[12:57] <Redimere> hey all
[12:58] <Redimere> whose alive?
[01:01] <Redimere> I can't find the Restricted Drivers thing through the menu, anybody know the command in terminal to start it?
[01:06] <Redimere> Beuller?
[01:07] <nixternal> !ops
[01:07] <ubotu> Help! somerville32, maxamillion, TheSheep, crimsun, Gloubiboulga, Nalioth, Seveas, tonyyarusso,  PuMpErNiCkLe, apokryphos or gnomefreak
[01:07] <nixternal> when one of you come about, I will inform you
[01:08] <Jester45> Redimere, are you using feisty (its the only version with it)
[01:08] <nalioth> nixternal: we are always around
[01:08] <Redimere> I might be, I honestly don't know. I installed 6.06LTS at first, then used the update manager to go to 6.10 and then feisty to make my sound work.
[01:09] <nixternal> nalioth: that sucapulli guy who just left has hit #kubuntu and #ubuntu and I figured he would be in here doing the same
[01:09] <nalioth> we'll see
[01:09] <Redimere> Is there a good way to tell?
[01:14] <Redimere> Jester45: ?
[01:15] <Jester45> Redimere, xubuntu feisty fawn 7.04 is the only version that has the restricted driver manager
[01:15] <Redimere> yes, and I did the FAQ to install feisty
[01:15] <Redimere> I'm not sure if the upgrade kicked in or not. Is there a good way to tell?
[01:16] <Redimere> Err... How-to
[01:16] <Redimere> not FAQ. >.>
[01:16] <Jester45> Redimere, look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:16] <Jester45> and see what version
[01:17] <Redimere> Feisty
[01:18] <Jester45> humm
[01:18] <Jester45> ii cant tell you the command as i removed it from my menu
[01:18] <Jester45> but there is a command there is a command for everything
[01:18] <Redimere> Right, but damned if I know what it is
[01:18] <Redimere> because I lost my gnome start button somehow... and I dunno how to put it back
[01:19] <vidd> what are you looking for?
[01:19] <Redimere> Restricted Driver's manager
[01:19] <vidd> Jester45, what command?
[01:20] <vidd> ok....one sec
[01:21] <Jester45> look in the /usr/share/applications/ folder and find a .desktop file that sounds like the right one. then run cat /path/to/file.desktop | grep Exec
[01:22] <Jester45> that might be it
[01:22] <vidd> Redimere, gksudo restricted-manager
[01:23] <Jester45> i would of got it... if i didnt remove mine
[01:23] <Redimere> lol shit happens
[01:23] <Redimere> but that isn't working. Do you know what the package is called?
[01:23] <vidd> restricted-manager
[01:24] <vidd> what are you  trying to do?
[01:24] <Redimere> enable my damn graphics card
[01:24] <Redimere> hmm
[01:24] <Redimere> it didn't like it when I asked for that package.
[01:25] <vidd> what it say?
[01:25] <Jester45> !info restricted-manger
[01:25] <vidd> Redimere, if you want to LOAD a driver, then sudo modprobe [driver] 
[01:25] <ubotu> Package restricted-manger does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:26] <Jester45> !info restricted-manager
[01:26] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 300 kB
[01:26] <Redimere> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[01:26] <Redimere> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[01:26] <Redimere> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[01:26] <Redimere> or been moved out of Incoming.
[01:26] <Redimere> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[01:26] <Redimere> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[01:26] <Redimere> that package should be filed.
[01:26] <Redimere> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[01:26] <Redimere> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:26] <Redimere>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb: Conflicts: openoffice.org-core (>= 2.0.5) but 2.2.0-1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[01:26] <Redimere>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-za: Conflicts: openoffice.org-core (>= 2.0.5) but 2.2.0-1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[01:27] <Redimere> now, I'm a newb, but I'm pretty sure Openoffice has NOTHING to do wiht restricted drivers
[01:27] <vidd> oh man....your apt-get is fried!
[01:27] <Jester45> hehe it doesnt
[01:27] <Redimere> but it can't be lol, I've been using it this whole time and it hasn't given me a hiccup yet
[01:27] <vidd> was this an upgrade or clean install?
[01:27] <Redimere> it was an upgrade
[01:27] <Jester45> but all the dependacies have to be met  for ALL packages before new ones can be installed
[01:27] <vidd> it shows
[01:28] <Redimere> well, I followed the xubuntu upgrade thinger...
[01:28] <vidd> do this:
[01:28] <vidd> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[01:28] <Redimere> works
[01:28] <vidd> this will fix that upgrade messing up your apt issue
[01:29] <Redimere> but I don't even know what language za stands for lol
[01:29] <vidd> me either
[01:29] <Jester45> !za
[01:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about za - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:29] <Jester45> darn
[01:29] <Redimere> curses, foiled again
[01:29] <Redimere> all this for CS... jesus.
[01:30] <vidd> cd?
[01:30] <vidd> cs?
[01:30] <Redimere> Counter-Strike
[01:30] <Redimere> Went from 6.06 to fiesty because I accidentally broke my sound card
[01:30] <Redimere> and somewhere in the mix that got fixed, but my ATI drivers got blown to hell
[01:30] <Redimere> Now I have to upgrade Openoffice to fix my video drivers
[01:30] <Redimere> God I love linux.
[01:31] <vidd> Redimere, did you bypass edgy altogether?
[01:31] <Redimere> Nope, Dapper to Edgy to Fiesty
[01:31] <Jester45> yuck
[01:32] <Redimere> that bad, eh?
[01:32] <Jester45> dapper to edgy was a bad thing :) they might have fixed it
[01:32] <Jester45> if they didnt fix it your lucky you can boot
[01:32] <Redimere> well, that was a tricky situation
[01:33] <Redimere> X got really mad at me.
[01:33] <Redimere> I still can't run a second Xserv
[01:33] <vidd> its a LEARNING experience
[01:34] <Redimere> :P I installed linux so it'd be a hobby, not so it would work perfectly all the time
[01:35] <Jester45> it works perfectly all the time for me (with very little problems)
[01:36] <vidd> it has ALWAYS worked for me....not always the way i expected....but it always worked....
[01:36] <Redimere> lol
[01:36] <vidd> like when put a spelling error in my sudoers file.....
[01:36] <Redimere> same here, I just like refining it to the point where I stop noticing I'm running my PC not on windoze
[01:37] <Redimere> okay, wtf
[01:37] <vidd> it worked as it should....it locked up sudo and i had to drive into work to fix it
[01:37] <vidd> Redimere, now what?
[01:37] <Redimere> apt-get installed TOTEM when I told it to install open-office
[01:37] <vidd> just relax
[01:38] <Redimere> I am relaxed
[01:38] <Redimere> if I wasn't relaxed I'dve thrown something by now
[01:38] <vidd> its probably a dependency (for what i dont know)
[01:38] <vidd> but these tings have a way of working themselves out
[01:38] <Redimere> Yar
[01:39] <vidd> you COULD drop back 10 yards and punt....
[01:39] <Redimere> That's what my mom's cat is for.
[01:39] <Redimere> I love my computer.
[01:39] <Jester45> you could try apt-get check
[01:39] <Redimere> she's doing fine now, just need to get another damn dependency
[01:39] <Redimere> and it should work.
[01:40] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove x11-common && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install {x}ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <rolfen> xfce is cool
[01:40] <Redimere> O.o; what's that gonna do to Banshee?
[01:41] <Redimere> rolfen: I concur
[01:41] <vidd> that rips out all gui stuff, cleans out unneeded dependencies, and installs the gui clean
[01:42] <vidd> and leaves config files intact
[01:42] <rolfen> !info Banshee
[01:42] <ubotu> banshee: Audio Management and Playback application. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.1+dfsg-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2105 kB, installed size 6204 kB
[01:42] <Redimere> My computer's name is Banshee
[01:42] <Redimere> ...
[01:42] <vidd> Redimere, you just re-install it
[01:42] <Redimere> right-o
[01:42] <rolfen> ah ok lol
[01:42] <vidd> oh....
[01:42] <Redimere> lol sorry 'bout the confusion
[01:43] <Redimere> it's just easier saying Banshee then My computer. Otherwise I'd get confused, and Spectre would get jealous.
[01:43] <vidd> that is the way i upgraded my newest system from dapper to fiesty
[01:44] <Redimere> mmkay, do I need to reboot all the way to make the enabled driver work? or will rebooting X suffice.
[01:44] <vidd> Redimere, you sound like a true sysadmin...already got a naming system!
[01:44] <Redimere> The comps at school are King Arthur's knights
[01:44] <vidd> Redimere, just rebooting x should suffice
[01:44] <Redimere> my computers are all named after horrid females renown for screeching and pain and death
[01:44] <Redimere> and my sisters computer has always, and will always, be called sitting-duck
[01:45] <vidd> =] 
[01:45] <Redimere> haha
[01:45] <vidd> my home server is sloth
[01:45] <Redimere> be right back
[01:46] <vidd> once the old lady's comp gets converted it will be "pestilence"
[01:46] <Redimere> noice
[01:46] <vidd> the boy's machine is "death"
[01:46] <cheeseboy> how do i find big files?
[01:46] <Redimere> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[01:46] <Redimere> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[01:46] <Redimere> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:46] <Redimere> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)
[01:47] <vidd> !paste | Redimere
[01:47] <ubotu> Redimere: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:47] <Redimere> mmkay
[01:47] <Redimere> This is starting to bug me, restricted tells me the ATI driver is in use, but flgrx is still hassling me about stupid MESA
[01:47] <vidd> so...desktop looking right now?
[01:48] <Redimere> Apt-get gave me grief again
[01:48] <Redimere> I might just order feisty CDs or something
[01:48] <vidd> Redimere, drop back and punt
[01:48] <vidd> =] 
[01:48] <vidd> need that command again?
[01:48] <Redimere> Yar.
[01:49] <vidd> is that a "yes" or a dismissal?
[01:49] <Redimere> a yes
[01:49] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove x11-common && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install {x}ubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <vidd> replace {x}ubuntu with the appropreate version
[01:50] <vidd> ie xubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <vidd> or ubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <vidd> or kubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <Redimere> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29169/
[01:51] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-l10n-en-za
[01:52] <vidd> then sudo apt-get autoremove
[01:52] <Redimere> oops, just did your whole big command.
[01:52] <Redimere> cheers though, it's removing a gig of something..
[01:53] <Redimere> ...will I dream, dave?
[01:53] <vidd> it will clear out EVERYTHING
[01:53] <vidd> and might fix stuff you didnt know were broken yet
[01:54] <vidd> oh yeah....it will kill your X session too.....
[02:01] <Redimere> Well
[02:01] <Redimere> That was odd.
[02:01] <vidd> oh yeah....it will kill your X session too.....
[02:01] <vidd> =] 
[02:01] <Redimere> I'm aware
[02:01] <Redimere> I'm on my windoze laptop getting very worried my comp isn't doing anything anymore.
[02:02] <vidd> sorry....i thought you were on a different machine
[02:02] <Redimere> I am now lol
[02:02] <Redimere> how long should it take?
[02:02] <vidd> do you have a tty open?
[02:02] <Redimere> a what?
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[02:03] <Redimere> No
[02:03] <vidd> do it now
[02:03] <Redimere> that's what I was gonna deal with next
[02:03] <Redimere> that doesn't work.
[02:03] <vidd> ???
[02:03] <vidd> reboot
[02:03] <Redimere> it puts up a very trippy bunch of colors and bars
[02:04] <vidd> try f2
[02:04] <Redimere> same deal with all of them
[02:04] <vidd> then reboot
[02:04] <Redimere> I was trying to configure steam to run on another xserv and it got mad
[02:04] <Redimere> but it's rebooting now
[02:04] <vidd> have no fear....vidd is here
[02:05] <vidd> =] 
[02:05] <vidd> ive done this b4...many times
[02:05] <Redimere> lol
[02:05] <Redimere> I remember last time I tried to run linux
[02:05] <Redimere> Slackware.
