[01:12] <nixternal> yay
[01:12] <DaSkreech> Split?
[01:24] <nixternal> guess so
[01:25] <nixternal> heh, gcj causes me to get wrong answers correct in Java class
[01:25] <nixternal> I used gcj to compile a booged app and it worked, it ran, but didn't output, so he gave me the question :)
[01:30] <DaSkreech> I like teachers like that
[01:31] <DaSkreech> We used to have a teacher where you could hand in stuff all year that never ran but could still get a good grade as long as you could explain what it took to run and why yours wasn't running
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Wow that's cerepy
[01:40] <DaSkreech> I'm listening to the akademy Make-no-noise videos
[01:40] <DaSkreech> So I turn my headphones up to hear them and it sounds like there is muted screaming being put through an electrical filter in the background
[01:40] <nixternal> nice
[02:26] <nixternal> sebas_: did you guys ever get the shirts for aKademy at all? or did you get them after aKademy?
[02:26] <nixternal> I seen  your swag made it to some other place and just sat there :)
[02:26] <nixternal> sounds like when DHL attempted to deliver me half of shipment because they lost the other half...Ubuntu CDs
[02:28] <nixternal> hehe
[02:28] <nixternal> would have had a dirty shirt
[02:34] <jjesse> ev ening
[02:34] <nixternal> that it is, a stormy one at that
[02:34] <jjesse> yeah storming in chi town?
[02:34] <nixternal> just a little :)
[02:34] <jjesse> bad news my chicago trip got canceled
[02:34] <nixternal> I am sitting in this dungeoun called a classroom and can still hear the thunder
[02:34] <jjesse> irc in the class?  shouldn't you be working?
[02:40] <nixternal> jjesse: that is actually good news, for you of course :)
[02:40] <nixternal> plus I think at that time will be our family gathering because half of my family celebrates their birthday this month
[02:40] <jjesse> cool then i won't miss much then
[02:44] <nixternal> it is Java GUI class, way to easy
[02:44] <jjesse> missing the home run derby
[02:44] <nixternal> actually, I taught GridLayout, FlowLayout, and BoxLayout (deprecated) the first hour
[02:44] <nixternal> now I am on IRC talking to silly people :p
[02:44] <jjesse> silly people like me
[02:44] <nixternal> ooh, is Konerko in it?
[02:44] <nixternal> hehe
[02:44] <nixternal> you said it
[02:44] <jjesse> i don't thinks so
[02:44] <nixternal> so what are your plans/ideas for Gutsy docs?
[02:44] <jjesse> adept guide, keep documentation, speed crunch documentation
[02:44] <nixternal> the only thing i really want to do is tweak what we have, changve the main index page, and maybe add a couple of other docs
[02:44] <nixternal> well those are all KDE docs :)
[02:44] <jjesse> yeah i know those are all kde docs
[02:44] <jjesse> i haven't thought too much about gutsy docs
[02:44] <nixternal> man I hate the fact we use CC-by-SA for our docs
[02:44] <nixternal> it cramps my style
[02:44] <jjesse> we do that because the ubuntu book is cc-by-sa
[02:44] <jjesse> if i recall correctly
[02:44] <nixternal> umm, the Ubuntu book has 1 chapter of Kubuntu...so for Ubuntu maybe that is a good idea
[02:44] <nixternal> for us it kills us, we can't take bits and pieces from the KDE docs, no we have to link to them, causing the user to lose his/her spot in the previous doc they were reading
[02:44] <jjesse> i know there is only one chapter, i keep tryig to make it bigger
[02:44] <nixternal> you know how many times I have been tempted to start such a project
[02:44] <jjesse> it is really hard
[02:44] <jjesse> ooo magglio is up
[02:44] <nixternal> it is, but if we open it up to the community it wouldn't be so bad..when I say book, I don't need amazon and book stores selling it really
[02:44] <nixternal> I bet the Sox hate the fact they got rid of Magglio
[02:44] <jjesse> i bet they do
[02:44] <jjesse> hmmm my windows xp vm is curropted or something
[02:45] <nixternal> good ;)
[02:45] <jjesse> not good need it for work
[02:45] <nixternal> hey everyone, jjesse loves Windows more than I could ever do :)
[02:45] <nixternal> how did I get dubbed the pointy-clicky guy?
[02:45] <nixternal> !nixternal
[02:45] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[02:45] <jjesse> awesome
[02:45] <nixternal> you alright there kwwii_travel?
