=== _4str1 [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-22-93.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cowbud [n=fuas@76.2.24.70] has joined #ubuntu+1 === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-111.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:55] tretle: Nope, not Jason Mewes, sorry to dissapoint. [12:55] Don't even know who Jason Mewes is. === thompa [n=thompa@c-68-53-85-246.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === teratoma [n=teratoma@twinlark.arctic.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:03] i tried to install synaptic and i get this error: [01:03] synaptic: Depends: libapt-inst-libc6.5-6-1.1 but it is not installable [01:03] what did i do wrong ? [01:06] SeveredCross: http://uwadmnweb.uwyo.edu/concerts/images/jay%20and%20silent%20bob.jpg [01:06] teratoma: Nothing. [01:06] The apt package is broken. [01:06] No, but I may have picked up that habit from seeing him in movies. [01:07] a fixed version will eventually appear? [01:07] Yes. [01:07] It's uploaded to be built into launchpad, Hobbsee uploaded it earlier, just nobody's built it. [01:07] I think OO.org is there for build, and that bloody piece of junk takes ages to build. [01:07] So apt is waiting. [01:07] dist-upgrade removed my Synaptic and shtuff, heh [01:08] yeah. good thing no one uses apt and synaptic [01:09] !upgrade [01:09] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes === stuporglu1 [n=stuporgl@72.8.105.17] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:11] LOL. [01:11] Yeah, apt is a bit broken. [01:11] No worries, it'll get fixed soon, just keep doing apt-get upgrade :) [01:12] You can monitor this page too: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/0.7.2ubuntu6 [01:15] Anyone else installed Gutsy on a Macbook? I wanted to confirm a minor problem with the installer. [01:16] if its the partitioner its a known bug [01:16] Yeah, it would hang after making changes, but when I used gparted to delete the partitions, then said to use existing free space, it worked fine. === \x6e\x65\x72\x64 [n=gaucho@200-203-68-157.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:17] yeah [01:17] same with every system [01:18] the partitioner in the installer has craped out :D [01:18] ah, ok. Is there a bug for it on launchpad? I couldn't find it...I'm pretty new to launchpad [01:18] as far as i know it was asvertised as one of the known bugs when tribe 2 was released [01:18] ok [01:19] asvertised = advertised [01:19] should be fixed in tribe 3 hopefully [01:20] Sounds good. [01:20] does indeed [01:20] :) === snax [n=snax@c-24-17-210-137.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === teratoma [n=teratoma@twinlark.arctic.org] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === clooch [n=clooch@66.231.221.19] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clooch_ [n=clooch@66.231.221.19] has joined #ubuntu+1 === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-111.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-152-173-169.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clooch [n=clooch@66.231.221.19] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clooch_ [n=clooch@66.231.221.19] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clooch_ [n=clooch@66.231.221.19] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === mrsno__ [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:51] hrm, my attempts to get gutsy talking to a projector on my laptop have left me with main screen at 640x480 :( === MugginsM runs aptitute to see if there's anything new === makuseru [n=max@210.113.40.24.aeneasdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clouder`grr [n=clouder@cpe-24-174-204-170.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clouder`grr_ [n=clouder@cpe-24-174-204-170.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === defcon [n=defcon@70-58-246-127.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === h1st0 [n=histo@216.96.116.90] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:11] Are there any specs planned for adding compiz fusion to gusty? [02:11] Yes, it's already there [02:12] compiz-fusion-plugins-* [02:16] By default? [02:16] Like the desktop effects package? [02:23] Yes it's installed by default and will enable itself if your graphics card has 3d out of the box === \x6e\x65\x72\x64 [n=gaucho@201-34-86-187.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:24] oh [02:24] I noticed on gutsty....I opened the update manager...it had a lot of updates...but strangely the ones for apt were unchecked..why? [02:24] Dependency problems [02:25] Interesting. [02:25] libcurl3 and 4 are having fights, and lots of other packages are getting dragged into it [02:25] basically [02:25] You can install those upgrades, but you lose aptitude, apport, ubuntu-desktop, etc :) [02:25] I see. [02:25] Yay! [02:25] That's the breakage I heard about..interesting that it makes them unchecked. [02:25] Actually, its a libapt problem, isnt it? [02:28] so does that mean that after the libcurl4 package is uploaded then other packages will install correctly? === TheGoodShepherd [n=lollersk@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:31] hmmmmmmmmm.......200 cadbury's cream eggs :D === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-51-33.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Eruantalon [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:11] opensource ATI drivers have seemed to improve :D [03:11] new release? [03:11] from 7.04 [03:11] just got my gutsy going [03:12] yeah... going to reinstall fresh now after I finish a few things up [03:13] i've yet to run into a bug in the 45min i've been up [03:13] anything i should watch out for? [03:13] think doing an upgrade broke more things then a fresh install, well from my experience with a fresh install more things seemed to work [03:13] well, i think my gutsy is broken for a reason [03:14] yea, i've still got 7.04 on another HDD, but doubt i'll go back to it [03:14] the upgrade crashed [03:14] damn [03:14] mine just updated smoothly [03:14] do u use gimmie [03:14] ? [03:14] no [03:14] never heard of it [03:15] hmmmm........ on the gimmie discussion I cant find any posts about gutsy [03:15] I installed it from the gutsy repo's [03:15] but it crashes on startup [03:16] hmm [03:16] http://www.beatniksoftware.com/gimmie/Main_Page [03:16] it might be included in gnome 3.0 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@208.69.214.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:17] looks neat [03:17] might have to give it a shot [03:18] tell me how it goes [03:18] i dont want to submit a bug without first finding out whether its actually a bug or not [03:18] :) [03:19] heh, right [03:19] crashes here, too [03:20] crud [03:20] :( [03:20] when running in term i get... ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gimmie[18074] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... [03:20] reporting it so [03:20] i will too [03:21] getting that same problem on a vast amount of applications [03:21] jokosher being another one [03:21] filing with gnome or ubuntu? [03:22] just use the bug reporting tool [03:22] right, i did, went to gnome [03:23] bugzilla [03:23] :D [03:23] i wonder if getting my svideo out is gonna be a pain [03:28] that GSlice thing actually happens for all glib apps, and is (I believe) a harmless bug in glib. [03:29] RAOF: is there a link you could give me to the info on the bug [03:30] or who is assigned, how long its been there, when its likely to be fixed? [03:30] No, sorry. I'd imagine it'd be fairly prominant in the libglib2 buglist, though :) === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:33] oh [03:33] anybody with Broadcom 4318 WLAN tried to use the restricted driver manager to install firmware and activate card? Crashes everytime for me [03:34] RAOF: that bug was reported in may :( === qwertymnbvc_ [n=gaucho@201-66-175-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:39] How much of KDE4 (or its applications) are available in Kubuntu Gutsy right now for testing (if not installed by default)? [03:39] RoC_MasterMind: I have a bcm4311, restricted firmware cutter worked perfectly for me [03:41] I have not yet installed all the updates since Tribe 2 === tinycat [n=tinycat@219.249.159.249] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-65-46-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS is now known as derekS === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/116870 [03:55] Launchpad bug 116870 in glib2.0 "[gutsy] GSlice: g_thread_init() Warning messages" [High,Confirmed] [03:55] damn, my firefox is broken :( [03:56] keeps telling me the process is already running, kill it or reboot [03:56] it's not there to kill and reboot doesn't fix it, reinstall doesn't either [03:57] strange [03:58] Karark|away, rm ~/.mozilla/firefox/*default/lock [03:59] no dice [03:59] doesn't exist [03:59] deleting entire firefox folder works, though [04:00] ps aux | grep lighttpd [04:02] sorry === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-0-164.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:02] type ps aux to get a preocess list [04:02] and then kill the firefox process [04:02] i ran top and didn't see it [04:03] ran killall firefox-bin as well [04:03] but i've got it now [04:04] cool [04:04] why didnt they just call the preocess firefox :( [04:04] no clue [04:04] lol [04:04] pidgin did it :D [04:08] found it [04:08] /usr/lib/firefo === Vorbote [n=vorbote@unaffiliated/vorbote] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Flannel [n=flannel@cpe-76-176-22-229.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Flannel [n=flannel@cpe-76-176-22-229.san.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === SmrtJustin [n=SmrtJust@72.241.32.238] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dana1 [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DeepB [n=Joe@unaffiliated/deepb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tretle [n=tretle@78.16.1.125] has joined #ubuntu+1 === TheGoodShepherd [n=lollersk@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@203-217-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-6-43.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@203-217-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thompa [n=thompa@c-68-53-85-246.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:25] tzdata is a problem in an upgrade 64 bit but it works its way out [05:25] the easy fix was to just remove it and then upgrade [05:26] I think this was a syanptics error. macbook is working better than osx on the other hand === ubuntu_ [n=ubuntu@75.80.8.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:44] waddup === clouder`grr [n=clouder@cpe-24-174-204-170.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:47] ok the thing about the installer thingie is to kil the umbiq or whatever processes and restart? === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-152-173-169.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:53] argh [05:53] comon guyz [05:54] !stall [05:54] Sorry, I don't know anything about stall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi === clouder`grr [n=clouder@cpe-24-174-204-170.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === clouder`grr_ [n=clouder@cpe-24-174-204-170.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:55] masterlooki_: What is your question? [05:55] um [05:55] intel 2.8ghz 2gigs ram 9200 ati [05:55] 2 hdd's both ide [05:55] need to setup swap 2 roots home and a win partition [05:56] 2gig swap 6 gig each root and 12 gig win and rest home [05:56] 60 gig primary hdd im putting those 5 partitions on [05:56] Right. Ok. [05:56] and ubiquity or w/e stalls on man partitioning [05:56] whats the command? [05:56] Aaah [05:56] swapmake and swapon? [05:56] i killed it and ran as root [sudo su >>> ubwhatever] === RAOF hunts for the release notes. [05:57] Of course, you could just use the alternate installer disc [05:57] gah sorry [05:57] but i already got this one.. and i know theres a command - had to on my other co mpy [05:57] gah this is my roomates compy [05:58] upgraded him from edgy to feisty with no effect - flash and mplayer sound broken suggested edgy + gutsy installs lol [05:58] gutsy to play edgy for normal windows he must have for his work. [05:58] sound professional and nix tools just dont cut it atm - and dont support his aud card yet unfortunately [05:58] so: if your here all the time grep logs for same thing its rather common i think [05:59] pimp31415: sudo killall ubiquity; sudo ubiquity [05:59] gah [05:59] i think there was a flag between the sudo and ubiquity [05:59] -c ? [06:00] That's copied directly from the release announcement [06:00] guess that would have been a sudo flag so woudlnt matter [06:00] i did sudo su [06:00] so i can run ubiquity as just that lol [06:00] Should also work, I think. === CodeImp [n=dont@s55910c2b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:04] ah [06:04] just random crash last time working now [06:04] i think === Tomcat_ [n=Tomcat@p5B15D27B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-152-173-169.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:08] yeah looks good [06:08] thanx RAOF :) === Toma- [n=e17@203-217-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === akrus [n=akrus@62.140.224.26] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === EdLin [n=jlee@pool-70-23-90-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pschulz01 [n=pschulz0@ubuntu/member/pschulz01] has joined #ubuntu+1 === EdLin [n=jlee@pool-70-23-90-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === mloki [n=mloki@75.80.8.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:48] gah [06:48] network manager crashed? [06:54] why does /etc/network/interfaces have so many interfaces that jus tdont exist! [06:54] just to toy with you! [06:54] ;) === ptn107 [n=phil@68.63.160.79] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:54] lol [06:54] how about w32codecs [06:55] what about em? [06:55] i <3 w32codecs [06:55] ; ) [06:55] i need em? [06:55] totem playing something but no vid output [06:55] i can only guess its that [06:55] trying to play a file should bring up a DL dialog for it [06:56] ah [06:56] hmm [06:56] what kinda file? [06:56] xvid [06:56] worx in mplayer [06:57] don't use totem? :D [06:57] mloki: Nah. You really only need w32codecs for realplayer support now [06:57] Karark|away, thats unacceptable as broken as totem is. [06:57] RAOF, the idea is to play anything. [06:57] how about this: [06:57] i haven't tried any xvids yet, just got gusty installed a couple hours ago [06:57] i can get one of the devs of cccp-project to come by and maintain something like w32codecs i bet [06:58] nice Karark|away very nice and smooth from here once umbiquity worked lol [06:58] ty again btw RAOF [06:58] mloki: No, you cant. w32codecs is a licence violation [06:58] my xvids are playing in totem === pitfall [n=adept@dau94-8-88-166-31-178.