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doc_ | hi there | 01:25 |
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nixternal | howdy | 01:31 |
mhb | nixternal: did you try to test your 386 packages on a 386? | 02:05 |
nixternal | I haven't had a chance to test run them, they do install though | 02:05 |
mhb | nixternal: I meant on a real 386, the old Intel processor | 02:06 |
nixternal | haha | 02:06 |
mhb | nixternal: our naming policy is just crazy | 02:06 |
nixternal | I didn't even catch that | 02:06 |
nixternal | didn't I say i386? | 02:06 |
nixternal | ya, I should have just said x86 :) | 02:06 |
mhb | yeah, you did... | 02:06 |
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mhb | the first name is derived from a chip which is bound not be working with KDE4 | 02:07 |
nixternal | I don't think I have run linux on anything smaller than a 486dx | 02:07 |
mhb | the other name (amd_64) says it's only for AMD chips, which is so untrue | 02:07 |
mhb | aaanyway, nice work nixternal | 02:08 |
nixternal | thank you...I am working on a major release setup now so I can start doing weekly or biweekly snapshot builds | 02:08 |
nixternal | I need to build soprano so I can put it in universe | 02:09 |
nixternal | same with eigen, and update qca | 02:09 |
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ryanakca | Feisty, in case you're wondering | 02:20 |
mhb | ryanakca: Feisty? what's that? :o) | 02:21 |
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mhb | ryanakca: you know, we devs tend to run the stable+1 until it is released | 02:24 |
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ryanakca | mhb: ScottK told me to wait until the libcurl issue was fixed before upgrading :) | 02:25 |
DaSkreech | ryanakca: ps auk | grep picKpoKet | 02:26 |
ryanakca | DaSkreech: hehe :D | 02:26 |
nixternal | you mean the week-long libcurl issue :) | 02:29 |
ryanakca | nixternal: I suppose :) | 02:29 |
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ScottK | ryanakca: On Friday I think the last thing waiting for rebuild due to libcurl was OOO. | 05:27 |
DaSkreech | So | 06:16 |
DaSkreech | Just how unsupported will the KDe4 CD be? | 06:16 |
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marseillai | hi | 10:49 |
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doc_ | hi there | 02:11 |
Hobbsee | hiya | 02:12 |
rbrunhuber | hi | 02:12 |
rbrunhuber | hi Hobbsee, good to see you. I need your assistance. I really, really badly messed up my gutsy installation. | 02:13 |
Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: oh dear. what'd you do? | 02:13 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: Don't know how i managed it but every package manage tool except apt-get is gone. | 02:15 |
Hobbsee | oh, you upgraded apt? | 02:15 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: They all have dependency problems: libapt-inst-libc6.5-6-1.1 but it is not installable | 02:15 |
Hobbsee | yeah. apt is screwed | 02:16 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: So i have just to wait and do apt-get updates + dist-upgrades? | 02:17 |
Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: what happens if you try to install kubuntu-desktop? | 02:17 |
Hobbsee | actually, that'll probably want to remove apt | 02:18 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: Spits out the following depends: | 02:18 |
rbrunhuber | Depends: language-selector-qt but it is not going to be installed | 02:18 |
rbrunhuber | Depends: software-properties-kde but it is not going to be installed | 02:18 |
Hobbsee | that it? | 02:18 |
Hobbsee | add language-selector-qt software-properties-kde to the list of stuff you're trying to install, then | 02:18 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: language-selector-kde depends on adept. So we are at the beginning again. | 02:20 |
Hobbsee | right | 02:20 |
Hobbsee | okay, so you want to downgrade your version of apt* | 02:20 |
Hobbsee | including libapt | 02:20 |
Hobbsee | this is where we say "please make sure you can do dependancies before running gutsy" - this is why | 02:21 |
Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: your aim at this point, is to install the old version of apt, so that you can install kubuntu-desktop again, and leave the newer versions of apt uninstalled | 02:21 |
Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: this is why you should not hit "yes" to every dist upgrade prompt you get - you have to sanity check first | 02:22 |
Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: you need to find out which version of libapt adept currently depends on, to find out which old version of apt you should install. | 02:22 |
rbrunhuber | normally this is no problem to me. I resolved or avoided a lot of dependencies problems in the years with linux already. But caution is not my guest everyday :-) | 02:23 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: I'm serious about this. I used SuSe for a long time :-) | 02:24 |
Hobbsee | okay, from my non-upgraded system, the version of libapt that works with adept is libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6-4.4 | 02:24 |
Hobbsee | no problem :) | 02:24 |
Hobbsee | guy in #ubuntu+1 is asking the same thing | 02:24 |
Hobbsee | i'm just telling you where you want to aim for, so then you can start figuring :) | 02:24 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: So I'm in #ubuntu+1 one already. So i'll go there so you have to tell the things only one time. | 02:25 |
Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: nah, stay here, it's fine | 02:25 |
Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: okay, it seems that apt* 0.7.2ubuntu3 is the fine version | 02:26 |
Hobbsee | oh the other hand...i could just rebuild adept, to deal with the new apt | 02:27 |
Hobbsee | oh, and aptitude. | 02:29 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: E: Version '0.7.2ubuntu3' for 'apt' was not found | 02:31 |
Hobbsee | not sure if it's in /var/cache/apt/archives | 02:31 |
Hobbsee | if not, you'll want it off launchpad | 02:31 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: Is there a "dump" for old binary packages? | 02:32 |
Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: yeah, launchpad | 02:32 |
Hobbsee | oh, old binaries. should be... | 02:32 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: Np I'm just dl the source package. | 02:32 |
Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/0.7.2ubuntu3 | 02:32 |
Hobbsee | oh. no. it seems not | 02:33 |
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rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: Thats funny i just compiled and installed the older version of apt. But i still have dependency problems from apt | 02:59 |
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Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: darn | 03:00 |
rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: I'll wait till a fixed version is uploaded and I'll try again then. | 03:00 |
Hobbsee | ok | 03:01 |
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rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: If the devs know that apt is messed up what is the (I assume good) reason that nobody just uploads a fixed one? | 03:05 |
Hobbsee | because i'm having trouble with it building. | 03:05 |
Hobbsee | and because the dev responsible probably hasnt noticed the fallout. | 03:06 |
Hobbsee | there's a version with more changes in bzr, but seems to not wish to build | 03:06 |
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seezer | hi. anyone using gutsy with fglrx here? kaffeine(-xine) crashes on any media when using fglrx while vlc and mplayer seem to have no problem. when i switch back to the "vesa" xorg driver, kaffeine works fine. | 03:44 |
Hobbsee | try #kubuntu | 03:45 |
seezer | hmkay. just thought about this beeing a potential bug to report and tried to get some other userreports first. | 03:47 |
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nixternal | hallo | 06:41 |
nixternal | hrmm, Jucato is done or taking a break :( | 06:41 |
Hobbsee | :( | 06:42 |
fdoving | good for him. beeing an irc support machine 20/7 must be exhausting. | 06:43 |
Hobbsee | heh, yeah | 06:46 |
Hobbsee | it scares me hwo many of our people are getting burnt out | 06:46 |
fdoving | FOSS development is addictive. | 06:48 |
fdoving | so is IRC. | 06:48 |
nixternal | ya it is | 06:48 |
Hobbsee | fdoving: indeed. | 06:49 |
Hobbsee | i'm pretty much at the point where i have two choices | 06:49 |
Hobbsee | have been since about...april, maybe. | 06:49 |
nixternal | I hate the fact he felt inadequate, because the sad thing is he is so important here in Kubuntu and KDE | 06:49 |
Hobbsee | yeah :( | 06:49 |
Hobbsee | i say give him a break - i think he'll be back | 06:49 |
