[01:40] <blueyed> Nafallo: file a bug about ssh. I think it should become a meta/redirect package instead. Maybe only the desc needs to get changed?
[02:59] <ijuz_> ok, damn, no idea what package exactly is causing this: tribe-2 alternate installs on my laptop (dell latitude D830), but 20070704 produces just really fancy colourful signs at the point when you can choose the resolution, 20070706 produces just a black screen
[07:36] <calc> i managed to pack a weeks worth of clothes and my laptop, psp, etc into my laptop bag :)
[07:37] <realist> Always helps when a "weeks worth" of clothing is one spare shirt, and 7 days worth of undergarments :-)
[07:40] <calc> 7 undergarments, 5 shirts, shorts, undershirt, etc
[07:40] <Hobbsee> calc: did you fix openoffice first, though?
[07:41] <calc> Hobbsee: doko wasn't able to get back to me until late today so i wasn't able to fix it yet
[07:41] <fabbione> calc: either you are really tiny or your laptop is huge :)
[07:41] <calc> Hobbsee: he has some fixes he wants me to do with the upload
[07:41] <calc> fabbione: its a case logic laptop bag
[07:41] <Hobbsee> fabbione! 
[07:41] <Hobbsee> calc: ahh.  please do it, i want a working office :)
[07:41] <fabbione> Hobbsee: !
[07:41] <calc> i think the newer version of it has a wheel cart built in
[07:41] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:42] <calc> Hobbsee: me too, hopefully someone will fix gutsy while i'm there so i can run it too
[07:42] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:43] <calc> wow they have even bigger bags now, heh
[07:45] <calc> looks kinda like this http://www.caselogic.com/15_4_rolling_lightweight_laptop_case/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=63667  but they don't actually make my model anymore
[08:06] <srbaker> folks.  having a bit of trouble with netboot.  i've three-times checked my config
[08:06] <srbaker> but the client is saying File Not Found (even though the logs say the server is sending it)
[08:06] <srbaker> anyone have any ideas what to check?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> i'd suggest you want #ubuntu+1
[08:06] <srbaker> ?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> support?
[08:07] <srbaker> i want wherever i can find someone smart enough to give me an answer.
[08:07] <Hobbsee> not development?
[08:07] <srbaker> #ubuntu didn't cut it
[08:07] <srbaker> i'll try there
[08:07] <Hobbsee> besides, almost no one is here now...
[08:07] <srbaker> damn
[08:07] <srbaker> yeah, it's 2 here.  i've never had a netboot not work
[08:07] <srbaker> and i've done dozens
[08:28] <Hobbsee> geser: ping
[08:30] <Mithrandir> packages using bzr should have a check in debian/rules which makes the build fall over if you have uncommitted changes.
[08:31] <Mithrandir> with an override switch, probably
[08:31] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: unfortunately the bzr version doesnt actually build at the moment, though
[08:31] <Hobbsee> mmm...now that would be a ncie plan
[08:31] <Mithrandir> I pondered doing that for casper, but then I got distracted by something shiny.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:32] <Hobbsee> mmm...shiny
[08:33] <Mithrandir> now, have we turned you over to the brown side yet?  With shiny.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> no.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> it's very grey.  not silver.  very dull, and definetly not shiny
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hi spam
[09:13] <luka74> StevenK: merged digikam is on http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/ if you want to upload ;-)
[10:15] <shirish> ubotu paste
[10:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:16] <shirish> ubotu bug-reporting
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug-reporting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <shirish> ubotu bug
[10:17] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ IRC is not a good medium to report bugs and this channel is for development coordination.
[10:53] <RoC_MasterMind> When 2.6.21 makes it into an Ubuntu package, will the tickless feature be enabled?
[10:54] <tepsipakki> gutsy has .22
[10:54] <RoC_MasterMind> with tickless?
[10:54] <tepsipakki> dunno, what config name is it?
[10:55] <RoC_MasterMind> I can check
[10:55] <RoC_MasterMind> CONFIG_NO_HZ maybe.
[10:56] <tepsipakki> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
[10:56] <RAOF> Yeah that's it.
[10:56] <RoC_MasterMind> I see.
[10:56] <RoC_MasterMind> Good to know.
[11:02] <cjwatson_> Nafallo: I've changed ssh to identify itself as a metapackage rather than as a transitional package in my tree.
