[12:30] <vidd> darwin81, yes
[12:32] <TheSheep> alt+shift+numlock
[12:32] <TheSheep> then use the numbpad
[12:38] <vidd> is there a know fix?
[12:38] <vidd> The synchronize now button is grey'd out
[12:53] <vidd> anyone know how to get the time synchonization to work?
[12:53] <maxamillion> vidd: change it manually and then i believe the synchronize button will become active (i think this might be a bug)
[12:54] <vidd> maxamillion, how? and where?
[12:54] <maxamillion> vidd: in the change time app in Applications->System->Date&Time
[12:55] <maxamillion> i gotta go, getting off work
[12:55] <vidd> what is current time?
[12:56] <maxamillion> vidd: my time zone? 17:56
[12:57] <vidd> then it aint working
[12:57] <vidd> =\
[12:57] <maxamillion> stellar
[12:59] <maxamillion> weird, normally it is off by hours, not halves
[12:59] <vidd> the time zone is right....
[12:59] <Pumpernickel> Maybe it's synched to Newfoundland time.
[12:59] <maxamillion> lol
[12:59] <vidd> just the TIME is off
[01:00] <maxamillion> i gotta run
[01:00] <maxamillion> vidd: i think "sudo date -s 1800" should correct it .... irrc
[01:00] <maxamillion> laters
[01:16] <servaas-xubuntu-> wat een stilte xubuntu is te makkelijk aan het worden :-)
[02:00] <cheeseboy> can anyone tell me whats causing this http://rafb.net/p/NtDCS379.html error when i try to compile mysqltcl ? and how do i fix?
[02:08] <Pumpernickel> What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[02:11] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, do you know if its possible to fix a stab problem. that when the machine boots fstab errors and remounts as readonly... so i cant modify the fstab
[02:11] <Pumpernickel> Yeah, use a livecd.
[02:11] <Jester45> well
[02:12] <Jester45> its an off-site server
[02:12] <Pumpernickel> Get the server maintainer to use a livecd.
[02:12] <Jester45> darn
[02:12] <Jester45> thats gonna take a bit
[03:59] <gerro> hello everyone
[03:59] <illu45> hi
[04:02] <gerro> illu45: how things going?
[04:02] <illu45> gerro, pretty good, thanks. IRC is a bit dead tonight, it seems :(. How are you?
[04:06] <gerro> illu45: ah fine just trying to learn how to use a printer. sorry was getting some coffee too
[04:07] <illu45> gerro, ah, np :). Got a new printer, then?
[04:07] <gerro> illu45: its a lexmark x83 one of those multi ones scanner/printer/whatever
[04:08] <illu45> Ah, nice :). Does it work with Uby, then?
[04:08] <gerro> I figured out have to use z42 driver with it but problem is I don't know what sort of connection a plugin through usb would be called
[04:08] <gerro> well printing works but scanner doesn't (had trouble with that too when on windows scanned dark blobs)
[04:09] <wetodd> hey i started out with gnome (dapper) then installed xfce and deleted gnome, and now my add/remove programs thing is gone, can i bring it back?
[04:09] <gerro> wetodd: you did it wrong
[04:09] <gerro> wetodd: do apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:09] <wetodd> fuck
[04:09] <gerro> might want to also add --purge option to ubuntu-desktop thing
[04:09] <gerro> wetodd: everything alright
[04:09] <vidd_laptop> !language | wetodd
[04:09] <ubotu> wetodd: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:09] <gerro> just do apt-get install gnome
[04:10] <wetodd> and then how do i remove gnome after that? and when i remove gnome again will add/remove still be there?
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> question....how do i use a live cd to fix my fstab/
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> ?
[04:10] <gerro> xubuntu uses parts of gnome
[04:10] <gerro> vidd_laptop: fstab is in /etc
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> ok....
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> so i have the live cd in.....
[04:11] <gerro> so mount your hard drive with livecd and check there
[04:11] <wetodd> becausei dont have a really good machine, its got a small HD so gnome was taking up space that wasnt being used, so should i keep gnome or what?
[04:11] <illu45> wetodd, afaik, the Add/Remove is a gnome app. I'm not sure if there's a xfce alternative to it or not
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> gerro, how do you mount your hard drive from the live cd?
[04:11] <gerro> wetodd: its best to do a regular xubuntu install because installing ubuntu then setting it up as xubuntu does sometimes leave left over programs
[04:12] <gerro> vidd_laptop: it will be displayed on desktop just click it
[04:12] <wetodd> gerro: should i get rid of all desktop enviornments then install xubuntu?
[04:12] <wetodd> i cant get an xubuntu CD
[04:13] <gerro> wetodd: look remove the ubuntu-desktop package and install the xubuntu-desktop package, also install whatever you removed
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> wetodd, what DO you have?6.10?
[04:13] <wetodd> 6.06 i had problems upgrading
[04:13] <wetodd> i want 6.10 but i get some weird error
[04:13] <gerro> 6.06 is good, I had same issue while back with converting ubuntu to xubuntu because I did a network based install
[04:14] <illu45> vidd_laptop, the drives should be automounted with the LiveCD
[04:14] <gerro> wetodd: if its an older machine then might want to stick with dapper its bit more stable and customizable
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> illu45, welll......its not
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> all i have on the desktop is examples and install
[04:15] <illu45> Hm...
[04:15] <wetodd> gerro: thank you
[04:16] <illu45> vidd_laptop, what do you get if you type "mount" (minus quotes) in a terminal window?
[04:16] <gerro> wetodd: no problem and a little tip if its a laptop and uses a battery don't use that battery monitor plugin for panel
[04:16] <gerro> wetodd: it automatically spawns an icon when unplugged and that one doesn't make the panel all big lookin
[04:17] <wetodd> got it, thanks again, later
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> illu45, all kinds of stuff......what am i looking for?
[04:19] <illu45> vidd_laptop, there should be something mounted from /dev/ to /media/, probably something like hdc1, or sda1. The filesystem should be written beside it, too
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> i have udev on dev
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> nothing goes to media
[04:20] <illu45> Hm...
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> if it matters..im usining 6.10 live
[04:21] <gerro> should still work the same
[04:21] <gerro> I think
[04:21] <gerro> can you try loading up feisty?
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> sure
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> let me dl it
[04:22] <NKUMike> Can anyone who has Synergy walk me through setting up the client on xubuntu and the server on xp and connecting the two?
[04:23] <gerro> NKUMike: wow that thing sounds kool, I'll look into it some
[04:24] <NKUMike> ha alright
[04:24] <gerro> NKUMike: what do you use it for?
[04:25] <NKUMike> I havent set it up yet but I have two computers attached to the same monitor and I am tired of having two keyboards and mice
[04:25] <gerro> how do you have 2 computers hooked to same monitor?
[04:25] <crimsun> KVM, possibly?
[04:25] <illu45> through a monitor switch, I'm assuming
[04:26] <vidd_laptop> gerro, that's easy...you get a moniter switch
[04:26] <illu45> hehe
[04:26] <gerro> okay..
[04:26] <vidd_laptop> you can use them to share the same keyboard and mouse too
[04:26] <Jester45> yep
[04:26] <NKUMike> My monitor has both a vga connection and a dvi connection so I put one in each port
[04:26] <Jester45> or that
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> mine works by double-tapping the scroll lock key
[04:27] <NKUMike> wow that sounds nice, I have to go through the monitor menu to switch the source (very annoying)
[04:27] <stevej> If you still have two keyboards and mice, you may want to look into the program "synergy"
[04:28] <NKUMike> stevej: that was my question I was looking for someone who could walk me through it, as I am a total newb
[04:28] <gerro> lol
[04:29] <stevej> Aren't we all!
[04:29] <NKUMike> I guess
[04:29] <NKUMike> Do you have it set up?
[04:30] <stevej> The manual page is beter than most, it has very good instructions.
[04:30] <NKUMike> on their website?
[04:30] <stevej> NKUMike - Yes, on my kids machines.
[04:30] <Jester45> NKUMike, man synergy
[04:31] <NKUMike> no manual entry for synergy
[04:31] <Jester45> do you have it installed?