[02:06] <BFTD> Redimere steam as in the gaming steam?
[02:06] <Redimere> Yar.
[02:06] <Redimere> Uh
[02:06] <Redimere> Vidd
[02:06] <Redimere> it's not getting past the splash screen
[02:06] <vidd> yeah?
[02:06] <Redimere> yep.
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[02:07] <Redimere> Nothing from any of them
[02:07] <Redimere> could be a kernel panic
[02:07] <vidd> hrm....
[02:07] <vidd> reboot into recovery
[02:07] <Redimere> Done
[02:08] <Redimere> kay, got a prompt
[02:08] <vidd> apt-get remove x11-common && apt-get autoremove
[02:08] <Redimere> Ohh
[02:08] <Redimere> It was only halfway done with the remove bit
[02:09] <vidd> exactly
[02:09] <vidd> so half the stuff was still there
[02:09] <Redimere> and thus it could only half boot
[02:09] <Redimere> and gets pissy
[02:09] <BFTD> kernel panics show themselves
[02:09] <BFTD> it might of been fscking the HDD\
[02:09] <vidd> btw <ctrl><alt>f?> are tty''s
[02:10] <Redimere> ttys, kay
[02:10] <Redimere> well those didn't work
[02:10] <vidd> that is correct
[02:10] <Redimere> autoremove is instlaling now
[02:10] <rolfen> dude that contrl-alt-f2 is cool but scary i thought i had lost my x session for good
[02:10] <Redimere> lol
[02:11] <Redimere> nope, it's handy when your mucking about in wine
[02:11] <BFTD> HAHA
[02:11] <Redimere> because if that borks, which it will
[02:11] <Redimere> you don't have to nix everything
[02:11] <vidd> or removing x....and everything built on it
[02:11] <Redimere> yeah, about htat.
[02:11] <Redimere> okay, whats the command to make banshee go again
[02:11] <vidd> reboot
[02:11] <Redimere> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[02:11] <vidd> reboot first
[02:12] <vidd> you dont want to be in recovery for this
[02:12] <Redimere> right-o
[02:12] <vidd> it WILL work...but you will need to reboot anyway to get back in your x session
[02:13] <Redimere> really, will it?
[02:13] <Redimere> it's taking an awful long time to reboot ;;
[02:14] <Redimere> I think it hung on the boot process with the little mouse in the wheel and the load bar
[02:14] <vidd> you should not be getting those.....
[02:14] <Redimere> recovery again?
[02:14] <vidd> yeah
[02:15] <Redimere> btw, should my kernel say generic?
[02:15] <vidd> yes
[02:15] <Jester45> vidd, if your upgrade from a older version the splash screen still shows unles you disable it or remove the config for it
[02:15] <Jester45> and the defualt feisty one will replave it (no splash)
[02:16] <Redimere> well either way it wasn't booting period.
[02:16] <vidd> Redimere, from recovery....apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:17] <Redimere> your usre that won't fuck it up?
[02:17] <vidd> positive
[02:17] <vidd> all it is doing is reinstalling the default programs
[02:17] <Redimere> mmkay, I just thought some packages needed to be installed from my directory
[02:18] <vidd> they will....but AFTER your x and apt are working
[02:18] <Redimere> well, apt is throwing an appropriate amount of gobeldy-gook at me
[02:19] <Redimere> which is comforting oddly enough
[02:19] <vidd> lol
[02:19] <Redimere> oh that's just entertaining,  apt just installed itself over itself
[02:20] <vidd> it upgraded itsself
[02:20] <Redimere> well either way it's silly
[02:21] <Redimere> 2.6.20 is the newest kernel, right?
[02:21] <rolfen>  2.6.21-5 afaik
[02:21] <rolfen> but for ubuntu i guess it 2.6.20
[02:22] <Redimere> !2.6.21
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 2.6.21 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <Redimere> !latest kernel
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about latest kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <Redimere> oh fuck you you don't
[02:22] <Redimere> your running on it.
[02:22] <vidd> !linux-image
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-image - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <Redimere> !killself
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about killself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <rolfen> www.linux.org :D
[02:23] <vidd> !linux-kernel
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:23] <Redimere> rolf
[02:23] <Redimere> that'd actually involve me
[02:23] <Redimere> moving the mouse
[02:23] <Redimere> to firefox
[02:23] <Redimere> and then going to that page, when there's a perfectly good bot to harass here.
[02:23] <rolfen> i mean www.kernel.org sorry
[02:23] <rolfen> ok :)
[02:24] <vidd> !the body in the closet
[02:24] <Redimere> oh you just made it mad now.
[02:24] <Redimere> :P
[02:24] <vidd> !the-body-in-the-closet
[02:24] <rolfen> !humour
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about humour - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <Redimere> !lesbians
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lesbians - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <vidd> !the-body-in-the-closet
[02:25] <rolfen> weird
[02:25] <Redimere> come on banshee... just a little bit more..
[02:25] <Redimere> she hangs at like the last half-bar
[02:25] <Redimere> then the video goes screwy and shit flashes
[02:26] <Jester45> maybe its because its banshee :)
[02:26] <vidd> can you get to a tty?
[02:26] <Redimere> she's banshee because she's got a high pitched fan that scares the shit out of my moms cat
[02:26] <Redimere> and no I can't
[02:27] <vidd> hrm....
[02:27] <Jester45> !language
[02:27] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:27] <Redimere> whoops, my bad.
[02:27] <Redimere> but she really does soil herself if I spook her properly
[02:28] <Redimere> Vidd, this isn't looking good...
[02:28] <vidd> Redimere, we want you to dpkgreconfigure xserver-xorg from the recovery....
[02:28] <Redimere> we? and okay.
[02:28] <vidd> something is wrong with your driver
[02:29] <Jester45> vidd, are you becoming like TheSheep
[02:30] <vidd> * dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:32] <Redimere> okay
[02:32] <Redimere> cross your fingers
[02:33] <Redimere> Yaya!
[02:33] <Redimere> We're past the boot screen
[02:34] <vidd> there...now you can do whatever it was you were doing b4
[02:34] <vidd> =] 
[02:34] <Redimere> I actually don't remember
[02:34] <vidd> you were fixing your video and sound
[02:34] <Redimere> no, I as fighting the good fight against wine glitchyness.
[02:35] <Redimere> but sound and video are nice,
[02:35] <vidd> oh...didnt you hear...wine is evil
[02:35] <vidd> =] 
[02:35] <Redimere> duh
[02:35] <vidd> it makes you use windows apps
[02:35] <Redimere> well
[02:35] <Redimere> not apps
[02:35] <Redimere> I just wanna play counterstrike man
[02:35] <Jester45> app then
[02:36] <Redimere> food for thought though
[02:36] <Redimere> my tty's still aren't working
[02:36] <vidd> that is strange
[02:36] <vidd> you are using the 3 keys....
[02:36] <vidd> crtl
[02:36] <vidd> alt
[02:37] <Redimere> ctrl alt f8, then ctrl alt f2
[02:37] <vidd> f-1
[02:37] <Redimere> I recognize the image now though
[02:37] <Redimere> it's my desktop on f7
[02:37] <vidd> ctlr alt f8 is a x session
[02:38] <Redimere> right, but f8, and f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6
[02:38] <Redimere> all of them don't work
[02:38] <vidd> and you have to jump through hoops to be able to show more then one x session
[02:38] <Redimere> which would be dandy
[02:38] <Redimere> except tty isn't showing up either.
[02:38] <vidd> press ctrl alt f1....
[02:38] <vidd> on the blank screen, hit the enter key
[02:38] <vidd> what happens?
[02:39] <Redimere> the screen isn't blank
[02:39] <vidd> what does it say?
[02:39] <Redimere> it's an image of my desktop with screwy resolution and colors
[02:39] <Redimere> and completely static
[02:39] <Jester45> try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:39] <Jester45> it will reboot x
[02:40] <Jester45> you have 2 sessions running
[02:40] <vidd> Jester45, f7 is fine....
[02:40] <Jester45> vidd, but it should kill the F1 also then restart the F7
[02:40] <vidd> ah....
[02:40] <Jester45> *should*
[02:40] <vidd> should he not do that from a terminal in f7 then?
[02:40] <Redimere> by the way
[02:41] <Redimere> the only thing that booted up before I tried F1
[02:41] <Redimere> was GAIM
[02:41] <Redimere> pidgin*
[02:41] <vidd> wow
[02:41] <Jester45> it doesnt matter because it will restart gdm
[02:41] <Redimere> should I wait
[02:41] <vidd> no...do it right away
[02:41] <Redimere> a messed up image with hue colorations popped up on my screen
[02:41] <Redimere> kinda like the one for F1
[02:41] <Redimere> only without icons or windows
[02:42] <Redimere> oop, there it goes I think
[02:42] <Redimere> nope, it rebooted
[02:43] <vidd> and does the tty's work now?
[02:43] <Redimere> Nope.
[02:44] <vidd> Jester45, sounds like that restarted both of them
[02:44] <Jester45> humm
[02:44] <|Slurpee> anyone here have experience with xubuntu usb ?
[02:44] <Jester45> you could kill pid it
[02:45] <Jester45> just pick one and kill it and see witch it was
[02:45] <vidd> Redimere, did you have two sessions open b4?
[02:45] <Redimere> No
[02:45] <Redimere> I only tried once before
[02:45] <Redimere> and I tried it with this .sh
[02:45] <Redimere> #!/bin/bash
[02:45] <Redimere> DISPLAY=:1.0
[02:46] <Redimere> xinit $HOME/steam.sh $* -- :1
[02:46] <vidd> -redcan you UNDO that?
[02:47] <Redimere> I would assume three reboots later it's undone.
[02:47] <vidd> Redimere, can uou UNDO that?
[02:47] <Jester45> Redimere, run top find the 2 xorgs
[02:47] <vidd> no...that is a "run at boot" script
[02:47] <Redimere> I only see one.
[02:47] <Jester45> and their PIDs
[02:48] <Redimere> how do I scroll through top?
[02:48] <vidd> Redimere, sudo apt-get install htop
[02:48] <Redimere> how could it run at boot?
[02:48] <Jester45> vidd your a htop zealot
[02:48] <vidd> cuzz you told it to
[02:49] <Redimere> I don't understand htop, but I only see one process of Xorg in top top
[02:49] <vidd> Jester45, he wants to scroll thru top...htop can do that
[02:50] <Jester45> use the arrow keys on htop
[02:50] <Redimere> am doing so
[02:50] <vidd> top wont let you scroll thru....but if you install htop, htop will work like top and let youscroll thru
[02:50] <Redimere> I don't see anything that looks like Xorg though
[02:50] <Redimere> oop, there's one
[02:51] <Redimere> but only one
[02:52] <teratoma> how do i graphically control volume in Xubuntu ?
[02:52] <Redimere> alsamixer
[02:52] <vidd> teratoma, add the applet
[02:52] <Jester45> alsamixer can. or there is a applet for the panel
[02:52] <Redimere> pfft, who needs applets
[02:52] <teratoma> how do i get something  in 'Applications' into the top taskbar without manually making a launcher ?
[02:52] <Redimere> alsa even has colors!
[02:53] <Redimere> vidd, there's only one Xorg though
[02:54] <Redimere> Jester?
[02:54] <teratoma> teratoma@cremepuff:~$ aumix aumix:  SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK
[02:54] <teratoma> what does that mean?
[02:54] <Redimere> That you like donuts too much and you need to install a sound driver
[02:55] <Redimere> Vidd: can you telnet over or something and take a look?
