[01:25] <doc_> hi there
[01:31] <nixternal> howdy
[02:05] <mhb> nixternal: did you try to test your 386 packages on a 386?
[02:05] <nixternal> I haven't had a chance to test run them, they do install though
[02:06] <mhb> nixternal: I meant on a real 386, the old Intel processor
[02:06] <nixternal> haha
[02:06] <mhb> nixternal: our naming policy is just crazy
[02:06] <nixternal> I didn't even catch that
[02:06] <nixternal> didn't I say i386?
[02:06] <nixternal> ya, I should have just said x86 :)
[02:06] <mhb> yeah, you did...
[02:07] <mhb> the first name is derived from a chip which is bound not be working with KDE4
[02:07] <nixternal> I don't think I have run linux on anything smaller than a 486dx
[02:07] <mhb> the other name (amd_64) says it's only for AMD chips, which is so untrue
[02:08] <mhb> aaanyway, nice work nixternal
[02:08] <nixternal> thank you...I am working on a major release setup now so I can start doing weekly or biweekly snapshot builds
[02:09] <nixternal> I need to build soprano so I can put it in universe
[02:09] <nixternal> same with eigen, and update qca
[02:20] <ryanakca> Feisty, in case you're wondering
[02:21] <mhb> ryanakca: Feisty? what's that? :o)
[02:24] <mhb> ryanakca: you know, we devs tend to run the stable+1 until it is released
[02:25] <ryanakca> mhb: ScottK told me to wait until the libcurl issue was fixed before upgrading :)
[02:26] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: ps auk | grep picKpoKet
[02:26] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: hehe :D
[02:29] <nixternal> you mean the week-long libcurl issue :)
[02:29] <ryanakca> nixternal: I suppose :)
[05:27] <ScottK> ryanakca: On Friday I think the last thing waiting for rebuild due to libcurl was OOO.
[06:16] <DaSkreech> So
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Just how unsupported will the KDe4 CD be?
[10:49] <marseillai> hi
[02:11] <doc_> hi there
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:12] <rbrunhuber> hi
[02:13] <rbrunhuber> hi Hobbsee, good to see you. I need your assistance. I really, really badly messed up my gutsy installation.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: oh dear.  what'd you do?
[02:15] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Don't know how i managed it but every package manage tool except apt-get is gone.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> oh, you upgraded apt?
[02:15] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: They all have dependency problems: libapt-inst-libc6.5-6-1.1 but it is not installable
[02:16] <Hobbsee> yeah.  apt is screwed
[02:17] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: So i have just to wait and do apt-get updates + dist-upgrades?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: what happens if you try to install kubuntu-desktop?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> actually, that'll probably want to remove apt
[02:18] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Spits out the following depends:
[02:18] <rbrunhuber> Depends: language-selector-qt but it is not going to be installed
[02:18] <rbrunhuber>                    Depends: software-properties-kde but it is not going to be installed
[02:18] <Hobbsee> that it?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> add language-selector-qt software-properties-kde to the list of stuff you're trying to install, then
[02:20] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee:  language-selector-kde depends on adept. So we are at the beginning again.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> right
[02:20] <Hobbsee> okay, so you want to downgrade your version of apt*
[02:20] <Hobbsee> including libapt
[02:21] <Hobbsee> this is where we say "please make sure you can do dependancies before running gutsy" - this is why
[02:21] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: your aim at this point, is to install the old version of apt, so that you can install kubuntu-desktop again, and leave the newer versions of apt uninstalled
[02:22] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: this is why you should not hit "yes" to every dist upgrade prompt you get - you have to sanity check first
[02:22] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: you need to find out which version of libapt adept currently depends on, to find out which old version of apt you should install.
[02:23] <rbrunhuber> normally this is no problem to me. I resolved or avoided a lot of dependencies problems in the years with linux already. But caution is not my guest everyday :-)
[02:24] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: I'm serious about this. I used SuSe for a long time :-)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> okay, from my non-upgraded system, the version of libapt that works with adept is libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6-4.4
[02:24] <Hobbsee> no problem :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> guy in #ubuntu+1 is asking the same thing
[02:24] <Hobbsee> i'm just telling you where you want to aim for, so then you can start figuring :)
[02:25] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: So I'm in #ubuntu+1 one already. So i'll go there so you have to tell the things only one time.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: nah, stay here, it's fine
[02:26] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: okay, it seems that apt* 0.7.2ubuntu3 is the fine version
[02:27] <Hobbsee> oh the other hand...i could just rebuild adept, to deal with the new apt
[02:29] <Hobbsee> oh, and aptitude.
