[12:46] <OpenMedia> jono: Welcome Mr Bacon and how is life
[12:47] <jono> OpenMedia: hey, good thanks :)
[12:47] <OpenMedia> jono: looking forward to Ubuntu Live or is it all still a bit crazy at the moment.
[12:47] <OpenMedia> Myself and Cherie will be attending from NZ
[12:47] <superm1> probably more excited for LUGRadio this weekend i'd think :)
[12:48] <OpenMedia> superm1: Having fun with alpha2 on virtual box. Maybe my virtualbox environment as it never boots first time.
[12:48] <superm1> it never boots the first time?
[12:48] <OpenMedia> Need to clear a spare HD to do a real install. Most of my disks have active images at the moment
[12:48] <superm1> as in to the live cd?
[12:49] <superm1> 90% of my test installs are in virtual box....
[12:49] <OpenMedia> On virtualbox the liveCD boots, I select the mode from the boot Menu and then I'm left with a "_" in the top right of the screen that doesn't go away.
[12:49] <superm1> did you check the md5sum on the iso?
[12:50] <OpenMedia> Yeah.. Fine.
[12:50] <superm1> wow weird.
[12:50] <superm1> and you choosed Linux 2.6 for the OS type?
[12:50] <superm1> when you set up virtual box
[12:51] <OpenMedia> Yup
[12:51] <OpenMedia> Safe graphics mode usually works if I reset the guest and reboot
[12:52] <superm1> so this has happened before?
[12:52] <OpenMedia> Always happens.
[12:52] <superm1> are you on virtual box 1.4?
[12:52] <superm1> or older
[12:53] <OpenMedia> Might be my VB install. I really need to redo the feisty install it is living on, and yeah its 1.4
[12:53] <superm1> yea because i've never had that happen
[01:00] <superm1> what's wrong with the feisty install otherwise that needs to be redone?
[01:11] <OpenMedia> Its on one of my sandboxes and has a lot of junk (Xen + KVM + VB) that might be conflicting
[01:11] <OpenMedia> Also VB is very very slow
[01:11] <superm1> ick yea that is quite a mess
[01:12] <superm1> okay i think i'm about done for today here.  I'm gonna get home
[01:12] <superm1> -cya
[03:54] <foxbuntu_> OpenMedia: you still there? I was reading your problem about the virtual Machine with the LiveCD
[04:24] <foxbuntu_> superm1: hey..how goes it?
[04:24] <superm1> ok.  just got back home a little bit ago
[04:56] <foxbuntu_> working hard again?
[05:22] <superm1_> foxbuntu, yea just got a big piece that was needed, mythbuntu-default-settings published today
[05:22] <superm1_> still waiting on Daviey's metas though :)
[06:26] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: Sorry out for a couple of hours.
[06:26] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: so got some virtualbox tips?
[06:27] <foxbuntu> I have bad luck using the default scsi drivers
[06:28] <foxbuntu> what driver does it use right now?
[06:28] <foxbuntu> I forget what the default is and I dont have that machine which me at the moment
[06:29] <foxbuntu> as I recall switching to LSILogic fixes alot of issues
[06:29] <OpenMedia> Thats with vmware isn't it?
[06:29] <OpenMedia> I'm using virtualbox
[06:29] <foxbuntu> same with virtualbox
[06:30] <OpenMedia> Yeah the disk I/O is shocking even using an ISO as the DVD
[06:30] <OpenMedia> running vmstat in the host shows no load issues, but the guest is painfully slow
[06:31] <foxbuntu> are you running an ATI card too?
[06:31] <OpenMedia> Nope NVIDIA
[06:31] <foxbuntu> k
[06:31] <OpenMedia> with the binary driver
[06:32] <foxbuntu> shouldnt make an issue either way..nvidia is good..
[06:32] <foxbuntu> but switch the scsi driver out and try again
[06:32] <foxbuntu> it all points to a thrashing hdd
[06:32] <OpenMedia> How can I do that?
[06:32] <OpenMedia> Yeah it looks to be thrashing somewhere down low
[06:32] <foxbuntu> stop the VM
[06:33] <foxbuntu> then go to the directory where you are storing them
[06:33] <foxbuntu> and edit the config file for the VM
[06:34] <foxbuntu> its prob set to something like buslink
[06:34] <foxbuntu> you should see a line for scsi drivers
[06:35] <OpenMedia> Hard disk is ide0 master
[06:37] <foxbuntu> you should see a line for drivers as well
[06:37] <foxbuntu> can you send me your conf?
