[12:55] <SeveredCross> tretle: Nope, not Jason Mewes, sorry to dissapoint.
[12:55] <SeveredCross> Don't even know who Jason Mewes is.
[01:03] <teratoma> i tried to install synaptic and i get this error:
[01:03] <teratoma> synaptic: Depends: libapt-inst-libc6.5-6-1.1 but it is not installable
[01:03] <teratoma> what did i do wrong ?
[01:06] <tretle> SeveredCross: http://uwadmnweb.uwyo.edu/concerts/images/jay%20and%20silent%20bob.jpg
[01:06] <SeveredCross> teratoma: Nothing.
[01:06] <SeveredCross> The apt package is broken.
[01:06] <SeveredCross> No, but I may have picked up that habit from seeing him in movies.
[01:07] <teratoma> a fixed version will eventually appear?
[01:07] <SeveredCross> Yes.
[01:07] <SeveredCross> It's uploaded to be built into launchpad, Hobbsee uploaded it earlier, just nobody's built it.
[01:07] <SeveredCross> I think OO.org is there for build, and that bloody piece of junk takes ages to build.
[01:07] <SeveredCross> So apt is waiting.
[01:07] <SeveredCross> dist-upgrade removed my Synaptic and shtuff, heh
[01:08] <teratoma> yeah.  good thing no one uses apt and synaptic
[01:09] <thompa> !upgrade
[01:09] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:11] <SeveredCross> LOL.
[01:11] <SeveredCross> Yeah, apt is a bit broken.
[01:11] <SeveredCross> No worries, it'll get fixed soon, just keep doing apt-get upgrade :)
[01:12] <SeveredCross> You can monitor this page too: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/0.7.2ubuntu6
[01:15] <stuporglu1> Anyone else installed Gutsy on a Macbook? I wanted to confirm a minor problem with the installer.
[01:16] <tretle> if its the partitioner its a known bug
[01:16] <stuporglu1> Yeah, it would hang after making changes, but when I used gparted to delete the partitions, then said to use existing free space, it worked fine.
[01:17] <tretle> yeah
[01:17] <tretle> same with every system
[01:18] <tretle> the partitioner in the installer has craped out :D
[01:18] <stuporglu1> ah, ok. Is there  a bug for it on launchpad? I couldn't find it...I'm pretty new to launchpad
[01:18] <tretle> as far as i know it was asvertised as one of the known bugs when tribe 2 was released
[01:18] <stuporglu1> ok
[01:19] <tretle> asvertised = advertised
[01:19] <tretle> should be fixed in tribe 3 hopefully
[01:20] <stuporglu1> Sounds good.
[01:20] <tretle> does indeed
[01:20] <tretle> :)
[01:51] <MugginsM> hrm, my attempts to get gutsy talking to a projector on my laptop have left me with main screen at 640x480 :(
[02:11] <h1st0> Are there any specs planned for adding compiz fusion to gusty?
[02:11] <RAOF> Yes, it's already there
[02:12] <RAOF> compiz-fusion-plugins-*
[02:16] <h1st0> By default?
[02:16] <h1st0> Like the desktop effects package?
[02:23] <RoC_MasterMind> Yes it's installed by default and will enable itself if your graphics card has 3d out of the box
[02:24] <RoC_MasterMind> oh
[02:24] <RoC_MasterMind> I noticed on gutsty....I opened the update manager...it had a lot of updates...but strangely the ones for apt were unchecked..why?
[02:24] <RAOF> Dependency problems
[02:25] <RoC_MasterMind> Interesting.
[02:25] <MugginsM> libcurl3 and 4 are having fights, and lots of other packages are getting dragged into it
[02:25] <MugginsM> basically
[02:25] <RAOF> You can install those upgrades, but you lose aptitude, apport, ubuntu-desktop, etc :)
[02:25] <RoC_MasterMind> I see.
[02:25] <RoC_MasterMind> Yay!
[02:25] <RoC_MasterMind> That's the breakage I heard about..interesting that it makes them unchecked.
[02:25] <RAOF> Actually, its a libapt problem, isnt it?
[02:28] <tretle> so does that mean that after the libcurl4 package is uploaded then other packages will install correctly?
[02:31] <tretle> hmmmmmmmmm.......200 cadbury's cream eggs :D
[03:11] <Karark|away> opensource ATI drivers have seemed to improve :D
[03:11] <tretle> new release?
[03:11] <Karark|away> from 7.04
[03:11] <Karark|away> just got my gutsy going
[03:12] <tretle> yeah... going to reinstall fresh now after I finish a few things up
[03:13] <Karark|away> i've yet to run into a bug in the 45min i've been up
[03:13] <Karark|away> anything i should watch out for?
[03:13] <tretle> think doing an upgrade broke more things then a fresh install, well from my experience with a fresh install more things seemed to work
[03:13] <tretle> well, i think my gutsy is broken for a reason
[03:14] <Karark|away> yea, i've still got 7.04 on another HDD, but doubt i'll go back to it
[03:14] <tretle> the upgrade crashed
[03:14] <Karark|away> damn
[03:14] <Karark|away> mine just updated smoothly
[03:14] <tretle> do u use gimmie
[03:14] <tretle> ?
[03:14] <Karark|away> no
[03:14] <Karark|away> never heard of it
[03:15] <tretle> hmmmm........ on the gimmie discussion I cant find any posts about gutsy
[03:15] <tretle> I installed it from the gutsy repo's
[03:15] <tretle> but it crashes on startup
[03:16] <Karark|away> hmm
[03:16] <tretle> http://www.beatniksoftware.com/gimmie/Main_Page
[03:16] <tretle> it might be included in gnome 3.0
[03:17] <Karark|away> looks neat
[03:17] <Karark|away> might have to give it a shot
[03:18] <tretle> tell me how it goes
[03:18] <tretle> i dont want to submit a bug without first finding out whether its actually a bug or not
[03:18] <tretle> :)
[03:19] <Karark|away> heh, right
[03:19] <Karark|away> crashes here, too
[03:20] <tretle> crud
[03:20] <tretle> :(
[03:20] <Karark|away> when running in term i get... ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gimmie[18074] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[03:20] <tretle> reporting it so
[03:20] <Karark|away> i will too
[03:21] <tretle> getting that same problem on a vast amount of applications
[03:21] <tretle> jokosher being another one
[03:21] <Karark|away> filing with gnome or ubuntu?
[03:22] <tretle> just use the bug reporting tool
[03:22] <Karark|away> right, i did, went to gnome
[03:23] <tretle> bugzilla
[03:23] <tretle> :D
[03:23] <Karark|away> i wonder if getting my svideo out is gonna be a pain
[03:28] <RAOF> that GSlice thing actually happens for all glib apps, and is (I believe) a harmless bug in glib.