[02:31] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: E: Version '0.7.2ubuntu3' for 'apt' was not found
[02:31] <Hobbsee> not sure if it's in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:31] <Hobbsee> if not, you'll want it off launchpad
[02:32] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Is there a "dump" for old binary packages?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: yeah, launchpad
[02:32] <Hobbsee> oh, old binaries.  should be...
[02:32] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Np I'm just dl the source package.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/0.7.2ubuntu3
[02:33] <Hobbsee> oh.  no.  it seems not
[02:59] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Thats funny i just compiled and installed the older version of apt. But i still have dependency problems from apt
[03:00] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: darn
[03:00] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: I'll wait till a fixed version is uploaded and I'll try again then.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ok
[03:05] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: If the devs know that apt is messed up what is the (I assume good) reason that nobody just uploads a fixed one?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> because i'm having trouble with it building.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> and because the dev responsible probably hasnt noticed the fallout.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> there's a version with more changes in bzr, but seems to not wish to build
[03:44] <seezer> hi. anyone using gutsy with fglrx here? kaffeine(-xine) crashes on any media when using fglrx while vlc and mplayer seem to have no problem. when i switch back to the "vesa" xorg driver, kaffeine works fine.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> try #kubuntu
[03:47] <seezer> hmkay. just thought about this beeing a potential bug to report and tried to get some other userreports first.
[06:41] <nixternal> hallo
[06:41] <nixternal> hrmm, Jucato is done or taking a break :(
[06:42] <Hobbsee> :(
[06:43] <fdoving> good for him. beeing an irc support machine 20/7 must be exhausting.
[06:46] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah
[06:46] <Hobbsee> it scares me hwo many of our people are getting burnt out
[06:48] <fdoving> FOSS development is addictive.
[06:48] <fdoving> so is IRC.
[06:48] <nixternal> ya it is
[06:49] <Hobbsee> fdoving: indeed.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> i'm pretty much at the point where i have two choices
[06:49] <Hobbsee> have been since about...april, maybe.
[06:49] <nixternal> I hate the fact he felt inadequate, because the sad thing is he is so important here in Kubuntu and KDE
[06:49] <Hobbsee> yeah :(
[06:49] <Hobbsee> i say give him a break - i think he'll be back
[06:49] <nixternal> he knows more than I do with inner workings and what is going on without a doubt
[06:50] <nixternal> I have been doing Linux for more than 10 years, and what he learned in a matter of months puts me to shame after so many years of trying it
[06:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: trying to compare yourself to other people never works well
[06:50] <nixternal> oh ya, he definitely deserves a break, all of that support will burn you out no doubt
[06:51] <Hobbsee> support.  *twitch*
[06:51] <nixternal> hehe
[06:52] <nixternal> I know he can't stay gone for long
[06:52] <fdoving> he just said no IRC, and less time, or something like that, right?
[06:53] <fdoving> IRC is very timeconsuming.
[06:53] <nixternal> ya it is, I tend to take a day or 2 off every once in a while so I can get some stuff done
[06:53] <nixternal> like today, I need to finish 4 units for homework
[06:53] <fdoving> heh, stay away from frozen bubble :)
[06:54] <nixternal> frozen bubble didn't do it for me, same game does though :)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> blob wars is my other favorite...
[06:56] <Hobbsee> although at the moment, i'm getting harassed too much on irc to enjoy a lot of it
[06:56] <Hobbsee> so i tend to not actually be here, unless it's european day
[06:56] <Hobbsee> on a weekday
[06:57] <nixternal> that harassment crap is still going on?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:57] <fdoving> what harassment?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> i've had 2 different people in the past two days
[06:57] <fdoving> (i'm not very much around, i guess).
[06:57] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i'm a bit of a harassment magnet, i'm afraid.
[06:57] <nixternal> lovely, I actually had one yesterday out of the blue
[06:57] <Hobbsee> fdoving: various people from userland, etc
[06:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal: the latest one was asking "oh, what's ur asl?" etc.
[06:58] <nixternal> he didn't harass me to say the least, but he annoyed the piss out of me
[06:58] <Hobbsee> the previous one was on about how he was bored and lonely, and that he'd broken up with his girlfriend, and did i have a boyfriend...when he got no answer to that, he started asking for pics, etc.
[06:58] <nixternal> those are my favorite....asl was so 1980's
[06:58] <fdoving> Hobbsee: ok. /ignore is nice.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> fdoving: yeah, it is.
[06:58] <nixternal> Hobbsee: send him the hippo pic you sent me that one time :)
[06:59] <nixternal> I did a "Hobbsee, your a girl? omg pics@#!@!!"
[06:59] <nixternal> and she sent me a hippo pic ;)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[06:59] <Hobbsee> yeah, that was funny
[06:59] <nixternal> and I made it into a hackergotchi for her :)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: do you like the new real name?
