=== vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === antics [i=nemo@neptune.negativeblue.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-106-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [01:21] how's ubuntu-mobile coming along? === feig [n=ejf3@c-65-96-185-67.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@201.32.150.184] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@201.32.150.184] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] [01:54] advice on getting involved? === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@201.32.150.184] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Dan_laptop [n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:14] antics: subscribe to the mailing list and join the discussions there, and take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/TODO ; also, it depends on your skill set and what you would like to help out with. === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === tko_ [n=tkomulai@jabber.hst.ru] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === DannyZ [n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === robr [n=rob@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bspencer [n=bob@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bobux [n=bspencer@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Dan_laptop [n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sabotage_afk [n=sabotage@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW [n=kvbuntu@220-137-65-152.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sp3000 [n=tt@hoasb-ff0ddd00-250.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-2a64ff145a9d1f70] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mdz_ [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-da4e8f5e4e4fce82] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [01:48] antics: you can read the latest news on the ubuntu-mobile mailing list to see how things are going [01:48] antics: for getting involved, check out the wiki page in the topic === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.47.79.83.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === agoliveir1 [n=adilson@200.146.44.122.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === feig [n=ejf3@204.sub-70-195-211.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === etrunko [n=edulima@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:51] mdz, Mithrandir: thanks, I did get on the mailing list and have been looking at the wiki [03:52] Mithrandir: I am an embedded systems dev mainly working with uClinux on the Blackfin but I have a strong background in linux on a variety of platforms [03:54] Mithrandir: I'll spend some time getting familiar with the dev environment and lurk around here until I see where I would best fit in. === kevinTW [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW_ [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW__ [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === tko_ [n=tkomulai@jabber.hst.ru] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === Bicchi [n=chatzill@pur4c0b.fiu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Bicchi is now known as bicchi [04:44] Are there any devices already that have mobile linux besides the nokia n800. I read Intel is coming with a chip but is there already a product in mind? [04:49] he he, I guess i found what i was looking for: http://www.intel.com/products/mid/devices.htm === sabotage_afk is now known as sabotage [05:18] bicchi: there are others too - the gp2x has a pretty big community [05:19] antics: anything that i can put ubuntu at the moment. gnome based. [05:19] bicchi: oh, probably not the 2x yet. UME is only targetting x86 now right? === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:20] so are there any machines i can install ubuntu? [05:21] bicchi: i'm very new to this project but from what i read any ol'laptop will do to start [05:22] antics: yeah i have ubuntu on a laptop. i am looking into putting it into something more portable like the nokia n800 [05:22] does the n800 have an x86 proc? the 770 is a arm [05:22] arm [05:25] can UME run on Geode systems? There's the pepperpad and a handful of other touchscreen tablets like that [05:26] i do not know what UME is? :( [05:26] Ubuntu Mobile Edition [05:26] ubuntu mobile environment, sorry - saw it on the wiki [05:26] yeah edition, not env [05:26] eh, environment [05:26] whatever [05:26] hehe. i am new here [05:26] haha, one of the two [05:27] Ahh, neither [05:27] Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded [05:27] makes sense... [05:28] is ubuntu planning or releasing an arm compiled kernel? [05:28] bicchi: afaik they are only targetting x86 platforms for now [05:29] so does intel chips are all x86. [05:29] but it sounds like support will eventually come for other arch [05:29] these http://www.intel.com/products/mid/devices.htm [05:29] are these all based on the x86 architecture. [05:29] yeah. specifically a new chip that intel is coming out with that is a reworked pentium-m [05:30] so my current i386 kernel can run them ? [05:30] no need to recompile kernel and apps. [05:30] it should run on the new hardware [05:30] borat says: niiiice [05:30] the purpose of ume is to make the system more efficient in terms of battery power and speed [05:31] but being x86 you should be able to install stock ubuntu (or any other distro) [05:31] so its not going to run naemo [05:31] the other catch is most of these systems are flash based [05:32] so installation and filesystems are a bit trickier [05:32] you mean flash cards/ SD cards ? [05:33] instead of a standard harddrive they use flash disks [05:33] generally soldered right to the mobo [05:33] UME is not going to run maemo.org, so its going to default to gnome. [05:35] that i don't know [05:35] sounds right though [05:35] i only started looking at ume seriously this week so i know very little about the project [05:36] i do work with embedded linux though so I know some of the issues they are likely facing [05:36] bbl - i have to go rework some boards [05:36] you been helpful, thanks. [05:36] np, glad to be useful :) === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:03] bicchi: Just some food for your tought abotu devices running linux, there is a few mobile phones also. My motorola a1200, for instance. === robr_laptop____ [n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === robr_laptop____ is now known as robr_laptop === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === captainigloo [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === captainigloo [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW_ [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW_ [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW__ [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bspencer [n=bob@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:28] agoliveira, hello [08:32] bspencer: Hi [08:32] agoliveira, what design guide are you asking about? [08:32] We have a UI design guide [08:32] I attached it to the spec describing such [08:32] Yes, the same. [08:32] but when I marked it as "complete" it