[09:30] <Mithrandir> an Hobbsee!
[09:31] <Hobbsee> it's a Mithrandir!
[09:31] <Mithrandir> indeed, it is.
[09:32] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: are you still in norway, or in london now?
[09:32] <Mithrandir> how's your sunday afternoon?
[09:32] <Mithrandir> leaving for London this early evening.
[09:32] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: well, i was working.  so...
[09:32] <Hobbsee> and it was quiet - hooray!
[09:33] <Mithrandir> sounds good.
[09:33] <Mithrandir> being told you're cute is nice though?  As long as it's done in a nice and polite fashion.
[09:33] <Hobbsee> sure.  as long as there isnt a look in the teller's eyes of "oh i wish i could date you" or worse. 
[09:33] <Mithrandir> yup
[09:34] <Hobbsee> will see how well it works
[09:34] <Mithrandir> you have?
[09:34] <Hobbsee> (or at least, it'll change when i reconnect)
[09:34] <Mithrandir> ah, ok.
[09:35] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: do enjoy london. i'm envious of you :P
[11:27] <aquo> hi
[11:27] <aquo> i have created a debbootstrapped minimal ubuntu in a directory
[11:28] <aquo> is there a way to give a parameter to the initrd-image to use this directory for pivot root?
[11:29] <|Cordyce|> tftpd doesnt show up in ps list after ive installed it and ran it. why might this be? not using inetd
[11:29] <Mithrandir> |Cordyce|: please, this channel is not for support, try #ubuntu
[11:29] <|Cordyce|> they are clueless
[11:29] <|Cordyce|> had a hard time even getting them to respond
[11:30] <pitti> hey Mithrandir 
[11:30] <Mithrandir> try asking a question on the answer tracker, then.  Asking for support in here is inappropriate in any case.
[11:30] <Mithrandir> hiya Martin
[11:32] <|Cordyce|> what is answer tracker
[11:32] <Mithrandir> https://answers.launchpad.net/
[11:35] <Fujitsu> Can somebody with appropriate superpowers please check what ate all sparc binaries for dcc 1.3.42-4build1?
[11:43] <cjwatson> aquo: I don't think that's possible with current initramfs-tools without some additional hacking
[11:50] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: nothing as such - but for some reason the cron.daily that was busy processing it seems to have got stuck
[11:50] <cjwatson> so it's actually in the archive on drescher but not mirrored
[11:50] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: Ah, right. So LP is right when it says it's published.
[11:50] <cjwatson> yeah
[11:51] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: Thanks for looking at that. Any idea when it'll be resolved?
[11:51] <cjwatson> I'm sorting it out
[11:51] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[11:53] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: I've killed the hung process, so with any luck the next cron.daily will proceed normally, and those binaries should be visible in maybe three-quarters of an hour
[11:54] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: Right, thanks.
[11:54] <cjwatson> if they aren't, wait another 15 minutes or so beyond that and then ask me again
[11:54] <cjwatson> cron.daily doesn't start until :03
[11:55] <cjwatson> normally it would finish around :30 or so
[11:55] <Fujitsu> I thought it was around :40, but that's still a rather long time.
[11:56] <Fujitsu> Anyway, thanks for looking into that.
[11:56] <cjwatson> mm. a lot of it's (1) apt-ftparchive and (2) death row processing (which needs to walk timestamps in the pool, IIRC)
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Doesn't it have a table it can look death row candidates up in?
[11:58] <cjwatson> actually, yeah, looking at it, it does seem to be a honking great SELECT
[11:59] <Fujitsu> Still, that's surely only... 5 architectures * 22000 binaries * 4 releases + sources... I guess that's a few.
[11:59] <cjwatson> I'm not sure, could be insufficient db indexing, could be badly optimised SELECTs so that it has to read big wodges of stuff into python
[11:59] <cjwatson> I'm not enough of a postgresql expert to be able to tell
[12:33] <Hobbsee> greetings all
[12:34] <ajmitch> greetings Hobbsee 
[12:34] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:35] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu, ajmitch 
[12:36] <Hobbsee> it wont.  it hates you
[12:38] <StevenK> Heh
[12:39] <Fujitsu> Of course, my very evil dcc sparc binaries caused it choke.
[12:48] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: you're quite right - there's a clear inefficiency there. I'm writing a mail to the launchpad list now with an analysis and a suggested patch
[12:50] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: And it seems to have not completed this hour either.