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:58] RAOF, no its not. [06:58] i legally own and have installed windows. [06:58] i have all liscenses i need. [06:59] anyone noticing firefox hitting 100% cpu when loading a page for a second [06:59] Violates the end-user agreement for windows [06:59] a mini lag [06:59] Karark|away, yeah [06:59] RAOF, my decision [06:59] Whether or not that's a valid contract is less certain :) [07:00] id be willing to go to court. [07:00] ogawd [07:00] there we go again [07:00] But Ubuntu certainly can't distribute them. === Martinp23 [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:01] i didnt ask them to [07:01] i asked what about w32codecs [07:01] those were never ubuntu distrobuted [07:01] Ah. Well, totem can use them? [07:01] it works here [07:01] right [07:02] ffmpeg ugly, i think [07:02] Just install gstreamer0.10-* :) [07:02] so basically i need to just grab and install manually [07:02] will look real quick [07:02] the point being [07:02] no RAOF [07:02] gstreamer is crap. [07:02] !mediabuntu [07:02] Sorry, I don't know anything about mediabuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [07:02] !medibuntu [07:02] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [07:02] yes [07:02] exactly [07:02] i'm needing to know about changing it to gutsy [07:02] doesnt seem to work [07:02] so just use feisty settings on that for now? [07:03] GStreamer plugins for aac, xvid, mpeg2, faad [07:03] GStreamer plugins from the "bad" set (Multiverse Variant) [07:03] mloki: Yeah, I suppose. And gstreamer rocks :L [07:03] using gusty repos [07:03] RAOF, if it rocked i would not have a black screen when playing the vid === DeepB [n=Joe@unaffiliated/deepb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dana1 [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@208.69.214.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === grumpymole [n=warren@c58-109-125-122.lowrp2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-226-220.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === assasukasse [n=agostino@host-84-222-171-74.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 === profoX` [n=wesley@ubuntu/member/profox] has joined #ubuntu+1 === limetang [n=ircwhore@80-45-90-17.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === luc__ [n=luc@DSL01.83.171.191.253.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lamalex [n=alex@c-71-225-106-125.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lloydbudd [n=lloyd@S010600062587c624.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@12.19.132.227] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mister_roboto [n=jrk@24-136-22-252.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rec53 [n=crowsty@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:irc.freenode.net] : The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing and the like. | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, there are libcurl* and apt issues ATM. Just [07:04] Well, you probably don't have the codec installed. You can't blame gst for that :) [07:05] can't blam gstreamer for not having what installed? [07:05] o wait [07:05] i was asking about a CODECS PACKAGE [07:05] sit back and think about that for a second. [07:05] i'm not trying to flam [07:05] i just told you what package to use [07:05] Karark|away, i installed the restricted package with aptitude [07:06] it brought all those in by default [07:06] : [07:06] :)) [07:06] and it still doesnt show vid [07:06] bummer [07:07] quite broken - when i minimize totem and reunminimize it shows single frame and then goes blank [07:07] Ah. That is a problem. Using desktop-effects? [07:07] no i dont think so lets douible check [07:07] i would so love to be wrong :) [07:07] user error is much better than distro hell lol [07:08] aahh [07:08] :L [07:08] you, sir get a cookie [07:08] great [07:08] now what would compiz.real have to do with that,,,,, [07:08] lets fix it for beryl and see what we can do. === Hobbsee waits for an archive admin... [07:08] emerald-themes: Depends: emerald (>= 0.1) but it is not installable [07:08] hi Hobbsee ^^ [07:08] You have run into the "ati drivers hate Xv + compiz" bug [07:08] gotcha [07:09] hi pimp31415 [07:09] how u holdin down the fort with your bad self [07:09] pimp31415: your point? :) [07:09] i'm waiting on someone to unbreak soyuz, so apt actually gets built. [07:09] btw scroll up a few hours someone tried to compile apt and couldnt get it to checkinstall [07:09] ha i knew it was something lol [07:09] bft [07:09] *pft [07:09] any way to force emerald-themes in? [07:09] checkinstall dies over anything complicated - like, multiple binaries [07:10] lol [07:10] if i were actually decent i would learn how to make uninstall [07:10] or whatever it is [07:10] lol [07:10] i'd be more worried if it *did* build [07:11] because it would probably kill his system === Hobbsee wonders about filing a removal request for it === RAOF wonders why emerald is not installable === pimp31415 wonders why too [07:13] it was installable 3 days ago? [07:13] 5? === Hobbsee shrugs [07:13] and i did an apt-clean >_< [07:13] RAOF: someone broke it [07:13] Yay! [07:13] RAOF: because emerald doesnt atually exist anymore [07:14] due to the merge, and such [07:14] RAOF: if there isnt one already, please file a bug on removing emerald-themes [07:14] Not quite true, sadly [07:14] well, the ubuntu package [07:14] Really we should package the new emerald, I suppose [07:14] ok now lets try the desktop effects with extra effects [07:15] btw excellent install on the gutsy overall [07:15] RAOF: i'd prefer not to see that stuff go thru :P === RAOF suggests getting "compizconfig-settings-manager", trr === Hobbsee wants to see the kde version.. [07:15] pity mvo is on leave === RAOF will pretend that emerald no longer exists, then :) [07:16] well extra effects with desktop effects works by default on radeon 9200 === EdLin [n=jlee@pool-70-23-90-108.