[03:29] <tretle> RAOF: is there a link you could give me to the info on the bug
[03:30] <tretle> or who is assigned, how long its been there, when its likely to be fixed?
[03:30] <RAOF> No, sorry.  I'd imagine it'd be fairly prominant in the libglib2 buglist, though :)
[03:33] <RoC_MasterMind> oh
[03:33] <RoC_MasterMind> anybody with Broadcom 4318 WLAN tried to use the restricted driver manager to install firmware and activate card?  Crashes everytime for me
[03:34] <tretle> RAOF: that bug was reported in may :(
[03:39] <FunnyLookinHat> How much of KDE4 (or its applications) are available in Kubuntu Gutsy right now for testing (if not installed by default)?
[03:39] <lamalex> RoC_MasterMind: I have a bcm4311, restricted firmware cutter worked perfectly for me
[03:41] <RoC_MasterMind> I have not yet installed all the updates since Tribe 2
[03:55] <tretle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/116870
[03:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116870 in glib2.0 "[gutsy]  GSlice: g_thread_init() Warning messages" [High,Confirmed] 
[03:55] <Karark|away> damn, my firefox is broken :(
[03:56] <Karark|away> keeps telling me the process is already running,  kill it or reboot
[03:56] <Karark|away> it's not there to kill and reboot doesn't fix it, reinstall doesn't either
[03:57] <tretle> strange
[03:58] <RoC_MasterMind> Karark|away, rm ~/.mozilla/firefox/*default/lock
[03:59] <Karark|away> no dice
[03:59] <Karark|away> doesn't exist
[03:59] <Karark|away> deleting entire firefox folder works, though
[04:00] <tretle> ps aux | grep lighttpd
[04:02] <tretle> sorry
[04:02] <tretle> type  ps aux  to get a preocess list
[04:02] <tretle> and then kill the firefox process
[04:02] <Karark|away> i ran top and didn't see it
[04:03] <Karark|away> ran killall firefox-bin as well
[04:03] <Karark|away> but i've got it now
[04:04] <tretle> cool
[04:04] <tretle> why didnt they just call the preocess firefox :(
[04:04] <Karark|away> no clue
[04:04] <tretle> lol
[04:04] <tretle> pidgin did it :D
[04:08] <tretle> found it
[04:08] <tretle> /usr/lib/firefo
[05:25] <thompa> tzdata is a problem in an upgrade 64 bit but it works its way out
[05:25] <thompa> the easy fix was to just remove it and then upgrade
[05:26] <thompa> I think this was a syanptics error. macbook is working better than osx on the other hand
[05:44] <ubuntu_> waddup
[05:47] <masterlooki_> ok the thing about the installer thingie is to kil the umbiq or whatever processes and restart?
[05:53] <masterlooki_> argh
[05:53] <masterlooki_> comon guyz
[05:54] <masterlooki_> !stall
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <RAOF> masterlooki_: What is your question?
[05:55] <masterlooki_> um
[05:55] <masterlooki_> intel 2.8ghz 2gigs ram 9200 ati
[05:55] <masterlooki_> 2 hdd's both ide
[05:55] <masterlooki_> need to setup swap 2 roots home and a win partition
[05:56] <masterlooki_> 2gig swap 6 gig each root and 12 gig win and rest home
[05:56] <masterlooki_> 60 gig primary hdd im putting those 5 partitions on
[05:56] <RAOF> Right.  Ok.
[05:56] <masterlooki_> and ubiquity or w/e stalls on man partitioning
[05:56] <masterlooki_> whats the command?
[05:56] <RAOF> Aaah
[05:56] <Karark|away> swapmake and swapon?
[05:56] <masterlooki_> i killed it and ran as root [sudo su >>> ubwhatever] 
[05:57] <RAOF> Of course, you could just use the alternate installer disc
[05:57] <masterlooki_> gah sorry
[05:57] <masterlooki_> but i already got this one.. and i know theres a command - had to on my other co mpy
[05:57] <pimp31415> gah this is my roomates compy
[05:58] <pimp31415> upgraded him from edgy to feisty with no effect - flash and mplayer sound broken suggested edgy + gutsy installs lol
[05:58] <pimp31415> gutsy to play edgy for normal windows he must have for his work.
[05:58] <pimp31415> sound professional and nix tools just dont cut it atm - and dont support his aud card yet unfortunately
[05:58] <pimp31415> so: if your here all the time grep logs for same thing its rather common i think
[05:59] <RAOF> pimp31415: sudo killall ubiquity; sudo ubiquity
[05:59] <pimp31415> gah
[05:59] <pimp31415> i think there was a flag between the sudo and ubiquity
[05:59] <pimp31415> -c ?
[06:00] <RAOF> That's copied directly from the release announcement
[06:00] <pimp31415> guess that would have been a sudo flag so woudlnt matter
[06:00] <pimp31415> i did sudo su
[06:00] <pimp31415> so i can run ubiquity as just that  lol
[06:00] <RAOF> Should also work, I think.
[06:04] <pimp31415> ah
[06:04] <pimp31415> just random crash last time working now
[06:04] <pimp31415> i think
[06:08] <pimp31415> yeah   looks good
[06:08] <pimp31415> thanx RAOF :)
[06:48] <mloki> gah
[06:48] <mloki> network manager crashed?
[06:54] <mloki> why does /etc/network/interfaces have so many interfaces that jus tdont exist!
[06:54] <Karark|away> just to toy with you!
[06:54] <Karark|away> ;)
[06:54] <mloki> lol
[06:54] <mloki> how about w32codecs
[06:55] <Karark|away> what about em?
[06:55] <FunnyLookinHat> i <3 w32codecs
[06:55] <FunnyLookinHat> ; )
[06:55] <mloki> i need em?
[06:55] <mloki> totem playing something but no vid output
[06:55] <mloki> i can only guess its that
[06:55] <Karark|away> trying to play a file should bring up a DL dialog for it
[06:56] <Karark|away> ah
[06:56] <Karark|away> hmm
[06:56] <Karark|away> what kinda file?
[06:56] <mloki> xvid
[06:56] <mloki> worx in mplayer
[06:57] <Karark|away> don't use totem? :D
[06:57] <RAOF> mloki: Nah.  You really only need w32codecs for realplayer support now
[06:57] <mloki> Karark|away, thats unacceptable as broken as totem is.
[06:57] <mloki> RAOF, the idea is to play anything.
[06:57] <mloki> how about this:
[06:57] <Karark|away> i haven't tried any xvids yet, just got gusty installed a couple hours ago
[06:57] <mloki> i can get one of the devs of cccp-project to come by and maintain something like w32codecs i bet
[06:58] <mloki> nice Karark|away very nice and smooth from here once umbiquity worked lol
[06:58] <mloki> ty again btw RAOF
[06:58] <RAOF> mloki: No, you cant.  w32codecs is a licence violation
[06:58] <Karark|away> my xvids are playing in totem
[06:58] <mloki> RAOF, no its not.
