[01:00] <foxbuntu> superm1_: did you catch the digg post about the mythtv in a car?
[01:01] <superm1> i saw its headline
[01:01] <superm1> but didnt look at it yet
[01:02] <superm1> there have been people that have done it before
[01:02] <foxbuntu> its pretty sweet
[01:02] <superm1> with some elaborate video syncing setups
[01:02] <superm1> via wifi and such
[01:02] <foxbuntu> great idea...but...I am not about to hack up the dash of my lexus for his design
[01:02] <foxbuntu> ha
[01:02] <superm1> it was in a lexus?
[01:03] <foxbuntu> no, but it was a newer mazda 3
[01:04] <superm1> ah i see
[01:05] <superm1> later on tonight i'm going to hack together the start of my CD/flash drive frontend script
[01:06] <superm1> so that you can boot the cd up
[01:06] <superm1> and have a flash drive plugged in
[01:06] <superm1> with a small config file
[01:06] <foxbuntu> nice
[01:06] <superm1> which will mount nfs/samba for you, and connect to your backend
[01:06] <foxbuntu> yea...I got the great new this afternoon that my washer wasnt salvagable
[01:06] <superm1> eventually i want to expand it to be able to run the backend that way too - but thats a long way away
[01:07] <superm1> wish you had a discount on a new one now eh?
[01:07] <foxbuntu> so I had to drop 700 on a new one today
[01:07] <foxbuntu> yea
[01:07] <foxbuntu> would have been nice
[01:07] <superm1> well you didn't have to -  you could have just done them by hand :)
[01:16] <foxbuntu> sure sure
[01:16] <foxbuntu> you can come help then
[01:19] <foxbuntu> I am prob going to play wayyy too much Wii this weekend
[01:19] <foxbuntu> Kate went out of town to visit her friend Amy
[01:19] <superm1> haha
[01:19] <superm1> go get zelda
[01:19] <superm1> and play that for the weekend
[01:20] <foxbuntu> I already did
[01:20] <superm1> it will keep you busy
[01:20] <superm1> the first 1-2 hours is slow, but its hard to put down after that
[01:20] <foxbuntu> I have logged 5.5 hours into the game already
[01:20] <superm1> very good :)
[01:21] <foxbuntu> I just beat the boss of the Forest Temple this afternoon
[01:21] <superm1> 5.5 hours and thats it ? :)
[01:22] <foxbuntu> well I am a bit futher beond that tho
[01:22] <foxbuntu> beyond
[01:23] <superm1> maybe sometime this weekend i should revisit finishing my last side quest in it
[01:23] <foxbuntu> that was just the last major point
[01:23] <superm1> i've got some 45 or 55 hours logged in the game - and all major quests and all but one side quest done
[01:23] <foxbuntu> nice
[01:24] <foxbuntu> I only have a little ways to go then
[01:24] <foxbuntu> well I spent 15 mins beating supermario today too
[01:24] <foxbuntu> lol
[01:24] <superm1> ?
[01:24] <foxbuntu> the first one
[01:25] <foxbuntu> I beat the game in ~15 mins
[01:25] <superm1> ah
[01:25] <foxbuntu> which is a bit slow...it can be done in about 9
[01:26] <foxbuntu> but I am already almost a Wii bowling pro too
[01:26] <foxbuntu> only a few points to go
[01:26] <superm1> you sure are keeping busy with this thing
[01:26] <foxbuntu> yea...
[01:26] <foxbuntu> keeps me from doing work at night
[01:27] <foxbuntu> :)
[01:32] <foxbuntu> I need to get my Xbox on Ebay this weekend though
[02:00] <foxbuntu> superm1_: hey I am having problems all the sudden with buffer errors on my tuner
[02:00] <foxbuntu> and the video is choppy
[02:50] <superm1_> okay now i'm trying to debate what priority to make the question in the mythtv packaging regarding whether to listen on a public port or bind to localhost
[02:55] <superm1_> considering the convenience it can provide i think a default of no, but show both questions is best?
[03:34] <foxbuntu> I would phrase the question as Local host or public making localhost default and (Recommended for a single Machine)
[03:38] <superm1_> well i was actually rethinking it a bit
[03:38] <superm1_> perhaps something a little more user friendly wording wise
[03:38] <superm1_> asking if they are using other mythtv machines too
[03:38] <superm1_> or something to that effect
[03:38] <superm1_> rather than it being too technical
[03:54] <foxbuntu> that would probably be best
[04:16] <OpenMediaSupport> foxbuntu: What type of tuner have you got.
