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TheMusocjwatson_: Are you ok with me merging festival?09:13
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cjwatson_TheMuso: sure10:20
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Hobbseemorning cjwatson10:22
cjwatsongood morning10:23
cjwatsonexcellent, apt upgrades without complaints this morning10:23
Hobbseeindeed.  thank mvo for that one10:23
Hobbseecjwatson: is henrik there with you?10:23
cjwatsonHobbsee: I did a chunk of it yesterday, actually ... ;)10:24
cjwatsonHobbsee: haven't seen him yet this morning, but he is here this week, yes10:24
Hobbseecjwatson: okay, and yousrelf then.  i just saw his name on the changelog :)10:24
Hobbseecjwatson: when he comes, if you remember, could you ask him to contact me?10:24
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Hobbseemorning bryce10:25
=== mvo waves to cjwatson
Hobbseemorning mvo10:25
cjwatsonHobbsee: ok10:26
Hobbseecjwatson: thanks10:26
cjwatsonmvo: guten Morgen10:26
mvoguten morgen Hobbsee10:27
Hobbseemorgen mvo.  Wie gehts?10:27
mvoHobbsee: danke, gut10:28
Hobbsee:)10:28
LaserJock... and you've tapped out my knowledge of German ;-)10:29
Hobbseehehe10:30
Hobbseemine's quickly dying.  although i was reminded of a whole heap of it, going thru frankfurt airprot10:30
siretartYay, deutsche Kabal bei der Arbeit :)10:31
siretartmorning *10:31
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Hobbseearbeit...arbeit....10:31
Hobbseecome on brain, give me the translation...10:32
Hobbseeah :)10:32
LaserJockHobbsee: more like "come on Google, give me the translation..."10:32
StevenKHeh10:32
HobbseeLaserJock: the brain recognised the word, so it had a chance at the translation10:33
Hobbseemorgen ogra10:33
ograhey Hobbsee10:33
ogratraining german ?10:33
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Hobbseeogra: we decided english was too boring, and switched to german today10:33
ograsehr gut :)10:33
Hobbseeogra: i actually learned german for about 5 years.  unfortunately, never very much of it.10:34
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ograHobbsee, you should visit german then :)10:34
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Hobbseeogra: clearly you didnt hear me defaulting to german when people would speak to me in spanish, while at UDS.10:34
StevenKI did 2 years of German in high school. I never picked up much, and that was 13 years ago.10:34
Hobbseeogra: i plan to.  will probably move there, actually.  somewhere in the future.10:34
thom*giggle* glad i'm not the only person who does that10:35
Hobbseethom: :)10:35
Hobbsee"if it's not english, then it must be german.  oh wait"10:35
LaserJockHobbsee: I kept mixing French and Spanish10:36
tepsipakkiI did 5 years in school, but never used it much.. besides my wife is teaching in Deutsche Schule Helsinki so there hardly is need for it either :)10:36
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HobbseeLaserJock: nice...nice...10:36
thom"je voudrais dos cervesas por favor"?10:36
ajmitchheh10:37
Keybukmy German has degraded so much that I'm not sure I could tell it from Spanish10:39
Hobbseeogra: just convince them to hold another UDS or something in somewhere german-speaking, please.10:39
Hobbseehaha10:39
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thomwe could do the netherlands and really confuse things for you10:39
LaserJockHobbsee: they'll probably do it someplace silly ... like London ;-)10:40
HobbseeLaserJock: well, i would like to visit london, so no problems ther.e10:40
LaserJockI *think* I might be able to translate ok there10:40
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Hobbseemorning calc10:40
Mithrandirhm, am I the only one who get BADSIG on http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release?10:43
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Hobbseegreetings Mithrandir, dholbach10:45
dholbachhiya Hobbsee10:45
Mithrandirhello, Hobbsee10:46
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calcHobbsee: hi :)10:46
Hobbsee:)10:46
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calcno more jet lag for me (i hope)10:46
Hobbseeheh10:47
Hobbseebut jetlag is oh so fun!10:48
calcheh, yea right10:48
calcdoko: did ooo fail due to those two empty de.po files (that is what i got from reading the log anyway)10:50
dokocalc: yes10:51
dokocalc: if you do want to investigate on your laptop, run debian/rules gsi-export10:52
dokomaybe the new version of translate-toolkit is the cause10:52
calcdoko: ok10:52
calchmm yea it jumped from 0.10.1-1 to 1.0.1-1 on july 510:54
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calcshould be relatively easy to determine if it is the cxause10:55
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Hobbseeerk, cjwatson appears to be going thru teh ubuntu-devel moderation queue11:17
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calcdoes FOO+=bar in make automatically add a space before the added item?11:30
calcand is there a way to keep it from doing that?11:30
cjwatsoncalc: yes, see 'info make Appending'11:32
cjwatson(it automatically adds a space)11:32
calcok11:32
cjwatsonI don't see a way to keep it from doing that, unless you can get away with using 'FOO := $(FOO)bar'11:32
cjwatsonsee that info node first though, as that's a little different11:32
calcthe particular issue is PATH+=:/usr/sbin in this case11:33
calcwhich seems to cause issue since path then contains a space11:33
cjwatsonah, PATH := $(PATH):/usr/sbin ought to be a reasonable answer then11:33
