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Dana1hmm, bcm43xx-fwcutter doesn't explain where to PUT the firmware files.12:30
Dana1If you simply run bcm43xx-fwcutter on something, you end up with a bunch of random files in the current directory.12:30
Dana1But I do like that the driver periodically checks for firmware -- so if the driver is already loaded without firmware, and the firmware files suddenly appear, the network card will start working without reloading the module.12:31
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tretlevery active today :D01:05
Kryten107indeed01:06
tretlesuppose its the weekend01:07
Kryten107true *shrugs*01:07
tretleim begining to think my problem with gimmie crashing on startup has nothing to do with libcurl :(01:07
Kryten107ouch.01:09
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tretleproblem is it worked with gutsy on my other machine a couple of days ago, when i installed it on this machine though yesterday i have yet to get it working01:11
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tretleso i assumed it was libcurl01:11
tretlebut i cant find a list of dependancies for gimmie01:11
Kryten107my Gutsy laptop has decided to hold back 200 or so packages. I haven't bothered to try and sort that one out yet01:12
tretleso i think it may have been wrong for me to assume, when i am not positive libcurl is a dependency01:12
Kryten107true01:13
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Dannilioncan someone remind me how to set the dns from the command line please?01:25
tretlewhy don't you use the gui?01:28
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lightrush!upgrade03:23
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes03:23
lightrushoswen da te probwame s  203:24
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ptn107whats the gusty mp3 package name for amarok (amd64)?03:45
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bronsonI'm trying to install Gutsy Tribe 2 over the network...  Repos look pretty darned broken today.04:12
bronsonIs there any way for me to host the Tribe2 CD via HTTP?04:12
bronsonMy machine doesn't have a CD-ROM drive so I'm PXE booting it to install.04:12
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kyo2142Hello04:28
kyo2142anyone here?04:38
MugginsMvaguely04:39
kyo2142I am trying to install ndiswrapper and it says i am missing the build for 2.6.20-16-38604:40
kyo2142what can i do about it?04:40
kyo2142this is the messege i get if it helps04:41
kyo2142Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-386/build;04:41
kyo2142  give the path to kernel build directory with04:41
kyo2142  KBUILD=<path> argument to make04:41
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Wikkedfin^is Desktop Effects gonna be enabled in 7.10?06:41
xtknighthas anyone else had trouble booting gutsy ?  mine just freezes at the startup after gdm.  alt printscreen only works with little success, i cant get any further.  the virtual terminals acknowledge commands but dont respond to them.  why would this be?06:41
xtknightthis is gutsy amd64 tribe2 btw.  im about to try Live i've just wondered if these issues were common06:42
xtknights/Live/Daily*06:42
FunnyLookinHatWikkedfin^, yes, they will be enabled by default for any system that support them06:45
FunnyLookinHatAt least, that is the goal right now06:46
Wikkedfin^im having problems now i have an nvidia 7950 512MB gfx card06:46
Wikkedfin^the minimize button ect.. vanish when i enable them06:46
Wikkedfin^on 7.0406:47
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RoC_MasterMindUh-oh...Gutsy Tribe 2 livecd doesn't boot on my laptop....which is a regression...06:55
RoC_MasterMindWeird...it booted now.06:58
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thompagutsy working very well on macbook intel, power management is a bit unpredictable though08:01
thompabattery says 3 hours 30 min08:01
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thomparemote desktop crash08:03
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LeeColletonwhen I switch users the mouse doesn't work until I switch away and back again (lenovo 3000 v100)08:24
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LeeColletoneven then, the click and hold doesn't work on the new users session (sends double click instead)08:26
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lazkahi, i can't watch videos with the open radeon driver. is it broken or is the error on my site?10:22
lazkano one with an ATI card?10:25
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lazkahi, i can't watch videos with the open radeon driver. is it broken or is the error on my site?11:22
lazkaagain...11:23
jussi01lazka: what sort of movies?11:23
lazkawith all players (VLC, totem) i just get a black picture.11:24
jussi01lazka: but what kind of files are they?11:25
lazkait works right with fglrx but not with radeon11:25
lazkaeverything11:25
jussi01ok. then you need fglrx11:25
jussi01why dont you use fglrx?11:25
lazkabecause fglrx is slower than the OS driver :)11:26
jussi01lazka: ati support is notoriusly bad. Im sorry...11:26
lazkayeah i know, I'm happy with the OS driver.. I just wanted to know if someone has a similar experience. (Radeon9600XT)11:28
lazkaI think i will try the tribe 2 live cd then11:28