[12:51] <Nafallo> *s*S
[12:51] <Nafallo> -S
[12:58] <Fujitsu> cpr
[12:58] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[01:01] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: no, it worked fine this time
[01:01] <pochu> slomo: liferea has released 1.4~rc1. The major feature in 1.4 is comments in the feeds are now displayed. I'm using it, and it seems stable here. Since there are still more than 3 months for Gutsy's release, do you think it's a good idea to upload it, so we can test and debug it? Or better wait for the final release?
[01:02] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: I can't see those sparc binaries on archive.u.c.
[01:02] <Nafallo> pochu: when is the final release? :-)
[01:02] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: I think the mirroring must be still in progress or something
[01:02] <cjwatson> oh, hmm, the Packages files for sparc still say -4
[01:02] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: Ah, I normally see it done by about 20 minutes ago.
[01:03] <cjwatson> what the hell is going on?
[01:03] <pochu> Nafallo: as soon as there are no major bugs ;) Probably in a couple of weeks or so.
[01:03] <Fujitsu> That's... odd. So maybe it did get eaten?
[01:03] <cjwatson> well, no, the binaries ARE on disk
[01:03] <Nafallo> pochu: well, it IS development version :-P
[01:03] <Fujitsu> But apt-ftparchive didn't pick them up?
[01:03] <Nafallo> pochu: but yea, wait for slomo :-)
[01:03] <cjwatson> there was nothing to publish this time round, so apt-ftparchive wasn't run
[01:04] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[01:04] <cjwatson> I reckon that after I killed cron.daily, it didn't put the new dists tree in place
[01:04] <pochu> Nafallo: maybe we should wait for at least an rc2...
[01:04] <cjwatson> so it needs another real item to publish to get back in sync
[01:05] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: Process the sync queue :P
[01:05] <slomo> pochu: ask them if the final release will definitely be ~2 weeks before gutsy release... and then let's upload it :)
[01:05] <Nafallo> pochu: you might want to build one, throw it around to some more people and make them report if it's stable for them :-)
[01:05] <StevenK> cjwatson: If you want to kick something in, sync kwave from incoming.d.o, it's one more nail in libflac++5's coffin. :-)
[01:06] <Nafallo> pochu: /me and slomo are such people that will want to try it out ;-)
[01:06] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: not on a Sunday :P
[01:06] <cjwatson> I can do one though ...
[01:06] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: Hence the `:P'
[01:06] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: bah.  i'ts almost mondya
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hell, wait 55 mins, then it really is monday.
[01:07] <StevenK> In which timezone?
[01:07] <StevenK> Oh, right. NZ.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> nz, i believe
[01:07] <pochu> Nafallo, slomo: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~liferea/liferea_1.4~rc1-ubuntu1_i386.deb ;)
[01:08] <slomo> pochu: thanks :)
[01:08] <slomo> pochu: just tell me when upstream promised to release early enough ;)
[01:08] <pochu> slomo: they told me it might need a couple of RCs more, but that they will try to release them every week. So 2 RCs * 1 week = 2 weeks :)
[01:09] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: server? :-)
[01:09] <Nafallo> sabdfl: morning Mark :-)
[01:09] <slomo> pochu: good, source package is at the usual place?
[01:10] <sabdfl> hey Nafallo
[01:10] <Nafallo> sabdfl: how's life? :-)
[01:10] <sabdfl> good! off to wimbledon now :-)
[01:11] <realist> lucky you!
[01:11] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[01:11] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: inefficiency> well, you got me to stop assuming that it was slow because it was walking the disk
[01:12] <cjwatson> StevenK: done
[01:12] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: Ah, right. I didn't think it would be /that/ stupid.
[01:12] <cjwatson> (kwave)
[01:12] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: It has missed this run, hasn't it?
[01:12] <pochu> slomo: to upload to ubuntu? I have to make a couple of changes (e.g. remove changelogs and that...)
[01:12] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: yeah
[01:13] <slomo> pochu: yes, this evening then :) bbl
[01:14] <pochu> slomo: ok, will upload to it soon. Thanks!
[01:20] <StevenK> cjwatson: Ohh, thanks!
