bicchi: afaik they are only targetting x86 platforms for now | 05:28 |
| bicchi | so does intel chips are all x86. | 05:29 |
| antics | but it sounds like support will eventually come for other arch | 05:29 |
| bicchi | these http://www.intel.com/products/mid/devices.htm | 05:29 |
| bicchi | are these all based on the x86 architecture. | 05:29 |
| antics | yeah. specifically a new chip that intel is coming out with that is a reworked pentium-m | 05:29 |
| bicchi | so my current i386 kernel can run them ? | 05:30 |
| bicchi | no need to recompile kernel and apps. | 05:30 |
| antics | it should run on the new hardware | 05:30 |
| bicchi | borat says: niiiice | 05:30 |
| antics | the purpose of ume is to make the system more efficient in terms of battery power and speed | 05:30 |
| antics | but being x86 you should be able to install stock ubuntu (or any other distro) | 05:31 |
| bicchi | so its not going to run naemo | 05:31 |
| antics | the other catch is most of these systems are flash based | 05:31 |
| antics | so installation and filesystems are a bit trickier | 05:32 |
| bicchi | you mean flash cards/ SD cards ? | 05:32 |
| antics | instead of a standard harddrive they use flash disks | 05:33 |
| antics | generally soldered right to the mobo | 05:33 |
| bicchi | UME is not going to run maemo.org, so its going to default to gnome. | 05:33 |
| antics | that i don't know | 05:35 |
| antics | sounds right though | 05:35 |
| antics | i only started looking at ume seriously this week so i know very little about the project | 05:35 |
| antics | i do work with embedded linux though so I know some of the issues they are likely facing | 05:36 |
| antics | bbl - i have to go rework some boards | 05:36 |
| bicchi | you been helpful, thanks. | 05:36 |
| antics | np, glad to be useful :) | 05:36 |
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| agoliveira | bicchi: Just some food for your tought abotu devices running linux, there is a few mobile phones also. My motorola a1200, for instance. | 06:03 |
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| bspencer | agoliveira, hello | 08:28 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: Hi | 08:32 |
| bspencer | agoliveira, what design guide are you asking about? | 08:32 |
| bspencer | We have a UI design guide | 08:32 |
| bspencer | I attached it to the spec describing such | 08:32 |
| agoliveira | Yes, the same. | 08:32 |
| bspencer | but when I marked it as "complete" it disappeared :) | 08:32 |
| agoliveira | Ouch... | 08:33 |
| bspencer | but I think it is still accessible, it just doesn't show up on the list | 08:33 |
| agoliveira | have the URL? | 08:33 |
| bspencer | looking | 08:33 |
| agoliveira | Found | 08:35 |
| agoliveira | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UIStyleGuide | 08:35 |
| agoliveira | Is this the one? | 08:35 |
| agoliveira | Hmmm... the pdf is much more complete. | 08:36 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: Can we consider the pdf final, at least for this initial phase? | 08:38 |
| bspencer | agoliveira, sorry, went to look, got distracted | 08:39 |
| bspencer | yes, that is the link | 08:39 |
| bspencer | that pdf is a good "final" for our first effort I think | 08:39 |
| bspencer | but also open to suggestions. | 08:39 |
| agoliveira | Cool. | 08:39 |
| agoliveira | What about the media player? | 08:39 |
| bspencer | it is very much Bob's thinking, and hasn't had a lot of community input | 08:39 |
| bspencer | yes, let's chat about that | 08:39 |
| bspencer | media player uses dbus interface to talk to either gstreamer or helix media engine | 08:40 |
| bspencer | currently we have gstreamer working and helix planned soon | 08:40 |
| bspencer | will import into Ubuntu in next week. | 08:40 |
| agoliveira | Ok but the idea is to use both, due to DRM, I presume? | 08:40 |
| bspencer | [Disclaimer: it isn't too fancy right now] | 08:40 |
| bspencer | yeah. I like gstreamer, simple and popular too | 08:41 |
| agoliveira | Agree | 08:41 |
| bspencer | but helix has been requested for DRM and to have an alternative | 08:41 |
| agoliveira | Fine so your player will provide some sort of plugin or Helix will be used verbatin? | 08:42 |
| agoliveira | I mean helix plug-in verbatin | 08:42 |
| bspencer | the media player will be one package | 08:44 |
| bspencer | the gstremaer-dbus-service will be one package | 08:44 |
| bspencer | and helix-dbus-service another | 08:44 |
| bspencer | then the helix engine can be unchanged (my understanding) | 08:44 |
| bspencer | "media player" looks like Ken Wimer's picture, somewhat. It plays video, music, and shows photos | 08:45 |
| bspencer | ...and needs a lot of work still | 08:45 |
| agoliveira | Got it. | 08:45 |
| agoliveira | I don't know if you can help with that one: we need more info about the utilities programs like power management so we can plan their integration. | 08:46 |
| agoliveira | Do you have any toughts about it? | 08:46 |
| bspencer | let me ping the guy who knows | 08:47 |
| agoliveira | Cool | 08:47 |
| bspencer | he's not responding to my ping... maybe out of th eoffice. | 08:47 |
| bspencer | brb | 08:48 |
| agoliveira | Ok | 08:48 |
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| agoliveira | bspencer: Did you find anyone? | 09:29 |
| bspencer | agoliveira, yeah, he's coming online hopefully | 09:56 |
| bspencer | <crickets chirping> | 09:56 |
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| bspencer | tshureih, agoliveira | 09:57 |
| bspencer | agoliveira, tariq is working on our power management stuff | 09:58 |
| tshureih | agoliveria hello | 09:58 |
| agoliveira | tshureih: Hi! | 09:58 |
| bspencer | tariq, adilson works for canonical in brazil. | 09:58 |