[02:55] <vidd> uhmmm no....
[02:55] <Jester45> Redimere, ssh is better
[02:55] <teratoma> i think i have a sound driver working, i hear things if i play media with vlc
[02:55] <vidd> i can ssh...but not telnet
[02:55] <Redimere> ssh is fine then
[02:56] <Redimere> I thionk I have the server running
[02:56] <vidd> you need to install a server and add an account for me with sudo rights
[02:56] <vidd> and i need the ip address
[02:57] <Redimere> sudo apt-get install ssh 'll do it, right?
[02:57] <vidd> no..../
[02:57] <vidd> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[02:57] <vidd> ssh is installed by default
[02:58] <Redimere> that's already installed to the newest version
[02:58] <vidd> ok... i need a login and sudo rights and an ip address
[02:59] <vidd> pm them to me
[02:59] <Redimere> erm.. how?
[03:00] <vidd> you dont have your username registered
[03:01] <kbrooks> Hi.  I want Xubuntu, bu I have only the Ubuntu CD, and don't particulary feel like installing Ubuntu and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. what to do?
[03:02] <kbrooks> (I can't burn any CD, no money)
[03:02] <vidd> kbrooks, you have the live or the alt ubuntu?
[03:02] <Pumpernickel> Redimere: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=328751&highlight=fglrx+virtual+console
[03:02] <kbrooks> vidd, only live.
[03:03] <kbrooks> vidd, and i can't burn any CD, no money for CDs
[03:03] <vidd> then no idea
[03:04] <kbrooks> no idea? really? i heard of debootstrap, which can help.
[03:04] <vidd> kbrooks, if you had the alt....i'd say install the  command line only then sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[03:06] <teratoma> does install off of a flash drive keychain work these days?
[03:07] <kbrooks> teratoma, yes.
[03:07] <kbrooks> teratoma, (funny that you call it a keychain, but hey it fits on your keychain, so...)
[03:08] <Pumpernickel> kbrooks: There are a couple of options for non-cd installs. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#head-ca8e337bdfab6bfa1d064371898775fe1e9e22fd
[03:09] <kbrooks> Pumpernickel, just to be clear, i have a Ubuntu 7.04 liveCD.
[03:09] <Pumpernickel> That doesn't convert easily to Xubuntu.
[03:10] <kbrooks> i'll do anything ;-)
[03:12] <vidd> kbrooks, then i recomenfd that you install ubuntu.....the sudo apt-get remove x11-common && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[03:14] <kbrooks> vidd, ok, that's easy enough.
[03:15] <kbrooks> vidd, it will tell me to autoremove so i think i'll remember.
[03:15] <vidd> i think so
[03:15] <vidd> but once its installed...come here and i'll tell ya the command again....
[03:15] <vidd> i always type it as one line
[03:16] <kbrooks> yes, for simplicity ;-)
[03:16] <vidd> well....so i only have to give myu password once
[03:16] <kbrooks> haha
[03:17] <kbrooks> ok, i'll put in & reboot
[03:22] <Redimere> dayum vidd, that's your solution to everything :P
[03:22] <Redimere> blast it all to hell and put it back like it's supposed to be
[03:23] <vidd> no...he only has the live for ubuntu and wants only xubuntu....
[03:23] <Redimere> I know, it's still funny to see one solution used twice, nothing against you of course
[03:24] <vidd> so remove everything gnome (at the lowest common denominator) and rebuild\
[03:24] <Redimere> right
[03:24] <vidd> simple solution for a host of issues
[03:25] <vidd> btw Redimere you can kill that id
[03:26] <vidd> how does one add a ruby script to auto load on a cli-onlyt machine?
[04:02] <Jester45> vidd, rc.local
[04:02] <vidd> so do i edit that?
[04:10] <keb> does anyone know what would cause this set of firewall rules to be created? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29176/
[04:10] <keb> it seems to have started since i upgraded to feisty
[04:12] <keb> every time i reboot those rules are back; the real question is, how to add other rules that will be persistent like those?
[04:15] <keb> i couldnt find anything in /etc/init.d that invokes iptables
[04:26] <vidd> keb .... look here http://del.icio.us/url/8eed90607e7f5ba9eb53ec5af3fbecaf
[04:29] <keb> thanks.  i know how iptables works, i want to know where in xubuntu 7.0.4  that set of rules was created so i can add my own rules without overwriting those assuming they are needed
[04:29] <vidd> oh
[04:33] <keb> it's fun and hairy
[04:34] <vidd> fun?
[04:35] <vidd> making programs stop responding for strange, unknown reasons is fun?
[04:36] <keb> it's building a moat and traps to keep out intruders, like that game Dungeon Keeper
[04:36] <vidd> its so much easier to do it at the router
[04:37] <keb> my router has iptables in it too, being openwrt
[04:37] <vidd> mine to
[04:38] <vidd> but the interface is simple
[04:38] <vidd> forward this port here, forward this port range there
[04:38] <keb> yeah i wish that interface was available in an app in xubuntu
[04:38] <vidd> if it aint listed drop it
[04:38] <vidd> it is....
[04:39] <vidd> !firestarter | keb
[04:39] <ubotu> keb: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[04:39] <keb> i can't stand firestarter
[04:39] <keb> nah i find that too heavy
[05:05] <Redimer1> hey all
[05:06] <Jester45> hi
[05:09] <Redimer1> whats happenin
[05:10] <keb> i'm watching eben moglen's speech to plone, and my firewall logs :P
[05:10] <Redimer1> paranoia much?
[05:10] <keb> hehe
[05:10] <Redimer1> ;P
[05:13] <Redimer1> what's a good avi player
[05:13] <keb> vlc
[05:13] <Redimer1> does it have a package name?
[05:16] <keb> vlc
[05:16] <keb> ;)
[05:17] <Jester45> mplayer-nogui
[05:17] <Redimer1> :P already tried that and it didn't work
[05:17] <keb> yeah i use mplayer too
[05:17] <Redimer1> thanks jester
[05:18] <Redimer1> hey keb, do you play CS?
[05:18] <keb> nope
[05:18] <Redimer1> damnit.
[05:19] <Redimer1> I'm trying to get it to work in wine and it's not happening
[05:19] <Jester45> are you using the newest wine
[05:21] <Redimer1> ayup
[05:24] <Redimer1> if you guys said anything I lost it, CS broke it again lol
[05:26] <Jester45> nope
[05:28] <keb> nothing except the answer to life the universe and everything
[05:29] <Redimer1> aww shit, I missed that in the movie too
[05:35] <rolfen> hey how do you change the sound volume in xubuntu?
[05:36] <kalikiana> rolfen, Either via menu->settings->mixer or you add a panel plugin for that.
[05:38] <rolfen> kalikiana: thanks. Well mixer just brings up a window with a "device" section and a "Useful Controls" section... but nothing that resembles a mixer
[05:38] <rolfen> oh that was mixer settings
[05:38] <rolfen> but i dont see no mixer...
[05:38] <rolfen> anyway il figure something out
[05:39] <kalikiana> rolfen, If you don't have a menu item for mixer, use the panel plugin.
[05:40] <rolfen> kalikiana: i'm trying to find that in synaptic....
[05:40] <Redimere> Hey Jester, I done a bad thing...
[05:40] <Redimere> how do I reinstall X?
[05:40] <kalikiana> *lol
[05:40] <Redimere> I didn't delete it persay
[05:41] <Redimere> just the big one that said X... >.>;
[05:42] <Redimere> anybody? thoughts?
[05:43] <rolfen> Redimere: well maybe using apt-get from the command line...
[05:43] <rolfen> you have to figure out which package to install though
[05:43] <Redimere> yar ;-;
[05:43] <Redimere> synaptic was nice for that sort of thing
[05:44] <kalikiana> Redimere, apt-cache search xserver-xorg ;)
[05:44] <Redimere> shush, I didn't screw up that badly
[05:44] <Redimere> I accidentally wrote a file called x in vi and tried to delete it
[05:45] <Redimere> how was I supposed to know it was THE x
[05:45] <Redimere> >.>;
[05:46] <rolfen> where exactly was this file?
[05:46] <Redimere> etc/x11
[05:47] <rolfen> oh it just a link
[05:47] <Redimere> X still didn't start.
[05:48] <rolfen> maybe you can re-create it with the ln command
[05:49] <rolfen> it's a link to /usr/bin/Xorg
[05:49] <Redimere> oh okies
[05:53] <Redimere> what do you guys think of Enlightenment?
[05:53] <akio> wrong channel
[05:54] <Redimere> zuh?
[05:54] <akio> ask in an enlightenment channel
[05:54] <Redimere> oh, okay
[05:54] <shirish> guys can somebody look at https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-goodies/+bug/124840
[05:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124840 in xfce4-goodies "xfce4-goodies issue because of a virtual package" [Undecided,New] 
[05:54] <shirish> I just reported it, its on 7.10 gutsy gibbon tribe 2
[05:55] <shirish> lemme know if any more info. is needed
[05:56] <Pumpernickel> If the dev the bug is assigned to needs more info, I'm sure s/he'll ask for it.
[05:56] <Redimere> rolfen, how do I make that link?
[05:56] <akio> is there an easy way to get a cleartype effect?
[05:56] <rolfen> Redimere: it's in man ln
[05:56] <rolfen> hold on i l check
[05:57] <rolfen> ln [OPTION] ... [-T]  TARGET LINK_NAME   (1st form)
[05:57] <rolfen> so that should be
[05:57] <Pumpernickel> ln -s /source/file target
[05:58] <rolfen> Redimere: Try this: ln -s /etc/X11/X /usr/bin/Xorg
[05:58] <Redimere> cross your fingers...
[06:00] <rolfen> should work...
[06:01] <Redimere> I wouldn't know yet, I'm being disk checked
[06:01] <Pumpernickel> You have the source and target reversed.
[06:01] <Pumpernickel> Hrm... maybe 'target' isn't the right word.
[06:02] <Pumpernickel> Anyway, the source is the first parameter, and the link to the source is the second.
[06:02] <rolfen> now did we just made things worse?
[06:02] <Pumpernickel> No, since he didn't run that, yet.
[06:02] <Redimere> well, not worse
[06:02] <Redimere> bout the same actually
[06:04] <Redimere> still doesn't work, and I reversed the two
[06:04] <Redimere> Halp!
[06:05] <rolfen> Redimere: are you in command line now?
[06:05] <Redimere> Yus
[06:05] <rolfen> try launching /etc/X11/X and see what happens
[06:06] <Redimere> Fatal Server Error
[06:06] <rolfen> that's all it says?
[06:06] <Redimere> Cannot move old log file ("/var/log/Xorg.0.log" to "/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old")
[06:07] <rolfen> i have no idea what it means
[06:07] <Redimere> Pumper?
[06:07] <Pumpernickel> Dude, you don't launch X directly.
[06:07] <rolfen> oops
[06:07] <Pumpernickel>  /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:08] <Redimere> gave me a big red fail
[06:08] <Pumpernickel> (As root.)
[06:08] <Redimere> Shh! I swear I'm not a noob!
[06:08] <Redimere> okay, it started, now what
[06:10] <rolfen> i have to go... good luck, sorry if i couldnt help
[06:10] <Redimere> no worries m9
[06:11] <Pumpernickel> You should have a GUI login prompt, now.
[06:12] <Redimere> ah, but I don't
[06:12] <Redimere> it says okay, then X doesn't start
[06:12] <Pumpernickel> What happens if you press ctrl + alt + F7?
[06:14] <Redimere> It says the link is bad
[06:14] <Redimere> X: cannot read /etc/X11/X symbolic lin (Invalid Argument)
[06:17] <gregorygreg> hello
[06:17] <gregorygreg> anyone here?