[04:17] <foxbuntu> 2 pvr-150 mce's
[04:17] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1_: Just done a clean install on a clean HD. Just need to confirm all of the hardware support
[04:17] <superm1_> how fast was it on real hardware to install?  I've only installed to a usb drive - so its hard to guage
[04:17] <OpenMediaSupport> Ok 	- cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
[04:18] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1_:  Good given the age of the driver - an old 10G Quantum
[04:18] <superm1_> awesome
[04:18] <OpenMediaSupport> Was it supposed to detect the bcop based DVB-S cards?
[04:19] <foxbuntu> viper@viper:~$ cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
[04:19] <foxbuntu> 3533
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> Also it wouldn't let me add in two IVTV based tuners.
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> Put this in /etc/sysctl.conf
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> vm.min_free_kbytes=16384
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1_: I'd recommend putting this value on ALL myth boxes anyway.
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> Got a customer with two PVR-500 cards and we had to double that value when he runs it hard
[04:20] <superm1_> OpenMediaSupport, that hardware selection stuff for the tuners doesnt do anything yet either which way
[04:20] <superm1_> what does that value do?
[04:20] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1_: Fine.
[04:20] <OpenMediaSupport> The value make sure that your min free memory is set to 16Meg
[04:20] <superm1_> there isn't any reason why they shouldn't be supported by the kernel -
[04:20] <superm1_> the dvb-s
[04:20] <superm1_> min free physical memory?
[04:20] <OpenMediaSupport> That way when the ivtv driver wants a new large block it should be readily available.
[04:21] <OpenMediaSupport> Otherwise the time it takes to recover the blocks can mean frame drops
[04:21] <OpenMediaSupport> Search ivtv + min_free_bytes for some refs
[04:21] <superm1_> oh very interesting
[04:21] <OpenMediaSupport> Want me to log in as a bug?
[04:22] <superm1_> well what are the repercussions of changing this?
[04:22] <superm1_> to someone with little ram already
[04:22] <foxbuntu> I hope its that simple..I have been fighting this off and on for a few weeks now
[04:23] <OpenMediaSupport> Define little ram. I wouldn't use Myth with less than 256
[04:23] <OpenMediaSupport> Also the new patches in fixes and trunk reduce the memory footprint thanks to the new icon/theme cache anyway
[04:23] <superm1_> oh thats great to hear -
[04:24] <superm1_> glad to be running on newer -fixes then :)
[04:24] <OpenMediaSupport> Just means less memory used as  "cached"
[04:24] <superm1_> well little ram being 384
[04:24] <superm1_> or 512
[04:24] <OpenMediaSupport> myPVR is 512
[04:24] <superm1_> okay and things are okay with it then -
[04:24] <OpenMediaSupport> Well actually less as some is reserved for video ram
[04:25] <OpenMediaSupport> Basically with IVTV cards you can't run without it.
[04:25] <superm1_> so why isn't this the default on installs?
[04:25] <OpenMediaSupport> Don't know.
[04:25] <OpenMediaSupport> I enable it on all customer boxes
[04:26] <superm1_> okay file a bug against mythbuntu then - i'll make sure its added into the build script
[04:26] <foxbuntu> no kidding...I even switched the cards around in the PCI slots last week trying to fix this
[04:26] <OpenMediaSupport> foxbuntu: you can change it on the fly without rebooting. You should be a lot better then.
[04:26] <foxbuntu> oh, well I gave the ol girl a reboot anyhow
[04:27] <foxbuntu> see MythTV and I get along, well, Kind of the same why my wife and I get along...stuck with her for life and shes always a pain in the ass
[04:28] <foxbuntu> lol
[04:28] <foxbuntu> but I sure do love them
[04:28] <foxbuntu> ;)
[04:29] <foxbuntu> man superm1_  wtf you gotta be 5 hours away for...this weekend would be a great weekend to go get stupid drunk
[04:30] <superm1_> foxbuntu, if you wanna drive up tomorrow your welcome :)
[04:30] <superm1_> i'm just working on ubiquity and autostart stuff all day
[04:30] <foxbuntu> that actually aint a half bad idea
[04:31] <superm1_> i dont think i'm 5 hours though from you
[04:31] <superm1_> maybe 3.5 or 4
[04:31] <superm1_> you can crash here for the night
[04:31] <superm1_> i've got an extra blow up mattress and a futon
[04:31] <foxbuntu> im me your addy
[04:44] <OpenMedia> man does firefox look odd with the default theme
[04:44] <superm1_> yea i noticed that too
[04:44] <superm1_> everything else looks good with it
[04:44] <OpenMedia> Also missing the initial ubuntu homepage
[04:44] <superm1_> right, eventually i was going to need to find a way to make the default mythbuntu.org
[04:44] <foxbuntu> there is a good firefox theme out there that would match up better
[04:44] <superm1_> but haven't looked aroudn yet
[04:44] <superm1_> foxbuntu, its the gtk theme that is making it look odd
[04:44] <superm1_> the one that you made based around blueheart
[04:44] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:44] <foxbuntu> yeah...there are some known issues with firefox and my theme
[04:44] <foxbuntu> I need to do more testing with it...but firefox handles GTK themes strange
[04:44] <foxbuntu> I think its becuase firefox was designed to be theme independant, having its own profiles and themes
[04:44] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:44] <OpenMedia> superm1_: whats the best way to report a mythbuntu bug ?
