[12:23] <geser> imbrandon: does aurora has problems again?
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Are we keeping beryl and co. around for any particular reason? emerald/heliodor have already been removed, and the new compiz is meant to replace them...
[03:50] <nixternal> I want to play with the compiz fusion, but when I install it here I don't get the borders..and I can't use it on my big box because it has a Radeon
[03:52] <Vorian> nixternal, which card?
[03:52] <Vorian> and howdy :)
[03:52] <nixternal> 9700
[03:52] <nixternal> howdy mr. Vorian :)
[03:52] <Vorian> open drivers don't work?
[03:53] <nixternal> open drivers don't work with a 1440x900
[03:53] <Vorian> :-/
[03:53] <Vorian> no fun
[03:53] <Vorian> emerald --replace no workie either ?
[03:54] <nixternal> haven't tried emerald..isn't that a beryl thing?
[03:54] <Vorian> ah, that's what fusion is all about :)
[03:54] <nixternal> and I thought you couldn't use the binary blogs
[03:54] <Vorian> try this diddy
[03:54] <nixternal> blobs
[03:54] <Vorian> compiz --replace -c emerald &
[03:54] <nixternal> heh
[03:54] <Vorian> it should activate your default emerald theme
[03:56] <nixternal> can I still mess with the fusion stuff?
[03:56] <Vorian> yepper
[03:56] <nixternal> sweet arse then
[03:56] <Vorian> \o/
[03:56] <Vorian> it's fun stuff
[03:57] <nixternal> are there any funky settings with the binary blobs I need to do in xorg.conf?
[03:57] <Vorian> I havent had to 
[03:57] <Vorian> but I have an older radeon
[03:58] <Vorian> actually
[03:58] <Vorian> the setting will be the same as beryl 
[04:20] <nixternal> bah
[04:21] <Fujitsu> nixternal: What went wrong?
[04:22] <nixternal> some silly texture error with it
[04:22] <nixternal> I am gonna go enjoy some pizza now
[04:22] <Fujitsu> There's some special xorg.conf setting you need for ATI cards.
[04:56] <Fujitsu> Lutin: Are you going to merge gtk2hs at some point? It currently has unmetdeps, and the Debian package fixes that.
[04:59] <bronson> Anyone know how to create an apt mirror from packages on an ISO?
[04:59] <bronson> (I'm trying to install Gutsy but my machine doesn't have a CD-ROM drive...  Any way to feed tribe2's packages over the net?)
[05:01] <TheMuso> StevenK: Mind if I take your ecasound2.2 merge?
[05:24] <StevenK> TheMuso: Not at all. I touched it for the libflac transition.
[05:25] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I doubt it. File a removal bug, it worked for emerald. :-)
[05:25] <StevenK> bronson: I've done it before, it's just messy.
[05:26] <StevenK> bronson: Requires a second Linux machine, too.
[05:26] <bronson> StevenK:   Messy?  Yikes.  That's a shame.
[05:26] <bronson> Did you write anything up?
[05:27] <TheMuso> StevenK: Ok, filed syncs on ecasound2.2 and ecawave, as the transition has now been done in Debian.
[05:27] <StevenK> Not so much. Mainly because I did it around 3 years ago. :-)
[05:27] <StevenK> TheMuso: Excellent.
[05:27] <bronson> Maybe I should just try to serve the packages off the iso over nfs or something...?
[05:27] <bronson> Bummer.  Owell, thanks for saving me from that dead end.  :)
[05:27] <StevenK> One of those two didn't build, do they both now build?
[05:28] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[05:32] <StevenK> Actually, I was wrong, but that's okay. :-)
[05:38] <TheMuso> Wrong?
[05:39] <StevenK> They both built, from what I can recall.
[05:40] <TheMuso> ah ok
[05:40] <TheMuso> Well they did for me as well, so thats all good.
[05:44] <StevenK> Yay!
[05:46] <Fujitsu> Why do we still have a lot of libapache-mod-* around? Shouldn't those have vanished?
[05:47] <Fujitsu> They make up more than 1/5 of the universe unmetdeps.
[05:49] <StevenK> The problem with that is, all of these bugs have been filed on them in Debian saying, "Fix your package to work with Apache 2 or remove it" and none of them have done anything.
[05:50] <StevenK> I'm loathe to remove 25 libapache-* packages if Debian is going to fix 23 of them, just not right away.
[05:51] <Fujitsu> These are libapache-* source packages.
[05:51] <Fujitsu> Surely they're not likely to be producing apache2 binaries in the near future.
[05:54] <StevenK> Heh, yay!
[05:56] <Fujitsu> Hm, are we going to want an upgrade path from Feisty's beryl?
[05:56] <ScottK> If by 'we' you mean me, then No.