[02:45] <nixternal> openbios.org?? nice!
[02:45] <nixternal> tell them I need one for my Biostar M8K800-M7 or whatever it is
[02:45] <DaSkreech> I have a whatever as well!!
[02:45] <nixternal> it was the cheap socket 754 mobo from newegg
[02:45] <nixternal> I think I am going to build an itx box
[02:45] <nixternal> hell, $140 gives me everything but the ram, hard drive, and case/power supply
[02:53] <DaSkreech> I want a barcelona Mobo
[02:53] <DaSkreech> true quad core :- ) In a Dual Proc Mobo :)
[02:54] <nixternal> I do too, but I can only afford very little
[02:54] <cynics> nixternal: you buy mobo from newegg?
[02:54] <nixternal> yup
[02:54] <nixternal> heh, did you see my comment or something?
[02:55] <nixternal> it seems I am famous from newegg...I catch people all of the time saying "i bought that because you said how good it was, or I didn't buy it cuz you said it sucked"
[03:03] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Ha ha You have mplayer?
[03:03] <jjesse> spdier pig spider pig does whatever a spider pig does
[03:03] <DaSkreech> that's not fair
[03:03] <DaSkreech> you have to choose one or the other for the last one
[03:17] <manchicken> I really wish I had some KDE4 packages to play with :(
[03:19] <DaSkreech> svn up?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Bye
[03:56] <DaSkreech> nixternal: In windows huh?
[05:48] <nixternal> DaSkreech: never, I use my laptop for all classes, but 1 (asp.net)
[05:49] <DaSkreech> have Mplayer?
[05:49] <nixternal> vlc
[05:50] <nixternal> actually, ya I do have mplayer
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Yay play something it then hit printscreen
[05:50] <DaSkreech> You get a little Ksnapshot window
[05:50] <DaSkreech> with a playing mplayer in it
[05:50] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:55] <ScottK> nixternal: Good evening.
[05:55] <nixternal> it is good now that the storms are gone
[05:56] <ScottK> Ah.  I saw you mention you might be moving out this way the other day.
[05:56] <nixternal> either DC or south of DC
[05:56] <nixternal> south of DC == 45 minutes from DC
[05:57] <nixternal> 30-45 to be exact
[05:57] <ScottK> VA or MD?
[05:57] <nixternal> MD
[05:57] <nixternal> you couldn't give me VA
[05:57] <ScottK> Me neither.
[05:57] <ScottK> Waldorf?
[05:57] <nixternal> one county over
[05:57] <nixternal> St. Mary's county again, maybe
[05:57] <nixternal> maybe the Waldorf area
[05:57] <ScottK> Ah.  Very close to the X.
[05:57] <nixternal> Prince Georges
[05:57] <ScottK> Ah.
[05:57] <nixternal> yes, could be to close :)
[05:58] <ScottK> Got work?
[05:58] <nixternal> not yet, but more than likely working for some part of the government again
[05:58] <ScottK> OK.  Let me know if you want me to pass your resume around.
[05:58] <nixternal> ya, I will need to update that thing again...I appreciate the offer
[06:23] <maniacmusician> nixternal: I'm asking this because I'm curious, not interested, but...what does it take to get on the Kubuntu development team? I mean, if someone is contemplating starting another distro but they feel their efforts might be better served by joining the existing dev team, how would they go about doing that?
[06:24] <ScottK> maniacmusician: My experience was show up and start working works pretty well.
[06:25] <maniacmusician> haha really? there's no restrictions or procedural things?
[06:30] <ScottK> Well you can't just upload stuff unsupervised, but they are open to contributions.
[06:33] <maniacmusician> okay. thank you
[06:38] <ScottK> maniacmusician: Was is it you are interested in doing?
[06:40] <maniacmusician> I wasn't asking for myself. I can't do much development at all :) I just see a lot of people that want to go off and start their own distros just because they want to be recognized. I want to steer them instead to join existing projects where their efforts are more needed. Usually, their distro is not going to have any specific extraordinary goals that couldn't be covered by an existing distro, so I think it would be
[06:40] <maniacmusician> cool if some of them redirected their efforts. So I was wondering about what it would take for them to contribute.
[06:41] <ScottK> Most of what distributions do is package stuff.