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:16] i wonder if i could get dual mons with that working === pimp31415 drools [07:16] my roomate would LOVE it [07:16] Hobbsee: For cc-s [07:16] ? [07:16] RAOF: i think so, yeah [07:16] pimp31415: I believe so, yes [07:16] and as for emerald how about have it be a placeholder package like so many others that just makes sure the latest emerald-themes is in [07:17] Hobbsee: Cool. I can't wait for an actually usable settings manager :P [07:17] pimp31415, what do you use for dual monitors? [07:17] RAOF, theoretically yes in edgy/feisty/dapper but really no but hey lets see what we can do here :) [07:17] Karark|away, radeon 9200 128MB card with dual lcd's [07:17] i had a hell of a time getting svideo and my monitor working nicely on feisty [07:17] vga outs [07:17] software wise [07:17] bigscreen? [07:18] FBmerge? [07:18] ah dunno [07:18] pimp31415: MergedFB should be your friend. Also, you probably wont be able to use compiz with it, due to texture size limitations [07:18] i could get the mons working without beryl quite easily with a few good ones [07:18] RAOF, yeah that was the thing [07:18] tho the size shouldnt have mattered - 1024x768x2 [07:18] so it falls within the limits of 2048x1024 quite nicely [07:19] Actually, yeah [07:19] [if i remember the restrictions correctly] [07:20] well lets see let me get ntfs-3g on right and then on to dual mons [07:20] btw that thing with the vid is an issue with totem and its overlay somewhere i think as it does not carry over to mplayer - testing vlc [07:21] pimp31415: You can fix it by selecting a different video sink [07:21] vlc is fine till i skip ahead - i think its just screen refresh lag thing [07:21] diff vid sink? praytell? [07:21] mm yeah skip ahead or select another window on top and the overlay gets mad [07:22] but i have no options in the device section let me try a few [07:22] pimp31415: gstreamer-properties -> Video -> no Xv [07:23] Or install the glimagesink, and use that in the "custom" field [07:23] ah yeah was on autodetect [07:23] ok sir [07:23] i bow to your greatness [07:24] ;) [07:24] No xv may be a little slow. If so, try glimagesink :) === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-65-69-152-82.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:26] ok [07:26] let me double check im logging [07:26] >_< [07:27] :) === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FDC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:28] good lol edited [07:28] RAOF, where is the gstreamer-properties? for future reference [07:29] Karark|away, i did in terminal - good question [07:29] ah yea, that works [07:30] python-qt3 needs to be included as default in ubuntu-desktop if at all possible b/c of hp stuff [07:30] You can also edit the "preferences" menu to make it visible [07:30] arg needed 5megs of repos [07:30] not a chance [07:31] thus the arg [07:31] ah Karark|away multimedia-system-selector [07:31] Python-qt would pull in like 30Mb worth of dependencies :) [07:31] or so [07:31] sweet, found it, thanks [07:31] RAOF, Need to get 4940kB of archives. [07:31] After unpacking 22.1MB of additional disk space will be used. [07:32] this is uuberclean install lol [07:32] There we go :) [07:32] Think the livecd's got 22Mb spare :) [07:33] Althogh that's a lot less than I thought it would be [07:34] RAOF, only 5MB archives - only needs to be installed as used neh? [07:35] is fglrx required to use big-desktop? === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-224ce5002dd2dab8] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:36] Karark|away: I don't believe so [07:36] great, i hate fglrx on my 9600pro [07:36] pimp31415: If it's in ubuntu-desktop, it's installed by default. [07:37] As in, on the livecd :) [07:37] RAOF, it wasnt installed - and its not enabled or shown by default [07:37] so i assume thats b/c they didnt wanna lose space [07:37] but tinyirc should be [07:37] SOMETHING [07:38] irc2 even [07:38] !irc2 details [07:38] Sorry, I don't know anything about irc2 details - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [07:38] whats the command ? [07:38] ok now for dual mons [07:38] btw the hptools worked perfectly - first ubuntu distro for this printer [07:38] well gotta check scanner but not right now [07:38] Um. I've lost you. Weren't we talking about python-qt3? [07:38] yesa [07:38] and its not installed by default [07:38] but when i did and got that hplip tool working [07:39] [it wouldnt load without the python-qt3 which was not installed by default] [07:40] Oh, so hplip doesn't work without p-qt3? [07:40] ugot it [07:41] try showing it in menu and then running it ^^ [07:41] could be i missed something somehow [07:41] bug time! [07:41] lol [07:41] so how would you recommend i attack dual mons with this ati again? [07:41] MergedFB ? [07:42] yup === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:43] ati opensource and big-desktop don't work :/ [07:43] RAOF, seperate device sections? [07:44] pimp31415: No idea. I've only ever multi-monitored with nvidia [07:44] ha [07:44] now to find a way to get tvout with opensource drivers :( [07:44] Which is nice and easy. And will be more so once nouveau works :) [07:45] anyone have ideas? [07:46] Karark|away: I think you need development drivers. [07:47] xserver-xorg-dev? [07:47] ok brb === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.8.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:49] gah [07:49] cloned screen - i KNOW i did it all right :-: [07:49] :_: *** [07:49] what is the basic status of nouveau [07:50] guess i will give fglrx another chance === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pitfall [n=adept@dau94-8-88-166-31-178.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:58] RoC_MasterMind: 2d works. untextured 3d kinda works [07:59] New, improved, EXA support! [07:59] git libdrm, mesa, and xorg driver! [08:00] what is untextured 3d? [08:00] like 3d bery/compiz effects? [08:01] No. Very much not. [08:02] Compiz is all textures :) [08:02] Like glxgears === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:02] Which works on my 7600 go, until I fullscreen it :) === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Sebastian [n=sb@p50885348.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:11] gah! this is getting annoying [08:11] using big-desktop, i have to do horizontal,reverse since my tv is to my left [08:11] but i cannot get it to make my PC monitor the default screen [08:11] any tips? [08:12] What? It works with the free drivers? Cool [08:12] nah, fglrx :( [08:12] but the firecontrol program is nice for doing TV out [08:12] fglrxcontrol in synaptic === kefkouille [n=adept@dau94-8-88-166-31-178.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:14] RAOF, know how to set which display to default screen? [08:14] No, sorry [08:14] more of an annoyance than anything === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:15] worst in when i get an IM and it spawns over there === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.8.