[01:38] <Hobbsee> hi persia 
[01:38] <persia> Hi Hobbsee
[01:45] <yaccin> didnt somebody yesterday say, that there were new kopete packages later that day? ^^
[02:01] <Hobbsee> yaccin: not here they didnt, and i said that i'd fix it
[02:01] <Hobbsee> for gutsy, at least.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> however, i was working on my paid job today, so i may not be doing as much ubuntu stuff tonight.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> seeing as i take breaks occasionally - especially when it's not in the european working week, which means it's quiet here :)
[02:04] <pochu> slomo: done :) http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/
[02:04] <yaccin> oh only for gutsy :/
[02:05] <yaccin> hmm can you tell me, how i can fix it on feisty? :D
[02:05] <Hobbsee> well, i'ts a pain to build for multiple releases for every patch
[02:05] <Hobbsee> sure, take the patch, apply it to the feisty source, build it
[02:05] <yaccin> i know how to compile stuff, but i dont know where i get the fixed sources
[02:05] <yaccin> or how to apply a patch :D
[02:08] <yaccin> but if you can tell me, where i can download that stuff, ill try :)
[02:09] <yaccin> oh... and is checkinstall fixed or still buggy 
[02:09] <yaccin> if it is ill use the edgy-version
[02:09] <Hobbsee> checkinstall is always crap.
[02:10] <yaccin> but i dont know any other programms to build packages :/
[02:11] <yaccin> and id love to set up a repo for the packages ive done so far, but i dont know how :(
[02:12] <Hobbsee> what i'd like to do is go and triage some kopete bugs, send them upstream, etc, and get patches for more bis
[02:12] <Hobbsee> *bits
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hi pygi 
[02:19] <pygi> heya Hobbsee 
[02:30] <mr_pouit> pygi: hey! are you working on brasero ftbfs? :P
[02:30] <yaccin> Hobbsee: can you tell me, where i can get that patch? or is the patch already in the sources from kopete.kde.org?
[02:30] <pygi> mr_pouit, yea, I'm on it
[02:31] <Hobbsee> yaccin: it's the one linked on the bug report, in svn
[02:31] <pygi> mr_pouit, I'll upload a new version tomorrow
[02:31] <Hobbsee> it's also the attachment before the SVN commit, i think
[02:31] <pygi> mr_pouit, is 0.6.0 out?
[02:31] <mr_pouit> pygi: ok (please check if the patch properly applies before :P)
[02:31] <mr_pouit> pygi: afaik, no
[02:31] <pygi> mr_pouit, ok, and I'll check everything, ofcourse
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Yay, apt-ftparchive ran again :)
[02:37] <pygi> mr_pouit, I know what's the problem anyway ^_^
[02:39] <mr_pouit> ^^
[02:50] <hikenboot> greetings all-- cat packages_removable-final.txt | cut -f 1 --delimiter=, |  xargs apt-get remove --purge causes all the listed packages to be removed at once. I would like to remove each one and prompt between each package listed so I can see which one is removing packages I do not wish---any idea how?
[02:51] <cjwatson> xargs -n1
[02:52] <cjwatson> apt-get will prompt whenever more than just the package you asked for is to be removed
[02:53] <cjwatson> apt-get -s if you just want to simulate each in turn
[02:53] <hikenboot> so if I am feeding it from a list that will do one at a time?
[02:53] <cjwatson> yes
[02:53] <hikenboot> thanks
[02:53] <cjwatson>        --max-args=max-args, -n max-args
[02:53] <cjwatson>               Use at most max-args arguments per command line.  Fewer than max-args arguments will be used if the size (see the -s option) is exceeded, unless the -x option is given, in which  case  xargs
[02:53] <cjwatson>               will exit.
[02:54] <hikenboot> thanks!
[02:54] <hikenboot> i thought I would have to do it with a for loop some how
[03:50] <yaccin> ok
[03:50] <yaccin> i build kopete
[03:50] <yaccin> and the bug is gone
[03:50] <yaccin> but also is the option to hide the scrollbar -_-
[04:06] <StevenK> cjwatson: I know it's weekend and all, but if you feel so inclined would you mind checking why kwave hasn't got any builds at all, even though the source was published 2 hours ago?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> StevenK: he's probably on a plain - or waiting at the airport, or something
[04:08] <StevenK> "plain", you say?
[04:09] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Because soyuz is doing crazy things? cron.daily was having issues with publishing them to the outside world, so I'm sure it'll find an excuse to not publish sources internally.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> er, plane
[04:09] <StevenK> Ouch!