calccjwatson: ok11:33
calcyep that worked, thanks11:34
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mvois someone here who uses evms? if so, could you please put the content to a pastebin for me?12:32
dholbachmvo: which content?12:33
dholbach(not that I use it, ...)12:33
mvo*cough*12:34
mvothe content of /proc/mounts please :)12:34
mvothanks dholbach12:34
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Mithrandirbryce: could you please get the xserver with the composite patch needed for mobile in?01:24
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StevenKMithrandir/pitti: Would you mind giving kwave back on sparc when you have a spare second? Thanks.01:34
pittiStevenK: done01:34
StevenKpitti: Thanks!01:35
pitticheers :)01:35
StevenKpitti: NBS has exploded with 2.6.22-7 stuff, by the way01:36
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ScottKkeescook: Thanks for taking care of gnupg.  That completes the code changes for S/MIME by default (and GPG as a bonus) in kmail for Gutsy.  Now documentation ...01:40
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Yagisan_doko, ping01:53
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Yagisandoko, I was told to point you at this -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.1/+bug/12503101:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125031 in gcc-4.1 "defines BIG_ENDIAN on little endian machines" [Undecided,New] 01:54
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Keybukiwj: I'm dropping the udev suppress-syslog patch02:17
KeybukKay agreed that it made no sense to use syslog() if --verbose is given02:18
Keybukso udevd --verbose will now do exactly what you want02:18
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iwjKeybuk: Excellent.02:19
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StevenKHrm. It looks like sejong hates the world.02:20
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pittiStevenK: sparc FTW!02:21
StevenKHeh02:21
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KeybukIn fact, all our patches to udevd can be dropped \o/02:30
calcKeybuk: udevd won't turn into network manager when the patches are dropped will it? ;)02:40
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ograoh now that would be fun :)02:41
ograi'D be curious how the udevd-applet would look like then ;)02:42
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infinityStevenK: sejong and artigas both, interestingly... Both rescued now.02:48
StevenKinfinity: Great, thanks02:49
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Keybukcalc: no02:58
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seb128TheMuso: no need to open bugs about new desktop package versions, they are listed on desktop todo wiki already03:27
TheMusoseb128: ok03:28
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tkamppeterpitti, ping03:38
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pittitkamppeter: pong03:38
tkamppeterpitti, can you have a look at bug 41267, it seems that CUPS still does not log for some people.03:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 41267 in cupsys "cupsys cannot create error_log" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4126703:40
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tkamppeterpitti, another problem is bug 112803, could probably not be reproduced upstream and so never got fixed.03:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112803 in cupsys "MASTER [Feisty]  cupsd leaking file descriptors (was: Multiple jobs are not printed)" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11280303:45
keescookScottK: rockin'!  thanks (to you and geser) for getting things gathered and pinging me.  :)03:45
pittitkamppeter: it's still on my radar, but no time yet; maybe you can have a look? I probably won't have time this week during the sprint03:46
ScottKkeescook: BTW, we will now have S/MIME and GPG sigining and encryption by default for Kmail for Gutsy.  This was the last piece.03:46
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keescooknice indeed.  :)03:46
ScottKNow that pinentry is in Main, it might be possible to do that with other MUAs (but since I don't use them, I've no idea).03:47
seb128TheMuso: oh, you worked on updates?03:47
ScottKkeescook: Did you see my ping on #ubuntu-motu yesterday about libnet-dns-perl?03:48
seb128TheMuso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/WeeklyTODO you can update the wiki to claim update you work on03:48
TheMusoseb128: Yeah, sorry I should have summarised a bit better.03:48
seb128TheMuso: add links to the packages and we will review them03:48
TheMusoseb128: Ok.03:48
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tkamppeterpitti, then I will move all this stuff over to after the sprint. When it is over?03:56
pittitkamppeter: just this week03:56
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pbnd04:12
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pkl_dent04:29
StevenKpitti: No fair showing glew and parrot in NBS if the new binaries haven't made it past NEW. :-)04:31
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sivangis pitti around at all?04:32
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keescookScottK: I may have missed it; I was tracking that bug (I think I requested the gutsy sync already).04:44
ScottKkeescook: http://lwn.net/Alerts/240438/ is a libnet-dns-perl security issue that we appear to have in all released versions.04:45
=== ScottK is curious how significant you think that is.