[06:17] <Redimere> Yo
[06:17] <Redimere> What can I do for you
[06:17] <gregorygreg> sup
[06:17] <Redimere> and it's fixed Pump
[06:17] <gregorygreg> um
[06:17] <gregorygreg> how can I view current users on this channel?
[06:17] <Redimere> should be on the side
[06:18] <keb> you can see our nicks, but not us
[06:18] <gregorygreg> hmm
[06:18] <Pumpernickel> Redimere: Ah, good.
[06:18] <gregorygreg> weird
[06:19] <Redimere> I had to use -sf
[06:19] <gregorygreg> alright here's my question
[06:19] <gregorygreg> where do apps go when I minimize them?
[06:19] <gregorygreg> I just alt tab back to them?
[06:19] <Redimere> how do you mean?
[06:20] <keb> you don't see them on your panel?
[06:20] <gregorygreg> alt tab is the only way I can see which applications I have open?
[06:20] <gregorygreg> I just installed xfce over ubuntu
[06:20] <gregorygreg> there are no panels
[06:21] <Redimere> alt tab should work
[06:21] <Redimere> you should configure your desktop by right clicking and going to settings
[06:21] <gregorygreg> aha
[06:21] <gregorygreg> okay
[06:21] <Pumpernickel> gregorygreg: Press alt + F2, enter 'xfce4-panel', and hit enter.
[06:22] <Redimere> He's better at this than I am :P
[06:22] <Redimere> listen to him
[06:23] <greg0rygreg> whoops
[06:28] <greg0rygreg> what is the actual command to run the terminal?
[06:28] <keb> xfce4-terminal
[06:30] <greg0rygreg> thank you
[06:30] <keb> np
[07:26] <Redimer1> hey, anybody know much about sound in Xubuntu?
[07:27] <maxamillion> Redimer1: i know a little, what's up?
[07:27] <Redimer1> I can't get mp3s to play correctly, the voice is much quieter than the music behind it
[07:28] <maxamillion> Redimer1: what music player? or does it happen in multiple music players?
[07:28] <Redimere> It happens in VLC
[07:28] <Redimere> and GxIne just doesn't like me.
[07:28] <maxamillion> Redimere: gxine doesn't like anybody
[07:30] <Redimere> same problem crops up in xmms
[07:30] <maxamillion> Redimere: well first, hit alt+f2 (that will open a run dialog) and type "xfce4-mixer" (without the quotes) and then click the run button ... check the levels in there
[07:30] <Redimere> dunno if it'll like that, i'm running E
[07:31] <maxamillion> Redimere: enlightenment?
[07:31] <Redimere> Yus
[07:32] <Redimere> the mixer worked, but there was only headphone jack sense and a center thinger
[07:32] <maxamillion> Redimere: then i can't entirely promise i would be able to help you ... but to my knowledge xfce4-mixer will interface with the audio device set as default, so just open a terminal and run the command
[07:32] <maxamillion> that's it?
[07:32] <Redimere> Yeah, that's all
[07:32] <maxamillion> interesting
[07:33] <maxamillion> Redimere: try reading up on alsamixer and check your levels in there
[07:34] <Redimere> Master is at 74, PCM is at 84
[07:34] <Redimere> and everything else is off
[07:35] <maxamillion> hrmmm.....
[07:35] <maxamillion> if its just vocal that seems to be the problem it sounds more like you just need an equalizer to be adjusted
[07:35] <maxamillion> Redimere: try changing the audio levels in the equalizer in xmms
[07:36] <Redimere> been tooling around with that, I can make them echo and make it sound silly
[07:36] <Redimere> but I can't get the guitar to quiet down and the voice to raise
[07:36] <maxamillion> that's a tad strange ...
[07:37] <maxamillion> Redimere: i hate to say it, but i'm out of ideas
[07:37] <Redimere> Considering how much works, I think I can suffer with that.
[07:37] <maxamillion> okies
[07:38] <maxamillion> Redimere: you running e17 or e16?
[07:38] <Redimere> e17
[07:39] <maxamillion> Redimere: how's it working for you? ... last time i tried it, it was too unstable for my taste
[07:39] <Redimere> well I haven't been pushing limits
[07:39] <Redimere> but it's gorgeous and it's been working really well
[07:40] <Redimere> looks MUCH better than xfce or gnome could ever hope to
[07:40] <maxamillion> yes, its rather pretty ... i can't deny that, but the fact that the enlightenment devs keep rewriting it is getting annoying
[07:40] <Redimere> lol
[07:40] <maxamillion> they've been developing e17 for 10 years
[07:40] <Redimere> and updating e16 the whole time
[07:40] <Redimere> but whatever they're doing theyre doing well
[07:41] <maxamillion> well i think their biggest fallback is they are too strick on speed ... a decent amount of the code base is inline assembly in the C sources
[07:42] <Redimere> except for a segfault at the beginning, I haven't had any issues with it
[07:42] <Redimere> hell, my movies play better and CS actually runs
[07:42] <Redimere> whether that's E's fault or my own tinkering, I can't tell
[07:42] <maxamillion> Redimere: could be a combination of both
[07:43] <Redimere> more 'n likely
[07:43] <maxamillion> Redimere: i dunno, E is kinda the unicorn of open source ... i use xfce on machines with power and fluxbox on machines that don't
[07:44] <Redimere> maxamillion: this rig isn't for anything other than entertaining me, even if that means it's constantly broken in some way
[07:44] <Redimere> maxamillion: xfce got boring, plus the way they do desktop switching is really handy once you get used ot it
[07:45] <maxamillion> Redimere: oh, well i am currently a computer science college student and i'm currently taking a systems programming summer course ... so system downtime means missing homework ... that doesn't work for me
[07:45] <Redimere> well that's just it, if E breaks you've got xfce to fall back on
[07:46] <maxamillion> Redimere: i will be writting my own system shell next week :)
[07:46] <maxamillion> Redimere: yeah, i guess that would work ... but i just prefer consistency and i think xfce has a clean professional look
[07:46] <Redimere> -smirks- then you haven't seen E
[07:47] <Redimere> it's really minimalistic
[07:48] <maxamillion> Redimere: i have seen E, i saw it 7 years ago, i say it 3 years ago, and i saw it 3 months ago ... its still got a long way to go till stable
[07:48] <Redimere> naturally stability is an issue for me, but my computer's named Banshee for a reason
[07:48] <Redimere> err
[07:48] <Redimere> you*
[07:49] <maxamillion> rgr
[07:49] <Redimere> a buddy of mine in college took operating systems
[07:49] <Redimere> I saw all his code, I cringed. It looks painful'
[07:50] <maxamillion> well i also have an on campus systems admin job for the campus library and i talked my boss into letting me run linux, and downtime really isn't an option there ... especially if i'm in the middle of writting some software for work and E decided it addressed an invalid memory location ..... wouldn't be good
[07:50] <maxamillion> yes, it can be painful
[07:50] <maxamillion> but its alof of fun
[07:50] <maxamillion> alot*
[07:50] <Redimere> I should hope so, I think Ihave to take it next year
[07:50] <maxamillion> Redimere: take operating systems?
[07:50] <Redimere> maxamillion: yessir.
[07:51] <maxamillion> i haven't taken that one yet ... i'm taking systems right now, i have to write a system shell, a replacement for malloc(), and a proxy server
[07:52] <Redimere> maxamillion: I don't think I have to do that. Or if I did i'd wind up having to do it in assembly, which I plan on avoiding
[07:52] <maxamillion> Redimere: oh, i took 2 semesters of assembly ... that wasn't a whole lot of fun, but it paid off when i took compilers
[07:53] <maxamillion> i wrote a compiler in python ... as ironic as that is
[07:53] <maxamillion> but we got to chose what language we wrote it in and python was easier than writting the whole thing in C
[07:53] <Redimere> probably true enough
[07:54] <maxamillion> but we weren't allowed to use alot of built in functions
[07:54] <Redimere> yikes
[07:54] <Redimere> I had to write a banksim with a discrete queue once, that sucked.
[07:54] <maxamillion> so essentially i just got some syntax padding and not having to manage memory for myself
[07:54] <maxamillion> which was nice
[07:54] <Redimere> yar
[07:54] <maxamillion> oh, i teach a class that does that
[07:54] <maxamillion> i'm a TA also
[07:55] <maxamillion> and i teach 2 different courses .... 4 classes total
[07:55] <Redimere> who sleeps these days
[07:55] <Redimere> the annoying thing was the teacher was a dink about it. I got it done without a discrete queue, but he wouldn't accept it
[07:56] <maxamillion> Redimere: i wouldn't either to be honest ... things like bank sims are simple, the point of the assignment is for the student to understand the concept
[07:56] <Redimere> maxamillion: I did understand the concept, I couldn't get the queue to function correctly so I wrote it with a plain queue.
[07:57] <maxamillion> Redimere: well from an instructors stand point, we need to see it in functioning code before we know
[07:57] <maxamillion> Redimere: but i know what you mean ... i've chased bugs in code for days that simulated concepts that i _knew_ and knew well
[07:58] <Redimere> maxamillion: I had him stumped for awhile with a fun error on the first project in java
[07:59] <Redimere> maxamillion: you say something?
[07:59] <maxamillion> java ... java is a good language, nice and safe and has alot of nice features but does seem to throw odd error messages sometimes
[07:59] <maxamillion> Redimere: i did now :)
[07:59] <Redimere> java's nice, it's safe, and it's tough to break legitimately
[08:00] <Redimere> bugs the hell out of me sometimes.
[08:00] <Redimere> unfortunately the only language I have to compare it to is php, and they're not even a little bit the same
[08:00] <maxamillion> yeah, and it the JVM actually performs floating point checking so some of the issues with IEEE floating point representation isn't an issue in java
[08:01] <Redimere> yeah, but adding 2.0 + 2.0 still is an issue
[08:01] <maxamillion> nope
[08:01] <maxamillion> Redimere: how so?
[08:01] <Redimere> maxamillion: if you use a double in addition, you have to round it or it won't be precise
[08:01] <Redimere> it'll be very, very close, but not exact
[08:04] <maxamillion> Redimere: i don't think that's correct
[08:04] <Redimere> maybe not, but I had to lean caching early because of it
[08:04] <maxamillion> caching? ... how does caching have anything to do with a floating point 2.0+2.0?
[08:05] <Redimere> caching or casting
[08:05] <Redimere> I forget the word
[08:05] <Redimere> where you change it from one type to another.
[08:05] <Chikubu> how can i check to see if my swap drive is active?
[08:05] <Chikubu> does swapon -s show the swap partition?
[08:05] <maxamillion> casting
[08:06] <maxamillion> Chikubu: its shows the current usage summary, yes
[08:07] <Chikubu> swapon -s lists nothing...where do i go from here, i have a hda5 partition that is a swap partition, but appearently its not being used
[08:07] <Redimere> http://www.cafeaulait.org/course/week2/12.html
[08:09] <maxamillion> Chikubu: there are a few things you might need to try
[08:09] <maxamillion> Redimere: yes, but that has nothing to do with adding 2.0 + 2.0 ... that example exercises one of the floating point issues still not checked by java
[08:10] <Redimere> that's what I meant
[08:10] <maxamillion> Redimere: what university do you go to?
[08:11] <Chikubu> fstab looks ok and so does resume
[08:11] <Redimere> maxamillion: University of Maine
[08:11] <maxamillion> Redimere: cool cool
[08:11] <Redimere> maxamillion: You?
[08:11] <maxamillion> Redimere: Sam Houston State University ... its in Texas
[08:12] <Redimere> too far south for me.
[08:13] <maxamillion> i've been born and raised here ... i'm used to it
[08:14] <Redimere> i'm really tempted to put linux on my mother's computer and skin it like XP and see if she notices.