[04:44] <superm1_> through the bug tracker at http://launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[04:45] <OpenMedia> Ah i keep going to ~mythbuntu
[04:47] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu - want to mail me the kernel error you see for the buffer problem
[04:48] <foxbuntu> yeah...but Id have to break it again
[04:48] <foxbuntu> tv works great now
[04:48] <foxbuntu> :)
[04:48] <OpenMedia> No worries I'll find a referernce in the IVTV mailing list archive
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #124514 in mythbuntu "IVTV driver can run out of buffers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124514
[05:02] <superm1_> ah great.  thanks
[05:04] <OpenMedia> Don't worry there's more
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #124515 in mythbuntu "Default theme firefox issues" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124515
[05:22] <superm1_> keescook, you here?
[05:47] <OpenMedia> superm1_: you still around?
[05:47] <superm1_> yes
[05:47] <superm1_> chugging along on a few patches:)
[05:48] <OpenMedia> On  my old knoppmyth system I could modify the database in scripts by just doing
[05:48] <OpenMedia> mysql -u root mythconverg << EOF
[05:48] <OpenMedia> Now in mythbuntu I need to make sure I read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[05:48] <OpenMedia> which is fine.
[05:48] <OpenMedia> Problem is when I run
[05:49] <OpenMedia> mysql -u mythtv -p password mythconverg
[05:49] <OpenMedia> I just get a bunch of help output rather than a DB session.
[05:49] <OpenMedia> So whats so different?
[05:56] <superm1_> let see
[05:57] <superm1_> what are you passing in other than the EOF?
[05:57] <superm1_> nothing?
[05:57] <superm1_> you should be getting your db session when you do that
[05:57] <OpenMedia> Well normally I could just do "mysql -u root mythconverg" for an interactive session
[05:57] <OpenMedia> In theory I should be able to do "mysql -u mythtv -p password mythconverg" but that doesn't work
[05:58] <superm1_> oh!
[05:58] <superm1_> you have to do it like this
[05:58] <superm1_> mysql -u mythtv -ppassword mythconverg
[05:58] <OpenMedia> Argh... Damn it..
[05:58] <superm1_> yea that bit me yesterday
[05:59] <OpenMedia> All of the myPVR smarts relied on -u root as that works on Knoppmyth. If I read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt I can make them work on Knoppmyth and Ubuntu
[05:59] <superm1_> well you can do -u root still
[05:59] <superm1_> there is no password by default -
[05:59] <superm1_> but if you chose one during the mythbuntu install of course
[06:00] <superm1_> then just -p$PASSWORD
[06:00] <superm1_> in your scripts
[06:00] <OpenMedia> On knoppmyth root didn't have a DB password.
[06:00] <superm1_> then that command shouldn't have changed at all
[06:00] <OpenMedia> -u root won't work. Try it
[06:01] <superm1_> works fine
[06:01] <OpenMedia> Access denied
[06:01] <superm1_> just did it off the live cd
[06:01] <superm1_> did you set a password during install then?
[06:01] <OpenMedia> Ah.. Different on an install.
[06:01] <OpenMedia> Hmm.. Don't think so.
[06:01] <superm1_> you can reset it if you did via sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0
[06:02] <OpenMedia> Nope still get an EROR 1045
[06:02] <OpenMedia> sorry ERROR 1405
[06:03] <superm1_> when you reset it - you put in a new password?
[06:03] <superm1_> or left it blank
[06:03] <superm1_> blank just means "dont change it"
[06:04] <OpenMedia> Ok so how do you reset it to none?
[06:04] <superm1_> erk - login as root with a password
[06:04] <superm1_> and then issue this
[06:05] <superm1_> USE mysql;
[06:05] <superm1_> UPDATE user SET PASSWORD("") WHERE USER='root';
[06:05] <superm1_> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[06:06] <OpenMedia> Cheers
[06:06] <OpenMedia> UPDATE user SET PASSWORD="" where USER='root';
[06:07] <superm1_> yes
[06:07] <superm1_> my bad, typing from memory :)
[06:07] <OpenMedia> Know the feeling.
