[12:43] <thumper> kiko: morning
[12:45] <tristanbob> kiko: I am not a developer, but I wanted to register the project in launchpad to see what it has to offer
[12:45] <tristanbob> the project is called ZipTie (www.ziptie.org)
[12:47] <kiko> tristanbob: okay. would you like to set up CVS import of it?
[01:02] <tristanbob> kiko: I would like to give it a try :)
[01:02] <tristanbob> http://www.ziptie.org/source
[01:06] <kiko> tristanbob: done:
[01:06] <kiko> https://launchpad.net/ziptie/trunk
[01:12] <superm1> hi guys, i saw bug 117829 - and i was curious about PPA, do I get access to it as a launchpad beta user, or is that a sep. beta program?
[01:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117829 in soyuz "Allow PPA only for 'launchpad-beta-testers' members" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117829 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[01:12] <Fujitsu> superm1: I think it's the normal beta group, but your best bet is to just try and see if it works.
[01:12] <superm1> Fujitsu, how do I access that part of launchpad?
[01:12] <Fujitsu> superm1: You need to add a section in your dput.cf, to upload to incoming.dogfood.launchpad.net:~username/ubuntu
[01:12] <superm1> Fujitsu, alright.  i'll see later this evening then.  and then i can just dput dcs's there
[01:12] <superm1> and have them show up at dogfood.launchpad.net i'd take it?
[01:12] <kiko> superm1, or ping cprov tomorrow -- but yes
[01:12] <Fujitsu> They show up in ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net
[01:12] <superm1> are there ppa buildd's then, or it goes into the same pool?
[01:12] <superm1> (as the normal buildds)
[01:12] <Fujitsu> There are two Xen-based buildds dedicated to PPA. They're separate from the normal ones.
[01:12] <superm1> ah wonderful
[01:12] <superm1> they would likely be building much faster than my weak little thinkpad built stuff too:)
[01:12] <Kmos> i'm at beta testing team and isn't today it switchs to beta ?
[02:44] <mpt> Gooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:44] <jml> mpt: It's an early afternoon
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #124984 in rosetta "Two different translations for the same language" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124984
[08:00] <jamesh> spiv, thumper, BjornT: ping (reviewers meeting)
[08:00] <thumper> jamesh: pong
[08:01] <jamesh> unping BjornT since he is at EuroPython
[08:01] <spiv> I'm here.
[08:01] <BjornT> i'm partly here, though
[08:01] <thumper> 3's a quorum I guess
[08:02] <jamesh> == Agenda ==
[08:02] <jamesh>  * Roll call
[08:02] <jamesh>  * Next meeting
[08:02] <jamesh>  * Queue status.
[08:02] <jamesh>  * Timely assignment of queue items
[08:02] <jamesh> lifeless is at EuroPython, so is not here
[08:03] <thumper> here
[08:03] <jamesh> Is everyone happy for the same time next week for the next meeting?
[08:03] <thumper> yeah
[08:03] <lifeless> wish me luck, talk is in a few hours; thank y ou for the incremental diffs; bye
[08:03] <thumper> lifeless: <- luck
[08:04] <BjornT> i'll be sprinting next week
[08:04] <jamesh> okay.  So that's 17th July, 06:00 UTC
[08:05] <jamesh> * Queue status.
[08:05] <thumper> it's long
[08:05] <jamesh> the queue looks huge and has a lot of red
[08:05] <jamesh> I need to finish allocating the remaining reviews
[08:05] <thumper> Due to the slow allocation, I picked off some yesterday
[08:05] <jamesh> thumper: thank you
[08:05] <thumper> I've done six over the past two days
[08:06] <jamesh> as mentioned on the lists, I've implemented incremental diffs now, which should make it easier to allocate reviews fairly
[08:06] <thumper> jamesh: thanks for that
[08:06] <jamesh> and the "Reviewer workload" section should give a better indication of how much work each person has to do
[08:07] <spiv> jamesh: as I said on the list, that sounds excellent.  Thank you.
[08:08] <jamesh> stub has 7 past-due branches in needs-review state
[08:08] <jamesh> I guess they are not too urgent while the db is frozen though
[08:08] <thumper> jamesh: for branches that are in stub's queue and general, it doesn't show properly
[08:09] <thumper> there are about 20 branches in the DBA queue
[08:09] <thumper> (I think)
[08:09] <spiv> thumper: I count 13 needs-review in the DBA queue.
[08:10] <spiv> (hooray for "?highlight=%28needs-review%29"...)
