[01:21] <antics> how's ubuntu-mobile coming along?
[01:54] <antics> advice on getting involved?
[08:14] <Mithrandir> antics: subscribe to the mailing list and join the discussions there, and take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/TODO ; also, it depends on your skill set and what you would like to help out with.
[01:48] <mdz> antics: you can read the latest news on the ubuntu-mobile mailing list to see how things are going
[01:48] <mdz> antics: for getting involved, check out the wiki page in the topic
[03:51] <antics> mdz, Mithrandir: thanks, I did get on the mailing list and have been looking at the wiki
[03:52] <antics> Mithrandir: I am an embedded systems dev mainly working with uClinux on the Blackfin but I have a strong background in linux on a variety of platforms
[03:54] <antics> Mithrandir: I'll spend some time getting familiar with the dev environment and lurk around here until I see where I would best fit in.
[04:44] <bicchi> Are there any devices already that have mobile linux besides the nokia n800. I read Intel is coming with a chip but is there already a product in mind?
[04:49] <bicchi> he he, I guess i found what i was looking for: http://www.intel.com/products/mid/devices.htm 
[05:18] <antics> bicchi: there are others too - the gp2x has a pretty big community
[05:19] <bicchi> antics: anything that i can put ubuntu at the moment. gnome based.
[05:19] <antics> bicchi: oh, probably not the 2x yet.  UME is only targetting x86 now right?
[05:20] <bicchi> so are there any machines i can install ubuntu?
[05:21] <antics> bicchi: i'm very new to this project but from what i read any ol'laptop will do to start
[05:22] <bicchi> antics: yeah i have ubuntu on a laptop. i am looking into putting it into something more portable like the nokia n800
[05:22] <antics> does the n800 have an x86 proc?  the 770 is a arm
[05:22] <bicchi> arm
[05:25] <antics> can UME run on Geode systems?  There's the pepperpad and a handful of other touchscreen tablets like that 
[05:26] <bicchi> i do not know what UME is? :(
[05:26] <inz> Ubuntu Mobile Edition
[05:26] <antics> ubuntu mobile environment, sorry - saw it on the wiki
[05:26] <antics> yeah edition, not env
[05:26] <inz> eh, environment
[05:26] <inz> whatever
[05:26] <bicchi> hehe. i am new here
[05:26] <antics> haha, one of the two
[05:27] <inz> Ahh, neither
[05:27] <inz> Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded
[05:27] <antics> makes sense...
[05:28] <bicchi> is ubuntu planning or releasing an arm compiled kernel?
[05:28] <antics> bicchi: afaik they are only targetting x86 platforms for now
[05:29] <bicchi> so does intel chips are all x86.
[05:29] <antics> but it sounds like support will eventually come for other arch
[05:29] <bicchi> these http://www.intel.com/products/mid/devices.htm
[05:29] <bicchi> are these all based on the x86 architecture.
[05:29] <antics> yeah.  specifically a new chip that intel is coming out with that is a reworked pentium-m
[05:30] <bicchi> so my current  i386 kernel can run them ?
[05:30] <bicchi> no need to recompile kernel and apps.
[05:30] <antics> it should run on the new hardware
[05:30] <bicchi> borat says: niiiice
[05:30] <antics> the purpose of ume is to make the system more efficient in terms of battery power and speed
[05:31] <antics> but being x86 you should be able to install stock ubuntu (or any other distro)
[05:31] <bicchi> so its not going to run naemo
[05:31] <antics> the other catch is most of these systems are flash based 
[05:32] <antics> so installation and filesystems are a bit trickier
[05:32] <bicchi> you mean flash cards/ SD cards ?
[05:33] <antics> instead of a standard harddrive they use flash disks
[05:33] <antics> generally soldered right to the mobo
[05:33] <bicchi> UME is not going to run maemo.org, so its going to default to gnome.
[05:35] <antics> that i don't know
[05:35] <antics> sounds right though
[05:35] <antics> i only started looking at ume seriously this week so i know very little about the project
[05:36] <antics> i do work with embedded linux though so I know some of the issues they are likely facing
[05:36] <antics> bbl - i have to go rework some boards
[05:36] <bicchi> you been helpful, thanks.
[05:36] <antics> np, glad to be useful :)
[06:03] <agoliveira> bicchi: Just some food for your tought abotu devices running linux, there is a few mobile phones also. My motorola a1200, for instance.