[05:56] <ScottK> ;-)
[05:57] <Fujitsu> I don't see how we can, as it's all very different.
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Hi ScottK.
[05:57] <ScottK> Hi Fujitsu
[06:08] <bharanee> hello
[06:08] <bharanee> ;
[06:11] <Megaqwerty> could anyone point me to a guide for signing .deb files? (For a repository)
[07:43] <man-di> hello persia
[07:43] <persia> Hi man-di
[07:52] <man-di> persia: when two packages need to be synced at the same time, one from main and another from universe, should I subscribe ubuntu-archive to both?
[07:54] <persia> man-di: If it needs to be at exactly the same time, it should be one bug (and remember that you need a developer ACK before subscribing ubuntu-archive).  If the dependency is one-way, two bugs is OK (but one bug may be preferred), but I'd recommend feeding them one at a time.  In general, if you know in advance, I think one bug is better.
[07:54] <StevenK> Download 16Mb. Build fails. Patch. Rinse and repeat.
[07:55] <man-di> persia: hmmm, okay
[07:55] <persia> StevenK: What about local mirroring or using a proxy, or are you just short processor power today?
[07:55] <man-di> persia: I have already two bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ant/+bug/98638 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ow-util-ant-tasks/+bug/124699
[07:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98638 in ant "Upgrade to 1.7.0" [Undecided,New]  
[07:56] <man-di> persia: I think will need doko to ACK this
[07:56] <man-di> persia: thx
[07:57] <persia> man-di: For main, you need a main ACK.  Those who you work with are probably your best choice, but you may get some benefit from the ubuntu-main-sponsors queue.
[07:58] <man-di> persia: you mean subscribing to ubuntu-main-sponsors?
[07:58] <persia> man-di: Just out of curiosity, how does the upgrade to ant affect netbeans?
[07:58] <man-di> persia: it shouldnt
[07:58] <persia> man-di: Right.  I don't know much about their queue processing procedure, but the queue does exist.
[07:59] <man-di> persia: I rebuild nearly all packages which B-D on ant and found only the ow-util-ant-tasks issue
[07:59] <man-di> I dont rebuild openoffice with new ant
[07:59] <persia> man-di: Ah.  Good.  I worry about API changes, but perhaps it was only some interfaces :)
[07:59] <man-di> I found one API change
[08:00] <man-di> which broke ow-util-ant-tasks
[08:00] <man-di> but I have to say I havent tested netbeans
[08:01] <man-di> its not in Debian main yet
[08:01] <man-di> I work with SUN to get it in
[08:04] <StevenK> man-di: Is sear any closer to being uploaded?
[08:06] <man-di> nope, I wait for eris 1.3.12 coming out of NEW and guichan which needs a library transition and maintainer is moving and has no internet access yet
[08:07] <man-di> StevenK: I think I will just do guichan
[08:07] <man-di> I'm his sponsor and he said I can do all I want with this packages
[08:07] <man-di> but I dont like to do work others should do, I have a lot of other tasks
[08:10] <man-di> StevenK: and sear doesnt build in current unstable
[08:41] <man-di> I wonder what to do with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ant/+bug/43973 ? Are bugs in hoary still considered to be fixed?
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43973 in ant "ant 1.6.2-2ubuntu2 has ant version 1.6.5, not 1.6.2" [Medium,New]  
[08:42] <Fujitsu> man-di: No. Hoary has been unsupported for 8 months.
[08:42] <man-di> Fujitsu: then just close the bug?
[08:42] <Fujitsu> man-di: That's right.
[08:42] <man-di> thx Fujitsu 
[08:42] <Fujitsu> np
[08:42] <man-di> as "Invalid"?
[08:43] <Fujitsu> Hm... Hard to say.
[08:43] <Fujitsu> Invalid will do, as it's not a valid complaint for any current version.
[08:43] <man-di> its definitely not Fix Released
[08:43] <man-di> I will use Invalid
[08:43] <Fujitsu> If it had a Hoary distrorelease task, it would be wontfix, but Invalid is correct here.
[08:45] <man-di> where can I find the dates for support for each distro?
[08:48] <Fujitsu> man-di: It's mentioned in the release announcement, and it's not difficult to work out from the version number.
[08:48] <Fujitsu> There's also a table on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29
[08:49] <Fujitsu> But I don't know of an official page giving such information.
[09:37] <RAOF> It's nice and quiet here, so I'll drop in some of my stupidity.  I've re-arranged my keyboard to be dvorak... but my Sid install is on crypt-lvm, and the luks prompt isnt dvorak, and I can't remember querty well enough! :(
[09:38] <TheMuso> haha
[09:38] <TheMuso> Hobbsee!!
