[12:27] <Jester45> its gcc....
[12:27] <Jester45> like i said
[12:28] <Howdy125> 128 megs here and xubuntu runs about 70% faser than freespire does on this old laptop .. :)
[12:28] <Howdy125> I am a happy camper...
[12:29] <__Serge__> cool
[12:49] <cellofellow> Is there a way to make symlinks with Thunar?
[12:49] <Jester45> you can make a link to the desktop
[12:50] <Jester45> right click send to desktop (create a link)
[12:50] <cellofellow> hmm
[12:50] <cellofellow> but no Copy/Paste Link?
[12:58] <twiggz> will apt-get upgrade work easily to get from 6.06 to the latest release?
[12:59] <Jester45> its dist-upgrade
[12:59] <Jester45> but many people have had problems upgrading over more than 1 version
[01:04] <twiggz> bummer.
[01:05] <twiggz> im not an ubuntu user....but the gf needs a better OS and i dont particularly feel like downloading another damn cd....so i reckon she will have to give that a try. or live with zenwalk like normal people.
[01:07] <grumpymole> twiggz: The amount you will have to download to upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04 will be almost the same as downloading the CD image for 7.04
[01:07] <Howdy125> Does xubuntu ship cd's ?
[01:07] <Jester45> nope
[01:07] <Howdy125> k
[01:07] <Jester45> you can install a ubuntu server then install xubuntu-desktop
[01:18] <__Serge__> Hi
[01:18] <__Serge__> i have a question...
[01:19] <BFTD> hi
[01:19] <BFTD> shoot
[01:19] <__Serge__> why should i choose xubuntu instead of ubuntu or kubuntu?
[01:20] <Jester45> because its faster and looks better
[01:20] <Jester45> and why not?
[01:21] <__Serge__> ok but...
[01:22] <__Serge__> i think xubuntu is faster and lighter than ubuntu because it has not some things that ubuntu has...
[01:22] <__Serge__> am i right?
[01:22] <Jester45> partly
[01:23] <Jester45> its not just a striped down gnome
[01:23] <Jester45> its just a alternative to KDE and GNOME that is faster
[01:24] <Jester45> it doesnt have a setting manager for everything like KDE
[01:26] <Jester45> its kinda in the middle GNOME gives little for the user to configure how he/she likes. and KDE has odles of settings. xfce has a number of settings but not 20,000 of them
[01:27] <__Serge__> i see
[01:27] <Jester45> and it has less integrated programs like KDE
[01:27] <__Serge__> but, for example...
[01:27] <__Serge__> can i play music with xubuntu?
[01:27] <Jester45> yes
[01:27] <Jester45> you can install the same packages as ubuntu or kubuntu
[01:27] <__Serge__> nice...
[01:28] <Jester45> they all use the same repo
[01:28] <Jester45> the only diffrence if the defualt installed packages
[01:29] <Jester45> you can take a kubuntu install remove all the KDE stuff and install ubuntu-desktop and you will have an ubuntu install. remove all the GNOME stuff and you can get xubuntu-desktop.
[01:30] <__Serge__> nice...
[01:30] <__Serge__> very flexible stuff...
[01:30] <Jester45> they have the same core packages. doing what i said above noramly leaves leftovers unless you remove every package. one way to isntall xubuntu is install a ubuntu server (command line only) and then isntall xubuntu-desktop to get the gui
[01:31] <Jester45> a lot of xubuntu users use Konversation on their system
[01:31] <Jester45> or replace mousepad with Kate
[01:31] <__Serge__> what is kate?
[01:31] <Jester45> or xfce-terminal with gnomes
[01:31] <BFTD> I use Gedit
[01:31] <Jester45> one of KDE's numerous text editors
[01:32] <__Serge__> ok
[01:33] <Jester45> __Serge__, so if you feel like it you can install xubuntu try it and if you dont like try the other *-desktop packages and find one you like
[01:33] <Jester45> then you might want to install from a cd that desktop because useing the -desktop packages leaves stuff behind
[01:34] <__Serge__> very nice...
[01:34] <__Serge__> i thought it was more difficult...
[01:49] <__Serge__> what about games?
[01:49] <__Serge__> can i play starcraft in x/k/ubuntu?
[01:49] <__Serge__> or soldat, quake, etc?
[01:50] <__Serge__> ?
[01:52] <__Serge__> hello???
[01:54] <__Serge__> ????
[01:54] <__Serge__> anyone?
[01:56] <Jester45> hi
[01:56] <Jester45> you can play windows games via wine or there are a lot of games in the repo
[01:57] <__Serge__> but i want to play starcraft...
[01:57] <__Serge__> can i do it on ubuntu
[01:57] <__Serge__> ?
[01:57] <Jester45> have a look at the app db at wine hq
[01:58] <__Serge__> ok but..........
[01:58] <Jester45> i think you can there is only a small sound problem if i remeber
[01:58] <__Serge__> ....what is wine????
[01:58] <Jester45> wine is a API layer
[01:58] <__Serge__> ....is a what???? : )
[01:58] <Jester45> kinda like an emulator but its not
[01:58] <__Serge__> sorry, i'm a newbie... : P
[01:58] <Jester45> lets you run windows programs in linux
[01:58] <__Serge__> aaaahh.... nice...
[01:58] <Jester45> you cant just run windows programs from linux
[01:59] <Jester45> you need to use wine its pretty good
[01:59] <__Serge__> i see
[01:59] <Jester45> a bit slow
[01:59] <__Serge__> aahhh... because in windows the executables have ".exe"...
[01:59] <__Serge__> and in linux: ".bin"
[02:00] <__Serge__> isn't it?
[02:00] <Jester45> no... because windows has i diffrent api
[02:00] <__Serge__> oh... ok...
[02:00] <__Serge__> what is api?
[02:00] <Jester45> no linux can have an executable with the extension .txt if you wanted
[02:00] <__Serge__> WHAT????
[02:00] <Jester45> wikipedia can tell you a lot about api
[02:01] <Jester45> linux doesnt need an extension to tell it what the file is
[02:01] <__Serge__> okay...
[02:01] <Jester45> many files are just the name
[02:02] <Jester45> and you can make any file an executable... but a plain text file woudnt do anything
[02:02] <__Serge__> interesting
[02:03] <__Serge__> and
[02:03] <Jester45> __Serge__, you should read a lot of wikipedia :) it knows a lot of stuff
[02:03] <__Serge__> can i have something like IRC on ubuntu?
[02:03] <Jester45> ... how do you think im talking to ya
[02:03] <__Serge__> ok, i'll do it : )
[02:03] <Jester45> you can use gaim its preinstalled or xchat wich is more like mirc
[02:03] <__Serge__> lol... of couse... : P
[02:04] <__Serge__> well...
[02:04] <__Serge__> thanx 4 all the info...
[02:04] <__Serge__> oh wait wait
[02:04] <__Serge__> is open office compatible with windows office?
[02:04] <Jester45> yes
[02:04] <__Serge__> but
[02:05] <__Serge__> if i make a .doc file with windows office and i open it with open office.... can open office read it?
[02:05] <Jester45> i dont know about ms powerpoint i dont think you can make them but im pretty sure you can view them
[02:05] <Jester45> yes
[02:05] <__Serge__> really?... nice...
[02:05] <Jester45> and i think mousepad or abiword can also
[02:05] <__Serge__> wow... awesome...
[02:06] <__Serge__> then why i still have windows on my computer? lol... : )
[02:06] <Jester45> linux isnt totally apart from windows... or else less people will use it
[02:06] <__Serge__> yes, i suppose...
[02:07] <__Serge__> what about the virus?
[02:07] <Jester45> __Serge__, and remember if you want to find a program to do somthing use apt-cache search <description>
[02:07] <__Serge__> does ubuntu have anti-virus?
[02:07] <__Serge__> ok, thx... : )
[02:07] <Jester45> __Serge__, virus? what linux doesnt have viruses :)
[02:07] <Jester45> or at least any that can do much
[02:08] <__Serge__> what?? what do you mean?
[02:08] <Jester45> and they are really really really rare
[02:08] <__Serge__> "linux doesn't have viruses"??
[02:08] <Jester45> the most they can do is remove your config files and mabe your multimedia files
[02:10] <__Serge__> hey, i read something...
[02:10] <__Serge__> linux is unaffected by viruses...
[02:10] <__Serge__> !!!!!!
[02:10] <__Serge__> is that true?
[02:10] <zials> mostly true
[02:10] <__Serge__> that's awesome!!