jussi01lazka: sure11:29
jussi01but if you have updated then your os will be more up to date than tribe 211:29
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zorglu_!info ffmpeg12:34
ubotuffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 184 kB, installed size 652 kB12:34
gnomefreakyou need to install it zorglu_12:34
gnomefreak!info ffmpeg gutsy12:35
ubotuffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 184 kB, installed size 652 kB12:35
zorglu_ok thanks12:35
zorglu_gnomefreak: the ffmpeg from feisty has a bug, which is no more in the ffmpeg from trunk, so i wanted to know if gutsy still had the same ffmpeg bug12:35
zorglu_one issue is i dunno when this bug has been fixed :) only that it has been beween feisty ffmpeg and ffmpeg trunk of this week12:36
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gnomefreakzorglu_: it has same version so same bug should still be there12:37
zorglu_hmm i miss something12:38
zorglu_Version 3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu4 (feisty)12:38
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zorglu_Version 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4 (gutsy)12:38
zorglu_there are like 7months between the cvs date...12:39
zorglu_do i misinterpret the meaning of this date ?12:39
gnomefreakoh damn i forgot we did that12:39
gnomefreaksorry12:39
zorglu_:)12:39
gnomefreakzorglu_: dont know what bug you mean. notice !info ffmpeg  in every other channel gives feistys version i forgot we set this one to gutsy already12:40
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zorglu_ q. i stream to .flv with vlc svn, flashplugin is able to read the stream. but i got strange behaviour from vlc0.8.6 on this stream, "vlc http://myurl/stream.flv" it fails reporting "first frame is no keyframe".. ok but the strange part is if i do "wget -O /tmp/slota.flv http://myurl/stream.flv; vlc /tmp/slota.flv" THEN vlc0.8.6 read the video without issue (aka skip the first frames which are not keyframe)... any explaination on12:41
zorglu_thisstrange behaviour ? <- from a #videolan discussion12:41
zorglu_after investigation, it appeared that mplayer and ffplay on feisty have the exact same weird behaviour12:41
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zorglu_and that vlc/ffplay from trunk no more have it12:42
zorglu_so it points to ffmpeg bug :)12:42
zorglu_ok this was just a 'headup'12:42
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zorglu_i got my info, thanks for the help :)12:42
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c1|freakydoes anyone know why adept has been removed?02:13
Hobbseedependancy problems with apt, i'd expect.02:15
Hobbseeyou should, if you accepted it's removal suggestion02:16
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Hobbseec1|freaky: ^02:20
c1|freakyk thx ^^02:23
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dissonansany wine/eac users?04:21
dissonanseac suddenly won't work under wine for me :\04:21
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starzhey i had a major problem - couple minutes before 5am i see kills to running processes - rc0 etc05:26
starzthing is i didnt kill it - only one user exists on this system and there is no root pass05:26
starzinstalling rootkit hunter stuff but any other ideas?05:26
Toma-calm down and think about what might have done it?05:28
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starzToma-: i looked in the logs - no failures and i was on my stable distro install05:28
starz;_;05:29
Toma-tail -f some of the log files05:29
starzthere was no power outage - and i checked the bash history also05:29
starzToma-: i just look at the whole thing05:29
Toma-bash history said anything?05:29
starzbut what does -f do05:29
starzToma-: nope nothing interesting ends with about what i would expect it to - and im not finding any malware so far05:30
blueCommandIs this crash a known bug? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29105/05:30
blueCommandHappens when I download files or open certain dialogs in FF05:31
blueCommandFirefox*05:31
starzheh nice one blueCommand05:31
Toma-https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/12127705:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121277 in firefox "gusty firefox memory corruption warning" [Medium,Confirmed] 05:32
gnomefreakToma-: its known and there isnt much we can do about it. me and the other firefox devel are working on an way around it05:33
starzignore the memory corruption warning blueCommand :P05:33
blueCommandyeah05:33
blueCommandI do05:33
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Toma-:D05:33
starzmy system does that everytime i run anything ;_;05:33
gnomefreakah sorry05:33
Toma-np05:33
blueCommandYes wine too05:33
blueCommandmine*05:33
blueCommandBut it doesn't crash all that often05:34
blueCommandJust certain dialogs05:34
blueCommandLike the "Add bookmark" and "Preferences" but not "Organize bookmarks"05:34
starzToma-: this thing says something about root login possible - have you tried running rkhunter on a fresh installed system? i'm curious what it means05:34
gnomefreakmozilla apps all together will do it even after the rest is fixed unless glibc goes back to hiding it. mozilla doesnt call g_thread ever and never has05:34
starzas ive not set a pw05:34