[11:15] <geser> Hobbsee: pong
[11:15] <geser> pitti wanted to check in my apt debdiff as I can't commit directly to the apt branch
[11:16] <geser> but as he was about to leave and bzr took to long he wants to do it later
[11:28] <StevenK> Lure: Can I ask you merge my changelog entry into digikam?
[11:29] <StevenK> Lure: I can do it, if you wish.
[11:29] <Lure> StevenK: I can do that, no problem
[11:38] <Lure> StevenK: updated package on http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/
[11:39] <Sp4rKy> hi there :)
[11:39] <Sp4rKy> anyone to check my initramfs-tools merge ?
[11:40] <Sp4rKy> http://paste.dunnewind.net/15
[11:46] <ccm> is there a draft somewhere what changed with luks encryption in gutsy? i am interested especially in a hopefully set up gui password prompt
[11:58] <Fujitsu> ccm: I don't think much has changed, other than some feisty initramfs changes being reverted.
[12:00] <Sp4rKy> Fujitsu: are you available to check my merge ?
[12:04] <StevenK> Lure: Okay, I did make it. Source publishing as I speak, and it should hit the buildds in next 45 minutes or so.
[12:04] <Fujitsu> Sp4rKy: I'm no core-dev, and I know nothing about initramfs-tools.
[12:04] <Lure> StevenK: great
[12:12] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/+builds/kohnen -> someone check the status of this machine
[12:20] <Nafallo> cjwatson: nice :-)
[12:24] <Kmos> bug 48556 is already fix released ?
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48556 in linux-source-2.6.15 "ACPI-0517: ****Error Method parse/execudion failed" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48556
[12:29] <cjwatson> Kmos: you should ask the kernel team, when they aren't (nearly) all travelling
[12:29] <Kmos> cjwatson: you aren't a member of kernel team ?
[12:30] <Kmos> i'm checking the old bugs with fix commited, when Launchpad doesn't check the changelog for LP: #number
[12:30] <cjwatson> Kmos: no; https://launchpad.net/~kamion/+participation
[12:31] <cjwatson> I manage the kernel team, but that's different :)
[12:31] <Kmos> :-)
[12:42] <Nafallo> https://www.der-winnie.de/?p=94 <-- will that affect us?
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: They're not installed by default, but... hm...
[12:44] <Nafallo> what might need to add some disclamer on install as we do with codecs maybe :-/
[12:44] <persia> I don't think we're any more affected than we are for not labeling our distribution of quake2 in accordance with the German game distribution laws, although the german archive may be on both counts.
[12:49] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: they need shells in other countries now :-)
[12:50] <ccm> well yes
[12:50] <ccm> that sucks
[12:50] <ccm> i swear you
[12:50] <ccm> i am afraid of using nmap
[12:50] <pygi> hey sivang 
[12:50] <ccm> imagine that one
[12:51] <sivang> hey pygi 
[01:08] <giftnudel> hey sivang, how are you?
[01:08] <sivang> giftnudel: Martin! I'm fine, thanks, and you?
[01:08] <giftnudel> me too
[01:11] <sivang> hmm, don't we have an ltdp package on the feisty repos? odd
[01:14] <sivang> and it seems to be available from debian unstable
[01:26] <ijuz__> ccm: the usage is no problem
[02:07] <yveslu> anyone knows if there is a feisty package for the new intel-xorg driver (version 2.1.0) (http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-announce/2007-July/000318.html) ?
[03:01] <Nafallo> damn this is kewl!
[03:02] <Nafallo> I just looked at Dell Support for my new laptop and they list Ubuntu Desktop 7.04 in the list of OS :-)
[03:21] <tepsipakki> Nafallo: in europe?
[03:22] <ijuz__> Nafallo: so it isn't a new santa rosa model?
[03:22] <Nafallo> tepsipakki: Swedish pages let me choose Ubuntu on the supportpages :-)
[03:22] <Nafallo> ijuz__: it is
[03:22] <Nafallo> D630
[03:23] <ijuz__> Nafallo: on my D830 it's not so simple, i'm just trying gutsy, but sounds doesn't work at the moment (with feisty it worked)
[03:24] <ijuz__> (but intel 2.1 is required, otherwise the screen is fuzzy and opengl crashes the box)
[03:24] <Nafallo> ijuz__: I know who to scream at if it doesn't work for me with gutsy :-)
[03:25] <ijuz__> when you are bored... you could try gutsy daily, the alternate cd from yesterday just goes black...  i think that is when it tries to detect the screen
[03:25] <Hobbsee> the gutsy dailies arent worth running
[03:26] <Nafallo> ijuz__: I'll wait for the laptop, install the latest Tribe and updates to current.