[02:10] <__Serge__> i can't believe it...
[02:11] <Jester45> there is clamav but thats is for scaning files so windows doesnt get it from linux
[02:11] <Jester45> hehe
[02:11] <Jester45> why do you think a lot of web servers run linux/unix/or a bsd
[02:11] <__Serge__> i see...
[02:11] <__Serge__> it's amazing...
[02:11] <zials> theres that, and most linux users don't run as root (equivalent to Admin in windows)
[02:12] <__Serge__> right now i'm using an antiviros that uses like 100MB of RAM
[02:12] <__Serge__> and a lot of CPU
[02:12] <zials> Norton? =p
[02:12] <__Serge__> lol... ; )
[02:12] <zials> Most recommend Avast *shrugs*
[02:13] <__Serge__> and if i don't need an antivirus... then i'll have a lot more free cpu and ram...
[02:13] <Jester45> norton is  the worst and it cost money... kinda like windows
[02:13] <__Serge__> yeah...
[02:13] <Jester45> and your harddrive will seem faster becuase your not using ntfs
[02:13] <__Serge__> now i understand why Tarantino made "Kill BILL"...
[02:13] <__Serge__> lol...
[02:14] <zials> heh
[02:14] <Jester45> many of jokes on that
[02:15] <__Serge__> lol...
[02:15] <__Serge__> So... what has windows that x/k/ubuntu has not?
[02:15] <Jester45> umm
[02:15] <Jester45> thats a good one
[02:15] <__Serge__> : P
[02:16] <Jester45> some special programs that you cant get to run under wine
[02:16] <__Serge__> like which one?
[02:16] <__Serge__> aaahh..
[02:16] <Jester45> or... no free upgrades
[02:16] <__Serge__> like notepad++, for example?
[02:16] <__Serge__> i love that text editor
[02:16] <Jester45> well thats use you look at the native linux things
[02:17] <Jester45> windows has aero... o wait we got compiz-fusion linux wins
[02:17] <__Serge__> : P
[02:17] <__Serge__> but does ubuntu have any program that plays mp3?
[02:17] <__Serge__> and wma?
[02:18] <Jester45> yea you want a list
[02:18] <__Serge__> lol...
[02:18] <__Serge__> well, if u recommend me one or two i'll be happy... : )
[02:18] <Jester45> mplayer vlc xmms mpd+mpc amork
[02:18] <__Serge__> nice..
[02:19] <__Serge__> what about emulators?
[02:19] <__Serge__> i love emulators
[02:19] <__Serge__> for example
[02:19] <Jester45> there are literaly 100's of media players in the repo
[02:19] <__Serge__> can u play snes games in ubuntu?
[02:19] <Jester45> yea
[02:19] <__Serge__> really??
[02:19] <Jester45> let me get you the name
[02:19] <__Serge__> please...
[02:20] <Jester45> as you would want to do if you install "apt-cache search snes"
[02:20] <__Serge__> ok.
[02:20] <Jester45> zsnes xmess gsness9x
[02:20] <__Serge__> nice... thanx a lot...
[02:20] <__Serge__> i'll install x/k/ububtu as soon as possible...
[02:21] <Jester45> :)
[02:21] <__Serge__> is the best option... definetively...
[02:21] <Jester45> better watch out billy im out to get ya
[02:21] <__Serge__> lol... u got me...
[02:22] <Jester45> and you have a lot more control over your system
[02:22] <__Serge__> little by little the penguin is winning terrain... : )
[02:22] <Jester45> if you dont like it remove it
[02:22] <__Serge__> very nice, very simple...
[02:22] <__Serge__> not like billy's windows... with a lot of unnecesary applications running hidden...
[02:23] <Jester45> yep
[02:23] <Jester45> and you even get control over the boot splash :)
[02:23] <__Serge__> well, thanx a lot for all the info... : )
[02:23] <__Serge__> nice
[02:23] <Jester45> and memory useage
[02:23] <__Serge__> oh, one more thing..
[02:24] <Jester45> like me allmost of my ram is used before swap get toched
[02:24] <__Serge__> you know, once i saw "transparent windows" on ubuntu...
[02:24] <Jester45> yea...
[02:24] <__Serge__> which one of the ubuntus flavors have that?
[02:24] <__Serge__> i love that windows..
[02:24] <Jester45> all of them can get it
[02:24] <__Serge__> and how?
[02:25] <Jester45> ubuntu as the best support but thats only because thats the most used one
[02:25] <Jester45> there is 2 ways to get good support
[02:25] <Jester45> use beryl or use compiz
[02:25] <cellofellow> Xubuntu's default transparency is only transparency. You get more effects with Compiz.
[02:25] <Jester45> look on some video sites for ubuntu+beryl
[02:25] <__Serge__> all right..
[02:26] <Jester45> and its slower than compiz's
[02:26] <__Serge__> then xubuntu is the one with that effect of transparency...?
[02:26] <Jester45> ubuntu has it also
[02:26] <Jester45> and kubuntu probly does
[02:26] <__Serge__> really? where?
[02:26] <__Serge__> i tried the live version of ubuntu 7.04
[02:27] <__Serge__> and i didn't find it..
[02:27] <Jester45> ubuntu also has some compiz features like the desktop cube and wiggly windows
[02:27] <Jester45> umm
[02:27] <Jester45> system -> effects i think
[02:27] <cellofellow> Ubuntu has Metacity, which I believe can make transparency. Xubuntu's XFWM4 and Kubuntu's KWin can I know.
[02:27] <__Serge__> okay
[02:27] <BFTD> alt-F2
[02:28] <BFTD> desktop-effects
[02:28] <cellofellow> I got both the later ones working.
[02:28] <cellofellow> latter*
[02:28] <__Serge__> nice... very nice... : )
[02:28] <__Serge__> well, thank u very much for all...
[02:28] <__Serge__> have to go...
[02:28] <__Serge__> see you later..
[02:28] <__Serge__> : )
[02:28] <__Serge__> Byeee...
[02:29] <Jester45> bye
[02:31] <Jester45> that guy had a lot of questions
[02:31] <Jester45> but as long as he likes linux it doesnt really matter
[03:05] <__Serge__> Hello again...
[03:05] <__Serge__> i have another question...
[03:05] <__Serge__> i have ubuntu 7.04... what will happen after 10/08?
[03:06] <__Serge__> i will not receive free updates?
[03:06] <__Serge__> ?
[03:07] <__Serge__> hello?
[03:07] <__Serge__> hellooo?
[03:07] <__Serge__> ...
[03:08] <__Serge__> ???
[03:09] <Jester45> ???
[03:09] <Jester45> ...
[03:10] <__Serge__> hi.. : )
[03:10] <Jester45> hellooo?
[03:10] <__Serge__> if i have ubuntu 7.04... what will happen after 10/08?
[03:10] <Jester45> nothing
[03:10] <NKUMike> Don't we all die?
[03:10] <__Serge__> lol... : P
[03:10] <__Serge__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29
[03:11] <Jester45> it will stay the same as 09/08 unless you do somthing to it
[03:12] <Jester45> it will not be supported. is that what you are asking about
[03:12] <__Serge__> yeah
[03:12] <__Serge__> so...
[03:12] <__Serge__> that means i will not get updates?
[03:13] <__Serge__> ?
[03:13] <__Serge__> another question...
[03:14] <__Serge__> does anyone know a c compiler for x/k/ubuntu?
[03:14] <BFTD> I need to figure out what the IP is on a computer on my network
[03:15] <Pumpernickel> __Serge__: No, it won't get updates. There is an upgrade path to supported versions.
[03:15] <Pumpernickel> As for a c compiler, see gcc.
[03:15] <__Serge__> ok, thanx : )
[03:16] <__Serge__> but, you know
[03:16] <__Serge__> today i tried the live version of ubuntu 7.04 and
[03:17] <__Serge__> i searched a c compiler with "add/remove"
[03:17] <BFTD> ?
[03:17] <__Serge__> and i didn't find anyone...
[03:17] <__Serge__> did i do something wrong?
[03:18] <Jester45> __Serge__, you might not of selected the show all options a better and faster way is apt-cache search c compiler
[03:18] <Jester45> but i told you 3 times eariler it was gcc
[03:18] <__Serge__> yes but
[03:19] <__Serge__> i knew something else
[03:19] <__Serge__> gcc
[03:19] <__Serge__> is already with ubuntu
[03:19] <__Serge__> ...how do i use it?
