[01:00] superm1_: did you catch the digg post about the mythtv in a car? [01:01] i saw its headline [01:01] but didnt look at it yet [01:02] there have been people that have done it before [01:02] its pretty sweet [01:02] with some elaborate video syncing setups [01:02] via wifi and such [01:02] great idea...but...I am not about to hack up the dash of my lexus for his design [01:02] ha [01:02] it was in a lexus? [01:03] no, but it was a newer mazda 3 [01:04] ah i see [01:05] later on tonight i'm going to hack together the start of my CD/flash drive frontend script [01:06] so that you can boot the cd up [01:06] and have a flash drive plugged in [01:06] with a small config file [01:06] nice [01:06] which will mount nfs/samba for you, and connect to your backend [01:06] yea...I got the great new this afternoon that my washer wasnt salvagable [01:06] eventually i want to expand it to be able to run the backend that way too - but thats a long way away [01:07] wish you had a discount on a new one now eh? [01:07] so I had to drop 700 on a new one today [01:07] yea [01:07] would have been nice [01:07] well you didn't have to - you could have just done them by hand :) [01:16] sure sure [01:16] you can come help then === OpenMediaSupport [n=steve@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:19] I am prob going to play wayyy too much Wii this weekend [01:19] Kate went out of town to visit her friend Amy [01:19] haha [01:19] go get zelda [01:19] and play that for the weekend [01:20] I already did [01:20] it will keep you busy [01:20] the first 1-2 hours is slow, but its hard to put down after that [01:20] I have logged 5.5 hours into the game already [01:20] very good :) [01:21] I just beat the boss of the Forest Temple this afternoon [01:21] 5.5 hours and thats it ? :) [01:22] well I am a bit futher beond that tho [01:22] beyond [01:23] maybe sometime this weekend i should revisit finishing my last side quest in it [01:23] that was just the last major point [01:23] i've got some 45 or 55 hours logged in the game - and all major quests and all but one side quest done [01:23] nice [01:24] I only have a little ways to go then [01:24] well I spent 15 mins beating supermario today too [01:24] lol [01:24] ? [01:24] the first one [01:25] I beat the game in ~15 mins [01:25] ah [01:25] which is a bit slow...it can be done in about 9 [01:26] but I am already almost a Wii bowling pro too [01:26] only a few points to go [01:26] you sure are keeping busy with this thing [01:26] yea... [01:26] keeps me from doing work at night [01:27] :) [01:32] I need to get my Xbox on Ebay this weekend though === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [02:00] superm1_: hey I am having problems all the sudden with buffer errors on my tuner [02:00] and the video is choppy === foxbuntu is rolling on the floor in laughter at tonights John Stewart === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54A5D783.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:50] okay now i'm trying to debate what priority to make the question in the mythtv packaging regarding whether to listen on a public port or bind to localhost [02:55] considering the convenience it can provide i think a default of no, but show both questions is best? [03:34] I would phrase the question as Local host or public making localhost default and (Recommended for a single Machine) [03:38] well i was actually rethinking it a bit [03:38] perhaps something a little more user friendly wording wise [03:38] asking if they are using other mythtv machines too [03:38] or something to that effect [03:38] rather than it being too technical [03:54] that would probably be best === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:16] foxbuntu: What type of tuner have you got. [04:17] 2 pvr-150 mce's [04:17] superm1_: Just done a clean install on a clean HD. Just need to confirm all of the hardware support [04:17] how fast was it on real hardware to install? I've only installed to a usb drive - so its hard to guage [04:17] Ok - cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes [04:18] superm1_: Good given the age of the driver - an old 10G Quantum [04:18] awesome [04:18] Was it supposed to detect the bcop based DVB-S cards? [04:19] viper@viper:~$ cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes [04:19] 3533 [04:19] Also it wouldn't let me add in two IVTV based tuners. [04:19] Put this in /etc/sysctl.conf [04:19] vm.min_free_kbytes=16384 [04:19] superm1_: I'd recommend putting this value on ALL myth boxes anyway. [04:19] Got