[04:09] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Mmmm, more Soyuz breakage fun.
[04:10] <Fujitsu> That's right :)
[04:11] <geser> was there a LP rollout again in the last days?
[04:11] <Fujitsu> geser: We're about half way between releases at the moment, so nought but cherrypicks.
[04:12] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/+builds/kohnen -> it's normal the status of this machine
[04:12] <Kmos> ?
[04:13] <StevenK> Kmos: It's hppa, which was last bootstrapped for dapper.
[04:13] <Fujitsu> Kmos: It's hppa, and it's likely that nobody really cares during the weekend.
[04:13] <StevenK> If you look, you'll notice that no builds for hppa get registered.
[04:13] <Fujitsu> Particularly due to the fact it'll only dodapper-updates, yes.
[04:13] <Kmos> Fujitsu: so any admins to fix it.
[04:13] <Kmos> that's bad
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Kmos: not.  on.  a.  weekend.
[04:14] <StevenK> Why does it fixing? It's *allowed* to be idle.
[04:14] <Fujitsu> Kmos: And particularly not because it's hppa.
[04:14] <StevenK> need fixing, even
[04:14] <Fujitsu> It might get used every few months.
[04:14] <StevenK> It's not broken, ergo, it doesn't need fixing.
[04:14] <StevenK> It's not rocket science.
[04:15] <Kmos> :)
[04:38] <Tuxist> hi
[04:45] <Tuxist> why you build openldap packages without sql support ?
[04:48] <realist> Perhaps it's not a typical use case
[04:48] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[04:48] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[04:50] <realist> Hobbsee: or a mailing list, bug reporting?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> realist: that too
[05:12] <geser> Hobbsee: it looks like I got apt building
[05:12] <Hobbsee> geser: yay!
[05:12] <geser> the last missing build-depends is docbook
[05:12] <geser> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0), libdb4.4-dev, gettext (>= 0.12), libcurl4-gnutls-dev (>= 7.15.5), automake, xsltproc, docbook-xsl, xmlt
[05:12] <geser> o, docbook
[05:13] <geser> broken line-wrap
[05:13] <geser> that's the B-D line it tested the last build attempt
[05:13] <Hobbsee> automake or autoconf?
[05:14] <StevenK> automake Depends on autoconf
[05:14] <Hobbsee> the last one died over autoconf, i thought
[05:14] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:14] <geser> you need both but automake installs autoconf, so I wouldn't list it
[05:15] <Hobbsee> ah right
[05:27] <hackeron> when is asterisk going to be fixed in gutsy? (any why was libcurl3 deprecated without testing what it breaks)
[05:27] <StevenK> asterisk was fixed 2 days ago.
[05:28] <StevenK> And actually, it's the other way around.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> geser: holy hell, this actually builds
[05:31] <StevenK> Heh, upload it, quick.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> i'd prefer to test first...
[05:31] <hackeron> StevenK: errr, not here -- complains about libcurl3-gnutls
[05:31] <StevenK> Then I suspect your mirror is out of date.
[05:32] <geser> hackeron: does it perhaps want to deinstall OO.o?
[05:32] <hackeron> I tried 4 mirrors already
[05:32] <StevenK> Oh, that could be it.
[05:32] <StevenK> Openoffice.org is still waiting to be fixed.
[05:32] <geser> was it uploaded today?
[05:32] <Nafallo> was about to say that :-)
[05:32] <StevenK> That's a question for calc.
[05:33] <Hobbsee> it wasnt
[05:33] <Hobbsee> doko had some changes he wanted to make
[05:33] <hackeron> geser: err, no, apt doesn't mention openoffice
[05:33] <Nafallo> hackeron: does here.