[06:41] <maniacmusician> yes, that's a big part of it
[06:42] <maniacmusician> ubuntu based ones mostly leech off of the ubuntu repos :)
[06:42] <ScottK> Ubuntu is roughly divided into Main and Universe.  Main is commerically supported and pretty tightly controlled.  Universe is pretty wide open.
[06:42] <ScottK> Which is fine.  We leech off of Debian (but work hard to give stuff back).
[06:42] <maniacmusician> oh yeah, I try to direct people to become MOTU as well, but most of them don't want to do that
[06:42] <ScottK> Even if they don't want to become a MOTU, they can still have stuff sponsored.
[06:43] <ScottK> I just became a MOTU last month, but got a pretty large number of packages sponsored for upload before I was.
[06:43] <ScottK> !REVU
[06:43] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[06:43] <ScottK> We have a process, tools, and everything for non-MOTUs to contribute.
[06:43] <maniacmusician> well what I meant was that most of them aren't interested in packaging; they're interested in starting a spinoff distro with a little of this and a little of that
[06:44] <maniacmusician> yeah, REVU is great
[06:44] <ScottK> I guess I don't see why.  If they do their own niche distro, who will benifit.  If they get there stuff into Ubuntu, then lots of people use their stuff.
[06:44] <maniacmusician> that's what I think as well
[06:45] <ScottK> If they want to focus on something, it's actually better to work within the Ubuntu system.
[06:45] <maniacmusician> yup; that's why I was asking.
[06:46] <ScottK> As an example, Mythbuntu was started as a separate project to focus on Myth TV and they are working hard on getting their stuff into Ubuntu now because they see it's better.
[06:46] <ScottK> Same thing with Ubuntustudio.
[06:46] <maniacmusician> I mean, I can see the justifications for some of the spinoffs. At least the ones that have more specific goals than Ubuntu is willing to commit to. But a lot of them are fairly useless
[06:47] <ScottK> In those cases, they are effectively spinoff distros that you can spinoff (shortly, they are still working on it) straight out of the Ubuntu repositories.
[06:47] <maniacmusician> yeah. for the ones that deserve spinoffs, I think it's beneficial for them to fork out, stabilize it, and then contribute it back to whatever they spun off of
[06:48] <ScottK> Don't want to do packaging, but want to make their own entire distro seems like putting the cart before the horse to me.
[06:48] <maniacmusician> what I meant was, they don't want to do *just* packaging. They're more interested in the distro part of it. packaging is just a necessary requirement to them, not something they particularly are focused on
[06:49] <ScottK> Right.
[06:49] <ScottK> Ubuntu actually encourages that sort of thing in their trademark policy.
[06:49] <maniacmusician> yeah, I saw that
[06:51] <ScottK> Well good luck convincing people.  There are at least a few volunteer developers who are deeply involved in the distro end of things.  One of the milestone release managers for the Gutsy Tribe series of milestones is a volunteer developer.
[06:52] <ScottK> It's well past time I should be in bed, so good night.
[06:52] <maniacmusician> 'night
[07:02] <maniacmusician> hi Hobbsee
[07:03] <maniacmusician> Hobbsee: do you know if Henrik is still at Sprint or...? have you been able to get in touch with him at all
[07:05] <Hobbsee> hey maniacmusician.  he's at the sprint, i'm told
[07:05] <Hobbsee> maniacmusician: oh, i don tthink i'll be able t maek the meeting tomorrow - prior commitment
[07:05] <maniacmusician> okay. he hasn't replied to my email, and he's usually pretty quick about that kind of stuff. Or so I thought.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> which i'd forgotten about, and had been delayed a day
[07:06] <Hobbsee> well, he has been travelling and such
[07:06] <maniacmusician> Hobbsee: it's okay. You can check the agenda page again, I've added a link covering all the CD testing stuff. If that's satisfactory, we should be okay for the meeting tomorrow
[07:06] <Hobbsee> right
[07:18] <maniacmusician> Hobbsee: oh, damn. I forgot to send the email to him! I saved it as a draft and never sent it. damnit.
[07:19] <Hobbsee> maniacmusician: hahaha, that'd do it
[07:22] <maniacmusician> Hobbsee: yeah. damn. I'll kick myself if he's unable to make it now just because I was so late in sending the email
[07:22] <Hobbsee> he should be
[07:24] <maniacmusician> he should be unable to?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> should be able to come
[07:25] <maniacmusician> oh
[07:25] <maniacmusician> okay
[07:25] <maniacmusician> good
[07:25] <Hobbsee> well, what time is it then in london?
