[12:30] <Dana1> hmm, bcm43xx-fwcutter doesn't explain where to PUT the firmware files.
[12:30] <Dana1> If you simply run bcm43xx-fwcutter on something, you end up with a bunch of random files in the current directory.
[12:31] <Dana1> But I do like that the driver periodically checks for firmware -- so if the driver is already loaded without firmware, and the firmware files suddenly appear, the network card will start working without reloading the module.
[01:05] <tretle> very active today :D
[01:06] <Kryten107> indeed
[01:07] <tretle> suppose its the weekend
[01:07] <Kryten107> true *shrugs*
[01:07] <tretle> im begining to think my problem with gimmie crashing on startup has nothing to do with libcurl :(
[01:09] <Kryten107> ouch.
[01:11] <tretle> problem is it worked with gutsy on my other machine a couple of days ago, when i installed it on this machine though yesterday i have yet to get it working
[01:11] <tretle> so i assumed it was libcurl
[01:11] <tretle> but i cant find a list of dependancies for gimmie
[01:12] <Kryten107> my Gutsy laptop has decided to hold back 200 or so packages. I haven't bothered to try and sort that one out yet
[01:12] <tretle> so i think it may have been wrong for me to assume, when i am not positive libcurl is a dependency
[01:13] <Kryten107> true
[01:25] <Dannilion> can someone remind me how to set the dns from the command line please?
[01:28] <tretle> why don't you use the gui?
[03:23] <lightrush> !upgrade
[03:23] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:24] <lightrush> oswen da te probwame s  2
[03:45] <ptn107> whats the gusty mp3 package name for amarok (amd64)?
[04:12] <bronson> I'm trying to install Gutsy Tribe 2 over the network...  Repos look pretty darned broken today.
[04:12] <bronson> Is there any way for me to host the Tribe2 CD via HTTP?
[04:12] <bronson> My machine doesn't have a CD-ROM drive so I'm PXE booting it to install.
[04:28] <kyo2142> Hello
[04:38] <kyo2142> anyone here?
[04:39] <MugginsM> vaguely
[04:40] <kyo2142> I am trying to install ndiswrapper and it says i am missing the build for 2.6.20-16-386
[04:40] <kyo2142> what can i do about it?
[04:41] <kyo2142> this is the messege i get if it helps
[04:41] <kyo2142> Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-386/build;
[04:41] <kyo2142>   give the path to kernel build directory with
[04:41] <kyo2142>   KBUILD=<path> argument to make
[06:41] <Wikkedfin^> is Desktop Effects gonna be enabled in 7.10?
[06:41] <xtknight> has anyone else had trouble booting gutsy ?  mine just freezes at the startup after gdm.  alt printscreen only works with little success, i cant get any further.  the virtual terminals acknowledge commands but dont respond to them.  why would this be?
[06:42] <xtknight> this is gutsy amd64 tribe2 btw.  im about to try Live i've just wondered if these issues were common
[06:42] <xtknight> s/Live/Daily*
[06:45] <FunnyLookinHat> Wikkedfin^, yes, they will be enabled by default for any system that support them
[06:46] <FunnyLookinHat> At least, that is the goal right now
[06:46] <Wikkedfin^> im having problems now i have an nvidia 7950 512MB gfx card
[06:46] <Wikkedfin^> the minimize button ect.. vanish when i enable them
[06:47] <Wikkedfin^> on 7.04
[06:55] <RoC_MasterMind> Uh-oh...Gutsy Tribe 2 livecd doesn't boot on my laptop....which is a regression...
[06:58] <RoC_MasterMind> Weird...it booted now.
[08:01] <thompa> gutsy working very well on macbook intel, power management is a bit unpredictable though
[08:01] <thompa> battery says 3 hours 30 min
[08:03] <thompa> remote desktop crash
[08:24] <LeeColleton> when I switch users the mouse doesn't work until I switch away and back again (lenovo 3000 v100)
[08:26] <LeeColleton> even then, the click and hold doesn't work on the new users session (sends double click instead)
[10:22] <lazka> hi, i can't watch videos with the open radeon driver. is it broken or is the error on my site?
[10:25] <lazka> no one with an ATI card?
[11:22] <lazka> hi, i can't watch videos with the open radeon driver. is it broken or is the error on my site?
[11:23] <lazka> again...
[11:23] <jussi01> lazka: what sort of movies?
[11:24] <lazka> with all players (VLC, totem) i just get a black picture.
[11:25] <jussi01> lazka: but what kind of files are they?
[11:25] <lazka> it works right with fglrx but not with radeon
[11:25] <lazka> everything
[11:25] <jussi01> ok. then you need fglrx
[11:25] <jussi01> why dont you use fglrx?
[11:26] <lazka> because fglrx is slower than the OS driver :)
[11:26] <jussi01> lazka: ati support is notoriusly bad. Im sorry...