[03:19] <Jester45> man gcc
[03:20] <__Serge__> man?
[03:21] <Jester45> its a program
[03:21] <__Serge__> aahh... for "manual"...
[03:21] <Jester45> yep your best friend
[03:21] <__Serge__> yes... i'm reading an ubuntu tutorial here... : )
[03:21] <__Serge__> sorry... please don't hate me... i'm just a newbie here... : P
[03:22] <Jester45> its ok
[03:22] <__Serge__> : )
[03:22] <Jester45> normal question we answer
[03:23] <__Serge__> do u know any other c compiler (not so basic like gcc)? maybe like dev-cpp?
[03:24] <Jester45> apt-cache search it
[03:25] <__Serge__> alll right
[03:25] <Pumpernickel> Err, gcc can hardly be described as 'basic'.
[03:26] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, please explain :)
[03:26] <__Serge__> yes yes... u r right...
[03:26] <__Serge__> but i mean
[03:26] <__Serge__> some compiler with an interface... like dev-cpp...
[03:27] <__Serge__> not a command compiler
[03:27] <Pumpernickel> That would be an IDE you're looking for, then.
[03:27] <__Serge__> exactly... that was the word i was looking for... : P
[03:27] <__Serge__> i want an IDE : )
[03:28] <Pumpernickel> You might find Anjuta interesting.
[03:28] <Pumpernickel> If not, there are alternatives.
[03:29] <__Serge__> mmm... anjuta... ok, thx : )
[03:29] <__Serge__> and
[03:29] <__Serge__> do u know notepad++?
[03:29] <Pumpernickel> Nope.
[03:29] <__Serge__> : (
[03:31] <Pumpernickel> Hmm... if you're looking for something similar, you might want to check out Scite.
[03:32] <__Serge__> hey... yes! i remember something called scintilla...
[03:32] <__Serge__> a text editor
[03:32] <__Serge__> with specific language features...
[03:35] <cellofellow> __Serge__: Lots of text editors use Scintilla. Like Dr. Python for Python for example.
[03:36] <__Serge__> i see...
[03:36] <cellofellow> There's a nice one for Winblows called Notepad++.
[03:36] <__Serge__> exactly!!
[03:36] <__Serge__> i love that program...
[03:36] <cellofellow> \
[03:36] <__Serge__> and i'm looking something similar for ubuntu
[03:36] <__Serge__> do u know someone?
[03:40] <__Serge__> ?
[03:43] <Jester45> scite is nice
[03:44] <cellofellow> SciTE is nicer in Linux than Windows. More like Notepad++.
[03:45] <__Serge__> really?
[03:45] <__Serge__> that's cool!
[03:45] <cellofellow> or you could do apt-cache search scintilla and see what comes up.
[03:45] <__Serge__> that's what i'm looking for...
[03:45] <cellofellow> It's configured with text files, which I've found odd.
[03:49] <Jester45> cellofellow, programs configured in text files? how is that odd
[04:00] <cellofellow> Jester45: GRAPHICAL programs configured in text files.
[04:01] <cellofellow> What's that card-interface slot that's bigger than a PCI and found in older computers called?
[04:02] <cellofellow> anyone?
[04:08] <NKUMike> Does one have to set up samba before trying to mount a windows network drive?
[04:13] <Jester45> cellofellow, agp?
[04:14] <Jester45> NKUMike, yes i think so, that way you can comunicate with windows
[04:14] <Pumpernickel> cellofellow: ISA
[04:14] <Pumpernickel> Or just an earlier version of PCI that had larger connectors.
[04:28] <phryde> help
[04:29] <phryde> anyone awake?
[04:29] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[04:29] <phryde> !anyone
[04:29] <phryde> heh
[04:29] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:29] <Pumpernickel> ...and the bot is dead.
[04:29] <phryde> right
[04:29] <phryde> ok
[04:30] <phryde> nvidia drivers... can't figure out why they keep uninstalling themselves when i reboot
[04:30] <phryde> everytime i've got to reboot i've got to reinstall them
[04:30] <phryde> very frustrating situation
[04:31] <Pumpernickel> Did you use the package in the repository, or another installation method?
[04:31] <phryde> i purged all the repo ones and used the one off the site
[04:32] <phryde> i've tried everything
[04:32] <phryde> i think it may have something to do with the filesystem
[04:32] <phryde> like it's not being written
[04:33] <phryde> it's reiserfs
[04:33] <cellofellow> is there a way to query how much memory a video card has?
[04:34] <phryde> yep
[04:34] <Jester45> lspci then google the model
[04:34] <Jester45> :)
[04:34] <phryde> LoL
[04:34] <phryde> yep
[04:44] <cellofellow> figures
[04:44] <Jester45> im sure there is a way with opengl
[04:44] <cellofellow> was trying that, and wanted to know if there was an easy way.
[04:44] <phryde> sounds retarded Pumpernickel ?
[04:44] <phryde> nvclock will tell you if it's nvidia
[04:44] <phryde> i think
[04:44] <phryde> dmesg
[04:44] <Jester45> rovclock for ati :)
[04:44] <phryde> look on the box
[04:44] <Pumpernickel> phryde: Nope, the driver is loaded to a temp fs at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/volatile, assuming you're using the Ubuntu setup.
[04:44] <Pumpernickel> Which you aren't.
[04:44] <phryde> the x error is something like the versions arent matching
[04:44] <Pumpernickel> That would be because there's a mismatch between what's available for the kernel and what's available for xorg.
[04:44] <phryde> right but it installs fine... doesn't error until reboot
[04:44] <Pumpernickel> It really will save you a lot of bother if you use the driver from the repository.
[04:44] <phryde> it does the same thing
[04:44] <phryde> so long as i use nvidia in xorg.conf it does it
[04:44] <Jester45> and it upgrades from the repo
[04:44] <phryde> i'd do that if i could... i only dl'd the one off the site to try and fix it
[04:44] <phryde> maybe blacklist the kernel one?
[04:44] <phryde> it's got to be filesystem... when i edit files it tells me it's readonly
[04:44] <phryde> but it's mounted rw
[04:44] <phryde> should have never put / on reiserfs
[04:44] <Jester45> phryde, my / is reiser
[04:44] <phryde> it doesn't get corrupt?
[04:44] <Jester45> nope
[04:44] <phryde> where other than fstab is the ro/rw attributes applied to a fs?
[04:44] <Jester45> what version do you have
[04:44] <phryde> ?
[04:45] <phryde> dunno
[04:45] <Jester45> do you have reiserfsv3 or v4
[04:45] <phryde> 3
[04:45] <Jester45> hehe
[04:45] <phryde> i think
[04:45] <Jester45> v3 isnt that much faster than other fs
[04:45] <Jester45> at least to me
[04:45] <phryde> yea i don't find it fast at all
[04:47] <phryde> you use anything other than defaults in fstab?
[04:49] <Jester45> notail,errors=remount-ro
[04:51] <phryde> 0  2 ?
[04:52] <Jester45> 0 1
[04:52] <phryde> leave defaults?
[04:53] <phryde> or is that wrong?
[04:53] <Jester45> my options are notail,errors=remount-ro
[04:53] <phryde> ok
[04:54] <phryde> on just /? or all of em?
[04:54] <Jester45> on just /
[04:54] <phryde> ok
[04:54] <phryde> gonna reboot... brb
[05:00] <Jester45> why do people reboot for this stuff?
[05:01] <NKUMike> Would anyone like to hold my hand and walk me through vnc setup?
[05:03] <Jester45> ubotu will
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about will - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <Jester45> !nvc
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <Jester45> !vnc
[05:03] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[05:03] <NKUMike> *hand still empty
[05:05] <NKUMike> wow
[05:17] <phryde> heh
[05:17] <phryde> might have been the problem
[05:17] <phryde> kernel ppanicked
[05:18] <phryde> time to upgrade to 7.04 anyways
[05:18] <phryde> nyuk nyuk nyuk
[05:19] <phryde> looks a lot nicer
[05:44] <Jester45> phryde, whats wrong?
[05:57] <gerro> stevej: for /usr/NX/etc/node.cfg do you have EnableUnencryptedSession="0" set? You were giving details before about using that application so was curious
[06:02] <Jester45> can your grep a column of a pipe?
[06:05] <Jester45> nevermind
[07:10] <gerro> xub xub yo!
[07:10] <gerro> where everybody at?
[07:10] <BFTD> ?
[07:10] <gerro> Jester45: you get that piping working?