[08:10] <jamesh> thumper: well, if we assume the DBA queue is low priority during freeze and the branch is listed twice, we are more interested in the occurence in the general queue
[08:11] <thumper> jamesh: but the DB isn't unfrozed for all that long
[08:11] <thumper> ideally all the DBA branches should be reviewed and ready for landing prior to unfreezing
[08:11] <thumper> I digress though
[08:11] <jamesh> thumper: sure.  We should check how stub is doing
[08:11] <thumper> DBA reviews are another problem
[08:12] <jamesh> BjornT: you have a branch that is 13 days old.  Do you want to reject it for reassignment?
[08:12] <jamesh> given you're at a conference?
[08:13] <BjornT> jamesh: no, i can review it. it's a post-merge review that i've already reviewed once.
[08:14] <jamesh> BjornT: okay.
[08:14] <jamesh> * Timely assignment of queue items
[08:15] <jamesh> I am allocating reviews while lifeless is away
[08:15] <thumper> hopefully the dependant branch stuff will help
[08:15] <jamesh> I allocated part of the queue yesterday, and was working on finishing the intermediate diff feature before doing the rest
[08:15] <thumper> jamesh: did flacoste's branches scare you off?
[08:15] <jamesh> I'll do the rest after the meeting
[08:15] <jamesh> thumper: trying to balance them scared me off
[08:16] <thumper> :)
[08:16] <jamesh> it is good that he is providing easy to review chunks for the feature though
[08:17] <jamesh> * other business
[08:17] <jamesh> does anyone else have anything to discuss?
[08:18] <thumper> nope
[08:18] <jamesh> okay.  meeting over.
[08:18] <thumper> thanks jamesh
[10:21] <carlos> morning
[10:23] <Hobbsee> morning carlos, seb128, sabdfl and everyone lese who just entered
[10:24] <seb128> hi Hobbsee
[10:49] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Hey, how are you getting on with edge?
[10:51] <Hobbsee> mrevell: seems slow, but havent noticed anything different.  maybe more options on l.n/ubuntu
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #125008 in launchpad "Wrong status from kernel bug tracker fetched" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125008
[10:52] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Ah, I have to say I'm not finding it at all slow.
[10:52] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Is there anything in particular that's running more slowly for you?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> mrevell: well, remember, i am in australia
[10:53] <Hobbsee> dunno. maybe i just perceieve it slower
[10:53] <Hobbsee> it's only a couple of seconds slower, at worst
[10:53] <Hobbsee> so, seeing as the average load time is 15+ seconds (last time i hcecked, it was down to 20 seconds), it's neither here nor there
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #125010 in launchpad-bazaar "HTTP GET and HEAD requests to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~USER/PRODUCT/PERSON are very slow" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125010
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #125016 in soyuz "Port ftpmaster-tools/archive-integrity-check.py to use LP standards" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125016
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #125019 in soyuz "Port ftpmaster-tools/remove-package.py" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125019
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #125022 in soyuz "Port ftpmaster-tools/sync-source.py to use LP standards" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125022
[12:53] <doko> lifeless: trying to convert a baz archive to bzr ...
[12:53] <doko> it starts, then stops with:
[12:54] <doko> $ bzr baz-import baz doko@ubuntu.com--2006-pkg-openofficeimporting doko@ubuntu.com--2006-pkg-openoffice/openofficeorg--ubuntu--2.1 into /home/packages/ooo/bzr/baz/openofficeorg/2.1/ubuntu
[12:54] <doko> unable to access ancestor debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org--packages/openofficeorg--unstable--2.0.1--patch-36, making into a merge.
[12:54] <doko> Cleaning up                                                                            
[12:54] <doko> Import complete.
[12:54] <doko> importing doko@ubuntu.com--2006-pkg-openoffice/openofficeorg--ubuntu--2.2 into /home/packages/ooo/bzr/baz/openofficeorg/2.2/ubuntu
[12:54] <doko> unable to access ancestor debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org--packages/openofficeorg--unstable--2.0.1--patch-36, making into a merge.
[12:54] <doko> Cleaning up                                                                            
[12:54] <doko> bzr: ERROR: Working tree is out of date, please run 'bzr update'.
[12:54] <kiko> morning
[12:54] <doko> sucessful?
[01:04] <kiko> hey this edge redirect is pretty cool!!
[01:18] <RainCT> Hi
[01:19] <kiko> hey
[01:19] <kiko> mpt?
[01:20] <RainCT> what's mpt? :s
[01:21] <kiko> a person
[01:21] <mpt> mpt is nobody important
[01:21] <kiko> mpt!