[06:58] <mloki> i legally own and have installed windows.
[06:58] <mloki> i have all liscenses i need.
[06:59] <Karark|away> anyone noticing firefox hitting 100% cpu when loading a page for a second
[06:59] <RAOF> Violates the end-user agreement for windows
[06:59] <Karark|away> a mini lag
[06:59] <mloki> Karark|away, yeah
[06:59] <mloki> RAOF, my decision
[06:59] <RAOF> Whether or not that's a valid contract is less certain :)
[07:00] <mloki> id be willing to go to court.
[07:00] <mloki> ogawd
[07:00] <mloki> there we go again
[07:00] <RAOF> But Ubuntu certainly can't distribute them.
[07:01] <mloki> i didnt ask them to
[07:01] <mloki> i asked what about w32codecs
[07:01] <mloki> those were never ubuntu distrobuted
[07:01] <RAOF> Ah.  Well, totem can use them?
[07:01] <Karark|away> it works here
[07:01] <mloki> right
[07:02] <Karark|away> ffmpeg ugly, i think
[07:02] <RAOF> Just install gstreamer0.10-* :)
[07:02] <mloki> so basically i need to just grab and install manually
[07:02] <Karark|away> will look real quick
[07:02] <mloki> the point being
[07:02] <mloki> no RAOF
[07:02] <mloki> gstreamer is crap.
[07:02] <RAOF> !mediabuntu
[07:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediabuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:02] <RAOF> !medibuntu
[07:02] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[07:02] <mloki> yes
[07:02] <mloki> exactly
[07:02] <mloki> i'm needing to know about changing it to gutsy
[07:02] <mloki> doesnt seem to work
[07:02] <mloki> so just use feisty settings on that for now?
[07:03] <Karark|away> GStreamer plugins for aac, xvid, mpeg2, faad
[07:03] <Karark|away> GStreamer plugins from the "bad" set (Multiverse Variant)
[07:03] <RAOF> mloki: Yeah, I suppose.  And gstreamer rocks :L
[07:03] <Karark|away> using gusty repos
[07:03] <mloki> RAOF, if it rocked i would not have a black screen when playing the vid
[07:04] <RAOF> Well, you probably don't have the codec installed.  You can't blame gst for that :)
[07:05] <mloki> can't blam gstreamer for not having what installed?
[07:05] <mloki> o wait
[07:05] <mloki> i was asking about a CODECS PACKAGE
[07:05] <mloki> sit back and think about that for a second.
[07:05] <mloki> i'm not trying to flam
[07:05] <Karark|away> i just told you what package to use
[07:05] <pimp31415> Karark|away, i installed the restricted package with aptitude
[07:06] <pimp31415> it brought all those in by default
[07:06] <pimp31415> :
[07:06] <pimp31415> :))
[07:06] <pimp31415> and it still doesnt show vid
[07:06] <Karark|away> bummer
[07:07] <pimp31415> quite broken - when i minimize totem and reunminimize it shows single frame and then goes blank
[07:07] <RAOF> Ah.  That is a problem.  Using desktop-effects?
[07:07] <pimp31415> no i dont think so lets douible check
[07:07] <pimp31415> i would so love to be wrong :)
[07:07] <pimp31415> user error is much better than distro hell lol
[07:08] <pimp31415> aahh
[07:08] <RAOF> :L
[07:08] <pimp31415> you, sir get a cookie
[07:08] <Karark|away> great
[07:08] <pimp31415> now what would compiz.real have to do with that,,,,,
[07:08] <pimp31415> lets fix it for beryl and see what we can do.
[07:08] <pimp31415>   emerald-themes: Depends: emerald (>= 0.1) but it is not installable
[07:08] <pimp31415> hi Hobbsee ^^
[07:08] <RAOF> You have run into the "ati drivers hate Xv + compiz" bug
[07:08] <pimp31415> gotcha
[07:09] <Hobbsee> hi pimp31415
[07:09] <pimp31415> how u holdin down the fort with your bad self
[07:09] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: your point?  :)
[07:09] <Hobbsee> i'm waiting on someone to unbreak soyuz, so apt actually gets built.
[07:09] <pimp31415> btw scroll up a few hours someone tried to compile apt and couldnt get it to checkinstall
[07:09] <pimp31415> ha i knew it was something lol
[07:09] <Hobbsee> bft
[07:09] <Hobbsee> *pft
[07:09] <pimp31415> any way to force emerald-themes in?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> checkinstall dies over anything complicated - like, multiple binaries
[07:10] <pimp31415> lol
[07:10] <pimp31415> if i were actually decent i would learn how to make uninstall
[07:10] <pimp31415> or whatever it is
[07:10] <pimp31415> lol
[07:10] <Hobbsee> i'd be more worried if it *did* build
[07:11] <Hobbsee> because it would probably kill his system
[07:13] <pimp31415> it was installable 3 days ago?
[07:13] <pimp31415> 5?
[07:13] <pimp31415> and i did an apt-clean >_<
[07:13] <Hobbsee> RAOF: someone broke it
[07:13] <RAOF> Yay!
[07:13] <Hobbsee> RAOF: because emerald doesnt atually exist anymore
[07:14] <Hobbsee> due to the merge, and such
[07:14] <Hobbsee> RAOF: if there isnt one already, please file a bug on removing emerald-themes
[07:14] <RAOF> Not quite true, sadly
[07:14] <Hobbsee> well, the ubuntu package
[07:14] <RAOF> Really we should package the new emerald, I suppose
[07:14] <pimp31415> ok now lets try the desktop effects with extra effects
[07:15] <pimp31415> btw excellent install on the gutsy overall
[07:15] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i'd prefer not to see that stuff go thru :P
[07:15] <Hobbsee> pity mvo is on leave
[07:16] <pimp31415> well extra effects with desktop effects works by default on radeon 9200
[07:16] <pimp31415> i wonder if i could get dual mons with that working
[07:16] <pimp31415> my roomate would LOVE it
[07:16] <RAOF> Hobbsee: For cc-s
[07:16] <RAOF> ?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i think so, yeah
[07:16] <RAOF> pimp31415: I believe so, yes
[07:16] <pimp31415> and as for emerald how about have it be a placeholder package like so many others that just makes sure the latest emerald-themes is in
[07:17] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Cool.  I can't wait for an actually usable settings manager :P
[07:17] <Karark|away> pimp31415, what do you use for dual monitors?
[07:17] <pimp31415> RAOF, theoretically yes in edgy/feisty/dapper but really no but hey lets see what we can do here :)
[07:17] <pimp31415> Karark|away, radeon 9200 128MB card with dual lcd's
[07:17] <Karark|away> i had a hell of a time getting svideo and my monitor working nicely on feisty
[07:17] <pimp31415> vga outs
[07:17] <Karark|away> software wise
[07:17] <Karark|away> bigscreen?
[07:18] <Karark|away> FBmerge?
[07:18] <pimp31415> ah dunno
[07:18] <RAOF> pimp31415: MergedFB should be your friend.  Also, you probably wont be able to use compiz with it, due to texture size limitations
[07:18] <pimp31415> i could get the mons working without beryl quite easily with a few good ones
[07:18] <pimp31415> RAOF, yeah that was the thing
[07:18] <pimp31415> tho the size shouldnt have mattered - 1024x768x2
[07:18] <pimp31415> so it falls within the limits of 2048x1024 quite nicely
[07:19] <RAOF> Actually, yeah
[07:19] <pimp31415> [if i remember the restrictions correctly] 
[07:20] <pimp31415> well lets see let me get ntfs-3g on right and then on to dual mons
[07:20] <pimp31415> btw that thing with the vid is an issue with totem and its overlay somewhere i think as it does not carry over to mplayer - testing vlc
[07:21] <RAOF> pimp31415: You can fix it by selecting a different video sink
[07:21] <pimp31415> vlc is fine till i skip ahead - i think its just screen refresh lag thing
[07:21] <pimp31415> diff vid sink? praytell?
[07:21] <pimp31415> mm yeah skip ahead or select another window on top and the overlay gets mad
[07:22] <pimp31415> but i have no options in the device section let me try a few
[07:22] <RAOF> pimp31415: gstreamer-properties -> Video -> no Xv
[07:23] <RAOF> Or install the glimagesink, and use that in the "custom" field
[07:23] <pimp31415> ah yeah was on autodetect
[07:23] <pimp31415> ok sir
[07:23] <pimp31415> i bow to your greatness
[07:24] <pimp31415> ;)
[07:24] <RAOF> No xv may be a little slow.  If so, try glimagesink :)
[07:26] <pimp31415> ok
[07:26] <pimp31415> let me double check im logging
[07:26] <pimp31415> >_<
[07:27] <RAOF> :)
[07:28] <pimp31415> good lol edited
[07:28] <Karark|away> RAOF, where is the gstreamer-properties? for future reference
[07:29] <pimp31415> Karark|away, i did in terminal - good question
[07:29] <Karark|away> ah yea, that works
[07:30] <pimp31415> python-qt3 needs to be included as default in ubuntu-desktop if at all possible b/c of hp stuff
[07:30] <RAOF> You can also edit the "preferences" menu to make it visible
[07:30] <pimp31415> arg needed 5megs of repos
[07:30] <RAOF> not a chance
[07:31] <pimp31415> thus the arg
[07:31] <pimp31415> ah Karark|away multimedia-system-selector
[07:31] <RAOF> Python-qt would pull in like 30Mb worth of dependencies :)
[07:31] <pimp31415> or so
[07:31] <Karark|away> sweet, found it, thanks
[07:31] <pimp31415> RAOF, Need to get 4940kB of archives.
[07:31] <pimp31415> After unpacking 22.1MB of additional disk space will be used.
[07:32] <pimp31415> this is uuberclean install lol
[07:32] <RAOF> There we go :)
[07:32] <RAOF> Think the livecd's got 22Mb spare :)
[07:33] <RAOF> Althogh that's a lot less than I thought it would be
[07:34] <pimp31415> RAOF, only 5MB archives - only needs to be installed as used neh?
[07:35] <Karark|away> is fglrx required to use big-desktop?
[07:36] <RAOF> Karark|away: I don't believe so
[07:36] <Karark|away> great, i hate fglrx on my 9600pro
[07:36] <RAOF> pimp31415: If it's in ubuntu-desktop, it's installed by default.
[07:37] <RAOF> As in, on the livecd :)
[07:37] <pimp31415> RAOF, it wasnt installed - and its not enabled or shown by default
[07:37] <pimp31415> so i assume thats b/c they didnt wanna lose space
[07:37] <pimp31415> but tinyirc should be
[07:37] <pimp31415> SOMETHING
[07:38] <pimp31415> irc2 even
[07:38] <pimp31415> !irc2 details
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irc2 details - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:38] <pimp31415> whats the command ?
[07:38] <pimp31415> ok now for dual mons
[07:38] <pimp31415> btw the hptools worked perfectly - first ubuntu distro for this printer
[07:38] <pimp31415> well gotta check scanner but not right now
[07:38] <RAOF> Um.  I've lost you.  Weren't we talking about python-qt3?
[07:38] <pimp31415> yesa
[07:38] <pimp31415> and its not installed by default
[07:38] <pimp31415> but when i did and got that hplip tool working
[07:39] <pimp31415> [it wouldnt load without the python-qt3 which was not installed by default] 
[07:40] <RAOF> Oh, so hplip doesn't work without p-qt3?
[07:40] <pimp31415> ugot it
[07:41] <pimp31415> try showing it in menu and then running it ^^
[07:41] <pimp31415> could be i missed something somehow
[07:41] <RAOF> bug time!
[07:41] <pimp31415> lol
[07:41] <pimp31415> so how would you recommend i attack dual mons with this ati again?
[07:41] <pimp31415> MergedFB ?
[07:42] <RAOF> yup
[07:43] <Karark|away> ati opensource and big-desktop don't work :/
[07:43] <pimp31415> RAOF, seperate device sections?
[07:44] <RAOF> pimp31415: No idea.  I've only ever multi-monitored with nvidia
[07:44] <pimp31415> ha
[07:44] <Karark|away> now to find a way to get tvout with opensource drivers :(
[07:44] <RAOF> Which is nice and easy.  And will be more so once nouveau works :)
[07:45] <Karark|away> anyone have ideas?
[07:46] <RAOF> Karark|away: I think you need development drivers.
[07:47] <Karark|away> xserver-xorg-dev?
[07:47] <pimp31415> ok brb
[07:49] <masterloki> gah
[07:49] <masterloki> cloned screen - i KNOW i did it all right :-:
[07:49] <masterloki> :_: ***
[07:49] <RoC_MasterMind> what is the basic status of nouveau
[07:50] <Karark|away> guess i will give fglrx another chance
[07:58] <RAOF> RoC_MasterMind: 2d works.  untextured 3d kinda works
[07:59] <RAOF> New, improved, EXA support!
[07:59] <RAOF> git libdrm, mesa, and xorg driver!
[08:00] <RoC_MasterMind> what is untextured 3d?
[08:00] <RoC_MasterMind> like 3d bery/compiz effects?
[08:01] <RAOF> No.  Very much not.
[08:02] <RAOF> Compiz is all textures :)
[08:02] <RAOF> Like glxgears
[08:02] <RAOF> Which works on my 7600 go, until I fullscreen it :)
[08:11] <Karark|away> gah! this is getting annoying
[08:11] <Karark|away> using big-desktop, i have to do horizontal,reverse since my tv is to my left
[08:11] <Karark|away> but i cannot get it to make my PC monitor the default screen
[08:11] <Karark|away> any tips?
[08:12] <RAOF> What? It works with the free drivers?  Cool
[08:12] <Karark|away> nah, fglrx :(
[08:12] <Karark|away> but the firecontrol program is nice for doing TV out
[08:12] <Karark|away> fglrxcontrol in synaptic
[08:14] <Karark|away> RAOF, know how to set which display to default screen?
[08:14] <RAOF> No, sorry
[08:14] <Karark|away> more of an annoyance than anything
[08:15] <Karark|away> worst in when i get an IM and it spawns over there
[08:27] <masterloki> WOW
[08:28] <Karark|away> damn it, my GLX apps do not run correctly with this fglrx + big-desktop
[08:28] <masterloki> hey that worked
[08:28] <masterloki> <<-- pimp etc
[08:28] <masterloki> worked GREAT
[08:28] <Karark|away> the picture is half outside of the window border
[08:28] <masterloki> unfortunately the vid card is too limited to do much on the second screen but i'm gonna post the xorg.conf in the thread
[08:28] <masterloki> :)
[08:28] <RAOF> :)
[08:28] <masterloki> Karark|away, dual mons?
[08:28] <masterloki> !paste
[08:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:28] <Karark|away> masterloki, yea
[08:29] <masterloki> got 3d rendering on both mons here
[08:29] <masterloki> which was a first
[08:29] <Karark|away> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29187/
[08:29] <Karark|away> using ATI
[08:30] <masterloki> so even extra effects works - i get wierd redraw stuff on second mon but i think thats b/c the card is just a 9200
[08:30] <masterloki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29188/
[08:30] <Karark|away> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=37645&d=1183927899
[08:30] <Karark|away> and that's what my GLX apps look like
[08:30] <masterloki> try without the fglrx
[08:30] <Karark|away> i wasn't able to
[08:30] <Karark|away> i'll check your xorg.conf and see whats up
[08:31] <Karark|away> it's s-video out, BW
[08:31] <Karark|away> BTW*
[08:31] <masterloki> yeah same kinda redraw stuff
[08:31] <Karark|away> Option "MonitorLayout" "crt, CRT" # LVDS = Laptop Screen, TMDS = DVI Port, CRT = VGA Port NOT MONITOR TYPE!
[08:31] <Karark|away> what would i use for s-video here
[08:31] <masterloki> what i had to change from the guide was the bit where in mine its crt, crt
[08:32] <masterloki> lets find out :)
[08:32] <Karark|away> hehe
[08:32] <Karark|away> not sure it has the option
[08:32] <Karark|away> i'll give it a go, though
[08:32] <masterloki> try none
[08:32] <masterloki> literally
[08:32] <Karark|away> ok
[08:32] <masterloki> ' none '
[08:33] <Karark|away> Option "MonitorLayout" "none, CRT"
[08:33] <Karark|away> ?
[08:33] <Karark|away> or just none altogether
[08:33] <masterloki> default is auto, auto
[08:33] <masterloki> but yes
[08:33] <masterloki> you might need to swap those tho
[08:33] <masterloki> play with the two diff ways
[08:33] <Karark|away> ok
[08:33] <masterloki> crt means vga out
[08:33] <Karark|away> right
[08:34] <masterloki> tmds == dvi etc
[08:34] <masterloki> :)
[08:34] <masterloki> i'm interested b/c we put this on the tv once in a while
[08:35] <Karark|away> ok, here we go
[08:38] <masterloki> ah
[08:38] <masterloki> might be TV
[08:38] <masterloki> yeah i think tv
[08:38] <masterloki> go figure >_<
[08:41] <masterloki> Karark|away, actually
[08:41] <masterloki> with a bit more looking
[08:41] <Karark|away> damn
[08:41] <masterloki> i think its TV
[08:41] <Karark|away> really?
[08:41] <masterloki> >__<
[08:41] <masterloki> well there are some threads about svideo in ubuntuforums that show tv
[08:42] <Karark|away> but with mergeFB?
[08:42] <Karark|away> i know big-desktop does it
[08:42] <masterloki> no clue man
[08:42] <masterloki> its just a vid type
[08:42] <Karark|away> yea
[08:42] <masterloki> remember both mons need to be same resolution i think
[08:42] <masterloki> unless you do diff sections for each
[08:43] <masterloki> which might be xinerama? no clue
[08:44] <Karark|away> me neither, trying something else
[08:45] <masterloki> beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011
[08:46] <masterloki> really really need some emerald-themes here :_:
[08:47] <Karark|away> getting close
[08:47] <masterloki> good :)
[08:47] <masterloki> whats the current symtoms?
[08:47] <Karark|away> got a clone on TV but it's wacked
[08:47] <masterloki> i would have beryl working on duals if it wernt for the em themes
[08:48] <masterloki> wierd lines?
[08:48] <masterloki> try reducing the shared resolutions way down
[08:48] <Karark|away> super skinny and displayed 3 times
[08:48] <masterloki> 600x480 on both
[08:50] <Karark|away> still garbled
[08:51] <masterloki> GConf backend: There is an unsupported value at path /apps/compiz/plugins/wobbly/screen0/options/friction. Settings from this path won't be read. Try to remove that value so that operation can continue properly.
[08:54] <Karark|away> i just cannot get the damned TV to display properly
[08:54] <Karark|away> but it looks fine with GDM is not running
[08:56] <masterloki> hm
[08:56] <masterloki> are you still using that fglrx ?
[08:56] <masterloki> try radeon or ati
[08:56] <Karark|away> ati
[08:56] <Karark|away> i can get another screen with fglrx
[08:56] <masterloki> hey anyone know how to force emerald and emerald themes in?
[08:56] <Karark|away> but not run GLX apps because the rendering is moved over in a weird way
[08:57] <masterloki> mm
[08:57] <masterloki> sorry i dont know enough about your problem or this in general
[08:57] <masterloki> nvidia - worx great of course
[08:57] <masterloki> >_<
[08:58] <Karark|away> yea i know
[08:58] <Karark|away> but my nvidia card looks like crap with the svideo
[08:58] <masterloki> huh
[08:59] <Karark|away> that nvidia just works
[08:59] <masterloki> well keep at work on it
[08:59] <masterloki> and start a thread in the forums
[08:59] <masterloki> www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:59] <Karark|away> i've posted on a thread about big-desktop
[08:59] <Karark|away> seems to be an active thread
[08:59] <masterloki> heh
[08:59] <masterloki> hm
[08:59] <masterloki> i wonder if i grab the emerald themes from somewhere or other and force in..
[08:59] <Karark|away> guess i could try xinerama
[09:00] <masterloki> gah i'll prolly break stuff beyond repair
[09:00] <Karark|away> breaking stuff is half the fun ;)
[09:00] <masterloki> lets leave it till repos get happier
[09:00] <masterloki> my system, sure
[09:00] <masterloki> his not so much
[09:00] <masterloki> lol
[09:00] <Karark|away> ah ok
[09:01] <masterloki> i could try compiling....
[09:01] <masterloki> YARITE
[09:01] <masterloki> i'll let it go for a bit
[09:01] <masterloki> tho i wonder if there is a way to reverse make the package from my system
[09:02] <masterloki> i bet there is somehow
[09:14] <masterloki> ok well
[09:14] <masterloki> for the record and all
[09:14] <masterloki> i added feisty to repos for a bit and installed emerald stuff from there
[09:14] <masterloki> technicallly its working
[09:14] <masterloki> XD
[09:14] <Hobbsee> ew
[09:14] <masterloki> now to disable it
[09:14] <Hobbsee> that will probably break soon
[09:15] <masterloki> Hobbsee, i had to do something - beryl wouldnt run right without heliodore or emerald-themes
[09:15] <masterloki> neither of which could be installed
[09:15] <masterloki> tho the compiz.real worked i wanted something from beryl - this vid card cant really handle either on duals
[09:15] <masterloki> barely on single mon so w/e
[09:19] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: hey i got a question for ya
[09:20] <Hobbsee> shoot
[09:21] <eagles0513875> when u turn the volume down to 0% do u still get audio coming out
[09:21] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:21] <eagles0513875> ok at least im not the only one
[09:21] <Hobbsee> although i think i saw a bug report where someone didnt
[09:21] <Hobbsee> sorry, no
[09:22] <eagles0513875> ok so im not going to report it again
[09:26] <eagles0513875> whats the deal with all those packages that have been held back
[09:43] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: there are depends issues once everything is built against new libept they will be realesed (as far as i knowadept is blocking libept once that is fixed than they can be built against it and uploaded
[09:45] <eagles0513875> kool.
[09:45] <eagles0513875> i was just wondering
[09:47] <gnomefreak> since apt is sort of important it should get done while sprint week is going on (but im not there so i cant say it will for sure)
[09:47] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:47] <eagles0513875> r u refering to that apport thing that i reported
[09:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: well, i've uploaded the last version, and am not at the sprint...
[09:48] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: yeah i saw that yesterday but apt wont go through without libept
[09:48] <Hobbsee> libept is broken too?  will have to look later
[09:49] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: im assuming that is why apt and apt-utils is not upgrading (apt wants to remove all important apps
[09:49] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: what happend to that apport problem i filed
[09:49] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you're incorrect
[09:49] <gnomefreak> i am?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: well, in so far as it's not libept - it's libapt
[09:49] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:49] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:49] <Hobbsee> everything installing related needs a rebuild against the new apt
[09:50] <Hobbsee> which is pointless, until the version of apt in bzr is in the archive ,and builds on all arches
[09:50] <Hobbsee> anyway, really out this time.
[09:51] <gnomefreak> ubuntu5 is in the archive :(
[09:51] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:51] <eagles0513875> im not much help
[09:51] <eagles0513875> im working on a kubuntu based project of my own with 2 other people atm
[09:51] <eagles0513875> working on developing it
[09:52] <eagles0513875> actually the planning phase atm
[09:52] <eagles0513875> then devellopment
[09:52] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: u know the gpl rather well
[09:53] <gnomefreak> hmm maybe i will ping one of the guys at sprint and see what is going on afaik ubuntu5 is in bzr
[09:53] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: eh
[09:53] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:53] <eagles0513875> j/w if i were to take kubuntu and make another dirivative but call it a different name would that violate the gpl
[09:54] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: depends on the name
[09:55] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: but yes you should beable to
[09:55] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:55] <eagles0513875> sweet
[09:55] <eagles0513875> u know much programming gnomefreak
[09:55] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: some not so much alot
[09:56] <eagles0513875> may i pm ya gnome
[09:57] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: yeah ill answer as soon as i get back (getting coffee and a smoke)
[09:57] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:32] <jussi01> Hmmm, hello everyone. how is gutsy looking right now?
[10:33] <eagles0513875> for me so far so good
[10:33] <eagles0513875> only one peculiarity though
[10:33] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:59] <moky>  hello
[10:59] <moky>  I've a problem with the internet connection of KGutsy Tribe2
[10:59] <moky>  it only accepts eth2
[10:59] <moky> so I am unable to connect
[11:00] <moky> I do not have the problem with kgutsy upgraded from kfeisty
[11:00] <gnomefreak> moky: n-m is screwed up in gutsy atm
[11:02] <gnomefreak> moky: file a bug and wait for it to get fixed
[11:02] <moky> ok. Thanks
[11:02] <moky> What do I have to precise in my bug report ?
[11:03] <moky> I am not used to fill bug report and I want to do it correctly
[11:04] <gnomefreak> moky: the problem, expected results, what results you are getting version of ubuntu, version of network-manager and anything else that you would see as important (errors you get when you try differnet things)
[11:05] <moky> For the versions of software, can I just say "tribe2 live-CD" ?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> moky: are you using livecd or installed?
[11:06] <moky> both
[11:06] <moky> right now I am using a upgrade from feisty. It works
[11:07] <moky> but the live-cd presents the bug as well as the installed version (at least woth tribe1)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> moky: version of network-manager == apt-cache poilcy network-manager for gutsy release just say you are using gutsy it is than assumed you are up to date
[11:09] <moky> I cannot be up to date because I have no network ;)
[11:09] <gnomefreak> moky: well than you would need to tell them when you lost your net access
[11:10] <moky> when performing a fresh install of Gutsy
[11:14] <jussi01> hmmm, ok, where is my adept?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> jussi01: its there unless you upgraded apt
[11:20] <jussi01> hmmm, i havent upgraded for a few days... but maybe i did
[11:20] <jussi01> havent booted gustsy since saturday..
[11:21] <gnomefreak> jussi01: you would have to know if you upgraded it since its held back you would have gave the install command
[11:21] <gnomefreak> jussi01: sudo apt-get update
[11:21] <jussi01> ok, i only have used the adept updater..
[11:21] <gnomefreak> jussi01: than try upgrade apt-apt-utils and others should be held back
[11:22] <jussi01> huh?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> jussi01: run sudo apt-get update than run sudo apt-get upgrade. the above packages should be in held back
[11:23] <gnomefreak> adept will still be installed unless you upgraded those packages. do not force an upgrade or try to install those packages
[11:24] <jussi01> oh crap
[11:24] <jussi01> it only held back libcurl 3 and 4
[11:25] <jussi01> is it gonna die now?