[07:10] <BFTD> not sure
[07:10] <Jester45> yea
[07:11] <Jester45> well
[07:11] <gerro> what were you trying to do anyway
[07:11] <Jester45> no but i got a work around
[07:12] <Jester45> i was trying to run somthing each time the clock got to 1 o clock
[07:13] <gerro> ah cron is good for that
[07:13] <Jester45> yea... i cant get it to work
[07:13] <gerro> perhaps you disabled the system service your using?
[07:13] <Jester45> i dont think so, tried on 2 machines
[07:14] <gerro> that 24 hour clock thing might be messing it up
[07:14] <gerro> doubt it though seeing as what time it is now
[07:14] <Jester45> messing what up
[07:15] <Jester45> the script uses date +%k
[07:15] <gerro> your timer
[07:15] <gerro> could you pm me the script?
[07:15] <Jester45> if that = 01 then run wget http://site.com/backups
[07:16] <gerro> that equals 1
[07:16] <gerro> no 0 before it
[07:16] <Jester45> you sure
[07:16] <gerro> yes
[07:16] <Jester45> k
[07:17] <Jester45> now to get automated backups
[07:18] <Jester45> if i wanted the output file name to be a variable shouldnt i use
[07:19] <Jester45>  /backups/'$var'.tar.gz
[07:21] <BFTD> I wrote a python script that made backups for me
[07:22] <gerro> hello?
[07:22] <Jester45> hi
[07:22] <gerro> maybe this /backups/$(var).tar.gz maybe?
[07:22] <gerro> sorry I put the / first and irc client recognized it as command
[07:22] <Jester45> me to
[07:22] <BFTD> wow
[07:22] <BFTD> I updated my kernel
[07:22] <BFTD> and I get a kernel panic
[07:22] <Jester45> on the  /backups/'$var'.tar.gz
[07:23] <gerro> yeah what difference between ' " ) I have no clue
[07:23] <gerro> all I know is they grope commands with money
[07:23] <Jester45> whats ubuntu's kernel at
[07:24] <Jester45> 2.6.16?
[07:24] <gerro> no!
[07:24] <gerro> 2.6.20-16
[07:24] <gerro> 16 has lot of bugs
[07:25] <Jester45> yea thats what i ment
[07:25] <BFTD> 2.6.21.3
[07:25] <gerro> what custom kerenl you use bftd?
[07:25] <gerro> what does bftd stand for anyway? big fried turkey dinner?
[07:26] <BFTD> gerro its not, it was updated
[07:26] <Jester45> BFTD, i didnt think you used custom kernels
[07:27] <BFTD> I do
[07:27] <BFTD> but it takes to long to compile on this laptop
[07:36] <BFTD> Jester45 what steps do you go through to compile your kernel?
[07:36] <Jester45> y
[07:36] <BFTD> because I forgot how to
[07:36] <Jester45> google... im reading on why to use a live dvd over a live cd
[07:37] <BFTD> ok
[07:38] <Jester45> they should make a livecd defalted onto a livedvd
[07:38] <Jester45> so that its faster
[07:48] <Jester45> looks like it isnt
[07:48] <Jester45> i guess the cd drive is just to slow
[07:48] <BFTD> DVD drives only go up to 16X
[07:48] <BFTD> Cd drives can get up to 64X
[07:51] <Jester45> its 72x now
[08:03] <Jester45> BFTD, and also dvd 1x is 1.32mb/sec cd 1x is ~150kb/s
[08:03] <Jester45> dvd1x == cd 9x
[08:11] <gerro> dvds are too expensive though
[08:11] <gerro> and large
[08:14] <BFTD> hrm
[09:17] <Chikubu> how can i see what (and maybe remove) the dameons that are starting with pc?
[11:44] <pinoy1> hello... where could i find in a xubuntu notebook file system the icons for openoffice? i'm making panel items but can't find the openoffice icons...
[11:45] <newuser00> noobest question... whats that small circle in the left corner of the title bar of the windows in xubuntu?
[11:46] <pinoy1> newuser00: i'm also curious about that "o"
[11:48] <newuser00> pinoyl: :P
[11:51] <newuser00> oh nos... nobody knows the answer O.O
[11:51] <newuser00> (GAIM crashed)
[12:14] <newuser00> whats the file browser for xubuntu?
[12:17] <tsubasaleguedin> thunar
[12:18] <newuser00> tsubasalaguedin: thank you :)
[12:19] <demarco> where can i download xubuntu
[12:20] <newuser00> is it possible in thunar to see the path to the folder your viewing as text and not as buttons?
[12:20] <gerro> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:20] <gerro> demarco: what operating system you going to use to burn it though?
[12:20] <hyper_ch> demarco: you want live or alternate version?
[12:20] <hyper_ch> demarco: you can also use torrent
[12:21] <demarco> I am using sabayon right now
[12:21] <gerro> demarco: ah good just burn a bootable image then
[12:21] <demarco> its too heavy duty for my machine ...I need something light
[12:22] <tsubasaleguedin> xubuntu is a good choice
[12:22] <hyper_ch> for installation the alternate cd is recommended
[12:22] <demarco> not recourse heavy
[12:22] <gerro> demarco: perhaps fluxbuntu or damnsmall?
[12:22] <tsubasaleguedin> xbuntu + compiz fusion
[12:22] <gerro> I think under 64mb the alternate install won't work either
[12:22] <hyper_ch> tsubasaleguedin: who needs compiz/beryl....
[12:22] <gerro> I don't know if network based install will work either with such low memory I have 60.5mb ram on one comp
[12:23] <tsubasaleguedin> hyper_ch: ring switcher dont have any challenger without compiz
[12:23] <hyper_ch> 64mb ram is even for xubuntu very little
[12:23] <hyper_ch> tsubasaleguedin: installed it once on an ancient notebook with 64mb ram... it was slooooooow
[12:23] <tsubasaleguedin> for sure
[12:23] <hyper_ch> tsubasaleguedin: ring switcher?
[12:23] <gerro> demarco: try a distro with fluxbox or icewm as desktop manager and you should get good results
[12:24] <tsubasaleguedin> yep the multiwindow switcher
[12:24] <hyper_ch> tsubasaleguedin: that is?
[12:24] <tsubasaleguedin> a multi windows switcher
[12:24] <demarco> thanks gerro
[12:24] <hyper_ch> tsubasaleguedin: and that is?
[12:25] <tsubasaleguedin> try beryl and use your mouse at top right
[12:25] <gerro> demarco: how much ram and cpu you got? what processor? ram clockrate?
[12:25] <tsubasaleguedin> or compiz
[12:25] <hyper_ch> tsubasaleguedin: why don't you just say what it is?
[12:25] <tsubasaleguedin> a say you
[12:25] <tsubasaleguedin> I
[12:26] <tsubasaleguedin> you can view all window for switch between it
[12:26] <tsubasaleguedin> a multi window switcher
[12:26] <hyper_ch> tsubasaleguedin: still no clue what it is... but seems nothing I need
[12:26] <gerro> tsubasaleguedin: I wuv u
[12:26] <demarco> does xubuntu do like sabayon beryl
[12:27] <gerro> demarco: xubuntu doesn't have beryl
[12:27] <gerro> demarco: you can set it up with beryl though
[12:27] <demarco> fully functional
[12:27] <gerro> might want to test out that compiz fusion though
[12:27] <tsubasaleguedin> i take a screen
[12:27] <demarco> ok
[12:27] <gerro> yes fully functional
[12:28] <demarco> what ..do apt-get install beryl ?
[12:29] <gerro> hyper_ch: is compiz fusion in the repositories?
[12:29] <tsubasaleguedin> http://www.hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=6hcg5k4g.png
[12:29] <tsubasaleguedin> you can see the windows switcher
[12:29] <gerro> demarco: yeah try apt-get beryl I guess
[12:29] <tsubasaleguedin> is a basical function of compiz/beryl
[12:30] <tsubasaleguedin> but very functional and ergonomic
[12:30] <gerro> demarco: but you really should read up on it like google around "beryl xubuntu"
[12:30] <gerro> demarco: you want a lite system so you can run beryl right?
[12:30] <tsubasaleguedin> beryl doesnt exist anymore
[12:30] <demarco> I will do that ...thanks guys
[12:30] <tsubasaleguedin> gerro: i ran a light system on a core2duo with 1gb
[12:30] <tsubasaleguedin> light system doesnt mean a weak system
[12:31] <gerro> tsubasaleguedin: yes so does the respository have its predecessor yet?