[06:08] <OpenMedia> I'll change my scripts over eventually, but setting a blank passwd will let me catch some of the bigger bugs
[06:08] <superm1_> right
[06:10] <OpenMedia> Cool. My openvpn support stuff just works.
[06:11] <OpenMedia> Been cleaning up my meta packages as I don't need some custom stuff that is already in Ubuntu like the ivtv firmware, and my custom ivtv-drivers
[06:11] <superm1_> ah openvpn support - cool way to do it
[06:11] <superm1_> you leave the openvpn port open on the box
[06:11] <superm1_> and then you can get in at will?
[06:12] <OpenMedia> I have management menus to enable/disable support via the MythTV menus
[06:12] <OpenMedia> Customer then has the control
[06:12] <superm1_> oh thats pretty sweet
[06:13] <superm1_> how do you handle getting through their router then?
[06:13] <OpenMedia> They connect to my VPN sandbox.
[06:13] <superm1_> ah that'd be it
[06:13] <superm1_> i've helped a few people over the web via a reverse port forward from them sshing into my box
[06:14] <OpenMedia> openvpn rocks.
[06:15] <superm1_> i used it on my router for a bit rather than WEP/WPA
[06:15] <superm1_> tunneled everything through openvpn
[06:15] <superm1_> but my router just dies when too much traffic is going through that
[06:17] <superm1_> its a weak little wrt54g
[06:19] <OpenMedia> Odd i've imported my signing key for packges, but it still says packages from my apt repository are unsigned.
[06:19] <superm1_> have to apt-get update
[06:19] <superm1_> after importing your key
[06:28] <OpenMedia> superm1_: you don't include mythrename.pl as standard.
[06:28] <superm1_> its in the contrib directory
[06:28] <superm1_> /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib
[06:28] <superm1_> i think
[06:28] <OpenMedia> I've found I need a 'pretty' directory for samba exports or customers get confused.
[06:28] <OpenMedia> yeah there is a pl.gz
[06:28] <superm1_> i have one myself
[06:28] <superm1_> for the same reason, on the samba exports
[06:29] <superm1_> how frequently do you run it?
[06:30] <OpenMedia> every hour
[06:30] <superm1_> ah okay
[06:30] <OpenMedia> It in cron.hourly
[06:30] <superm1_> i've got mine set to every 5 minutes
[06:33] <OpenMedia> I have one customer ask if he could set the EPG grabber to run every minute so that he always had uptodate EPG data
[06:33] <superm1_> haha.  maybe EIT....
[06:33] <superm1_> but that would be it
[06:34] <OpenMedia> EIT data here updates about twice a day on average. He thought it would update live if the program was running late - typical consumer expectation of the technology
[06:36] <superm1_> ah yup
[06:42] <superm1_> laga, why is mythdvd missing from your trunk rules file?
[06:44] <superm1_> and also why is there two dh_installdebconf -i's
[06:44] <superm1_> shouldn't one be a -s
[06:51] <OpenMedia> superm1_: Any thoughts on enabling mythwelcome? We use it to make it easier to recover from a frontend crash
[06:51] <superm1_> OpenMedia, there actually should be support in that build for a very easy way to do it
[06:51] <superm1_> via a file in /etc/default
[06:51] <superm1_> let me check the exact name of it
[06:52] <superm1_> checkout /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[06:52] <superm1_> you uncomment that and log back into X
[06:52] <superm1_> and mythwelcome is used
[06:52] <OpenMedia> Sweet. I can live with that.
[07:03] <OpenMedia> Weird. One of my packages is exiting with an error 243 during post install, but I can cleanly run the post install script on its own
[07:04] <superm1_> use set -e ?
[07:04] <superm1_> in the top
[07:04] <superm1_> or #!/bin/sh -e
[07:08] <OpenMedia> Same error no additional output
[07:08] <superm1_> weird.
[07:08] <superm1_> what sort of things are you doing in there?
[07:09] <OpenMedia> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28929/
[07:10] <superm1_> whats in the postinst?
[07:12] <OpenMedia> I think its the mythfilldatabase run.
[07:15] <OpenMedia> Yup that was it
[07:18] <OpenMedia> Sweet.. All good now
[07:18] <OpenMedia> I had no sources defined and the error from mythfilldatabase was propogating back
[07:18] <superm1_> ah
[07:26] <OpenMedia> Ok looking good. Damn good
[07:26] <superm1_> so a fairly painless run?