[04:31] <NKUMike> man synergyc
[04:31] <stevej> Do you have it installed?
[04:31] <NKUMike> yeah
[04:31] <Jester45> hehe
[04:32] <stevej> Try man synergyc
[04:32] <stevej> and syneryd
[04:32] <stevej> The client connection and deamon server.
[04:32] <NKUMike> yeah synergyc worked
[04:32] <gerro> Parrellel Port #1, Parallel Port #2, LPT # 1, Serial Port # 1, AppSocket/HP JetDirect, HP Fax (HPLIP), HP Printer(HPLIP), Internet Printing Protocol (ipp), LPD/LPR Host or Printer, Windows Printer via SAMBA, Other. which do I pick for "Bus 003 Device 002: ID 043d:003d Lexmark International, Inc. X83 Scan/Print/Copy"
[04:33] <gerro> that is what lsusb says :/
[04:33] <Jester45> !paste
[04:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:33] <stevej> Sorry, synergys for the server, synergyc for the client.
[04:34] <NKUMike> yeah, on another note, is there a vnc server automatically installed with xubuntue?
[04:34] <gerro> Jester45: who you talking to?
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> server....no
[04:34] <NKUMike> alright thanks
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> NKUMike, you can always just apt-get it
[04:35] <gerro> NKUMike: I was hoping to setup vnc over ssh or some equivalent, heard of nxserver too
[04:35] <stevej> I don't think so, vin is bundled in with gnome, Ubuntu left it out of Xuby.
[04:35] <stevej> Sorry, vino.
[04:35] <gerro> vino?
[04:35] <NKUMike> vidd_laptop: do you have a particular fave?
[04:35] <gerro> !vino
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vino - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <stevej> NXServer rocks!
[04:35] <NKUMike> really?
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> NKUMike, nope....ssh works fine for me
[04:35] <gerro> stevej: any clue how to set it up though?
[04:36] <gerro> maybe a good guide
[04:36] <NKUMike> !NXServer
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nxserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <gerro> NKUMike: its not in repositories, dont' know how much of it is gpl licensed
[04:36] <stevej> I set up my own archive of all of the relevent packages from nomachines website.
[04:37] <NKUMike> stevej: what is the client like? Similar to vnc in portability?
[04:37] <stevej> It isn't gpl (some parts are), but it's free for personal use.
[04:37] <gerro> NKUMike: supposedly its like lite vnc with extra options
[04:37] <NKUMike> ohhh ahhh extra options
[04:38] <stevej> It's much faster, has sound and data transfer, is more secure and has better color rendition, other than that, it just rocks.
[04:38] <NKUMike> Sounds good to me
[04:39] <stevej> i have a version installed on a damnsmalllinux CD that autostarts and connects to my server here at home.
[04:39] <gerro> stevej: omg I always wanted to do that
[04:41] <stevej> It works very well, I can run it from a workstation at the local library (wow do they freak), the rout usually goes from Cincinnati, Ohio, to Chicago, then St. Lois, then back here to Cinci. I can play jezball to level 12 on that connection.
[04:42] <gerro> stevej: is second post of this thread all that's needed? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204976 what about generating your own key?
[04:46] <Jester45> anyone know how to access a SD card that is inside of a mp3 player? i can look inside the mp3 player but not the card
[04:47] <Jester45> on windows it makes the card a seprate device (letter)
[04:47] <stevej> Here's everything I did to get the packages in;  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28751/
[04:48] <gerro> yay thx stevej
[04:48] <gerro> umm?
[04:49] <NKUMike> I am confused too
[04:49] <NKUMike> How do you install an rpm that is on the desktop?
[04:50] <stevej> I just installed the .debs that are listed at the bottom (ignore the previous versions), and it worked, I didn't make any changes to keys, but I did go back later and have ssh run on a different port.
[04:51] <stevej> I didn't install the .rpms, but I run a number of different servers, I got the clients for windblows, redhat and debian.
[04:51] <stevej> All I installed on the Ubuntu box was the .deb files.
[04:51] <NKUMike> Where are the deb files?
[04:52] <stevej> But the proper way to install a .rpm in debian is to use alien to converrt it to a .deb
[04:53] <stevej> I downloaded them from the nomachine.com website into a directory on my local machine, /usr/local/deb-pax/
[04:53] <gerro> yeah I was wondering what all that mess was you wrote
[04:53] <gerro> lot of comments # :)
[04:53] <stevej> It helps my aged and feeble brain.
[04:56] <stevej> By keeping my own repository, when nomachine releases an update, I can download the packages, run the script, and then synaptic catches the update and keeps everything running nicely. Even gets the dependencies fixed up nicely.
[04:57] <gerro> ohh
[04:57] <stevej> NKUMike, are you in the Erlanger area?
[04:57] <gerro> that sort of makes sense
[04:58] <NKUMike> covington
[04:58] <stevej> You should drop by our meeting sometime; http://www.clug.org/
[04:59] <NKUMike> Sweet I will have to check that out!
[04:59] <gerro> my printer setup program keeps saying "database error you will need to install the 'gutenprint-foomatic' package
[04:59] <gerro> I have that and several other packages though
[04:59] <stevej> About 25 of us, but you just missed the picnic.
[05:00] <NKUMike> oh well
[05:00] <stevej> By the way, all you need on the server end is nxnode and nxserver.
[05:01] <stevej> I haven't been able to get nxplugin working yet, but I'm hopeful for this weekend.
[05:01] <gerro> nxplugin?
[05:02] <stevej> It's a webserver, feeds out a java client so you can load any app or a full desktop in a web page, sort of.
[05:03] <gerro> ohhh yeah I saw that before
[05:03] <gerro>  tell me how it goes kay
[05:03] <stevej> actually it's content for a webserver, not the server itself.
[05:03] <NKUMike> Once the deb is installed do I need to keep the deb file?
[05:04] <gerro> NKUMike: nope
[05:04] <NKUMike> All is installed now for the config!
[05:04] <gerro> nkumike: in fact think you can delete your whole /var to remove all logs and deb caches
[05:05] <gerro> I had to do that for a comp booting off small flash drive
[05:06] <NKUMike> how small was it!
[05:06] <stevej> And my question for the night, I have installed xubuntu on a laptop and a desktop, both do the same thing, when I open a terminal through "Applications, Accessories, Terminal", I get an immediate logout.
[05:07] <s|k> what music player is on xubuntu by default?
[05:07] <gerro> nkumike: 4gb so plenty of space
[05:07] <s|k> I can't find it
[05:07] <stevej> I wouldn't recommend rm /var you might loose things you'd rather keep around..
[05:07] <NKUMike> Anyone know where the NX server installs itself?
[05:07] <s|k> is it amarok?
[05:08] <NKUMike> nevermind on that question
[05:08] <Jester45> NKUMike, you can open snyaptics and kinds where
[05:08] <legacygti> can i ask a really simple question?
[05:08] <Jester45> right click on the name and click advance or properties
[05:08] <stevej> You shouldn't need to change the config, give it a try befor playing.
[05:08] <legacygti> or is there a newbie channel somewhere?
[05:09] <stevej> You just asked two.
[05:09] <legacygti> true
[05:09] <gerro> mail, cache, log, spool, tmp from /var can be deleted though, wasn't too sure about rest
[05:09] <stevej> This is the newbie channel, ask away.
[05:09] <legacygti> where is the device manager in xubuntu, i am trying to see if my network cards are installed correctly
[05:09] <legacygti> and google has failed me already
[05:10] <NKUMike> stevej: so I dont need to edit the ssh config file or anything?
[05:10] <gerro> legacygti: lshw, lsusb, ifconfig
[05:10] <stevej> I didn't.
[05:11] <stevej> Just try running the client and connect to localhost, with your own or another users credentials.
[05:11] <NKUMike> How do you start it?
[05:12] <stevej> /usr/NX/bin/nxclient in a terminal, then you can see if there is any ugliness in it's output.
[05:12] <NKUMike> how do you start the server?
[05:13] <stevej> It starts when you make the connection, very cool really.