[12:31] <tsubasaleguedin> i see where i have find it
[12:31] <gerro> tsubasaleguedin: he wants a system with less flashy eyecandy so he can insert his own
[12:31] <gerro> its quite common
[12:32] <tsubasaleguedin> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb feisty eyecandy
[12:32] <tsubasaleguedin> deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb feisty eyecandy
[12:32] <tsubasaleguedin> for the repository
[12:32] <gerro> umm ok
[12:32] <tsubasaleguedin> now you need the key
[12:32] <hyper_ch> tsubasaleguedin: it's nothing I need
[12:32] <tsubasaleguedin> http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/dists/feisty/eyecandy/index.html
[12:34] <hyper_ch> tsubasaleguedin: but thx for the screeny
[12:47] <newuser00> is it possible in thunar to view the path to the folder your browsing as text and not as buttons?
[01:00] <newuser00> yes it is ^_^ i just found out how to do it
[02:38] <mrmonday> on the xubuntu site, it says you only need 1.5gb of free hard drive space, does this include swap?
[02:38] <mrmonday> would it run with 2gb of hard drive space?
[04:32] <b00t> hello every1!
[04:32] <b00t> i cant seem to install Xubuntu over my pc!
[04:32] <b00t> could any1 help out plz
[04:32] <stevej> What seems to be the problem?
[04:32] <b00t> i cant seem to boot off the cd
[04:32] <b00t> i downloaded the iso off of the xubuntu site.. i checked its hash numbers (it compared perfectly)
[04:32] <stevej> Can you boot of of any other CDs?
[04:32] <b00t> i tried burning the image using nero! then tried it with infrarecorder
[04:32] <b00t> yes i can
[04:32] <stevej> Do you have access to another machine that you can test the CD in?
[04:32] <b00t> yes
[04:32] <b00t> same thing
[04:32] <b00t> i even thought my cd rw is faulty! i moved the ISO to my laptop and tried burning again.. same thing!
[04:32] <b00t> i thought the iso pack is faulty! so i downloaded from another mirror.. same issue
[04:32] <stevej> I've seen issues with some CD readers not being able to boot from some types of burned CDs, usually I have trouble with the blanks that have a light green color.
[04:32] <b00t> hmm
[04:32] <b00t> i tried a different type
[04:32] <stevej> But if you can write to it, that writer at the least should be able to burn it.
[04:32] <b00t> i first used LG cd
[04:32] <b00t> then i switched to sony
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> b00t, what speed did you burn?
[04:32] <b00t> 8
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> too fast....
[04:32] <b00t> cant burn lower than tht
[04:32] <b00t> thts tthe minimum
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> you cant burn @ 4x?
[04:32] <b00t> no
[04:32] <b00t> the minimum allowed is 8
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> allowed by what?
[04:32] <b00t> by  cd rw
[04:32] <b00t> in nero the minimum is 8
[04:32] <b00t> in infrarecorder i chose 1.. but it burned @ 8x
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> what format type did you choose?
[04:33] <b00t> format?
[04:33] <b00t> oh
[04:33] <b00t> image
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> ....
[04:33] <b00t> wht do u mean with "format"
[04:33] <b00t> am a newbie..
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> put the burned cd in you window's drive....
[04:33] <b00t> i did
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> what is listed on it?
[04:33] <b00t> xubuntu 7.04 i38
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> can you read the files?
[04:33] <b00t> yes of course
[04:33] <b00t> i can explore the cd normaly
[04:33] <b00t> though it wont autostart (as it should if it were a bootable cd)
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> did you have the boot cd thing active when you burned in nero?
[04:33] <b00t> um
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> (its been a LONG time since i burned iso's in windows)
[04:33] <stevej> Autostart and bootable don't have anything to do with each other.
[04:33] <zials> ... how much ram do you have?
[04:33] <b00t> 256
[04:33] <b00t> vidd_laptop i didnt get ur question
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> nero has a setting that says "make cd bootable"
[04:33] <R[a] ndom> vidd_laptop, if it was an iso, you shouldnt have to do anything
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> that MUST be active to have the cd bootable
[04:33] <b00t> exactly
[04:33] <b00t> its an iso i downloaded it from a french mirror from the xubuntu site
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, this is windows he's burning from...not linux
[04:33] <R[a] ndom> yes.
[04:33] <b00t> i even downloaded another one from another mirror just for the chance of being faulty
[04:33] <R[a] ndom> otherwise who would use nero?
[04:33] <R[a] ndom> b00t, check md5 if youre worried about that
[04:34] <b00t> i did
[04:34] <b00t> same sum
[04:34] <stevej> Nero is available for Linux, for some reason or another.
[04:34] <b00t> i checked it 3 times allready
[04:34] <R[a] ndom> other cds do boot tho?
[04:34] <R[a] ndom> its not bios settings?
[04:34] <b00t> yees of course
[04:34] <b00t> everything boots up perfectly
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> and from my experience with nero, if you make image from nero and you DONT select make bootable, you get a perfectly formed, non-bootable disk
[04:34] <b00t> its just the xubuntu cds
[04:35] <b00t> vidd_laptop i thought its a nero problem so i downloaded infrarecorder (as instructed in the xubuntu iso burning procedure) and burned with it
[04:35] <b00t> same issue
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> and you still cant burn at a slower speed then 8x?
[04:36] <R[a] ndom> I dont think I can on my drive
[04:36] <b00t> yup
[04:36] <b00t> the cd rw has minimum of 8 and a max of 52
[04:36] <b00t> and my dvd rw has a minimum of 16
[04:36] <vidd_laptop> the cd drive that is READING it....what speed is it?
[04:37] <mrmonday> !xubuntu
[04:37] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[04:37] <b00t> 8/52
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> same drive?
[04:37] <b00t> nop
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> try it in the same drive that is burning it
[04:38] <mrmonday> what is the minimum harddrive size for xubuntu?
[04:38] <b00t> i did... same thing
[04:38] <mrmonday> it says 1.5gigs is needed to be free on the site
[04:38] <mrmonday> does that include swap?
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> mrmonday, then 1.5 gig
[04:38] <R[a] ndom> I wouldn't want to use a 1.5 gig ubuntu install tho
[04:38] <mrmonday> does it include swap?
[04:38] <R[a] ndom> xubuntu
[04:38] <R[a] ndom> whatever
[04:38] <R[a] ndom> mrmonday, I would lean towards no.
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> mrmonday, yes
[04:39] <R[a] ndom> ok
[04:39] <R[a] ndom> there you go
[04:39] <mrmonday> it's only gonna be in a vm
[04:39] <R[a] ndom> vidd_laptop, how big is your / partition?
[04:39] <mrmonday> so I can do screen shots
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, i had it on a 1 gig part
[04:39] <R[a] ndom> really.
[04:39] <R[a] ndom> wow
[04:39] <R[a] ndom> mine is 6gb and full
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> with 512 swap
[04:40] <b00t> i usually set it / on a 15 gb partition just in case i wanted to download stuff..
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> it was slow as all get-out
[04:40] <b00t> even though 5 gb would b cool
[04:40] <R[a] ndom> VMs only use as much space as they need anyway
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> mrmonday, it is RECOMENDED that u use 5GB or more
[04:40] <b00t> anyway... so wht may b the prob!
[04:40] <R[a] ndom> so you could make the paritions ten gajillion gigs, and it wouldnt make a difference :P
[04:41] <vidd_laptop> b00t, idn
[04:41] <b00t> hmm
[04:41] <R[a] ndom> b00t, I dunno man.  Other bootable cds burnt wiht this burner, and tried on the other drive.. do they work?
[04:41] <b00t> u and me both.. this is so annoying
[04:41] <mrmonday> I have used 3 for ubuntu, so I'll go for that
[04:41] <b00t> R[a] ndom yes perfectly
[04:41] <stevej> You could, but then the flux capacitor would explode.
[04:41] <R[a] ndom> oh.
[04:41] <R[a] ndom> and md5 checks out?
[04:41] <b00t> yes
[04:41] <b00t> thts whts making me crazy
[04:41] <R[a] ndom> alternate install cd?
[04:42] <b00t> how would the md5 checks out if its a prob with it (since other OS cds boots up )
[04:42] <R[a] ndom> which cd, normal or alternate?
[04:42] <R[a] ndom> both?