nixternal | he knows more than I do with inner workings and what is going on without a doubt | 06:49 |
nixternal | I have been doing Linux for more than 10 years, and what he learned in a matter of months puts me to shame after so many years of trying it | 06:50 |
Hobbsee | heh | 06:50 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: trying to compare yourself to other people never works well | 06:50 |
nixternal | oh ya, he definitely deserves a break, all of that support will burn you out no doubt | 06:50 |
Hobbsee | support. *twitch* | 06:51 |
nixternal | hehe | 06:51 |
nixternal | I know he can't stay gone for long | 06:52 |
fdoving | he just said no IRC, and less time, or something like that, right? | 06:52 |
fdoving | IRC is very timeconsuming. | 06:53 |
nixternal | ya it is, I tend to take a day or 2 off every once in a while so I can get some stuff done | 06:53 |
nixternal | like today, I need to finish 4 units for homework | 06:53 |
fdoving | heh, stay away from frozen bubble :) | 06:53 |
nixternal | frozen bubble didn't do it for me, same game does though :) | 06:54 |
Hobbsee | blob wars is my other favorite... | 06:56 |
Hobbsee | although at the moment, i'm getting harassed too much on irc to enjoy a lot of it | 06:56 |
Hobbsee | so i tend to not actually be here, unless it's european day | 06:56 |
Hobbsee | on a weekday | 06:56 |
nixternal | that harassment crap is still going on? | 06:57 |
Hobbsee | yeah | 06:57 |
fdoving | what harassment? | 06:57 |
Hobbsee | i've had 2 different people in the past two days | 06:57 |
fdoving | (i'm not very much around, i guess). | 06:57 |
Hobbsee | fdoving: i'm a bit of a harassment magnet, i'm afraid. | 06:57 |
nixternal | lovely, I actually had one yesterday out of the blue | 06:57 |
Hobbsee | fdoving: various people from userland, etc | 06:57 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: the latest one was asking "oh, what's ur asl?" etc. | 06:57 |
nixternal | he didn't harass me to say the least, but he annoyed the piss out of me | 06:58 |
Hobbsee | the previous one was on about how he was bored and lonely, and that he'd broken up with his girlfriend, and did i have a boyfriend...when he got no answer to that, he started asking for pics, etc. | 06:58 |
nixternal | those are my favorite....asl was so 1980's | 06:58 |
fdoving | Hobbsee: ok. /ignore is nice. | 06:58 |
Hobbsee | fdoving: yeah, it is. | 06:58 |
nixternal | Hobbsee: send him the hippo pic you sent me that one time :) | 06:58 |
nixternal | I did a "Hobbsee, your a girl? omg pics@#!@!!" | 06:59 |
nixternal | and she sent me a hippo pic ;) | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | hahaha | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | yeah, that was funny | 06:59 |
nixternal | and I made it into a hackergotchi for her :) | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: do you like the new real name? | 06:59 |
nixternal | the new real name? | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | oh i never saw that | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | yes | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | mine | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | to attempt to stop the abuse | 06:59 |
nixternal | what is it? | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | as in, you cant just look up female names in irc and find me | 06:59 |
nixternal | Harold? | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | /whois me and find out | 07:00 |
nixternal | hahahahahaha | 07:00 |
nixternal | Flying Spaghetti Monster | 07:00 |
Hobbsee | :D | 07:00 |
nixternal | I have actually been suprised. I use AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN and all of those wide open to where anyone can message me, yet they don't | 07:01 |
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fdoving | i think there is an irssi or bitchx script with a whitelist. | 07:01 |
nixternal | a few years ago I remember I couldn't do that | 07:01 |
nixternal | bitchx had the blacklist and whitelist stuff I remember | 07:01 |
Hobbsee | i get a few randoms on those...but mostly people who i've spoken to previously, who were just weird | 07:01 |
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nixternal | but I would think if it worked for BitchX it would work with irssi | 07:01 |
fdoving | i belive it was built into bitchx. | 07:02 |