a customer with two PVR-500 cards and we had to double that value when he runs it hard [04:20] OpenMediaSupport, that hardware selection stuff for the tuners doesnt do anything yet either which way [04:20] what does that value do? [04:20] superm1_: Fine. [04:20] The value make sure that your min free memory is set to 16Meg [04:20] there isn't any reason why they shouldn't be supported by the kernel - [04:20] the dvb-s [04:20] min free physical memory? [04:20] That way when the ivtv driver wants a new large block it should be readily available. [04:21] Otherwise the time it takes to recover the blocks can mean frame drops [04:21] Search ivtv + min_free_bytes for some refs [04:21] oh very interesting [04:21] Want me to log in as a bug? [04:22] well what are the repercussions of changing this? [04:22] to someone with little ram already [04:22] I hope its that simple..I have been fighting this off and on for a few weeks now [04:23] Define little ram. I wouldn't use Myth with less than 256 [04:23] Also the new patches in fixes and trunk reduce the memory footprint thanks to the new icon/theme cache anyway [04:23] oh thats great to hear - [04:24] glad to be running on newer -fixes then :) [04:24] Just means less memory used as "cached" [04:24] well little ram being 384 [04:24] or 512 [04:24] myPVR is 512 [04:24] okay and things are okay with it then - [04:24] Well actually less as some is reserved for video ram [04:25] Basically with IVTV cards you can't run without it. [04:25] so why isn't this the default on installs? [04:25] Don't know. [04:25] I enable it on all customer boxes [04:26] okay file a bug against mythbuntu then - i'll make sure its added into the build script [04:26] no kidding...I even switched the cards around in the PCI slots last week trying to fix this [04:26] foxbuntu: you can change it on the fly without rebooting. You should be a lot better then. [04:26] oh, well I gave the ol girl a reboot anyhow [04:27] see MythTV and I get along, well, Kind of the same why my wife and I get along...stuck with her for life and shes always a pain in the ass [04:28] lol [04:28] but I sure do love them [04:28] ;) [04:29] man superm1_ wtf you gotta be 5 hours away for...this weekend would be a great weekend to go get stupid drunk [04:30] foxbuntu, if you wanna drive up tomorrow your welcome :) [04:30] i'm just working on ubiquity and autostart stuff all day [04:30] that actually aint a half bad idea [04:31] i dont think i'm 5 hours though from you [04:31] maybe 3.5 or 4 [04:31] you can crash here for the night === OpenMedia [n=sellis@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:31] i've got an extra blow up mattress and a futon [04:31] im me your addy [04:44] man does firefox look odd with the default theme [04:44] yea i noticed that too [04:44] everything else looks good with it [04:44] Also missing the initial ubuntu homepage [04:44] right, eventually i was going to need to find a way to make the default mythbuntu.org [04:44] there is a good firefox theme out there that would match up better [04:44] but haven't looked aroudn yet [04:44] foxbuntu, its the gtk theme that is making it look odd [04:44] the one that you made based around blueheart [04:44] oh [04:44] yeah...there are some known issues with firefox and my theme [04:44] I need to do more testing with it...but firefox handles GTK themes strange [04:44] I think its becuase firefox was designed to be theme independant, having its own profiles and themes [04:44] oh === defendguin [n=supertux@gulfal-host-cip525-01.gulftel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:44] superm1_: whats the best way to report a mythbuntu bug ? [04:44] through the bug tracker at http://launchpad.net/mythbuntu [04:45] Ah i keep going to ~mythbuntu [04:47] foxbuntu - want to mail me the kernel error you see for the buffer problem [04:48] yeah...but Id have to break it again [04:48] tv works great now [04:48] :) [04:48] No worries I'll find a referernce in the IVTV mailing list archive [05:01] New bug: #124514 in mythbuntu "IVTV driver can run out of buffers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124514 [05:02] ah great. thanks [05:04] Don't worry there's more [05:06] New bug: #124515 in mythbuntu "Default theme firefox issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124515 [05:22] keescook, you here? === OpenMedia [n=sellis@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:47] superm1_: you still around? [05:47] yes [05:47] chugging along on a few patches:) [05:48] On my old knoppmyth