[09:38] <Hobbsee> TheMuso!!!
[09:38] <RAOF> Hey Hobbsee, TheMuso :)
[09:39] <RAOF> I wanted to see if I could help do some nouveau testing, but that's trapped behind impenetrable crypto :)
[09:41] <TheMuso> Well that was smart.
[09:41] <RAOF> Absolutely
[09:42] <StevenK> RAOF: I can type out the layout if that helps. :-)
[09:43] <RAOF> Oooh. I probably have a game keyboard cheatsheet somewhere :)
[09:43] <Fujitsu> RAOF: Hahah.
[09:43] <RAOF> :P
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Heh. Why?
[09:51] <Fujitsu> One pixel, hey? A little dangerous.
[09:51] <Hobbsee> StevenK: if you do, i suspect you'll get lumped as teh maintainer
[09:51] <StevenK> Don't wanna!
[09:51] <Fujitsu> !info kwave gutsy
[09:52] <ubotu> kwave: sound editor for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.7-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 2976 kB, installed size 6096 kB
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Ah. KDE. 'nuff said.
[09:52] <StevenK> Hah
[09:52] <StevenK> Hrm.
[09:52] <StevenK> Why can't I ssh into anything?
[09:53] <StevenK> I get SERVICE_ACCEPT, and then nothing.
[09:53] <DarkSun88> Giorno
[09:53] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[09:53] <Fujitsu> StevenK: How long have you waited?
[09:54] <StevenK> Still waiting.
[09:55] <Fujitsu> Hm... Haven't seen it that bad before.
[09:59] <StevenK> connect(4, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/ssh-UJVxkX1674/agent.1674.seahorse"}, 110 <unfinished ...>
[09:59] <StevenK> Ah ha
[10:01] <StevenK> Right, fixed.
[10:07] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> Hmm... dcc 1.3.42-4build1 has been published on all archs but sparc, but the sparc build finished almost 4 hours ago. Is that really normal?
[10:18] <StevenK> Check NEW?
[10:18] <StevenK> Maybe?
[10:18] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I guess that's a possibility that I hadn't thought of.
[10:18] <Fujitsu> No :(
[10:19] <StevenK> Maybe it failed to upload.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Possible.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Is there a history thing like there is for sources?
[10:21] <StevenK> No idea.
[10:21] <persia> Fujitsu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue (and also look at "Accepted")
[10:22] <Fujitsu> persia: I meant a page like that one finds if one browses to http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/somesourcepackage
[10:22] <Fujitsu> gutsy sparc Release: Published version 1.3.42-4build1 in component universe and section mail 3 hours ago
[10:22] <Fujitsu> But it hasn't hit archive.u.c yet :S
[10:23] <persia> Fujitsu: Ah.  I don't know of anything like that.
[10:23] <StevenK> Probably needs someone to dig through logs on drescher.
[10:24] <Fujitsu> There is a (very ugly) publishing history on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/sparc/dcc-common/, it turns out.
[10:24] <Fujitsu> StevenK: That's what I thought. I'll poke someone when I see them.
[10:24] <Fujitsu> Is dak this hungry?
[10:30] <jussi01> morning all!
[10:30] <Fujitsu> Hi jussi01.
[10:31] <jussi01> hey Fujitsu
[02:00] <DktrKranz> could you please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5924? thank you.
[02:04] <persia> Hmmm...  I thought that was supposed to be part of the php-universe package.
[02:11] <mruiz> ping anibal 
[02:41] <ranf> hello
[02:43] <tuxmaniac> Any idea of how much badwidth will be consumed in setting up a pbuilder environment?
[02:43] <geser> Fujitsu: any idea where to look for build logs for ppa?
[02:44] <man-di> tuxmaniac: my pbuilder tarballs are around 100 MB, so when you count on 200 MB per pbuilder you are on the save side
[02:44] <man-di> safe
[02:44] <tuxmaniac> man-di, thanks
[02:45] <TheMuso> Note that yo uwill still need disk space for package building, as well as downloaded dependencies.
[02:45] <ryanakca> hmm... since #debian-devel seems to be dead, can a debian maintainer/dev reupload 'aoeui' please? (It got rejected because the copyright file said "GPLv2 or later" instead of "GPLv2 _only_"...) 
[02:46] <ryanakca> `dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/a/aoeui/aoeui_1.0~alpha5-1.dsc`
[02:46] <Fujitsu> geser: I think you'll have to check the history of the individual buildds, or links in the email.
[02:46] <ranf> Does anybody know where I find a text version of " LDP GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE"? Closest I found is here: http://tldp.org/LDP-COPYRIGHT.html
[02:50] <tuxmaniac> can i create a gutsy pbuilder environment being in Feisty?