[11:28] <lazka> yeah i know, I'm happy with the OS driver.. I just wanted to know if someone has a similar experience. (Radeon9600XT)
[11:28] <lazka> I think i will try the tribe 2 live cd then
[11:29] <jussi01> lazka: sure
[11:29] <jussi01> but if you have updated then your os will be more up to date than tribe 2
[12:34] <zorglu_> !info ffmpeg
[12:34] <ubotu> ffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 184 kB, installed size 652 kB
[12:34] <gnomefreak> you need to install it zorglu_
[12:35] <gnomefreak> !info ffmpeg gutsy
[12:35] <ubotu> ffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 184 kB, installed size 652 kB
[12:35] <zorglu_> ok thanks
[12:35] <zorglu_> gnomefreak: the ffmpeg from feisty has a bug, which is no more in the ffmpeg from trunk, so i wanted to know if gutsy still had the same ffmpeg bug
[12:36] <zorglu_> one issue is i dunno when this bug has been fixed :) only that it has been beween feisty ffmpeg and ffmpeg trunk of this week
[12:37] <gnomefreak> zorglu_: it has same version so same bug should still be there
[12:38] <zorglu_> hmm i miss something
[12:38] <zorglu_> Version 3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu4 (feisty)
[12:38] <zorglu_> Version 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4 (gutsy)
[12:39] <zorglu_> there are like 7months between the cvs date...
[12:39] <zorglu_> do i misinterpret the meaning of this date ?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> oh damn i forgot we did that
[12:39] <gnomefreak> sorry
[12:39] <zorglu_> :)
[12:40] <gnomefreak> zorglu_: dont know what bug you mean. notice !info ffmpeg  in every other channel gives feistys version i forgot we set this one to gutsy already
[12:41] <zorglu_>  q. i stream to .flv with vlc svn, flashplugin is able to read the stream. but i got strange behaviour from vlc0.8.6 on this stream, "vlc http://myurl/stream.flv" it fails reporting "first frame is no keyframe".. ok but the strange part is if i do "wget -O /tmp/slota.flv http://myurl/stream.flv; vlc /tmp/slota.flv" THEN vlc0.8.6 read the video without issue (aka skip the first frames which are not keyframe)... any explaination on
[12:41] <zorglu_> thisstrange behaviour ? <- from a #videolan discussion
[12:41] <zorglu_> after investigation, it appeared that mplayer and ffplay on feisty have the exact same weird behaviour
[12:42] <zorglu_> and that vlc/ffplay from trunk no more have it
[12:42] <zorglu_> so it points to ffmpeg bug :)
[12:42] <zorglu_> ok this was just a 'headup'
[12:42] <zorglu_> i got my info, thanks for the help :)
[02:13] <c1|freaky> does anyone know why adept has been removed?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> dependancy problems with apt, i'd expect.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> you should, if you accepted it's removal suggestion
[02:20] <Hobbsee> c1|freaky: ^
[02:23] <c1|freaky> k thx ^^
[04:21] <dissonans> any wine/eac users?
[04:21] <dissonans> eac suddenly won't work under wine for me :\
[05:26] <starz> hey i had a major problem - couple minutes before 5am i see kills to running processes - rc0 etc
[05:26] <starz> thing is i didnt kill it - only one user exists on this system and there is no root pass
[05:26] <starz> installing rootkit hunter stuff but any other ideas?
[05:28] <Toma-> calm down and think about what might have done it?
[05:28] <starz> Toma-: i looked in the logs - no failures and i was on my stable distro install
[05:29] <starz> ;_;
[05:29] <Toma-> tail -f some of the log files
[05:29] <starz> there was no power outage - and i checked the bash history also
[05:29] <starz> Toma-: i just look at the whole thing
[05:29] <Toma-> bash history said anything?
[05:29] <starz> but what does -f do
[05:30] <starz> Toma-: nope nothing interesting ends with about what i would expect it to - and im not finding any malware so far
[05:30] <blueCommand> Is this crash a known bug? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29105/
[05:31] <blueCommand> Happens when I download files or open certain dialogs in FF
[05:31] <blueCommand> Firefox*
[05:31] <starz> heh nice one blueCommand
[05:32] <Toma-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/121277
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121277 in firefox "gusty firefox memory corruption warning" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[05:33] <gnomefreak> Toma-: its known and there isnt much we can do about it. me and the other firefox devel are working on an way around it
[05:33] <starz> ignore the memory corruption warning blueCommand :P
[05:33] <blueCommand> yeah
[05:33] <blueCommand> I do
[05:33] <Toma-> :D
[05:33] <starz> my system does that everytime i run anything ;_;
[05:33] <gnomefreak> ah sorry
[05:33] <Toma-> np
[05:33] <blueCommand> Yes wine too
[05:33] <blueCommand> mine*
[05:34] <blueCommand> But it doesn't crash all that often
[05:34] <blueCommand> Just certain dialogs
[05:34] <blueCommand> Like the "Add bookmark" and "Preferences" but not "Organize bookmarks"
[05:34] <starz> Toma-: this thing says something about root login possible - have you tried running rkhunter on a fresh installed system? i'm curious what it means
[05:34] <gnomefreak> mozilla apps all together will do it even after the rest is fixed unless glibc goes back to hiding it. mozilla doesnt call g_thread ever and never has
[05:34] <starz> as ive not set a pw
[05:34] <gnomefreak> blueCommand: crash is not related
[05:34] <blueCommand> gnomefreak, I know :)
[05:35] <Toma-> starz: interesting
[05:35] <blueCommand> That's why I asked if it was known
[05:35] <Toma-> starz: anything suspicious in /etc/sudoers ?
[05:36] <starz> oh i get it
[05:36] <starz> its just that it was allowed in ssh but ther'es no root pw to chec against
[05:36] <starz> [08:31:52]  Info: Found 'PermitRootLogin yes'. Unsafe for production servers...