[05:34] <geser> StevenK: there was an OO.o upload today, amd64, powerpc and sparc are building now and i386 failed to build
[05:34] <Nafallo> language-support-sv, libcurl4-gnutls, openoffice.org*, python-uno :-)
[05:35] <hackeron> all it says for me is these are being kept back: apt apt-utils libcurl4-gnutls vorbis-tools
[05:35] <hackeron> when I apt-get install libcurl4-gnutls it says libcurl3-gnutls unavailable
[05:35] <geser> try apt-get install libcurl3-gnutls
[05:36] <gnomefreak> hackeron: its not ready to be updated yet
[05:37] <hackeron> geser: hmm, yeah, that works openoffice removed
[05:38] <hackeron> ok, I compiled my own asterisk and openoffice still works :)
[05:47] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: are you uploading all the other bits which depends on it too?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i will, but i thought i had to wait until after it was built
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: currently, no one's uploaded those other bits anyway, so it's in limbo now
[05:48] <Mithrandir> yes, I know, and it's made me slightly annoyed that I have bits which are uninstallable. :-P
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: haha.  i didnt upload it the last 2 times.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: "you could just...you know...fix it."
[05:48] <Mithrandir> yes, I could, if I had wanted to work even more than I already do.
[05:48] <Mithrandir> :-P
[05:49] <Hobbsee> this is true :P
[05:49] <Mithrandir> and I didn't say I was annoyed at you, just that I was annoyed at it being uninstallable
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hey now, my key was nowhere near it.  it's got nothing to do with me.  *holds hands up*
[05:49] <Hobbsee> mine was only near the bzr section
[05:49] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:50] <Mithrandir> unsure what the original source for the quote was
[05:50] <Hobbsee> twas you.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> about beryl-crack, iirc.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> about all the work arounds they were using
[05:54] <Mithrandir> ah, ok.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: no, i'm not strange.  i dont think.
[05:55] <desrt> raise hands for guadec attendence
[05:55] <Mithrandir> only slightly.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: well, i'm insane enough to be involved in this, so...
[05:55] <Mithrandir> desrt: I'm coming on Monday and Tuesday, possibly Sunday too, at least Sunday evening.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> hiya desrt!
[05:55] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: strange != insane. :-)
[05:55] <desrt> Mithrandir; nice
[05:55] <geser> I could prepare some debdiffs for apt's rdepends after Hobbsee uploads apt 0.7.2ubuntu6
[05:55] <Hobbsee> geser: it's OK - i ahve them here
[05:56] <desrt> Mithrandir; seems that you will miss my talk on sunday :(
[05:57] <desrt> and my talk on thursday too :p
[05:57] <Mithrandir> desrt: I can buy you beer instead.
[05:57] <desrt> mmmm.  beer.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: heh
[05:57] <Hobbsee> desrt: not possible.  surely
[05:57] <Hobbsee> oh come on apt...upload...
[05:57] <desrt> Hobbsee; i dunno
[05:57] <Mithrandir> desrt: let's smash that pondering. :-)
[05:58] <desrt> Hobbsee; it might be possible if i immediately go back to the hotel after the last talk
[05:58] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:58] <desrt> hanging around in the common area outside of talks has a tendency to get you drunk
[05:58] <Hobbsee> well, it was possible to mostly not drink at UDS, so...
[05:58] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: but we got even you to drink a tiny bit.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> yeah.  *shudder*
[05:59] <Mithrandir> shudder?
[05:59] <desrt> cheap drunk?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i'm sure you wouldnt want to see me drunk
[05:59] <Mithrandir> it was decent bubbly wine. :-P
[05:59] <Hobbsee> sure.  i just dont like the taste of wine :P
[05:59] <Hobbsee> desrt: i can go a bit crazy at times.  also happens with large amounts of coke.;
[06:00] <desrt> well
[06:00] <desrt> cocain is a bit more of a serious matter than alcohol
[06:00] <Hobbsee> of the red can variety... :P
[06:00] <desrt> gawd!
[06:00] <desrt> you snort it by the can-full?
[06:00] <desrt> hardcore
[06:00] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[06:00] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[06:01] <Hobbsee> or of the glass bottle variety.  either wya.
[06:01] <Mithrandir> bottles or cans, you snort either?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:01] <Mithrandir> doesn't the glass hurt when it hits the nose?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> not if you do it right.
[06:02] <Mithrandir> also, bubble in nose => badness.
[06:02] <Mithrandir> bubbles, even
[06:02] <desrt> it was delicious.
[06:02] <Mithrandir> ooh, plane.
[06:02] <desrt> Mithrandir; what hotel are you staying at?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> NOT YOURS.
[06:02] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: that's ok, I'm only going to use it for a little while.
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: not even yours to borrow.
[06:02] <Mithrandir> desrt: unsure, the 35 one on the accomodation page.
[06:02] <desrt> etap
[06:03] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I'm just borrowing a seat.