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:27] WOW [08:28] damn it, my GLX apps do not run correctly with this fglrx + big-desktop [08:28] hey that worked [08:28] <<-- pimp etc [08:28] worked GREAT [08:28] the picture is half outside of the window border [08:28] unfortunately the vid card is too limited to do much on the second screen but i'm gonna post the xorg.conf in the thread [08:28] :) [08:28] :) [08:28] Karark|away, dual mons? [08:28] !paste [08:28] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [08:28] masterloki, yea [08:29] got 3d rendering on both mons here [08:29] which was a first [08:29] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29187/ [08:29] using ATI [08:30] so even extra effects works - i get wierd redraw stuff on second mon but i think thats b/c the card is just a 9200 [08:30] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29188/ [08:30] http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=37645&d=1183927899 [08:30] and that's what my GLX apps look like [08:30] try without the fglrx [08:30] i wasn't able to [08:30] i'll check your xorg.conf and see whats up [08:31] it's s-video out, BW [08:31] BTW* === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:31] yeah same kinda redraw stuff [08:31] Option "MonitorLayout" "crt, CRT" # LVDS = Laptop Screen, TMDS = DVI Port, CRT = VGA Port NOT MONITOR TYPE! [08:31] what would i use for s-video here [08:31] what i had to change from the guide was the bit where in mine its crt, crt [08:32] lets find out :) [08:32] hehe [08:32] not sure it has the option [08:32] i'll give it a go, though [08:32] try none [08:32] literally [08:32] ok [08:32] ' none ' [08:33] Option "MonitorLayout" "none, CRT" [08:33] ? [08:33] or just none altogether [08:33] default is auto, auto [08:33] but yes [08:33] you might need to swap those tho [08:33] play with the two diff ways [08:33] ok [08:33] crt means vga out [08:33] right [08:34] tmds == dvi etc [08:34] :) [08:34] i'm interested b/c we put this on the tv once in a while [08:35] ok, here we go [08:38] ah [08:38] might be TV [08:38] yeah i think tv [08:38] go figure >_< === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-6f98e52577ee5079] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:41] Karark|away, actually [08:41] with a bit more looking [08:41] damn [08:41] i think its TV === frying_fish [n=frying_f@ACCFB2C0.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:41] really? [08:41] >__< [08:41] well there are some threads about svideo in ubuntuforums that show tv [08:42] but with mergeFB? [08:42] i know big-desktop does it [08:42] no clue man [08:42] its just a vid type [08:42] yea [08:42] remember both mons need to be same resolution i think [08:42] unless you do diff sections for each [08:43] which might be xinerama? no clue [08:44] me neither, trying something else [08:45] beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011 [08:46] really really need some emerald-themes here :_: === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-627945e0d012033b] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:47] getting close [08:47] good :) [08:47] whats the current symtoms? [08:47] got a clone on TV but it's wacked [08:47] i would have beryl working on duals if it wernt for the em themes [08:48] wierd lines? [08:48] try reducing the shared resolutions way down [08:48] super skinny and displayed 3 times [08:48] 600x480 on both === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:50] still garbled [08:51] GConf backend: There is an unsupported value at path /apps/compiz/plugins/wobbly/screen0/options/friction. Settings from this path won't be read. Try to remove that value so that operation can continue properly. === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:54] i just cannot get the damned TV to display properly [08:54] but it looks fine with GDM is not running [08:56] hm [08:56] are you still using that fglrx ? [08:56] try radeon or ati [08:56] ati [08:56] i can get another screen with fglrx [08:56] hey anyone know how to force emerald and emerald themes in? [08:56] but not run GLX apps because the rendering is moved over in a weird way [08:57] mm [08:57] sorry i dont know enough about your problem or this in general [08:57] nvidia - worx great of course [08:57] >_< [08:58] yea i know [08:58] but my nvidia card looks like crap with the svideo [08:58] huh [08:59] that nvidia just works [08:59] well keep at work on it [08:59] and start a thread in the forums [08:59] www.ubuntuforums.org === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:59] i've posted on a thread about big-desktop [08:59] seems to be an active thread [08:59] heh [08:59] hm [08:59] i wonder if i grab the emerald themes from somewhere or other and force in.. [08:59] guess i could try xinerama [09:00] gah i'll prolly break stuff beyond repair [09:00] breaking stuff is half the fun ;) [09:00] lets leave it till repos get happier [09:00] my system, sure [09:00] his not so much [09:00] lol [09:00] ah ok [09:01] i could try compiling.... [09:01] YARITE [09:01] i'll let it go for a bit [09:01] tho i wonder if there is a way to reverse make the package from my system [09:02] i bet there is somehow === RxDx [n=Rodrigo@201-74-146-201-sj.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr_ [n=wfarr@adsl-219-32-90.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mloki_ [n=mloki@75.80.8.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dwa [n=duwial@hq.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:14] ok well [09:14] for the record and all [09:14] i added feisty to repos for a bit and installed emerald stuff from there [09:14] technicallly its working [09:14] XD [09:14] ew [09:14] now to disable it [09:14] that will probably break soon [09:15] Hobbsee, i had to do something - beryl wouldnt run right without heliodore or emerald-themes [09:15] neither of which could be installed === wfarr__ [n=wfarr@adsl-215-154-167.aep.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:15] tho the compiz.real worked i wanted something from beryl - this vid card cant really handle either on duals [09:15] barely on single mon so w/e === Karark|away [n=blake@planeshift/player/Karark] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eagles0513875 [n=jonathan@88.203.73.158] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:19] Hobbsee: hey i got a question for ya [09:20] shoot [09:21] when u turn the volume down to 0% do u still get audio coming out === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:21] yes [09:21] ok at least im not the only one [09:21] although i think i saw a bug report where someone didnt [09:21] sorry, no [09:22] ok so im not going to report it again === sen3 [n=sen@192.42-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:26] whats the deal with all those packages that have been held back === thekorn [n=thekorn@130.75.237.154] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dana1 [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Bubble [i=Bubble@unaffiliated/bubble] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _eMaX_ [n=emax@gprs01.swisscom-mobile.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:43] eagles0513875: there are depends issues once everything is built against new libept they will be realesed (as far as i knowadept is blocking libept once that is fixed than they can be built against it and uploaded [09:45] kool. [09:45] i was just wondering === vega- [n=mikko@lotus.puolikuu.