=== jono_ [n=jono@88-107-9-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:46] jono: Welcome Mr Bacon and how is life [12:47] OpenMedia: hey, good thanks :) [12:47] jono: looking forward to Ubuntu Live or is it all still a bit crazy at the moment. [12:47] Myself and Cherie will be attending from NZ [12:47] probably more excited for LUGRadio this weekend i'd think :) [12:48] superm1: Having fun with alpha2 on virtual box. Maybe my virtualbox environment as it never boots first time. [12:48] it never boots the first time? [12:48] Need to clear a spare HD to do a real install. Most of my disks have active images at the moment [12:48] as in to the live cd? [12:49] 90% of my test installs are in virtual box.... [12:49] On virtualbox the liveCD boots, I select the mode from the boot Menu and then I'm left with a "_" in the top right of the screen that doesn't go away. [12:49] did you check the md5sum on the iso? [12:50] Yeah.. Fine. [12:50] wow weird. [12:50] and you choosed Linux 2.6 for the OS type? [12:50] when you set up virtual box [12:51] Yup [12:51] Safe graphics mode usually works if I reset the guest and reboot [12:52] so this has happened before? [12:52] Always happens. [12:52] are you on virtual box 1.4? [12:52] or older [12:53] Might be my VB install. I really need to redo the feisty install it is living on, and yeah its 1.4 [12:53] yea because i've never had that happen [01:00] what's wrong with the feisty install otherwise that needs to be redone? [01:11] Its on one of my sandboxes and has a lot of junk (Xen + KVM + VB) that might be conflicting [01:11] Also VB is very very slow [01:11] ick yea that is quite a mess [01:12] okay i think i'm about done for today here. I'm gonna get home [01:12] -cya === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:54] OpenMedia: you still there? I was reading your problem about the virtual Machine with the LiveCD === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-49-185.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:24] superm1: hey..how goes it? [04:24] ok. just got back home a little bit ago [04:56] working hard again? === foxbuntu_ is now known as foxbuntu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:22] foxbuntu, yea just got a big piece that was needed, mythbuntu-default-settings published today [05:22] still waiting on Daviey's metas though :) === superm1_ throws a rock at Daviey === foxbuntu /help === foxbuntu slaps superm1_ with a dork stamp === foxbuntu thinks to himself about a nice feature of gaim... === foxbuntu wonders if everyone might use it === foxbuntu thinks it might be called... === foxbuntu .... === foxbuntu ALIASES [06:26] foxbuntu: Sorry out for a couple of hours. [06:26] foxbuntu: so got some virtualbox tips? [06:27] I have bad luck using the default scsi drivers [06:28] what driver does it use right now? [06:28] I forget what the default is and I dont have that machine which me at the moment [06:29] as I recall switching to LSILogic fixes alot of issues [06:29] Thats with vmware isn't it? [06:29] I'm using virtualbox [06:29] same with virtualbox [06:30] Yeah the disk I/O is shocking even using an ISO as the DVD [06:30] running vmstat in the host shows no load issues, but the guest is painfully slow [06:31] are you running an ATI card too? [06:31] Nope NVIDIA [06:31] k [06:31] with the binary driver [06:32] shouldnt make an issue either way..nvidia is good.. [06:32] but switch the scsi driver out and try again [06:32] it all points to a thrashing hdd [06:32] How can I do that? [06:32] Yeah it looks to be thrashing somewhere down low [06:32] stop the VM [06:33] then go to the directory where you are storing them [06:33] and edit the config file for the VM [06:34] its prob set to something like buslink [06:34] you should see a line for scsi drivers [06:35] Hard disk is ide0 master [06:37] you should see a line for drivers as well [06:37] can you send me your conf? [06:39] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28756 [06:40] foxbuntu: back in 5 [06:40] k [06:48] superm1_: you here? [06:48] or is your screen still inop? [06:48] yes atm [06:49] foxbuntu: back :) [06:49] ok [06:50] I was wrong about that config...I forgot that you cant change that in VB [06:50] but, I do have some other ideas I am tracking down [06:51] where in the boot process does the LiveCD stop again? [06:53] SMP motherboard not detected. [06:53] I'm running feisty on an Asus M2NPV-VM with an Athlon X2 3600 [06:54] Now if I just reboot the boot the vbox instance the boot is clean and works, but is very very slow [06:55] do you have the kernel modules installed? [06:55] Running a