[05:36] <starz> [08:31:52]  Tip: Change the option in your configuration file (/etc/ssh/sshd_config).
[05:36] <Toma-> that shouldnt be set
[05:36] <starz> mm
[05:37] <Toma-> i know that for a fact
[05:37] <starz> sure? i install ssh first thing
[05:37] <starz> lets try purging and reinstalling and seeing
[05:37] <Toma-> its always disabled as default
[05:37] <Toma-> if not, thats a bug
[05:37] <blueCommand> # Authentication:
[05:37] <blueCommand> LoginGraceTime 120
[05:37] <blueCommand> PermitRootLogin yes
[05:37] <blueCommand> Says mine
[05:38] <blueCommand> Haven't changed it
[05:38] <Toma-> i see
[05:38] <Toma-> maybe im wrong
[05:45] <pimp31415> yeah Toma- its enabled by default when you install package ssh
[05:45] <pimp31415> but remember the system ships without that package installed - and with no root pass
[05:45] <Hobbsee> everybody PHEAR!!!
[05:46] <pimp31415> also rkhunter no good thus far on gutsy - no md5 checking
[05:46] <pimp31415> owell
[05:49] <pimp31415> eth2: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[4963] )  <<-- whats that?
[05:51] <pimp31415> gah
[05:51] <pimp31415> lets find out
[05:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:51] <Hobbsee> well, okay, more broken than it is already
[05:51] <tretle> any news on libcurl?
[05:51] <pimp31415> The following packages have been kept back:
[05:51] <pimp31415>   apt apt-utils libcurl3-gnutls libcurl4-gnutls
[05:52] <pimp31415> you safe
[05:52] <pimp31415> tretle, /topic
[05:52] <pimp31415> =/
[05:52] <Hobbsee> tretle: topic
[05:52] <tretle> i know
[05:52] <pimp31415> Hobbsee, : it cut u off
[05:52] <pimp31415> XD
[05:52] <Hobbsee> i know
[05:53] <pimp31415> just add libcurl* and apt*
[05:53] <pimp31415> yey
[05:53] <tretle> i was just wondering if theres any news on when the libcurl update will be released?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> tretle: when openoffice is updated.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> you people arent patient, are you?  :P
[05:54] <tretle> :D
[05:54] <pimp31415> yesiam
[05:54] <pimp31415> :D
[05:54] <pimp31415> imsopatientitimpressesevenme!
[05:54] <pimp31415> gah
[05:54] <tretle> it libcurl maintained by the openoffice team?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> no
[05:55] <tretle> i thought libcurl4 was supposed to be backwards compatable
[05:55] <tretle> with 3
[05:55] <Hobbsee> it's not.  that's the problem
[05:55] <tretle> lol
[05:55] <tretle> that makes sense
[05:55] <tretle> who was assigned to the bug?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> no one.  it wasnt needed.
[05:56] <tretle> so who's fixing it?
[05:56] <tretle> everyone?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> the openoffice maintainer, when he next uplaods it
[05:57] <Hobbsee> no need to assign a person to a bug, if that person does all uploads for that package anyway...
[05:57] <tretle> suppose
[05:58] <pimp31415> lokl
[05:58] <pimp31415> lol*
[05:58] <pimp31415> Hobbsee, all i konw is its not doing anything that seems to matter to me ^_^
[05:58] <pimp31415> for which i am appropriately grateful
[05:58] <pimp31415> :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: yes.  patience.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:07] <pimp31415> :)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> now, about that patience...this thing is taking so long to puload...
[06:08] <tretle> puload? :D
[06:09] <tretle> lol
[06:09] <tretle> spill glue on the keyboard? :P
[06:12] <pimp31415> !paste
[06:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> upload
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[06:12] <Hobbsee>   apt_0.7.2ubuntu6.dsc: done.
[06:12] <Hobbsee>   apt_0.7.2ubuntu6.tar.gz:
[06:13] <pimp31415> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29113/   <<--- looking at that what does that make you think happened??
[06:25] <tretle> cough cough
[06:26] <SeveredCross> I like being on the bleeding edge.
[06:26] <tretle> :D
[06:26] <SeveredCross> Though it's doing lots of funky stuff with Moz packages.
[06:26] <SeveredCross> Probably because I used the Gnomefreaks repo to grab newer Thunderbird and Firefox and Liferea.
[06:30] <SeveredCross> Agh, shit!
[06:30] <SeveredCross> So now I have a whole bunch of failed dependencies.
[06:30] <SeveredCross> Oh well, that's what apt-get -f install is for.
[06:41] <TreMobyl> so, emacs22 coming in?
[06:41] <TreMobyl> :)
[06:51] <cps1966> : libstdc++.so.5:
[06:52] <cps1966> ! libstdc++.so.5:
[06:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libstdc++.so.5: - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <SeveredCross> Bah!
[06:57] <SeveredCross> libapt = :(
[06:58] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: just wait...
[06:58] <SeveredCross> Oh, you're working on it?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> and you did use apt-get -f install during a broken period...so it wasnt working very well
[06:59] <Hobbsee> yeah.  have uploaded apt, will upload the rest later on today
[06:59] <Hobbsee> need to wait for apt to propogate around, etc
[06:59] <SeveredCross> Oh, okay.