[03:27] <tepsipakki> Nafallo: ok sweet, couldn't find the equivalent on the finnish pages though.. it'll come for sure
[03:28] <Nafallo> tepsipakki: sure will :-)
[03:59] <Kano> hi, today's desktop images still have old packages. i thought someone fixed it?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> not yet
[04:00] <Hobbsee> try back in a week or so
[04:00] <Hobbsee> besides, it's a saturday
[04:01] <Hobbsee> in fact, a week and a half, probably
[04:01] <Kano> is there the code available to create those snapshots
[04:01] <Hobbsee> the fact is, those packages arent all installable, which is why the livefs fails to build
[04:01] <Hobbsee> so even if you create one locally, it'll still fail
[04:02] <Kano> well can i get the code to create
[04:02] <persia> Kano: More generally, there's a lot of library transitions underway, which makes the results not very useful, even if they worked today.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> the code to build the livefs?  it's probably somewhere.  in fact, debian will have code for it published somewhere.
[04:03] <Kano> i would like to have it for aufs
[04:04] <Hobbsee> i dont know exactly where it is
[04:04] <Kano> funnyly when i backport your mesa 7 on etch along with some backported sid xserver-xorg+intel i can use 3d fine
[04:05] <Kano> (testing intel g33)
[04:06] <Kano> i thought you had a fallback included but currently with your live cd X does not start at all, with a (broken) dist-upgrade i can use 2d but not 3d
[04:06] <Kano> wasn't a vesa fallback somewhere before?
[04:07] <Kano> or does it rely on autodetection
[04:09] <Kano> when you know about the xserver detection (i wrote my own giving the same result then the debian standard one just faster)
[04:10] <Kano> then you find in the pci.lst the defaults
[04:10] <ijuz__> probably vesa doesn't work on the g33 gfx chip
[04:10] <Kano> grep ffffffff /lib/discover/pci.lst
[04:10] <Kano> sure it does
[04:11] <Kano> but the defalt for intel is i810
[04:11] <Kano> or intel, does not matter
[04:11] <Kano> that will work with intel 2.1.0 driver
[04:12] <Kano> but in case that default does not work (as it does not with 2.0.0) you get no X at all
[04:13] <Kano> i see no big problem for intel as soon as you can install a new driver, but the same problem is for nv just more dramtically
[04:13] <Kano> new nvidia cards work with nvidia binary just fine, but when you force nv then the system even locks
[04:15] <Kano> my next live cd can install nvidia or fglrx drivers on the fly because of that reason
[04:16] <Kano> when i have the live code i may add that feature too on these kind of cds
[04:32] <Kano> is there already a way to execute external scripts?
[04:32] <Kano> like stored on hd, usb stick or whatever
[04:33] <Hobbsee> bryce: you're clearly not good with spelling names, if you spelt *two* of your sponsors wrong
[04:43] <bryce> Hobbsee, rats... 
[04:44] <Hobbsee> bryce: heh
[05:03] <Nafallo> woha! Tribe 3 is to be released the day before my new lappy arrives :-)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124587 doesnt look good
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124587 in Ubuntu "Missing package or incorrect package in the Repositories" [Undecided,New]  
[05:29] <sn0> Hobbsee it seems its pointing to linux-libc-dev_2.6.20-16.28_i386.deb where linux-libc-dev_2.6.20-16.29_i386.deb is there instead, i wonder have they upgraded to the latest linux-image before installing build-essential
[05:29] <Hobbsee> i've already seen one of them today
[05:29] <geser> linux-source-2.6.20 | 2.6.20-16.29 | feisty-security | source, all
[05:32] <geser> I guess that it's an outdated package lists
[05:33] <Hobbsee> the fact that there's been 2 of them...
[05:34] <Hobbsee> it's not in new...
[05:37] <geser> I've checked the Packages.gz on for feisty-security and -16.29 is referenced there
[05:56] <AlinuxOS> doko, ping
[11:24] <Nafallo> will Dells internal WWAN-thingies be included in the deal with them so that it might even work if I order one? :-)
[11:26] <ijuz__> fast umts would be cool