[05:13] <NKUMike> Also I have the /usr/NX/bin set as the working directory and i type nxclient and it says command not found
[05:13] <NKUMike> However I am also looking right at the executable in a file explorer
[05:13] <NKUMike> Woah nevermind it has a GUI!!!
[05:14] <stevej> Type the full path and filename in a terminal, see if that helps.
[05:14] <NKUMike> what would be the host for the local machine, I never understood that is it just like 127.0.0.1 or something like that?
[05:15] <stevej> Correct, or the word localhost
[05:15] <NKUMike> alright thanks
[05:16] <NKUMike> connection refused
[05:16] <stevej> Set it to encrypt all data, not just the setup.
[05:17] <legacygti> if i have a 4 port hub, and i want to share the internet and i want to share the internet between my linux box and my windows box do i need to use ipmasquerading??
[05:17] <stevej> Do you have openssh-server installed?
[05:18] <NKUMike> yes I do
[05:18] <stevej> Can you 'ssh localhost'?
[05:19] <NKUMike> connection refused
[05:20] <stevej> What is the output of 'dpkg --get-selections | grep openssh' without the quotes?
[05:21] <soccerdud> Hey everyone, I'm having a problem installing xUbuntu, I'm getting an error when installing saying "Out of memory: kill process 3116 (localledef)
[05:21] <NKUMike> stevej: client and server install
[05:21] <stevej> How about 'ssh 127.0.0.1'?
[05:22] <stevej> If the later works, your /etc/hosts file may be torked.
[05:23] <NKUMike> connection refused
[05:23] <NKUMike> should i just reinstall openssh?
[05:23] <stevej> If it doesn't, your ssh server may be.
[05:24] <stevej> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[05:24] <stevej> might help.
[05:24] <stevej> Or at least give you clues.
[05:25] <soccerdud> anyone have an idea on my problem? googled it and found nothing on this error :-\
[05:25] <stevej> I wouldn't go to such extremes.
[05:26] <stevej> soccerdud: How much memory in your machine? Have you checked the package integrity and run the memory test?
[05:26] <NKUMike> yeah my config file was messed up, now its fixed and it looks like I am in business
[05:27] <gerro> umm.. "
[05:27] <gerro> A malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session or you may have just clicked a menu or some application just decided to get focus." wtf?
[05:27] <gerro> first time I had that happen..
[05:27] <stevej> All of your focus belong to us.
[05:27] <gerro> think I clicked applications menu second time before synaptic asked for password
[05:27] <gerro> stevej: lol nice one
[05:28] <NKUMike> stevej: Now I am getting from NX, Server bit ubstakked ir NX access disabled
[05:28] <stevej> ??
[05:28] <NKUMike> Wow I don't know what I typed there,
[05:28] <gerro> nkumike: haha you been ubstakked :P
[05:28] <NKUMike> Server not installed or NX access disabled
[05:29] <NKUMike> yep
[05:31] <soccerdud> stevej: sry I walked awy from the computer...
[05:31] <soccerdud> stevej: it has 64MB
[05:31] <soccerdud> its an old computer, just trying to do somethign with
[05:31] <stevej> That's tight, really tight.
[05:32] <soccerdud> hmm alright
[05:32] <stevej> Sounds like a router project to me.
[05:33] <NKUMike> stevej: You have any idea whats up with the NXServer?
[05:33] <stevej> NKUMike: Can you check that the nx user was added to your machine? grep nx /etc/passwd
[05:33] <soccerdud> stevej: are you talking to me?
[05:34] <stevej> soccerdude: no, that was aimed at my neighbor, Mike.
[05:35] <soccerdud> alright.. well thanks for your help!
[05:35] <soccerdud> I'lls ee if I can get small amount of RAM for it
[05:36] <NKUMike> stevej: I got the following  nx:x:113:65534::/usr/NX/home/nx:/usr/NX/bin/nxserver
[05:36] <NKUMike> I actually got past that one part, but now I am getting NX server has refused the connection
[05:37] <battra> anyone know how menus are edited in xubuntu?
[05:37] <Jester45> !nice
[05:37] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:38] <Jester45> the higher the nice the lower the priority right?
[05:38] <gerro> I think
[05:38] <battra> I installed Linneighborhood, but it's not showing up in the menu.  Anyone know how to go about editing the menu?
[05:39] <gerro> Jester45: I mainly use that command for beryl to open non xgl enhanced x sessions with high priority for my full screen gaming :)
[05:40] <gerro> wish there was a guide on that maybe I should write one
[05:40] <NKUMike> ahhh!
[05:40] <stevej> NKUMike: can you pastebin the config for your session? ~/.nx/config/*.nxs
[05:41] <NKUMike> I fixed it! I didn't run the install scripts
[05:41] <stevej> Install script?
[05:41] <NKUMike>  sudo /usr/NX/scripts/setup/nxnode --install
[05:41] <NKUMike> then same for the server
[05:42] <stevej> Doh, I remember that - yes you need to do that.
[05:42] <NKUMike> yeah, longest install of my life!
[05:43] <NKUMike> Do you remember what you use for settings?  The part where you can choose unix, windows vnc and then where you can choose kde gnome or xdm?
[05:43] <stevej> I use nx between my laptop and server on a dialup, it's pretty nice.
[05:46] <stevej> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28753/
[05:47] <stevej> That covers all of the values I use.
[05:47] <NKUMike> Where do you put that?
[05:49] <NKUMike> nevermind I got it
[05:49] <NKUMike> thanks
[05:50] <stevej> That's _part_ of my ~/.nx/config/MySelf.nxs
[05:50] <stevej> Don't copy it in, it won't work.
[05:50] <NKUMike> oh ok
[05:50] <NKUMike> brb going to go try to install nx client on windows
[05:51] <stevej> It doesn't have the stuff at the bottom that has to do with authintication.
[05:52] <gerro> stevej: to use nx you need ssh server too though right? how do I disable the use of ssh except for nxclient
[05:53] <stevej> I don't think you would want to, but let me think a moment.
[05:54] <gerro> that's sort of what I was asking earlier
[05:56] <stevej> Gerro: You can try adding 'AllowUsers nx' to your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file, I don't know if that will work or not.
[05:57] <stevej> Why do you wish to limit the greatest server in the history of *nix?
[05:59] <stevej> It's the only port I leave open 24/7, but I do have pam disabled.
[06:00] <NKUMike> stevej: I guess I couldn't figure this out from your config file but what is the desktop you use?
[06:00] <stevej> I use gnome.
[06:01] <stevej> Line #29 in the pasty.
[06:01] <NKUMike> Thats what I thought but I am getting this error: cannot run gnome-session etc
[06:01] <NKUMike> does xubuntu have gnome installed by default?
[06:01] <stevej> Are you trying to connect to xubuntu?
[06:01] <NKUMike> yes
[06:01] <Jester45> no... thats why its xubuntu
[06:02] <NKUMike> thats what I thought
[06:02] <stevej> No, it doesn't, hold on.
[06:04] <stevej> Try "Desktop Unix Custom" and then "Run default x client script on server"
[06:05] <NKUMike> cannot run /etc/X11/xdm/Xsessoion same as the gnome error
[06:07] <Jester45> NKUMike, gnome is installable ubuntu-desktop is the meta package with all the other packages to isntall it
[06:07] <Dave_> hello all
[06:07] <NKUMike> I think I got it I just had to tell it to run startxfce4
[06:07] <Jester45> hi Dave_
[06:09] <stevej> That's it.
[06:10] <Dave_> I am having trouble with my installation
[06:11] <Jester45> Dave_, thats nice, do you have any details?
[06:11] <Dave_> i reinstalled my xbuntu and did the required upgrades just fine, but then I tried to install the nvidia drivers like on wiki site
[06:12] <Dave_> but then I can re-log into my linux, it says can't start x and it says can not find my card, and it points to PCI when my card is Agp
[06:12] <Jester45> Dave_, you might want to try the restricted drivers manager
[06:12] <Jester45> Dave_, look at your /etc/xorg.conf and tell us what driver your device is using
[06:12] <Dave_> but I can not get into the desktop? is there a way to do it with the cd?
[06:13] <Dave_> darn I wrote it down but I left it at my house I am on another comp
[06:13] <Dave_> didnt occur to me to bring the paper
[06:13] <Dave_> sry
[06:13] <Jester45> just look into the xorg and tell me what card your using
[06:13] <Dave_> but the driver is Nvidia tho
[06:14] <Jester45> thats the non-opensource on correct
[06:14] <Dave_> i am onanother comp right now so cant look into the xorg on my comp sry, but the driver was nvidia under the device setting
[06:14] <stevej> Goodnight folks!
[06:15] <Jester45> was before the messing with driver or after
[06:15] <Jester45> night
[06:15] <Dave_> hmm do not know, also I remember the glx is there also for the load area
[06:15] <Jester45> well
[06:15] <NKUMike> See ya Steve thanks for your help!
[06:15] <Dave_> I couldnt get into my desktop after I ran the install
[06:16] <stevej> My ypleasure.
[06:16] <Jester45> make sure you disable the non-opensource driver and try to startx again, if that works then use the driver manager to install
[06:16] <Dave_> I looked on the ubuntu wiki for nvidia and use the instruction there to install the nvidia,but it was for the original ubuntu not xubuntu
[06:16] <Dave_> night steve
[06:16] <Jester45> Dave_, that doesnt matter not with the xserver is the same package
[06:17] <Jester45> xubuntu and ubuntu runs from the same repo
[06:17] <Dave_> how do I disable it? I got into the config file using nano in the command line
[06:17] <Jester45> as do all the other *buntus
[06:17] <Dave_> oh ok
[06:17] <Jester45> replace nvidia with nv
[06:17] <Jester45> and save
[06:18] <Dave_> under the device area correct there is only one I saw correct?
[06:18] <Jester45> the diffreance is the defualt installed packages
[06:18] <Dave_> ok
[06:19] <Dave_> when I get back into my desktop after change if successful, do I use the restricted drivers to install then
[06:19] <Jester45> ubuntu has ubuntu-desktop wich installs gnome and its packages, in xubuntu you have xubuntu-desktop and its xfce.
[06:19] <Jester45> Dave_, yes i would go that way
[06:19] <Dave_> correct, however when I got the error it said to restart gdm when the problem is corrected
[06:20] <Jester45> Dave_, that will get you into the desktop
[06:20] <Dave_> oh ok, even tho it uses xfce the start is gnome lol
[06:20] <Jester45> startx is just a test you can restart gdm via sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:20] <Jester45> no its not gnome
[06:21] <Dave_> oh ok
[06:21] <Jester45> it has some gnome parts like gdm but thats just for a better user experience. you can replace gdm with xdm or kdm if you want a kde variant
[06:22] <Dave_> I need to get familiar with linux again I am so rusty I forgot all I learned from before
[06:23] <Dave_> also a question, do I use apt-get to get wine installed because the I tried the sh WineCVS.sh to install and also used sudo before it but I get an error
[06:24] <Dave_> it says test error or something plus other stuff
[06:24] <Jester45> Dave_, you will want wine's repo for apt its much more uptodate
[06:24] <Jester45> i will help you out with that
[06:24] <Dave_> so use apt-get then?
[06:24] <Jester45> yes
[06:24] <Jester45> but you need to dosomthing else first
[06:24] <Dave_> I have pen and paper I will write it all down and follow it to a T
[06:25] <Dave_> yes Jester?
[06:25] <Jester45> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:25] <Jester45> and add
[06:26] <Jester45> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt feisty main
[06:26] <Jester45> and save
[06:26] <Jester45> then run wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[06:27] <Jester45> then run apt-get update
[06:27] <Jester45> and then apt-get install wine
[06:27] <Jester45> and you will have the most uptodate stable version
[06:30] <Dave_> wow ty so much Jester
[06:30] <Jester45> your welcome
[06:31] <Jester45> o and do you know about tab completion
[06:31] <Jester45> it will save you a lot of keystrokes
[06:31] <Dave_> no never learned that
[06:31] <Jester45>  type je then press tab
[06:32] <Jester45> sometimes you need to go to the 3rd or 4th  letter
[06:32] <Dave_> oh so that will help me from retyping stuff
[06:32] <Dave_> nice I appreciate the advice
[06:32] <Jester45> or from typing JohanSalim a lot or other long names
[06:32] <Jester45> Dave_, you can also use that in the cli
[06:33] <Dave_> in the cli*?
[06:33] <Dave_> do u mean command line
[06:33] <Jester45> try it /et <tab> X1 <tab> xorg <tab>
[06:33] <Jester45> Dave_, Command Line Interface
[06:34] <Dave_> oh ok ty
[06:34] <Jester45> like gui
[06:34] <Jester45> but cli
[06:34] <Dave_> hehe, I told u I was rusty :P
[06:34] <Dave_> it dont even remember the shortcuts
[06:34] <Dave_> I am getting old and I forget to much
[06:37] <Jester45> well im leaveing
[06:37] <Dave_> ty Jester for ur help
[06:37] <Jester45> np
[06:38] <Dave_> I am leaving also ty all
[06:57] <varustah> hi
[06:58] <varustah> is there a floating password dialog option?
[07:01] <varustah> onboard wont work to input system password, can i fix this?
[07:01] <varustah> anyone here?
[07:04] <jbraddoc> Okay I have a few questions, I think the easiest way is to just ask... 1: When I ran the term app on xubuntu, it froze x and restarted it. and 2: When I have x set at a resolution above 800x600 I get four or five columns going through my screen (lines that seem to seperate). The sys is a pIII 700 (i think) compaq deskpro en with 256 mb, 10 gb, intel chipset.
[07:06] <varustah> yo
[07:06] <varustah> can i make floating password dialog in xubuntu? onboard wont input them...
[07:08] <varustah> is there a way to get onboard at the login window?
[07:18] <cellofellow> This may sound stupid, but how do I get it so that images are included in the file when I save an ODT file in OOo?
[07:23] <xen_caapn> i have a problem
[07:23] <xen_caapn> anyone here?
[07:29] <xen_caapn> anyone here me?
[08:11] <txfirehawk> Good evening
[08:11] <Jester45> hi
[08:11] <txfirehawk> got xubuntu installed on my laptop and desktop over the past few days. I am really likin it
[08:12] <txfirehawk> just slow looking up how to's lol
[08:12] <TheSheep> the desktop guide is a nic4e start
[08:12] <Jester45> hi TheSheep
[08:13] <txfirehawk> i have been going thru it
[08:13] <TheSheep> hi Jester45
[08:13] <txfirehawk> so far I have not had to post a ? but it will happen at some point i am sure
[08:13] <txfirehawk> I was blown way with the installer
[08:13] <txfirehawk> blown-away*
[08:14] <Jester45> txfirehawk, live or alt
[08:14] <txfirehawk> just wish the broadcom on the laptop would have worked out of the box. Other than that no major issues
[08:14] <txfirehawk> live
[08:15] <txfirehawk> ah, and updating the nvidia vodeo driver will be quite a task for me, I am pretty new to linux but that that is ok.
[08:15] <txfirehawk> video*
[08:15] <txfirehawk> i need to turn on a light :)
[08:17] <txfirehawk> thought sheep = noob lol
[08:18] <Jester45> nope its a name
[08:18] <Jester45> TheSheep = group of scientist
[08:18] <txfirehawk> cool cool
[08:18] <txfirehawk> kinda like my local braintrust
[08:18] <txfirehawk> ;)
[08:19] <Jester45> or TheSheep = all of google's knowledge
[08:19] <TheSheep> txfirehawk: use the restricted drivers manager in the system menu
[08:20] <TheSheep> Jester45: yes, I know how to use google
[08:20] <txfirehawk> i read about that, hadnt tried it yet
[08:20] <Jester45> TheSheep, not use it... you are it
[08:20] <txfirehawk> rgr
[08:22] <txfirehawk> i dont see a restricted drivers in system =/
[08:23] <Jester45> txfirehawk, what version did you install
[08:27] <txfirehawk> sry i was reading.   6.06.1    I tried 7.4 is it? but I had a lot of issues with system applets being blank and me being a noob I opted for the older ver with more community support
[08:31] <Jester45> you know there is 7.10 now
[08:32] <Jester45> 6.06 doesnt have the manager
[08:41] <Catoptromancy> 7.10 official?
[08:43] <TheSheep> 7.10 is still alpha, 7.04 is the latest stable
[08:44] <Jester45> o im sorry i thought gusty was 7.10+1
[08:45] <Jester45> 6.10 was edgy 7.04 is feisty
[08:45] <TheSheep> Jester45: it's always the release year . release month
[08:45] <TheSheep> Jester45: feisty was released in April
[08:45] <Jester45> yea i wasnt thinking
[08:59] <gerro> anyone mind helping me with a little problem? http://www.jguru.com/faq/view.jsp?EID=455768
[08:59] <gerro> getting very similar error with another java app on xubuntu
[09:01] <Jester45> do you have sun-java6-jre installed
[09:01] <txfirehawk> sorry jester i had to step out
[09:02] <txfirehawk> let me read up
[09:02] <gerro> yes I do
[09:02] <Jester45> gerro, make a symbolic link from the java exec to the one tomcat is trying to use
[09:03] <gerro> what is tomcat anyway? its a different program I'm using
[09:03] <gerro> how would you create such a symbolic link?
[09:04] <Jester45>  java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sun/tools/javac/Main means that your classpath is not set correctly. Make sure your JAVA_HOME is set up right before you run the tomcat or startup scripts.
[09:04] <Jester45> it was a guess
[09:04] <BFTD> gerro ln -s
[09:04] <Jester45> tomcat is a web server like apache
[09:04] <Jester45> i think
[09:04] <BFTD> !info tomcat
[09:04] <ubotu> Package tomcat does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:05] <Jester45> !tomcat
[09:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tomcat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:05] <Jester45> aa
[09:05] <Jester45> whats the search on
[09:06] <Jester45> !search tomcat
[09:06] <ubotu> Found:
[09:08] <txfirehawk> jester I am updating now
[09:08] <txfirehawk> might as well right?
[09:09] <gerro> Jester45: what is JAVA_HOME or for that matter anything HOME
[09:10] <gerro> these.. variables settings large print names they piss me off to no end installing apps
[09:11] <Jester45> gerro, JAVA_HOME is the directory where all the java stuff starts. like the executables and data files.
[09:14] <txfirehawk> i need to hit the hay, thanks for the help jester
[09:35] <exw> this page: ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsIntel ) has a column with "Supports network install?". what do they mean when they say "network install"?
[09:37] <exw> it seams kinda odd if they are referring to a minimal boot-image install, when they are talking about a wireless card
[10:24] <liway> hi. how do i install a new theme on my xubuntu laptop?
[12:13] <Merchelo> hmm, is it possible to downgrade the cpu speed using a config file in linux ?
[12:17] <TheSheep> Merchelo: yuo usually do it in bios
[12:17] <TheSheep> Merchelo: or with switches on your motherboard
[12:18] <TheSheep> Merchelo: unless it's a laptop
[12:18] <Merchelo> hmm, just a friend asking if it was possible using a config file in linux
[12:35] <Merchelo> !info cpufrequtils | merchelo
[01:18] <tanlaan> How can I turn my xubuntu install into either a Ubuntu or Kubuntu install?
[01:18] <TheSheep> tanlaan: install either ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <tanlaan> Is there any other differences between the distros?
[01:24] <TheSheep> tanlaan: only the set of applications installed by default
[01:24] <TheSheep> tanlaan: and splash screen
[01:27] <tanlaan> so once I install ubuntu-desktop, it will install the default applications for ubuntu?
[01:35] <TheSheep> tanlaan: yes
[01:39] <tanlaan> thanks for your time
[01:40] <tanlaan> btw, http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/01/30/howto-switch-from-ubuntu-to-kubuntu-or-xubuntu-or-edubuntu-or-vice-versa-610-edgy/ is a fairly easy to understand guide how to switch
[02:39] <CorsaiR> hi
[02:42] <Merchelo> zomg hai2u
[04:12] <dmdzine> hello, can anyone help me?
[04:13] <dmdzine> I have a wireless usb toggle and I can't seem to get it to work!
[04:19] <k-os> is it possible to run the graphical installer from the Xubutnu 7.10 CD?
[04:20] <k-os> the graphical installer quits without any info/reason
[04:44] <dmdzine> can anyone help me set up a wireless usb toggle?
[04:50] <dmdzine> can anyone help me set up a wireless usb toggle?
[04:55] <dmdzine> can anyone help me set up a wireless usb toggle?
[04:57] <gabkdlly> !ask | dmdzine
[04:57] <ubotu> dmdzine: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:58] <gabkdlly> also, you sometimes have to wait for people in the know to come around
[04:58] <gabkdlly> sorry, I don't even know what a usb toggle is :(
[05:01] <dmdzine> hi again. back from the ubuntu forums
[05:02] <dmdzine> I have a netgear device (http://www.netgear.com/Products/Adapters/GWirelessAdapters/WG111.aspx)
[05:02] <dmdzine> it is a wireless network card in the form of a usb stick
[05:02] <dmdzine> i am having trouble getting it to run with xubuntu
[05:05] <gabkdlly> looks like you are exploring new territory, as it is not in the database of hardware tested on ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCardsNetgear
[05:06] <gabkdlly> did you try ndiswrapper ?
[05:06] <dmdzine> yes
[05:07] <dmdzine> i got confused
[05:07] <gabkdlly> did you follow any howtos?
[05:10] <gabkdlly> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51993
[05:10] <gabkdlly> looks like you are not the first
[05:13] <dmdzine> hold on.
[05:14] <dmdzine> i'll try this. I didn't understand what it meant before...I've learned a bit about linux
[05:19] <abo> hello, anybody knows a nice wireless monitoring utility ?
[05:25] <dmdzine> it doesn't seem to be working
[05:27] <genii> dmzine You may need to restart
[05:27] <dmdzine> i'll try restarting again...
[05:34] <dmdzine> I am trying to delete some previously installed ndiswrapper drivers, but I get an "inappropriate ioctl"
[07:14] <GhoSt> Can ive a +b ?
[07:14] <GhoSt> Can ive a +b ?
[07:14] <GhoSt> Can ive a +b ?
[07:14] <GhoSt> Can ive a +b ?
[07:14] <s|k> GIVE IT
[07:14] <s|k> thank you
[07:14] <alindeman> np!
[07:14] <s|k> I bet he didn't think therewas an ircop in here
[07:14] <alindeman> Let us know if you have more issues .. good day
[07:15] <s|k> that was weird
[07:15] <s|k> looks staged tbh
[07:15] <maxamillion> just a bit
[07:16] <maxamillion> apparently he is being chased by the freenode staff
[07:28] <maxamillion> hyper__ch: its a good program, i never could get into it though ... i think i need to give it another try in the near future
[07:28] <hyper__ch> maxamillion: it's quite simple
[07:28] <hyper__ch> maxamillion: all I use are three 4 commands :)
[07:29] <hyper__ch> screen -r (to resume the session)
[07:29] <hyper__ch> within the session:  ctrl+a  +  c  --> create new window
[07:29] <hyper__ch> within the session:  ctrl+a  +  n  --> go to the next windows
[07:30] <hyper__ch> within the session:  ctrl+a  +  d  --> detach from the screen
[07:30] <maxamillion> hyper__ch: cool cool
[07:30] <maxamillion> like i said, i will have to look into it again
[07:30] <hyper__ch> within the session:  ctrl+a  +  l --> list the windows
[07:31] <hyper__ch> within the session:  ctrl+a  +  ctrl+a --> swap between the previous and current one
[07:31] <hyper__ch> it's really nice...