[06:59] <SeveredCross> I'm not getting the latest apt though..
[07:00] <SeveredCross> Oh, maybe I am.
[07:00] <SeveredCross> 0.7.3
[07:00] <Hobbsee> should be ubuntu6
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it's probbaly still building though.  or hasnt started, if ooo is there.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it can wait ~12 hours or whatever.  it's already been broken fro a couple of days (which someone else did)
[07:01] <SeveredCross> I think OO.o might be there, since I'm having some issues with it too.
[07:02] <Hobbsee> it failed to build on i386, i'm told
[07:04] <SeveredCross> I see an upload of apt about 27 minutes ago, I'm presuming that's you.
[07:04] <Hobbsee> oh neat.  apt just got published
[07:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's me
[07:04] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/0.7.2ubuntu6
[07:04] <Hobbsee> no builds yet
[07:08] <SeveredCross> So once it gets built all the issues with libapt-pkg and stuff missing should be resolved?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:09] <SeveredCross> Excellent.
[07:09] <SeveredCross> Otherwise Gutsy actually works okay for me.
[07:10] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: i mean, i have to wait for apt to build, and teh binaries to publish (er, and probably go to thru NEW too, dammit), before i can upload the rest
[07:10] <SeveredCross> Right.
[07:12] <SeveredCross> Yeah, OO.org is broken too--dependency on libcurl4-gnutls which in turn depends on libcurl3-gnutls but it has to be exactly ubuntu3 and the installable version is ubuntu4.
[07:12] <jussi01> Hobbsee: around?
[07:12] <jussi01> still?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> jussi01: yeah
[07:12] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: meh.  libcurl is just evil.
[07:13] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: that'll be fixed with the rebuild - but there are other changes going in too
[07:13] <jussi01> Hobbsee: looking at your convo here Im assuming its not very safe to boot into gutsy atm?
[07:13] <SeveredCross> Yeah, I figured.
[07:13] <Hobbsee> it's ages until tribe 3, so a bit of breakage isnt making me nervous yet
[07:13] <Hobbsee> jussi01: sure, it's safe.  just dont randomly hit y to every upgrade
[07:13] <SeveredCross> Yeah, ditto. I'm expecting things to not work quite right when I play around.
[07:13] <SeveredCross> Yeah, I picked a bad time to dist-upgrade.

[07:13] <Hobbsee> safer around the tribes and such.  *shrugs*
[07:14] <SeveredCross> Oh well. :-)
[07:14] <SeveredCross> As long as my system is mostly usable, I'll be fine.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:14] <SeveredCross> And mostly usable it is. :)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> just a bit of apt buggery
[07:14] <Hobbsee> by now, i've even buggered my own system, which isnt so cool
[07:14] <SeveredCross> Thunderbird, Firefox, Xchat, Liferea, all the important stuff runs.
[07:18] <pimp31415> SeveredCross, because its useable -[the jump why] 
[07:18] <pimp31415> tho i would recommend it as a second install not main lol
[07:19] <Hobbsee> does feel slightly scary, though
[07:19] <Hobbsee> i found that i didnt have the motivation to do merges, etc, while i was still running gutsy
[07:20] <pimp31415> her? O:
[07:20] <pimp31415> so you mentioned the other day your a core dev or so
[07:20] <pimp31415> what are you responsable for?
[07:21] <pimp31415> [if you dont mind me asking] 
[07:21] <pimp31415> i'm guessing apt has something to do with it?
[07:21] <Hobbsee> this is the first time i've touched apt, actually
[07:21] <pimp31415> o:
[07:21] <pimp31415> congrats?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> to paste from somewhere else...
 if you were wondering, i'm the managerial-side of kubuntu, do a fair bit of MOTU stuff, help out with the release management, as a community member, core dev, occasional bits of liasing with the forums, and liasing with the various parts of the development community, trying to keep in touch with everything. and a fair bit of bug triage. + full time uni + part time job.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:16]  <Hobbsee> all of those bits, in various levels of activity, depending on time
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:32]  <Hobbsee> oh, and i managed to get off the irc council, but still go and do damage control with that.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> erk.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [03:22]  <Hobbsee> to paste from somewhere else...
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [03:22]  <Hobbsee> <Hobbsee> if you were wondering, i'm the managerial-side of kubuntu, do a fair bit of MOTU stuff, help out with the release management, as a community member, core dev, occasional bits of liasing with the forums, and liasing with the various parts of the development community, trying to keep in touch with everything. and a fair bit of bug triage. + full time uni + part time job.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [03:22]  <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:16]  <Hobbsee> all of those bits, in various levels of activity, depending on time
[07:22] <Hobbsee> [03:22]  <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:32]  <Hobbsee> oh, and i managed to get off the irc council, but still go and do damage control with that.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: ^
[07:23] <pimp31415> ah and sorry about that hit the wrong button
[07:23] <pimp31415> wow
[07:23] <Hobbsee> hehe, yeah, it seems a bit like that
[07:23] <pimp31415> well from one anonymous power? user thanx :)
[07:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:24] <Hobbsee> it's fun
[07:24] <pimp31415> hehe
[07:24] <pimp31415> so you code a bit then?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> no - veyr little
[07:25] <Hobbsee> i can patch and whatnot, and write bits of bash, the odd bit of python, the odd bit of c++...