[01:21] <RainCT> ah ok :P
[01:21] <kiko> mpt, you know aaron schwartz right?
[01:21] <kiko> swartz sorry
[01:22] <mpt> We're virtual aquaintances, yes
[01:22] <kiko> mpt, can you ask him about https://launchpad.net/aaronsw ?
[01:22] <kiko> maybe he was meaning to use staging.
[01:22] <RainCT> the Edge server is pretty unstable :/
[01:22] <mpt> kiko, or maybe he assumed things were deletable
[01:23] <RainCT> loading 2 pages it said 5 times that the server is not answering lol
[01:23] <mpt> kiko, I'll mail him.
[01:23] <kiko> thanks
[01:23] <kiko> RainCT, which pages?
[01:23] <RainCT> kiko: login and editing a bug
[01:24] <kiko> I'm using it with no problems
[01:24] <kiko> maybe you've for intarnet problems?
[01:27] <RainCT> seems to work now
[01:27] <RainCT> may be, but I don't think so since I was opening also other pages and they worked
[01:32] <kiko> BjornT, barry: ping
[01:32] <barry> kiko: pong
[01:33] <kiko> barry, the review queue is looking pretty gnarly. do you have time for a few today?
[01:33] <barry> kiko: sure
[01:34] <kiko> I'll do a few today too.
[01:35] <barry> kiko: do you have some time later today to talk about some xmlrpc stuff?
[01:35] <kiko> barry, I might, but it will be a long day for me
[01:52] <gnomefreak> why does my bug links have bugs.edge.launchpad?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> the .edge. being the part that confused me
[01:53] <gnomefreak> is that the testing release of LP like beta was used?
[02:00] <RainCT> on question, if a team is set as bug contact for a product, do all members of it receive a mail when a bug is reported or is it only send to the team mail?
[02:11] <kiko> gnomefreak, yes
[02:12] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:12] <kiko> RainCT, if there's a team email address then only that will be used
[02:12] <RainCT> ok thanks
[02:12] <kiko> gnomefreak, read more about this on the launchpad users list
[02:12] <gnomefreak> kiko: ok will do ty
[02:38] <BjornT> kiko: pong
[02:45] <kiko> BjornT, how are you looking to do some reviews today? I know you're EPing..
[02:47] <BjornT> kiko: i'll see if i find time to do some small ones.
[02:53] <kiko> thanks BjornT 
[03:00] <lifeless> doko: not successful no. Also, #bzr!
[03:16] <brmassa> guys, i just created a project on Launchpad. now i need to import all my files on it. how i do this?
[03:17] <brmassa> i went to "register a branch" but it needs "Branch URL", which i dont know what means...
[03:25] <brmassa> jamesh, bac, beuno, carlos, fernando1?
[03:25] <kiko> brmassa, what do you mean by import all my files?
[03:25] <kiko> brmassa, do you have a subversion or CVS repository? or do you want to use bzr?
[03:26] <brmassa> kiko, thanks! well... my new project is only on my computer. im not using yet any vcs...
[03:27] <brmassa> i want to use bazaar+launchpad.
[03:27] <brmassa> im familiar with 
[03:27] <brmassa> CVS
[03:27] <kiko> brmassa, okay. here's some help:
[03:28] <brmassa> i have the latest bazaar here. 0.17
[03:29] <brmassa> i know how to locally version my files but i dont have a clue how to integrate with external repositories. how to export the files to launchpad specially.
[03:29] <kiko> one sec.
[03:29] <brmassa> yep
[03:30] <kiko> https://help.launchpad.net/BazaarLinks
[03:30] <kiko> http://ddaa.net/blog/launchpad/bzr-hosting
[03:30] <ddaa> meh?
[03:30] <ddaa> isn't there anything more recent and maintained?
[03:31] <matsubara> I think the help tab in https://code.launchpad.net/ is better for what brmassa wants
[03:31] <ddaa> or that: During our last meeting in London, I made a point that a killer feature
[03:31] <ddaa> for bzr was "good brainless two-way interoperation with svn". And I
[03:31] <ddaa> mean killer feature as in "wake up one day and find out we have taken
[03:31] <ddaa> over the world".
[03:31] <ddaa> oops
[03:32] <ddaa> or that: https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/EasyBranching
[03:32] <brmassa> jezz!! thanks kiko. matsubara, i went there and i didnt find anything i needed.
[03:32] <kiko> cool
[03:34] <matsubara> well, the help tab seems to explain how to push a branch to LP, but I might have misunderstood what you need...