[11:25] <jussi01> elkbuntu: wb!
[11:26] <gnomefreak> jussi01: libvurl has issues see /topic
[11:26] <elkbuntu> jussi01, did the netsplit 2hrs ago ever unsplit?
[11:27] <jussi01> elkbuntu: i dont think so
[11:27] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: no
[11:27] <jussi01> elkbuntu: ubotu is still gone...
[11:27] <elkbuntu> ok then, there's 66 poor suckers in #ubuntu over on the other server
[11:27] <jussi01> gnomefreak: just what... (end of /topic)?
[11:27] <jussi01> hehe... poor them
[11:27] <jussi01> :P
[11:28] <jussi01> elkbuntu: at least they have ubotu to keep them company... :P
[11:28] <gnomefreak> oh good question
[11:28] <gnomefreak> ill fix it in a moment
[11:29] <jussi01> hehe, thanks :)
[11:30] <jussi01> heh... what was it going to say?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> jussi01: freenode set it so there is no telling
[11:32] <gnomefreak> freenode is having issues today
[11:32] <jussi01> I noticed
[11:33] <jussi01> hmmm, question, is mesa the best driver for intel 915? or is there some intel driver i should be installing...?
[11:34] <crdlb> that is the intel driver
[11:34] <crdlb> they don't make silly proprietary drivers
[11:34] <jussi01> ok... Im just getting issues with tremulous
[11:35] <crdlb> as long as you mean mesa, not vesa :P
[11:35] <jussi01> crdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29195/
[11:35] <jussi01> thats the out put when i start in terminal
[11:36] <crdlb> jussi01, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:38] <jussi01> crdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29196/
[11:40] <crdlb> well I thought gutsy used the newer intel driver (not i810)
[11:40] <crdlb> but it's working
[11:40] <crdlb> jussi01, pastebin this: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
[11:41] <jussi01> crdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29198/
[11:41] <crdlb> ah there's the problem
[11:42] <jussi01> yes, i just saw that...
[11:42] <crdlb> sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
[11:42] <crdlb> and if it's installed --reinstall it
[11:42] <jussi01> installing
[11:42] <jussi01> :)
[11:43] <jussi01> ok, trem works now!
[11:43] <jussi01> thanks a lot!
[11:43] <jussi01> any idea why that didnt install the first time around?
[11:44] <crdlb> well at least for a while they were going to leave off libgl1-mesa-dri
[11:44] <crdlb> because of space concerns
[11:44] <jussi01> oh
[11:44] <jussi01> ok then
[11:44] <crdlb> because they didn't realize -glx wasn't enough by itself apparently
[11:45] <jussi01> ok, so they are fixing it?
[11:45] <jussi01> or do I need to file a bug?
[11:45] <crdlb> afaik it's fixed
[11:45] <jussi01> ok :)
[11:45] <crdlb> and they're certainly aware of it :)
[11:45] <jussi01> excellent
[11:45] <jussi01> well, Im off to play some trem....
[11:45] <jussi01> :)
[12:09] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[01:32] <SeveredCross> >:o
[01:32] <SeveredCross> Apt still isn't fixed!
[01:33] <gnomefreak> SeveredCross: apt ios being held back in gutsy
[01:34] <gnomefreak> SeveredCross: everything needs to be built on new libapt
[01:34] <SeveredCross> Bah.
[01:34] <SeveredCross> I could've sworn Hobbsee told me that was going to be fixed with 0.7.2ubuntu6.
[01:34] <gnomefreak> SeveredCross: apt maybe but the other apps myabe not
[01:35] <SeveredCross> Bah.
[01:35] <SeveredCross> Well, it's weird, because doesn't the apt package provide libapt-pkg-libc6-blah-blah?
[01:35] <gnomefreak> there are about 10-20 apps that need rebuild on new libapt
[01:35] <SeveredCross> Oh, and synaptic and aptitude are looking for the wrong version of apt.
[01:35] <SeveredCross> Gotcha.
[01:35] <SeveredCross> Err, libapt.
[01:40] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[01:40] <SeveredCross> I got aptitude back.
[01:40] <SeveredCross> And tasksel and ubuntu-minimal.
[01:40] <SeveredCross> Synaptic is still busted.
[01:47] <mrsno__> morn
[01:48] <SeveredCross> Mornin.
[05:18] <Infecto> hello
[05:19] <Infecto> can some one tell me where is acroread in pkg ?
[05:20] <mrsno__> gworkspace-apps-wrappers in universe Infecto ?
[05:20] <mrsno__> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=acroread&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[05:21] <Infecto> mrsno__: a sry
[05:29] <Infecto> i install it but it not contain acroread
[05:29] <Infecto> :)
[05:42] <DanaG> ubuntu-laptop-mode wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> DanaG: because it conflicts  ubuntu-laptop-mode
[06:15] <donspaulding> Hello all, I'm running gutsy on my new T61, and I don't have any sound.  The current version of the alsa-driver is 1.0.14, which can be patched to provide support for my chipset, but the patches exist in CVS version of the driver.
[06:15] <donspaulding> My question is, will there be any updates beyond 1.0.14 to the alsa-driver before gutsy releases?
[06:46] <SaltyMule> can I get help here?
[06:46] <mrsno__> SaltyMule see topic , but sure
[06:47] <SaltyMule> sorry, just trying to find the ubuntu help channel
[06:52] <donspaulding> Anyone know if the alsa-driver will be updated again before gutsy releases?
[06:54] <mrsno> SaltyMule try #ubuntu for general support
[06:57] <SaltyMule> Thanks, but no one was answering my questions
[07:12] <teratoma> someone gonna fix apt one day?
[07:14] <donspaulding> /me's not
[07:43] <PriceChild> *growls* Why can't I mange to compile the rt2x00 drivers? :(
[07:46] <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: What does it fail on ? rfkill ?
[07:47] <PriceChild> I'm just gonna make a nice clean make.log
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> Are you trying to compile the daily cvs download (remember its against wireless-git)
[07:49] <PriceChild> I've tried the latest from ralinktech, and from serialmonkey (beta4)
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> neither of those are rt2x00
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> the legacy ones are not the rewrite
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> (feisty uses the mac80211 ones anyway)
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> s/feisty/gutsy
[07:52] <PriceChild> ok so i can accept maybe I don't know what I'm doing...
[10:27] <conn> hi, has anyone with an intel graphics chipset tried the EXA AccelMethod in Xorg? If you have, can you also get compiz working properly?
[10:27] <crdlb> conn, I'm pretty sure that XAA is still a far better AccelMethod
[10:28] <conn> crdlb, hard to explain, but very soon it will work better than XAA, as soon as xserver-xorg-core is updated, it will have smooth scrolling with compiz...
[10:29] <conn> crdlb, Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" - this will make EXA rendering as fast as XAA for the moment
[10:29] <crdlb> cool
[10:30] <conn> crdlb, you'd be doing me a big favour if you can verify that compiz works with exa
[10:30] <crdlb> I cannot :/
[10:30] <conn> ok
[10:30] <crdlb> not running gutsy atm, and I don't have an intel chip :P
[10:31] <conn> ok :)
[10:40] <joumetal> added Option exa in xorg.conf and x works with i815
[10:42] <joumetal> compiz works too.
[10:42] <conn> joumetal, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i exa
[10:43] <conn> if exa isn't supported, it'll revert to xaa without failing - I'm not sure if the i815 chipset supports exa yet
[10:43] <joumetal> it doesn't give anything
[10:46] <conn> joumetal, you're probably using xaa, then
[10:46] <joumetal> yes it is.
[10:47] <conn> anyway thanks for testing it, I appreciate it :)
[10:47] <h3sp4wn> exa works very nicely on my r200 based ati
[10:51] <conn> h3sp4wn, yep and when the rest of the aiglx-zero-copy-tfp patches are applied to xorg, scrolling will be much better for you with compiz
[10:52] <conn> unfortunately on my intel graphics, exa is causing compiz to crash :(
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> conn: I don't care about compiz (in any way shape or form) just the rendering quality difference was the reason I used it
[10:53] <conn> h3sp4wn, quality? The only difference is performance and memory usage
[10:54] <lamalex> that counts as quality
[10:54] <conn> bugs aside, xaa and exa should render things identically
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> conn: well they didn't at that point on my card
[10:54] <conn> lamalex, yep I'd agree, as long as that was the intended meaning and not "visual" quality
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> conn: It doesn't look identical (at least in real use)
[10:57] <conn> h3sp4wn, interesting... what looks different?
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> conn: fonts are just alot clearer with xterm
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> (Its only xterm as well urxvt and anothers I tried didn't have the same effect)
[10:59] <conn> that's interesting, but I somehow doubt it... all font rendering (subpixel or otherwise) is done by freetype/cairo, if it looks different, I guess there's a bug in XAA for your card, but I gotta say, that's unlikely. EXA is the buggy architecture at the moment
[10:59] <conn> on another laptop I had, there was a lot of corruption with EXA, but XAA was perfect
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> With exa I can get it to look like xaa
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> by disabling xrender
[12:00] <SeveredCross> YAY SOMEONE FIXED APT!
[12:00] <SeveredCross> ^_^
[12:00] <Disablez> jeeepa
[12:00] <Tretle> libcurl?
[12:00] <Disablez> :P
[12:00] <SeveredCross> I think so.
[12:00] <Tretle> yeay
[12:00] <SeveredCross> I did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it did everything.
[12:00] <SeveredCross> Actually...wait..
[12:00] <SeveredCross> Maybe not.
[12:01] <Tretle> awe
[12:01] <SeveredCross> No, no libcurl.
[12:01] <SeveredCross> OO.org didn't install.
[12:01] <SeveredCross> Yeah, OO.org is still down for the count.
[12:01] <Tretle> is the libcurl package comming up in update manager for you at all?
[12:01] <SeveredCross> Still, ubuntu-desktop installs fine though.
[12:01] <SeveredCross> Hmm, nope
[12:02] <Tretle> did you install libcurl three
[12:02] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[12:02] <SeveredCross> I have 7.16.2-ubuntu4
[12:02] <SeveredCross> Err, 2-6ubuntu4
[12:02] <SeveredCross> However libcurl4 requires 2-6ubuntu3
[12:02] <Tretle> because before I installed warsow, which installed libcurl3 and uninstalled 4 and open office the new libcurl4 package was showing up in update manager
[12:02] <SeveredCross> Which is a totally retarded way to do dependencies
[12:03] <Tretle> you couldnt select it though
[12:03] <SeveredCross> Hmm...
[12:03] <SeveredCross> Yeah, I have the same issue.
[12:03] <SeveredCross> It's because it can't figure out how to install libcurl4
[12:03] <SeveredCross> Since libcurl4-blah depends on exactly libcurl3-7.16.2-6ubuntu3 but libcurl4 is -6ubuntu4
[12:03] <SeveredCross> Err, libcurl 3 is ....
[12:05] <Tretle> so they lied when they said backwards compatable
[12:05] <SeveredCross> IMHO, it's a situation of somebody fucked up the package.
[12:06] <PriceChild> libcurl was upgraded...
[12:06] <SeveredCross> There's no reason why it should be specifically dependent on 6ubuntu3 and not work with 6ubuntu4.
[12:06] <PriceChild> in debian
[12:06] <SeveredCross> PriceChild: Try installing OO.org and you'll see what we're talking about.
[12:06] <PriceChild> ubuntu took the changes
[12:06] <PriceChild> debian realised the api had changed in ways they thought wouldn't
[12:06] <PriceChild> so they reverted
[12:06] <PriceChild> we still haven't reverted...
[12:07] <PriceChild> patience and an updated libcurl3 and things will be sorted )
[12:07] <Tretle> so we arnt actually going to use libcurl4 in gutsy?
[12:08] <pvandewyngaerde> is it safe to remove libcurl4 ?
[12:08] <PriceChild> it will require a lot more tweaking of other packages to use libcurl4
[12:08] <PriceChild> libcurl4 itself isn't "broken"... no need to remove it
[12:11] <pvandewyngaerde> a few days ago i got this http://pietervandewyngaerde.googlepages.com/updatewrong.png now i get this http://pietervandewyngaerde.googlepages.com/update10-07.png looks o lot better now
[12:24] <neoncode> How unstable is Gutsy right now? I mean does it crash after 5 seconds or does it give you time to check your E-Mail first?
[12:24] <PriceChild> neoncode, don't use gutsy
[12:24] <SeveredCross> I wouldn't say it's exactly unstable.
[12:24] <PriceChild> it is alpha, for developers and bug triagers etc.
[12:24] <SeveredCross> But it's a bit broken.
[12:24] <PriceChild> if you want to read your email
[12:25] <neoncode> PriceChild: I know, But I don't plan to use it exclusively.
[12:25] <PriceChild> then use feisty
[12:25] <PriceChild> !away > Karark|away
[12:26] <PriceChild> use feisty
[12:26] <PriceChild> the fact that you're even asking about it suggests you shouldn't
[12:26] <neoncode> I'm just wondering how broken it currently is.
[12:27] <pvandewyngaerde> i use gutsy as my daily os
[12:27] <eagles0513875> same here
[12:27] <pvandewyngaerde> but i just surf'n'chat
[12:27] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:28] <eagles0513875> i like always trying new stuff
[12:28] <eagles0513875> lol im tryign to even find some more people than what i already have to develop a new kubuntu version