[07:33] <hyper__ch> maxamillion: TheSheep gave me this here:  http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html  it's straight forwarde and very simple :)
[07:34] <maxamillion> bookmarked, thanks
[07:35] <hyper__ch> maxamillion: you're welcome :)
[07:35] <hyper__ch> maxamillion: now I don't have to open 100 terminals anymore ^^
[07:36] <maxamillion> lol, i generally only have a handful open and find alt+tab to work well, but this will be nice over ssh sessions
[07:36] <hyper__ch> maxamillion: well, I normally have 4-5 open ;)
[07:38] <maxamillion> hyper__ch: here at work i have dual 21" hi-def widescreen monitors each pushing 1680x1050 resolution so screen real estate isn't something i worry about all that much
[07:39] <hyper__ch> hehehe
[07:39] <maxamillion> err... 1650x1080 maybe ... i don't remember
[07:39] <hyper__ch> lend me one of those?
[07:39] <maxamillion> hyper__ch: if i could get one out of the office it would be on my desk at home ;)
[07:40] <hyper__ch> ;)
[07:42] <maxamillion> actually ... so would this machine
[07:43] <hyper__ch> ^^
[08:17] <newuser01> is it possible to run wine in xubuntu?
[08:18] <hyper_ch> newuser01: yes
[08:21] <BFTD> how is Gimpshop different from The Gimp?
[08:22] <hyper_ch> BFTD: gimpshop is only an addon that offers a photoshop-style-like interface... as far as I know
[08:27] <newuser01> hyper_ch: i'm running ubuntu, but installed xubuntu-desktop, and now wine wont work =/
[08:29] <hyper_ch> newuser01: it does work
[08:32] <maxamillion> newuser01: xubuntu-desktop doesn't install anything that should interfere with wine, its possible however that if you installed with aptitude or synaptic that it grabbed recommended applications or removed conflicting applications that then broke a dependency, i recommend re-stalling wine ... that in theory would resolve the issue
[08:35] <newuser01> maxamillion: i see =/ thank you
[08:35] <maxamillion> newuser01: no problem, anytime :)
[08:39] <newuser01> now a question not related to wine... is there any significant diference between installing xubuntu from the start or installing xubuntu-desktop over ubuntu?
[08:40] <hyper_ch> newuser01: default installed applications are different
[08:41] <hyper_ch> newuser01: if you use psychocat's way you will completely clean ubuntu-desktop and install xubuntu-desktop
[08:41] <newuser01> :0
[08:42] <Merchelo> i have returned
[08:42] <newuser01> hyper_ch: im still trying to find the distro i like best, just left XP last weekend
[08:42] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: is this now good or bad news? ^^
[08:42] <hyper_ch> newuser01: I'd suggest the distro that runs all your hardware out of the box is the best one :)
[08:42] <Merchelo> good for me :)
[08:43] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: bad for us?
[08:43] <maxamillion> newuser01: generally by installing xubuntu from an iso compared to installing ubuntu and then xubuntu-desktop is that you are ensured that you don't have excessive gnome-libs loaded by default and consuming your system resources
[08:43] <newuser01> hyper_ch: hehe thats too much to ask, especially when i have an ATI graphcs card :P
[08:44] <hyper_ch> newuser01: ATI.... use windows ;)
[08:44] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: you kidding? ... windows doesn't support any hardware "out of box" ;)
[08:45] <hyper_ch> newuser01: btw, this is a great site for beginners:   http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php
[08:45] <newuser01> maxamillion: oh, then ill definetely try the "pure" xubuntu, so far i like it a lot better than ubuntu, except some things are in english and i coulndt find the way to change them to portuguese yet :P
[08:45] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: but with the hardware you get also the drivers ;)
[08:45] <hyper_ch> newuser01: you know english well enough
[08:45] <hyper_ch> falando ne
[08:45] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i just buy my hardware with linux compatibility in mind from the beginning ... makes it easier for me
[08:45] <newuser01> hyper_ch: no way, i prefer buying a new vid card than going back to windows :P
[08:46] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: well, if you already have hardware and then want to switch to linux you may have problems :)
[08:46] <hyper_ch> newuser01: hehehe :) well, ati can be made run but nvidia just seems to be less trouble most of the time
[08:46] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: switch to linux? ... i thought we all did that almost a decade ago :P
[08:47] <hyper_ch> newuser01: you mean a new graphic card costs less money than a vista licence (plus according hardware)?
[08:47] <newuser01> hyper_ch: bookmarked. yes, i understand english, but if the OS is in my home language ill feel more "at home" :)
[08:47] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: me? Hmmm, it's now over a year.... but used debian as server for four years meanwhile
[08:47] <hyper_ch> newuser01: you can help translate the parts that are in english ;)
[08:47] <newuser01> hyper_ch: + all the holes that MS made a tradition of including with windows as a bonus
[08:49] <newuser01> my ati is runnig ok with the drivers provided by them :)
[08:49] <newuser01> running*
[08:49] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: cool cool ... i'm going on 8 years of desktop linux use ... almost 7 of those years are debian, my first year was a wild spiral beginning with redhat, then to slackware, then suse, then debian ... i've tried many along the way, but always end up back on debian
[08:50] <hyper_ch> I only have experience with FC 4/5, RH 7/8, debian and Ubuntu
[08:51] <newuser01> i tried only the ubuntu family except edubuntu :P. oh... and DMS Linux but that one was complicated for a noob
[08:51] <maxamillion> really? ... i thought it was plesantly simple
[08:51] <hyper_ch> oh, I forgot DSL on my USB stick
[08:52] <maxamillion> i use many live distros i use here and there, i really like Insert for moments like "ZOMG what just happened?!?!"
[08:52] <newuser01> well, idk maybe after a week of trying linux id be able to use DMS, but i wasnt able to do much at start :P
[08:53] <newuser01> maxamillion: rofl xD
[08:53] <hyper_ch> ^^
[08:55] <maxamillion> well yes, i assume a minimalist fluxbox setup isn't the best way to indroduce linux to a new comer
[08:55] <hyper_ch> hehehe
[08:55] <newuser01> have to reboot, brb
[08:56] <pleia2> depends on the new-comer, my husband introduced me to it with enlightenment and no icons or menus and I turned out fine ;)
[08:56] <hyper_ch> it just depends on how desperate the newcomer wants to learn something
[08:57] <maxamillion> or how willing the new comer is to learn
[08:58] <maxamillion> i hit the ground running with linux, i was very interested and rather excited ... i bought a boxed set of redhat workstation so i could get the printed docs ... i read them cover to cover before i installed, then i soaked up information as much as i could as i went along .... not everyone gets as excited about it as i did, and its those people who never seem to "get it"
[09:00] <newuser00> now everything is in portuguese =)
[09:01] <newuser00> wait.. no it isnt -.-
[09:01] <hyper_ch> newuser00: hmmm, that's not good... we don't understand portuguese ;)
[09:02] <newuser00> hyper_ch: hehe
[09:03] <newuser00> bah, i love it either way, its just >fast< ^_^
[09:05] <newuser00> but is it as stable as ubuntu? id like to hear from those that have used xubuntu for some time
[09:05] <newuser00> i ask coz GAIM just crashed  while ago -.-
[09:06] <hyper_ch> haven't used ubuntu much :)
[09:07] <newuser00> hyper_ch: but is xubuntu stable?
[09:07] <maxamillion> newuser00: xubuntu is stable
[09:07] <maxamillion> newuser00: xubuntu starts with the ubuntu-core and then builds ontop of that, anything ubuntu can run on xubuntu because technically xubuntu is simply a modified release of ubuntu
[09:09] <newuser00> maxamillionok, thank you =) downloading it wil take a good 8 hours with my connection, (if im lucky) so i didnt want to risk it hehe
[09:10] <maxamillion> newuser00: i understand, i just recently moved into a new home and the best internet connection i was able to get isn't much better than dial-up
[09:13] <newuser00> >_<
[09:34] <cellofellow> I have this outstanding problem. I've never bothered with it cause there where other things, but now everything is worked out. When I shut down my computer, the system halts but the box stays on. I have to power it off. How do I fix this? I don't have ACPI on this box.
[09:34] <cellofellow> If that makes a difference.
[09:35] <maxamillion> cellofellow: ACPI is what controls the "auto shutdown"
[10:01] <newuser01> what aplication does xubuntu have to burn DVDs?