system I could modify the database in scripts by just doing [05:48] mysql -u root mythconverg << EOF [05:48] Now in mythbuntu I need to make sure I read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt [05:48] which is fine. [05:48] Problem is when I run [05:49] mysql -u mythtv -p password mythconverg [05:49] I just get a bunch of help output rather than a DB session. [05:49] So whats so different? [05:56] let see [05:57] what are you passing in other than the EOF? [05:57] nothing? [05:57] you should be getting your db session when you do that [05:57] Well normally I could just do "mysql -u root mythconverg" for an interactive session [05:57] In theory I should be able to do "mysql -u mythtv -p password mythconverg" but that doesn't work [05:58] oh! [05:58] you have to do it like this [05:58] mysql -u mythtv -ppassword mythconverg [05:58] Argh... Damn it.. [05:58] yea that bit me yesterday [05:59] All of the myPVR smarts relied on -u root as that works on Knoppmyth. If I read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt I can make them work on Knoppmyth and Ubuntu [05:59] well you can do -u root still [05:59] there is no password by default - [05:59] but if you chose one during the mythbuntu install of course [06:00] then just -p$PASSWORD [06:00] in your scripts [06:00] On knoppmyth root didn't have a DB password. [06:00] then that command shouldn't have changed at all [06:00] -u root won't work. Try it [06:01] works fine [06:01] Access denied [06:01] just did it off the live cd [06:01] did you set a password during install then? [06:01] Ah.. Different on an install. [06:01] Hmm.. Don't think so. [06:01] you can reset it if you did via sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 [06:02] Nope still get an EROR 1045 [06:02] sorry ERROR 1405 [06:03] when you reset it - you put in a new password? [06:03] or left it blank [06:03] blank just means "dont change it" [06:04] Ok so how do you reset it to none? [06:04] erk - login as root with a password [06:04] and then issue this [06:05] USE mysql; [06:05] UPDATE user SET PASSWORD("") WHERE USER='root'; [06:05] FLUSH PRIVILEGES; [06:06] Cheers [06:06] UPDATE user SET PASSWORD="" where USER='root'; [06:07] yes [06:07] my bad, typing from memory :) [06:07] Know the feeling. [06:08] I'll change my scripts over eventually, but setting a blank passwd will let me catch some of the bigger bugs [06:08] right [06:10] Cool. My openvpn support stuff just works. [06:11] Been cleaning up my meta packages as I don't need some custom stuff that is already in Ubuntu like the ivtv firmware, and my custom ivtv-drivers [06:11] ah openvpn support - cool way to do it [06:11] you leave the openvpn port open on the box [06:11] and then you can get in at will? [06:12] I have management menus to enable/disable support via the MythTV menus [06:12] Customer then has the control [06:12] oh thats pretty sweet [06:13] how do you handle getting through their router then? [06:13] They connect to my VPN sandbox. [06:13] ah that'd be it [06:13] i've helped a few people over the web via a reverse port forward from them sshing into my box [06:14] openvpn rocks. [06:15] i used it on my router for a bit rather than WEP/WPA [06:15] tunneled everything through openvpn [06:15] but my router just dies when too much traffic is going through that [06:17] its a weak little wrt54g [06:19] Odd i've imported my signing key for packges, but it still says packages from my apt repository are unsigned. [06:19] have to apt-get update [06:19] after importing your key [06:28] superm1_: you don't include mythrename.pl as standard. [06:28] its in the contrib directory [06:28] /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib [06:28] i think [06:28] I've found I need a 'pretty' directory for samba exports or customers get confused. [06:28] yeah there is a pl.gz [06:28] i have one myself [06:28] for the same reason, on the samba exports [06:29] how frequently do you run it? [06:30] every hour [06:30] ah okay [06:30] It in cron.hourly [06:30] i've got mine set to every 5 minutes [06:33] I have one customer ask if he could set the EPG grabber to run every minute so that he always had uptodate EPG data [06:33] haha. maybe EIT.... [06:33] but that would be it [06:34] EIT data here updates about twice a day on average. He thought it would update live if the program was running late - typical consumer expectation of the technology [06:36] ah yup [06:42] laga, why is mythdvd missing from your trunk rules file? [06:44] and also why is there two dh_installdebconf -i's [06:44] shouldn't one be a -s === foxbuntu is waiting for the superm1_ mii to get his butt kicked by the foxbuntu mii [06:51] superm1_: Any thoughts on enabling mythwelcome? We use it to make it easier to recover from a frontend crash [06:51] OpenMedia, there actually should be support in that build for a very easy way to do it [06:51] via a file in /etc/default [06:51] let me check the exact name of it [06:52] checkout /etc/mythtv/session-settings [06:52] you uncomment that and log back into X [06:52] and mythwelcome is used [06:52] Sweet. I can live with that. [07:03] Weird. One of my packages is exiting with an error 243 during post install, but I can cleanly run the post install script on its own [07:04] use set -e ? [07:04] in the top [07:04] or #!/bin/sh -e [07:08] Same error no additional output [07:08] weird. [07:08] what sort of things are you doing in there? [07:09] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28929/ [07:10] whats in the postinst? [07:12] I think its the mythfilldatabase run. [07:15] Yup that was it [07:18] Sweet.. All good now [07:18] I had no sources defined and the error from mythfilldatabase was propogating back [07:18] ah [07:26] Ok looking good. Damn good [07:26] so a fairly painless run? [07:27] Getting there. Some differences with sudoers and smb.conf that need looking at because of how our support scripts run. [07:27] superm1_: my Wii bowling is up to 1255 [07:27] :) [07:40] superm1_: Sweet.. The backported patches work. Watching MHEG-5 EPG on mythbuntu. [07:40] awesome :) [07:40] Even looks better. Must be some positioning bugs on the old Knoppmyth libraries. [07:41] that checkout from 0.20-fixes is very recent [07:41] within 1-2 weeks [07:41] and i have a new one ready from tonight [07:41] as soon as keescook is able to look it over and upload [07:43] Ever seen http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28934/ [07:43] yes [07:43] its because of a new glib [07:43] it means that the application in question isn't following glib invocation rules [07:44] fine [07:44] there are dozens of bugs supported about them right now [07:44] i'd anticipate by release they be sorted out though [07:45] the only really "bad" one i know right now is VLC [07:45] Cool Well i'm done for now. [07:46] Need to set the box up to record Live Earth as its the only one with enough spare disk [07:46] so mythbuntu is feasible then - no big show stopper stuff on your end ? [07:49] OpenMediaSupport: thanks for the help earlier...my IVTV card seem much happier now [07:50] actually... [07:51] [ 5247.272000] ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data. [07:51] [ 5247.272000] ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough. [07:52] its not jumping tho [07:54] foxbuntu: Thats a know MythTV error that Hans moans about. Whats the load on your box like? [07:54] average [07:55] usually no more than 50-60% system util [07:55] superm1_: Yeah looking good, no major show stoppers. [07:55] it has a AMD AM2 3200+ and 768MB [07:56] all sitting on sata [07:56] and a video card that takes all the video output load [07:56] a PCI-E NVidia 7900GT [08:03] OpenMediaany ideas? [08:07] Sorry not off hand. I'll have a think. [08:08] Gotta bale guys. Catch you later [08:08] later === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5D783.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1__ [n=superm1@66-188-198-184.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mythtv.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Topic for #ubuntu-mythtv: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv:: Mythbuntu 7.10 Alpha 2: http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org :: See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV" === Topic (#ubuntu-mythtv): set by superm1 at Tue Jul 3 00:45:59 2007 [10:44] superm1__: thanks! :) === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === Nixus_Maximus [n=simon@i577B5E98.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:50] are there any germans in here who use the "tvmovie2vdr"-script to get epg-data? [01:52] try #mythtv-de [01:52] thx [01:52] and, uh, stop asking meta questionjs :) [01:52] s/questionjs/questions/ === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-49-185.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Nixus_Maximus [n=simon@i577B5E98.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === foxbuntu_ [n=chatzill@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === rooaus [n=cameron@ppp121-44-238-33.