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:47] since apt is sort of important it should get done while sprint week is going on (but im not there so i cant say it will for sure) [09:47] lol [09:47] r u refering to that apport thing that i reported [09:47] gnomefreak: well, i've uploaded the last version, and am not at the sprint... [09:48] Hobbsee: yeah i saw that yesterday but apt wont go through without libept [09:48] libept is broken too? will have to look later === Hobbsee --> out [09:49] Hobbsee: im assuming that is why apt and apt-utils is not upgrading (apt wants to remove all important apps [09:49] Hobbsee: what happend to that apport problem i filed [09:49] gnomefreak: you're incorrect [09:49] i am? [09:49] gnomefreak: well, in so far as it's not libept - it's libapt [09:49] ah [09:49] lol [09:49] everything installing related needs a rebuild against the new apt [09:50] which is pointless, until the version of apt in bzr is in the archive ,and builds on all arches [09:50] anyway, really out this time. [09:51] ubuntu5 is in the archive :( [09:51] lol [09:51] im not much help [09:51] im working on a kubuntu based project of my own with 2 other people atm [09:51] working on developing it [09:52] actually the planning phase atm [09:52] then devellopment [09:52] gnomefreak: u know the gpl rather well [09:53] hmm maybe i will ping one of the guys at sprint and see what is going on afaik ubuntu5 is in bzr [09:53] eagles0513875: eh [09:53] lol [09:53] j/w if i were to take kubuntu and make another dirivative but call it a different name would that violate the gpl [09:54] eagles0513875: depends on the name [09:55] eagles0513875: but yes you should beable to [09:55] ok [09:55] sweet [09:55] u know much programming gnomefreak [09:55] eagles0513875: some not so much alot === corevette [n=corevett@adsl-75-18-204-208.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:56] may i pm ya gnome [09:57] eagles0513875: yeah ill answer as soon as i get back (getting coffee and a smoke) [09:57] ok === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.8.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:32] Hmmm, hello everyone. how is gutsy looking right now? [10:33] for me so far so good [10:33] only one peculiarity though [10:33] lol === pvandewyngaerde [n=pvandewy@171.52-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dendrobates [i=rclark@nat/canonical/x-fb129e3ec0e44e16] has joined #ubuntu+1 === spikeb [n=spikeb@71-83-32-155.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === moky [n=lolo@bur-claessens.math.ucl.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === charles__ [n=charles@85.sub-70-216-75.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:59] hello [10:59] I've a problem with the internet connection of KGutsy Tribe2 [10:59] it only accepts eth2 [10:59] so I am unable to connect [11:00] I do not have the problem with kgutsy upgraded from kfeisty [11:00] moky: n-m is screwed up in gutsy atm [11:02] moky: file a bug and wait for it to get fixed [11:02] ok. Thanks [11:02] What do I have to precise in my bug report ? [11:03] I am not used to fill bug report and I want to do it correctly [11:04] moky: the problem, expected results, what results you are getting version of ubuntu, version of network-manager and anything else that you would see as important (errors you get when you try differnet things) === vlt [n=dm@port-87-234-95-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:05] For the versions of software, can I just say "tribe2 live-CD" ? [11:06] moky: are you using livecd or installed? [11:06] both [11:06] right now I am using a upgrade from feisty. It works [11:07] but the live-cd presents the bug as well as the installed version (at least woth tribe1) [11:07] moky: version of network-manager == apt-cache poilcy network-manager for gutsy release just say you are using gutsy it is than assumed you are up to date === Ronald [n=ronald@a80-126-244-56.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:09] I cannot be up to date because I have no network ;) [11:09] moky: well than you would need to tell them when you lost your net access [11:10] when performing a fresh install of Gutsy === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === valehru [n=valehru@219.142.239.13] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:14] hmmm, ok, where is my adept? [11:20] jussi01: its there unless you upgraded apt [11:20] hmmm, i havent upgraded for a few days... but maybe i did [11:20] havent booted gustsy since saturday.. [11:21] jussi01: you would have to know if you upgraded it since its held back you would have gave the install command [11:21] jussi01: sudo apt-get update [11:21] ok, i only have used the adept updater.. [11:21] jussi01: than try upgrade apt-apt-utils and others should be held back [11:22] huh? [11:23] jussi01: run sudo apt-get update than run sudo apt-get upgrade. the above packages should be in held back [11:23] adept will still be installed unless you upgraded those packages. do not force an upgrade or try to install those packages === moky [n=lolo@bur-claessens.math.ucl.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:24] oh crap [11:24] it only held back libcurl 3 and 4 [11:25] is it gonna die now? === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:25] elkbuntu: wb! [11:26] jussi01: libvurl has issues see /topic === thekorn_ [n=thekorn@130.75.237.154] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:26] jussi01, did the netsplit 2hrs ago ever unsplit? [11:27] elkbuntu: i dont think so [11:27] elkbuntu: no [11:27] elkbuntu: ubotu is still gone... [11:27] ok then, there's 66 poor suckers in #ubuntu over on the other server [11:27] gnomefreak: just what... (end of /topic)? [11:27] hehe... poor them [11:27] :P [11:28] elkbuntu: at least they have ubotu to keep them company... :P [11:28] oh good question [11:28] ill fix it in a moment [11:29] hehe, thanks :) === mode/#ubuntu+1 [+o gnomefreak] by ChanServ === ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:gnomefreak] : The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing and the like. | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, there are libcurl* and apt issues ATM. === mode/#ubuntu+1 [-o gnomefreak] by ChanServ [11:30] heh... what was it going to say? [11:31] jussi01: freenode set it so there is no telling [11:32] freenode is having issues today [11:32] I noticed [11:33] hmmm, question, is mesa the best driver for intel 915? or is there some intel driver i should be installing...? === Toma- [n=e17@203-217-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:34] that is the intel driver [11:34] they don't make silly proprietary drivers [11:34] ok... Im just getting issues with tremulous [11:35] as long as you mean mesa, not vesa :P [11:35] crdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29195/ [11:35] thats the out put when i start in terminal [11:36] jussi01, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log [11:38] crdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29196/ [11:40] well I thought gutsy used the newer intel driver (not i810) [11:40] but it's working [11:40] jussi01, pastebin this: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo [11:41] crdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29198/ [11:41] ah there's the problem [11:42] yes, i just saw that... [11:42] sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri [11:42] and if it's installed --reinstall it [11:42] installing [11:42] :) [11:43] ok, trem works now! [11:43] thanks a lot! [11:43] any idea why that didnt install the first time around? [11:44] well at least for a while they were going to leave off libgl1-mesa-dri [11:44] because of space concerns [11:44] oh [11:44] ok then [11:44] because they didn't realize -glx wasn't enough by itself apparently [11:45] ok, so they are fixing it? [11:45] or do I need to file a bug? [11:45] afaik it's fixed [11:45] ok :) [11:45] and they're certainly aware of it :) [11:45] excellent [11:45] well, Im off to play some trem.... 