[07:27] <OpenMedia> Getting there. Some differences with sudoers and smb.conf that need looking at because of how our support scripts run.
[07:27] <foxbuntu> superm1_: my Wii bowling is up to 1255
[07:27] <foxbuntu> :)
[07:40] <OpenMedia> superm1_: Sweet.. The backported patches work. Watching MHEG-5 EPG on mythbuntu.
[07:40] <superm1_> awesome :)
[07:40] <OpenMedia> Even looks better. Must be some positioning bugs on the old Knoppmyth libraries.
[07:41] <superm1_> that checkout from 0.20-fixes is very recent
[07:41] <superm1_> within 1-2 weeks
[07:41] <superm1_> and i have a new one ready from tonight
[07:41] <superm1_> as soon as keescook is able to look it over and upload
[07:43] <OpenMedia> Ever seen  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28934/
[07:43] <superm1_> yes
[07:43] <superm1_> its because of a new glib
[07:43] <superm1_> it means that the application in question isn't following glib invocation rules
[07:44] <OpenMedia> fine
[07:44] <superm1_> there are dozens of bugs supported about them right now
[07:44] <superm1_> i'd anticipate by release they be sorted out though
[07:45] <superm1_> the only really "bad" one i know right now is VLC
[07:45] <OpenMedia> Cool Well i'm done for now.
[07:46] <OpenMedia> Need to set the box up to record Live Earth as its the only one with enough spare disk
[07:46] <superm1_> so mythbuntu is feasible then - no big show stopper stuff on your end ?
[07:49] <foxbuntu> OpenMediaSupport: thanks for the help earlier...my IVTV card seem much happier now
[07:50] <foxbuntu> actually...
[07:51] <foxbuntu> [ 5247.272000]  ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.
[07:51] <foxbuntu> [ 5247.272000]  ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.
[07:52] <foxbuntu> its not jumping tho
[07:54] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: Thats a know MythTV error that Hans moans about. Whats the load on your box like?
[07:54] <foxbuntu> average
[07:55] <foxbuntu> usually no more than 50-60% system util
[07:55] <OpenMedia> superm1_: Yeah looking good, no major show stoppers.
[07:55] <foxbuntu> it has a AMD AM2 3200+ and 768MB
[07:56] <foxbuntu> all sitting on sata
[07:56] <foxbuntu> and a video card that takes all the video output load
[07:56] <foxbuntu> a PCI-E NVidia 7900GT
[08:03] <foxbuntu> OpenMediaany ideas?
[08:07] <OpenMedia> Sorry not off hand. I'll have a think.
[08:08] <OpenMedia> Gotta bale guys. Catch you later
[08:08] <foxbuntu> later
[10:44] <laga> superm1__: thanks! :)
[01:50] <Nixus_Maximus> are there any germans in here who use the "tvmovie2vdr"-script to get epg-data?
[01:52] <laga> try #mythtv-de
[01:52] <Nixus_Maximus> thx
[01:52] <laga> and, uh, stop asking meta questionjs :)
[01:52] <laga> s/questionjs/questions/
[04:47] <rogue780> moooooooo
[05:05] <rogue780> superm1__, you there?
[05:06] <rogue780> I just tried the newest mythbuntu build on a pc that I've gotten mythbuntu to work on before....after I tell it to start mythbuntu, hangs for a while
[05:06] <rogue780> then a box pops up with "I/O error" "Error reading boot CD."
[05:07] <rogue780> and at the top I think it says "Loading isolinux: Disk error AA, AX =42AA, Drive DF" that last might be 0F..can't tell as the text is all grainy
[05:09] <rogue780> won't even let me check the cd for errors
[05:10] <rogue780> I guess this latest version of ubuntu is "no gutsy, no glory..." I'm horrible
[05:33] <OpenMediaSupport> rogue780: Hmmm Bad CD driver me thinks
[05:34] <OpenMediaSupport> Sorry 3:30 am here so i'm a bit scrambled
[05:35] <OpenMediaSupport> Want  a laugh. I'm recording Live Earth which is scheduled as a single 22hr program here in NZ. With pre+post that makes it a single 24hr 75Gb recording. Just hope it works.
[05:36] <OpenMediaSupport> Sorry rogue780 I meant bad CD drive - run a head cleaner or try a different driver
[05:36] <OpenMediaSupport> sorry drive.... some how driver kinda gets auto typed by my fingers at this time in the morning.
[06:02] <superm1__> laga, you here?
