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| OpenMedia | jono: Welcome Mr Bacon and how is life | 12:46 |
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| jono | OpenMedia: hey, good thanks :) | 12:47 |
| OpenMedia | jono: looking forward to Ubuntu Live or is it all still a bit crazy at the moment. | 12:47 |
| OpenMedia | Myself and Cherie will be attending from NZ | 12:47 |
| superm1 | probably more excited for LUGRadio this weekend i'd think :) | 12:47 |
| OpenMedia | superm1: Having fun with alpha2 on virtual box. Maybe my virtualbox environment as it never boots first time. | 12:48 |
| superm1 | it never boots the first time? | 12:48 |
| OpenMedia | Need to clear a spare HD to do a real install. Most of my disks have active images at the moment | 12:48 |
| superm1 | as in to the live cd? | 12:48 |
| superm1 | 90% of my test installs are in virtual box.... | 12:49 |
| OpenMedia | On virtualbox the liveCD boots, I select the mode from the boot Menu and then I'm left with a "_" in the top right of the screen that doesn't go away. | 12:49 |
| superm1 | did you check the md5sum on the iso? | 12:49 |
| OpenMedia | Yeah.. Fine. | 12:50 |
| superm1 | wow weird. | 12:50 |
| superm1 | and you choosed Linux 2.6 for the OS type? | 12:50 |
| superm1 | when you set up virtual box | 12:50 |
| OpenMedia | Yup | 12:51 |
| OpenMedia | Safe graphics mode usually works if I reset the guest and reboot | 12:51 |
| superm1 | so this has happened before? | 12:52 |
| OpenMedia | Always happens. | 12:52 |
| superm1 | are you on virtual box 1.4? | 12:52 |
| superm1 | or older | 12:52 |
| OpenMedia | Might be my VB install. I really need to redo the feisty install it is living on, and yeah its 1.4 | 12:53 |
| superm1 | yea because i've never had that happen | 12:53 |
| superm1 | what's wrong with the feisty install otherwise that needs to be redone? | 01:00 |
| OpenMedia | Its on one of my sandboxes and has a lot of junk (Xen + KVM + VB) that might be conflicting | 01:11 |
| OpenMedia | Also VB is very very slow | 01:11 |
| superm1 | ick yea that is quite a mess | 01:11 |
| superm1 | okay i think i'm about done for today here. I'm gonna get home | 01:12 |
| superm1 | -cya | 01:12 |
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| foxbuntu_ | OpenMedia: you still there? I was reading your problem about the virtual Machine with the LiveCD | 03:54 |
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| foxbuntu_ | superm1: hey..how goes it? | 04:24 |
| superm1 | ok. just got back home a little bit ago | 04:24 |
| foxbuntu_ | working hard again? | 04:56 |
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| superm1_ | foxbuntu, yea just got a big piece that was needed, mythbuntu-default-settings published today | 05:22 |
| superm1_ | still waiting on Daviey's metas though :) | 05:22 |
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| OpenMedia | foxbuntu: Sorry out for a couple of hours. | 06:26 |
| OpenMedia | foxbuntu: so got some virtualbox tips? | 06:26 |
| foxbuntu | I have bad luck using the default scsi drivers | 06:27 |
| foxbuntu | what driver does it use right now? | 06:28 |
| foxbuntu | I forget what the default is and I dont have that machine which me at the moment | 06:28 |
| foxbuntu | as I recall switching to LSILogic fixes alot of issues | 06:29 |
| OpenMedia | Thats with vmware isn't it? | 06:29 |
| OpenMedia | I'm using virtualbox | 06:29 |
| foxbuntu | same with virtualbox | 06:29 |
| OpenMedia | Yeah the disk I/O is shocking even using an ISO as the DVD | 06:30 |
| OpenMedia | running vmstat in the host shows no load issues, but the guest is painfully slow | 06:30 |
| foxbuntu | are you running an ATI card too? | 06:31 |
| OpenMedia | Nope NVIDIA | 06:31 |
| foxbuntu | k | 06:31 |
| OpenMedia | with the binary driver | 06:31 |
| foxbuntu | shouldnt make an issue either way..nvidia is good.. | 06:32 |
| foxbuntu | but switch the scsi driver out and try again | 06:32 |
| foxbuntu | it all points to a thrashing hdd | 06:32 |
| OpenMedia | How can I do that? | 06:32 |
| OpenMedia | Yeah it looks to be thrashing somewhere down low | 06:32 |
| foxbuntu | stop the VM | 06:32 |
| foxbuntu | then go to the directory where you are storing them | 06:33 |
| foxbuntu | and edit the config file for the VM | 06:33 |
| foxbuntu | its prob set to something like buslink | 06:34 |