[04:42] <b00t> normal
[04:42] <b00t> just normal
[04:42] <vidd_laptop> b00t, try to get the alt
[04:42] <R[a] ndom> try the alt
[04:42] <R[a] ndom> I prefer it anyway
[04:42] <b00t> i dunno the difference between these 2 but i know tht i downloaded the "normal" one
[04:42] <R[a] ndom> its just not a live cd
[04:42] <vidd_laptop> or the netboot....
[04:42] <R[a] ndom> b00t, the alternate has no live cd, just text based installation
[04:42] <b00t> um
[04:42] <R[a] ndom> its easy tho
[04:43] <b00t> oh ok
[04:43] <b00t> same size?!
[04:43] <b00t> its gonna take me forever to download here (am on isdn right now)
[04:43] <R[a] ndom> could netboot as vidd_laptop said
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> b00t, then get the mini-iso....
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> http://www.vidd.us/downloads
[04:43] <b00t> vidd_laptop i thought of doing so.. but the mini iso would wipe clean the HDD and i want linux to b dual boot with xp
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> so set it to dual boot
[04:44] <R[a] ndom> the mini doesnt have the partitioning jibberjab?
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> of course it does
[04:44] <b00t> weird
[04:44] <b00t> i tried it b4
[04:44] <b00t> it wiped it clean
[04:44] <b00t> a DSL !
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> b00t, get the ubuntu mini-iso
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> on my downloads page
[04:45] <b00t> ok i will
[04:45] <R[a] ndom> why from your page? you haxoring him? ;)
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> ???/
[04:45] <b00t> anyway
[04:45] <b00t> whts it about!
[04:46] <b00t> i mean i noticed its just 8.8 mb
[04:46] <b00t> !
[04:46] <R[a] ndom> yeah its really small
[04:46] <b00t> thts new news to me!
[04:46] <b00t> i thought the smallest is 50 mb
[04:46] <vidd_laptop> it includes the installer and stuff to get your network running
[04:46] <b00t> oh ok
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> everything else it gets from the internet
[04:47] <b00t> oh thts cool enough
[04:47] <b00t> anyway
[04:47] <b00t> thanks u guys for helping out
[04:47] <b00t> i appreciate it
[04:47] <b00t> gtg now... gf's nagging
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, i send ppl to my site because i know where it is....
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> it took me forever digging thru the archives to find it!
[04:48] <R[a] ndom> the mini iso?
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[04:49] <R[a] ndom> huh I found it on google in 2 secs to see that it really was 8 megs
[04:49] <R[a] ndom> as I was surprised it was that small too
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> thats why they call it mini!
[04:50] <R[a] ndom> hah indeed.
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> i think they have a way to get it to work on floppies and a usb stick...but i never tried it
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> but then again....these usb sticks will soon be able to hold an entire live dvd
[05:04] <hyper_ch> jesus, the swedish police blocks pirate bay
[05:05] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: how many nanoseconds of downtime this time? ;)
[05:06] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: the police says it's child porn on there and puts in on their blacklist which a lot ISPs in Sweden respect
[05:06] <TheSheep> right :)
[05:07] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: can you put also some on the road just outside my apartment ;)
[05:08] <hyper_ch> I wonder how they block it... is there rerouting of the IP or the domain?
[05:09] <hyper_ch> He, who will give up freedom in order to get security will in the end loose both
[05:09] <TheSheep> I wonder how much collateral damage will they accept?
[05:10] <hyper_ch> I dunno
[05:11] <Pumpernickel> It's just a DNS redirect.
[05:12] <Pumpernickel> The police suggest it, some ISPs apply the filter to their DNS servers.
[05:12] <TheSheep> and people swarm to the ISPs that don't do that ;)
[05:13] <hyper_ch> so if the don't alter the IP you just add more dns servers
[05:15] <hyper_ch> anyone watching/listening LiveEarth concert?
[05:23] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, need some DNS server ip's from the USA?
[05:24] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: I don't trust US-dns servers ^^
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> why not?
[05:28] <hyper_ch> hmmm, Bush, countless agencies, and and and ;)
[05:28] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: want a polish one?
[05:28] <hyper_ch> I'm not in Sweden :) I have good dns servers here :)
[05:29] <hyper_ch> but I'd prefer a polish over a  US one
[05:29] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, no offence taken .... i might consider it myself.....
[05:29] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[05:29] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, can ya post 2 for me?
[05:30] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: 150.254.65.21, 150.254.78.2
[05:30] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: hmmm,   83.133.126.175   (my server in Germany)
[05:31] <vidd_laptop> ty
[05:32] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: it has a dns server isntalled but I don't know if you can use it just like that (never tried)
[05:32] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: do you have a ded. IP?
[05:32] <vidd_laptop> ded?
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> for my web site?
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> like static ?
[05:33] <hyper_ch> no, at home
[05:33] <hyper_ch> yes, dedicated ip
[05:33] <hyper_ch> static ip
[05:33] <hyper_ch> from your isp
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> no....my home is on a dhcp channel
[05:34] <vidd_laptop> they want 25$US a month for a static IP
[05:34] <hyper_ch> oh well, could have given you otherwise proxy access ;)
[05:34] <hyper_ch> that's less than a decent inet connection costs here ;)
[05:34] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, my server has a static IP
[05:35] <hyper_ch> :)
[05:36] <hyper_ch> your server?
[05:37] <addyk> /leave
[05:37] <addyk> /leave #xubuntu
[05:37] <addyk> ??
[05:37] <addyk> What's happening? I can't see the user list...
[05:37] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, my server....vidd.us
[05:38] <hyper_ch> yeah, forgot :)
[05:39] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, that is 25$US JUST for the static ip....plus the cost of the connection
[05:39] <hyper_ch> for $ 50 you get a 10mbit/1mbit connection here
[05:39] <hyper_ch> dunno if the offer static ips additionally
[05:40] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, is that guaranteed bandwith? or max throughput?
[05:41] <hyper_ch> max throughput
[05:41] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: but normally it's gets about to that range
[05:43] <addyk> @botsnack
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> hrm....tab auto-complete does not seem to work when you sudo su....
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> !botsnack | addyk
[05:44] <ubotu> addyk: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:44] <addyk> Hmm, doesn't work :) Asima would have responded :)
[05:44] <addyk> :))
[05:44] <addyk> lol :)
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> wrong symbol
[05:44] <addyk> thanks vidd_laptop
[05:44] <addyk> Yeah...
[05:44] <addyk> in another channel it would have been with a @ :) anyway :D hello xubuntu :)
[05:49] <hyper_ch> hello addyk
[05:49] <hyper_ch> addyk: all *buntu* channels us ! to issue commands to the bot
[05:50] <addyk> Oh...
[05:50] <addyk> Hmm...
[05:50] <addyk> lemme check something :)
[05:51] <TheSheep> addyk: you can also just /msg the bot
[05:51] <addyk> (06:51:02 PM) addyk: @botsnack
[05:51] <addyk> (06:51:04 PM) Asima: Thank You for the Chocolate addyk! I love you. :)
[05:51] <TheSheep> (which is preferred anyways)
[05:51] <addyk> That's on fluxbuntu :)
[05:51] <addyk> I know... sorry...
[05:52] <TheSheep> addyk: don't apologise
[05:52] <TheSheep> addyk: you didn't do anything wrong... yet ;)
[05:52] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: if everybody had only pmed the bot I wouldn't know today that there is one :)
[05:53] <addyk> lol :)
[05:53] <addyk> Thanks guys :)
[05:53] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: well, the idea is to use public commands when it's meant for... well, the public
[05:53] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how does one know the difference? ;)
[05:54] <hyper_ch> addyk: yw
[05:54] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: use the forc^H^H^H^Hcommon sense
[05:55] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: common sense differs between each individual ;)
[05:55] <Pumpernickel> If you're invoking the bot so someone else can see the factoid, public is good.
[05:55] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: if it did it wouldn't be common, would it?
[05:55] <Pumpernickel> Otherwise, /msg is good.
[05:56] <zials> heh... 12+ hours for me x.x
[05:56] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: hmmm, but /msg uses more typing :)
[05:57] <hyper_ch> hence publicly accessing the bot is more efficient ;)
[05:57] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you can also just join the #ubuntubots
[05:57] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and do it there
[05:57] <Pumpernickel> Efficiency caused Perl.  Beware of excessive efficiency.