[06:39] <OpenMedia> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28756
[06:40] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: back in 5
[06:40] <foxbuntu> k
[06:48] <foxbuntu> superm1_: you here?
[06:48] <foxbuntu> or is your screen still inop?
[06:48] <superm1_> yes atm
[06:49] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: back :)
[06:49] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:50] <foxbuntu> I was wrong about that config...I forgot that you cant change that in VB
[06:50] <foxbuntu> but, I do have some other ideas I am tracking down
[06:51] <foxbuntu> where in the boot process does the LiveCD stop again?
[06:53] <OpenMedia> SMP motherboard not detected.
[06:53] <OpenMedia> I'm running feisty on an Asus M2NPV-VM with an Athlon X2 3600
[06:54] <OpenMedia> Now if I just reboot the boot the vbox instance the boot is clean and works, but is very very slow
[06:55] <foxbuntu> do you have the kernel modules installed?
[06:55] <OpenMedia> Running a vanilla 2.6.20-16-generic kernel. Physical 512 and guest is 160
[06:55] <OpenMedia> vboxdrv
[06:55] <foxbuntu> well 160MB of Ram on a livecd will run slow
[06:56] <foxbuntu> that mostly going to swap and thats why your drive is thrashing
[06:56] <foxbuntu> and when the swap really is a virtual file on a real drive...then its even slower
[06:57] <foxbuntu> buy yourself 1gb of ram
[06:57] <foxbuntu> I just got a 1GB DDR2 for my laptop for $43 with shipping
[06:58] <OpenMedia> Ah. Ok.
[06:58] <OpenMedia> I have a 2Gb stick due next week. It was supposed to arrive today
[06:58] <foxbuntu> ever shopped with newegg.com?
[06:59] <OpenMedia> I'm in New Zealand so no.. They won't ship this far
[06:59] <foxbuntu> oh
[06:59] <OpenMedia> I do have a trade account with MA Labs who supply newegg though
[06:59] <foxbuntu> thats too bad
[06:59] <foxbuntu> I have spent alot of money with them in the last few years
[07:00] <OpenMedia> I have trade accounts here in NZ because of myPVR (http://www.mypvr.co.nz)
[07:00] <OpenMedia> So my pricing is good :)
[07:00] <OpenMedia> Any ideas on the SCSI error?
[07:01] <foxbuntu> what scsi error?
[07:01] <OpenMedia> Sorry.. SCSI on the brain. The SMP error
[07:02] <foxbuntu> that is the guest o/s?
[07:02] <OpenMedia> Yup
[07:02] <foxbuntu> hmm
[07:02] <OpenMedia> Akways on the first boot
[07:03] <OpenMedia> CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+ stepping 02
[07:03] <OpenMedia> SMP motherboard not detected
[07:04] <OpenMedia> Do a reboot in the guest and its fine... I'll check the virtual box forums
[07:04] <foxbuntu> sounds like VB isnt grabbing the right info off your MB for your proc
[07:04] <superm1_> afaik virtual box doesn't do SMP
[07:04] <superm1_> it only will work for the first core
[07:05] <foxbuntu> well there ya go
[07:05] <foxbuntu> I was getting to that
[07:05] <superm1_> that doesn't stop it from "functioning"
[07:05] <superm1_> just it doesnt activate on both cores
[07:05] <foxbuntu> what about enabling this:  <HardwareVirtEx enabled="false"/>
[07:10] <OpenMedia> Ok increasing the RAM helped. Running at 160 was a false economy. Much faster with 320Mb.
[07:10] <OpenMedia> I'll try the HardwareVirtEx later.
[07:10] <foxbuntu> k
[07:11] <OpenMedia> Finally at the installer
[07:12] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:13] <foxbuntu> congrats
[07:13] <superm1_> OpenMedia, ah great :)
[07:16] <OpenMedia> Yeah.. Time to pull out a drive and try it on the ream mypvr hardware though.
[07:17] <OpenMedia> superm1_: Would you like a profile for SkyStar2 DVB-S cards. They don't appear to be on the list
[07:17] <superm1_> Sure OpenMedia.  What driver do they use?
[07:17] <superm1_> cx88_dvb?
[07:19] <OpenMedia> nope.