[02:50] <ryanakca> tuxmaniac: yes
[02:50] <Fujitsu> tuxmaniac: Yes, but you'll need the Gutsy debootstrap package.
[02:51] <tuxmaniac> because it seems like the debootstrap gutsy package
[02:51] <tuxmaniac> Fujitsu, true. thats exactly the problem
[02:51] <tuxmaniac> :)
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Why not install it?
[02:52] <tuxmaniac> Fujitsu, install gutsy or the debootstrap package for gutsy?
[02:52] <Fujitsu> deboostrap package.
[02:52] <ryanakca> wget http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.0_all.deb && sudo dpkg -i debootstrap_1.0.0_all.deb
[02:52] <tuxmaniac> Fujitsu, how do I do that. by default it downloads the feisty one
[02:53] <ryanakca> tuxmaniac: ^^
[02:53] <tuxmaniac> ryanakca, aah thanks
[02:54] <tuxmaniac> ryanakca, connection refused :-(
[02:54] <ryanakca> tuxmaniac: pick a random server from http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fd%2Fdebootstrap%2Fdebootstrap_1.0.0_all.deb&md5sum=f03872a3ba1fa96f9b46d6cb660aefef&arch=all&type=main
[02:55] <tuxmaniac> ok
[02:56] <ryanakca> and I'll be back in a bit.
[02:56] <StevenK> slomo: libdbus-glib-1-2 depends on libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1) ; to answer your question with what's going on about glib-dbus.
[02:56] <tuxmaniac> it works. pbuilder env is getting created
[02:56] <tuxmaniac> thanks a lot peopkle
[03:26] <tuxmaniac> where does the base.tgz get installed? I am unable to find it in /var/cache/pbuilder
[03:27] <geser> /var/cache/pbuilder should be the right place
[03:27] <geser> did you run pbuilder create ?
[03:27] <tuxmaniac> geser, yes I did
[03:27] <tuxmaniac> it said install successful
[03:28] <tuxmaniac> geser, no. It aborted with an error :S
[03:28] <tuxmaniac> sorry
[03:40] <tuxmaniac> having problems here. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29099/ Any pointers?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: means that gutsy is broken at the moment
[03:41] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: suggest you create a feisty pbuilder, then dist-upgrade that
[03:42] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee, hmmm ok
[03:53] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee, thanks. I did not eveen think that gutsy was broken and was wondering whats wrong with my commands :-) Stupid me!
[03:53] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: :)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: see http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html
[03:54] <tuxmaniac> eeks
[03:58] <Hobbsee> yeah.  that'll be fun to sort out :)
[03:59] <geser> no risk, no fun :)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> geser: how's apt going?
[04:03] <geser> still trying
[04:06] <jussi01> hmmm, can someone tell me how to ssh into a remote machine? ie. me--router--internet--his router (5 machines attatched) -- him ?
[04:06] <Fujitsu> jussi01: You'd need some port-forwarding set up.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: apt breakage
[04:06] <StevenK> jussi01: A port forward on his router.
[04:07] <jussi01> ok, is there a specific port i should use?
[04:08] <minghua> port 22
[04:08] <jussi01> ok, thanks a lot!
[04:08] <minghua> and it's his port 22, not yours
[04:08] <jussi01> yeah :)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: if you're bored, you could always attempt to fix apt into building :P
[04:20] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: At 12:30? I don't think so :P
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: sure!  it's a great time to code
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hi asac 
[04:30] <Kmos> Hobbsee: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/balazar.html -> can you update this one from debian unstable
[04:30] <Kmos> ?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Kmos: can i update it?  as in, sync/merge it?
[04:31] <Kmos> Hobbsee: i need to check first if it can be synced or merged
[04:31] <Kmos> :)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Kmos: indeed.
[04:32] <Kmos> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/b/balazar/balazar_0.3.3.ds1-1/changelog
[04:32] <man-di> Wow. Ubuntu Linux on german TV
[04:33] <Kmos> Hobbsee: i think it can be synced.. i'm right ?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Kmos: why do you think that?
[04:33] <Kmos> i checked http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/balazar/news/20070701T151704Z.html (new version)
[04:33] <Kmos> and http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/b/balazar/balazar_0.3.3.ds1-1/changelog
[04:34] <Kmos> nothing specific related to ubuntu
[04:34] <Hobbsee> correct
[04:34] <Hobbsee> you are right, it is a sync
[04:34] <Kmos> :)
[04:34] <Kmos> i report a bug with it ?
[04:34] <Kmos> or you will handle it now ?