| foxbuntu | you should see a line for scsi drivers | 06:34 |
| OpenMedia | Hard disk is ide0 master | 06:35 |
| foxbuntu | you should see a line for drivers as well | 06:37 |
| foxbuntu | can you send me your conf? | 06:37 |
| OpenMedia | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28756 | 06:39 |
| OpenMedia | foxbuntu: back in 5 | 06:40 |
| foxbuntu | k | 06:40 |
| foxbuntu | superm1_: you here? | 06:48 |
| foxbuntu | or is your screen still inop? | 06:48 |
| superm1_ | yes atm | 06:48 |
| OpenMedia | foxbuntu: back :) | 06:49 |
| foxbuntu | ok | 06:49 |
| foxbuntu | I was wrong about that config...I forgot that you cant change that in VB | 06:50 |
| foxbuntu | but, I do have some other ideas I am tracking down | 06:50 |
| foxbuntu | where in the boot process does the LiveCD stop again? | 06:51 |
| OpenMedia | SMP motherboard not detected. | 06:53 |
| OpenMedia | I'm running feisty on an Asus M2NPV-VM with an Athlon X2 3600 | 06:53 |
| OpenMedia | Now if I just reboot the boot the vbox instance the boot is clean and works, but is very very slow | 06:54 |
| foxbuntu | do you have the kernel modules installed? | 06:55 |
| OpenMedia | Running a vanilla 2.6.20-16-generic kernel. Physical 512 and guest is 160 | 06:55 |
| OpenMedia | vboxdrv | 06:55 |
| foxbuntu | well 160MB of Ram on a livecd will run slow | 06:55 |
| foxbuntu | that mostly going to swap and thats why your drive is thrashing | 06:56 |
| foxbuntu | and when the swap really is a virtual file on a real drive...then its even slower | 06:56 |
| foxbuntu | buy yourself 1gb of ram | 06:57 |
| foxbuntu | I just got a 1GB DDR2 for my laptop for $43 with shipping | 06:57 |
| OpenMedia | Ah. Ok. | 06:58 |
| OpenMedia | I have a 2Gb stick due next week. It was supposed to arrive today | 06:58 |
| foxbuntu | ever shopped with newegg.com? | 06:58 |
| OpenMedia | I'm in New Zealand so no.. They won't ship this far | 06:59 |
| foxbuntu | oh | 06:59 |
| OpenMedia | I do have a trade account with MA Labs who supply newegg though | 06:59 |
| foxbuntu | thats too bad | 06:59 |
| foxbuntu | I have spent alot of money with them in the last few years | 06:59 |
| OpenMedia | I have trade accounts here in NZ because of myPVR (http://www.mypvr.co.nz) | 07:00 |
| OpenMedia | So my pricing is good :) | 07:00 |
| OpenMedia | Any ideas on the SCSI error? | 07:00 |
| foxbuntu | what scsi error? | 07:01 |
| OpenMedia | Sorry.. SCSI on the brain. The SMP error | 07:01 |
| foxbuntu | that is the guest o/s? | 07:02 |
| OpenMedia | Yup | 07:02 |
| foxbuntu | hmm | 07:02 |
| OpenMedia | Akways on the first boot | 07:02 |
| OpenMedia | CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+ stepping 02 | 07:03 |
| OpenMedia | SMP motherboard not detected | 07:03 |
| OpenMedia | Do a reboot in the guest and its fine... I'll check the virtual box forums | 07:04 |
| foxbuntu | sounds like VB isnt grabbing the right info off your MB for your proc | 07:04 |
| superm1_ | afaik virtual box doesn't do SMP | 07:04 |
| superm1_ | it only will work for the first core | 07:04 |
| foxbuntu | well there ya go | 07:05 |
| foxbuntu | I was getting to that | 07:05 |
| superm1_ | that doesn't stop it from "functioning" | 07:05 |
| superm1_ | just it doesnt activate on both cores | 07:05 |
| foxbuntu | what about enabling this: <HardwareVirtEx enabled="false"/> | 07:05 |
| OpenMedia | Ok increasing the RAM helped. Running at 160 was a false economy. Much faster with 320Mb. | 07:10 |
| OpenMedia | I'll try the HardwareVirtEx later. | 07:10 |
| foxbuntu | k | 07:10 |
| OpenMedia | Finally at the installer | 07:11 |
| foxbuntu | lol | 07:12 |
| foxbuntu | congrats | 07:13 |
| superm1_ | OpenMedia, ah great :) | 07:13 |
| OpenMedia | Yeah.. Time to pull out a drive and try it on the ream mypvr hardware though. | 07:16 |
| OpenMedia | superm1_: Would you like a profile for SkyStar2 DVB-S cards. They don't appear to be on the list | 07:17 |
| superm1_ | Sure OpenMedia. What driver do they use? | 07:17 |
| superm1_ | cx88_dvb? | 07:17 |
| OpenMedia | nope. | 07:19 |
| OpenMedia | hang on I'll check the driver | 07:19 |
| OpenMedia | b2c2_flexcop | 07:19 |
| superm1_ | the profiles aren't activated in alpha 2 yet - but that should auto modprobe anyhow | 07:19 |
| OpenMedia | Ok.. Just checking as I didn't see it in the driver list | 07:20 |