[03:38] <brmassa> matsubara, well... all launchpad is so big and connected that its confusing. maybe you are right. im gonna look all these pages. thanks all
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #125042 in launchpad "Race condition in team invite form leads to OOPS" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125042
[04:42] <theuni> Is any admin online who can help me removing a broken branch directory from lp?
[04:42] <lifeless> not so easily :)
[04:42] <theuni> :/
[04:42] <lifeless> we don't really support deletion of branches as such; what is wrong though - is it a bad branch, or you just want to be able to push clean again?
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #125050 in launchpad "It didn't get my registration correct" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125050
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #125068 in malone "Bugzilla bug watch updater crashes on POSTs that return a HTTP error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125068
[08:52] <tsmithe> hi. i've noticed that more and more people have PPAs these days, so i went to dogfood. to check it out, and activated mine (i think it would be useful for testing my packages, and maybe the ubuntustudio-dev team could go on to use one). however, i'm stuck as to where to upload to
[09:01] <kiko> tsmithe, ask cprov! :)
[09:02] <tsmithe> cprov, hi!
[09:02] <kiko> but many people here should know too
[09:02] <kiko> Fujitsu and crimsun for instance
[09:03] <tsmithe> cool, thanks :) i'm not in a hurry :)
[09:03] <kiko> Gwaihir, do you have a PPA?
[09:04] <Gwaihir> PPA? sorry... don't know what you mean...
[09:04] <Gwaihir> :(
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #125103 in soyuz "ppa archives are not signed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125103
[09:10] <Gwaihir> not that I know...
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #125104 in soyuz "build listing contains architectures other than i386 and amd64" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125104
[09:13] <cprov> tsmithe: hi
[09:13] <tsmithe> how do i upload to my PPA?
[09:13] <kiko> tsmithe, siretart too
[09:14] <tsmithe> (what directory? fqdn = ppa.dogfood.net? user = tsmithe [for eg] )
[09:17] <superm1> cprov, what user / pw are you supposed to be using to use ppa?  I had just put in the first part of my LP login, and junk for a password 
[09:17] <superm1> and it appeared dput let me push it
[09:17] <tsmithe> dput will push it, but LP will most likely reject it
[09:17] <superm1> it got rejected, but that aws a different reason
[09:17] <superm1> i had UNRELEASED in the changelog
[09:17] <cprov> tsmithe: superm1: ~/dput.rc
[09:17] <cprov> [my-ppa] 
[09:17] <cprov> fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net 
[09:17] <cprov> incoming = ~<LP_NAME>/ubuntu/
[09:17] <cprov> login = anonymous
[09:17] <superm1> rather than gutsy
[09:18] <superm1> there we go.  great :)
[09:18] <superm1> are there team ppa's to?
[09:18] <superm1> *too
[09:18] <tsmithe> cprov, aaah thanks
[09:19] <cprov> superm1: yes, use the team '~<LPNAME>'
[09:20] <superm1> ooh even better.  in the end, do these show up on as a apt-get'able repo, or just as debs in a folder on dogfood?
[09:20] <kiko> superm1, the latter
[09:21] <superm1> at least wget'able then to place on a diff repo then
[09:21] <superm1> where is the url they will show up?
[09:22] <kiko> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[09:22] <kiko> superm1, look at that page.
[09:22] <superm1> heyo, thats pretty sweet
[09:24] <superm1> so the intended use for ppas is to provide builds prior to pushing through the normal buildds (as a pbuilder/sbuild alternative), or for revus and such too?
[09:24] <siretart> kiko: sorry?
[09:24] <kiko> superm1, the latter.
[09:25] <superm1> ah so this will eventually be replacing revu.tauware.de?
[09:25] <siretart> superm1: rather complement
[09:25] <kiko> complement, correct.
[09:25] <superm1> siretart, so the process will eventually move to uploading to both?
[09:26] <jkakar> I seem to keep getting redirected to edge.launchpad.net... is that expected?  Do changes made on edge affect production data?
[09:26] <siretart> superm1: I'd rather see REVU using ppas as package backend. eventually, you submit the url to a source package to revu, instead of uploading a sourc epackage
[09:26] <jkakar> I seem to keep getting redirected to edge.launchpad.net... is that expected?  Do changes made on edge affect production data?
[09:26] <jkakar> Oops. :)
[09:26] <superm1> siretart, and that would improve revu's ability to run linda/lintian on binary files too.  i see
[09:26] <superm1> siretart, how far out is that?
[09:27] <siretart> superm1: not started. 
[09:27] <Kmos> jkakar: yes.. at http://launchpad.net you can remove the beta for a time
[09:28] <jkakar> Kmos: Ah, thanks.