[07:25] <pimp31415> oh and for nvidia the black window thing - taking out triplebuffer + adding force aiglx rendering seemed to fix black window problem in beryl
[07:25] <pimp31415> ah
[07:25] <pimp31415> well thats a good bit more than i can do
[07:25] <Hobbsee> i've never written a c++ thing for ubuntu, though
[07:25] <Hobbsee> not really touched python either
[07:25] <pimp31415> i wish we could get friggan utorrent
[07:25] <pimp31415> they coded it for the mac already
[07:26] <pimp31415> should be able to port that fairly easily already ~_~
[07:26] <Hobbsee> it's mainly bits of bash, knowing the archive, patching, taking patches from otehr places, etc
[07:26] <pimp31415> yes yes i know wine... bah
[07:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:26] <pimp31415> also i noticed that the ntfs-3g drivers use a lot of cpu from here - wonder what that's about
[07:26] <Hobbsee> it's probably on crack.  *shrugs*
[07:27] <pimp31415> lol
[07:27] <Hobbsee> never used it - i value my data a bit more than that.
[07:27] <pimp31415> my poor system is a pos so i'm happy it works fairly smoothly anyway
[07:27] <ompaul> pimp31415, it is the fs that should be abandoned ;-)
[07:27] <ompaul> step into the light and use real fs's :-)
[07:27] <pimp31415> ompaul, while i might agree with you - we should either make a better fat or make a better windows driver for ext3
[07:28] <pimp31415> ompaul, i use ext3/reiser/ntfs depending on the partition
[07:28] <ompaul> reiser ...
[07:28] <pimp31415> i atm am only tri booting
[07:28] <ompaul> I have not used that in years
[07:28] <pimp31415> edgy / xp / gutsy
[07:28] <pimp31415> reiser is great
[07:28] <Hobbsee> why edgy?
[07:28] <ompaul> ext3 for /boot a and xfs after that
[07:28] <pimp31415> take a look at how it speeds up access on dirs with lots of small files
[07:29] <pimp31415> xfs eh
[07:29] <pimp31415> how is that at a sudden shutdown - power los for instance?
[07:29] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: reiser's fun when it dies while booting, when it's connected to a projector, in front of a whole lot of developers
[07:29] <ompaul> pimp31415, not bad
[07:29] <pimp31415> Hobbsee, lol
[07:29] <ompaul> Hobbsee, please not in public :)
[07:29] <awerner32> where can i download the most recent build gutsy
[07:29] <pimp31415> !gutsy
[07:29] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[07:30] <Hobbsee> ompaul: *grin*
[07:30] <Hobbsee> ompaul: wasnt my system.  i didnt do a talk
[07:30] <pimp31415> so ompaul i got some vids for linux+ - talk about mind numbingly boring - learned 3 things:
[07:30] <pimp31415> 1. pwd 2. less is more
[07:30] <pimp31415> ok learned 2 things and forgot one
[07:30] <pimp31415> XD
[07:31] <pimp31415> oh oh the init levels - which dont work the same in debian =/
[07:31] <ompaul> Hobbsee, well I just have a memory of walking back down after the machine did not work withthe projector and fabbione saying you should have rebooted dude
[07:31] <ompaul> and I nearly got sick
[07:31] <pimp31415> ompaul, you were there?
[07:31] <ompaul> pimp31415, yeap
[07:31] <pimp31415> LOL
[07:31] <pimp31415> thats almost as priceless as this vid one sec
[07:32] <Hobbsee> ompaul: heh
[07:32] <pimp31415> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
[07:32] <ompaul> pimp31415, why it never occurred to me was I have a projector in work and I have three laptops and they all work plugging in on the fly
[07:33] <ompaul> pimp31415, then we paid through the nose for the projector
[07:33] <ompaul> it is very forgiving
[07:34] <ompaul> I was not in the day they bought it
[07:34] <ompaul> they would not have been allowed spend that much :)
[07:37] <pimp31415> ompaul, i dont know about rebooting
[07:37] <pimp31415> most of the time redetecting stuff worx
[07:38] <pimp31415> modprobe if you need to and restart x :P
[07:38] <pimp31415> but yeh
[07:38] <pimp31415> and watch that vid - pay specially attn to the last 30 sec
[07:38] <pimp31415> its PRICELESS
[07:39] <ompaul> yeah remember it when it was in the news
[07:39] <ompaul> :)
[07:39] <pimp31415> yeah hehehe
[07:42] <ompaul> most of the time I sit in one of three windows
[07:42] <ompaul> and work away
[07:42] <pimp31415> well - what kinda effort would you put into it?
[07:42] <pimp31415> it would be nice if the mouse scroll worked to change workspaces
[07:42] <ompaul> install it, and work out how it works
[07:42] <pimp31415> and it [on my system]  doesnt seem to deal with the viewports correctly
[07:42] <pimp31415> ah
[07:43] <ompaul> things like that
[07:43] <pimp31415> well if you have a decent vid card i recommend turning on the wave :D
[07:43] <ompaul> well I only have an olde card
[07:43] <pimp31415> say your in xchat on beryl and have typed nothing in the chatlinething
[07:43] <pimp31415> push backspace and the window grows a tad
[07:43] <pimp31415> what kinda card ompaul ?
[07:43] <pimp31415> and have you tried the compiz fusion stuff?