[07:19] <OpenMedia> hang on I'll check the driver
[07:19] <OpenMedia> b2c2_flexcop
[07:19] <superm1_> the profiles aren't activated in alpha 2 yet - but that should auto modprobe anyhow
[07:20] <OpenMedia> Ok.. Just checking as I didn't see it in the driver list
[07:28] <superm1_> OpenMedia, coming from working with knoppmyth, how does our install process compare?
[07:28] <superm1_> i haven't actually done a knoppmyth or mythdora install ever
[07:29] <OpenMedia> A lot more painful..
[07:29] <superm1_> ours is?
[07:29] <OpenMedia> Knoppmyth just kinda worked.
[07:30] <superm1_> w/ regard to what?
[07:30] <superm1_> you mean the booting of the virtual session -
[07:30] <OpenMedia> Been a while as we use a golden image for our boxes now.
[07:30] <superm1_> or you mean the install procedure
[07:30] <OpenMedia> The install just feels harder. Also it doesn't do Lirc and IRBlaster stuff
[07:31] <OpenMedia> Plus It would be good to capture a locale -> TV Standards map for mythtv-setup
[07:31] <superm1_> does knoppmyth handle that map?
[07:31] <OpenMedia> Nope.
[07:31] <superm1_> ah okay
[07:32] <OpenMedia> Yours is a lot prettier ;)
[07:32] <superm1_> could you comment what feels "harder" about it?
[07:32] <superm1_> lirc stuff is still on its way yet - but i've got a few more things i'm working on automating before hand
[07:32] <OpenMedia> I'd need to re-do a knoppmyth to be honest.
[07:32] <OpenMedia> Been tooo long
[07:33] <superm1_> okay - then a more directed question
[07:33] <superm1_> what does this need yet to be easier?
[07:33] <OpenMedia> Anything I can help with lirc or irblaster?
[07:33] <OpenMedia> Select Country -> Finish
[07:33] <superm1_> i need to talk to the umc guy working on it before i touch it but likely you will be able to help with the lirc stuff as soon i talk to him
[07:33] <superm1_> haha
[07:34] <superm1_> well what if i'm in italy but dont speak italian?
[07:34] <superm1_> say i speak russian
[07:34] <superm1_> or what if i hate mythcontrols
[07:34] <superm1_> and dont want it installed
[07:34] <OpenMedia> Well almost. Class of MythTV, Country, Modify settings.
[07:34] <OpenMedia> Anything other than Class of Mythtv (front/back/combined) and country standards is advanced install or power user mode
[07:35] <superm1_> including proprietary drivers and tuner selection?
[07:36] <OpenMedia> All should be auto detected
[07:36] <OpenMedia> Thats what knoppmyth does.
[07:36] <superm1_> well the code is there for the proprietary driver detection
[07:36] <superm1_> but i dont want to activate it unless the user wants it
[07:36] <superm1_> when you hit that check box, "Enable proprietary driver"
[07:36] <superm1_> it detects what you have
[07:37] <superm1_> and writes a xorg.conf based upon your tv out selections
[07:37] <OpenMedia> Sadly you both still need to work through a lot of the mythtv-setup screens. With myPVR the aim is the customer never has to see those screens.
[07:37] <superm1_> that's my goal too here
[07:37] <superm1_> with the support that i'm working on tonight
[07:37] <superm1_> to prefill the mysql tables as much as possible
[07:37] <OpenMedia> proprietary driver stuff -> Great. I'll let you know when I've done a bare bones install.
[07:38] <superm1_> but some of that is still dependent on what's picked for tuners and such
[07:38] <OpenMedia> Also I personally recommend enabling delete files slowly as a default. Prevents lots of I/O errors
[07:38] <superm1_> i'm going to detect the file system
[07:38] <superm1_> its installed on
[07:38] <superm1_> and if its ext3
[07:38] <superm1_> turn it on
[07:38] <OpenMedia> Ah sweet.
[07:38] <superm1_> are there any other file systems that need it?
[07:38] <OpenMedia> Reiser.
[07:39] <superm1_> reiser is such a bad idea for a myth box though from what i've heard
[07:39] <superm1_> ....
[07:39] <OpenMedia> Didn't bother with XFS because of issues shrinking filesystems
[07:39] <superm1_> i use xfs here at home
[07:39] <superm1_> no complaints for what i've needed it for
[07:39] <OpenMedia> Yeah I might use it as the default if we switch to Mythbuntu.