[06:59] <nixternal> the new real name?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> oh i never saw that
[06:59] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:59] <Hobbsee> mine
[06:59] <Hobbsee> to attempt to stop the abuse
[06:59] <nixternal> what is it?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> as in, you cant just look up female names in irc and find me
[06:59] <nixternal> Harold?
[07:00] <Hobbsee>  /whois me and find out
[07:00] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[07:00] <nixternal> Flying Spaghetti Monster
[07:00] <Hobbsee> :D
[07:01] <nixternal> I have actually been suprised. I use AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN and all of those wide open to where anyone can message me, yet they don't
[07:01] <fdoving> i think there is an irssi or bitchx script with a whitelist.
[07:01] <nixternal> a few years ago I remember I couldn't do that
[07:01] <nixternal> bitchx had the blacklist and whitelist stuff I remember
[07:01] <Hobbsee> i get a few randoms on those...but mostly people who i've spoken to previously, who were just weird
[07:01] <nixternal> but I would think if it worked for BitchX it would work with irssi
[07:02] <fdoving> i belive it was built into bitchx.
[07:02] <nixternal> every now and then I do those tricks to my boss...I sign up some weird goofy name and message her little kisses :)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:02] <fdoving> not sure.. been using irssi for like 5-6 years, don't remember much from the bitchx, ircii and epic days.
[07:02] <nixternal> she knows who it is every time...she told me "what happens if mr. right does that to me, and I think it is you?"
[07:02] <nixternal> haha
[07:03] <Hobbsee> hahahahaha
[07:03] <nixternal> damn x-wife plays the mind tricks better than I do
[07:03] <fdoving> nixternal: your reply is: "it IS mr. right" :)
[07:03] <nixternal> everytime
[07:04] <nixternal> no no, I have been divorced since 2001, however my x-wife and I have been getting much much more friendly (not like that either you perverts!)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:04] <nixternal> after I finish school I am going to be moving out by her and my daughter..so who knows what the future may hold...I want to move to Europe and she does too, so that could be a good thing
[07:04] <Hobbsee> ah, cool
[07:05] <nixternal> ya, if I was married, it wouldn't be long until I got divorced seeing the amount of time I put in here on IRC :)
[07:05] <nixternal> or the computer in general
[07:06] <Hobbsee> ScottK: also, andrea's often taken othe rpeople's merges, so they've stolen them back
[07:07] <Hobbsee> as in, if i've merged package y 5 times, and andrea stole it once, then i still feel it's mine, and so i'll take it back without asking.
[07:07] <Hobbsee> @ your ML comment
[07:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh.  there are reasons it's good to be single :P
[07:08] <fdoving> Hobbsee: able to spend 24/7 on computer stuff? :)
[07:09] <Hobbsee> fdoving: not just that.  and i dont, anyway
[07:11] <nixternal> Hobbsee: oh without a doubt, single == all the computer time I want :)
[07:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, not really.  i still have uni
[07:11] <nixternal> ya, me too
[07:26] <manchicken> nixternal: How goes it?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> manchicken!
[07:26] <manchicken> Hobbsee!!!
[07:27] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You should smack nixternal around a bit.  He's holding out on me with the amd64 KDE packages.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> awww
[07:27] <Hobbsee> i could try the i386 ones...
[07:27] <Hobbsee> manchicken: so that means that i can make you test cds...excellent!
[07:28] <manchicken> I'm on amd64.
[07:28] <Hobbsee> exactly :)
[07:29] <hunger> nixternal: I doubt that anyone will object to you updating qttelepathy/qttapioca. AFAIK I am the only user anyway.
[07:29] <nixternal> hunger: it is all done, as well as the new decibel 0.4.0 :)
[07:30] <hunger> nixternal: Wow, cool!
[07:30] <hunger> nixternal: Thanks!
[07:30] <nixternal> no problem
[07:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: icf7 is whinging
[07:30] <Hobbsee> wanting to know why he's been banned from -motu
[07:31] <Hobbsee> i think that was the one you put in yesterday
[07:31] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you can unban him
[07:31] <nixternal> join/part floods last night
[07:46] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Agreed.
[07:47] <manchicken> ScottK: Disagreed.
[07:51] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I like the new name.
[07:51] <Hobbsee> ScottK: :)
[07:51] <ScottK> BTW, I had not seen your ML message when I wrote mine :-)
[07:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, i think it got snet around the same tiem
[07:53] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:53] <Hobbsee> not sure how nice or collusive mine was
[07:53] <Hobbsee> anyway, bedtime.  night all!
[07:53] <ScottK> It's a fine line between giving honest feedback and pushing someone away that has potential.