gnomefreakblueCommand: crash is not related05:34
blueCommandgnomefreak, I know :)05:34
Toma-starz: interesting05:35
blueCommandThat's why I asked if it was known05:35
Toma-starz: anything suspicious in /etc/sudoers ?05:35
starzoh i get it05:36
starzits just that it was allowed in ssh but ther'es no root pw to chec against05:36
starz[08:31:52]  Info: Found 'PermitRootLogin yes'. Unsafe for production servers...05:36
starz[08:31:52]  Tip: Change the option in your configuration file (/etc/ssh/sshd_config).05:36
Toma-that shouldnt be set05:36
starzmm05:36
Toma-i know that for a fact05:37
starzsure? i install ssh first thing05:37
starzlets try purging and reinstalling and seeing05:37
Toma-its always disabled as default05:37
Toma-if not, thats a bug05:37
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blueCommand# Authentication:05:37
blueCommandLoginGraceTime 12005:37
blueCommandPermitRootLogin yes05:37
blueCommandSays mine05:37
blueCommandHaven't changed it05:38
Toma-i see05:38
Toma-maybe im wrong05:38
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pimp31415yeah Toma- its enabled by default when you install package ssh05:45
pimp31415but remember the system ships without that package installed - and with no root pass05:45
Hobbseeeverybody PHEAR!!!05:45
pimp31415also rkhunter no good thus far on gutsy - no md5 checking05:46
pimp31415owell05:46
pimp31415eth2: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[4963] )  <<-- whats that?05:49
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pimp31415gah05:51
pimp31415lets find out05:51
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Hobbseehehe05:51
Hobbseewell, okay, more broken than it is already05:51
tretleany news on libcurl?05:51
pimp31415The following packages have been kept back:05:51
pimp31415  apt apt-utils libcurl3-gnutls libcurl4-gnutls05:51
pimp31415you safe05:52
pimp31415tretle, /topic05:52
pimp31415=/05:52
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Hobbseetretle: topic05:52
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing and the like. | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, there are libcurl* issues ATM being sorted. | Yes, pa
tretlei know05:52
pimp31415Hobbsee, : it cut u off05:52
pimp31415XD05:52
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing and the like. | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, there are libcurl* issues ATM. | Yes, part of the wor
Hobbseei know05:52
pimp31415just add libcurl* and apt*05:53
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing and the like. | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, there are libcurl* and apt issues ATM. Please don't f
pimp31415yey05:53
tretlei was just wondering if theres any news on when the libcurl update will be released?05:53
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing and the like. | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, there are libcurl* and apt issues ATM. Just sit back
Hobbseetretle: when openoffice is updated.05:53
Hobbseeyou people arent patient, are you?  :P05:54
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tretle:D05:54
pimp31415yesiam05:54
pimp31415:D05:54
pimp31415imsopatientitimpressesevenme!05:54
pimp31415gah05:54
tretleit libcurl maintained by the openoffice team?05:54
Hobbseeno05:54
tretlei thought libcurl4 was supposed to be backwards compatable05:55
tretlewith 305:55
Hobbseeit's not.  that's the problem05:55
tretlelol05:55
tretlethat makes sense05:55
tretlewho was assigned to the bug?05:55
Hobbseeno one.  it wasnt needed.05:56
tretleso who's fixing it?05:56
tretleeveryone?05:56
Hobbseethe openoffice maintainer, when he next uplaods it05:56
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Hobbseeno need to assign a person to a bug, if that person does all uploads for that package anyway...05:57
tretlesuppose05:57
pimp31415lokl05:58
pimp31415lol*05:58
pimp31415Hobbsee, all i konw is its not doing anything that seems to matter to me ^_^05:58
pimp31415for which i am appropriately grateful05:58
pimp31415:)05:58
Hobbseepimp31415: yes.  patience.05:58
Hobbsee:)05:58
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pimp31415:)06:07
Hobbseenow, about that patience...this thing is taking so long to puload...06:07
tretlepuload? :D06:08
tretlelol06:09
tretlespill glue on the keyboard? :P06:09
pimp31415!paste06:12
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:12
Hobbseeupload06:12
HobbseeUploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):06:12
Hobbsee  apt_0.7.2ubuntu6.dsc: done.06:12
Hobbsee  apt_0.7.2ubuntu6.tar.gz:06:12
pimp31415http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29113/   <<--- looking at that what does that make you think happened??06:13
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tretlecough cough06:25
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SeveredCrossI like being on the bleeding edge.06:26
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tretle:D06:26
SeveredCrossThough it's doing lots of funky stuff with Moz packages.06:26
SeveredCrossProbably because I used the Gnomefreaks repo to grab newer Thunderbird and Firefox and Liferea.06:26
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SeveredCrossAgh, shit!06:30
=== SeveredCross accidentally hit Ctrl-C in the dumb-terminal that dist-upgrade uses.