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:47] moooooooo [05:05] superm1__, you there? [05:06] I just tried the newest mythbuntu build on a pc that I've gotten mythbuntu to work on before....after I tell it to start mythbuntu, hangs for a while [05:06] then a box pops up with "I/O error" "Error reading boot CD." [05:07] and at the top I think it says "Loading isolinux: Disk error AA, AX =42AA, Drive DF" that last might be 0F..can't tell as the text is all grainy [05:09] won't even let me check the cd for errors [05:10] I guess this latest version of ubuntu is "no gutsy, no glory..." I'm horrible === rooaus [n=cameron@ppp121-44-238-33.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [05:33] rogue780: Hmmm Bad CD driver me thinks [05:34] Sorry 3:30 am here so i'm a bit scrambled [05:35] Want a laugh. I'm recording Live Earth which is scheduled as a single 22hr program here in NZ. With pre+post that makes it a single 24hr 75Gb recording. Just hope it works. [05:36] Sorry rogue780 I meant bad CD drive - run a head cleaner or try a different driver [05:36] sorry drive.... some how driver kinda gets auto typed by my fingers at this time in the morning. [06:02] laga, you here? [06:02] OpenMediaSupport, know how you feel - i tab complete my thoughts all the time :) [06:02] OpenMediaSupport, it's the same problem in two different computers with two different drives, both of which are under 1 year old [06:04] although in my second computer I get "Disk error 80, AX = 4200 drive 9F" [06:04] and the burn checks out as okay? [06:04] in the boot menu? [06:05] at first I thought it was still that SATA bug...but it won't even let me check the CD for defects [06:05] that sounds like a bad burn to me then [06:05] I'm verifying MD5SUM AWS [06:05] can you burn it at a slower speed? [06:06] or to a different brand of media? === rogue780 just realized that GnomeBaker doesn't show MD5SUM [06:07] I'll try slower speed [06:07] 12X should be fine right? [06:07] well its all a matter of how good the media [06:07] is [06:07] if its cheapo media, then faster speeds are more apt to fail [06:08] it's the cheapest the PX sells ;) [06:08] I think I'll run it at 8x [06:20] superm1: yes [06:20] laga, i've been messing a lot with your postinst [06:21] and i've got things to work now (with what appears to be a purge) [06:21] but its not exactly smart enough to disable the settings the second time around [06:21] if you dpkg-reconfigure mythweb [06:21] disable what settings? [06:21] the htdigest [06:21] asking for password and such [06:22] heh [06:22] well I'll be damned. [06:22] i've probably left in a purge somewhere [06:22] let's see. [06:22] it works! [06:22] superm1: have you bzr pushed? [06:22] haha rogue780 great [06:22] laga, i'll push right now [06:24] i've been busy with my xmltv grabber lately. today i used mythfilldatabase --file the first time on its ouput. it felt very good when it worked :) [06:25] was the xmltv grabber broke? [06:25] okay revno 14 should show where i'm at [06:25] and you can see what i've added [06:26] ours tend to break often :) i'm writing a new one that'll use an XML data feed instead of screen scraping. you'll have to pay for the data, though [06:27] well we may start to feel your pain depending what happens in sept with TMS and Zap2It [06:27] yup [06:30] hum [06:31] i wasn't sure why you had that cp --remove-destination business [06:31] and a few other things [06:31] that's probably just cruft :) [06:35] er actually that is starting to work now - i had a typo in sed [06:35] do the rest of the changes look sane though to you (given you wree running into lots of issues before) [06:35] heh [06:36] looks pretty good to me [06:36] superm1: i usually run into a lot of issues because i'm not reading the documentation properly :) [06:36] superm1: looks good [06:36] is there a reason you named mythweb.digest as so? [06:36] instaed of mythweb-digest [06:36] following the rest of the file names in that directory [06:37] no reason [06:37] i'll modify it here.. [06:37] superm1: do you reset username and password in the debconf database? AFAIK you're not suppose to leave sensitive information there [06:38] No i dont - [06:38] didn't know about that [06:39] there was a rather embarrassing security 'hole' in ubuntu some time ago because some passwords were stored in debconf, AFAIK [06:39] well debconf passwords can only be read as root though [06:39] i don't know if you have to remove them for web apps, though. you might want to talk to your favourite ubuntu master ;) [06:40] really? [06:40] nice [06:40]