[07:44] <ompaul>  product: RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] 
[07:44] <pimp31415> that should handle it fine if its what i think it is one sec
[07:44] <mrsno> i couldn't go back to no beryl/compizfusion but in all honesty i turn of most of the plugins :)
[07:44] <ompaul> pimp31415, well here is one for ya, I don't even know the different kinds of stuff
[07:44] <mrsno> its nice to be able to control how much or how little of it you want running
[07:45] <pimp31415> ompaul, its really easy to get going - the thing to watch for is your framerate
[07:46] <pimp31415> but i can tell you on the 9200 my roomate insists on beryl
[07:46] <pimp31415> XD
[07:46] <ompaul> okay, so I can upgrade my card and get it all funky
[07:46] <pimp31415> http://lhansen.blogspot.com/2006/10/3d-desktop-beryl-and-xgl-on-ubuntu-edgy.html
[07:47] <ompaul> do it with real topys
[07:47] <ompaul> toys even
[07:47] <pimp31415> i dont like the xgl stuff tho
[07:47] <pimp31415> brb
[07:47] <pimp31415> ok back
[07:47] <ompaul> I should look at these
[07:48] <pimp31415> the way i get it going for roomate is fairly simple actually
[07:48] <pimp31415> install beryl-manager beryl and emerald-themes
[07:48] <pimp31415> then change driver to um
[07:48] <mrsno> ubuntu wiki has more up to date info really
[07:49] <pimp31415> yeah we use ati driver
[07:49] <pimp31415> make sure dri file mode thign is in config
[07:49] <pimp31415> and your basically good to go
[07:49] <pimp31415> might need a couple extra options but thats enough to restart x and go with it
[07:50] <pimp31415> let me post his xorg for u
[07:50] <pimp31415> !paste
[07:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:51] <pimp31415> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29125/
[08:16] <gnomefreak> SeveredCross: you do relize the intent of that repo is to test packages never intended to be upgraded to gutsy using those packages. and firefox-trunk and firefox-granparadiso are both broken something awful upstream i just havent gotten around to pulling them out yet
[08:20] <pimp31415> gnomefreak, how is firefox broken?
[08:20] <pimp31415> besides the darn mozilla-mplayer
[08:21] <pimp31415> uuberstupid
[08:21] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: cairo is causing crashes
[08:21] <pimp31415> works great in epiphany btw
[08:21] <pimp31415> ah
[08:21] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: they changed the way firefox uses it and we are woriking on it :(
[08:21] <DanaG> Has the "long freeze on Asian character sets" bug in Gran Paradiso been fixed yet?
[08:21] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: -trunk and granparadiso not nomral ff
[08:21] <pimp31415> Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_drawable_unref: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed <<--- new errors
[08:21] <pimp31415> gnomefreak, ah
[08:22] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: from?
[08:23] <pimp31415> when switching themes with emerald in beryl
[08:23] <pimp31415> specifically of course the window dressing themes
[08:23] <gnomefreak> oh good
[08:23] <pimp31415> but doesnt seem to effect useability
[08:23] <gnomefreak> DanaG: i havent seen that bug yet
[08:24] <gnomefreak> atleast that i remember
[08:24] <pimp31415> also here's a question - i cant get my menus to go onto the panel - say applications > internet > hover on the actual menu and select add to panel > as a menu/drawer
[08:24] <gnomefreak> this week is gonna be a layed back week (next 2 weeks if im lucky)
[08:24] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: see compiz i think i have seen that bug before
[08:25] <pimp31415> it was working for a minute then it wasnt so ive no idea what it was lol
[08:25] <pimp31415> gnomefreak, same in beryl/compiz/metacity
[08:25] <pimp31415> for the add menu thing
[08:25] <pimp31415> but single apps add just fine lol
[08:26] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: it works fine here without any desktop effects enabled (compiz uses metacity so maybe try disabling compiz)
[08:26] <gnomefreak> see if that helps
[08:27] <DanaG> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357637
[08:27] <pimp31415> yeah no desktop effects but let me try
[08:27] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 357637 in GFX: Thebes "Loading time (Tp) of pages with Chinese text is unbearable" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] 
[08:27] <gnomefreak> DanaG: ill look ty
[08:27] <DanaG> Oh, apparently it's fixed.
[08:27] <DanaG> Now if only I could make Gran Paradiso use Flash,
[08:27] <gnomefreak> if it was recently it will show its face in 2.0.0.5
[08:27] <DanaG> and make it replace firefox, and not be "firefox-trunk"
[08:28] <gnomefreak> or alpha 7
[08:29] <gnomefreak> it will hit in one of the dailies but dont expect to find it in repos for a while.