| tshureih | cool | 09:58 |
| tshureih | nice to meet you agoliveira | 09:58 |
| agoliveira | I believe we met already, didn't we? | 09:59 |
| tshureih | you had some questions about Power Policy Manager? | 09:59 |
| agoliveira | If not, nice to meet you too :) | 09:59 |
| tshureih | I think so, in Sevilla? | 09:59 |
| agoliveira | Yes, hold on a second pelase | 09:59 |
| agoliveira | Yes, Sevilla | 09:59 |
| tshureih | thanks bspencer | 09:59 |
| agoliveira | Basically we need urgently the details/specifications for utility programs, that includes power management, so that we can plan integration. | 10:00 |
| tshureih | agoliveira: is the stuff up on blueprint not enough? | 10:01 |
| agoliveira | Can you give me the URL? | 10:02 |
| tshureih | i have a one page write up as well that describes the desgin motivation, the design, and the current code functionality | 10:02 |
| tshureih | ok hold on | 10:02 |
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| tshureih | it's on launchpad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/PowerPolicyManagement | 10:03 |
| tshureih | agoliveira: the current code is simpler than what the page describes of course but the design is the same | 10:04 |
| tshureih | basically we have a series of policies which can be loaded at run time and layered on top of each other as a change occurs from one policy to another | 10:05 |
| agoliveira | Ok but I'm refering to the application that will manage that. | 10:05 |
| tshureih | then two plugins (which are micro policy engines) which relay messages to the actualy subsystem or device | 10:05 |
| tshureih | oh sorry i misunderstoof | 10:05 |
| agoliveira | Do you have it already? If not, when do you expect to deleuver it. | 10:05 |
| agoliveira | s/deleuver it/deliver it? | 10:06 |
| tshureih | we only have a command line tool which lists available policies and sends messages over dbus to the PPM | 10:06 |
| tshureih | no GUI yet | 10:06 |
| agoliveira | Any deadline? | 10:06 |
| tshureih | for the GUI no, it's the least priority now because: | 10:06 |
| tshureih | 1-we're thinking about enhancing Gnome Power Manager to understand policies | 10:07 |
| tshureih | or write our own, probably python based, GUI which would still be a DBUS service | 10:07 |
| agoliveira | Got it. Is this command line tool include on the bunch of source code that will be (I hope!) released to us very soon (TM)? | 10:08 |
| tshureih | would the command line tool be sufficient for now? i can prioratize the GUI if needed | 10:08 |
| tshureih | yes it's currently in our source tree | 10:08 |
| agoliveira | Actully our problem is that we need the application is a way we can pack and release and the user will want a gui. | 10:09 |
| tshureih | true | 10:09 |
| agoliveira | Of course the command line helps. | 10:09 |
| agoliveira | To be sincere, we are a bit worried because time is running short. | 10:10 |
| tshureih | let me talk to my fellow team mates and I'll answer you back on here in say two hours if we can have a GUI by then? | 10:10 |
| agoliveira | Whatever you can do to speed it up, would be great. As a matter of fact, there is a whole bunch of applictions and utilities that Intel is to provide and we need a clear deadline on this because we have the whole problem of package, integrate, test, etc | 10:12 |
| tshureih | agoliveira: i totally understand, i'll get back to you in a bit | 10:12 |
| agoliveira | I'll apreciate that. | 10:13 |
| agoliveira | Thanks a lot. | 10:13 |
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| agoliveira | tshureih: I'll have to leave now so, could you please email me with your answers? Thanks. | 11:01 |
| tshureih | agoliveira: sure, your email? mine is tariq.shureih@intel.com | 11:07 |
| agoliveira | adilson@canonical.com | 11:09 |
| agoliveira | Bye | 11:09 |
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| Mithrandir | tshureih: hiya | 11:30 |
| Mithrandir | tshureih: just saw the conversation above; we'd much prefer if you could extend gnome-power-manager (at least the backend) so we have one great policy manager rather than two good ones. | 11:31 |
| tshureih | Mithrandir: like i said this is one option we're seriously considering | 11:31 |
| tshureih | it boils down to having enough hands to do it in the time frame | 11:32 |
| Mithrandir | of course; just trying to weigh in. | 11:34 |
| Mithrandir | also, to what extent do you anticipate needing application patches? Getting those in early would be good. | 11:34 |
| tshureih | Mithrandir: I will have a clearer picture by Monday evening. right now i have all hands busy to get the code in a presentable shape ;-) | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | ok. :-) | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | are you too coming to the UK? | 11:36 |
| tshureih | initially the GUI was the least of my worries, but I changed my mind now and I will factor it into the schedule and push things around to make a priority | 11:36 |
| tshureih | no | 11:36 |
| tshureih | i'm in the code crunch mode | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 11:36 |
| tshureih | Rusty should be able to cover everything for me | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | ok, good. | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | the sprint is code crunch mode, though | 11:37 |
| tshureih | i know, but i also have a pregnant wife and we just moved into a new house :) | 11:40 |
| Mithrandir | ah, congrats. :-) | 11:42 |
| Mithrandir | oh well, it's late now, so I'll go to bed. Have a wedding to attend to tomorrow, and then I need to pack for London. | 11:44 |
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