[05:58] <hyper_ch> another channel.... omG... I already have 13 channels open
[05:58] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: so you still have space for 7 more to switch between comfortably :)
[05:58] <hyper_ch> no, just for 1 more :(
[05:58] <hyper_ch> 13 channels on 3 servers
[05:59] <hyper_ch> only has a 19" screen
[06:00] <hyper_ch> bonjour tsubasaleguedin
[06:00] <hyper_ch> bonjour tsubasa
[06:18] <craigbass1976> Has anyone else been a victim of the "incredible disappearing Applications" menu?
[06:18] <craigbass1976> I've seen it happen on three different boxes now.  No biggie, as I can just right click on the desktop, but it's weird
[06:18] <vidd_laptop> craigbass1976, yes....
[06:18] <illu45> Hm... never happened to me, no...
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> just re-add it to your panel
[06:19] <craigbass1976> vidd_laptop, what'd you do about it, or did you just leave it?
[06:19] <craigbass1976> Does it keep disappearing?
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> no....
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> but then again, i dont save sessions either
[06:19] <craigbass1976> Just the initial time?  Ok
[06:20] <vidd_laptop> do you save sessions?
[06:20] <craigbass1976> Any of the xubuntu boxes I've set up ended up being headless servers, os it's only an initial issue anyway.  I don't save them that I know of
[06:20] <craigbass1976> so, not os
[06:20] <illu45> I never save sessions
[06:21] <craigbass1976> I don't ever remember seeing an applications menu in xfce anyway before Xubuntu.  DSL and Knoppix never had one that I know of, and when I used to use xfce with Fedora, I don't remember seeing one there either
[06:21] <Pumpernickel> It's not the default Xfce look - it's been rethemed to be similar in appearance to Ubuntu.
[06:22] <vidd_laptop> craigbass1976, if you have headless servers...why you need xfce on them?
[06:22] <craigbass1976> They just ended up being headless; it wasn't my plan initially
[06:22] <vidd_laptop> ah
[06:24] <vidd_laptop> i have 2 in different locations
[06:24] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: what's a headless server?
[06:25] <zials> without the icon I'm guessing
[06:25] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: a server without a head :P
[06:25] <hyper_ch> without icon?
[06:25] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: without a monitor and keyboard
[06:25] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, its a machine that has no keyboard, mouse or monitor...you remote only into it
[06:25] <zials> I was close >.>
[06:25] <hyper_ch> so it's a server ^^
[06:25] <TheSheep> zials: icon?
[06:26] <hyper_ch> a server with ^^
[06:26] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: most of ours have some old ones connected, just in case
[06:26] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, we got a room full of them here @ work
[06:26] <hyper_ch> well, I've seen two server rooms so far
[06:27] <vidd_laptop> (they are all windows machines you have to work on @ leaste twice a week)
[06:27] <hyper_ch> one at the polytechnicum in Zurich wich does, among other things, weather forecast for switzerland and the two rooms at my university
[06:29] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, servers dont NEED to be headless.... and if they have a keyboard and monitor attached (wheather you use them or not) they are not headless
[06:29] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: I've never seen such servers :)
[06:29] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: I mean if you have SSH, what do you need the rest for?
[06:30] <vidd_laptop> so what do these places do if there is an issue that you cant remote in to fix?
[06:30] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: dunno :)
[06:30] <vidd_laptop> for example....we have a mail server that locks up like twice a month
[06:31] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: why does it do that? ;)
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> its a windows box
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> who knows
[06:31] <hyper_ch> hmm, me thinks only windows boxes must not be headless ^^
[06:32] <vidd_laptop> sometimes when you restart it, it does not boot properly
[06:32] <hyper_ch> why restart it? ;)
[06:32] <tsubasa> hello hyper_ch ;)
[06:32] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, im just a tech rep here...not one of the engineers
[06:33] <hyper_ch> tsubasa: wow, that was quick ^^
[06:33] <tsubasa> ^^
[06:33] <tsubasa> i'am playing wow
[06:33] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: sorry for teasing you :)
[06:34] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: do it :)
[06:34] <vidd_laptop> but the primary domain on that server pays extra for front page extension support
[06:35] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, im not the site admin...just a tech rep!
[06:36] <hyper_ch> yuck... front what?
[06:36] <tsubasa> paying more for more shit ?? :)
[06:36] <hyper_ch> ^^
[06:37] <vidd_laptop> tsubasa, they pay extra for 1) the dedicated firewall server to protect it...2) the licenses we had to purchase....3) the engineer's time to maintain the POS
[06:38] <vidd_laptop> oh....and 4) because they are stupid
[06:38] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[06:39] <vidd_laptop> well.....off to lunch
[06:47] <mrmonday> I'm trying to install xubuntu using the alt cd, but it is froxen at 65% installing anthy
[06:47] <mrmonday> *frozen
[06:47] <mrmonday> it is still writing to the harddrive though in little bursts, and has been for at least half an hour
[06:48] <mrmonday> what can I do?
[06:48] <TheSheep> mrmonday: if you don't need japanese language support, you can just kill it
[06:49] <Cem_UNAL>  hi folk
[06:49] <Cem_UNAL> i cant connet my gmail account with gmail notifier can somebody help?
[06:49] <mrmonday> TheSheep, how do I kill it without it stopping the installation?
[06:49] <TheSheep> mrmonday: switch to second console with alt+f2, the use 'ps x' to list the processes and 'kill PID' to kill the process with specified PID
[06:51] <mrmonday> it just gives ~ #
[06:51] <mrmonday> with a frozen underscore
[06:51] <TheSheep> type 'ps x' and press enter
[06:51] <mrmonday> do I need to type anthy or something?
[06:51] <mrmonday> I did
[06:51] <TheSheep> ps ax
[06:52] <mrmonday> that worked
[06:52] <mrmonday> it scrolled to fast though
[06:52] <mrmonday> and I can't see what I need to look out for
[06:53] <TheSheep> ok, try: ps ax | grep ant
[06:53] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how can I, in a shell script, exectue a remote shell script on the remote computer?
[06:53] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: ssh -x
[06:54] <hyper_ch> thx :)
[06:54] <mrmonday> it gives 4 results
[06:54] <mrmonday> which one do I kill?
[06:54] <mrmonday> 2 start with /bin/sh
[06:54] <TheSheep> the one that looks like generating dictionary for anthy :/
[06:54] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how much does it cost to hire you as a professional developper?
[06:55] <mrmonday> /etc/anthy/dict.args
[06:55] <mrmonday> that one?
[06:55] <TheSheep> mrmonday: yes, there is a number next to it in the left column
[06:55] <TheSheep> mrmonday: type: kill that-number-here
[06:56] <mrmonday> there are 2 numbers
[06:56] <TheSheep> mrmonday: use the leftmost one
[06:56] <mrmonday> no. ROOT no. S /path
[06:56] <mrmonday> the first one
[06:56] <mrmonday> ok
[06:57] <mrmonday> how do I go back to the install?
[06:57] <TheSheep> alt+f1
[06:57] <mrmonday> ok
[06:58] <mrmonday> yay!
[06:58] <mrmonday> worked
[06:59] <TheSheep> glad to hear
[06:59] <mrmonday> it's going much faster now :)
[06:59] <mrmonday> thanks TheSheep
[07:52] <DreamDring> hi
[07:52] <DreamDring> i'm looking to configure shortcut to switch between my virtual desktop but i don't find how to do it. Could someone help me please ?
[07:53] <DreamDring> i find it. sorry :s
[08:00] <Cem_UNAL> http://imaj.at/18991 ???
[08:01] <hyper_ch> Cem_UNAL: ???
[08:01] <Cem_UNAL> :)
[08:01] <Cem_UNAL> can u look teh link
[08:01] <Cem_UNAL> the*
[08:02] <hyper_ch> Cem_UNAL: why?
[08:03] <Cem_UNAL> can somebody help me there is a bug's screenshot here http://imaj.at/18991
[08:18] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, you need your gmail username in the username box
[08:18] <vidd_laptop> and is that turkish?
[08:21] <newuser00> i have tried Thunar in Ubuntu and it is faster than Nautilus, is there a way to change the default file manager?
[08:25] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, did it work?
[08:29] <newuser00> hehe i guess that not something many ppl try to do :P
[08:36] <vidd_laptop> newuser00, you would set it up in the "default applications"
[08:38] <newuser00> vidd_laptop: my OS is not in english, so please confirm.. thats in System>Preferences?
[08:38] <vidd_laptop> not sure in ubuntu....