SeveredCrossSo now I have a whole bunch of failed dependencies.06:30
SeveredCrossOh well, that's what apt-get -f install is for.06:30
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TreMobylso, emacs22 coming in?06:41
TreMobyl:)06:41
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cps1966: libstdc++.so.5:06:51
cps1966! libstdc++.so.5:06:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about libstdc++.so.5: - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:52
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SeveredCrossBah!06:57
SeveredCrosslibapt = :(06:57
HobbseeSeveredCross: just wait...06:58
SeveredCrossOh, you're working on it?06:58
Hobbseeand you did use apt-get -f install during a broken period...so it wasnt working very well06:58
Hobbseeyeah.  have uploaded apt, will upload the rest later on today06:59
Hobbseeneed to wait for apt to propogate around, etc06:59
SeveredCrossOh, okay.06:59
SeveredCrossI'm not getting the latest apt though..06:59
SeveredCrossOh, maybe I am.07:00
SeveredCross0.7.307:00
Hobbseeshould be ubuntu607:00
Hobbseeit's probbaly still building though.  or hasnt started, if ooo is there.07:00
Hobbseeit can wait ~12 hours or whatever.  it's already been broken fro a couple of days (which someone else did)07:00
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SeveredCrossI think OO.o might be there, since I'm having some issues with it too.07:01
Hobbseeit failed to build on i386, i'm told07:02
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SeveredCrossI see an upload of apt about 27 minutes ago, I'm presuming that's you.07:04
Hobbseeoh neat.  apt just got published07:04
Hobbseeyeah, that's me07:04
Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/0.7.2ubuntu607:04
Hobbseeno builds yet07:04
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SeveredCrossSo once it gets built all the issues with libapt-pkg and stuff missing should be resolved?07:08
Hobbseeyeah07:09
SeveredCrossExcellent.07:09
SeveredCrossOtherwise Gutsy actually works okay for me.07:09
HobbseeSeveredCross: i mean, i have to wait for apt to build, and teh binaries to publish (er, and probably go to thru NEW too, dammit), before i can upload the rest07:10
SeveredCrossRight.07:10
SeveredCrossYeah, OO.org is broken too--dependency on libcurl4-gnutls which in turn depends on libcurl3-gnutls but it has to be exactly ubuntu3 and the installable version is ubuntu4.07:12
jussi01Hobbsee: around?07:12
jussi01still?07:12
Hobbseejussi01: yeah07:12
HobbseeSeveredCross: meh.  libcurl is just evil.07:12
HobbseeSeveredCross: that'll be fixed with the rebuild - but there are other changes going in too07:13
jussi01Hobbsee: looking at your convo here Im assuming its not very safe to boot into gutsy atm?07:13
SeveredCrossYeah, I figured.07:13
Hobbseeit's ages until tribe 3, so a bit of breakage isnt making me nervous yet07:13
Hobbseejussi01: sure, it's safe.  just dont randomly hit y to every upgrade07:13
SeveredCrossYeah, ditto. I'm expecting things to not work quite right when I play around.07:13
SeveredCrossYeah, I picked a bad time to dist-upgrade.07:13
SeveredCross<_>07:13
Hobbseesafer around the tribes and such.  *shrugs*07:13
SeveredCrossOh well. :-)07:14
SeveredCrossAs long as my system is mostly usable, I'll be fine.07:14
Hobbseehehe07:14
SeveredCrossAnd mostly usable it is. :)07:14
Hobbseejust a bit of apt buggery07:14
Hobbseeby now, i've even buggered my own system, which isnt so cool07:14
SeveredCrossThunderbird, Firefox, Xchat, Liferea, all the important stuff runs.07:14
pimp31415SeveredCross, because its useable -[the jump why] 07:18
pimp31415tho i would recommend it as a second install not main lol07:18
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Hobbseedoes feel slightly scary, though07:19
Hobbseei found that i didnt have the motivation to do merges, etc, while i was still running gutsy07:19
pimp31415her? O:07:20
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pimp31415so you mentioned the other day your a core dev or so07:20
pimp31415what are you responsable for?07:20
pimp31415[if you dont mind me asking] 07:21
pimp31415i'm guessing apt has something to do with it?07:21
Hobbseethis is the first time i've touched apt, actually07:21
pimp31415o:07:21
pimp31415congrats?07:21
Hobbseeto paste from somewhere else...07:22
Hobbsee<Hobbsee> if you were wondering, i'm the managerial-side of kubuntu, do a fair bit of MOTU stuff, help out with the release management, as a community member, core dev, occasional bits of liasing with the forums, and liasing with the various parts of the development community, trying to keep in touch with everything. and a fair bit of bug triage. + full time uni + part time job.07:22
Hobbsee[Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:16]  <Hobbsee> all of those bits, in various levels of activity, depending on time07:22
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Hobbsee[Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:32]  <Hobbsee> oh, and i managed to get off the irc council, but still go and do damage control with that.07:22
Hobbseeerk.07:22
Hobbsee[03:22]  <Hobbsee> to paste from somewhere else...07:22