[08:15] <maxamillion> Redimere: if you install wine on it ... she probably won't for a while
[08:15] <maxamillion> linux is almost noob friendly enough for my family .... almost
[08:15] <Redimere> it is now anyway
[08:15] <Redimere> my first taste of linux was six years ago with slackware
[08:15] <maxamillion> not for my family ... my father still uses AOL and my mother can't install a printer for herself
[08:16] <Chikubu> so ideas where to start with swap problem?
[08:16] <maxamillion> mine was almost 8 years ago ... it was redhat
[08:16] <maxamillion> Chikubu: yes, sorry ... just a moment
[08:16] <maxamillion> Chikubu: i think there is a link that should walk you through it, i just need to check
[08:18] <maxamillion> Redimere: i haven't allowed any microsoft product to touch a machine i own since then ... its been a long wonderful journey
[08:18] <Chikubu> blkid lists a diffrent uuid than ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid
[08:18] <Chikubu> which i would think is a problem
[08:18] <Redimere> maxamillion: I'dve switched over a long time ago if gaming wasn't so important. Buuut my addiction to WoW forced this on me.
[08:18] <maxamillion> Chikubu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[08:19] <maxamillion> Redimere: ah, i never really gamed ... so i never worried about it, i didn't have time to game ... my mom made me study alot and get a job
[08:19] <Redimere> maxamillion: my mom tried that too. Then her computer stopped turning on
[08:20] <maxamillion> Chikubu: there is a section there about "adding more swap" .. just use that to actually add swap
[08:20] <maxamillion> Redimere: LOL ... well my mom was hard core, she would take the mouse, the keyboard and the power cord anytime i was in trouble and she didn't care about the computer so it didn't bother her that it wasn't functioning
[08:20] <Redimere> maxamillion: I always had backups around
[08:21] <maxamillion> anyhoo... i have to run, i have work in the morning
[08:21] <maxamillion> night all
[08:21] <Redimere> later
[08:21] <Chikubu> i think its a uuid problem because ive been trackig it due to another error an kinit: no resume image problem, and kini: name_to_dev_+(/dev/dis/by-uuid/...problem and a dead gui logon problem
[08:21] <Chikubu> all tied together in a sinster web of bugs
[08:21] <Redimere> it's out to get you
[08:23] <Redimere> give me a month and i'll probably break that, then i'll tell you how to fix it
[08:23] <Chikubu> why would blkid list one uuid and  ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid another uuid?
[08:23] <Redimere> your swap drive is leading a double life?
[08:23] <Chikubu> where is the config file with the wrong data ugg
[08:24] <Chikubu> appears so
[08:24] <Chikubu> after last upgrade all heck broke loose been days tracking the problem
[08:25] <Redimere> have you tried just knocking your computer on it's ass and reinstalling xubuntu-desktop?
[08:26] <Chikubu> not yet
[08:27] <Chikubu> maybe ill just merge the partitions and use a swap file
[08:28] <Redimere> why bother with a swap period?
[08:29] <Redimere> if I recall a swap is just linux virtual memory, if you have enough ram you don't really need a swap
[08:30] <Chikubu> low end system
[08:30] <Redimere> try merging the partitions then just remaking the swap
[08:30] <Chikubu> it barely works with out the swap
[08:30] <Redimere> if drive ident is screwy, nuke it and rebuild
[08:36] <Chikubu> i invest so much time into settings and getting apps stalled, im on a modem, nuking and rebuilding is like pulling teeth
[08:36] <Chikubu> bug this bug chasing is about as bad  *sigh*
[08:53] <echosystm> xfce vs. gnome
[08:53] <echosystm> speed
[08:53] <echosystm> where are we at these days?
[08:53] <Chikubu> would anyone running the latest version of xubuntu type "free | grep Swap" in terminal and see if they too are getting 0 0 0 swap usage?  i think the latest version has killed swap
[08:53] <echosystm> alot of people seem to be saying theres practically no difference now
[09:18] <bart_17> heya hyper_ch
[09:22] <bart_17> heya guys... i have this command that i use in windows "type *.txt >prn" is there a similar command in linux? thanx
[09:23] <TheSheep> cat *.txt > lpr
[09:23] <TheSheep> ugh, wrong
[09:23] <TheSheep> cat *.txt | lpr
[09:25] <bart_17> ok thanx...
[09:27] <bart_17> how about "pkunzip -srcbc *.ar"
[09:27] <ServeTheLinux> hi evr1
[09:29] <TheSheep> bart_17: unzip or zip
[09:29] <bart_17> unzip
[09:29] <TheSheep> bart_17: I think that zip can also unpack under linux
[09:31] <bart_17> thesheep: i made this batch file script:
[09:31] <TheSheep> bart_17: the options may be different, consult the manual
[09:31] <bart_17> ok thanx
[09:32] <bart_17> "pkunzip.exe -srcbc *.ar"
[09:32] <bart_17> "move *.ar c:\ar\backup"
[09:32] <bart_17> can u teach me how to make a similar script in linux?
[09:40] <teratoma> when i mess around with my window taskbars, like "max  " or "min" the window, everything freezes, and i have to reboot
[09:45] <rolfen> hello
[09:46] <rolfen> I'm having trouble setting up the fuse smb thunar thingie
[09:46] <rolfen> cant mount the smb filesystem unless i sudo
[09:47] <rolfen> i did chmod 777 to the mountpoint but it didnt change a thing
[09:53] <Linux4Evr1> hi
[09:53] <rolfen> hello
[10:06] <Merchelo> try chown it
[10:21] <Linux4Everyone> hi
[10:25] <damike> hi
[10:25] <damike> is there a gedit for xubuntu? ;)
[10:26] <TheSheep> mousepad
[10:26] <TheSheep> geany is little more advanced
[10:26] <damike> TheSheep, mousepad has highlighting? ;)
[10:26] <TheSheep> damike: no
[10:26] <TheSheep> damike: if you want exact copy of gedit, use gedit
[10:26] <damike> geany looks cool - thx
[10:29] <damike> TheSheep, a maybe stupid question - if you are using xubuntu long time - is there lots of data waste (old packages) on the system or is xubuntu quite "clean"?
[10:30] <TheSheep> damike: the unneeded packages can be automatically removed
[10:30] <TheSheep> damike: so it's pretty clean
[10:30] <damike> TheSheep, ok :)
[10:31] <TheSheep> damike: the system remembers which packages were installed by you manually, and which ones were installed as dependencies, and can remove the latter when they are no longer needed
[10:31] <damike> TheSheep, also dependencies?
[10:32] <TheSheep> damike: yes
[10:32] <TheSheep> damike: recursively
[10:32] <damike> TheSheep, cool
[10:33] <TheSheep> it has sometimes unwated effects, when you install whole bundles of programs and then wnat to remove only single ones from the bundle
[10:33] <TheSheep> but generally works acceptably well
[10:37] <damike> hmm. apt-get also works - g++ installation was quite simple ;)
[10:49] <TheSheep> damike: that's a feature of apt-get since feisty
[10:49] <TheSheep> damike: that remembering of whether package was installed as dependency or manually
[10:50] <damike> TheSheep, yes - sheems to be quite cool :)
[10:50] <damike> TheSheep, well use xubuntu longer i think ;)
[10:54] <Natureshadow> hello
[10:55] <Natureshadow> I've got a problem with X.org.
[10:55] <Natureshadow> Last week, I booted my machine and suddenly had only 800x600 pixels
[10:55] <Natureshadow> I removed any other mode than 1024x768 from the config, but still it wouldn't do
[10:56] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: did you change something?
[10:56] <Natureshadow> Now, after one more week, the resolution is OK again - but with miniature fonts!
[10:56] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: in bios, for example?
[10:56] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: nope, really nothing
[10:56] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: Everything I did on this machine for months is using Firefox and Gaim!
[10:56] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: that fonts issue is known, there is a fix
[10:56] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: let me find it
[10:57] <TheSheep> http://xubuntulinux.blogspot.com/2006/07/ubuntu-set-correct-dpi-for-x-server.html
[10:57] <TheSheep> or
[10:57] <TheSheep> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/09/howto-fix-xfce-fonts/
[10:57] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: Well, on Windows I would consider "self-configuration" like this normal, or done by a virus - but not on Linux :)
[10:58] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: the problem is that linux tries to get the physical screen dimensions from your hardware, to make the fonts consistent, but it fails miserably with some hardware
[10:59] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: ok, but why didn't that happen right from the beginning?
[11:00] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: my guess is that the resolution problems and the font problems are related to a driver upgrade
[11:00] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: but I can only guess
[11:00] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: So Ubuntu does this automatically?
[11:00] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: no, you have to run the upgrade manager
[11:01] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: I thought so, However, I didn't :)
[11:01] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: Never mind, I will try the fix you sent me
[11:01] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: the second one seems to fix it in more than one place :)
[11:01] <TheSheep> just to make sure
[11:02] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: thx, will come back later and report
[11:03] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: umm .. I think I have changed the charset from latin1 to UTF-8 some time last week - could that be the reason?
[11:04] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: I don't think so
[11:04] <TheSheep> but really I can only do guessing here
[11:06] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: OK. Cya later
[11:28] <Natureshado1> TheSheep: Well, I edited the configs as described in the blogs, but still the fonts are very small
[11:29] <TheSheep> Natureshado1: what does settings->user interface settings say about font size?
[11:31] <Natureshado1> TheSheep: aaaah ..... lokking good now! thanks for the tip!
[11:44] <damike> how can i say to the HAL daemon that he should mount a media as read only?
[11:45] <TheSheep> damike: one option would be to put a line in fstab with the 'ro' option in it
[11:45] <damike> TheSheep, with the fix device name?
[11:48] <TheSheep> damike: huh?
[11:50] <damike> TheSheep, sudo mount -r -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 /dev/sdb1 stuff/ works - how to put that into fstab?
[11:53] <TheSheep> /dev/sdb1 /full/path/to/stuff ufs ufstype=ufs2,ro 0 0
[11:53] <damike> ah ok - was not quite sure about ufstype - thx
[11:53] <TheSheep> ah, and you want 'noauto' in the options too
[11:53] <TheSheep> and probably 'user' or 'users'
[11:54] <TheSheep> 'man fstab' should give you the details
[11:56] <damike> ok thx. maybe i will change to raiserfs
[12:18] <pwnguin> sup my homies
[12:20] <Colossus73> hi
[12:20] <Colossus73> i have an nfs folder which is mounted thriugh fstab
[12:20] <Colossus73> is it possible to have its icon on the desktop so to mount/umount it with the context menu option?
[12:25] <Colossus73> no does use NFS?
[12:32] <pwnguin> nah I don't bother with it
[12:32] <pwnguin> usually use scp or ftp
[12:33] <gerro> Colossus73: a similar question to that of yours is how do I remove the floppy icon from desktop?
[12:34] <gerro> Colossus73: I put a floppy in the drive just so there is some reason in that icon being there :/
[12:45] <Colossus73> I don't have the icon on the desktop when the nfs folder is mounted
[12:45] <Colossus73> gerro: do you have the sfs icon on the desktop though?
[12:45] <Colossus73> sorry scp
[12:46] <gerro> nope that's all command line
[12:47] <gerro> basically what you want is an on/off switch right?
[12:47] <Colossus73> yes
[12:47] <Colossus73> just as it happens when I put a cd in the DVD reader
[12:47] <gerro> setup a .sh script to check if its on/off and do the opposite when clicked maybe output a message what it did
[12:47] <gerro> chmod +x the script
[12:47] <Colossus73> its icon appears on the desktop
[12:47] <gerro> and create a launcher
[12:47] <Colossus73> it is a solution but it's not the same as having the icon
[12:47] <Colossus73> handled by HAL
[12:48] <Colossus73> is it HAL which handles this right?