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[01:33] SeveredCross: apt ios being held back in gutsy [01:34] SeveredCross: everything needs to be built on new libapt [01:34] Bah. [01:34] I could've sworn Hobbsee told me that was going to be fixed with 0.7.2ubuntu6. [01:34] SeveredCross: apt maybe but the other apps myabe not [01:35] Bah. [01:35] Well, it's weird, because doesn't the apt package provide libapt-pkg-libc6-blah-blah? [01:35] there are about 10-20 apps that need rebuild on new libapt [01:35] Oh, and synaptic and aptitude are looking for the wrong version of apt. [01:35] Gotcha. [01:35] Err, libapt. === acuster [n=acuster@195.154.69.93] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:40] Hmm. [01:40] I got aptitude back. [01:40] And tasksel and ubuntu-minimal. 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[05:20] gworkspace-apps-wrappers in universe Infecto ? [05:20] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=acroread&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i386 [05:21] mrsno__: a sry === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FDC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:29] i install it but it not contain acroread [05:29] :) === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-69-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Pumpernickle is now known as Pumpernickel [05:42] ubuntu-laptop-mode wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop. === Toma- [n=e17@203-217-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|Laptop [n=Ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:46] DanaG: because it conflicts ubuntu-laptop-mode === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald [n=Ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ke- [n=kenneth@port272.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu+1 === compengi_ [n=compengi@85.112.67.128] has joined #ubuntu+1 === akrus [n=akrus@62.140.224.26] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === donspaulding [n=don@74-134-9-210.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:15] Hello all, I'm running gutsy on my new T61, and I don't have any sound. The current version of the alsa-driver is 1.0.14, which can be patched to provide support for my chipset, but the patches exist in CVS version of the driver. [06:15] My question is, will there be any updates beyond 1.0.14 to the alsa-driver before gutsy releases? === donspaulding says "current version of the alsa-driver" == "current version of the alsa-driver in gutsy repos" === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === teratoma [n=teratoma@twinlark.arctic.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-22-93.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jhutchins_lt [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jhutchins_lt [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Oops.] === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-22-93.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jhutchins_lt [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jhutchins_lt [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Oops.] === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-22-93.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald [n=ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === SaltyMule [n=Miranda@pool-151-204-152-91.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:46] can I get help here? [06:46] SaltyMule see topic , but sure [06:47] sorry, just trying to find the ubuntu help channel [06:52] Anyone know if the alsa-driver will be updated again before gutsy releases? [06:54] SaltyMule try #ubuntu for general support === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-226-220.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:57] Thanks, but no one was answering my questions [07:12] someone gonna fix apt one day? 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[07:47] I'm just gonna make a nice clean make.log [07:49] Are you trying to compile the daily cvs download (remember its against wireless-git) === vicox_ [n=vicox@p5498653A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:49] I've tried the latest from ralinktech, and from serialmonkey (beta4) [07:50] neither of those are rt2x00 [07:50] the legacy ones are not the rewrite [07:51] (feisty uses the mac80211 ones anyway) [07:51] s/feisty/gutsy [07:52] ok so i can accept maybe I don't know what I'm doing... === Tomcat__ [n=tomcat@p5B15D27B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === vicox [n=vicox@p5498653A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === obsethryl [n=cball@unaffiliated/obsethryl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zambezi [i=Hideit@bnc.from.tx-shells.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-226-220.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Kill_X [i=kill_x@p54A170AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === joetheodd [n=joe@dpc674776052.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hggdh [n=hggdh@130.sub-70-218-39.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === linxeh [n=linx@88-96-202-38.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rotarychainsaw [n=bj@c-76-99-52-156.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === frying_fish [n=frying_f@ACD766AF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === joumetal [n=jouni@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Frost^ [n=sweiss@DSL217-132-223-133.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zambezi [i=Hideit@bnc.from.tx-shells.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pitfall [n=adept@dau94-8-88-166-31-178.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.165.163.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dr_evil [n=dslflat@f048239080.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === MugginsM [n=jennyj@69.55.232.10] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.165.163] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-143-235-27.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pitfall [n=adept@dau94-8-88-166-31-178.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === alex-weej [n=alex@dyn1241-74.vpn.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Sneakyfox [n=dsafsa@port330.ds1-noe.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === otix [n=otis@dsl081-234-005.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === otix [n=otis@dsl081-234-005.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === alex-weej_ [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu+1 === acuster [n=acuster@pro75-1-82-67-202-232.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hggdh [n=hggdh@130.sub-70-218-39.myvzw.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Cwiiis [n=cwiiis@82-43-46-194.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tretle [n=tretle@213-202-173-99.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === conn [n=conn@83.141.127.50] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:27] hi, has anyone with an intel graphics chipset tried the EXA AccelMethod in Xorg? If you have, can you also get compiz working properly? === grumpymole [n=warren@c58-109-125-122.lowrp2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:27] conn, I'm pretty sure that XAA is still a far better AccelMethod [10:28] crdlb, hard to explain, but very soon it will work better than XAA, as soon as xserver-xorg-core is updated, it will have smooth scrolling with compiz... [10:29] crdlb, Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" - this will make EXA rendering as fast as XAA for the moment === kefkouille [n=adept@dau94-8-88-166-31-178.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:29] cool [10:30] crdlb, you'd be doing me a big favour if you can verify that compiz works with exa [10:30] I cannot :/ [10:30] ok [10:30] not running gutsy atm, and I don't have an intel chip :P [10:31] ok :) === joumetal [n=joumetal@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:40] added Option exa in xorg.conf and x works with i815 [10:42] compiz works too. [10:42] joumetal, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i exa [10:43] if exa isn't supported, it'll revert to xaa without failing - I'm not sure if the i815 chipset supports exa yet [10:43] it doesn't give anything [10:46] joumetal, you're probably using xaa, then [10:46] yes it is. [10:47] anyway thanks for testing it, I appreciate it :) [10:47] exa works very nicely on my r200 based ati === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:51] h3sp4wn, yep and when the rest of the aiglx-zero-copy-tfp patches are applied to xorg, scrolling will be much better for you with compiz [10:52] unfortunately on my intel graphics, exa is causing compiz to crash :( [10:53] conn: I don't care about compiz (in any way shape or form) just the rendering quality difference was the reason I used it [10:53] h3sp4wn, quality? The only difference is performance and memory usage [10:54] that counts as quality [10:54] bugs aside, xaa and exa should render things identically [10:54] conn: well they didn't at that point on my card === dr_evil [n=dslflat@f048228012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:54] lamalex, yep I'd agree, as long as that was the intended meaning and not "visual" quality [10:57] conn: It doesn't look identical (at least in real use) [10:57] h3sp4wn, interesting... what looks different? [10:57] conn: fonts are just alot clearer with xterm [10:58] (Its only xterm as well urxvt and anothers I tried didn't have the same effect) [10:59] that's interesting, but I somehow doubt it... all font rendering (subpixel or otherwise) is done by freetype/cairo, if it looks different, I guess there's a bug in XAA for your card, but I gotta say, that's unlikely. EXA is the buggy architecture at the moment [10:59] on another laptop I had, there was a lot of corruption with EXA, but XAA was perfect [11:00] With exa I can get it to look like xaa [11:00] by disabling xrender === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Disablez [i=ircap8@87.119.153.240] has joined #ubuntu+1 === calc [n=ccheney@217.207.76.231] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mirak [n=mirak@m60.net81-64-221.noos.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tretle [n=tretle@213-202-173-99.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pvandewyngaerde [n=pvandewy@73.23-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === astinus [n=alex@gentoo/developer/astinus] has joined #ubuntu+1 === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Poul^Laptop [n=raider@0x50a692a6.hrnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === mirak [n=mirak@m60.net81-64-221.noos.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:00] YAY SOMEONE FIXED APT! [12:00] ^_^ [12:00] jeeepa [12:00] libcurl? [12:00] :P [12:00] I think so. [12:00] yeay [12:00] I did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it did everything. [12:00] Actually...wait.. [12:00] Maybe not. === drekko_ [n=drekko@c-9109e555.03-24-73746f11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:01] awe [12:01] No, no libcurl. [12:01] OO.org didn't install. [12:01] Yeah, OO.org is still down for the count. [12:01] is the libcurl package comming up in update manager for you at all? [12:01] Still, ubuntu-desktop installs fine though. [12:01] Hmm, nope [12:02] did you install libcurl three [12:02] Yep. [12:02] I have 7.16.2-ubuntu4 === drekko [n=drekko@c-9109e555.03-24-73746f11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:02] Err, 2-6ubuntu4 [12:02] However libcurl4 requires 2-6ubuntu3 [12:02] because before I installed warsow, which installed libcurl3 and uninstalled 4 and open office the new libcurl4 package was showing up in update manager [12:02] Which is a totally retarded way to do dependencies [12:03] you couldnt select it though [12:03] Hmm... [12:03] Yeah, I have the same issue. [12:03] It's because it can't figure out how to install libcurl4 === kefkouille [n=adept@dau94-8-88-166-31-178.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:03] Since libcurl4-blah depends on exactly libcurl3-7.16.2-6ubuntu3 but libcurl4 is -6ubuntu4 [12:03] Err, libcurl 3 is .... [12:05] so they lied when they said backwards compatable [12:05] IMHO, it's a situation of somebody fucked up the package. [12:06] libcurl was upgraded... [12:06] There's no reason why it should be specifically dependent on 6ubuntu3 and not work with 6ubuntu4. [12:06] in debian [12:06] PriceChild: Try installing OO.org and you'll see what we're talking about. [12:06] ubuntu took the changes [12:06] debian realised the api had changed in ways they thought wouldn't [12:06] so they reverted [12:06] we still haven't reverted... [12:07] patience and an updated libcurl3 and things will be sorted ) [12:07] so we arnt actually going to use libcurl4 in gutsy? [12:08] is it safe to remove libcurl4 ? [12:08] it will require a lot more tweaking of other packages to use libcurl4 [12:08] libcurl4 itself isn't "broken"... no need to remove it === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:11] a few days ago i got this http://pietervandewyngaerde.googlepages.com/updatewrong.png now i get this http://pietervandewyngaerde.googlepages.com/update10-07.png looks o lot better now === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-215-154-167.aep.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.100.214] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:24] How unstable is Gutsy right now? I mean does it crash after 5 seconds or does it give you time to check your E-Mail first? [12:24] neoncode, don't use gutsy [12:24] I wouldn't say it's exactly unstable. [12:24] it is alpha, for developers and bug triagers etc. [12:24] But it's a bit broken. [12:24] if you want to read your email === pvandewyngaerde [n=pvandewy@73.23-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Karark is now known as Karark|away [12:25] PriceChild: I know, But I don't plan to use it exclusively. [12:25] then use feisty [12:25] !away > Karark|away [12:26] use feisty [12:26] the fact that you're even asking about it suggests you shouldn't [12:26] I'm just wondering how broken it currently is. === eagles0513875 [n=jonathan@88.203.73.158] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:27] i use gutsy as my daily os [12:27] same here [12:27] but i just surf'n'chat [12:27] lol [12:28] i like always trying new stuff === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-65-46-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:28] lol im tryign to even find some more people than what i already have to develop a new kubuntu version