disappeared :) [08:33] Ouch... [08:33] but I think it is still accessible, it just doesn't show up on the list [08:33] have the URL? [08:33] looking [08:35] Found [08:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UIStyleGuide [08:35] Is this the one? [08:36] Hmmm... the pdf is much more complete. [08:38] bspencer: Can we consider the pdf final, at least for this initial phase? [08:39] agoliveira, sorry, went to look, got distracted [08:39] yes, that is the link [08:39] that pdf is a good "final" for our first effort I think [08:39] but also open to suggestions. [08:39] Cool. [08:39] What about the media player? [08:39] it is very much Bob's thinking, and hasn't had a lot of community input [08:39] yes, let's chat about that [08:40] media player uses dbus interface to talk to either gstreamer or helix media engine [08:40] currently we have gstreamer working and helix planned soon [08:40] will import into Ubuntu in next week. [08:40] Ok but the idea is to use both, due to DRM, I presume? [08:40] [Disclaimer: it isn't too fancy right now] [08:41] yeah. I like gstreamer, simple and popular too [08:41] Agree [08:41] but helix has been requested for DRM and to have an alternative [08:42] Fine so your player will provide some sort of plugin or Helix will be used verbatin? [08:42] I mean helix plug-in verbatin [08:44] the media player will be one package [08:44] the gstremaer-dbus-service will be one package [08:44] and helix-dbus-service another [08:44] then the helix engine can be unchanged (my understanding) [08:45] "media player" looks like Ken Wimer's picture, somewhat. It plays video, music, and shows photos [08:45] ...and needs a lot of work still [08:45] Got it. [08:46] I don't know if you can help with that one: we need more info about the utilities programs like power management so we can plan their integration. [08:46] Do you have any toughts about it? [08:47] let me ping the guy who knows [08:47] Cool [08:47] he's not responding to my ping... maybe out of th eoffice. [08:48] brb [08:48] Ok === bspencer [n=bob@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:29] bspencer: Did you find anyone? [09:56] agoliveira, yeah, he's coming online hopefully [09:56] === agoliveira can hear them (I live in a quiet place) === tshureih [n=tshureih@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:57] tshureih, agoliveira [09:58] agoliveira, tariq is working on our power management stuff [09:58] agoliveria hello [09:58] tshureih: Hi! [09:58] tariq, adilson works for canonical in brazil. [09:58] cool [09:58] nice to meet you agoliveira [09:59] I believe we met already, didn't we? [09:59] you had some questions about Power Policy Manager? [09:59] If not, nice to meet you too :) [09:59] I think so, in Sevilla? [09:59] Yes, hold on a second pelase [09:59] Yes, Sevilla [09:59] thanks bspencer [10:00] Basically we need urgently the details/specifications for utility programs, that includes power management, so that we can plan integration. [10:01] agoliveira: is the stuff up on blueprint not enough? [10:02] Can you give me the URL? [10:02] i have a one page write up as well that describes the desgin motivation, the design, and the current code functionality [10:02] ok hold on === phanatic_ [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:03] it's on launchpad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/PowerPolicyManagement [10:04] agoliveira: the current code is simpler than what the page describes of course but the design is the same [10:05] basically we have a series of policies which can be loaded at run time and layered on top of each other as a change occurs from one policy to another [10:05] Ok but I'm refering to the application that will manage that. [10:05] then two plugins (which are micro policy engines) which relay messages to the actualy subsystem or device [10:05] oh sorry i misunderstoof [10:05] Do you have it already? If not, when do you expect to deleuver it. [10:06] s/deleuver it/deliver it? [10:06] we only have a command line tool which lists available policies and sends messages over dbus to the PPM [10:06] no GUI yet [10:06] Any deadline? [10:06] for the GUI no, it's the least priority now because: [10:07] 1-we're thinking about enhancing Gnome Power Manager to understand policies [10:07] or write our own, probably python based, GUI which would still be a DBUS service [10:08] Got it. Is this command line tool include on the bunch of source code that will be (I hope!) released to us very soon (TM)? [10:08] would the command line tool be sufficient for now? i can prioratize the GUI if needed [10:08] yes it's currently in our source tree [10:09] Actully our problem is that we need the application is a way we can pack and release and the user will want a gui. [10:09] true [10:09] Of course the command line helps. [10:10] To be sincere, we are a bit worried because time is running short. [10:10] let me talk to my fellow team mates and I'll answer you back on here in say two hours if we can have a GUI by then? [10:12] Whatever you can do to speed it up, would be great. As a matter of fact, there is a whole bunch of applictions and utilities that Intel is to provide and we need a clear deadline on this because we have the whole problem of package, integrate, test, etc [10:12] agoliveira: i totally understand, i'll get back to you in a bit [10:13] I'll apreciate that. [10:13] Thanks a lot. === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === luka74 [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [11:01] tshureih: I'll have to leave now so, could you please email me with your answers? Thanks. [11:07] agoliveira: sure, your email? mine is tariq.shureih@intel.com [11:09] adilson@canonical.com [11:09] Bye === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [11:30] tshureih: hiya [11:31] tshureih: just saw the conversation above; we'd much prefer if you could extend gnome-power-manager (at least the backend) so we have one great policy manager rather than two good ones. [11:31] Mithrandir: like i said this is one option we're seriously considering [11:32] it boils down to having enough hands to do it in the time frame [11:34] of course; just trying to weigh in. [11:34] also, to what extent do you anticipate needing application patches? Getting those in early would be good. [11:36] Mithrandir: I will have a clearer picture by Monday evening. right now i have all hands busy to get the code in a presentable shape ;-) [11:36] ok. :-) [11:36] are you too coming to the UK? [11:36] initially the GUI was the least of my worries, but I changed my mind now and I will factor it into the schedule and push things around to make a priority [11:36] no [11:36] i'm in the code crunch mode [11:36] ok [11:37] Rusty should be able to cover everything for me [11:37] ok, good. [11:37] the sprint is code crunch mode, though [11:40] i know, but i also have a pregnant wife and we just moved into a new house :) [11:42] ah, congrats. :-) [11:44] oh well, it's late now, so I'll go to bed. Have a wedding to attend to tomorrow, and then I need to pack for London. === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has left #ubuntu-mobile []