nixternal | every now and then I do those tricks to my boss...I sign up some weird goofy name and message her little kisses :) | 07:02 |
Hobbsee | heh | 07:02 |
fdoving | not sure.. been using irssi for like 5-6 years, don't remember much from the bitchx, ircii and epic days. | 07:02 |
nixternal | she knows who it is every time...she told me "what happens if mr. right does that to me, and I think it is you?" | 07:02 |
nixternal | haha | 07:02 |
Hobbsee | hahahahaha | 07:03 |
nixternal | damn x-wife plays the mind tricks better than I do | 07:03 |
fdoving | nixternal: your reply is: "it IS mr. right" :) | 07:03 |
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nixternal | everytime | 07:03 |
nixternal | no no, I have been divorced since 2001, however my x-wife and I have been getting much much more friendly (not like that either you perverts!) | 07:04 |
Hobbsee | ahhh | 07:04 |
nixternal | after I finish school I am going to be moving out by her and my daughter..so who knows what the future may hold...I want to move to Europe and she does too, so that could be a good thing | 07:04 |
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Hobbsee | ah, cool | 07:04 |
nixternal | ya, if I was married, it wouldn't be long until I got divorced seeing the amount of time I put in here on IRC :) | 07:05 |
nixternal | or the computer in general | 07:05 |
Hobbsee | ScottK: also, andrea's often taken othe rpeople's merges, so they've stolen them back | 07:06 |
Hobbsee | as in, if i've merged package y 5 times, and andrea stole it once, then i still feel it's mine, and so i'll take it back without asking. | 07:07 |
Hobbsee | @ your ML comment | 07:07 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: heh. there are reasons it's good to be single :P | 07:07 |
fdoving | Hobbsee: able to spend 24/7 on computer stuff? :) | 07:08 |
Hobbsee | fdoving: not just that. and i dont, anyway | 07:09 |
nixternal | Hobbsee: oh without a doubt, single == all the computer time I want :) | 07:11 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: well, not really. i still have uni | 07:11 |
nixternal | ya, me too | 07:11 |
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manchicken | nixternal: How goes it? | 07:26 |
Hobbsee | manchicken! | 07:26 |
manchicken | Hobbsee!!! | 07:26 |
manchicken | Hobbsee: You should smack nixternal around a bit. He's holding out on me with the amd64 KDE packages. | 07:27 |
Hobbsee | awww | 07:27 |
Hobbsee | i could try the i386 ones... | 07:27 |
Hobbsee | manchicken: so that means that i can make you test cds...excellent! | 07:27 |
manchicken | I'm on amd64. | 07:28 |
Hobbsee | exactly :) | 07:28 |
hunger | nixternal: I doubt that anyone will object to you updating qttelepathy/qttapioca. AFAIK I am the only user anyway. | 07:29 |
nixternal | hunger: it is all done, as well as the new decibel 0.4.0 :) | 07:29 |
hunger | nixternal: Wow, cool! | 07:30 |
hunger | nixternal: Thanks! | 07:30 |
nixternal | no problem | 07:30 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: icf7 is whinging | 07:30 |
Hobbsee | wanting to know why he's been banned from -motu | 07:30 |
Hobbsee | i think that was the one you put in yesterday | 07:31 |
nixternal | Hobbsee: you can unban him | 07:31 |
nixternal | join/part floods last night | 07:31 |
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ScottK | Hobbsee: Agreed. | 07:46 |
manchicken | ScottK: Disagreed. | 07:47 |
ScottK | Hobbsee: I like the new name. | 07:51 |
Hobbsee | ScottK: :) | 07:51 |
ScottK | BTW, I had not seen your ML message when I wrote mine :-) | 07:51 |
Hobbsee | yeah, i think it got snet around the same tiem | 07:51 |
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Hobbsee | lol | 07:53 |
Hobbsee | not sure how nice or collusive mine was | 07:53 |
Hobbsee | anyway, bedtime. night all! | 07:53 |
ScottK | It's a fine line between giving honest feedback and pushing someone away that has potential. | 07:53 |
ScottK | Good night Hobbsee | 07:53 |
Hobbsee | true that | 07:54 |
ryanakca | nixternal: why not setup a script to automatically update you KDE4 packages like imbrandon had done for amarok a while back? | 07:59 |
ryanakca | it would probably be quite a bit harder... but I think it could be done... *scratches head* | 08:00 |
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ScottK | ryanakca: Are you still working on aoeui? | 08:00 |
ryanakca | ScottK: yes, I'm trying to get a debian maintainer to reupload it | 08:01 |