[12:48] <gerro> no clue
[12:48] <Colossus73> :(
[12:48] <gerro> I love that icon thing though
[12:48] <Colossus73> thank anyway
[12:48] <gerro> wish my webcam worked that way
[12:48] <Colossus73> I posted on ubuntuforums too but no one replied yet
[12:50] <Colossus73> which model do you have?
[12:50] <Colossus73> the gspc driver supports over 200 models
[12:53] <gerro> basically you want a custom mount icon though right?
[12:53] <gerro> well remote mount in this case
[12:53] <Colossus73> yes
[12:53] <Colossus73> in the fstab I have many UUIDS line which I didn't know when using
[12:53] <Colossus73> slackware
[12:54] <Colossus73> I think I have toget the UUID of the NFS shared folder
[12:54] <gerro> perhaps
[12:54] <Colossus73> I read on ubuntuforums that ubuntu does this
[12:54] <Colossus73> why xubuntu (which I'm uisng) doesn't?
[01:15] <damike> how can i assign volume keyboard-shortcuts in xubuntu?
[01:16] <damike> i found something in the keyboard settings - but i don't know how to handle that :S
[01:17] <TheSheep> damike: I installed mpc and bound 'mpc volume+10' and 'mpc volume-10' to keys
[01:17] <damike> TheSheep, i try - thx
[01:18] <damike> TheSheep, the "Gnome Music Player Client"?
[01:18] <TheSheep> damike: no, that's gmpc
[01:18] <TheSheep> damike: I use mpc
[01:19] <damike> TheSheep, installed via apt-get?
[01:19] <TheSheep> damike: that's music player clinet for command line
[01:19] <TheSheep> damike: yes
[01:19] <damike> TheSheep, but i can still use xmms right?
[01:20] <echosystm> ive got a weird question
[01:20] <echosystm> :P
[01:20] <echosystm> is it possible to make xfce panels set to autohide appear quicker?
[01:20] <echosystm> where would be best to find a solution to such things?
[01:20] <echosystm> at the moment theres like a 1-2 second delay, drives me nuts
[01:21] <TheSheep> smaller delay would drive you even nutsier ;)
[01:21] <echosystm> nah i want it up there straight away
[01:21] <echosystm> in windows ive got it set to zero delay
[01:21] <echosystm> im used to it
[01:21] <echosystm> :P
[01:25] <TheSheep> echosystm: I think xfce doesn't have many 'shoot me in the foot' options
[01:46] <echosystm> question
[01:46] <echosystm> if i did an alt install of ubuntu with xfce rather than gnome
[01:46] <echosystm> there would be no difference between the xubuntu dist + ubuntu right?
[01:47] <echosystm> i know with fluxbuntu theyve got all kinds of changes in the actual distribution that means its not the same as just putting fluxbox on ubuntu
[01:47] <echosystm> same goes for xubuntu or not?
[01:48] <gerro> its xubuntu-desktop not xfce package
[01:48] <gerro> that the problem with fluxbuntu they don't have a package like that out yet
[01:48] <TheSheep> echosystm: ubuntu and xubuntu are the same under the hood
[01:49] <gerro> oh and they do something with fluxbox and rox I think
[01:49] <echosystm> yeah i know ubuntu/xubuntu installs extra stuff
[01:49] <echosystm> let me explain better
[01:49] <echosystm> i get an alt cd of ubuntu, install xfce
[01:50] <echosystm> i get the same alt cd of ubuntu, and install gnome
[01:50] <echosystm> err
[01:50] <echosystm> hang on i messed that up haha
[01:50] <echosystm> what i mean is... installing alt xubuntu with gnome, would be the same as installing alt ubuntu with gnome?
[01:51] <echosystm> i mean, other than the change in desktops, they're the same right?
[01:53] <TheSheep> echosystm: right
[01:53] <echosystm> cool :)
[01:53] <echosystm> thanks
[02:03] <gabii> heya
[02:10] <gabii> TheSheep: hello
[02:11] <TheSheep> hello gabii
[02:11] <gabii> r u running xubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu
[02:11] <gabii> ?
[02:12] <TheSheep> gabii: xubuntu
[02:12] <TheSheep> !u
[02:12] <TheSheep> hm... ubotu is down? :/
[02:13] <gabii> ah ok.. for you which is better xubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:13] <TheSheep> gabii: I'm allergic to kde :)
[02:14] <TheSheep> gabii: actually I'm so used to the gtk look and feel, that any other toolkit looks weird to me
[02:14] <gabii> well,i just installed kubuntu...
[02:16] <gabii> i should probablyhavetoask help from the kubuntu channel??
[02:18] <TheSheep> gabii: depends, but they are likely to be much better informed, yes
[02:19] <gabii> i was just able to install support for mp3... what do i need to play divx/xvid and matroska?
[02:23] <TheSheep> gabii: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[02:26] <gabii> thanx
[02:27] <gabii> i have another problem,i have a usb hdd it is formatted asntfs and when i plug it in it won't work
[02:33] <TheSheep> gabii: it should work, at least for reading
[02:34] <gabii> it won't it says i don't have permission
[02:36] <TheSheep> gabii: you use the default user that was created during installation?
[02:36] <gabii> yes
[02:38] <TheSheep> no idea then :/
[02:40] <gabii> but my thumb drive is working...
[02:41] <gabii> anyway i can't seem to understand the restricted format things.. what do i have to do toget it working?
[02:41] <TheSheep> gabii: it should be descibed there :/
[02:41] <echosystm> xfce uses gtk, right?
[02:42] <TheSheep> gabii: the links at the bottom should even have a step-by-step instructions
[02:42] <echosystm> so it's esentually just a stripped down version of gnome?
[02:42] <gabii> yeah but it has too many options.. which one is the right one?
[02:43] <TheSheep> echosystm: not really, some applications are stripped versions of those from gnome, but the xfce itself is an independedt project that was around for quite a long time and has its own ways of dealing with things
[02:43] <TheSheep> gabii: no idea
[02:43] <echosystm> but it is still based on gtk
[02:43] <echosystm> so theyre both somewhat the same no?
[02:43] <TheSheep> gabii: there used to be a bot here that gave you direct links, but it's broken at the moment
[02:44] <echosystm> i mean, its not like im going to open up a gnome program in xfce and expect bogus behaviour or anything right?
[02:44] <echosystm> or is that a possibility?
[02:45] <TheSheep> echosystm: no, gnome and kde programs should work just fine
[02:45] <TheSheep> unless the yare buggy themselves
[02:46] <gabii> thanx thesheep
[02:47] <gabii> thanx thesheep
[02:51] <gabii> the sheep: how do i install firefox?
[02:51] <TheSheep> gabii: sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:52] <gabii> thanx
[03:48] <nikolam> hello
[03:48] <vinze> Hi
[03:49] <nikolam> how are you :)
[03:49] <vinze> Fine :D
[03:49] <vinze> You?
[03:49] <nikolam> Ok  I suppose :)
[03:49] <vinze> Great ;-)
[03:49] <nikolam> Only gam_server is something I dont understand :)
[03:49] <nikolam> Eating cpu and.. :)
[03:49] <vinze> Oh that's annoying
[03:50] <nikolam> What you have done about that?
[03:50] <vinze> I hardly know what gam_server is...
[03:50] <vinze> Perhaps it's because of Firefox?
[03:50] <vinze> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=234318
[03:51] <nikolam> not running it :)
[03:51] <nikolam> seamonkey instead :)
[03:51] <vinze> Perhaps it's seamonkey :P
[03:51] <nikolam> nope :) perheaps its my evel twin myself :)
[03:51] <vinze> :P
[03:55] <nikolam> ej vinze :)
[03:56] <vinze> Ej
[03:56] <nikolam> go on pvt :)
[03:56] <vinze> pvt?
[03:57] <nikolam> Private
[03:57] <nikolam> see on list of channels, :)
[04:46] <sinzui> Will XUbnuntu work (walk not run) on on a 200mh laptopn with 96M? It will be used for browsing and reading PDF.
[04:48] <pleia2> sinzui: it will run ok, but use the alternate CD to do the install
[04:48] <sinzui> OK. Thanks.
[05:08] <damike> my next question - sorry ;) does anybody uses linuxtv with DVB-S in xubuntu?
[05:10] <maxamillion> damike: linuxtv? .... like mythtv?
[05:16] <damike> maxamillion, yes
[05:19] <maxamillion> !mythtv | damike
[05:19] <ubotu> damike: MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[05:19] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[05:19] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:19] <maxamillion> good bot :)
[05:21] <Amgine> Does bot have a similar guide for newbs attempting to install on a RAID?
[05:23] <maxamillion> !raid
[05:23] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[05:23] <maxamillion> Amgine: ^^
[05:23] <maxamillion> :)
[05:24] <maxamillion> saves me alot of searching the docs and the wiki
 Cool!
[05:25] <maxamillion> :)
[05:32] <W8TAH> morning folks: i have xubuntu fiesty running on my laptop -- i had a program (kvirc) installed that uses sounds, and i then installed arts -- do i need to re-install kvirc (as i would in gentoo) or will it be happy now?
[05:34] <maxamillion> W8TAH: i'm not familiar with the program, but what are you referring to when you say you "installed arts"?
[05:34] <W8TAH> maxamillion, good morning -- KVIRC is a KDE Based IRC client -- ARTS is the kde sound daemon - ive had good luck with it as opposed to esd etc
[05:36] <maxamillion> W8TAH: ah, ok ... they are KDE apps, that greatly explains why i am not familiar .... but kvirc should in theory be fine without having to reinstall, but if it doesn't appear to function then i would say just run a re-install and you should be fine (but thankfully re-installs are much faster in xubuntu then in gentoo)
[05:37] <W8TAH> LOL - -ya -- i love gentoo - just too much fiddling for a laptop
[05:37] <W8TAH> i'll try it out and see what happens
[05:39] <emdash> win 5
[05:39] <maxamillion> emdash: ?
[05:39] <W8TAH> maxamillion: things seem to be worknig happyily
[05:39] <maxamillion> W8TAH: wonderful, good to know :)
[05:40] <emdash> maxamillion: forgot leading /
[05:40] <maxamillion> ah, ok
[05:40] <maxamillion> :)
[05:41] <damike> maxamillion, i need DVB-S :(
[05:42] <damike> maxamillion, sheems that hauppauge DVB-s isn't supported
[05:42] <maxamillion> damike: ouch
[06:00] <Balaams_Miracle> What soundserver does Xubuntu use by default?
[06:00] <maxamillion> Balaams_Miracle: alsa
[06:00] <Balaams_Miracle> Thanks.
[06:00] <maxamillion> np
[06:01] <Balaams_Miracle> My sound is not working and now i can check to see if alsa is installed or not :-)
[06:01] <maxamillion> Balaams_Miracle: it should be ... check alsamixer or alsactl
[06:01] <Balaams_Miracle> (i've a weird system)
[06:01] <maxamillion> !alsa
[06:01] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:01] <maxamillion> :)
[06:04] <Balaams_Miracle> !MP3
[06:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:04] <Balaams_Miracle> Gotta love bots :-)
[06:08] <Balaams_Miracle> Working! Thanks maxamillion and the ubotu bot :-)
[06:10] <damike> there was a small little network meter for gnome - just showing up / download. does anybody the name?
[06:11] <maxamillion> Balaams_Miracle: anytime :)
[06:11] <maxamillion> damike: not off the top of my head
[06:11] <damike> maxamillion, hmm?
[06:12] <Balaams_Miracle> damike, wasn't it just called "network meter"?