[07:25] <maniacmusician> ...no idea...isn't the UK in UTC time as well?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> er, 1 hour later
[07:25] <Hobbsee> so 10pm.  maybe
[07:26] <maniacmusician> hmm yeah I se
[07:26] <maniacmusician> e
[09:01] <Lure> interesting: media:/ is going away for kde4: http://dot.kde.org/1184023148/
[09:54] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i probably wouldnt upgrade yet, btw
[09:56] <_marseillais> hi
[09:56] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, do you have a gutsy running ?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: yes
[09:58] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, could you test something for me? Could you test if after being install normalize-audio is well detect by k3b as a module ?
[10:17] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, for this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/45026 i've made a patch here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/44524 it was in k3b 1.0.1 but it has been remove in 1.0.1
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[10:17] <_marseillais> so now it doesn't work for normalize but it should
[10:18] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: why's it marked as fix released?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: and poke pygi over k3b stuff
[10:19] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, because it has been release in 1.0.1-1ubuntu1 release
[10:19] <_marseillais> oki
[10:19] <Hobbsee> ah right
[10:20] <_marseillais> i'll wait tonio
[10:21] <_marseillais> should i make a new debdiff
[10:21] <_marseillais> ?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> not sure.  a whole lot of it is changing, so you'd really have to go and ask those guys
[11:07] <Riddell> http://www.klikit.org/  yet another kubuntu derived distro
[11:09] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[11:13] <Riddell> seems to be inspired on linspire click and run
[11:13] <Hobbsee> and klik
[11:24] <Riddell> allee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/p2kmoto/0.1~rc1-0ubuntu1/  p2kmoto failed to compile because buildprep patch didn't apply.  Are you able to do your autofoo magic on it?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: poke
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/47455 and fix it?  upstream have found the cause of that bug.
[11:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [High,Confirmed] 
[11:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I can add to me TODO
[11:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i could just milestone it, then hound you over it.  *g*.  do we even need that patch at all?
[11:29] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_ :)
[11:30] <_StefanS_> g'day
[11:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we don't seem to have that patch in gutsy
[11:33] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:/devel/kde3.5.7/kdelibs/kdelibs-3.5.7/debian/patches$ ls *sudo*
[11:33] <Hobbsee> kubuntu_28_fix_sudo.diff
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we do, it's in kdelibs.
[11:34] <Riddell> oh, libs, right
[11:34] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:35] <Riddell> hmm, meh, that stuff is evil complex
[11:35] <Riddell> we /shouldn't/ need it
[11:35] <Riddell> but it might cause files to be chowned to root in your home directory if we lack it
[11:35] <Riddell> but it should be fixed in ice itself now so I guess we could remove it
[11:36] <Hobbsee> tha'ts exactly why i *didnt* just pull it, and fix it that way :)
[11:36] <Hobbsee> then again, we already seem to find some people somehow have files chowned to root in their directories
[11:40] <Riddell> does it cause user problems?
[11:41] <Hobbsee> seems so
[11:41] <Riddell> I'd say we remove the patch and see what breaks
[11:41] <Hobbsee> crashes and whatnot
[11:41] <Hobbsee> cool
[11:41] <Hobbsee> actually, i may have some patches to libs anyway
[11:42] <Hobbsee> so i might upload it here, if that's OK with you
[11:42] <Riddell> go ahead
[11:42] <Riddell> but ask on kubuntu-devel if people notice any problems after running stuff as root
[11:43] <Hobbsee> will do
[11:53] <Riddell> morning kwwii, didn't notice you coming  in
[11:53] <kwwii> Riddell: been talking to ogra about working on the classmatepc ;-)
[12:04] <kwwii> so what kind of desktop wallpaper do we want for Gutsy?
[12:04] <kwwii> color ideas? (do NOT say green)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:04] <Hobbsee> grey?  :P
[12:05] <kwwii> I think that after this version I will leave it up to the community artists ;-)
[12:05] <Hobbsee> why?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that flower picture is gorgeous, if you were going to use that
[12:06] <kwwii> I do not think that everyone else would like it ;-(
[12:06] <kwwii> perhaps we should put it in just to see how people react
[12:06] <Hobbsee> this is the nature of artwork
[12:06] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me
[12:06] <kwwii> then at least we would have something new right away for the test systems
[12:06] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:07] <_StefanS_> kwwii: is the bootsplash going to change for gutsy?