Hobbsee[03:22]  <Hobbsee> <Hobbsee> if you were wondering, i'm the managerial-side of kubuntu, do a fair bit of MOTU stuff, help out with the release management, as a community member, core dev, occasional bits of liasing with the forums, and liasing with the various parts of the development community, trying to keep in touch with everything. and a fair bit of bug triage. + full time uni + part time job.07:22
Hobbsee[03:22]  <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:16]  <Hobbsee> all of those bits, in various levels of activity, depending on time07:22
Hobbsee[03:22]  <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 27 2007]  [23:21:32]  <Hobbsee> oh, and i managed to get off the irc council, but still go and do damage control with that.07:22
Hobbseepimp31415: ^07:23
pimp31415ah and sorry about that hit the wrong button07:23
pimp31415wow07:23
Hobbseehehe, yeah, it seems a bit like that07:23
pimp31415well from one anonymous power? user thanx :)07:23
Hobbsee:)07:23
Hobbseeit's fun07:24
pimp31415hehe07:24
pimp31415so you code a bit then?07:24
Hobbseeno - veyr little07:24
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Hobbseei can patch and whatnot, and write bits of bash, the odd bit of python, the odd bit of c++...07:25
pimp31415oh and for nvidia the black window thing - taking out triplebuffer + adding force aiglx rendering seemed to fix black window problem in beryl07:25
pimp31415ah07:25
pimp31415well thats a good bit more than i can do07:25
Hobbseei've never written a c++ thing for ubuntu, though07:25
Hobbseenot really touched python either07:25
pimp31415i wish we could get friggan utorrent07:25
pimp31415they coded it for the mac already07:25
pimp31415should be able to port that fairly easily already ~_~07:26
Hobbseeit's mainly bits of bash, knowing the archive, patching, taking patches from otehr places, etc07:26
pimp31415yes yes i know wine... bah07:26
Hobbseeheh07:26
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pimp31415also i noticed that the ntfs-3g drivers use a lot of cpu from here - wonder what that's about07:26
Hobbseeit's probably on crack.  *shrugs*07:26
pimp31415lol07:27
Hobbseenever used it - i value my data a bit more than that.07:27
pimp31415my poor system is a pos so i'm happy it works fairly smoothly anyway07:27
ompaulpimp31415, it is the fs that should be abandoned ;-)07:27
ompaulstep into the light and use real fs's :-)07:27
pimp31415ompaul, while i might agree with you - we should either make a better fat or make a better windows driver for ext307:27
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pimp31415ompaul, i use ext3/reiser/ntfs depending on the partition07:28
ompaulreiser ...07:28
pimp31415i atm am only tri booting07:28
ompaulI have not used that in years07:28
pimp31415edgy / xp / gutsy07:28
pimp31415reiser is great07:28
Hobbseewhy edgy?07:28
ompaulext3 for /boot a and xfs after that07:28
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pimp31415take a look at how it speeds up access on dirs with lots of small files07:28
pimp31415xfs eh07:29
pimp31415how is that at a sudden shutdown - power los for instance?07:29
Hobbseepimp31415: reiser's fun when it dies while booting, when it's connected to a projector, in front of a whole lot of developers07:29
ompaulpimp31415, not bad07:29
pimp31415Hobbsee, lol07:29
ompaulHobbsee, please not in public :)07:29
awerner32where can i download the most recent build gutsy07:29
pimp31415!gutsy07:29
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+107:29
Hobbseeompaul: *grin*07:30
Hobbseeompaul: wasnt my system.  i didnt do a talk07:30
pimp31415so ompaul i got some vids for linux+ - talk about mind numbingly boring - learned 3 things:07:30
pimp314151. pwd 2. less is more07:30
pimp31415ok learned 2 things and forgot one07:30
pimp31415XD07:30
pimp31415oh oh the init levels - which dont work the same in debian =/07:31
ompaulHobbsee, well I just have a memory of walking back down after the machine did not work withthe projector and fabbione saying you should have rebooted dude07:31
ompauland I nearly got sick07:31
pimp31415ompaul, you were there?07:31
ompaulpimp31415, yeap07:31
pimp31415LOL07:31
pimp31415thats almost as priceless as this vid one sec07:31
Hobbseeompaul: heh07:32
pimp31415http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ07:32
ompaulpimp31415, why it never occurred to me was I have a projector in work and I have three laptops and they all work plugging in on the fly07:32
ompaulpimp31415, then we paid through the nose for the projector07:33
ompaulit is very forgiving07:33
ompaulI was not in the day they bought it07:34
ompaulthey would not have been allowed spend that much :)07:34
pimp31415ompaul, i dont know about rebooting07:37
pimp31415most of the time redetecting stuff worx07:37
pimp31415modprobe if you need to and restart x :P07:38
pimp31415but yeh07:38
pimp31415and watch that vid - pay specially attn to the last 30 sec07:38
pimp31415its PRICELESS07:38
ompaulyeah remember it when it was in the news07:39
ompaul:)07:39
pimp31415yeah hehehe07:39
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ompaulmost of the time I sit in one of three windows07:42
ompauland work away07:42
pimp31415well - what kinda effort would you put into it?07:42
pimp31415it would be nice if the mouse scroll worked to change workspaces07:42
ompaulinstall it, and work out how it works07:42
pimp31415and it [on my system]  doesnt seem to deal with the viewports correctly07:42
pimp31415ah07:42
ompaulthings like that07:43