[06:12] <damike> Balaams_Miracle, i don't know
[06:17] <maxamillion> damike: there is a xfce plugin, just right click the panel, click "add" and scroll down ... should be called "network monitor" or something of the sort
[06:18] <damike> maxamillion, ah ok - just found CPU  thx ;)
[06:18] <maxamillion> np
[06:20] <hmca> hi all
[06:21] <maxamillion> hello
[06:21] <hmca> question: not all apps i have installed apear in applications menu, ex kdevelop...
[06:21] <hmca> update-menus does not seem to fix/solve this
[06:22] <hmca> using xubuntu/xfce  7.04
[06:22] <hmca> amarok apears ...
[06:22] <TheSheep> hmca: report a bug about missing .desktop files, but note that console-only applications won't appear in there
[06:23] <hmca> TheSheep: ok , but kdevelop is not a console app
[06:24] <hmca> TheSheep: how do i report this suposed bug ? this is a xfce bug , correct ?
[06:26] <TheSheep> hmca: no, it's a bug in the application that doesn't show up in the menu.
[06:26] <TheSheep> actually in its package
[06:26] <TheSheep> hmca: do you have a file /usr/share/applications/kdevelop.dekstop ?
[06:28] <hmca> TheSheep: no, i have /usr/share/applications/kde/*
[06:28] <hmca> TheSheep: ln -s * ../ ??
[06:30] <hmca> TheSheep: ironicly 4 example k3b appears ... and that app i have i kde/ dir ,  the same place i have kdevelop
[06:31] <TheSheep> hmca: look into that file if it doesn't have a 'OnlyShowIn: KDE'
[06:32] <hmca> in kdevelop.desktop i have "Categories=Qt;KDE;Development;IDE;X-KDE-KDevelopIDE;"   , cheeking
[06:34] <hmca> waiting for pastebin ....
[06:37] <hmca> pastebin must be dying 4 a boot
[06:38] <TheSheep> !pastebin | hmca
[06:38] <ubotu> hmca: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:43] <hmca> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29256/     i'm Portuguese and so my computer sometimes :) ....
[06:48] <TheSheep> looks good :/
[06:48] <hmca> yep, still thanks for the chat
[06:50] <hmca> cyau
[06:56] <damike> what can be wrong if suspend doesnt work and linux doesnt react anymore?
[06:56] <damike> just a black screen
[06:57] <TheSheep> it works with some hardware and doesn't with other
[06:58] <TheSheep> tweaking bios options might help
[06:58] <damike> hmm. it worked with fedora 7 - thats the strange thing
[06:58] <hyper_ch> huhu
[07:01] <damike> that means? ;)
[07:02] <Pumpernickel> ...that Fedora 7 was released more recently than Feisty?
[07:03] <damike> i think so - yes
[07:03] <Pumpernickel> It was.
[07:18] <jrollf> I have a basic xbuntu install with samba and x11vnc installed. I'm using it as a basic file server in my home. I have noticed that when I disconnect the monitor and use VNC, the highest resolution I can get is 800 x 600.  I would like to get 1024 x 800 over VNC (which I can get 1024 x 800 on VNC as long as their is a monitor plugged into the computer).  Is there a way to fix this?
[07:19] <maxamillion> jrollf: i assume its just a configuration somewhere in the vnc server that defaults to the X11 resolution when the monitor is plugged in, and then falls back on the vnc config when the monitor is removed ... i could be wrong though
[07:29] <floedel> Hi
[07:49] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you're here?
[07:55] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, I'm here
[07:56] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you're not here :(
[07:57] <TheSheep> here, here
[07:58] <TheSheep> now you see me now you dont
[07:58] <maxamillion> ahhh1!!!!!!!!11!!1!one!!!
[07:59] <TheSheep> pretty simle in theory...
[07:59] <TheSheep> maxamillion: see how that course comes in handy?
[07:59] <hyper_ch> where to get nsca_auth?
[08:00] <hyper_ch> anyone knows?
[08:00] <maxamillion> TheSheep: yes, this summer session is awesome!
[08:01] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i start coding my minimalistic bash clone on wednesday
[08:01] <hyper_ch> oh, it's ncsa_auth  -  stupid me :)
[08:31] <damike> hmm. i can't watch DVDs :( ogle crashes if i open the DVD, vlc hangs up after the first chapter and xine gives an error
[08:31] <damike> does anybody knows that error?
[08:32] <hyper_ch> damike: run the players from the terminal
[08:32] <hyper_ch> damike: that should give some output of why they crash
[08:32] <hyper_ch> damike: and that will help to figre out why it's happening
[08:34] <damike> hyper_ch, thx. ogle says "*** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1571 ***", vlc says nothing because it hangs up :/
[08:35] <hyper_ch> xine? mplayer?
[08:36] <damike> hyper_ch, http://rafb.net/p/k1dDXd75.html
[08:37] <hyper_ch> no clue
[08:37] <damike> i try the old windows method - reboot ;)
[08:37] <hyper_ch> can you play other dvds?
[08:37] <hyper_ch> damike: won't help
[08:37] <damike> have tried different DVDs
[08:38] <hyper_ch> none work?
[08:38] <damike> yep
[08:38] <hyper_ch> damike: seems you are missing a few things then :)
[08:38] <hyper_ch> damike: you are familiar with the terminal?
[08:39] <damike> hyper_ch, gxine gives after a view seconds " Error reading from DVD"
[08:39] <damike> hyper_ch, yes
[08:39] <hyper_ch> damike: you konw how to add a repository?
[08:39] <damike> hyper_ch, no ;)
[08:39] <damike> i did long time ago
[08:39] <hyper_ch> damike: google for medibuntu
[08:39] <hyper_ch> it will tell you how to add that repo :)
[08:40] <damike> i get a I/O error - maybe HAL is the reason
[08:40] <damike> after a few seconds maybe HAL disables the cd
[08:40] <damike> i try a reboot
[08:40] <hyper_ch> damike: nope, I think you are missing a few things :)
[08:40] <damike> what things?
[08:40] <hyper_ch> damike: won't help :)
[08:40] <hyper_ch> libdvdcss2
[08:41] <damike> well - that shoukd come with vlc?
[08:42] <hyper_ch> I don't think that does
[08:42] <hyper_ch> it's not really a codec
[08:44] <hyper_ch> of course, it's up to you to install it or not or to reboot or not
[08:44] <damike> hyper_ch, i can't believe that watching a DVD is a problem in xubuntu ;)
[08:45] <hyper_ch> damike: libdvdcss2 does not come with any ubuntu
[08:45] <damike> thats bad - so every user has to check out the rep? ;)
[08:46] <hyper_ch> damike: if you want to watch dvds: yes
[08:46] <hyper_ch> so did you add the repo to your sources?
[08:46] <damike> big minus for xubuntu ;)
[08:47] <hyper_ch> it's not really a big deal
[08:47] <hyper_ch> when I setup my computer a new it will be auto-downloaded and installed as with 99% of my software that I use
[08:48] <damike> ah ok - i found a article about the problem
[08:53] <damike> hyper_ch, yes - its very simple :) now i have libdvdcss2 installed - thx!!!
[08:53] <hyper_ch> does it work?
[08:54] <damike> yes
[08:54] <damike> thx
[08:54] <hyper_ch> you're welcome... next thing is to write an install script in case you do re-setup your computer ^^
[08:55] <damike> it works with synaptic
[08:55] <hyper_ch> why use synaptic if you have a terminal available ^^
[08:59] <damike> hyper_ch, if i want to hack in my terminal i start freebsd ;)
[09:00] <hyper_ch> damike: that's how I setup a fresh computer:   http://rafb.net/p/3gAbhG36.html
[09:01] <damike> hyper_ch, quite cool ;) irssi user? ;)
[09:02] <hyper_ch> almost fully automatic
[09:02] <hyper_ch> the first few packages require some user input
[09:02] <hyper_ch> sometimes I use irssi from work
[09:02] <hyper_ch> but at home I use konversation
[09:03] <damike> so if i get the suspend thing running i will say xubuntu rocks ;)
[09:03] <hyper_ch> xubuntu rocks
[09:03] <damike> i hope it works - i would like to use it also in my laptop
[09:03] <hyper_ch> I've never used suspend
[09:05] <damike> hyper_ch, why not? always shut down the machine?
[09:06] <hyper_ch> damike: nope, never shut down the machine ^^
[09:06] <damike> hyper_ch, ahh - thats bad ;)
[09:06] <hyper_ch> damike: why?
[09:06] <damike> energy waste
[09:07] <hyper_ch> hmm, I need to download torrents ^^
[09:08] <damike> hyper_ch, "need" is relative ;)
[09:09] <hyper_ch> so is energy waste
[09:09] <damike> have to pay the fee yourself?
[09:10] <hyper_ch> damike: yes
[09:10] <damike> ;)
[09:11] <hyper_ch> damike: why?
[09:12] <damike> hyper_ch, i was intersted in ;)
[09:13] <hyper_ch> ^^
[09:14] <damike> hyper_ch, where are you from? bern?
[09:14] <hyper_ch> damike: nope
[09:17] <hyper_ch> you're from vienna?
[09:17] <hyper_ch> salzburg?
[09:18] <hyper_ch> damike: Dornbirn?
[09:19] <damike> hyper_ch, graz
[09:19] <hyper_ch> oh, graz ist nett
[09:19] <hyper_ch> die Winfridia :)
[09:20] <hyper_ch> <-- St. Gallen
[09:23] <damike> hyper_ch, skirgebiet oder? ;)
[09:24] <hyper_ch> damike: nicht ganz but better to use English in here
[09:24] <hyper_ch> damike: otherwise the evil Pumpernickel will kick you out
[09:24] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: ;)
[09:24] <damike> ;)
[09:25] <Pumpernickel> o_O
[09:27] <hyper_ch> highlighting works wonders :)
[09:27] <hyper_ch> well, probably not the right translation for that proverb :)
[09:27] <hyper_ch> btw, some other cool channels are:  #ubunte-de and  #kubuntu-de ^^
[09:46] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, brigens, es gibt auch #xfce-de ;) *werbungmach*
[09:46] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: oder #xubuntu-de
[09:47] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, Yep. :)
[09:47] <hyper_ch> ^^
[10:11] <kabads> my xubuntu feisty install stalls on detecting file system - any tips on how to bypass this? I was thinking of using gparted live cd to create the partitions instead of the xubuntu install? Is this a good idea?
[10:11] <maxamillion> kabads: its worth a shot
[10:12] <kabads> maxamillion: with a blank HDD anything is worth a shot :-)
[10:12] <maxamillion> kabads: very true, but yes ... using gparted and partitioning yourself is an option and the installer should work fine with your hand edited partition scheme
[10:16] <sx66> how do you configure the monitor of a laptop to shutdown/power off in xubuntu?
[10:16] <hyper_ch> sx66: ???
[10:16] <sx66> ex: power off in 1min
[10:17] <sx66> the monitor of my laptop.
[10:17] <hyper_ch> sx66: applications --> settings --> settings manager
[10:17] <hyper_ch> sx66: screensaver
[10:17] <hyper_ch> sx66: advanced
[10:19] <sx66> hyper_ch: yes, I do not see a monitor settings, only standby, suspend, and off....of 60min...
[10:19] <hyper_ch> sx66: that is for the monitor
[10:19] <sx66> oh
[10:19] <sx66> thank you
[10:20] <hyper_ch> sx66: Display Power Managment ^^
[10:20] <servaas-xubuntu-> hi
[10:20] <sx66> hi
[10:21] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu-: hi
[10:21] <servaas-xubuntu-> nothing to discuss at this moment ?
[10:24] <kabads> looks like my machine is even too old for gparted
[10:24] <sx66> does blank screen turn off the LCD?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> kabads: ???