vanilla 2.6.20-16-generic kernel. Physical 512 and guest is 160 [06:55] vboxdrv [06:55] well 160MB of Ram on a livecd will run slow [06:56] that mostly going to swap and thats why your drive is thrashing [06:56] and when the swap really is a virtual file on a real drive...then its even slower [06:57] buy yourself 1gb of ram [06:57] I just got a 1GB DDR2 for my laptop for $43 with shipping [06:58] Ah. Ok. [06:58] I have a 2Gb stick due next week. It was supposed to arrive today [06:58] ever shopped with newegg.com? [06:59] I'm in New Zealand so no.. They won't ship this far [06:59] oh [06:59] I do have a trade account with MA Labs who supply newegg though [06:59] thats too bad [06:59] I have spent alot of money with them in the last few years [07:00] I have trade accounts here in NZ because of myPVR (http://www.mypvr.co.nz) [07:00] So my pricing is good :) [07:00] Any ideas on the SCSI error? [07:01] what scsi error? [07:01] Sorry.. SCSI on the brain. The SMP error [07:02] that is the guest o/s? [07:02] Yup [07:02] hmm [07:02] Akways on the first boot [07:03] CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+ stepping 02 [07:03] SMP motherboard not detected [07:04] Do a reboot in the guest and its fine... I'll check the virtual box forums [07:04] sounds like VB isnt grabbing the right info off your MB for your proc [07:04] afaik virtual box doesn't do SMP [07:04] it only will work for the first core [07:05] well there ya go [07:05] I was getting to that [07:05] that doesn't stop it from "functioning" [07:05] just it doesnt activate on both cores [07:05] what about enabling this: [07:10] Ok increasing the RAM helped. Running at 160 was a false economy. Much faster with 320Mb. [07:10] I'll try the HardwareVirtEx later. [07:10] k [07:11] Finally at the installer [07:12] lol [07:13] congrats [07:13] OpenMedia, ah great :) [07:16] Yeah.. Time to pull out a drive and try it on the ream mypvr hardware though. [07:17] superm1_: Would you like a profile for SkyStar2 DVB-S cards. They don't appear to be on the list [07:17] Sure OpenMedia. What driver do they use? [07:17] cx88_dvb? [07:19] nope. [07:19] hang on I'll check the driver [07:19] b2c2_flexcop [07:19] the profiles aren't activated in alpha 2 yet - but that should auto modprobe anyhow [07:20] Ok.. Just checking as I didn't see it in the driver list [07:28] OpenMedia, coming from working with knoppmyth, how does our install process compare? [07:28] i haven't actually done a knoppmyth or mythdora install ever [07:29] A lot more painful.. [07:29] ours is? [07:29] Knoppmyth just kinda worked. [07:30] w/ regard to what? [07:30] you mean the booting of the virtual session - [07:30] Been a while as we use a golden image for our boxes now. [07:30] or you mean the install procedure [07:30] The install just feels harder. Also it doesn't do Lirc and IRBlaster stuff [07:31] Plus It would be good to capture a locale -> TV Standards map for mythtv-setup [07:31] does knoppmyth handle that map? [07:31] Nope. [07:31] ah okay [07:32] Yours is a lot prettier ;) [07:32] could you comment what feels "harder" about it? [07:32] lirc stuff is still on its way yet - but i've got a few more things i'm working on automating before hand [07:32] I'd need to re-do a knoppmyth to be honest. [07:32] Been tooo long [07:33] okay - then a more directed question [07:33] what does this need yet to be easier? [07:33] Anything I can help with lirc or irblaster? [07:33] Select Country -> Finish [07:33] i need to talk to the umc guy working on it before i touch it but likely you will be able to help with the lirc stuff as soon i talk to him [07:33] haha [07:34] well what if i'm in italy but dont speak italian? [07:34] say i speak russian [07:34] or what if i hate mythcontrols [07:34] and dont want it installed [07:34] Well almost. Class of MythTV, Country, Modify settings. [07:34] Anything other than Class of Mythtv (front/back/combined) and country standards is advanced install or power user mode [07:35] including proprietary drivers and tuner selection? [07:36] All should be auto detected [07:36] Thats what knoppmyth does. [07:36] well the code is there for the proprietary driver detection [07:36] but i dont want to activate it unless the user wants it [07:36] when you hit that check box, "Enable proprietary driver" [07:36] it detects what you have [07:37] and writes a xorg.conf based upon your tv out selections [07:37] Sadly you both still need to work through a lot of the mythtv-setup screens. With myPVR the aim is the customer never has to see those screens. [07:37] that's my goal too here [07:37] with the support that i'm working on tonight [07:37] to prefill the mysql tables as much as possible [07:37] proprietary driver stuff -> Great. I'll let you know when I've done a bare bones install. [07:38] but some of that is still dependent on what's picked for tuners and such [07:38] Also I personally recommend enabling delete files slowly as a default. Prevents lots of I/O errors [07:38] i'm going to detect the file system [07:38] its installed on [07:38] and if its ext3 [07:38] turn it on [07:38] Ah sweet. [07:38] are there any other file systems that need it? [07:38] Reiser. [07:39] reiser is such a bad idea for a myth box though from what i've heard [07:39] .... [07:39] Didn't bother with XFS because of issues shrinking filesystems [07:39] i use xfs here at home [07:39] no complaints for what i've needed it for [07:39] Yeah I might use it as the default if we switch to Mythbuntu. [07:40] something that will need work yet is partitioning [07:40] the other two meta distros - how do they handle such things? [07:40] It will be great when 0.21 is out with the storage pools. [07:41] Knoppmyth lets you chose file system. [07:41] but does it do many partitions? [07:41] or how does it break it up [07:42] One other nice thing would be an option for a small root, and a large LVM based /var/lib/mythtv filesystem [07:42] Knoppmyth does [07:42] root [07:42] swap [07:42] /myth/ [07:42] well the problem here is that ubiquity doesn't have LVM support [07:42] that would be quite a coding effort to add [07:43] Real pain. But with the new storage pools less of an issue. [07:43] i'm really hoping that they don't release 0.21 like a month after mythbuntu 7.10 [07:43] or something ridiculous like that [07:44] still hovering at 99 tickets or so [07:45] I'm waiting on the mythmultiplex stuff. Looking close now. Daniel has just released the DVB-S support [07:45] is it going into 0.21, or sticking as a sep. branch? [07:47] Still in a branch at the moment, but its looking quite close. [07:50] Hmm, my VB guest is still trying to reboot.. Odd [07:51] you can give it a jolt with [host key] + r [07:51] i believe [07:52] Yeah.. Was trying to avoid that one [08:00] Ok install was pretty sweet. [08:01] I'll have a play with a real physical install tomorrow and see what HW breaks === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FCBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:07] :) [08:08] i think if i've got anything going for it on this install - it should be speed [08:08] If you are only using a remote control there is no easy way to select shutdown. [08:08] that install didn't take more than 10-15 minutes once you had the thing booting the live cd finally [08:08] yeah all the pain was the virtual environment. [08:09] last year when the idea for this was conceptualized [08:09] i had one goal [08:09] Just burning the install to a disk to try on a real environment [08:09] install faster than 29 minutes :) === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:10] the last thing i said to cecil when discussing moving knoppmyth to ubuntu was that i'll beat that goal [08:10] Install + setup under 29 minutes would be good. I always feel too many of Myth's standard settings are wrong for consumers. [08:10] Yeah how is he taking the competition [08:10] haven't talked to him since that [08:10] i was gonna join #knoppmyth after release and see what he thinks of it at least === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === lashmoov2 [n=Tommy_Bo@adsl-065-015-057-251.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === lashmoov2 [n=Tommy_Bo@adsl-065-015-057-251.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === n4LR [n=n4LR@mail.trinityvideo.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:18] imbrandon, you here? [08:28] yea [08:28] for a minute [08:28] wasup [08:28] ? [08:28] superm1, ^^ [08:29] hey imbrandon - wanted to poke about the community buildds again [08:29] see whats the status with them [08:29] ahh right, i need to get one more back online, there is A NEW .fr one and one from .ca i need to get going this weekend [08:30] you have them scattered across the world? [08:30] i have 5 in the same datacenter as the myth server [08:30] but the others are arround the world [08:30] ah neat [08:31] so is there an i386 one that can be used for builds as of yet then? [08:31] or no [08:31] yea there is one in the DC that i can use for it , its a p4 2.6 with 2gb ram [08:31] that should be ok [08:31] i need to reload it [08:32] shouldent take me very long [08:32] okay cool. i'll be around irc the next 5 or 6 hours - so just ping me [08:32] kk === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv