[12:27] <manchicken> So nixternal, when do I get my amd64 binary packages for kde4?
[12:28] <manchicken> nixternal: Also, could you tell me what you have in your CMakeCache.txt for X11_Xscreensaver_LIB?
[12:29] <jjesse> official ubuntu book 2nd edition is now out
[12:33] <mhb> manchicken: probably when you create them :o)
[12:34] <manchicken> mhb: Ah, but nixternal promised :P
[12:34] <manchicken> mhb: Did you get a chance to take a look at my patch?
[12:34] <mhb> manchicken: no, to be honest
[12:34] <mhb> manchicken: link?
[12:34] <nixternal> hehe, tonight my young chicken
[12:34] <nixternal> kdegames takes forever to build
[12:34] <jjesse> isn't it spring chicken?
[12:35] <manchicken> I posted it on the bug report that you assigned to yourself.
[12:35] <mhb> manchicken: ah, yes
[12:35] <mhb> manchicken: well, I assigned it to myself because I had created the python tool
[12:35] <mhb> manchicken: but if you want the glory :o)
[12:35] <manchicken> nixternal: I can't get kdenetwork to build because cmake is screaming about X11_Xscreensaver_LIB.  Can you please tell me what you've got for that?
[12:36] <manchicken> mhb: Hell, you can say you wrote the patch if you want :)
[12:36] <nixternal> let me see where at in the build process that is for me
[12:36] <manchicken> I honestly don't care about the glory.  I just want people to STFU about the problem :)
[12:36] <jjesse> looks like everyone is ignoring me, that's fine i'll go sit in the corner
[12:36] <nixternal> hehe
[12:36] <manchicken> Especially since I still don't think it's something that we should fix in adept :)
[12:36] <manchicken> nixternal: You could look in CMakeCache.txt
[12:36] <nixternal> jjesse: I haven't received my copy! I guess the only way I will receive one is via Amazon :)
[12:36] <manchicken> jjesse: I don't buy books :)
[12:36] <jjesse> nixternal: i only got two copies thsi time
[12:37] <manchicken> jjesse: Except for Tom Clancy books.
[12:37] <jjesse> nixternal: you should buy a bunch and i'll sign next time i'm in chicago
[12:37] <nixternal> manchicken: I have a ton of clancy books here
[12:37] <nixternal> jjesse: haha!
[12:37] <manchicken> nixternal: Tom Clancy is the shiznit.
[12:37] <nixternal> I have the net something series..all of them
[12:37] <nixternal> I got them as a gift a couple of years back
[12:38] <manchicken> And does anybody know what package libqca2 is in?
[12:41] <manchicken> I may just say screw it and just wait for nixternal's alpha packages.
[12:41] <manchicken> This is just too much trouble.
[12:41] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna run now.  Check you later.
[12:47] <mhb> manchicken|away: you want me to be honest?
[12:47] <mhb> manchicken|away: your patch is totally not doing what it should be
[12:47] <mhb> manchicken|away: it won't detect that "dpkg --configure -a" is needed
[12:47] <mhb> manchicken|away: it won't display a different message
[12:49] <mhb> manchicken|away: it's good to know that it was a few liner, but I guess you should add a bit more lines so that it actually works :D
[01:49] <mhb> manchicken|away: and of course, it won't run "dpkg --configure -a"
[02:16] <xerosis_> mhb: just tried the madwifi without k-n-m and it's not dropped once all night, same sort of thing for you?
[02:19] <mhb> xerosis_: sadly not
[02:19] <mhb> manchicken|away: it drops
[02:19] <mhb> xerosis_: ^^
[02:20] <mhb> xerosis_: with wifi0: rx FIFO overrun; resetting
[02:20] <xerosis_> well knm was reconnecting avery 2 minutes today so i can deal with every few hours :)
[02:20] <xerosis_> but so far so good
[02:21] <mhb> xerosis_: if your connection drops, check "dmesg" for that line
[02:21] <mhb> xerosis_: and tell me if you got it too
[02:21] <xerosis_> mhb: i used 'network' in systemsettings rather than CLI, but i imagine it's the same underneath
[02:23] <xerosis_> mhb: have you svn up'd recently? there was fairly big update a few days ago
[02:23] <mhb> xerosis_: of KDE?
[02:23] <xerosis_> mhb: madwifi
[02:24] <mhb> xerosis_: ah, no
[02:24] <mhb> xerosis_: could try
[02:24] <xerosis_> mhb: can't hurt :)
[02:25] <xerosis_> right, i'm off to bed. i'm working on g-c tomorrow though so might bug you if you're around
[02:27] <mhb> xerosis_: good, good .o)
[02:27] <mhb> xerosis_: I should be aroun
[02:27] <xerosis_> mhb: if i can knock out those last few UI bugs, I can start looking at the backend one
[02:38] <manchicken> mhb: Really?  It works for me.  Do you have some instructions to reproduce it or are you just going to giggle? :P
[02:39] <mhb> manchicken: hmm
[02:39] <manchicken> nixternal: Could you pastie me what you get when you `grep -r X11_Xscreensaver_LIB` in the kdenetwork root directory?
[02:39] <mhb> manchicken: start "apt-get install anything", break it when it comes to package installation (not package fetching), run adept
[02:39] <manchicken> Which version of adept?
[02:40] <manchicken> installer, updater, or manager?
[02:40] <mhb> I tried manager
[02:40] <manchicken> Yeah.  I've tried that use case.
[02:40] <mhb> I thought the code is common, tho
[02:40] <manchicken> Well, yes and no.
[02:40] <mhb> manchicken: anyway, it doesn't work here
[02:40] <manchicken> Each instance needed to be modified so that it could handle more asynchronous UI initialization.
[02:41] <manchicken> mhb: I wonder if it's because of how I put the patches together.  I'm still not quite good at that yet...
[02:41] <mhb> manchicken: perhaps it's me
[02:41] <mhb> manchicken: I'll recheck
[02:41] <manchicken> mhb: Can you DCC?  I've got two more patches that I created this patch off of.
[02:41] <mhb> manchicken: one moment
[02:41] <manchicken> I'll give you the patches and an order to apply them in.  That may be the issue.
[02:42] <mhb> manchicken: ah, progress
[02:42] <mhb> manchicken: it was me, then
[02:42] <mhb> manchicken: that's the good news
[02:43] <mhb> manchicken: the bad news is, it crashed right after it solved the problem ... it also could be my installation, but I dunno
[02:43] <mhb> manchicken: I thought you will run this check so early that it's not needed to restart adept
[02:43] <mhb> manchicken: or, that you'd reload adept automagically or something
[02:44] <manchicken> It's not necessary to restart adept after the unlock.
[02:44] <mhb> manchicken: then it crashed for some reason here.
[02:44] <manchicken> I really think it may have something to do with the order of patches.
[02:45] <manchicken> I've got a tarball with all the patches and a README file that tells you what order to apply the patches in.
[02:48] <mhb> manchicken: it's 2:50 here, I'll try to find the cause of the crashes tomorrow, okay?
[02:48] <mhb> manchicken: I think the message could go for a little tweaking
[02:48] <manchicken> Certainly.
[02:48] <manchicken> mhb: That goes without saying.
[02:48] <manchicken> mhb: I'm a hacker, not a content writer :)
[02:49] <mhb> manchicken: are you using the KMessageBox or what's its called?
[02:49] <mhb> manchicken: I'd guess only OK/Cancel would suffice
[02:49] <manchicken> mhb: Yeah, I'm using a KMessageBox::warningYesNoCancel()
[02:49] <manchicken> Well, some folks I think would want to be able to enter read-only mode.
[02:49] <manchicken> I thought there were three logical paths to go down.
[02:50] <manchicken> I'll yield to some advice on that one though.
[02:50] <manchicken> As I said, my goal isn't pride, it's getting the problem solved so I get fewer emails with subject lines like "Adept is not ready for use by anybody other than adept developers"
[02:50] <mhb> manchicken: yeah, I know those people
[02:52] <mhb> manchicken: so I understand
[02:52] <manchicken> Groovy :)
[02:56] <manchicken> But that still doesn't answer the question of where nixternal is.
[03:01] <nixternal> he is gone
[03:03] <manchicken> Nonsense.
[03:03] <manchicken> He hasn't given me either the X11_Xscreensaver_LIB value or the amd64 KDE4 binaries yet.  He wouldn't want to make me cry.
[03:10] <mhb> can someone remind me - are we still in the "hide/grey out unimportant folders for the user" business?
[03:11] <manchicken> Methinks so.
[03:18] <manchicken> nixternal: libxss-dev is what I needed.
[03:19] <manchicken> Stupid acronyms strike again!
[03:31] <ryanakca> manchicken: hehe, I would never have guessed
[03:32] <manchicken> I'm streamlining my kde4 build process.
[03:32] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Sexy voice there :)
[03:33] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Didn't you know?  Riddell is TIME magazine's bachelor of the year.
[03:33] <DaSkreech> Only the year?
[03:33] <DaSkreech> cads
[03:34] <manchicken> It was a pre-existing title.  They try hard to make everybody feel included.
[03:35] <DaSkreech> THat would explain That pitt guy that year
[03:36] <manchicken> Yeah.  They're just trying to help him feel better about himself.
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Something jsut occured to me
[03:37] <DaSkreech> KDe4 will be on the main repos?
[03:42] <manchicken> DaSkreech: No clue.
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Well if we aer shipping KDe4 Cds and I assume that will happen for at least two releases won't there have to be a dist-upgrade strategy
[03:47] <manchicken> You're asking a hacker about package management ;)
[03:48] <manchicken> I'm not that smart, or attentive.
[03:50] <manchicken> Anybody know what the svn repo for the alpha2 release is?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Whoot new katapult :)
[04:06] <jjesse> cheers
[04:27] <jjesse> did anyone else have kubuntu-dekstop uninstalled upon updating gusty
[05:18] <manchicken> jjesse: No
[05:18] <manchicken> jjesse: Are you getting that along with some openoffice.org dependencies issues?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:29] <ScottK> Hobbsee: keescook said he'd take on the gnupg changes we need for GPG & S/MIME by default in Kmail.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ScottK: cool :)
[05:30] <ScottK> I got about 80% there with a patch and geser figured out the rest, so the debdiff is waiting for keeskook to surface.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[05:54] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[06:27] <manchicken> nixternal: Hey there :)
[06:27] <nixternal> well hello mr. manchicken
[06:28] <manchicken> nixternal: I hate to be naggy, but how's the KDE4 packaging goin'? :)
[06:28] <nixternal> more than half way done for sure
[06:28] <manchicken> Sweet.
[06:28] <manchicken> I'm getting close to having the trunk built.
[06:28] <nixternal> artwork, utils, accessibility, addons, sdk, webdev, and i18n
[06:28] <manchicken> I've been having to restart a lot to perfect my build script.
[06:29] <manchicken> It's a pain in the ass.
[06:29] <manchicken> All this just so I can play with kate.
[06:29] <ScottK> Yeah, but kate is really neato.
[06:30] <manchicken> I've been using kate a lot lately.
[06:30] <manchicken> I'm rather eager to check out kate in KDE4.
[08:39] <LongPointyStick> ScottK: :)
[08:39] <LongPointyStick> ScottK: and yes, you do now have to upgrade to gutsy.  tough luck
[08:39] <LongPointyStick> bug 124074
[08:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124074 in kdepim "Dependency changes for S/MIME and GPG by default in kmail" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124074
[08:39] <LongPointyStick> right, did that one.
[01:41] <sebas> kwwii: ping
[02:28] <nixternal> mornin'
[02:31] <Hobbsee> morning nixternal!  have you completed your voluntold business?
[02:31] <nixternal> ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[02:31] <nixternal> I will get to it today...making a note of it right now
[02:45] <mhb> http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/kde-4-kubuntu-systemsettings-vs-kcontrol/ <-- for those that haven't read it yet (I'm sure there will be few)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hiya mhb
[02:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh :)
[02:48] <mhb> hi Hobbsee , read that?
[02:48] <stdin> heh, well kcontrol just isn't working in my copy of kde4 now, so systemsettings is the only way :p
[02:48] <Hobbsee> mhb: reading now
[02:48] <mhb> you definitely should, as a release manager .o)
[02:49] <mhb> stdin: I use kcmshell myself, so I dunno
[02:49] <Hobbsee> mhb: i'm not the RM yet.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> mhb: and i'ts a weekend :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> mhb: i'd heard they were talking on it, though
[02:50] <mhb> Hobbsee: you were in the ubuntu-release last time I checked, weren't you?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> mhb: i am.   yes.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> mhb: i'm not the head release manager, though
[02:50] <Hobbsee> which is what i thought you were referring to
[02:50] <stdin> mhb: I recently (last night) got it all from svn, systemsettings is the default now tho it seems
[02:51] <mhb> stdin: ah, yeah, my build is from yesterday
[02:52] <mhb> nixternal: if that "voluntold business" is kubuntu KDE4 packs, you really should start soon :o)
[02:52] <mhb> Hobbsee: like head Kubuntu release manager?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> mhb: yes.  i am that, at the moment
[02:52] <nixternal> mhb: almost done with those, and they were volunteer, voluntold was the meeting minutes :)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> mhb: i'm not the *ubuntu release manager at this point, though.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mhb: i watch the kubuntu cds, check that they'er working, dont have critical bugs, etc, check that the bugs others are reporting arent critical, and say "yes, these are right to release"
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mhb: but i cant build the cds myself, publish them myself, etc.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> at this point
[02:54] <mhb> hmm
[02:55] <nixternal> mhb: that post was a good and valid post, and now the comments though are kind of e.tarded
[02:55] <mhb> Hobbsee: still, the comments there offer some insight on what the users want
[02:55] <nixternal> obviously some of them do not know how to read
[02:55] <nixternal> No KDE 4 in KUbuntu for fourteen months!? That settles it. I will be changing distribution (again) very soon. Or at least after KDE 4 Final is released.
[02:56] <mhb> nixternal: heh, yeah
[02:56] <mhb> nixternal: the provocative types
[02:56] <nixternal> that is one comment. Does he not know that we will be doing a Kubuntu/KDE4 LiveCD release hopefully, plus we will have all of the packages readily available
[02:56] <Hobbsee> mhb: true
[02:57] <Hobbsee> mhb: well, i'm all for building a kubuntu seed, and a kubuntu-kde4 seed, having 2 metapackages, etc, and building two cds
[02:57] <Hobbsee> in facdt, i believe that was the plan
[02:57] <mhb> nixternal: if we're doing a kubuntu/kde4 release, we should start working on that, because we haven't started doing much with KDE4
[02:58] <nixternal> it is kind of hard to really start working on it, because even alpha 2 is really only in a development phase yet...but you are right...I would like to start building out the real packages, and I am sure we can bring that up with Riddell when he gets back from LUGRadio Live
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'd imagine he wants to get on with building them
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: but do liase with debian over it - hopefully we wont need too many changes
[03:00] <nixternal> oh, we need a ton of changes from Debian
[03:00] <Hobbsee> what for?
[03:01] <nixternal> for one, they are building theirs out just like kde3 and not seperating it much
[03:01] <Hobbsee> oh right, yes, of course
[03:01] <nixternal> we are building the packages as kde4base, kde4lib, and so on, they don't
[03:01] <Hobbsee> forgot that for a min..
[03:01] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:01] <mhb> also, we need to port stuff.
[03:02] <nixternal> which, you are right, that is nothing more than a directory change, changelog change, and control files :)
[03:02] <mhb> and we are always short on people, when it comes to hacking .o)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh, i was thinking in terms of kubuntu specific patches, but had completely forgotten about how ours are coinstallable.
[03:04] <nixternal> ya, we will definitely have to come up with a ton of patches...
[03:05] <nixternal> shouldn't be all that difficult, but very time consuming
[03:08] <nixternal> would also be nice to have a kubuntu-kde4-desktop package as well
[03:09] <mhb> nixternal: indeed
[03:17] <nixternal> I am thinking that either Beta 2 or RC 1 would be the perfect starting point to start building out semi-stable kde 4 releases
[03:18] <nixternal> beta2/rc1 for KDE that is
[03:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: whenever.  earlier is good, of course, but does involve more work
[03:18] <nixternal> ya, because as it stands, libs are the only thing frozen really
[03:18] <nixternal> so that means there is still a ton of work on base and the other modules yet
[03:19] <Hobbsee> true
[03:19] <maniacmusician> hiya
[03:19] <nixternal> howdy
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hiya maniacmusician
[03:20] <gnomefreak> no yelling at me ;)
[03:20] <maniacmusician> Question: I'm compiling kdeaccessibility (from KDE4) and it says that it needs me to set a variable before it can compile (ASOUND_LIBRARY). How would I set that variable? I'm relatively new to compiling so this stuff is still a bit over my head.
[03:20] <maniacmusician> gnomefreak: :)
[03:21] <nixternal> hehe
[03:21] <nixternal> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), cmake, kdelibs5-dev (>= 3.91.0-0ubuntu1), kde4base-dev (>= 3.91.0-0ubuntu1), kde4multimedia-dev (>= 3.91.0-0ubuntu1), libakode-dev, libxtst-dev, gawk, gettext, groff-base, sharutils, libbz2-dev
[03:21] <nixternal> maniacmusician: ^^
[03:22] <maniacmusician> nixternal: I hear you're having fun building kde4 yourself :)
[03:22] <nixternal> I am almost done
[03:22] <nixternal> 3 more packages to go
[03:22] <nixternal> and all of KDE 4 will be done
[03:22] <gnomefreak> nixternal: ill trade you :)
[03:22] <maniacmusician> awesome. you're building from the alpha 2 sources?
[03:22] <nixternal> yup
[03:22] <nixternal> gnomefreak: for what?
[03:22] <gnomefreak> nixternal: firefox-trunk
[03:23] <gnomefreak> its lying to me
[03:23] <nixternal> ewww firefox
[03:23] <xerosis> firefox kills kittens
[03:23] <gnomefreak> are you building the kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[03:23] <nixternal> its funny...I used to not like konqui for browsing the web, now I can't live w/o it and only use firefox for my bank
[03:23] <nixternal> gnomefreak: I think I will, yes
[03:24] <gnomefreak> nixternal: :)
[03:24] <maniacmusician> nixternal: I've noticed that konqui at least renders fonts a lot better than ff
[03:24] <nixternal> on some pages it does...I was just looking at a page yesterday, can't remember what it was..but the fonts were horrible
[03:24] <gnomefreak> lets try moving it up a bit but it shouldnt matter
[03:25] <nixternal> you know, it may have been the Compiz wiki page
[03:25] <xerosis> konqui does mangle google reader a fair bit too :(
[03:25] <nixternal> konqui likes to mangel *.google.com actually
[03:25] <maniacmusician> it mangles a lot google pages
[03:25] <maniacmusician> a lot of*
[03:25] <nixternal> gmail looks fine, but it just doesn't operate all that smoothly
[03:26] <nixternal> maps is another one it constantly mangles
[03:26] <maniacmusician> I'd blame it mostly on google for not supporting KHTML :) I hear Webkit does a little better with it though
[03:26] <xerosis> for all their cool stuff google's code is fairly...non standard
[03:27] <mhb> hi xerosis
[03:27] <xerosis> mhb: hey
[03:27] <maniacmusician> yeah, it definitely is
[03:29] <maniacmusician> nixternal: are those build depends listed somewhere that I can look at?
[03:30] <nixternal> you need to pick apart the CMake txt file in the root directory of the package
[03:30] <maniacmusician> ah
[03:31] <maniacmusician> darn. I was hoping to have the order in which I had to install the modules all figured out before hand
[03:35] <nixternal> maniacmusician: http://people.debian.org/~madcoder/kde.png
[03:36] <nixternal> there is the order you are looking for :)
[03:36] <nixternal> shoot, I have more than 3 packages left, I forgot about the graphics, admin, toys, and network
[03:36] <maniacmusician> haha, awesome, thanks nixternal . That's great
[03:40] <nixternal> I tore apart a couple of the kde4 packages from RPM last night to check out the license files, and I was rather appalled to find out there weren't any, like debian/copyright
[03:41] <gnomefreak> why would there be a debian dir in an RPM?
[03:42] <nixternal> and now I know why RPM is so damn slow...inside the rpm is the tarball of the kde 4 module that gets extracted, compiled, blown up, and shot to pieces all at one time
[03:42] <nixternal> there isn't, I was just trying to compare
[03:42] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:53] <maniacmusician> nixternal: so what are the three packages that you still have to do, besides graphics, admin, toys and network?
[03:55] <nixternal> addons, sdk, and webdev
[03:55] <maniacmusician> hmm, what about kdevelop?
[04:04] <nixternal> I heard it is still in a state of shambles
[04:04] <nixternal> same as KOffice2, however I am going to give it a try..I am sure I will try kdevelop as well
[04:06] <maniacmusician> ok, cool
[04:06] <maniacmusician> I heard it wasn't stable enough to actually use for developing stuff, but in shambles? that's a bummer
[04:08] <manchicken> Hiya nixternal :)
[04:08] <nixternal> howdy manchicken
[04:08] <nixternal> I need a super computer! anyone have a spare one?
[04:08] <manchicken> I've got one that can pbuilder files if you've got tarballs and dsc's.
[04:09] <manchicken> It'll build amd64, too :P
[04:09] <nixternal> hehe, I am starting the amd64 builds now
[04:09] <manchicken> Groovy :)
[04:10] <nixternal> I added 'dpkg-scanpackages $PBUILDER_KDE4 /dev/null |gzip -9c > Packages.gz && pbuilder-kde4 update --override-config' to my pbuilder script
[04:10] <nixternal> makes it quicker and easier
[04:11] <nixternal> I want to find a decent server with some power...a couple of processors, 4+ gb of ram
[04:12] <nixternal> I have this Sun e3500 that I got off of Craigslist for $250 :)
[04:12] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:12] <nixternal> It has 4 400mhz cpu's, 8gb of ram, and 5 9gb scsi drives, but it doesn't build all that quick
[04:12] <manchicken> I got a cashed out IRA on its way over to my place, I'm gonna snag an Ubuntu Dell with it :)
[04:12] <nixternal> and it is HUGE and LOUD
[04:13] <manchicken> Dell is like $300-$400 cheaper than system76, and they have 100% free software friendly hardware IIRC.
[04:13] <manchicken> Whereas System76 uses those intel wifi cards.
[04:13] <nixternal> man, I have gone a few years now w/o touching any of my stocks, bonds, IRAs, CDs, or saving account
[04:13] <nixternal> seeing as I have a lot of tech sector stocks, I should have a cool $15 now ;p
[04:13] <manchicken> I just switched jobs in March, and DoubleClick closed my 401k, so prudential stuck it in an IRA.
[04:14] <nixternal> nice
[04:14] <manchicken> They wanted to charge me $40/mo to maintain it since it was under $10K
[04:14] <nixternal> I did the same with AT&T
[04:14] <nixternal> the cash out interest rate though is nuts...did you take the taxes out now or not?
[04:14] <manchicken> We're looking to buy a house soon, so what's left of the IRA is going in my 5.30% savings account for a little while.
[04:14] <manchicken> No, I didn't.
[04:14] <nixternal> ouch...that tends to bite you in the ass come tax season
[04:14] <manchicken> I'm going to deduct it as the downpayment for my house.
[04:15] <manchicken> :)
[04:15] <nixternal> that will definitely save/help you there
[04:15] <manchicken> Yeah.
[04:15] <manchicken> I've got several investments that will have served their purpose as a downpayment on a house.
[04:15] <nixternal> I am hoping on buying another house some time next summer
[04:15] <nixternal> where, I don't know yet
[04:15] <manchicken> I snagged some mutual funds when I was 20, that turned out to be a good idea :)
[04:16] <manchicken> I just wish I had put more into them.
[04:16] <nixternal> I have a VA loan that takes care of down payment and closing costs, and I don't have to pay PMI
[04:16] <manchicken> I've only put $600 into them, and now they're up to $1400 value.
[04:16] <nixternal> that is good for a mutual fund
[04:16] <manchicken> Imagine my surprise when I got that statement :)
[04:16] <nixternal> I have had some luck with ameritrade in the past year or so
[04:16] <manchicken> It's damned good.  That's more than 50% growth.  They only estimated 8% growth when I first bought into it.
[04:16] <nixternal> I started with a $2000 account and have gotten it up to about $15k
[04:32] <nixternal> I had a couple of scary moments with that day trading stuff though
[04:32] <manchicken> It's a shame it's going to be cashed out soon :)
[04:32] <manchicken> But we need to buy a house.  This renting thing is getting dangerous.
[04:32] <nixternal> when I started out, I bought $1500 in Sun Microsystem shares at like $3 a piece and when it went up to $5, I sold over 75% of them...since then they have scared me, but seem to have leveled off
[04:32] <nixternal> I am hoping they will pull something out of their ass and will cause it to rise
[04:32] <manchicken> jamendo.com++
[04:32] <nixternal> I wish I would have got on that KMart bandwagon when they filed Chapter 11, and bought some of their stocks for under a $1...my dads friend never has to work a day in his life now because he did that
[04:32] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:32] <manchicken> Investing is just one of those things that you can't really get into unless you already have money.
[04:32] <nixternal> he put a shitton into KMart, to the point where he had to remorgage his house, sell stuff, lose stuff...but man did it pay out in the end
[04:32] <manchicken> amarok needs better jamendo.com support :)
[04:32] <nixternal> I think that is one of the big things they are working on for Amarok 2
[04:32] <manchicken> Oh, really?
[04:32] <manchicken> I love these neat little sites with the indy artists.
[04:32] <manchicken> I've been listening to indy music almost exclusively these days.
[04:32] <manchicken> Is cervisa in kdebase?
[04:32] <manchicken> With how I wrote my script, I have no idea which of the trees is building at any one time.  heh
[04:32] <nixternal> hehe
[04:32] <nixternal> I will say one thing, it is nice knowing that every kde 4 module has the same exact build-deps with libfam-dev, libpcre++-dev, libxtst-dev, libbz2-dev, and libstreamanalyzer-dev
[04:32] <manchicken> Where's a silly frenchman when you need him?
[04:32] <nixternal> speaking of frenchman, I might be going with my x-wife and daughter to France next month
[04:32] <nixternal> I haven't been there in a long long time
[04:32] <manchicken> You and your x-wife hang out so much, it's an interesting arrangement.  It's rare you find people who divorce yet are still capable of being around each other without stabbing each other with cutlery and miscellaneous random objects that are just sitting about.
[04:33] <manchicken> My buddy's ex-wife's girlfriend won't let him near their house...
[04:33] <manchicken> But that's another story for another day children :)
[04:33] <manchicken> Ah, we're building kdesdk now.
[04:33] <nixternal> actually, we have been talking about reconciling :)
[04:33] <manchicken> Good on ya :)
[04:33] <manchicken> If you do a fancy wedding thing you'd better invite me.
[04:33] <manchicken> I love free beer.
[04:33] <manchicken> :)
[04:33] <nixternal> for the longest time we had a grudge, but at the same time we realized just how important each other really was
[04:33] <manchicken> Aren't relationships funny?
[04:33] <nixternal> the first time we got married, it was in Greece, I would love to do the same if it ever happens again
[04:33] <manchicken> Oh, sweet.  I won the UK lottery without ever actually entering or having lived in the UK!  Sweet.
[04:33] <nixternal> there are still a lot of deprecated tags I see in kde 4
[04:33] <manchicken> I can really use that GBP 24K
[04:33] <manchicken> Yeah, that's why development is moving so fast.  Porting isn't that hard, but the codebase is just huge.
[04:33] <nixternal> ya, I won that the other day, I am awaiting my check...weird they wanted my credit card number, bank account numbers and routing numbers, but they promised me money :)
[04:33] <xerosis> manchicken: 24k wouldn't get you far in dollars ;)
[04:33] <manchicken> All they want is for me to call this one number... which has a nominal fee of 10GPB/min.
[04:33] <manchicken> xerosis: In GPB?
[04:33] <manchicken> xerosis: I thought 1GPB>1USD
[04:33] <xerosis> manchicken: damn you and your math smarts
[04:34] <manchicken> xerosis: You can't fool me.  I graduated from an American high school!
[04:34] <manchicken> heh
[04:34] <manchicken> It must be my lucky day!  Microsoft and AOL have joined forces to make a sweepstakes contest, and I've won that as well!
[04:35] <manchicken> This time it's 25,000,000EUR
[04:35] <nixternal> 09:34:20 [ manchicke]  xerosis: You can't fool me.  I graduated from an American high school!
[04:36] <nixternal> that isn't saying much, be careful ;)
[04:36] <manchicken> nixternal: Wow, you must have graduated from an American highschool, too, to have taken that long to get that one :)
[04:36] <xerosis> ouch!
[04:36] <nixternal> haha, that and I was preoccupied with a sdk build
[04:37] <nixternal> public school biatches!
[04:37] <manchicken> Likely story.
[04:37] <nixternal> when I went to school, the Glenbard school district was one of the best in Illinois, now it is one of the worst
[04:37] <nixternal> and since then, Illinois is the 48th best state for a highschool education
[04:37] <nixternal> we are actually below Alaska
[04:37] <nixternal> where 70+% get homeschooled
[04:38] <manchicken> I would think Alaska would be pretty high up there.
[04:38] <nixternal> I found this US stats page, I put it on chumpy a couple of months back
[04:38] <manchicken> Homeschooling usually yields better results than many public schools.
[04:38] <nixternal> West VA is the worst state when it comes to the amount of teeth in one persons mouth on average
[04:38] <manchicken> Many of our teachers are only still teachers because of their union ties.
[04:38] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:39] <nixternal> in WVA, if you have more than 2 teeth, it is because you are kissing your sister :)
[04:39] <manchicken> Working from svn SUCKS because people keep checking in stuff that doesn't compile.
[04:39] <manchicken> It's really irritating.
[04:43] <manchicken> You've got to be kidding me.
[04:43] <manchicken> There was this one header file that was being included that didn't exist.  I commented it out and now we're compiling again.
[04:44] <manchicken> And mhb criticizes me for making sure things compile before committing...
[04:46] <mhb> manchicken: of course, there's this slight difference
[04:46] <mhb> manchicken: in kdelibs and adept
[04:46] <mhb> manchicken: if you commit something that breaks adept, no worries
[04:46] <mhb> manchicken: but kdelibs/kdebase is something different
[04:47] <xerosis> who's seth?
[04:47] <manchicken> mhb: Unless someone else is also working on adept :)
[04:48] <xerosis> my mother is not called seth ;)
[04:48] <xerosis> was just wondering my kmobiletools is MILES behind releases
[04:48] <mhb> manchicken: well, depends on whether the other person is able to read
[04:48] <Hobbsee> xerosis: sethk is a MOTU - used to be around here a lot, when i was getting into packaging.
[04:48] <mhb> manchicken: of course, lots of devs can't read
[04:49] <mhb> manchicken: and even less know the magic of reverting :D
[04:49] <manchicken> mhb: Nonsense.  It's a generally bad practice to commit uncompilable code :)
[04:49] <nixternal> haha mhb! lots of devs can't read ;p
[04:49] <xerosis> Hobbsee: later during the week could you help me try to package kmobiletools?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> maybe, we'll see :)
[04:51] <mhb> nixternal: I'm serious - they can't ... so they want the current svn code ( unstable by definition ) to be rock solid
[04:51] <xerosis> Hobbsee: there already seems to be a feisty package on the site
[04:51] <mhb> nixternal: and they can't read the comments on the commits, and they can't revert the feature that accidentally broke something
[04:51] <Hobbsee> xerosis: doesnt mean it's any good...
[04:51] <xerosis> Hobbsee: true
[04:52] <xerosis> Hobbsee: oh yeah, it's an 386 package, i remember now
[04:58] <manchicken> mhb: I just want it to compile, I don't care about stability :)
[04:58] <manchicken> mhb: People should at least give things a little run through before they commit.
[04:59] <mhb> manchicken: they should ... but it shouldn't be the rule One
[05:08] <nixternal> at least rule Two
[05:10] <maniacmusician> so what's rule One? :)
[05:10] <nixternal> Make it look like you know what you are doing
[05:11] <maniacmusician> haha, geek cred is the most important thing, then
[05:12] <manchicken> mhb: It is impolite--at least--to commit stuff you know you haven't tested at all.
[05:12] <nixternal> look at my KDE svn commits...if you read the commit logs, you are like "wow, he knows what he is doing", but when you look at the code then you are like "holy smokes, they let this guy commit"
[05:12] <manchicken> mhb: It's just inconsiderate.
[05:14] <manchicken> Okay, I need to go do some yard work.
[05:14] <manchicken> Check y'all later.
[05:14] <mhb> nixternal: thanks to that rule, I have commited just one thing
[05:14] <mhb> nixternal: and I'm happily setting up bzr branches for all I do
[05:45] <yaccin> theres a bug in feistys kopete that was fixed months ago
[05:46] <yaccin> and the lanchpad bugreport-thingy also says its fixed
[05:46] <yaccin> but its not
[05:46] <mhb> yaccin: is it a critical one?
[05:46] <mhb> yaccin: LP number?
[05:46] <yaccin> uhm ill have to look it up again
[05:46] <yaccin> its not critical
[05:46] <yaccin> but its REALLY annoying
[05:46] <yaccin> especially because it already was fixed in dapper or edgy
[05:47] <yaccin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/92845
[05:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92845 in kdenetwork "Kopete handles removing the formatting toolbar incorrect" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[05:49] <Hobbsee> a month.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> hrm, wonder why i didnt see that earlier
[05:50] <Hobbsee> yaccin: will upload later
[05:50] <yaccin> it was already fixed a few months ago in dapper or edgy
[05:50] <yaccin> but with feisty it came back :(
[05:50] <yaccin> thanks :)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> clearly not with that patch....
[05:51] <nixternal> I haven't used Kopete in a while thanks to Bitlbee..how is Kopete doing these days?
[05:51] <yaccin> i think its great :)
[05:51] <yaccin> but it depends on what you want ^^
[05:52] <nixternal> just in general...don't use all the bells and whistles I am sure
[05:52] <Hobbsee> no idea how it could be fixed in dapper and edgy, seeing as upstream is reporting that they have the same problem with those versions of kopete...
[05:53] <yaccin> im 100% sure that it was fixed in dapper or edgy...
[05:53] <nixternal> I hope dholback doesn't mind me updating telepathy-qt (to late), or tapioca-qt (getting close to to late), just so I can get the new decibel from hunger_t uploaded
[05:54] <yaccin> maybe it was that when you update it, it works, but when you install latest version and then set up the account you get the biug
[05:54] <Hobbsee> ------- Additional Comment #27 From Brett Miller 2006-10-13 01:24 -------
[05:54] <Hobbsee> I am having this same problem with version 0.12.2 (KDE 3.5.2), the only difference being when using tabs. After marking the format tool bar as enabed and switching tabs in the new tab the tool bar is visable and marked as enabled. After switching back to the original tab the tool bar is now visable again and is marked as enabled, where as in the original bug it was still marked as disabled.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> ------- Additional Comment #28 From Benjamin Dietrich 2006-11-10 01:22 -------
[05:54] <Hobbsee> I have the problem in 3.5.5 with kopete 0.12.3 on my jabber account... when i have a icq/msn chatwindow/tab open, everything works fine... its just jabber + format-toolbar -_-
[05:54] <Hobbsee> ------- Additional Comment #29 From Paul Thomas 2007-02-14 17:50 -------
[05:54] <Hobbsee> I have this same problem with Kopete 0.12.4. The formatting toolbar does not keep its setting to stay hidden. This just annoys me. I couldn't find the spot to re-open this bug or I would.
[05:54] <nixternal> he did hand off the decibel update yesterday though
[05:54] <Hobbsee> might have come up again with the later kopete versoin.  *shrugs*
[05:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: he shouldnt mind
[05:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: he's on a plane, i expect
[05:54] <nixternal> oh ya, that is why he isn't online :)
[05:55] <nixternal> man, I can't wait to see the LUGRadio Live video
[05:55] <nixternal> JR is going right?
[05:55] <nixternal> I was surprised to see that sabdfl isn't giving a talk at this one
[05:56] <nixternal> tapioca-qt uploaded
[05:56] <nixternal> once that builds out, then it will be time for decibel lovin'
[06:00] <yaccin> theres also a bug in konqueror, but i dont know if theres already a bugreport for it
[06:01] <yaccin> if you have a page loaded with frames, then open a new tab (i have the tabbar only visible with more then 1 tabs, else this wouldnt happen) and close the tab again and sometimes the frames are messed up until i resize the window
[06:01] <yaccin> i only have tested this with 1 website, because i only know this one that uses frames
[06:02] <yaccin> so maybe its their fault
[06:02] <nixternal> sounds like the same issue with google maps
[06:02] <yaccin> oh and maybe its also iframes, i dont know... ill lokk at the source :)
[06:03] <nixternal> are you using kde 3.5.7?
[06:03] <yaccin> i can do a screenshot
[06:03] <yaccin> yes
[06:03] <yaccin> but i also had it in .5.6 and before
[06:03] <nixternal> hrmm, for some reason I haven't seen that issue lately, but it does sound vaguely familiar
[06:04] <nixternal> can you try doing the same thing with say google maps and see if you get the same outcome
[06:05] <nixternal> I was just thinking...if we used KDE 3.5.x for the next LTS...we are going to have to more than likely handle the bugs ourselves seeing as KDE will stop except for grave issues after the kde 4 release
[06:05] <yaccin> i can
[06:05] <yaccin> but my bug doesnt always appear...
[06:05] <yaccin> ive closed the other tab like 7-8 times now and it worked
[06:05] <nixternal> ya, the same with google maps...it appears when it feels like it
[06:05] <yaccin> ok :)
[06:05] <xerosis> http://news.launchpad.net/ is the worst in konq
[06:06] <nixternal> oh my
[06:06] <nixternal> that is the first I have ever looked at that
[06:06] <xerosis> two scrollbars is the way forward IMO
[06:06] <xerosis> one is just not enough for me
[06:06] <yaccin> yes
[06:07] <yaccin> that bug is ugly :D
[06:09] <yaccin> http://bennid.de/bugs
[06:09] <xerosis> nixternal: what's happening to konq in kde4?
[06:09] <xerosis> is it going to use webkit?
[06:10] <yaccin> there are the sceenshots :)
[06:10] <yaccin> is webkit something like khtml?
[06:11] <maniacmusician> webkit is apple
[06:11] <maniacmusician> s improvements
[06:11] <maniacmusician> on khtml
[06:11] <maniacmusician> it's basically what Safari uses
[06:11] <yaccin> i hope they stay with khtml :)
[06:12] <maniacmusician> why? Safari is KHTML + Win
[06:12] <maniacmusician> err. it's better
[06:12] <maniacmusician> Webkit is
[06:12] <maniacmusician> I mean..
[06:12] <yaccin> i only had problems with safari
[06:12] <yaccin> problems i didnt had with konqueror ^^
[06:12] <maniacmusician> well I haven't used Safari myself
[06:12] <maniacmusician> but everyone says that webkit is much better code than khtml
[06:12] <yaccin> i have to :/ its my job
[06:13] <yaccin> i dont :P
[06:13] <maniacmusician> including the khtml devs
[06:15] <xerosis> webkit is going to get a much bigger user share now anyway with win safari and iphone, which is only a good thing for webkit
[06:16] <maniacmusician> that's definitely true
[06:17] <maniacmusician> Apple is pretty much forcing people to build apps for safari
[06:17] <maniacmusician> since that's the only way to build apps for the iphone
[06:17] <yaccin> i still dont like webkit :P
[06:17] <yaccin> maybe its because i dont like apple ^_^
[06:18] <maniacmusician> oh I don't like apple either. I detest them actually, because they take lots of code and rarely give any back. But I do give them credit where its due, though. (which is not often)
[06:20] <maniacmusician> they're not very good as a company, but they've at least made some decent products
[06:20] <mhb> you're going kind of -offtopic here, boys
[06:21] <mhb> #kubuntu-offtopic is great for all the offtopic chat, really
[06:21] <maniacmusician> :) I didn't start it [goes quiet] 
[06:21] <yaccin> 0:)
[06:39] <nixternal> well, rumor has it that Gnome is going to be using more KHTML. there is/was a blog post on planet gnome about it
[06:50] <mhb> nixternal: gnome as in?