[08:28] <bspencer> agoliveira, hello
[08:32] <agoliveira> bspencer: Hi
[08:32] <bspencer> agoliveira, what design guide are you asking about?
[08:32] <bspencer> We have a UI design guide
[08:32] <bspencer> I attached it to the spec describing such
[08:32] <agoliveira> Yes, the same.
[08:32] <bspencer> but when I marked it as "complete" it disappeared :)
[08:33] <agoliveira> Ouch...
[08:33] <bspencer> but I think it is still accessible, it just doesn't show up on the list
[08:33] <agoliveira> have the URL?
[08:33] <bspencer> looking
[08:35] <agoliveira> Found
[08:35] <agoliveira> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UIStyleGuide
[08:35] <agoliveira> Is this the one?
[08:36] <agoliveira> Hmmm... the pdf is much more complete.
[08:38] <agoliveira> bspencer: Can we consider the pdf final, at least for this initial phase?
[08:39] <bspencer> agoliveira, sorry, went to look, got distracted
[08:39] <bspencer> yes, that is the link
[08:39] <bspencer> that pdf is a good "final" for our first effort I think
[08:39] <bspencer> but also open to suggestions.
[08:39] <agoliveira> Cool.
[08:39] <agoliveira> What about the media player?
[08:39] <bspencer> it is very much Bob's thinking, and hasn't had a lot of community input
[08:39] <bspencer> yes, let's chat about that
[08:40] <bspencer> media player uses dbus interface to talk to either gstreamer or helix media engine
[08:40] <bspencer> currently we have gstreamer working and helix planned soon
[08:40] <bspencer> will import into Ubuntu in next week.
[08:40] <agoliveira> Ok but the idea is to use both, due to DRM, I presume?
[08:40] <bspencer> [Disclaimer: it isn't too fancy right now] 
[08:41] <bspencer> yeah.  I like gstreamer, simple and popular too
[08:41] <agoliveira> Agree
[08:41] <bspencer> but helix has been requested for DRM and to have an alternative
[08:42] <agoliveira> Fine so your player will provide some sort of plugin or Helix will be used verbatin?
[08:42] <agoliveira> I mean helix plug-in verbatin
[08:44] <bspencer> the media player will be one package
[08:44] <bspencer> the gstremaer-dbus-service will be one package
[08:44] <bspencer> and helix-dbus-service another
[08:44] <bspencer> then the helix engine can be unchanged (my understanding)
[08:45] <bspencer> "media player" looks like Ken Wimer's picture, somewhat.  It plays video, music, and shows photos
[08:45] <bspencer> ...and needs a lot of work still
[08:45] <agoliveira> Got it.
[08:46] <agoliveira> I don't know if you can help with that one: we need more info about the utilities programs like power management so we can plan their integration.
[08:46] <agoliveira> Do you have any toughts about it?
[08:47] <bspencer> let me ping the guy who knows
[08:47] <agoliveira> Cool
[08:47] <bspencer> he's not responding to my ping... maybe out of th eoffice.
[08:48] <bspencer> brb
[08:48] <agoliveira> Ok
[09:29] <agoliveira> bspencer: Did you find anyone?
[09:56] <bspencer> agoliveira, yeah, he's coming online hopefully
[09:56] <bspencer> <crickets chirping>
[09:57] <bspencer> tshureih, agoliveira 
[09:58] <bspencer> agoliveira, tariq is working on our power management stuff
[09:58] <tshureih> agoliveria hello
[09:58] <agoliveira>  tshureih: Hi!
[09:58] <bspencer> tariq, adilson works for canonical in brazil.  
[09:58] <tshureih> cool
[09:58] <tshureih> nice to meet you agoliveira
[09:59] <agoliveira> I believe we met already, didn't we?
[09:59] <tshureih> you had some questions about Power Policy Manager?
[09:59] <agoliveira> If not, nice to meet you too :)
[09:59] <tshureih> I think so, in Sevilla?
[09:59] <agoliveira> Yes, hold on a second pelase
[09:59] <agoliveira> Yes, Sevilla
[09:59] <tshureih> thanks bspencer
[10:00] <agoliveira> Basically we need urgently the details/specifications for utility programs, that includes power management, so that we  can plan integration.
[10:01] <tshureih> agoliveira: is the stuff up on blueprint not enough?