[06:03] <Mithrandir> yup, that's the one.
[06:03] <desrt> me too :D
[06:03] <Hobbsee> not allowed either.
[06:03] <Mithrandir> Karianne's coming for Friday, Saturday and Sunday morning.
[06:03] <Mithrandir> bad Hobbsee!
[06:03] <Hobbsee> bah.  send her out here, i want to meet her :)
[06:03] <Mithrandir> desrt: my wife, simira in here.
[06:04] <desrt> cool
[06:04] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: just come to london.  Or Norway, I'm sure we could spare you space on the couch
[06:04] <desrt> what does she hack on?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: tempting.  tempting.  and it would be warm, too.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i wish i could come to london.
[06:04] <desrt> Hobbsee; norway?  warm?  heh.
[06:04] <Mithrandir> not much, she helps out with the norwegian ubuntu community and has done some translations.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> desrt: well.  it's winter here.  it's summer there.  it's supposed to be somewhat warm!
[06:05] <desrt> Hobbsee; "winter" in australia is a ficticious concept
[06:05] <Hobbsee> desrt: heh
[06:05] <desrt> it goes down to what?  15?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> desrt: and not all of us actually hack much, you know :P
[06:05] <Hobbsee> 8 or so.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> during the day
[06:05] <desrt> oo.  that's cold.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> goes down to 2C, or 0C, at night sometimes
[06:06] <Hobbsee> depends where you are
[06:06] <desrt> ya.  we get -40 in canada.
[06:06] <desrt> i shudder too.  we all do. :p
[06:06] <Hobbsee> unless i was piled in jackets, or something
[06:06] <desrt> you learn the value of owning a very good coat
[06:07] <Hobbsee> would be more than one, i can tell you...
[06:07] <desrt> eh.  canadian coat construction techniques are quite a lot better than you've probably ever seen :)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> mmm.  i want one for here, then.
[06:08] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you must come to Norway and try my sheep's coat then.  It's like a couple of sheep you wrap yourself in.
[06:08] <desrt> we also have toques
[06:08] <Mithrandir> very comfy.
[06:08] <Mithrandir> very warm
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe.  bring it with you to boston, if i get there.
[06:08] <desrt> !!
[06:08] <Hobbsee> might be a bit big for me though
[06:08] <desrt> boston is gonna be wild
[06:08] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: maybe, but it's slightly heavy.  Like 10kg or so.
[06:09] <desrt> it's close enough that i might be able to roadtrip down with some friends
[06:09] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: way cool.  then i'd be harder to pick up!
[06:10] <Mithrandir> true dat
[06:10] <Hobbsee> which would be good.  less temptation for people to try to do mean things to me, like break me.
[06:11] <Mithrandir> we could still throw you in the pool
[06:11] <Hobbsee> you wouldnt, though.
[06:12] <Mithrandir> I'm much too nice a person.
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: did you feed the carrier pigeons before you got on?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> desrt: clearly you never read elkbuntu's blog, after UDS
[06:16] <Hobbsee> desrt: carrier pidgeons went on strike from singapore
[06:41] <Hobbsee> oh yay, apt finally uploaded.!
[06:42] <superm1> Hobbsee, is apt what was breaking debootstrap lately?
[06:42] <Hobbsee> dont remember.  quite possible
[06:42] <superm1> hopefully:).... was getting a whole lot of these W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[06:45] <superm1> ah and looking a little closer, it was  libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6-4.4 which wasn't installable - i anticipate that was a binary result of the apt source package you uploaded?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's to do with apt
[06:46] <superm1> great! :)
[06:46] <Hobbsee> superm1: all of the apt-related stuff (synaptic, aptitude, adept, etc) needs to be rebuilt each time a change is made to apt, from what i understand
[06:47] <superm1> Hobbsee, is that sort of thing going to be automatic after your apt upload, or will each of those need to have a bug filed to be rebuilt as well?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> superm1: wasnt planning on filing bugs for it
[06:48] <Hobbsee> superm1: was planning to just update them in the morning
[06:48] <superm1> oh right your core-dev, you can just bump the changelog and reupload :)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> it's all listed on gutsy_problems anyway
[06:48] <Hobbsee> yeah :)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> well, you need to be in core for apt, too
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:52] <stgraber> openoffice is building for 14 hours now :)
[06:53] <geser> it failed in i386, so a fixed upload will be necessary
[06:54] <stgraber> right, but I'm running amd64 :)
[06:54] <stgraber> btw, I don't really see why the build failed on i386 and not on the others as well ... (looking at the log)
[06:55] <geser> stgraber: i386 builds also the arch all debs
[06:55] <geser> the others don't
[06:55] <stgraber> argh
[06:56] <geser> so you won't have much use for the amd64 debs if they need an arch all deb from this upload
[06:57] <stgraber> and I think that's the case for OOo :(
[07:30] <hunger> the apt-stuff seems to be out of sync with everything that depends on it.