keescookI think it needs to be fixed, but it was low on my personal list of things to do.04:46
ScottKOK.  Thanks.  I'll look into it if I have time.04:47
keescookvery cool; thanks.04:47
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geserkeescook: I'll update the patches for the gsambad CVE. I wonder why Debian didn't create a dpatch.04:52
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persiageser: Some members of the debian security team don't like dpatch for several reasons.04:53
imbrandonBenC, ping ( kernel issue )04:53
keescookgeser: yeah I'm not sure either; it's kind of odd -- especially given that the fix isn't a full fix.  I haven't had a chance to ask the uploader.04:54
geserkeescook: the code touches the tmpfile and redirects the output from smbstatus into it, so it needs a filename04:57
geserdoes it work if mkstemp generates the file and also opens them?04:57
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Riddellmr_pouit: what's the method behind all your sync requests?05:30
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keescookgeser: yeah, the fact that the fd is open is no problem; frequently one can just mkstemp and close the fd.  The file (with good name and permissions) will remain.05:42
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pittiStevenK: heh, will happen soonish :)05:49
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tsmithehi - i was wondering if an archive admin could check out the ubuntustudio-look package in binary NEW; thanks :)05:53
geserkeescook: does mkstemp generate better file names than tempnam?05:57
keescookgeser: it's the fact that mkstemp actually _creates_ the file, rather than just generating a name.  there is (a very hard but possible) race condition between the mktmpname, the touch, and the chmod.05:58
keescookmkstemp basically handles all three operations (name, touch, chmod) in an un-raceable way.05:59
geserand the template given to mkstemp contains the created filename?05:59
geserthe manpage is a little bit short on that part06:00
keescookright.  So, for example "gsambad-XXXXXX" which could result in gsambad-jX6f4206:00
keescookit literally expects the argument to have 6 trailing "X" characters.  (kinda odd)06:00
geserok, will prepare an updated debdiff06:00
keescookvery cool!  thanks, I'll propose it to debian as well when you're done.  :)06:01
geserhave you had also time to look on the fireflier debdiffs?06:01
keescookI was actually looking at them right now.  :)06:01
keescookI was trying to figure out why the debdiff has two changelogs.  :)06:01
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keescookaaaand, this update from Debian is "unsafe" too.06:02
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pittiseb128: NO_PKG_MANGLE=106:04
keescookthey should be doing    oldmask=$(umask); umask 0077; mkdir -p /var/run/fireflier; umask "$oldmask"06:04
keescookin the maketmpdir function.06:05
keescookgeser: ^^06:05
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seb128pitti: thanks06:06
geserkeescook: doesn't the chmod 700 sets the dir permissions to safe values?06:06
keescookgeser: correct, but in the time between the mkdir and a chmod, someone can enter the directory.  It's a very very very minor race, but if it's being corrected, it should be corrected fully.  :)06:07
gesergood, will prepare updated debdiffs too06:07
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geserthe debdiff for edgy has some problems with gnomeclient/configure.ac which makes it FTBFS06:09
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keescookmathiaz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto06:16
cjwatsonkeescook: I believe mkdir -m 0700 would be safe as well06:18
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cjwatsonand is less effort than messing with umask06:19
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keescookcjwatson: ah! right, yes, that would be cleaner.06:19
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keescookshawarma: we just had a short discussion about ebox+sudo.  it has been suggested that it switch from using sudo to using userv...06:37
kentebox?06:39
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ograkeescook, let me guess who suggested *grin*06:43
keescookogra: I bet you'll win.  :)  cjwatson seemed to agree, though, so without having used userv or looking at the ebox, I agreed too.  ;)06:44
keescook*the ebox source06:44
cjwatsonreally just because editing /etc/sudoers from a maintainer script is a bit of a nightmare06:44
=== ogra wasnt aware they rovide any source for it :) http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-2300.htm