pimp31415well if you have a decent vid card i recommend turning on the wave :D07:43
ompaulwell I only have an olde card07:43
pimp31415say your in xchat on beryl and have typed nothing in the chatlinething07:43
pimp31415push backspace and the window grows a tad07:43
pimp31415what kinda card ompaul ?07:43
pimp31415and have you tried the compiz fusion stuff?07:43
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ompaul product: RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] 07:44
pimp31415that should handle it fine if its what i think it is one sec07:44
mrsnoi couldn't go back to no beryl/compizfusion but in all honesty i turn of most of the plugins :)07:44
ompaulpimp31415, well here is one for ya, I don't even know the different kinds of stuff07:44
mrsnoits nice to be able to control how much or how little of it you want running07:44
pimp31415ompaul, its really easy to get going - the thing to watch for is your framerate07:45
pimp31415but i can tell you on the 9200 my roomate insists on beryl07:46
pimp31415XD07:46
ompaulokay, so I can upgrade my card and get it all funky07:46
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pimp31415http://lhansen.blogspot.com/2006/10/3d-desktop-beryl-and-xgl-on-ubuntu-edgy.html07:46
ompauldo it with real topys07:47
ompaultoys even07:47
pimp31415i dont like the xgl stuff tho07:47
pimp31415brb07:47
pimp31415ok back07:47
ompaulI should look at these07:47
pimp31415the way i get it going for roomate is fairly simple actually07:48
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pimp31415install beryl-manager beryl and emerald-themes07:48
pimp31415then change driver to um07:48
mrsnoubuntu wiki has more up to date info really07:48
pimp31415yeah we use ati driver07:49
pimp31415make sure dri file mode thign is in config07:49
pimp31415and your basically good to go07:49
pimp31415might need a couple extra options but thats enough to restart x and go with it07:49
pimp31415let me post his xorg for u07:50
pimp31415!paste07:50
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:50
pimp31415http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29125/07:51
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gnomefreakSeveredCross: you do relize the intent of that repo is to test packages never intended to be upgraded to gutsy using those packages. and firefox-trunk and firefox-granparadiso are both broken something awful upstream i just havent gotten around to pulling them out yet08:16
pimp31415gnomefreak, how is firefox broken?08:20
pimp31415besides the darn mozilla-mplayer08:20
pimp31415uuberstupid08:21
gnomefreakpimp31415: cairo is causing crashes08:21
pimp31415works great in epiphany btw08:21
pimp31415ah08:21
gnomefreakpimp31415: they changed the way firefox uses it and we are woriking on it :(08:21
DanaGHas the "long freeze on Asian character sets" bug in Gran Paradiso been fixed yet?08:21
gnomefreakpimp31415: -trunk and granparadiso not nomral ff08:21
pimp31415Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_drawable_unref: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed <<--- new errors08:21
pimp31415gnomefreak, ah08:21
gnomefreakpimp31415: from?08:22
pimp31415when switching themes with emerald in beryl08:23
pimp31415specifically of course the window dressing themes08:23
gnomefreakoh good08:23
pimp31415but doesnt seem to effect useability08:23
gnomefreakDanaG: i havent seen that bug yet08:23
gnomefreakatleast that i remember08:24
pimp31415also here's a question - i cant get my menus to go onto the panel - say applications > internet > hover on the actual menu and select add to panel > as a menu/drawer08:24
gnomefreakthis week is gonna be a layed back week (next 2 weeks if im lucky)08:24
gnomefreakpimp31415: see compiz i think i have seen that bug before08:24
pimp31415it was working for a minute then it wasnt so ive no idea what it was lol08:25
pimp31415gnomefreak, same in beryl/compiz/metacity08:25
pimp31415for the add menu thing08:25
pimp31415but single apps add just fine lol08:25
gnomefreakpimp31415: it works fine here without any desktop effects enabled (compiz uses metacity so maybe try disabling compiz)08:26
gnomefreaksee if that helps08:26
DanaGhttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35763708:27
pimp31415yeah no desktop effects but let me try08:27
ubotuMozilla bug 357637 in GFX: Thebes "Loading time (Tp) of pages with Chinese text is unbearable" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] 08:27
gnomefreakDanaG: ill look ty08:27
DanaGOh, apparently it's fixed.08:27
DanaGNow if only I could make Gran Paradiso use Flash,08:27
gnomefreakif it was recently it will show its face in 2.0.0.508:27
DanaGand make it replace firefox, and not be "firefox-trunk"08:27
gnomefreakor alpha 708:28
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gnomefreakit will hit in one of the dailies but dont expect to find it in repos for a while.08:29
pimp31415yeah no go08:29
gnomefreakupstream screwed up alot for alpha 608:29
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pimp31415DanaG, flash is working in granparadiso here08:31
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Biagihttp://biagi.miniville.fr08:50
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awerner32hey say i can't get the gui installer to run is there a way to kill gdm and start x and run the gui installer without gnome or to install it sans the gui08:55