ryanakca | "[repeat] Can someone please quickly check aoeui? It was rejected because the copyright file said GPLv2 or later, instead of GPLv2 _only_... and I updated the ITP in changelog (typo in the number)... and that's it." | 08:01 |
ryanakca | `dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/a/aoeui/aoeui_1.0~alpha5-1.dsc` | 08:01 |
ScottK | OK. I can tell youright now that the version number needs work (see my revu comment if you haven't). | 08:05 |
ryanakca | ScottK: I intend to upload to debian, and then sync into ubuntu | 08:05 |
ScottK | Sounds good. I think you should say that on REVU. | 08:06 |
ScottK | nixternal: How close are you moving? Are we going to be neighbors too? | 08:07 |
ryanakca | okies, will do. And I guess I should upload the current version too... :) | 08:07 |
ScottK | Do change the version number to a legal on first. | 08:08 |
ScottK | on/one | 08:08 |
ryanakca | ScottK: 1.0~alpha5-1 wont work for Debian? (lintian doesn't complain for me...) | 08:09 |
ScottK | No. Read the policy manual paragraph on my REVU comment. | 08:10 |
ScottK | ryanakca: I'd recommend 1.0-1~alpha5.0 or some such. | 08:11 |
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ryanakca | ScottK: ok, but in that case, wouldn't that make it upstream version 1.0, debian revision 1 alpha 5.0? | 08:13 |
ScottK | Yes which is lower than 1.0-1 so when you upgrade to the final 1.0 the version number will be higher. | 08:14 |
ryanakca | would 1.0+alpha5.0-1 work? | 08:14 |
ryanakca | ah, ok | 08:14 |
ryanakca | hmm.. fixing :) | 08:14 |
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ryanakca | ScottK: reuploaded to mentors and REVU | 08:16 |
ScottK | ryanakca: Leave a comment once it's uploaded on REVU that it's intended for Debian. | 08:17 |
ryanakca | ScottK: ok, is it still permissible to use REVU for debian? or should I completly switch over to mentors? | 08:18 |
ScottK | Using revu is fine. It's just a question of people knowing what you intend to do so they don't bother with comments about verion number/distro. | 08:18 |
ryanakca | ok | 08:19 |
ScottK | It's also important because if you are aiming at Debian, I'll do my test builds in my Sid pbuilder. | 08:19 |
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ScottK | Absolutely. I think that's an excellent plan. | 08:21 |
ScottK | ryanakca: You might also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian and see if you can improve it. | 08:22 |
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gnomefreak | are we waiting for everything to be built on new apt by chance? | 08:23 |
ryanakca | ScottK: *nods* I might add something on filing an ITP with bugreport | 08:26 |
ryanakca | ScottK: umm... little .orig.tar.gz problem from changing the version. debuild created one with debian/, so I deleted it, I obtained the original .tar.gz from REVU, what should I rename it to? aoeui_1.0.orig.tar.gz? | 08:33 |
ScottK | ryanakca: We do want to encourage people to work with Debian, so if you can make it better, go for it. | 08:33 |
ScottK | ryanakca: Good question. | 08:34 |
ScottK | That points out that my advice was wrong. | 08:34 |
ryanakca | hmm... | 08:35 |
ScottK | You need to have a different upstream version name. | 08:35 |
ScottK | name/number | 08:35 |
ryanakca | so, I need to contact upstream? | 08:35 |
ScottK | so when you get the final, you can use a different orig.tar.gz | 08:35 |
ScottK | Hmmm | 08:36 |
ryanakca | aoeui-1.0+alpha5.0.orig.tar.gz would work, if my version was 1.0+alpha5.0-1 | 08:36 |
ScottK | Not necessarily. I'd suggest asking around here. | 08:36 |
ScottK | That would be legal, but have a higher version number than 1.0-1 | 08:36 |
ryanakca | the '+' is accepted according to the policy... | 08:37 |
ryanakca | ScottK: how so? | 08:37 |
ryanakca | cat comes before cattle in the dictionary... | 08:37 |
ScottK | Hmmm | 08:37 |
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ryanakca | ScottK: ii xfig 3.2.5-alpha5-9ubuntu1 Facility for Interactive Generation of figur | 08:51 |
ryanakca | hmm.. 1.0-alpha5-1 , and aoeui-1.0-alpha5.orig.tar.gz :) | 08:51 |
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ScottK | Seems reasonable, but my brain is only partially awake just now. | 09:01 |
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_StefanS_ | evening | 10:22 |
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