[04:34] <Kmos> without report
[04:34] <Hobbsee> and i can approve it
[04:35] <Hobbsee> however, i can file the bug using requestsync from here, which saves a sponsor from approving it later
[04:35] <Hobbsee> done
[04:36] <Kmos> Hobbsee: nice, thx
[04:36] <Hobbsee> no problem
[04:36] <Kmos> Hobbsee: the command to do it.. if isn't done by you.. it's requestsync balazar feisty ?
[04:36] <Kmos> $ requestsync balazar feisty
[04:36] <Hobbsee> gutsy.  you want to sync it to gutsy.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> and you want to use -s, because you need a sponsor for it
[04:36] <Kmos> :)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> because you're not a MOTU or core dev
[04:37] <Kmos> exactly
[04:37] <Kmos> kmos@bash:~$ requestsync balazar gutsy
[04:37] <Kmos> Traceback (most recent call last):
[04:37] <Kmos>   File "/usr/bin/requestsync", line 52, in <module>
[04:37] <Kmos>     (cur_ver, component) = cur_version_component(srcpkg, release)
[04:37] <minghua> Speaking of sync requests, can a non-core MOTU request a main package sync?
[04:37] <Kmos>   File "/usr/bin/requestsync", line 22, in cur_version_component
[04:37] <Kmos>     raise Exception('apt-cache madison does not contain %s/%s' % (sourcepkg, release))
[04:37] <Kmos> Exception: apt-cache madison does not contain balazar/gutsy
[04:37] <Kmos> minghua: yes
[04:37] <minghua> Kmos: Thanks.
[04:37] <Kmos> i've updated gqview that's in main
[04:37] <Hobbsee> minghua: sure
[04:37] <Kmos> and asked a motu for upload
[04:37] <Hobbsee> minghua: you may want ot use -s though
[04:37] <Kmos> sponsor :)
[04:38] <Fujitsu> minghua: Not wihout sponsorship.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Kmos: is ubuntu-main-sponsors subscribed to the bug?
[04:38] <minghua> Ah, I meant to ask "request without sponsor".
[04:38] <Hobbsee> minghua: not usually
[04:38] <minghua> Thanks guys, especially Fujitsu for guessing what I really meant. :-)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> minghua: i mean, they *might* accept it, if you're known to work a lot in that area, and so they take it that you know what you're doing.  but in teh general case, no
[04:39] <Kmos> bug 124744
[04:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124744 in balazar "Please sync balazar (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124744
[04:39] <Kmos> Hobbsee: it's ubuntu-archive
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Kmos: ...ENOCONTEXT
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Kmos: which bug are you talking about, w.r.t ubuntu-archive?
[04:40] <Kmos> i think you talk about balazar
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Kmos: that balazar sync is correct.  that has ubuntu-archive subscribed.
[04:40] <Kmos> ok
[04:40] <Kmos> so what are you talking about ? =)
[04:41] <Kmos> gqview is already release
[04:41] <Kmos> the package i've done some time ago
[04:41] <Hobbsee> ah right.  the way you said it, you made it seem as if it was waiting for upload
[04:42] <Kmos> :-)
[04:42] <Kmos> geser has done it
[04:42] <Kmos> Hobbsee: bug 115578
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115578 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Gfreqlet" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115578
[04:42] <Kmos> now i need this one..
[04:43] <Hobbsee> then it clearly wasnt for main...
[04:43] <Kmos> this one is for universe :)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> you just said it was in main.... "i've updated gqview that's in main'
[04:44] <Kmos> i've updated the package :) hehe
[04:45] <Kmos> i'm not an ubuntu/motu member, so i can't do nothing
[04:45] <Kmos> =)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> oh, so locally or something.  right.
[04:45] <DarkMageZ> double negative equals a positive. so you can do something.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh wait.  you have updated it, and gqview even *is* in main.  but i'm betting that geser didnt sponsor it.
[04:46] <Kmos> Hobbsee: geser is my sponsor.. but for that one i can't remember
[04:47] <Kmos> if keescock or crimsun upload it
[04:47] <Kmos> but geser checked it
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[04:47] <StevenK> crimsun uploaded it
[04:47] <Kmos> =)
[04:49] <Kmos> StevenK: want something to do ? bug 121858
[04:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121858 in squeak-vm "Please upgrade to new upstream version 3.9" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121858
[04:49] <Kmos> hehe
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Kmos: you should probably ask ogra first about that one, before you touch it
[04:50] <Hobbsee> seeing as he's in ubuntu, and he's listed as the maintainer
[04:50] <Kmos> Hobbsee: he's subscribed to the bug for that
[04:50] <Hobbsee> true
[04:51] <Kmos> i've done it =)
[04:51] <StevenK> Kmos: I'm already doing something, kthxbye
[04:51] <Kmos> so i wont touch it
[04:51] <Kmos> StevenK :)
[04:52] <superm1> it is legal to ship a file in /etc/mysql/conf.d that will override settings in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, correct?