[10:02] <hyper_ch> xfburn
[10:02] <hyper_ch> but I prefer k3b
[10:02] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: xfburn can't burn dvds
[10:02] <maxamillion> iirc
[10:02] <hyper_ch> well, wait, yeah.. wanted to say that maxamillion^^
[10:02] <maxamillion> ;)
[10:02] <newuser01> ^^
[10:02] <newuser01> thank you both :)
[10:03] <hyper_ch> cann dd burn?
[10:03] <hyper_ch> newuser01: or gnomebaker
[10:04] <maxamillion> i like wodim for home use ... but at work i use gnomebaker
[10:04] <maxamillion> i actually really like graveman, but because of the wodim/cdrecord split it throws incorrect error messages that can kinda mess up your day
[10:05] <newuser01> but it doesnt have any of those aplications as default, right?
[10:06] <maxamillion> no
[10:06] <maxamillion> newuser01: it has xfburn by default, which only burns cds ... and doesn't do a great job at that as it is
[10:06] <newuser01> rofl
[10:08] <maxamillion> int* userscore;
[10:09] <maxamillion> userscore = &newuser01
[10:09] <maxamillion> *userscore++;
[10:09] <maxamillion> actually ... ew, better concept
[10:09] <maxamillion> newuser01->userscore++;
[10:09] <maxamillion> :)
[10:09] <newuser01> O_o
[10:09] <newuser01> LOL
[10:10] <maxamillion> ;)
[10:10] <newuser01> whatever that is, doesnt sound too fun :P
[10:11] <maxamillion> newuser01: it really actually is .... but you have to be in the mood for it
[10:11] <maxamillion> newuser01: but then again, it depends on what you consider fun
[10:12] <maxamillion> newuser01: i think its fun that i am going to be writing a multithreaded proxy server in C next week for this summer class, but you or other people might not find that to be fun
[10:17] <newuser01> maximillion: well, i never learned any programming, but i played a bit with a Scripting language and it was fun ^_^
[10:18] <maxamillion> newuser01: you should learn to program, its a wonderful way to kill time
[10:19] <newuser01> maximillion: animating 3D objects, and activating sounds... displaying text, playing with trigger
[10:19] <newuser01> maximillion: hehe i think it would be something i would enjoy
[10:19] <maxamillion> ah, that's a good way to kill time as well
[10:20] <maxamillion> oh ... i was wrong, checking the assignment schedule i will be writing a system shell next week
[10:20] <newuser01> it was The Elder Scrolls Toolset Scripting language
[10:20] <newuser01> rofl ^^
[10:20] <maxamillion> lol
[10:20] <maxamillion> nice
[10:21] <newuser01> it was very simple, but fun to play with and check the effects in-game
[10:22] <newuser01> hum... writing a proxy server instead of a system shell.. i wonder what you teacher would say (if its for school)
[10:23] <maxamillion> well if you want simple and fun, i recommend python (its also generally safe ... you are less likely to shoot yourself in the foot or crash your system coding in python)
[10:26] <newuser01> hehe
[10:27] <newuser01> today i checked the educational aplications with apt-get and found KTurtle, but havent played with it yet. its supposed to be a way to introduce the young ones to programming xD
[10:29] <newuser01> but learning to program on my own will require lots of research, so illl probably learn only the basics, when and if i get into it
[10:30] <Pumpernickel> Getting a decent intro to programming book is - in my opinion - the best way to start, short of taking a class.
[10:31] <Pumpernickel> It's a lot easier to deal with a 'complete' book than with online documentation.
[10:33] <newuser01> hum.. your probably right. :)
[10:34] <newuser01> i once tried to learn a few things of pascal by following online documentation and it was a mess xD
[10:35] <genii> Sounds like Logo
[10:35] <genii> (KTurtle)
[10:36] <newuser01> yes i think thats what it said
[10:37] <genii> newuser01: Then the commands are pretty straightforward, like: rotate X draw X   etc etc
[10:39] <newuser01> genii: nice, i should play with it a bit and see what i can do
[10:40] <newuser01> ^^
[10:41] <genii> Tho I haven't done any actual programming in quite a while now
[10:41] <maxamillion> genii: K&R? ... you really want a newbie (no offense newuser01) reading K&R?
[10:42] <genii> maxamillion: It's a pretty comprehensive book
[10:42] <maxamillion> genii: yeah, for someone who has been coding in a different language for a couple years
[10:42] <newuser01> none taken.. i am a noob lol :P
[10:43] <genii> Although on consideration, perhaps something introductory like "Learn to Program in C" by (I think) O'Reilly might be more approriate
[10:43] <genii> *appropriate
[10:43] <maxamillion> genii: that i would agree with, O'Reilly writes great books
[10:44] <maxamillion> but then again, do we want to give someone new a book on C and then let them write some infinite loop that re-assigns random memory locations the value of 5 because there isn't any bounds checking on their arrays? .... i think a nice Java book might be a solid place to start
[10:44] <genii> newuser01: At any rate, most languages are very similar when you get down to it. Esp java C and Pascal to each other. The main thing is to learn to compose intructions in a comprehensive way and then just apply that to whatever language you decide.
[10:45] <genii> Yes, Java is a good start if you eventually want to write in hardcore C
[10:46] <maxamillion> once you take a compiler class you learn that all languages are just syntactically and stylistically different
[10:46] <genii> Cool
[10:47] <newuser01> i know what the syntax is, but what about style? :S
[10:47] <maxamillion> genii: eh' ... mildly cool, the language was made up by the prof just to teach to course material and didn't do much ... but i still felt accomplished seeing my compiler actually work :)
[10:47] <genii> maxamillion: The hardest thing about writing a compiler is adapting it for whatever chipset instructions etc etc
[10:47] <maxamillion> genii: negative, that's the easiest part
[10:48] <genii> Well i hate staring at fields of things like: lda.x,y rot x ldy,FF67      and so on
[10:48] <genii> (some old 6502 assembly)
[10:48] <maxamillion> genii: the hardest part is making sure your grammar is connected and grounded, making a deterministic finite state automaton, creating a relation table and then lexicaly analyzing and finally parsing .... once that is done, assembly is trivial
[10:49] <maxamillion> my parser was the hardest part of my compiler .... i lost alot of sleep over it
[10:49] <newuser01> OMG lol xD 1 of every 3 words you used is greek to me
[10:50] <genii> Yeah it's nasty jargon ROFL
[10:50] <maxamillion> yeah, the vocab for that class was ugly
[10:50] <maxamillion> learned alot though
[10:51] <genii> basically the gist is: Make sure all the commands connect logically (grammar is connected) don't make logic loops (deterministic finite state automation) etc
[10:52] <maxamillion> bingo
[10:52] <newuser01> :)
[10:52] <genii> Anyhow it's been fun but gotta leave now :)
[10:52] <maxamillion> genii: laters! ... been nice chatting with ya
[10:52] <maxamillion> :)
[10:53] <genii> newuser01: Good luck with the learning :)
[10:53] <genii> maxamillion: See you around then
[10:53] <newuser01> genii ty :) see you later ^^
[10:53] <newuser01> too late -.- oh well
[10:53] <maxamillion> :P
[10:54] <maxamillion> genii was nice
[10:54] <maxamillion> always good to have nice conversation in the chan
[10:54] <newuser01> yes :)
[10:54] <b52laptop> hi
[10:54] <maxamillion> b52laptop: hello
[10:54] <newuser01> b52laptop: hi
[10:55] <b52laptop> ppl what tool to configure 2 screens on a laptop from a exemple , i mean screen latop , and another screen .
[10:55] <maxamillion> b52laptop: what graphics card?
[10:55] <b52laptop> i have a intel 915 ingrated card :d
[10:55] <b52laptop>  yeah yeah it sucks .... :D
[10:55] <b52laptop> they didn't ask me when they put the card in it :)
[10:55] <maxamillion> not entirely ... intel 915 has open drivers :)
[10:55] <b52laptop> hm !
[10:56] <b52laptop> didn't know that ...