[07:31] <Hobbsee> hunger: i know.  i'll fix it in the morning
[07:31] <Hobbsee> more to the point - later in the morning
[07:32] <hunger> Hobbsee: Great. Thanks!
[07:33] <Hobbsee> hunger: having apt working is not very fun at all, really...
[07:33] <Hobbsee> i'ts much better if it's segfaulting!  :P
[07:33] <geser> Hobbsee: isn't it soon morning in Australia? :p
[07:33] <Hobbsee> yeah....
[07:33] <hunger> Hobbsee: Who needs apt anyway? Everybody just uses aptitude/synaptic/adept anyway;-)
[07:34] <Hobbsee> geser: i was going to get better in when i went to bed, after UDS.  unfortunately, the european day fits in far better if i stay up, then go to bed at some late hour
[07:35] <geser> :)
[07:35] <Hobbsee> besides, it's uni holidays at the moment
[07:35] <Hobbsee> so my only real time constraint is work, and any meeting people around here that i do
[07:36] <Hobbsee> however, it's time for bed.
[07:38] <geser> sleep well
[08:41] <Biagi> http://biagi.miniville.fr/sec
[08:47] <desrt> don't visit that link.  it's a referal scam.
[08:47] <desrt> visit this one instead: http://desrt.miniville.fr/
[08:47] <desrt> :p
[08:48] <desrt> it's like an online simcity... people have to visit your page in order for your population to grow.
[08:50] <bhale> meh
[08:50] <ion_> Well said.
[08:50] <desrt> pretty boring, i think
[08:50] <desrt> as far as i can tell you can't actually do anything except watch people come
[08:51] <ion_> Well, you also get to annoy people.
[08:51] <desrt> like any good web 2.0 property
[09:01] <jdong> desrt: that's how the population grows? My mommy told me when two people really love each other, they give each other a "special hug"
[11:19] <sivang> hi folks
[11:19] <sivang> so, how dangerous is it to dist-upgrade to gutsy? 
[11:21] <geser> sivang: a curl tranisition is ongoing (OO.o is still missing) and now also an apt transition
[11:22] <geser> so this is not the best time for an dist-upgrade
[11:22] <sivang> geser: right
[11:22] <sivang> geser: why are the transitions happening ?
[11:22] <sivang> geser: (I've been away for a while, now catching up)
[11:22] <geser> curl is a long story
[11:23] <sivang> geser: switching to a different implementation ?
[11:23] <geser> curl is a libcurl3 -> libcurl4 -> libcurl3 transition
[11:24] <geser> and apt changed one of the provided libs, so everything depending on it needs to be rebuild
[11:24] <geser> usual library transitions, nothing special
[11:24] <sivang> geser: so bump up to a new version and then a downgrade ?
[11:25] <minghua> sivang: curl is a upstream thing
[11:26] <ion_> AFAIK upstream bumped the library version, but the ABI didnt really change, so now libcurl3 contains the newest package with a symlink from libcurl.so.4 to .so.3.
[11:26] <ion_> Feel free to correct me. :-)
[11:26] <geser> Debian managed to restore the API/ABI as it cause to much pain in unstalbe -> testing transitions and moved back to libcurl3
[11:27] <sivang> ion_: thanks, that explains it
[11:28] <sivang> darn, I have to run , see you tomorrow folks
[11:29] <sivang> geser: just before I run, so we just suck in the transition from debian or do we need to do stuff ourselves ?
[11:31] <ion_> The libcurl3 changelog in gutsy says: -6ubuntu1: Merge from Debian unstable; -6ubuntu{2,3}: ..., -6ubuntu4: Completly revert the two previous changes
[11:31] <sivang> ion_: thanks
[11:31] <sivang> laters