[10:02] <agoliveira> Can you give me the URL?
[10:02] <tshureih> i have a one page write up as well that describes the desgin motivation, the design, and the current code functionality
[10:02] <tshureih> ok hold on
[10:03] <tshureih> it's on launchpad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/PowerPolicyManagement
[10:04] <tshureih> agoliveira: the current code is simpler than what the page describes of course but the design is the same
[10:05] <tshureih> basically we have a series of policies which can be loaded at run time and layered on top of each other as a change occurs from one policy to another
[10:05] <agoliveira> Ok but I'm refering to the application that will manage that.
[10:05] <tshureih> then two plugins (which are micro policy engines) which relay messages to the actualy subsystem or device
[10:05] <tshureih> oh sorry i misunderstoof
[10:05] <agoliveira> Do you have it already? If not, when do you expect to deleuver it.
[10:06] <agoliveira> s/deleuver it/deliver it?
[10:06] <tshureih> we only have a command line tool which lists available policies and sends messages over dbus to the PPM
[10:06] <tshureih> no GUI yet
[10:06] <agoliveira> Any deadline?
[10:06] <tshureih> for the GUI no, it's the least priority now because:
[10:07] <tshureih> 1-we're thinking about enhancing Gnome Power Manager to understand policies
[10:07] <tshureih> or write our own, probably python based, GUI which would still be a DBUS service
[10:08] <agoliveira> Got it. Is this command line tool include on the bunch of source code that will be (I hope!) released to us very soon (TM)?
[10:08] <tshureih> would the command line tool be sufficient for now? i can prioratize the GUI if needed
[10:08] <tshureih> yes it's currently in our source tree
[10:09] <agoliveira> Actully our problem is that we need the application is a way we can pack and release and the user will want a gui.
[10:09] <tshureih> true
[10:09] <agoliveira> Of course the command line helps.
[10:10] <agoliveira> To be sincere, we are a bit worried because time is running short.
[10:10] <tshureih> let me talk to my fellow team mates and I'll answer you back on here in say two hours if we can have a GUI by then?
[10:12] <agoliveira> Whatever you can do to speed it up, would be great. As a matter of fact, there is a whole bunch of applictions and utilities that Intel is to provide and we need a clear deadline on this because we have the whole problem of package, integrate, test, etc
[10:12] <tshureih> agoliveira: i totally understand, i'll get back to you in a bit
[10:13] <agoliveira> I'll apreciate that.
[10:13] <agoliveira> Thanks a lot.
[11:01] <agoliveira> tshureih: I'll have to leave now so, could you please email me with your answers? Thanks.
[11:07] <tshureih> agoliveira: sure, your email? mine is tariq.shureih@intel.com
[11:09] <agoliveira> adilson@canonical.com
[11:09] <agoliveira> Bye
[11:30] <Mithrandir> tshureih: hiya
[11:31] <Mithrandir> tshureih: just saw the conversation above; we'd much prefer if you could extend gnome-power-manager (at least the backend) so we have one great policy manager rather than two good ones.
[11:31] <tshureih> Mithrandir: like i said this is one option we're seriously considering
[11:32] <tshureih> it boils down to having enough hands to do it in the time frame
[11:34] <Mithrandir> of course; just trying to weigh in.
[11:34] <Mithrandir> also, to what extent do you anticipate needing application patches?  Getting those in early would be good.
[11:36] <tshureih> Mithrandir: I will have a clearer picture by Monday evening.  right now i have all hands busy to get the code in a presentable shape ;-)
[11:36] <Mithrandir> ok. :-)
[11:36] <Mithrandir> are you too coming to the UK?
[11:36] <tshureih> initially the GUI was the least of my worries, but I changed my mind now and I will factor it into the schedule and push things around to make a priority
[11:36] <tshureih> no
[11:36] <tshureih> i'm in the code crunch mode
[11:36] <Mithrandir> ok
[11:37] <tshureih> Rusty should be able to cover everything for me
[11:37] <Mithrandir> ok, good.
[11:37] <Mithrandir> the sprint is code crunch mode, though
[11:40] <tshureih> i know, but i also have a pregnant wife and we just moved into a new house :)
[11:42] <Mithrandir> ah, congrats. :-)
[11:44] <Mithrandir> oh well, it's late now, so I'll go to bed.  Have a wedding to attend to tomorrow, and then I need to pack for London.