pimp31415yeah08:56
pimp31415install in the safe graphics mode its a common problem awerner3208:56
pimp31415then it goes right into it08:56
pimp31415and if that doesnt work im not sure if there is an alternate installer yet08:56
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pimp31415!gutsy08:57
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+108:57
awerner32ok if i start in safe graphics mode what is the command to start the installer/08:57
pimp31415http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-2/ yeah there's an alternate08:57
pimp31415awerner32, when i did it it all worked normally08:57
pimp31415safe graphics mode just booted right into what i expect the livecd to look like normally08:58
awerner32ok08:58
awerner32thank you08:58
pimp31415no problem08:58
pimp31415one suggestion awerner3208:58
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pimp31415while in livecd assuming it boots - open terminal install xchat or irssi so u can be here at the same time if you have problems08:58
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pimp31415there's a hanging problem on manual partitioning sometimes i just dont remember what fixed it on that one sorry08:59
pimp31415lol08:59
awerner32ok will do09:00
pimp31415ok ^_^09:00
awerner32brb09:00
pimp31415cuthen09:00
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awerner32_ok i am booted into safe graphics mode although x failed on the original boot and i had to manually reconfigure it09:12
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awerner32_the installer froze on the partitioner09:15
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awerner32_well i think i am giving up with this and will try it agian in another month or so09:18
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pimp31415mm gkrellm does not have a menu entry in system tools or anywhere else by default - unless your running also the debian menu09:23
pimp31415lol09:24
pimp31415i told him it would probably pause there09:24
pimp314156 minutes of patience eh09:24
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tretleglad to see some activity today :D09:35
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SeveredCrossCrap, Hobbsee left.09:45
SeveredCrossAnyone here know how the hell I can get apt to install after make-ing it?09:46
SeveredCrossI find the binaries, but it doesn't work...09:46
SeveredCrossErr, I don't know how to install them that is.09:47
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mrsnoSeveredCross i have no idea of your prior conversation, but did you create .deb files? if so sudo dpkg -i foo.deb to install them, replacing foo with the package name09:56
SeveredCrossNope, can't create deb files.09:56
SeveredCrossNo way to do make install so checkinstall fails.09:56
SeveredCrossI know how to install with dpkg.09:56
mrsnookay, not a clue then sorry :-)09:56
SeveredCrossShe had uploaded a newer apt that fixed some problems with missing dependencies, but nobody has built it yet--I decided to build it for myself but don't know how to install it now.09:56
SeveredCross<_>09:56
mrsnohow did you build it SeveredCross ? can you explain the process for me09:57
SeveredCrossI downloaded the tarball she had uploaded, did ./configure and make09:57
SeveredCrossThe usual way to build things. :)09:57
pimp31415did you have the things you need to compile it correctly?09:57
SeveredCrossYep.09:58
SeveredCrossI did apt-get build-dep apt beforehand.09:58
pimp31415sure there's not something wieerd?09:58
pimp31415bah09:58
SeveredCrossMake finished correctly, so it's not that that's the problem.09:58
pimp31415build-dep means nothing09:58
pimp31415finishing make correctly means only a little09:58
SeveredCrossWell, make finished without any errors if it makes you feel any better?09:58
pimp31415lol09:58
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SeveredCrossI'll double-check the COMPILING file.09:58
pimp31415lol09:58
mrsnook well reading the maintainers guide should be helpful, the ubuntu version i seen on http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Deb_Guide09:58
pimp31415let mke know how it goes?09:58
pimp31415*me09:58
SeveredCrossThings you need to compile apt:09:58
pimp31415i have those exact problems all the time lol09:59
pimp31415what i need is a workstation metapackage09:59
pimp31415which installs like 4 gigs of stuff ppl dont normally need09:59
pimp31415so i can compile my 3 packages perfectly >_<09:59
SeveredCrossgcc, g++, make, ar, sh, awk, sed, a C library with the usual POSIX functions and a BSD socket layer.09:59
SeveredCrossMake 3.74 or so, gcc > 2.8..10:00
SeveredCrossI have all of those things.10:00
pimp31415mm10:00
pimp31415wierd10:01
SeveredCrossHmm..10:02
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SeveredCrossI thinK I'm getting somewhere with it.10:14
SeveredCrossThe maintainers guide is helping.10:14
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SeveredCrossFuckshit.10:23
SeveredCrossI got it to build the deb but for some reason it still won't actually provide libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6-4.410:23
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kingrayrayhello friends10:43
kingrayraywho uses xmms2 here :)10:43