[08:29] <pimp31415> yeah no go
[08:29] <gnomefreak> upstream screwed up alot for alpha 6
[08:31] <pimp31415> DanaG, flash is working in granparadiso here
[08:50] <Biagi> http://biagi.miniville.fr
[08:55] <awerner32> hey say i can't get the gui installer to run is there a way to kill gdm and start x and run the gui installer without gnome or to install it sans the gui
[08:56] <pimp31415> yeah
[08:56] <pimp31415> install in the safe graphics mode its a common problem awerner32
[08:56] <pimp31415> then it goes right into it
[08:56] <pimp31415> and if that doesnt work im not sure if there is an alternate installer yet
[08:57] <pimp31415> !gutsy
[08:57] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[08:57] <awerner32> ok if i start in safe graphics mode what is the command to start the installer/
[08:57] <pimp31415> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-2/ yeah there's an alternate
[08:57] <pimp31415> awerner32, when i did it it all worked normally
[08:58] <pimp31415> safe graphics mode just booted right into what i expect the livecd to look like normally
[08:58] <awerner32> ok
[08:58] <awerner32> thank you
[08:58] <pimp31415> no problem
[08:58] <pimp31415> one suggestion awerner32
[08:58] <pimp31415> while in livecd assuming it boots - open terminal install xchat or irssi so u can be here at the same time if you have problems
[08:59] <pimp31415> there's a hanging problem on manual partitioning sometimes i just dont remember what fixed it on that one sorry
[08:59] <pimp31415> lol
[09:00] <awerner32> ok will do
[09:00] <pimp31415> ok ^_^
[09:00] <awerner32> brb
[09:00] <pimp31415> cuthen
[09:12] <awerner32_> ok i am booted into safe graphics mode although x failed on the original boot and i had to manually reconfigure it
[09:15] <awerner32_> the installer froze on the partitioner
[09:18] <awerner32_> well i think i am giving up with this and will try it agian in another month or so
[09:23] <pimp31415> mm gkrellm does not have a menu entry in system tools or anywhere else by default - unless your running also the debian menu
[09:24] <pimp31415> lol
[09:24] <pimp31415> i told him it would probably pause there
[09:24] <pimp31415> 6 minutes of patience eh
[09:35] <tretle> glad to see some activity today :D
[09:45] <SeveredCross> Crap, Hobbsee left.
[09:46] <SeveredCross> Anyone here know how the hell I can get apt to install after make-ing it?
[09:46] <SeveredCross> I find the binaries, but it doesn't work...
[09:47] <SeveredCross> Err, I don't know how to install them that is.
[09:56] <mrsno> SeveredCross i have no idea of your prior conversation, but did you create .deb files? if so sudo dpkg -i foo.deb to install them, replacing foo with the package name
[09:56] <SeveredCross> Nope, can't create deb files.
[09:56] <SeveredCross> No way to do make install so checkinstall fails.
[09:56] <SeveredCross> I know how to install with dpkg.
[09:56] <mrsno> okay, not a clue then sorry :-)
[09:56] <SeveredCross> She had uploaded a newer apt that fixed some problems with missing dependencies, but nobody has built it yet--I decided to build it for myself but don't know how to install it now.
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[09:57] <mrsno> how did you build it SeveredCross ? can you explain the process for me
[09:57] <SeveredCross> I downloaded the tarball she had uploaded, did ./configure and make
[09:57] <SeveredCross> The usual way to build things. :)
[09:57] <pimp31415> did you have the things you need to compile it correctly?
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[09:58] <SeveredCross> I did apt-get build-dep apt beforehand.
[09:58] <pimp31415> sure there's not something wieerd?
[09:58] <pimp31415> bah
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Make finished correctly, so it's not that that's the problem.
[09:58] <pimp31415> build-dep means nothing
[09:58] <pimp31415> finishing make correctly means only a little
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Well, make finished without any errors if it makes you feel any better?
[09:58] <pimp31415> lol
[09:58] <SeveredCross> I'll double-check the COMPILING file.
[09:58] <pimp31415> lol
[09:58] <mrsno> ok well reading the maintainers guide should be helpful, the ubuntu version i seen on http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Deb_Guide
[09:58] <pimp31415> let mke know how it goes?
[09:58] <pimp31415> *me
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Things you need to compile apt:
[09:59] <pimp31415> i have those exact problems all the time lol
[09:59] <pimp31415> what i need is a workstation metapackage
[09:59] <pimp31415> which installs like 4 gigs of stuff ppl dont normally need
[09:59] <pimp31415> so i can compile my 3 packages perfectly >_<
[09:59] <SeveredCross> gcc, g++, make, ar, sh, awk, sed, a C library with the usual POSIX functions and a BSD socket layer.
[10:00] <SeveredCross> Make 3.74 or so, gcc > 2.8..
[10:00] <SeveredCross> I have all of those things.
[10:00] <pimp31415> mm
[10:01] <pimp31415> wierd
[10:02] <SeveredCross> Hmm..
[10:14] <SeveredCross> I thinK I'm getting somewhere with it.
[10:14] <SeveredCross> The maintainers guide is helping.
[10:23] <SeveredCross> Fuckshit.