[06:02] <superm1__> OpenMediaSupport, know how you feel - i tab complete my thoughts all the time :)
[06:02] <rogue780> OpenMediaSupport, it's the same problem in two different computers with two different drives, both of which are under 1 year old
[06:04] <rogue780> although in my second computer I get "Disk error 80, AX = 4200 drive 9F"
[06:04] <superm1__> and the burn checks out as okay?
[06:04] <superm1__> in the boot menu?
[06:05] <rogue780> at first I thought it was still that SATA bug...but it won't even let me check the CD for defects
[06:05] <superm1> that sounds like a bad burn to me then
[06:05] <rogue780> I'm verifying MD5SUM AWS
[06:05] <superm1> can you burn it at a slower speed?
[06:06] <superm1> or to a different brand of media?
[06:07] <rogue780> I'll try slower speed
[06:07] <rogue780> 12X should be fine right?
[06:07] <superm1> well its all a matter of how good the media
[06:07] <superm1> is
[06:07] <superm1> if its cheapo media, then faster speeds are more apt to fail
[06:08] <rogue780> it's the cheapest the PX sells ;)
[06:08] <rogue780> I think I'll run it at 8x
[06:20] <laga> superm1: yes
[06:20] <superm1> laga, i've been messing a lot with your postinst
[06:21] <superm1> and i've got things to work now (with what appears to be a purge)
[06:21] <superm1> but its not exactly smart enough to disable the settings the second time around
[06:21] <superm1> if you dpkg-reconfigure mythweb
[06:21] <laga> disable what settings?
[06:21] <superm1> the htdigest
[06:21] <superm1> asking for password and such
[06:22] <laga> heh
[06:22] <rogue780> well I'll be damned.
[06:22] <laga> i've probably left in a purge somewhere
[06:22] <laga> let's see.
[06:22] <rogue780> it works!
[06:22] <laga> superm1: have you bzr pushed?
[06:22] <superm1> haha rogue780 great
[06:22] <superm1> laga, i'll push right now
[06:24] <laga> i've been busy with my xmltv grabber lately. today i used mythfilldatabase --file the first time on its ouput. it felt very good when it worked :)
[06:25] <superm1> was the xmltv grabber broke?
[06:25] <superm1> okay revno 14 should show where i'm at
[06:25] <superm1> and you can see what i've added
[06:26] <laga> ours tend to break often :) i'm writing a new one that'll use an XML data feed instead of screen scraping. you'll have to pay for the data, though
[06:27] <superm1> well we may start to feel your pain depending what happens in sept with TMS and Zap2It
[06:27] <laga> yup
[06:30] <laga> hum
[06:31] <superm1> i wasn't sure why you had that cp --remove-destination business
[06:31] <superm1> and a few other things
[06:31] <laga> that's probably just cruft :)
[06:35] <superm1> er actually that is starting to work now - i had a typo in sed
[06:35] <superm1> do the rest of the changes look sane though to you (given you wree running into lots of issues before)
[06:35] <laga> heh
[06:36] <laga> looks pretty good to me
[06:36] <laga> superm1: i usually run into a lot of issues because i'm not reading the documentation properly :)
[06:36] <laga> superm1: looks good
[06:36] <superm1> is there a reason you named mythweb.digest as so?
[06:36] <superm1> instaed of mythweb-digest
[06:36] <superm1> following the rest of the file names in that directory
[06:37] <laga> no reason
[06:37] <laga> i'll modify it here..
[06:37] <laga> superm1: do you reset username and password in the debconf database? AFAIK you're not suppose to leave sensitive information there
[06:38] <superm1> No i dont -
[06:38] <superm1> didn't know about that
[06:39] <laga> there was a rather embarrassing security 'hole' in ubuntu some time ago because some passwords were stored in debconf, AFAIK
[06:39] <superm1> well debconf passwords can only be read as root though
[06:39] <laga> i don't know if you have to remove them for web apps, though. you might want to talk to your favourite ubuntu master ;)
[06:40] <laga> really?
[06:40] <laga> nice
[06:40] <superm1> i thought so,
[06:40] <superm1> they are stored in /var/cache i think
[06:40] <superm1> in a passwords.dat
[06:40] <superm1> which is cleartext, but -rw-rw---- as root:root
[06:41] <laga> cool
[06:41] <laga> now i have to backport your changes to 'my' branch. gnaa :)
[06:41] <superm1> well wait till i'm done
[06:41] <superm1> i've still got a few rough edges i'm sorting
[06:41] <laga> thanks for doing that :)
[06:42] <superm1> but you should check out the changes on the mythtv-
[06:42] <superm1> branch
[06:42] <superm1> i've got some stuff to prefill the database
[06:42] <superm1> and change MasterServerIp and BackendServerIp
[06:42] <superm1> and check for ext3 file systems
[06:42] <superm1> during installation
[06:42] <laga> nice
[06:42] <superm1> it will have to be done a bit differently for trunk packaging - but its a nice change
[06:42] <laga> i'll try to track that in a few days
[06:43] <laga> i'd like to get this grabber in an usable state first and use my new playstation 2 a lot :)
[06:43] <superm1> your coding on your ps2?