Mithrandirwe could have /etc/sudoers.d06:45
cjwatsonand liable to make experienced sysadmins crap themselves06:45
Mithrandir:-P06:45
ogra*provide06:45
cjwatsonogra: not that ebox06:45
ograheh, indeed :)06:45
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xxxxx1algum core-dev de florianpolis aqui no #?06:47
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geserkeescook: here is the updated debdiff for gsambad: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8357940/feisty.debdiff06:52
geserI've also reopened the bug as gutsy has also this suboptimal patch06:52
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geserkeescook: re the fireflier patch: is "mkdir -m 0700 /var/run/fireflier" really enough? what if the attacker creates that dir before the init-script and puts a symlink there?06:58
evandseb128: http://rookery.ubuntu.com/~evand/uploaded/06:59
evandthanks again06:59
seb128evand: thank *you* for doing the update ;)06:59
shawarmakeescook: userv?07:00
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geserkeescook: ah, /var/run/fireflier/fireflier.rules gets removed before the output is redirected there, so it should be safe, right?07:04
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seb128evand: uploaded07:10
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asacpitti: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29386/ ... this doesn't stop from activation to be redone, but the interface should be teared down anymore07:17
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gesercan someone explain me why dict-wn build from word-net (universe) is in main?07:35
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Keybukgnargh, my kernel didn't compile07:44
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cprovsiretart: Fujitsu: shawarma: could you, please, check the PPA UI prototype:07:54
cprovhttps://dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas07:54
cprovhttps://dogfood.launchpad.net/~shawarma/+archive07:54
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siretartcprov: sweet!08:42
cprovsiretart: thanks08:42
siretartcprov: I assume you want feedback on the ui. What form do you prefer? irc, email, malone?08:42
cprovsiretart: malone (product -> soyuz, tag -> ppa)08:43
mr_pouitRiddell: bugs listed on this page: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html, which are also in ubuntu (ftbfs...)08:43
siretartokay. willdo08:43
cprovsiretart: check what pitti did -> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive :)08:43
siretartwow!08:44
cprov1606 langpacks ?08:44
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siretartbusy martin :)08:44
siretartcprov: btw, are you aware that the certificate on dogfood has expired?08:45
cprovsiretart: yes, I know. I will file a RT now before I forget08:46
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cprovsiretart: done08:48
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siretartcjwatson: why is live-initramfs blacklisted from syncing from debian? AIUI the ubuntu live system is handled in casper, and live-initramfs is the debian fork? (bug #124600)09:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 124600 in live-initramfs "Please sync live-initramfs (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12460009:05
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Keybuk*bounce*10:03
pittiKeybuk: kernel finally works now? :)10:03
Keybuknope :-/10:03
Keybukjust bouncing anyway10:03
Keybukannoyingly pretty sunset10:03
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mjg59Wow. You're managing to get back to the hotel for 9?10:05
pittiyeah, we just had some pizza :)10:06
ion_Dont remind me of food, please. ;-)10:06
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ion_catch :cake do yield end10:09
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Keybukpitti: I need to find out which header declares a structure I'm using to reference another :-/10:11
pittiKeybuk: happy grepping then10:12
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ion_keybuk: happy cscoping then10:13
Keybukcs?10:13
ion_apt-cache show cscope10:15
geser!info cscope10:16
ubotucscope: Interactively examine a C program source. In component universe, is optional. Version 15.6-2 (feisty), package size 148 kB, installed size 608 kB10:16
Keybukcscope on the kernel seems drastic10:16
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pittiwwoods: here?10:24
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hardwarehankhello10:25
Keybukyay it built; unfortunately it means my patch is no longer one line :-/10:25