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tretle"(21:23:50) SeveredCross: Fuckshit." your Jason Mewes aren't you! :D11:25
kingrayrayI see11:25
tretlekingrayray I don't use xmms211:27
kingrayrayme neither. I did like an hour ago11:27
kingrayraylol11:27
tretlehaven't tried xmms to be honest11:29
tretlestarted off with amarok then banshee, then rhythmbox11:29
tretlei dont like mono11:29
tretle:)11:29
kingrayrayI don't like GUI's11:30
kingrayraylol11:30
kingrayraywell not for music at least11:30
tretleterminal is usually quicker for most things but music needs i would doubt very much :D11:31
tretlecreating ques etc11:31
tretleno thanks :D11:31
kingrayrayyou should really try mpd + ncmpc then lol11:31
kingrayrayI've been using mpd for like, 3 years now11:31
tretleI need a new keyboard, i spilled glue on this one last year and the key's have been a bit annoying ever since11:32
tretlellol11:32
tretlegrrr11:32
tretle:D11:32
tretlejust took a look at some screenshots for gxmms2, it looks freaking horrible :D11:34
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kingrayrayhttp://hem.bredband.net/kaw/ncmpc/screenshots.html11:34
kingrayraythat is my fav app for handing music11:35
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tretle:D11:36
tretlea keep it simple guy :D11:36
kingrayraybecause when you get your playlist set up, you just close it11:36
kingrayrayno need to keep it running11:36
kingrayraybecause a daemon is playing the music :)11:36
tretlenice11:36
kingrayrayI play anarchy online a lot so I use a cli app ;p11:37
kingrayrayso I can ctrl+alt+f2 over and change the music11:37
tretlebrb11:37
sacaterhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QADays11:40
tretleback11:44
tretle"anarchy online" bah humbug11:44
tretle:D11:44
tretlewhat a terrible game11:44
kingrayraypff11:44
tretlebeen playing warsow lately11:45
kingrayrayits like the only mmo I've played that didn't make me wanna quit11:45
tretlethe mmorpg im waiting for is the new elite game11:45
tretlell11:45
tretlelol11:45
tretlewarsow is a great game, been playing that lately, brings a good name to pen source linux native gameing11:46
tretlethough I think there is a huge lack of open source storey based polished games out there11:46
tretlewarsow is nice and polished :D11:47
tretleto play the latest version it uninstalled the broken libcurl4 package though :/ and open office :D lol11:48
tretlehint hint11:48
tretlelol11:48
kingrayrayare you trying to get me to install warsow11:48
tretleif your using gutsy id advice not at the moment11:48
tretleuntil libcurl is fixed11:49
tretleim very happy with gutsy as a whole right now to be honest11:50
tretlecompiz worked from the get go11:50
tretle:D11:50
kingrayrayI've never had problems with compiz in the first place11:50
tretlenever did that before on my machine, used to have horrible problems with it11:50
kingrayrayI hate how the appearance configuation takes a week and a half to open11:51
tretleopens relatively quick for me11:51
tretleI'm using beryl instead of compiz fusion at the moment though11:51
kingrayrayas am I11:52
tretlefind its more stable11:52
tretleand compiz fusion doesn't "yet" have the customizing features I want11:52
kingrayraycompiz fusion sounds like a carbonated beverage11:52
kingrayrayit should be11:53
tretlethey should have just called it fusion11:53
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tretledoesn't matter anyway, as long as they have stopped bickering over the name and started doing some work :D11:54
tretleseriously considering installing the 64bit version of gutsy on my machine11:55
tretlewondering if id see much of a performance boost11:55
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mrsnotretle i dont see/feel any different here on the desktop with 64bit vs 3212:02
tretleHmmmmm... maybe i wasted my money last year getting a dual core 64bit AMD processor :D12:05
mrsnoim sure the dual cores will benefit more than the 64bit instructions :-) unless you aer serving/have >4gig of ram12:06
tretlewell I have 1 gig at the moment, plan to add another 3 gigs soon but need to find a new apartment first :D12:07
tretleIts going to be my media center pc/ media server once ubuntu media center comes out :D12:08
tretlethen I'll have another system as my desktop12:08
tretle:P12:08
ponicgheh Q6600 for your next build, TreMobyl12:08
ponicgerr tretle12:08
ponicglol12:08
tretleAlso have to get some new hardrives, i was thinking3 or four terabytes12:08
ponicg$250 for 4 cores12:09
tretleYeah, Im holding off for AMD's new chipset12:09
tretlethis is a socket am2 machine12:09
ponicgHeh - I'm gonna holdon to my desktop for a bit - Athlon 64 x2 3800+ w/2GB ram on the 939 platform12:09
ponicgdecent for now.12:09
tretleso i'll need to get a new motherboard for amd's new processor anyway12:09
ponicgheh but you can't beat 4 cores of gooey goodness for $25012:11
ponicg:-p12:11
tretleamd or intel12:11
tretleintel dont do true multicore12:11
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tretlethats what AMD's new processor is going to be12:12
tretletrue quad core computing12:12
tretlenot just cores bolted together12:12
tretleubuntu has come a long way since dapper :D12:14
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tretleplanet gnome seems to be f+cked12:20
tretlei mean it needs a fsck12:20
tretle:D12:20
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