[06:43] <laga> no
[06:44] <laga> it's more like.. playing games, you know? :)
[06:44] <superm1> oh haha
[06:44] <superm1> i read that completely wrong
[06:45] <laga> :)
[06:51] <foxbuntu_> superm1: is that Street or Ave. for your addy?
[06:51] <superm1> Street
[06:51] <superm1> it runs east west
[06:51] <foxbuntu_> ok
[06:51] <superm1> ave runs north south in the town
[06:51] <superm1> the town is broken into 4 quadrants
[06:51] <foxbuntu_> welll see you in 3 hours then
[06:51] <superm1> NW SW NE SE
[06:52] <superm1> you can easily mix them up
[06:52] <superm1> if you forgot to put NW in my address
[06:52] <superm1> when you gmapped it
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> im no using google maps
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> I have a gps
[06:52] <superm1> well same thing
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> yea
[06:52] <superm1> make sure you put the NW in the address
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> kk
[06:52] <superm1> ok cya
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> i am headed out the door right now
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> lata
[07:15] <rogue780> superm1, I may have found a bug w/the live cd
[07:15] <superm1> oh?
[07:16] <rogue780> when watching a recording that had about 7 minutes left when you started watching it, when you get to about 53 minutes it won't let you skip forward anymore
[07:16] <superm1> when in live cd mode?
[07:16] <superm1> or in install?
[07:16] <rogue780> live cd mode
[07:16] <rogue780> I haven't tried to install yet
[07:17] <superm1> well it should be the same either way though
[07:17] <superm1> its the same packages
[07:17] <superm1> matter of fact the same ones as in feisty
[07:17] <superm1> *gutsy
[07:18] <superm1> so you more likely hit some mythtv related bug
[07:19] <superm1> is this a digital recording?
[07:19] <superm1> or analogue
[07:20] <rogue780> analogue--it's from basic cable via a pvr-150
[07:25] <rogue780> XvMC works outta the box though. that's good
[07:33] <superm1> wow XvMC worked out of the box?
[07:33] <superm1> what kind of card?
[07:33] <superm1> intel?
[07:38] <rogue780> superm1, nvidia....I'm assuming it works since I turned it on and stuff played...is there another way to confirm this?
[07:39] <superm1> ah okay then i'm pretty sure it wouldnt have worked
[07:39] <superm1> it fell back to xv
[07:39] <superm1> the way to confirm would have been a b/w osd
[07:39] <superm1> the nvidia proprietary driver isn't activated on the live mode
[07:39] <superm1> just the open source variant
[07:40] <rogue780> ah
[07:41] <rogue780> firefox looks kinda goofy...the theme clashes with the titlebar
[07:43] <rogue780> afk
[07:46] <superm1> yea thats what OpenMediaSupport was saying too
[09:04] <laga> um
[09:05] <laga> does mythbuntu have special support for tv-outs? eg for pc-based set top boxen like the s100?
[09:08] <superm1> special support?
[09:08] <superm1> it configures either nvidia or fglrx drivers for tv out
[09:08] <superm1> if desired
[09:08] <laga> never mind, $someone got $something wrong
[09:09] <laga> well, there's a special intel driver called IEGD which supports some tv-out encoders (not open source)
[09:09] <superm1> okay well i think that the package is all done now, but as i do a test install both this and the last version are now showing css sheets
[09:09] <superm1> oh
[09:09] <laga> but i wouldn't worry about that for now
[09:09] <laga> css sheets?
[09:09] <superm1> as in no blue background, icons etc
[09:09] <superm1> no organized page
[09:10] <superm1> i wonder if it was just a fluke or what though.
[09:10] <laga> :(
[09:10] <superm1> i'll reboot the VM and try again i guess
[10:20] <perlmonkey> hi guys, could use some help
[10:20] <perlmonkey> I
[10:20] <perlmonkey> I'm having problems tuning my PVR150 card into terrestrial tv channels
[10:50] <rogue780> perlmonkey, what seems to be going on?
[10:50] <perlmonkey> hi rogue
[10:51] <rogue780> hello
[10:51] <perlmonkey> well Im trying to tune my card into tv stations but getting a bit confused
[10:51] <rogue780> first off, what country are you in?