[10:25] <maxamillion> sx66: no, but it will make the LCD inactive and then the LCD will suspend per spec of the firmware for an inactivity timeout (normally 10 minutes or so)
[10:27] <sx66> maxamillion: how do I make the LCD turn off in one minute, (i am on a laptop)...I have installed kpower, and I can not find to power down the screen of 1min nor in the system power screen saver settings. I have set the display power mag to 1 min but nothing happens in 1 min
[10:27] <servaas-xubuntu-> you can look at the advanced tab inde screensaver settings
[10:27] <servaas-xubuntu-> inde = in the
[10:29] <servaas-xubuntu-> kabads: can you give US (im no geek :-) )some specs of your machine
[10:29] <kabads> aha - there's a fat16 partition on that drive already -
[10:30] <maxamillion> sx66: oh, that i don't really know off the top of my head ... i only use my laptop when i need to be on it and shutdown when i'm done
[10:30] <kabads> servaas-xubuntu-: I've run gparted with an xconfig and it seems to have booted into graphical mode
[10:31] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: look in the advanced tab from the screensaver settings
[10:31] <sx66> servaas-xubuntu-: I have set that to one (1) minute nothing happens in one (1) minute
[10:31] <sx66> let me restart xconf
[10:31] <sx66> hold on
[10:32] <servaas-xubuntu-> kabads: and what is the problem with it ?
[10:33] <servaas-xubuntu-> how can i change that ugly bad visible ugly color :-(
[10:36] <_pez_> hello
[10:36] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: hi
[10:37] <_pez_> could somebody please help me with installing xubuntu
[10:37] <hyper_ch> _pez_: well, maybe you can tell what is not working...
[10:37] <_pez_> livecd boots, mouse not working, howto install?
[10:38] <_pez_> and howto fix mouse
[10:38] <hyper_ch> well, if the live cd doesn't boot then you can try the alternate one but with that one you will directly install it
[10:38] <hyper_ch> _pez_: what error do you actually get? maybe you need to boot with acpi off
[10:38] <_pez_> I've got a sis chipset and I've read that this is a general bug with the new kernel
[10:39] <_pez_> no error, just my mouse pointer does not move, tried with 2 mouse (ps2)
[10:40] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: was it possible for you to continue installation with only the keyboard ?
[10:40] <hyper_ch> no clue, sorry
[10:41] <_pez_> I can switch terminals, but I've got no idea howto install
[10:42] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: so you installed xubuntu without a mouse ?
[10:42] <TheSheep> _pez_: if you press alt+shift+numlock, you should be able to control the mouse pointer with the number pad
[10:42] <_pez_> I mean there is an install icon on the desktop, but I couldn't activate it, and I have no clue what to type in txt mode
[10:42] <_pez_> tx I'll try
[10:42] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: use tab
[10:43] <_pez_> tab didn't seem to work
[10:44] <_pez_> is there a way to install it without booting into a livecd system?
[10:45] <TheSheep> _pez_: alternate cd
[10:45] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: you cannot select an icon on the desktop with tab key , left/right/up/down key and enter key ?
[10:45] <servaas-xubuntu-> that should work isnt it ?
[10:45] <_pez_> I tried to select with kb, but no success
[10:47] <servaas-xubuntu-> try first down key what happens ?
[10:48] <sx66> does the xfce result in better battery because of cpu consumption and etc
[10:49] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: do you have acpi service enabled ?
[10:49] <sx66> servaas-xubuntu-: where do I find that?
[10:49] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: did it work with the setting in screen saver /
[10:49] <sx66> nope
[10:50] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: kb not working, but alt shift numlock does
[10:50] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: menu system service
[10:50] <_pez_> TheSheep: tx for the advice, it helped
[10:50] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: so you can select the icon install to harddisk ?
[10:52] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: yes
[10:52] <servaas-xubuntu-> so you are installing now ?
[10:52] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: sure I am (o:
[10:52] <servaas-xubuntu-> hehe
[10:53] <servaas-xubuntu-> if installed reboot maybe your mice mouse is detected then
[10:53] <sx66> I can not find the acpi....in the menu system services.
[10:55] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: and if you enter     gksu services-admin ?
[10:55] <sx66> servaas-xubuntu-: I have enabled the screen saver and it 'blank screens' at one minute, I need the LCD off at one min.
[10:56] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: I do not think so see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/108382
[10:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108382 in linux-source-2.6.20 "ps2 mouse does not work in Feisty FINAL VERSION" [High,Fix released] 
[10:56] <sx66> servaas-xubuntu-: that command worked, then what?
[10:56] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: i know what you want you need acpi to let it work if your hardware supports it ...
[10:57] <servaas-xubuntu-> well look in the list to find acpi service and if it is enabled
[10:58] <sx66> acpid is enabled.
[10:58] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: after reboot update with update manager and look if it works then
[10:58] <sx66> terminal multiplexor is disabled
[10:59] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: ok and your lcd supports acpi ?
[10:59] <sx66> servaas-xubuntu-: how would I find that?
[11:00] <servaas-xubuntu-> in the documentation of your monitor ?
[11:00] <sx66> servaas-xubuntu-: in the 'sys info' app that I have?
[11:02] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: ...
[11:02] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: i really dont know but i have another idea ...
[11:03] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: try to install gnome-power-manager maybe that works for you ...
[11:05] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_:  your status report :-) installed it ?
[11:06] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: old machine runs slow... partitioning
[11:07] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: how old ?
[11:07] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: ?
[11:08] <sx66> installing
[11:08] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok
[11:10] <sx66> where do I get the gnome-power-manager
[11:10] <servaas-xubuntu-> in the synaptic ?
[11:10] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: something called bookPC, microatx house, everything integrated no pci slots, my dad bougt it some 6-7 years ago, he thougth it was cute, and I have to deal with it...
[11:11] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: to install or to run ?
[11:11] <sx66> installing now, thank you
[11:12] <sx66> servaas-xubuntu-: I have installed it, I can not find it now...
[11:12] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: it took me 3 days to figure out, that the cd drive not working perfectly, freezed the install process with several OS
[11:13] <servaas-xubuntu-> menu - accessoires - appfinder
[11:13] <sx66> o0o0o
[11:13] <servaas-xubuntu-> search for power managemant
[11:13] <sx66> thank YOUUUU
[11:13] <servaas-xubuntu-> hehehe
[11:14] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: and how did you work around it ?
[11:16] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: I have another dead pc to install, so I took the cd drive from it
[11:17] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: other pc's winch stuck while formatting... I'm not happy these days (o:
[11:18] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_:  not repaired/welded it and so on just took another one :-/
[11:19] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: yeah, unfortunately that pc doesn't mine to trash
[11:20] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_:  partitoning passed already ?
[11:21] <_pez_> no, after 5 mins I have to quit, it doesn't seem to work
[11:22] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: so I'm trying again
[11:23] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok
[11:26] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: yepp, the installer GUI definitely needs some rewrite to use it without mouse...
[11:27] <servaas-xubuntu-> well you can set keys with settings manager
[11:27] <servaas-xubuntu-> and there is the alternate cd to install in text mode
[11:27] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: nope, it's the focus thing, and the tab key does not move the focus
[11:28] <servaas-xubuntu-> down key does it for me
[11:28] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66
[11:28] <sx66> what is the kunbuntu power manager, what is that called?
[11:29] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: you have already gome power manager installed so ?
[11:30] <sx66> yes, but it still does not work...:( it was the blank screen from the screen saver that got my hopes up
[11:30] <servaas-xubuntu-> search synaptic for kde power or something im not a walking enceclopedie with all the thousands of packages in my head ...
[11:30] <sx66> lol
[11:31] <servaas-xubuntu-> you know the tools try to figure out why it isnt work ...
[11:32] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: already tried to reboot ?
[11:33] <sx66> I have not rebooted...that sound prob wor
[11:33] <sx66> work*
[11:33] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: what kind of sound chipset do you have?
[11:34] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: i dont know tell me how to find out  :-)
[11:35] <servaas-xubuntu-> sx66: happy lcd off after 1 minute works ?
[11:37] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: hda intel
[11:37] <sx66> I am going to restart
[11:40] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: do you find it load enough?
[11:40] <servaas-xubuntu-> servaas@x704:~$ lspci | grep Audio
[11:40] <servaas-xubuntu-> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[11:40] <servaas-xubuntu-> servaas@x704:~$
[11:41] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: i really do not use audio it is mostly turned off
[11:42] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: I see
[11:42] <servaas-xubuntu-> _second try to partitoning hard disk works ?
[11:43] <servaas-xubuntu-> _pez_: second try to partitoning hard disk works ?
[11:45] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: nope,
[11:45] <_pez_> servaas-xubuntu-: I think I have to unmount the automounted filesystems
[11:46] <servaas-xubuntu-> im not the best in partitioning maybe someone else here in the channel ?
[11:57] <Redimere> mornin all
[12:10] <servaas-xubuntu-> morning ... sweet dreams
[12:12] <Jester45> im just wondering if on the first boot of debian does it take a really long time? mine took like 30 mins but ubuntu boots in under 5
[12:12] <Jester45> just wondering it might of been the really old drive
[12:13] <servaas-xubuntu-> fschk ?
[12:15] <Jester45> nope] 
[12:15] <Jester45> it was just doing some noram booting stuff
[12:15] <Jester45> i think it might of been making a config or something so it wouldnt have to check my hardware. does it even do that?
[12:16] <Jester45> like it was checking if my processor would do somthing when in hypervisor mode
[12:16] <servaas-xubuntu-> you could disable boot scripts but then it detects nothing
[12:17] <Jester45> hey cellofellow
[12:17] <cellofellow> hey
[12:17] <Jester45> hows those computers coming
[12:17] <cellofellow> There are sixteen and I've cataloged three of them in my OOo database.
[12:18] <Jester45> servaas-xubuntu-, well i found a old 4gb hard drive and figure... why not try other OS and see what they got. so i tried gentoo and the drive was to slow
[12:18] <Jester45> dsl worked but i would rather have it as a cd. win98 had a memory alllocation error
[12:19] <Jester45> vista said the drive was to small (plus it would of been to slow)
[12:19] <servaas-xubuntu-> so you think it is the hdd not the system but the strange thing is the difference in boot time that is an open question
[12:20] <cellofellow> Is there some command to see what program(s) are accessing the network? I'm downloading a lot of something, but what I don't know.
[12:20] <Jester45> servaas-xubuntu-, yea i was thinking the problem is the old drive because i never tried debain on my good drive. so the only diffrence was the harddrive and the OS
[12:22] <servaas-xubuntu-> but then the boot time is not compareble because of the different hard drives
[12:22] <cellofellow> oh, you know what? I bet it's update-manager
[12:22] <Jester45> :)
[12:23] <Jester45> anyone have a link or tip for drying out a cell phone
[12:23] <cellofellow> I have it set to do unnattended updates.
[12:23] <cellofellow> nope
[12:23] <Jester45> cellofellow, you being hacked :)
[12:23] <servaas-xubuntu-> drying is the opposite of wet ? (bad english)
[12:23] <cellofellow> maybe
[12:24] <cellofellow> yes
[12:24] <Jester45> servaas-xubuntu-, yea my phone got a good soak in a pool today
[12:24] <cellofellow> Jester45: (That's why I want to know what command is doing it. I can't figure that out though.)
[12:25] <Jester45> cellofellow, im sure the hacker allready got sudo powers and remove that program
[12:25] <servaas-xubuntu-> keep battery out and put it in your pocket
[12:25] <Jester45> servaas-xubuntu-, it was vibrating but now it just dead
[12:26] <cellofellow> Jester45: what is it though?
[12:26] <servaas-xubuntu-> do not use hair dryer or some because of melting components
[12:26] <cellofellow> Jester45: and, it's 0 upload, I'd expect a cracker to have to upload at least shell data to himself.
[12:26] <cellofellow> Just full download.
[12:26] <servaas-xubuntu-> better said take battery out no power in it