[07:53] <ScottK> Good night Hobbsee
[07:54] <Hobbsee> true that
[07:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: why not setup a script to automatically update you KDE4 packages like imbrandon had done for amarok a while back?
[08:00] <ryanakca> it would probably be quite a bit harder... but I think it could be done... *scratches head*
[08:00] <ScottK> ryanakca: Are you still working on aoeui?
[08:01] <ryanakca> ScottK: yes, I'm trying to get a debian maintainer to reupload it
[08:01] <ryanakca> "[repeat]  Can someone please quickly check aoeui? It was rejected because the copyright file said GPLv2 or later, instead of GPLv2 _only_... and I updated the ITP in changelog (typo in the number)... and that's it."
[08:01] <ryanakca> `dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/a/aoeui/aoeui_1.0~alpha5-1.dsc`
[08:05] <ScottK> OK.  I can tell youright now that the version number needs work (see my revu comment if you haven't).
[08:05] <ryanakca> ScottK: I intend to upload to debian, and then sync into ubuntu
[08:06] <ScottK> Sounds good.  I think you should say that on REVU.
[08:07] <ScottK> nixternal: How close are you moving?  Are we going to be neighbors too?
[08:07] <ryanakca> okies, will do. And I guess I should upload the current version too... :)
[08:08] <ScottK> Do change the version number to a legal on first.
[08:08] <ScottK> on/one
[08:09] <ryanakca> ScottK: 1.0~alpha5-1 wont work for Debian? (lintian doesn't complain for me...)
[08:10] <ScottK> No.  Read the policy manual paragraph on my REVU comment.
[08:11] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'd recommend 1.0-1~alpha5.0 or some such.
[08:13] <ryanakca> ScottK: ok, but in that case, wouldn't that make it upstream version 1.0, debian revision 1 alpha 5.0?
[08:14] <ScottK> Yes which is lower than 1.0-1 so when you upgrade to the final 1.0 the version number will be higher.
[08:14] <ryanakca> would 1.0+alpha5.0-1 work?
[08:14] <ryanakca> ah, ok
[08:14] <ryanakca> hmm.. fixing :)
[08:16] <ryanakca> ScottK: reuploaded to mentors and REVU
[08:17] <ScottK> ryanakca: Leave a comment once it's uploaded on REVU that it's intended for Debian.
[08:18] <ryanakca> ScottK: ok, is it still permissible to use REVU for debian? or should I completly switch over to mentors?
[08:18] <ScottK> Using revu is fine.  It's just a question of people knowing what you intend to do so they don't bother with comments about verion number/distro.
[08:19] <ryanakca> ok
[08:19] <ScottK> It's also important because if you are aiming at Debian, I'll do my test builds in my Sid pbuilder.
[08:21] <ScottK> Absolutely.  I think that's an excellent plan.
[08:22] <ScottK> ryanakca: You might also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian and see if you can improve it.
[08:23] <gnomefreak> are we waiting for everything to be built on new apt by chance?
[08:26] <ryanakca> ScottK: *nods* I might add something on filing an ITP with bugreport
[08:33] <ryanakca> ScottK: umm... little .orig.tar.gz problem from changing the version. debuild created one with debian/, so I deleted it, I obtained the original .tar.gz from REVU, what should I rename it to? aoeui_1.0.orig.tar.gz?
[08:33] <ScottK> ryanakca: We do want to encourage people to work with Debian, so if you can make it better, go for it.
[08:34] <ScottK> ryanakca: Good question.
[08:34] <ScottK> That points out that my advice was wrong.
[08:35] <ryanakca> hmm...
[08:35] <ScottK> You need to have a different upstream version name.
[08:35] <ScottK> name/number
[08:35] <ryanakca> so, I need to contact upstream?
[08:35] <ScottK> so when you get the final, you can use a different orig.tar.gz
[08:36] <ScottK> Hmmm
[08:36] <ryanakca> aoeui-1.0+alpha5.0.orig.tar.gz would work, if my version was 1.0+alpha5.0-1
[08:36] <ScottK> Not necessarily.  I'd suggest asking around here.
[08:36] <ScottK> That would be legal, but have a higher version number than 1.0-1
[08:37] <ryanakca> the '+' is accepted according to the policy...
[08:37] <ryanakca> ScottK: how so?
[08:37] <ryanakca> cat comes before cattle in the dictionary...
[08:37] <ScottK> Hmmm
[08:51] <ryanakca> ScottK: ii  xfig                                       3.2.5-alpha5-9ubuntu1                      Facility for Interactive Generation of figur
[08:51] <ryanakca> hmm.. 1.0-alpha5-1   , and aoeui-1.0-alpha5.orig.tar.gz :)
[09:01] <ScottK> Seems reasonable, but my brain is only partially awake just now.
[10:22] <_StefanS_> evening