| superm1_ | OpenMedia, coming from working with knoppmyth, how does our install process compare? | 07:28 |
| superm1_ | i haven't actually done a knoppmyth or mythdora install ever | 07:28 |
| OpenMedia | A lot more painful.. | 07:29 |
| superm1_ | ours is? | 07:29 |
| OpenMedia | Knoppmyth just kinda worked. | 07:29 |
| superm1_ | w/ regard to what? | 07:30 |
| superm1_ | you mean the booting of the virtual session - | 07:30 |
| OpenMedia | Been a while as we use a golden image for our boxes now. | 07:30 |
| superm1_ | or you mean the install procedure | 07:30 |
| OpenMedia | The install just feels harder. Also it doesn't do Lirc and IRBlaster stuff | 07:30 |
| OpenMedia | Plus It would be good to capture a locale -> TV Standards map for mythtv-setup | 07:31 |
| superm1_ | does knoppmyth handle that map? | 07:31 |
| OpenMedia | Nope. | 07:31 |
| superm1_ | ah okay | 07:31 |
| OpenMedia | Yours is a lot prettier ;) | 07:32 |
| superm1_ | could you comment what feels "harder" about it? | 07:32 |
| superm1_ | lirc stuff is still on its way yet - but i've got a few more things i'm working on automating before hand | 07:32 |
| OpenMedia | I'd need to re-do a knoppmyth to be honest. | 07:32 |
| OpenMedia | Been tooo long | 07:32 |
| superm1_ | okay - then a more directed question | 07:33 |
| superm1_ | what does this need yet to be easier? | 07:33 |
| OpenMedia | Anything I can help with lirc or irblaster? | 07:33 |
| OpenMedia | Select Country -> Finish | 07:33 |
| superm1_ | i need to talk to the umc guy working on it before i touch it but likely you will be able to help with the lirc stuff as soon i talk to him | 07:33 |
| superm1_ | haha | 07:33 |
| superm1_ | well what if i'm in italy but dont speak italian? | 07:34 |
| superm1_ | say i speak russian | 07:34 |
| superm1_ | or what if i hate mythcontrols | 07:34 |
| superm1_ | and dont want it installed | 07:34 |
| OpenMedia | Well almost. Class of MythTV, Country, Modify settings. | 07:34 |
| OpenMedia | Anything other than Class of Mythtv (front/back/combined) and country standards is advanced install or power user mode | 07:34 |
| superm1_ | including proprietary drivers and tuner selection? | 07:35 |
| OpenMedia | All should be auto detected | 07:36 |
| OpenMedia | Thats what knoppmyth does. | 07:36 |
| superm1_ | well the code is there for the proprietary driver detection | 07:36 |
| superm1_ | but i dont want to activate it unless the user wants it | 07:36 |
| superm1_ | when you hit that check box, "Enable proprietary driver" | 07:36 |
| superm1_ | it detects what you have | 07:36 |
| superm1_ | and writes a xorg.conf based upon your tv out selections | 07:37 |
| OpenMedia | Sadly you both still need to work through a lot of the mythtv-setup screens. With myPVR the aim is the customer never has to see those screens. | 07:37 |
| superm1_ | that's my goal too here | 07:37 |
| superm1_ | with the support that i'm working on tonight | 07:37 |
| superm1_ | to prefill the mysql tables as much as possible | 07:37 |
| OpenMedia | proprietary driver stuff -> Great. I'll let you know when I've done a bare bones install. | 07:37 |
| superm1_ | but some of that is still dependent on what's picked for tuners and such | 07:38 |
| OpenMedia | Also I personally recommend enabling delete files slowly as a default. Prevents lots of I/O errors | 07:38 |
| superm1_ | i'm going to detect the file system | 07:38 |
| superm1_ | its installed on | 07:38 |
| superm1_ | and if its ext3 | 07:38 |
| superm1_ | turn it on | 07:38 |
| OpenMedia | Ah sweet. | 07:38 |
| superm1_ | are there any other file systems that need it? | 07:38 |
| OpenMedia | Reiser. | 07:38 |
| superm1_ | reiser is such a bad idea for a myth box though from what i've heard | 07:39 |
| superm1_ | .... | 07:39 |
| OpenMedia | Didn't bother with XFS because of issues shrinking filesystems | 07:39 |
| superm1_ | i use xfs here at home | 07:39 |
| superm1_ | no complaints for what i've needed it for | 07:39 |
| OpenMedia | Yeah I might use it as the default if we switch to Mythbuntu. | 07:39 |
| superm1_ | something that will need work yet is partitioning | 07:40 |
| superm1_ | the other two meta distros - how do they handle such things? | 07:40 |
| OpenMedia | It will be great when 0.21 is out with the storage pools. | 07:40 |
| OpenMedia | Knoppmyth lets you chose file system. | 07:41 |
| superm1_ | but does it do many partitions? | 07:41 |