[04:57] <sacater> can I please speak to a planet ubuntu savv
[04:57] <sacater> savvy*
[04:57] <Hobbsee> !ask
[04:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:14] <sacater> Hobbsee: k
[05:14] <sacater> I want to speak to a planet ubuntu savvy
[05:14] <Hobbsee> that's not a question
[05:14] <Hobbsee> !someone
[05:14] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:18] <sacater> is there a planet ubuntu savvy here
[05:18] <Hobbsee> you dont appaer to get it...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> sacater: the answer to that will depend on how savvy they need to be to answer your, as yet, unknown question.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> so, on balance, no there isnt.
[05:19] <Nafallo> sacater: why don't you just ask your question instead of asking if someone is able to answer what you haven't asked? :-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mmm...sometime
[05:20] <minghua> IIRC sacater asked earlier here about he/she not being able to put his/her RSS feed onto planet ubuntu.
[05:20] <minghua> Not sure if it's still the same problem though.
[05:23] <pochu> !planet
[05:23] <ubotu> Planet Ubuntu (blogs of Ubuntu developers and members) can be found at http://planet.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <sacater> right
[05:24] <sacater> here is the problem
[05:24] <pochu> sacater: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[05:24] <pochu> It's a nice tutorial to add yourself :)
[05:24] <sacater> I have done everything that guide says, and yet my blog posts are not showing on planet ubuntu
[05:24] <sacater> and when you hilight my name down the side
[05:24] <sacater> my feed is linked okay
[05:25] <sacater> but my 'name' is not
[05:25] <pochu> No, it's not.
[05:25] <pochu> sacater: the link is http://sacater.codewiz.net/?cat=3, but it should be a feed.
[05:25] <pochu> e.g. rss, atom...
[05:27] <pochu> sacater: http://sacater.codewiz.net/?cat=3&feed=rss2
[05:27] <pochu> I think that's the good one.
[05:27] <pochu> Which will just show up the posts in the Ubuntu category.
[05:29] <sacater> aha
[05:29] <sacater> didnt realise I could get an rss feed for that particular section
[05:30] <pochu> That's what everybody should have.
[05:30] <sacater> pochu: so if I change cat=3 to cat-3&feed=rss2 might it work?
[05:30] <pochu> cat=3&feed=rss2, yes
[05:30] <sacater> k
[05:30] <pochu> sacater: just try it in a feed reader, e.g. liferea
[05:30] <sacater> let me try changing it
[05:31] <pochu> And you will see whether it works or not :)
[05:31] <pochu> If it works on a feed reader, will work in planet.u.c too.
[05:32] <pochu> And everybody should just feed the Ubuntu entries. I don't think most people care if you have a new dog or things like that...
[05:32] <Nafallo> pochu++
[05:32] <vijay2000> Hi all 
[05:32] <vijay2000> can anybody help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29106/
[05:33] <pochu> Or even worse, if you write in [your_LOCALE] , which 95% of us don't understand (unless it's german, since a lot of developers here seem to be german hehe)
[05:33] <minghua> I would feed ubuntu and debian entries if I have a English blog...
[05:34] <pochu> you can just create a 'Planet Ubuntu' and a 'Planet Debian' categories, and feed them.
[05:34] <superm1>  vijay2000, perhaps add libglut3-dev to build-deps
[05:34] <pochu> As sacater is just doing :)
[05:35] <minghua> Nah, creating categories is not the problem; finding interesting things to write about is the problem. :-)
[05:36] <pochu> :)
[05:43] <sacater> pochu: right I think I have done it
[05:46] <sacater> pochu: ill give it a while to update
[05:49] <sacater> YAYS
[05:49] <sacater> it worked!
[05:49] <sacater> now to make a blog post..
[05:57] <pochu> sacater: cool
[05:57] <pochu> and nice that you've added just the Ubuntu category :)
[06:03] <sacater> pochu: :D
[06:03] <sacater> pochu: its spelt hugs btw
[06:03] <sacater> :P
[06:04] <pochu> Oh, right.
[06:04] <pochu> Thanks for it, I really appreciate it! :)
[06:11] <sacater> :P
[06:25] <jekil> hello
[06:26] <jekil> anyone please can review my obextool? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5896
[06:38] <slomo> StevenK: you must use debian's dbus-glib :P Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.13.5)
[07:09] <StevenK> slomo: Ah. I'll look at merging dbus-glib, then.
[07:09] <slomo> StevenK: merging?
[07:10] <StevenK> Um, actually dbus-glib in Ubuntu and Debian are the same version...
[07:10] <StevenK> Maybe it needs a rebuild.