[10:51] <perlmonkey> UK
[10:52] <perlmonkey> im sort of semi-experienced with mythtv so you wont need to spoon food me, i have setup 1 backend and 2 frontends already, but just not with terrestrial tv
[10:53] <perlmonkey> here is where I am now and what the problem looks like...
[10:53] <rogue780> ok...
[10:54] <perlmonkey> I installed a master backend, which has a PVR 150 card with terrestrial tv aeral going into the tuner, and I setup the UK tv source and clicked on scan for channels, its added a dozen or so channels (there are only 5 tv channels available for terrestrial analogue tv in UK) and when I try and watch live tv, the channels are not tuned properly, all sloppy pictures
[10:55] <perlmonkey> I dunno if I screwed up by doing "scan for channels"
[10:56] <perlmonkey> :-/
[10:57] <perlmonkey> when I setup a backend using my cable box on composite input I had no problems at all, it worked immediately
[10:57] <perlmonkey> never needed to scan for channels or anything
[10:58] <rogue780> ummm...lets just double check. in your setup you have the proper selection for UK broadcast selected...try manually adding channels? sorry I can't be much help...I use US cable and am not sure what could be the problem :-\ although I think this might be a better question for mythtv-users. Also, if you plug your antenna directly into your tv do you get better picture?
[10:58] <perlmonkey> but I'm thinking, since the tuner is being used now with an aeral, that's gotta be tuned up eh
[10:58] <perlmonkey> ok
[10:59] <perlmonkey> good question, I haven't tried to use the antenna in tv to verify the tv signal, I should really
[10:59] <perlmonkey> i know it worked some years ago before I got cable, but anything could of happened since then, maybe my antenna blew away ;-)
[11:00] <rogue780> brb
[11:03] <rogue780> ack
[11:03] <rogue780> back*
[11:08] <OpenMediaSupport> Morning :)
[11:08] <OpenMediaSupport> Upto 13.5 hours of Live Earth now.
[11:13] <perlmonkey>  wow
[11:13] <perlmonkey> you're recording it all?
[11:13] <rogue780> so...what's this live earth thing?
[11:13] <perlmonkey> the biggest concert ever
[11:14] <perlmonkey> to raise awareness and money for climate change
[11:14] <OpenMediaSupport> 22hrs of it
[11:14] <perlmonkey> haha
[11:14] <perlmonkey> Americans eh
[11:14] <perlmonkey> I recorded the 7hr Diana concert
[11:14] <OpenMediaSupport> Started in AU + JP and then worked it way around the globe
[11:14] <OpenMediaSupport> perlmonkey: we didn't get that live here in NZ
[11:15] <perlmonkey> :-/
[11:16] <rogue780> right...so a concert, which AFAIK is only known of in the UK and other "Britishesque" places is going to convince corporations not to outsource highly polluting manufacturing plants to third world countries? or convince us Americans, who waste so much more than the rest of the world, to stop wasting stuff?
[11:17] <OpenMediaSupport> Well it was organised by Al Gore
[11:17] <rogue780> and he is the very image of America...
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[11:17] <rogue780> I'm not sure what the rest of the world thinks of Al Gore...but most people here think he's a dolt
[11:18] <perlmonkey> he's much respected and admired in Europe
[11:18] <perlmonkey> quite an intelligent chap, I saw an interview with him on the tv here
[11:19] <OpenMediaSupport> and the rest of the world thinks that Bush is a dolt.
[11:19] <OpenMediaSupport> or worse
[11:20] <rogue780> so was Charles de Gaulle (regarding European admiration and such)
[11:21] <perlmonkey> Bush is like a monkey that somehow rigged the election and got in as president
[11:21] <perlmonkey> just think if Al Gore was in now the world would be a much better place
[11:21] <OpenMediaSupport> anyhow recording a sing 24 hour program with MythTV should be an interesting stress test.
[11:21] <perlmonkey> yes indeed
[11:22] <perlmonkey> how much storage space do you have?
[11:22] <OpenMediaSupport> about 130Gb to start.
[11:22] <perlmonkey> phew
[11:22] <OpenMediaSupport> C4 here in NZ averages about 3Gb/Hr on their DVB-S feed
[11:22] <perlmonkey> what are you recording at per hour? less than 2gb?
[11:22] <OpenMediaSupport> so it will need around 75Gb
[11:22] <perlmonkey> woah
[11:23] <OpenMediaSupport> Yeah they average around 6Mbit on their signal. so the quality is excellent for SD
[11:26] <rogue780> afk for a while