[07:40] <superm1_> something that will need work yet is partitioning
[07:40] <superm1_> the other two meta distros - how do they handle such things?
[07:40] <OpenMedia> It will be great when 0.21 is out with the storage pools.
[07:41] <OpenMedia> Knoppmyth lets you chose file system.
[07:41] <superm1_> but does it do many partitions?
[07:41] <superm1_> or how does it break it up
[07:42] <OpenMedia> One other nice thing would be an option for a small root, and a large LVM based /var/lib/mythtv filesystem
[07:42] <OpenMedia> Knoppmyth does
[07:42] <OpenMedia> root
[07:42] <OpenMedia> swap
[07:42] <OpenMedia> /myth/
[07:42] <superm1_> well the problem here is that ubiquity doesn't have LVM support
[07:42] <superm1_> that would be quite a coding effort to add
[07:43] <OpenMedia> Real pain. But with the new storage pools less of an issue.
[07:43] <superm1_> i'm really hoping that they don't release 0.21 like a month after mythbuntu 7.10
[07:43] <superm1_> or something ridiculous like that
[07:44] <superm1_> still hovering at 99 tickets or so
[07:45] <OpenMedia> I'm waiting on the mythmultiplex stuff. Looking close now. Daniel has just released the DVB-S support
[07:45] <superm1_> is it going into 0.21, or sticking as a sep. branch?
[07:47] <OpenMedia> Still in a branch at the moment, but its looking quite close.
[07:50] <OpenMedia> Hmm, my VB guest is still trying to reboot.. Odd
[07:51] <superm1_> you can give it a jolt with [host key]  + r
[07:51] <superm1_> i believe
[07:52] <OpenMedia> Yeah.. Was trying to avoid that one
[08:00] <OpenMedia> Ok install was pretty sweet.
[08:01] <OpenMedia> I'll have a play with a real physical install tomorrow and see what HW breaks
[08:07] <superm1_> :)
[08:08] <superm1_> i think if i've got anything going for it on this install - it should be speed
[08:08] <OpenMedia> If you are only using a remote control there is no easy way to select shutdown.
[08:08] <superm1_> that install didn't take more than 10-15 minutes once you had the thing booting the live cd finally
[08:08] <OpenMedia> yeah all the pain was the virtual environment.
[08:09] <superm1_> last year when the idea for this was conceptualized
[08:09] <superm1_> i had one goal
[08:09] <OpenMedia> Just burning the install to a disk to try on a real environment
[08:09] <superm1_> install faster than 29 minutes :)
[08:10] <superm1_> the last thing i said to cecil when discussing moving knoppmyth to ubuntu was that i'll beat that goal
[08:10] <OpenMedia> Install + setup under 29 minutes would be good. I always feel too many of Myth's standard settings are wrong for consumers.
[08:10] <OpenMedia> Yeah how is he taking the competition
[08:10] <superm1_> haven't talked to him since that
[08:10] <superm1_> i was gonna join #knoppmyth after release and see what he thinks of it at least
[08:18] <superm1> imbrandon, you here?
[08:28] <imbrandon> yea
[08:28] <imbrandon> for a minute
[08:28] <imbrandon> wasup
[08:28] <imbrandon> ?
[08:28] <imbrandon> superm1, ^^
[08:29] <superm1> hey imbrandon - wanted to poke about the community buildds again
[08:29] <superm1> see whats the status with them
[08:29] <imbrandon> ahh right, i need to get one more back online, there is A NEW .fr one and one from .ca i need to get going this weekend
[08:30] <superm1> you have them scattered across the world?
[08:30] <imbrandon> i have 5 in the same datacenter as the myth server
[08:30] <imbrandon> but the others are arround the world
[08:30] <superm1> ah neat
[08:31] <superm1> so is there an i386 one that can be used for builds as of yet then?
[08:31] <superm1> or no
[08:31] <imbrandon> yea there is one in the DC that i can use for it , its a p4 2.6 with 2gb ram
[08:31] <imbrandon> that should be ok
[08:31] <imbrandon> i need to reload it
[08:32] <imbrandon> shouldent take me very long
[08:32] <superm1> okay cool.  i'll be around irc the next 5 or 6 hours - so just ping me
[08:32] <imbrandon> kk