[07:11] <slomo> i have no idea where your dbus 1.1 dependency comes from, it's not in the archive
[07:18] <StevenK> slomo: This is strange...
[07:18] <StevenK> slomo: Before I install it:
[07:18] <StevenK> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.13.5)
[07:18] <slomo> yes... the debian binary depends on dbus 1.1 though
[07:19] <StevenK> And then after:
[07:19] <StevenK> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.9)
[07:19] <slomo> nice
[07:19] <slomo> the latter can't be built on our buildds
[07:20] <StevenK> But what causes Depends to change on install?!
[07:20] <slomo> we never had glib << 2.13 at the time dbus-glib 0.74 was uploaded
[07:20] <slomo> no idea
[07:21] <StevenK> slomo: Can you reproduce?
[07:21] <slomo> no
[07:21] <StevenK> Hrm. I think I know what's going on.
[07:22] <StevenK> slomo: Hand that dunce cap over there, will you? :-)
[07:23] <vijay2000> Hi can anybody help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29124/
[07:24] <vijay2000> how do i get libqalculate-dev (>= 0.9.4)
[07:24] <vijay2000> my current version is libqalculate-dev (>= 0.9.4)
[07:24] <vijay2000> sorry 0.9.2-1
[07:25] <geser> is that a dapper pbuilder?
[07:25] <man-di> vijay2000: use something more recent than dapper
[07:25] <StevenK> slomo: Thanks for your help.
[07:25] <vijay2000> geser: yes it is a dapper builder
[07:26] <slomo> StevenK: np ;)
[07:26] <vijay2000> man-di: Thanks 
[07:26] <geser> then you need to fix the versioned build-depends for this package and see if it builds on dapper
[07:27] <vijay2000> geser: Shall try it out .. thanks for you help 
[07:45] <jikanter> if I fix a bug in a package, I am not 100% clear on what to do after that. I ran debdiff on the package. Should I now build and upload to review? Could someone steer me in the correct direction?
[07:45] <jikanter> sorry, revu
[07:45] <Hobbsee> jikanter: attach the debdiff to the bug, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[07:46] <minghua> jikanter: no need to upload to REVU, just attach the debdiff
[07:46] <jikanter> cool, thanks Hobsee, mingua I appreciate it.
[07:46] <minghua> Hobbsee is always faster :-(
[07:46] <Hobbsee> minghua: not always
[07:47] <StevenK> Yeah, but Christian Edition makes it sound like we're all going to hell.
[07:48] <Q-FUNK> shiver at the thought of remixing Christianity.
[07:49] <jussi01> Hmmm, how do i check if a package is synced or native (tremulous-server)?
[07:49] <Q-FUNK> the version
[07:57] <ScottK> jekil: Did you build your package in a Gutsy pbuilder?  Did it build?  Was the resulting binary lintian/linda clean?
[07:58] <jekil> ScottK: i build it in a feisty pbuilder
[07:59] <ScottK> jekil: You ought to make (by dist-upgrading) a Gutsy pbuilder and test it in that environment.
[07:59] <StevenK> Ugh.
[07:59] <jekil> ScottK: ok, thansk
[07:59] <ScottK> StevenK: Doesn't that line belong to TheMuso?
[07:59] <StevenK> I stole it fair and square, since he's sleeping.
[08:01] <ScottK> Ah.  No problem then.
[08:25] <siretart> slomo: around?
[08:26] <siretart> slomo: I see a new version of seahorse has been uploaded?
[08:41] <icf7> How do I add a "repository" (like "universe", "multiverse" etc.) to an already installed pbuilder? I tried pbuilder update with a config file specifying COMPONENTS="..", but that doesn't seem to have any effect
[08:43] <Biagi> http://biagi.miniville.fr/env
[08:44] <geser> icf7: --override-config when you update your pbuilder should do it
[08:45] <slomo> siretart: yes
[08:45] <icf7> geser: Thanks, I should rtfm next time.
[08:45] <siretart> slomo: to what conclusion did you come regarding the agents? should both be run by default on user login?
[08:46] <slomo> siretart: until there's a better solution (like gnome-session integration) yes
[08:46] <ryanakca> what would be the appropriate version for aoeui 1.0, alpha5? I've been recommended 1.0-1~alpha5.0, so that 1.0-1 is higher, but that causes the problem of naming the .orig.tar.gz...
[08:47] <slomo> at least it will work fine now in all cases, no matter what is running or installed
[08:57] <siretart> slomo: :(
[08:57] <siretart> this means that we always get undefined behavior if both are installed
[09:01] <astronouth7303> when I'm writing my debian control file, is it ok to require any version of a package but then recommend a newer version?
[09:13] <ScottK> astronouth7303: What would be the point?  Unless somebody is holding things back for a reason they will have the newest version they have available.