[08:39] <newuser00> vidd_laptop: ah thats right this is the xubuntu channel, sorry :P
[08:39] <vidd_laptop> but in xubuntu it would be >applications>settings>preferred applications
[08:40] <Cem_UNAL> vidd_laptop: sorry i see ur message now but i write my username and password right but it does not work
[08:40] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, im not sure then..... and i see your launguage is turkish?
[08:41] <newuser00> anyway, all it allows to chose is the default browser, e-mail and console emulator, here in ubuntu. i guess ill have to stop being lazy and install xubuntu if i want this thing to go faster :P
[08:41] <Cem_UNAL> vidd_laptop: yes i am Turk
[08:42] <newuser00> vidd_laptop: thank you though =)
[08:42] <Cem_UNAL> vidd_laptop: how do u do?
[08:42] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, i was on the military base outside of the village of orlu
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, iyim
[08:43] <Cem_UNAL> :)
[08:43] <Cem_UNAL> i mean what is ur job?
[08:44] <vidd_laptop> US Military then
[08:44] <Cem_UNAL> what do u do :)
[08:44] <Cem_UNAL> ok
[08:44] <Cem_UNAL> sorry
[08:44] <vidd_laptop> now i do tech support for a dial-up company
[08:46] <Cem_UNAL> i cant fix the bug
[08:46] <Cem_UNAL> gmail notifier dose not work
[08:50] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, it works for me......
[08:50] <vidd_laptop> are you using mailwatcher?
[08:52] <vidd_laptop> and it works fine
[09:12] <Cem_UNAL> vidd_laptop: xfce-mailwatch-plugin?
[09:13] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, evet..... that is what comes with xubuntu by default.....
[09:13] <vidd_laptop> and it works perfectly with gmail
[09:15] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, do you use gnome or xfce desktop?
[09:19] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, do NOT use gmail notifyer...use xfce-mailwatch-plugin (it is listed as Mail Watcher on the add Item list)
[09:28] <Cem_UNAL> vidd_laptop: tx
[09:29] <vidd_laptop> works?
[09:43] <Cem_UNAL> vidd_laptop: works if i know this i does not install gmail notifier :) xubuntu developers must write like that thing
[09:43] <Cem_UNAL> that is good
[09:45] <Jester45> if ubuntu has it you can install it also
[09:47] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, gmail notifier dont work
[09:48] <Cem_UNAL> vidd_laptop: tx again and good-bye ...
[09:52] <vidd_laptop> Cem_UNAL, gle gle
[09:55] <Cem_UNAL> :D bye :D
[10:09] <vidd_laptop> sicko or pycho?
[10:09] <hyper_ch> mm's sicko :)
[10:09] <hyper_ch> health insurance seems to suck big ass in the US
[10:42] <nzk> Is there a gui newsreader
[10:43] <hyper_ch> a what?
[10:43] <hyper_ch> I guess so... opera has one included I think
[10:43] <nzk> For usenet...
[10:43] <vidd_laptop> nzk, something wrong with thunderbird?
[10:43] <nzk> For usenet...
[10:44] <vidd_laptop> use thunderbird
[10:44] <vidd_laptop> does your ISP support usenet newsgroups?
[10:53] <BFTD> hey whats the #ubuntu channel with the the seminar thing going on
[11:17] <BFTD> ?
[11:18] <kalikiana> BFTD, You're just a zombie *hrhr
[11:18] <kalikiana> But you never realized that.
[11:18] <BFTD> no one has bothered to shoot me in thead yet he
[11:18] <vidd_laptop> kalikiana, took you all this time to think that up?
[11:20] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, you were talking about mm's sicko.....what is that?
[11:20] <hyper_ch> michael moore's docu/critics on the american health "care" system
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, nice (and appropriate) use of quotes
[11:21] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: according from what I see/hear there they are very appropriate... ahve you seen it?
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> no.....give me a link?
[11:22] <hyper_ch> downloaded it from piratebay
[11:23] <hyper_ch> but I guess, you being in the US, it's not really an option for you
[11:24] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: get a spouse over in canada and whenever you have some problems go over there :)
[11:24] <vidd_laptop> plus...there is always the option to run to canada and die waiting for "free" treatment
[11:24] <hyper_ch> die waiting?
[11:24] <hyper_ch> didn't look like it in sicko
[11:24] <BFTD> hrm
[11:25] <BFTD> get private health care then
[11:25] <vidd_laptop> exaactly....
[11:25] <hyper_ch> how much is it?
[11:25] <vidd_laptop> my job has health benifits
[11:26] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, hop over to #viddandme and we can talk more in .... 20-30 minutes
[11:31] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: why going offtopic if no one here is asking for help?
[11:38] <BFTD> how does one play m4a video files?
[11:39] <BFTD> m4v
[11:41] <pjk0334> i am having problems installing xubuntu...ubuntu installed fine, but xubuntu fails to format the main partition into ext3
[11:41] <BFTD> hrm
[11:41] <hyper_ch> BFTD: what format is that?
[11:41] <Pumpernickel> BFTD: VLC works quite well.
[11:42] <BFTD> pjk0334 try formatting it into resierFS then
[11:42] <BFTD> .m4v
[11:42] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[11:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[11:42] <hyper_ch> BFTD: never seen that before
[11:42] <hyper_ch> pjk0334: did you try with the alternate install cd?
[11:42] <BFTD> hyper_ch its an iTunes video format
[11:42] <pjk0334> i have not tried the alternate yet
[11:42] <hyper_ch> yiiiiieeeekkks
[11:42] <hyper_ch> iTunes... bad, bad word :)
[11:43] <hyper_ch> pjk0334: you may want to try that
[11:43] <hyper_ch> pjk0334: thunar shouldn't be interfering there
[11:43] <Pumpernickel> It's a video container format.  It can hold just about any actual video format.
[11:43] <kalikiana_> m4v is actually mpeg4 video ;)
[11:43] <pjk0334> here is the story of my plight:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=491970
[11:44] <kalikiana_> And h243 packed into mpeg4 is not at all bad.
[11:45] <pjk0334> the alternate is text based installer, right?
[11:45] <Howdy125> yes
[11:45] <pjk0334> is it easy to follow?
[11:45] <Howdy125> yup
[11:46] <pjk0334> ok, perhaps i will try it...this is an older system and I really think that xubuntu will run nicely on it
[11:46] <hyper_ch> pjk0334: well, it requires you to read... but besides that there are no difficulties :)
[11:46] <BFTD> VLC isn't playing it
[11:46] <pjk0334> ubuntu runs OK, but not great
[11:46] <pjk0334> so what would be the cause of a problem like this?  i have tried different HD's even
[11:47] <Howdy125> P III here with 128 megs of ram and xubuntu is working well for me.
[11:48] <pjk0334> i just cannot understand why ubuntu installs just fine, but not xubuntu
[11:48] <kalikiana_> pjk0334, In this case it appears to be a problem with Thunar. But ubuntu doesn't have Thunar.
[11:49] <pjk0334> thunar?
[11:49] <BFTD> am I missing like some kind of codec or something?
[11:49] <kalikiana_> pjk0334, Thunar is XFCE's file manager.
[11:50] <kalikiana_> pjk0334, Ubuntu uses Nautilus (Gnome) instead.
[11:50] <pjk0334> don't  they both use gparted as the partioner though?
[11:51] <Pumpernickel> Parted, usually, through various front-ends.
[11:52] <Pumpernickel> The problem with the LiveCD installer is that Thunar, in its default configuration, tries to automount all partitions, including the ones you're trying to create.
[11:52] <pjk0334> ahhh
[11:53] <pjk0334> is that why windows would pop up showing the contents of the drive while i was in the middle of partioning?
[11:54] <Howdy125> This the 64 meg computer pjk0334
[11:55] <Howdy125> nm .. I just reread your post..
[11:55] <Howdy125> 64 meg video ;-)
[11:59] <pjk0334> yeah, 64 mb video
[11:59] <pjk0334> 384 ram
[11:59] <pjk0334> p3 800
[12:00] <pjk0334> so the alternate cd installer does not use Thunar i take it?
[12:01] <Pumpernickel> Exactly.
[12:03] <Howdy125> Alternate is the only way to go IMO
[12:05] <pjk0334> so why does xubuntu even have a live install option?
[12:07] <Howdy125> Some people may wish to try it out before installing would be my guess.
[12:09] <pjk0334> sure, the live cd....but if the installer doesnt work well with the file manager, why have that option?
[12:09] <pjk0334> anyways...i will try the alt cd
[12:09] <pjk0334> thanks for your help
[12:09] <Howdy125> yw .. gl