[12:07] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I will probably work some more on the logo but I doubt it will change that much unless someone has some good ideas of things to change
[12:07] <kwwii> I really want to redo kdm
[12:07] <kwwii> the logo in kdm and the ksplash
[12:08] <Riddell> I'm not a fan of photos for default backgrounds myself, they're usually too distracting
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've realised...it looks like it might be possible for me to go to UDS boston.
[12:08] <Riddell> but I'm not entirely against them of course
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, but you're boring, and you work from a terminal all the time :P
[12:08] <Riddell> true that :)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> boring in terms of desktops, anyway
[12:08] <_StefanS_> agreed. :)
[12:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ah, interesting, what changed?
[12:09] <Riddell> oh and do you have the location and dates?  I can't seem to find them
[12:10] <_StefanS_> I would like to see a more sharp appearance
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it ended up that i'd get back about 1 day before the exam period started, rather than th econference finishing 1 day before exams starting, and i'm told that the jetlag coming back from the US isnt so bad
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: launchpad.net/ubuntu
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, and the last lot said in -release
[12:11] <Riddell> kwwii: do you have the current logo?  I need to update the master files
[12:11] <_StefanS_> like the ui being more sharp edged, I think it has all gotten too soft.. imho
[12:12] <_StefanS_> kwwii: maybe you could put the ubuntu version number in the bootsplash ?
[12:30] <kwwii> Riddell: yes, let me put it on my server, one second
[12:30] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I have been told to not put any version numbers on anything
[12:30] <_StefanS_> kwwii ah ok, didn't know that
[12:40] <Lure> kwwii: we should have kubuntu logo on default wallpaper
[12:40] <Lure> kwwii: screenshots have no indication of kubuntu and we should have some
[12:40] <kwwii> Lure: that is another "no-no"
[12:41] <kwwii> I do agree that for screenshots it would be better to use a version with a logo though
[12:41] <kwwii> but for the normal desktop i was told not to use the logo
[12:41] <Lure> kwwii: then we need to persuade Riddell to replace K with Kubuntu icon ;-)
[12:41] <kwwii> although perhaps I could somehow use it without just putting a logo on the artwork
[12:41] <kwwii> lol, good luck
[12:41] <Lure> kwwii: otherwise I will change powermanager icon to kubuntu icon
[12:42] <Lure> kwwii: Riddell hates tray icons even more ;-)
[12:42] <Riddell> you could edit the desktop icon on the panel to have a wee kubuntu logo on it
[12:42] <Riddell> well, actually the system icon has one already
[12:42] <Riddell> so that would look tacky
[12:43] <kwwii> right
[12:43] <Riddell> anyone tried knash recently?
[12:43] <kwwii> I think we are doing the right thing by using the kde logo - it shows how much we rely on the kde community and helps us draw contributors from other, less kde-supportive distros
[12:52] <kwwii> Riddell: http://sinecera.de/KubuntuLogo_newColorsRGB.svg
[12:59] <Riddell> kwwii: groovy.  do you have the shiny one too?
[01:14] <kwwii> Riddell: which shiny version do you mean?
[01:14] <kwwii> the one from the usplash, the new (somewhat uglier one) from KDM/Ksplash or the edgy version?
[01:14] <Riddell> kwwii: the one from kdm
[01:15] <Riddell> kwwii: or whichever in your mind should go at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork for the second version
[01:15] <kwwii> sure, let me find it
[01:15] <Riddell> ScottK: how is s/mime stuff getting on?
[01:15] <kwwii> I think that leaving the version that is there is fine for now as I will make another better version for Gutsy anyway
[01:19] <Riddell> but we want to be complete!
[01:20] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Very well.  Hobbsee uploaded the kdepim changes last week and I have bugmail from keescook that he uploaded the gnupg changes today.  All that's left is documentation.
[01:42] <Riddell> ScottK: wasn't something needing promoted to main?
[01:43] <ScottK> All done.
[01:43] <ScottK> pinentry.
[01:43] <ScottK> The sournce package for gpg-agent was already in main, so it turned out all that was needed for that was to be be a dep of a main package.
[01:50] <Riddell> it needs someone to move it too, did that happen?
[01:50] <Riddell> actually, today is my archive admin day come to think of it
[01:51] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Well I filed a bug as you suggested and seb128 said it wasn't necessary.