[09:13] <astronouth7303> debian stable doesn't have python-gtk2 2.10
[09:14] <astronouth7303> and I can code around it
[09:14] <astronouth7303> so I require any version of python-gtk2, but I recommend python-gtk2 >= 2.10
[09:15] <man-di> astronouth7303: what will a user gain if he/she installs a newer version? Will the programm show additional features?
[09:15] <astronouth7303> yes
[09:15] <astronouth7303> StatusIcon
[09:15] <astronouth7303> which is the systray icon
[09:16] <man-di> astronouth7303: but it fully works with the older verions dont supporting systray icon?
[09:16] <astronouth7303> yeah
[09:17] <man-di> then I would just depend on the minimal version
[09:17] <man-di> most people will use the version provided by their distro anyway
[09:17] <astronouth7303> ok
[09:18] <astronouth7303> I just wanted to make sure that it wouldn't freak out the various package managers
[09:32] <ScottK> FYI, MOTU FAQ appears to have lost some info when revised recently.  If you have time, you might want to have a look and see if stuff needs to be added back.
[09:33] <bluekuja> ScottK, thanks for your comment on the list, I think I gonna add a point for that for next motu meeting
[09:33] <bluekuja> ScottK, trying to find a common rule for everyone
[09:36] <bluekuja> (I hope I will be available for that hour, if work will let me^^)
[10:42] <cbx33> anyone here got the nokia n800?
[10:59] <slavik> what is a good place to ask for backports?
[10:59] <Lamego> what package do you like to see backported? 
[11:00] <Lamego> would you
[11:00] <slavik> pidgin 2.0.2
[11:00] <slavik> or the upcomming 2.1.0 :)
[11:00] <Lamego> i have an unoffical backport :P
[11:01] <slavik> Lamego: getdeb.net doesn't count :P
[11:01] <Lamego> why not ?
[11:02] <slavik> because they don't :P
[11:02] <Lamego> well, ok, I like that justification for someone who lost some time building it :)
[11:04] <Lamego> lost = spent
[11:07] <sacater> hey, who should I talk to if I want to start a launchpad 'Q+A Day'
[11:07] <TheMuso> Heya folks.
[11:11] <minghua> slavik: I don't know if the page is up-to-date or not, but it has a lot of pointers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportRequestProcess
[11:11] <minghua> hello there TheMuso
[11:12] <cbx33> hey TheMuso 
[11:12] <cbx33> howz it going
[11:12] <TheMuso> cbx33: Vey well thanks. Yourself?
[11:12] <cbx33> yeh good
[11:12] <cbx33> hopefully placing an order for a nokia n800
[11:12] <cbx33> pretty excited
[11:14] <TheMuso> I'll bet.
[11:25] <sacater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QADays
[11:27] <RainCT> sacater: nice idea :)
[11:27] <sacater> RainCT: thank ye
[11:27] <sacater> RainCT: like it says
[11:27] <sacater> RainCT: add your name if you are interested
[11:28] <RainCT> sacater: I'd, but I don't think I could answer much...
[11:30] <sacater> RainCT: its not hard
[11:31] <sacater> there are over 9000 questions
[11:31] <sacater> there must be a few you can do RainCT 
[11:32] <RainCT> :p
[11:32] <RainCT> sacater: well, will try then
[11:33] <sacater> RainCT: add your name :D
[11:33] <RainCT> sacater: already done ;)
[11:33] <sacater> RainCT: promote it around a bit for me :D
[11:34] <RainCT> sacater: but I want you to digg http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/QtTube... lool
[11:35] <sacater> RainCT: looking
[11:35] <RainCT> sacater: (just joking :P, well but would be nice :)). will tell about it on the Catalan LoCo meeting (running now) later :)
[11:36] <sacater> RainCT: k
[11:36] <sacater> RainCT: im adding a few more feilds
[11:42] <RainCT> sacater: the table was broken, repaired it :P
[11:43] <sacater> RainCT: ty
[11:43] <sacater> RainCT: add your details on the extra tables :P
[11:51] <RainCT> good night
[11:56] <ryanakca> hmm... I have a build machine (192.168.1.101) so that pbuilder doesn't slow up my desktop... I have ssh keys set up, any way to dput my sources to 192.168.1.101, instead of having to open up SFTP?
[11:59] <minghua> ryanakca: what is the problem of using sftp?
[12:00] <ryanakca> minghua: I'm lazy... :) In fact, I'm kindof interested in setting up a build daemon so that the whole process is automated for me :)
[12:00] <ryanakca> And, just for the fun of it... a challenge (so I hope)
[12:01] <minghua> Setting up buildd is not for lazy people AFAIK. :-)
[12:01] <ryanakca> meh, It's a challenge :)