[06:50] <nixternal> Ephiphany
[06:50] <nixternal> ya, I can spell
[06:50] <nixternal> Epiphany
[06:50] <nixternal> e-fif-any :)
[06:50] <mhb> nixternal: it's not exactly the browser of choice
[06:51] <nixternal> nope, but they are trying to make it that way
[06:51] <nixternal> does epiphany use webkit?
[06:51] <nixternal> I don't follow that stuff, so I really don't know much about it
[06:51] <mhb> nixternal: I thought it uses Gecko
[06:51] <nixternal> you are right
[06:51] <yaccin> i just closed all running konquerors and it still uses most of my CPU o.O
[06:52] <mhb> nixternal: they should make Epiphany the "Camino of GNOME"
[06:52] <nixternal> they should do something :)
[07:02] <mhb> well, I found the second reason why I dislike KDE
[07:02] <yaccin> why?
[07:04] <mhb> kde-ev-membership
[07:05] <yaccin> you dont have to? ^^
[07:07] <mhb> yaccin: I could live with the fact that I can't send emails to it - but I so dislike mailing lists that are closed to public
[07:08] <mhb> yaccin: it always creates the "kde-important-decisions-made-here" aura
[07:10] <nixternal> mhb: then that means you also dislike Ubuntu/Kubuntu, Debian, and a lot of other projects as well :)
[07:10] <nixternal> it is only like $100+ to become a member I think :)
[07:10] <mhb> nixternal: ahem
[07:11] <nixternal> haha
[07:11] <mhb> nixternal: which mailing list is closed for the public to read?
[07:11] <mhb> nixternal: here
[07:11] <nixternal> there are quite a few, CC for one
[07:11] <mhb> nixternal: yes, there are parts of Kubuntu I dislike
[07:12] <mhb> nixternal: Canonical-secrets for example
[07:12] <nixternal> there are just some things that do not need to be made public, that I can understand (sometimes)
[07:12] <nixternal> that is a big turnoff there exactly
[07:12] <mhb> nixternal: sure, I mean business deals and such
[07:12] <mhb> nixternal: they can be kept private and I'm fine with that
[07:12] <nixternal> you are right, if it is a community project, at least open up the archives to anyone
[07:13] <nixternal> I don't neccessarily need the right to post to the list, but I think it should be opened to readers
[07:14] <mhb> nixternal: that's what I mean
[07:14] <mhb> nixternal: I wrote it few lines above
[07:17] <maniacmusician> nixternal: building kdebindings, and it wants me to set the variables RUBY_INCLUDE_PATH and RUBY_LIBRARY. I have ruby installed (both 1.8 and 1.9) so I don't know why it's giving me that...
[07:18] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:38] <mhb> hmm
[07:39] <mhb> somehow, today is not the day I realize I love KDE very much :o)
[07:40] <mhb> after reading a third mail containing "we discussed this at akademy" without writing who discussed it or what was the conclusion
[07:40] <mhb> Kubuntu specs are great in this manner - you always see what was discussed
[08:07] <nixternal> oi, 813mb for KDE 4 packages
[08:07] <nixternal> that will take a lifetime to upload
[08:07] <nixternal> by the time I am done uploading, kde 10 will be out
[08:08] <mhb> nixternal: that's a lot
[08:08] <mhb> nixternal: it's not even the size of the CD we need to ship it on
[08:09] <nixternal> this is including the orig.tar.gz files as well
[08:09] <nixternal> man, those are smaller than the deb files
[08:11] <nixternal> after some tweaking and what not to the package structure, these could be increased/decreased as well
[08:12] <nixternal> these packages are about as generic as it gets...but I plan on going through this week and starting to create the real packages to be included in universe
[08:32] <nixternal> kde 4 alpha 2 packages are complete and uploading
[08:37] <xerosis> nixternal: all archs?
[08:44] <nixternal> 386 only right now
[08:47] <xerosis> booo
[08:47] <xerosis> wait, i have a 386 computer, woo
[08:48] <nixternal> hehe
[08:48] <nixternal> I am going to do amd64 as well
[08:48] <nixternal> those should be done tonight or tomorrow
[08:48] <nixternal> the uploading is the killder
[08:48] <nixternal> killer
[08:48] <xerosis> excellent, my 386 is slower than molasses
[08:49] <xerosis> what's your connection?
[08:50] <nixternal> cable modem
[08:50] <nixternal> 42+kb/s up right now
[08:50] <nixternal> 3:15:00 left
[09:09] <xerosis> ouch
[09:54] <jjesse> afternoon
[10:15] <Lure> nixternal: how are you testing kde4? separate X session or with xnest/xephyr?
[10:15] <nixternal> I haven't had luck with xephyr, so I have been using seperate x sessions
[10:33] <jjesse> hmm so i updated my gutsy install and kubuntu-desktop was removed along with the packages and now i can't reinstall kubuntu-desktop because some of the depends are not met
[10:33] <jjesse> anyone else having that problem?
[10:34] <Disablez> i just got probs with libcurl
[10:35] <xerosis> Disablez: it's a known issue
[10:36] <Disablez> i know
[10:36] <xerosis> jjesse: hold off on the updates atm
[10:36] <xerosis> Disablez: sorry, didn't see you were replying
[10:37] <Disablez> no prob, dont worry