[01:52] <Riddell> it will get moved when someone noticed it in anastacia anyway
[01:55] <ScottK> OK.  In any case the new gnupg is uploaded so we should be good except for docs.
[01:58] <Riddell> groovy
[02:04] <ScottK> Riddell: One thing that needs coordination for the long term is that we have a pinentry-qt, but no pinentry-qt4.  I put in a wishlist item with upstream, but porting pinentry to qt4 is something the distros moving to KDE4 might want to work together on.
[02:08] <Riddell> sounds like the sort of thing kdepim people could work on
[02:08] <Riddell> I wonder if they have any plans
[02:12] <ScottK> Perhaps there is someone here who could look into it?
[02:32] <manchicken> Riddell: I hear that you're working on amd64 packages for KDE4 alpha2?
[02:32] <Riddell> manchicken: I'm working on KDE 4 alpha 2 packages generally
[02:32] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[02:33] <Riddell> infact I have them done up to kdebase but then my laptop got stolen for testing compiz so I'm waiting to test them
[02:33] <manchicken> Nice.
[02:33] <manchicken> I've been building them from the tarballs on kde.org and sticking them in /usr/local/kde4 on my machine, but I don't know how to package.
[02:34] <Riddell> and compiz works on my laptop, which is a first
[02:34] <manchicken> Riddell: The same laptop I saw?
[02:34] <Riddell> the one with duct tape on it :)
[02:34] <manchicken> Does it work _well_?
[02:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you tape on a non-ati card then ? :)
[02:35] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Having seen it, I'm surprised to find out the insides are more than mere cardboard :)
[02:35] <Riddell> cardboard doesn't make worrying clicking noises like my laptop can
[02:36] <manchicken> So true.  Good trustworthy cardboard.
[03:18] <ScottK> nixternal: I updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KMailGPGAgent (I'm pinging you here since I don't know how closely you read your wiki subscription mail) with the changes for Gutsy that should go in the Tribe 3 release notes.  Let me know if you need anything else.
[03:28] <_marseillais> ScottK, is it usefull for people allready using feisty, kmail and pinentry and for whom it works fine ?
[03:28] <ScottK> _marseillais: If you've already got it working, then no need to mess with anything.  We've just made some of the hoops you had to jump through more automagic for Gutsy.
[03:38] <_marseillais> oki thanks ScottK
[03:40] <ScottK> Riddell: If you are archive admining today, I'd appreciate it if you would accept python-scientific 2.4.11-1build1.1 to feisty-proposed.
[04:54] <claydoh> wow sabdfl made a comment on my ever-growing bug report ( bug #85488 )
[04:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85488 in sane-backends "some usb_devices fault if usb_suspend enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85488
[05:23] <nixternal> who has some money for me?
[05:24] <Riddell> what for?
[05:44] <nixternal> for whatever I guess :)
[05:55] <ScottK> !nixternal
[05:55] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[06:14] <ScottK> nixternal: BTW, I've improved the gpg documentation about as much as I can stand.
[06:21] <manchicken_> I don't really think that bug 124986 is really a bug... looks like a very likely case of misunderstanding.
[06:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124986 in adept "adept manager needs sudo to work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124986
[06:23] <ScottK> manchicken_: At the very least I'd say wontfix because it's not a supported configuration.
[06:43] <Riddell> woo, KDE 4 alpha is surprisingly stable
[06:59] <Riddell> hellish slow though
[07:07] <Lure> Riddell: running it in xnest or on own X server?
[07:09] <Riddell> Lure: own x server, xephyr crashes for me
[07:09] <Lure> Riddell: yep, that was my experience too
[07:09] <manchicken_> Riddell: Does that mean you have amd64 packages?
[07:10] <Riddell> manchicken_: I've uploaded libs and base to gutsy
[07:10] <Riddell> it needs soprano to get past NEW though
[07:11] <manchicken_> So then it's not really ready to install yet?
[07:13] <rbrunhuber> Hi Riddell: Will there be kde 4 alpha 2 packages on kubuntu.org?
[07:14] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: hopefully they'll be in backports
[07:14] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : Backports to gutsy?
[07:15] <Riddell> backports to feisty
[07:15] <Riddell> gutsy normal
[07:25] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted
[07:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[08:21] <ScottK> Riddell: How much RAM do the buildds have (real and swap)?  I'm looking at pypy being FTBFS in Ubuntu and Debian Bug #431197 and wondering if the buildds have enough resources to build it perhaps.