[10:56] <maxamillion> b52laptop: http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel915gm/sb/CS-020155.htm
[10:56] <maxamillion> b52laptop: wait, sorry ... i think that ones for windows
[10:57] <b52laptop> yeap :D
[10:57] <maxamillion> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel
[10:57] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-intel: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.9.94-1ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 183 kB, installed size 492 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mips mipsel netbsd-i386 powerpc)
[10:58] <maxamillion> well would ya look at that .... sweet
[10:58] <maxamillion> b52laptop: install that package and you should be good to go
[10:58] <b52laptop> maxamillion,  hm ok thanks
[10:59] <maxamillion> b52laptop: you will probably either need to restart X or restart the machine
[10:59] <maxamillion> after the installation*
[10:59] <b52laptop> maxamillion,  grrr :( , ok no prob :d , every time i touch X , a bad thing  happen , i'm scared of X :D
[11:00] <b52laptop> joking ... :d
[11:00] <maxamillion> lol
[11:00] <ablomen> hey anybody here know of a problem where firefox doesnt close properly, so every time i close firefox and start it again i get a window saying there is also a instance running so i have to kill it first?
[11:00] <maxamillion> X is fragile, you must be nice to it
[11:00] <ablomen> well and most important, a fix for that ;)
[11:01] <maxamillion> ablomen: open a terminal and type "killall firefox" and then start it again, i think its just a problem with the new "feature" of firefox that lets it recover itself from a crash
[11:01] <b52laptop> :)
[11:01] <newuser01> lol
[11:02] <ablomen> maxamillion, hehe yeah i know, i think i wasnt clear sorry, i have that all the time, i always have to use kill all to be able to start firefox again
[11:02] <maxamillion> ablomen: oh, then i'm not sure why it would continue to do that .... normally after you kill it and start it again it behaves
[11:02] <maxamillion> well ... atleast on my machine
[11:02] <ablomen> yeah i always had that too, dunno why i have it now
[11:03] <ablomen> maybe i moved my .mozilla folder around to much or something like that ;)
[11:03] <maxamillion> lol, that might do it
[11:03] <maxamillion> ablomen: maybe delete the .mozilla folder all together and let it re-make it with defaults
[11:04] <ablomen> its actually the same one i used when firefox first was called firefox
[11:04] <ablomen> hehe yeah i know but then i need to add all of my passwords, bookmarks etc again :P
[11:04] <ablomen> ah well i guess i should stop being lazy
[11:05] <maxamillion> :P
[11:05] <ablomen> just hope this wont happen to my thunderbird folder ;)
[11:05] <ablomen> that would suck big time
[11:06] <newuser01> xD
[11:07] <maxamillion> brb
[11:09] <maxamillion> annnnd back
[11:10] <ablomen> maxamillion, and you missed it all! ;)
[11:10] <maxamillion> lol
[11:10] <maxamillion> meh ... story of my life
[11:10] <ablomen> hehe :P
[11:11] <maxamillion> moment i walk away, people start handing out free money
[11:11] <ablomen> lol
[11:11] <maxamillion> well, i think i am off to read my concurrent systems textbook
[11:11] <maxamillion> i'll hang around and lurk though :)
[11:12] <Howdy125> maxamillion, = Mr. MistIt
[11:12] <ablomen> heh good luck with your c stuff ;)
[11:12] <Howdy125> ;-)
[11:13] <maxamillion> thankies
[11:13] <maxamillion> Howdy125: Mr. MistIt?
[11:13] <ablomen> as in missed i guess ;)
[11:13] <Howdy125> maxamillion, never mind .. bad joke .. :-)
[11:14] <Howdy125> ablomen, got it .. I think
[11:14] <maxamillion> oh ... LOL
[11:14] <ablomen> hehe ;)
[11:14] <maxamillion> rgr
[11:14] <newuser01> maximillion: later, and thanks for the pointers :)
[11:14] <maxamillion> newuser01: anytime :)
[11:24] <ghatak_mobile> when i do apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade, i get no choice but to upgrade all packages that update thinks need to be updated. I want some packages not be updated. How do i get around that?
[11:26] <nzk> Why are fonts in firefox so huge?
[11:26] <nzk> Like I do Control minus but they get disproportionally smaller.
[11:27] <ablomen> nzk, check your minimum fontsize
[11:27] <newuser01> nzk: try ctrl - -
[11:27] <newuser01> nzk: oh sry :P
[11:27] <nzk> :|
[11:27] <nzk> ablomen, it happens only with K/Xubuntu
[11:28] <ablomen> nzk, edit => prefs => content => look at fonts and colors
[11:28] <ablomen> yeah i think the minimum fontsize is set to 16 in *ubuntu
[11:28] <ablomen> witch is big
[11:29] <vidd> how do you make a ruby script auto load on boot?
[11:29] <nzk> Woah, yeah it is 16.
[11:30] <nzk> What should I set it to?
[11:30] <vidd> for example....on my headless server, i want a ruby bot to auto load
[11:30] <vidd> nzk, try 10
[11:30] <vidd> nzk, then adjust to suit
[11:31] <ablomen> yeah i use 8/9/10
[11:32] <nzk> 10 is microscopic
[11:32] <nzk> Jesus
[11:32] <ablomen> lol
[11:33] <ablomen> i use 8 all the time, great for code etc :)
[11:33] <nzk> 1920x1200 for the lose
[11:33] <vidd> nzk, make sure you set the font to default in firefix (ctrl)(0)
[11:34] <nzk> Oh, right, forgot about that
[11:34] <vidd> nzk, and THEN adjust from there
[11:37] <nzk> Argh, cruel irony
[11:37] <nzk> The page only looks good at 15pt
[11:37] <ablomen> lol
[11:38] <nzk> ...and other pages look like crap
[11:38] <nzk> Why can't it be like everything else and dynamically alter font size based on CSS?
[11:59] <grumpymole> nzk: This might be related: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-more-on-fixing-fonts-problems.html
[12:18] <__Serge__> Hi
[12:18] <__Serge__> I have a question...
[12:18] <__Serge__> I wnat to install xubuntu... but what is the "ALTERNATE CD"??
[12:18] <__Serge__> (is there an original cd??? : )
[12:19] <grumpymole> __Serge__: Alternate CD is command line or non-GUI installer
[12:19] <vidd> the alt cd is a text installer, the live cd is a "wizard" installer
[12:19] <__Serge__> i see...
[12:19] <grumpymole> command line is probably not the right terminology
[12:19] <__Serge__> all right... i understand now...
[12:19] <__Serge__> thx
[12:19] <__Serge__> : )
[12:20] <__Serge__> one more thing...
[12:20] <__Serge__> hw much ram does xubuntu requires to work properly?
[12:21] <grumpymole> Agreed.  I always use Alternate CD.
[12:21] <__Serge__> nice
[12:21] <__Serge__> but how much ram does xubuntu require?
[12:21] <Jester45> depends on the version your installing
[12:21] <__Serge__> 7.04
[12:22] <Jester45> the new versions need more ram then the older
[12:22] <Jester45> how much do you have
[12:22] <__Serge__> i see... but how much aprox?
[12:22] <__Serge__> 128MB? 256?
[12:22] <Jester45> 128 is fine
[12:22] <__Serge__> nice...
[12:23] <Jester45> you will need to use the alt
[12:23] <Jester45> but it will run fine
[12:23] <__Serge__> but i already downloaded the "original cd"... : (
[12:23] <__Serge__> by the way...
[12:23] <Jester45> TheSheep, had one that was really low but he gave it away
[12:24] <__Serge__> do u know a C COMPILER for xubuntu?
[12:24] <Jester45> the original?
[12:24] <__Serge__> i mean the non-alt cd...
[12:24] <Jester45> __Serge__, its called gcc
[12:24] <Jester45> i dont think its gonna install with that low ram from a live cd
[12:25] <__Serge__> gcc? really? i have it on my computer with windows...
[12:25] <__Serge__> you think 256 is not enough memory?
[12:25] <Jester45> 256 should work
[12:25] <__Serge__> nice
[12:26] <__Serge__> you know
[12:26] <__Serge__> recently i tried the live version of
[12:26] <Jester45> 256 isnt really that low. gnome will run on it
[12:26] <__Serge__> ubuntu 7.04
[12:26] <__Serge__> and i tried to find any c compiler
[12:27] <__Serge__> and i didn't find any0ne...