hardwarehankneverblue: i have an ext3 partition with a bunch of data on it in a dir called 'old'.  I want to install ubuntu on that partition without losing the '/old' directory in a format. How?10:26
hardwarehank-neverblue10:26
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pittiwwoods: hi! I was just looking at the bzr merge of your branch; that looks manageable, so I'll merge it into trunk; unless there's something that doesn't work yet?10:27
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wwoodsI think pretty much everything works10:29
wwoodsIIRC there's no obvious STUB / FIXME lines10:29
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pitticool10:29
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wwoodsoh wait - get_available_version() is a stub (I lie and say that every package is already up-to-date)10:39
wwoodsand get_source_tree() is a stub but.. I think maybe apport-retrace-fedora won't use it10:39
wwoodsget_available_version is actually a really easy fix, I've just been working on getting everything else working first10:40
wwoodsbut yeah, I think it's OK to commit that stuff to trunk10:40
geserMithrandir: have you an idea why dict-wn build from word-net (universe) ended in main?10:41
Kmos!info wine-doors10:46
ubotuPackage wine-doors does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas10:46
Kmoshttp://www.wine-doors.org/releases/wine-doors_0.1-1_all.deb10:46
Kmosv0.1 is out =)10:46
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Kmosgeser: this one is for you :) when u've time10:48
cromohi. I was about to install flashplugin today under feisty and couldn't because of md5sum mismatch. this is due to recent flash plugin update (to 0 9.0.47) - the package for feisty is still 9.0.36 IFRC. Any ideas? This is my girlfriend's desktop, I am archlinux guy so don't really know what is going on under ubuntu :)10:48
cromoIt seems that this has not been reported yet10:48
cromo(I looked in launchpad, but not very precisely to be honest)10:48
cromoI tried to ask at #ubuntu, but all the answers pointed on how to install it manually, which is not the proper way out10:49
gnomefreakcromo: the newest flash is broken thats why we havent updated it in gutsy and as for feisty im not sure it will be upgraded for feisty10:50
cromook, but there's still a md5mismatch10:51
cromothe script downloads the newer version and expects the older10:51
gnomefreakcromo: it does?10:51
cromoindeed10:51
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cromoI tried many times and it was all the same10:51
cromoe.g. md5 mismatch10:52
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cromoI guess that the link inside the script points to the neweset tarball version available at macromedia's10:53
gnomefreakflashplugin-nonfree 9.0.31.0.2ubuntu1 [15.4kB] 10:54
gnomefreakworks fine here10:54
gnomefreakcromo: do you have automatix or 3rd party repos that might have it in it10:54
gnomefreakoh hold that thought10:54
cromonope, clean feisty install10:55
gnomefreakcromo: it still installs the right version but yes that is weird10:55
cromohold on a sec10:56
cromoI'll ask my gf to show the output of the console10:56
gnomefreakim wondering if adobe didnt drop the 9.0.3110:56
gnomefreakif they dropped it and used same link for the newest version10:56
cromoit seems so10:56
gnomefreakthe flash source just grabs the generic named tarball10:57
cromognomefreak: what's even more weird, it does install the package despite md5 mismatch10:59
gnomefreakcromo: it did here10:59
cromobut the package doesn't contain the plugin itself10:59
cromognomefreak: it did at my gf's, too10:59
gnomefreakpolicy shows it installed here10:59
cromoright, but the plugin files are not there10:59
gnomefreakim grabbing source see if i can find something that jumps out slaps me in face11:00
cromosure11:00
cromobtw. I was really, really impressed with feisty. I previously used badger before switching to archlinux (needed something more "hackish"), and the progress is _immense_11:00
gnomefreakcromo: we should move this to #ubuntu-motu11:00
cromook11:01
cromolet's do11:01
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Mithrandirgeser: probably because I suck11:54
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geserso I should add to bug #124626 that dict-wn should be moved to universe before the sync?11:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 124626 in wordnet "[Sync Request]  Sync wordnet  (1:3.0-2)  from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12462611:56
Mithrandirgeser: no, fixed.11:56
MithrandirI just did it now.11:57
geserthanks11:57
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Mithrandirhappy to help12:01
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