[10:23] <SeveredCross> I got it to build the deb but for some reason it still won't actually provide libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6-4.4
[10:43] <kingrayray> hello friends
[10:43] <kingrayray> who uses xmms2 here :)
[11:25] <tretle> "(21:23:50) SeveredCross: Fuckshit." your Jason Mewes aren't you! :D
[11:25] <kingrayray> I see
[11:27] <tretle> kingrayray I don't use xmms2
[11:27] <kingrayray> me neither. I did like an hour ago
[11:27] <kingrayray> lol
[11:29] <tretle> haven't tried xmms to be honest
[11:29] <tretle> started off with amarok then banshee, then rhythmbox
[11:29] <tretle> i dont like mono
[11:29] <tretle> :)
[11:30] <kingrayray> I don't like GUI's
[11:30] <kingrayray> lol
[11:30] <kingrayray> well not for music at least
[11:31] <tretle> terminal is usually quicker for most things but music needs i would doubt very much :D
[11:31] <tretle> creating ques etc
[11:31] <tretle> no thanks :D
[11:31] <kingrayray> you should really try mpd + ncmpc then lol
[11:31] <kingrayray> I've been using mpd for like, 3 years now
[11:32] <tretle> I need a new keyboard, i spilled glue on this one last year and the key's have been a bit annoying ever since
[11:32] <tretle> llol
[11:32] <tretle> grrr
[11:32] <tretle> :D
[11:34] <tretle> just took a look at some screenshots for gxmms2, it looks freaking horrible :D
[11:34] <kingrayray> http://hem.bredband.net/kaw/ncmpc/screenshots.html
[11:35] <kingrayray> that is my fav app for handing music
[11:36] <tretle> :D
[11:36] <tretle> a keep it simple guy :D
[11:36] <kingrayray> because when you get your playlist set up, you just close it
[11:36] <kingrayray> no need to keep it running
[11:36] <kingrayray> because a daemon is playing the music :)
[11:36] <tretle> nice
[11:37] <kingrayray> I play anarchy online a lot so I use a cli app ;p
[11:37] <kingrayray> so I can ctrl+alt+f2 over and change the music
[11:37] <tretle> brb
[11:40] <sacater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QADays
[11:44] <tretle> back
[11:44] <tretle> "anarchy online" bah humbug
[11:44] <tretle> :D
[11:44] <tretle> what a terrible game
[11:44] <kingrayray> pff
[11:45] <tretle> been playing warsow lately
[11:45] <kingrayray> its like the only mmo I've played that didn't make me wanna quit
[11:45] <tretle> the mmorpg im waiting for is the new elite game
[11:45] <tretle> ll
[11:45] <tretle> lol
[11:46] <tretle> warsow is a great game, been playing that lately, brings a good name to pen source linux native gameing
[11:46] <tretle> though I think there is a huge lack of open source storey based polished games out there
[11:47] <tretle> warsow is nice and polished :D
[11:48] <tretle> to play the latest version it uninstalled the broken libcurl4 package though :/ and open office :D lol
[11:48] <tretle> hint hint
[11:48] <tretle> lol
[11:48] <kingrayray> are you trying to get me to install warsow
[11:48] <tretle> if your using gutsy id advice not at the moment
[11:49] <tretle> until libcurl is fixed
[11:50] <tretle> im very happy with gutsy as a whole right now to be honest
[11:50] <tretle> compiz worked from the get go
[11:50] <tretle> :D
[11:50] <kingrayray> I've never had problems with compiz in the first place
[11:50] <tretle> never did that before on my machine, used to have horrible problems with it
[11:51] <kingrayray> I hate how the appearance configuation takes a week and a half to open
[11:51] <tretle> opens relatively quick for me
[11:51] <tretle> I'm using beryl instead of compiz fusion at the moment though
[11:52] <kingrayray> as am I
[11:52] <tretle> find its more stable
[11:52] <tretle> and compiz fusion doesn't "yet" have the customizing features I want
[11:52] <kingrayray> compiz fusion sounds like a carbonated beverage
[11:53] <kingrayray> it should be
[11:53] <tretle> they should have just called it fusion
[11:54] <tretle> doesn't matter anyway, as long as they have stopped bickering over the name and started doing some work :D
[11:55] <tretle> seriously considering installing the 64bit version of gutsy on my machine
[11:55] <tretle> wondering if id see much of a performance boost
[12:02] <mrsno> tretle i dont see/feel any different here on the desktop with 64bit vs 32
[12:05] <tretle> Hmmmmm... maybe i wasted my money last year getting a dual core 64bit AMD processor :D
[12:06] <mrsno> im sure the dual cores will benefit more than the 64bit instructions :-) unless you aer serving/have >4gig of ram
[12:07] <tretle> well I have 1 gig at the moment, plan to add another 3 gigs soon but need to find a new apartment first :D
[12:08] <tretle> Its going to be my media center pc/ media server once ubuntu media center comes out :D
[12:08] <tretle> then I'll have another system as my desktop
[12:08] <tretle> :P
[12:08] <ponicg> heh Q6600 for your next build, TreMobyl
[12:08] <ponicg> err tretle
[12:08] <ponicg> lol
[12:08] <tretle> Also have to get some new hardrives, i was thinking3 or four terabytes
[12:09] <ponicg> $250 for 4 cores
[12:09] <tretle> Yeah, Im holding off for AMD's new chipset
[12:09] <tretle> this is a socket am2 machine
[12:09] <ponicg> Heh - I'm gonna holdon to my desktop for a bit - Athlon 64 x2 3800+ w/2GB ram on the 939 platform
[12:09] <ponicg> decent for now.
[12:09] <tretle> so i'll need to get a new motherboard for amd's new processor anyway
[12:11] <ponicg> heh but you can't beat 4 cores of gooey goodness for $250
[12:11] <ponicg> :-p
[12:11] <tretle> amd or intel
[12:11] <tretle> intel dont do true multicore
[12:12] <tretle> thats what AMD's new processor is going to be
[12:12] <tretle> true quad core computing
[12:12] <tretle> not just cores bolted together
[12:14] <tretle> ubuntu has come a long way since dapper :D
[12:20] <tretle> planet gnome seems to be f+cked
[12:20] <tretle> i mean it needs a fsck
[12:20] <tretle> :D