| superm1_ | or how does it break it up | 07:41 |
| OpenMedia | One other nice thing would be an option for a small root, and a large LVM based /var/lib/mythtv filesystem | 07:42 |
| OpenMedia | Knoppmyth does | 07:42 |
| OpenMedia | root | 07:42 |
| OpenMedia | swap | 07:42 |
| OpenMedia | /myth/ | 07:42 |
| superm1_ | well the problem here is that ubiquity doesn't have LVM support | 07:42 |
| superm1_ | that would be quite a coding effort to add | 07:42 |
| OpenMedia | Real pain. But with the new storage pools less of an issue. | 07:43 |
| superm1_ | i'm really hoping that they don't release 0.21 like a month after mythbuntu 7.10 | 07:43 |
| superm1_ | or something ridiculous like that | 07:43 |
| superm1_ | still hovering at 99 tickets or so | 07:44 |
| OpenMedia | I'm waiting on the mythmultiplex stuff. Looking close now. Daniel has just released the DVB-S support | 07:45 |
| superm1_ | is it going into 0.21, or sticking as a sep. branch? | 07:45 |
| OpenMedia | Still in a branch at the moment, but its looking quite close. | 07:47 |
| OpenMedia | Hmm, my VB guest is still trying to reboot.. Odd | 07:50 |
| superm1_ | you can give it a jolt with [host key] + r | 07:51 |
| superm1_ | i believe | 07:51 |
| OpenMedia | Yeah.. Was trying to avoid that one | 07:52 |
| OpenMedia | Ok install was pretty sweet. | 08:00 |
| OpenMedia | I'll have a play with a real physical install tomorrow and see what HW breaks | 08:01 |
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| superm1_ | :) | 08:07 |
| superm1_ | i think if i've got anything going for it on this install - it should be speed | 08:08 |
| OpenMedia | If you are only using a remote control there is no easy way to select shutdown. | 08:08 |
| superm1_ | that install didn't take more than 10-15 minutes once you had the thing booting the live cd finally | 08:08 |
| OpenMedia | yeah all the pain was the virtual environment. | 08:08 |
| superm1_ | last year when the idea for this was conceptualized | 08:09 |
| superm1_ | i had one goal | 08:09 |
| OpenMedia | Just burning the install to a disk to try on a real environment | 08:09 |
| superm1_ | install faster than 29 minutes :) | 08:09 |
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| superm1_ | the last thing i said to cecil when discussing moving knoppmyth to ubuntu was that i'll beat that goal | 08:10 |
| OpenMedia | Install + setup under 29 minutes would be good. I always feel too many of Myth's standard settings are wrong for consumers. | 08:10 |
| OpenMedia | Yeah how is he taking the competition | 08:10 |
| superm1_ | haven't talked to him since that | 08:10 |
| superm1_ | i was gonna join #knoppmyth after release and see what he thinks of it at least | 08:10 |
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| superm1 | imbrandon, you here? | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | yea | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | for a minute | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | wasup | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | ? | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | superm1, ^^ | 08:28 |
| superm1 | hey imbrandon - wanted to poke about the community buildds again | 08:29 |
| superm1 | see whats the status with them | 08:29 |
| imbrandon | ahh right, i need to get one more back online, there is A NEW .fr one and one from .ca i need to get going this weekend | 08:29 |
| superm1 | you have them scattered across the world? | 08:30 |
| imbrandon | i have 5 in the same datacenter as the myth server | 08:30 |
| imbrandon | but the others are arround the world | 08:30 |
| superm1 | ah neat | 08:30 |
| superm1 | so is there an i386 one that can be used for builds as of yet then? | 08:31 |
| superm1 | or no | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | yea there is one in the DC that i can use for it , its a p4 2.6 with 2gb ram | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | that should be ok | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | i need to reload it | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | shouldent take me very long | 08:32 |
| superm1 | okay cool. i'll be around irc the next 5 or 6 hours - so just ping me | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | kk | 08:32 |
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