[08:21] <ubotu> Debian bug 431197 in pypy "pypy - FTBFS: OSError: [Errno 12]  Cannot allocate memory" [Serious,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/431197
[09:01] <Lure> Riddell: did you manage to add kde4 session to kdm?
[09:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you think that there is any chance of getting a version of the updated KDE packages you've already done for dapper published in dapper-backports?
[09:37] <ScottK> I'm working (with some other volunteers) on what would have to be done to get the current clamav backported to Dapper.
[09:38] <ScottK> For that, I need to update klamav and the current klamav wants at least KDE 3.5.2.
[09:38] <ScottK> Thus my question?
[10:26] <fritsch_> ScottK: I fetched the current clamav packages from debian-volatile and recompiled them on dapper, there were only some lines to fix, which dpkg-dev in dapper is not aware of
[10:26] <fritsch_> ScottK: though not knowing, if i did anything right ;-) i have working clamav packages on a dapper server with LTS and outdated virus scanner
[10:28] <ScottK> fritsch_: Yes.  Those are the changes you have to make.
[10:29] <fritsch_> ScottK: a ubuntu-volatile project would be very great, btw.
[10:29] <ScottK> It's been proposed.
[10:29] <fritsch_> ScottK: we installed this dapper server in order to "not having to do something" for 5 years, despite of apt-get upgrade and reboot
[10:29] <ScottK> Right.
[10:30] <ScottK> fritsch_: I've started a team to work on getting clamav current in dapper-backports (so you don't have to do it yourself).
[10:30] <ScottK> fritsch_: Are you interested in helping out?
[10:30] <ScottK> fritsch_: You can join at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clamav.
[10:31] <ScottK> fritsch_: Status of the project is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Clamav.
[10:32] <fritsch_> ScottK: I`ll have a look (or two) - i am really not a good packager - just changed so long, till it was working
[10:32] <ScottK> fritsch_: Mostly what we need is testing help right now.
[10:33] <fritsch_> ScottK: yes, i like to test - starting with the next release they bring out (because of the recompiled volatiles on the server)
[10:33] <fritsch_> ScottK: they <=> clamav upstream
[10:34] <ScottK> Right.  I'm waiting for them to go final for 0.91 before I do it, but if you have a working package to test that with, that'd be great.  We'll have 0.91 before Gutsy is out.
[10:35] <fritsch_> ScottK: sorry, not working package yet, just have: 0.90.2  0.90.3
[10:35] <ScottK> Ah.
[10:35] <ScottK> The package I did (that's mentioned on the wiki above) is 0.90.3.
[10:36] <fritsch_> ScottK: you also took debian-volatile as a basis?
[10:36] <ScottK> No.  Ubuntu Gutsy which came from Debian Unstable with one (very important) Ubuntu specific change.
[10:37] <fritsch_> ScottK: mmh, what was this change?
[10:37] <ScottK> To specify a pidfile when starting freshclam.
[10:37] <fritsch_> hehe
[10:37] <fritsch_> i solved this otherways
[10:37] <ScottK> OK.
[10:38] <fritsch_> PidFile /var/run/clamav/clamd.pid <- this one in the /etc config files?
[10:38] <ScottK> The change is in the freshclam init.
[10:39] <fritsch_> ScottK: yes, i remember, my packages did not start up
[10:39] <fritsch_> ScottK: i manually created directories in my init.d script which is not a good solution
[10:39] <fritsch_> ScottK: but in future i`ll take your packages for testing, etc.
[10:39] <fritsch_> ScottK: and of course report back
[10:40] <ScottK> OK.
[10:41] <ScottK> fritsch_: What architecture do you run?
[10:41] <fritsch_> ScottK: only i386
[10:41] <ScottK> OK.
[10:41] <fritsch_> and it`s in a vmware
[10:42] <fritsch_> we chose the vmware approach because of very easy backups
[10:42] <fritsch_> while loosing less uptime
[10:45] <ScottK> fritsch_: This is the freshclam init change you have to do http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7095161/clamav_0.90.1-freshclam-init.patch
[10:45] <ScottK> It's easy enough once you find the right spot.
[10:46] <fritsch_> ScottK: thx very much, for this time, i copy it in manually
[11:57] <jjesse> evening