[09:28] <superm1> i don't think i read that right, so changes will be affecting production data too?
[09:28] <superm1> or no
[09:28] <Kmos> superm1: for edge!
[09:29] <kiko> jkakar, yes, edge is production, and it's expected -- read launchpad-users.
[09:29] <jkakar> kiko: Cool will do, thanks.
[09:30] <siretart> kiko: can you sync the group membership data from production to dogfood?
[09:31] <cprov> siretart: not easily, but I can add membership per-request
[09:33] <siretart> cprov: oh, then leave it, its then not worth the efford
[09:35] <rajazz> hello!!!
[09:35] <rajazz> i want to register, anyone knows the service??
[09:35] <siretart> rajazz: on the upper right, there is a link for login/register
[09:36] <rajazz> where do i register with /msj xxxxxx REGISTER xxxxxxxx
[09:36] <rajazz> siretart: thanks
[09:38] <rajazz> siretart: i registered with the folloewin':   /msg NickServ REGISTER  [passwrd]   :D
[09:38] <rajazz> thanks :D
[09:39] <rajazz> there is a difference with other servers... like OFTC
[09:44] <rajazz> i need shippin' CDs to me, cause i'm installin' some SO in Argentina...
[09:45] <rajazz> a friend show me ubuntu... that's great
[09:45] <rajazz> but i have a a stupid question... :-/
[09:46] <rajazz> about xubuntu... i don't know really what is Xubuntu ???
[09:47] <rajazz> i gonna to read somethin' about in the www
[09:47] <rajazz> by bye and have a good time... :D
[09:50] <kiko> beuno, ping?
[09:50] <beuno> kiko: pong
[09:50] <kiko> beuno!
[09:50] <beuno> kiko!
[10:38] <superm1> is there an appropriate way to make translations accessible to a package on LP?
[10:38] <kiko> accessible, superm1?
[10:38] <superm1> i've had someone contact me interested in helping with translations for mythtv, which we already have a debian/po directory
[10:39] <superm1> but i'm not sure how they get started
[10:39] <superm1> and our templates in debian/POTFILES.in
[10:44] <kiko> superm1, why don't you just upload templates for the upstream https://launchpad.net/mythtv ?
[10:45] <superm1> kiko, I wasn't sure about how we do it, i've never worked with templates before :)
[10:45] <kiko> https://translations.beta.launchpad.net/mythtv/
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #125125 in launchpad-answers "Text is right justified for this specific answer site" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125125
[10:46] <superm1> once they are there, do we just regularly grab them from that url?
[10:46] <superm1> to add back into the package?
[10:46] <superm1> or is debconf-updatepo smart enough to figure that out somehow?
[10:47] <kiko> superm1, what happens is that upstream translations are shared
[10:47] <kiko> with package translations
[10:47] <kiko> ask danilo_ or carlos for more info :)
[10:47] <superm1> so its basically just thrown into a big pool then
[10:47] <kiko> not exactly
[10:47] <kiko> but they are shared through a few policies
[10:47] <superm1> common phrases
[10:48] <kiko> that I'm not 100% sure of :)
[10:48] <superm1> okay so once my po file is there though, how do i pull those updates into my updated debian package then?
[10:49] <kiko> superm1, you'd basically need to download them and msgmerge them in.
[10:49] <kiko> superm1, is your package in ubuntu?
[10:49] <superm1> kiko, yes
[10:49] <superm1> i regularly publish updates to it
[10:50] <kiko> superm1, in universe?
[10:50] <superm1> kiko, multiverse
[10:50] <kiko> gotcha
[10:50] <superm1> so its a manual download and merge though
[10:50] <kiko> so yeah, I believe you can download or msgmerge right now
[10:50] <kiko> unfortunately it's somewhat manual, though you can automate parts of it
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #125126 in blueprint "Broken "register a blueprint" link on certain blueprint listing pages." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125126
[10:52] <superm1> well i'll submit the po later this evening when i get home then.
[10:52] <superm1> and go from there
[10:52] <superm1> what about software that isn't listed on launchpad.net/PACKAGE
[10:52] <superm1> but is just a package available in ubuntu
[10:53] <superm1> is there somewhere different to submit translations to?
[10:56] <danilo_> superm1: for those which are not in Ubuntu main, you usually go directly upstream (just like launchpad.net/PACKAGE is 'upstream' for others, so basically, you always go 'upstream')
[10:58] <superm1> so if i was to take a package in universe, say 'backstep', its not on launchpad.net/PACKAGE, or in debian upstream, so where would that go?
[11:41] <superm1> danilo_, ^