[12:13] apacheLAGger: No big deal. I'll get over it. === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] ScottK: ok ^_^ === apacheLAGger scuttles off to bed [12:14] Hi persia [12:14] I've some build logs for adour from PPA [12:15] geser: Great! Any clues about pkg-config? [12:15] http://librarian.dogfood.launchpad.net/7747178/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.ardour_1%3A2.0.2-2ubuntu2%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz === TheMuso looks. [12:15] Hey persia, geser. [12:15] scons: Configure: Checking for pkg-config version >= 0.8.0... [12:16] pkg-config --atleast-pkgconfig-version=0.8.0 [12:16] /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected [12:16] Hi TheMuso [12:16] whats dogfood? [12:16] geser: Cool! We can replicate without the actual buildds :) [12:16] lp beta? [12:16] that's the same error as in xmms2 before it moved away from scons [12:16] Wow. [12:16] jmg: PPA [12:16] ppa? [12:16] jmg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_one%27s_own_dog_food [12:17] persia: i know what that means, its our company motto :) [12:17] So am I guessing that its a pkg-config problem? [12:17] i was just wondering what dogfood.lp.net was [12:17] there was some change on the buildds some time ago, so the error message isn't that verbose as in the beginning [12:17] minghua: according to --contents there is no /.deb [12:17] geser: that looks like a bash to nash error? [12:17] but if i install it creates a /.deb [12:17] TheMuso: Except that any recent version of pkg-config really ought to be >> 0.8 [12:17] persia: Yeah. [12:18] see bug #87077 [12:18] Launchpad bug 87077 in launchpad-buildd "The build of xmms2 fails because of HASH(0x82db558)="" in the environment" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87077 [12:18] that the bug about the xmms2 build problems with scons [12:18] Worse yet: "Get:55 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main pkg-config 0.22-1 [52.5kB] " is definitely >> 0.8 [12:18] Yeah === blueCommand [n=bluecomm@unaffiliated/bluecommand] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] So why does it work for us [12:18] how come dogfood runs an older build of lp then? [12:19] hmm i think i fixed it [12:19] jmg: It's for testing random extra features: not the latest code - see snapshot or beta [12:19] ok [12:20] TheMuso: it seems to be a bug in sbuild used on the buildds [12:20] Ok [12:20] also there is no definition on the wiki for ppa [12:20] or the buildd environment [12:20] TheMuso: That's an interesting question. I'm tempted to try to set up a gutsy schroot under Dapper, but I think the buildd configuration is even more complex than that. [12:20] jmg: personal package archive [12:21] .bbl, breakfast === RainCT [n=RainCT@77.209.6.128] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:21] the problem is to find someone who has time and can fix it :( [12:22] but I don't understand why only scons triggers this problem [12:24] geser: It's not just scons: there are other strange corner cases to the buildds as well :) === persia wonders why so many U-U-S queue items have already been handled, yet remain in the queue... === eagles0513875 [n=jonathan@88.203.73.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] persia: I'm guessing people have forgotten to unsubscribe uus. [12:29] I always do it now. [12:29] As it does indeed make it easy to know what has been taken. [12:30] TheMuso: Indeed. Thanks to you for taking the bugs and handling them. I'll still prod when I find the extras :) [12:30] np. I feel that not enough MOTUs help with this queue actually. [12:31] is xml.etree.ElementTree from python2.5 a full replacement for elementtree.ElementTree from python-elementtree which only supports python2.4? [12:34] TheMuso: I see about 10 active sponsors, and feel that the queue time is acceptable (it no longer takes months to get a review), so I'm not that worried. More hands are good, but I'd rather 10 committed people than 50 who look once in a while (of course, 50 committed people would be better :) ) [12:34] yup === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5f6:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] persia: What do you think of all these packages that are in the queue where the docs are being included in Ubuntu, whereas tey are not in Debian, for license rasons? [12:39] I uploaded one y esterday, as that change had already been allowed in a previous merge, but I am not so sure about changing a package not yet touched in this way... [12:39] TheMuso: My understanding is that Ubuntu doesn't block on GFDL, but I don't remember why I'm of that opinion. On the other hand, most of them are waiting for emacs22, and despite a recent promise, I don't see that yet. [12:40] referring to stuff like nxmn-mode etc [12:40] right [12:40] Did nxmn-mode build? The ones I tried didn't build properly without the updated emacs. [12:41] haven't tried those. [12:41] I uploaded erc, which did build for me at least. [12:41] Which was the merge. === persia is generally waiting for emacs22 for all of mwolson's updates === RickH [n=rick@c-68-58-96-122.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] Does anyone happen to know how often packages.qa.debian.org updates the current versions in the repositories? [12:43] Hello. I'm a total newbie to Linux and Ubuntu. But, I love it. I am a Windows software developer and would like to learn about Ubuntu/Linux development. === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-43-163.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] persia: I'd guess once or twice a day [12:45] RickH: Great! We're more focused on packaging for Ubuntu than development here, but you'll probably get good support from channels where the name matches your target development environment. On the other hand, looking at other source packages can be a great way to see how others do it, which can make it easy to learn. [12:45] geser: Thanks. I'll wait a bit more then :) [12:45] I'm looking at MOTU/Recipes right now. [12:54] "Since these are the important goals of Ubuntu: 1) User-friendliness, 2) out-of-the-box workability, 3) bling factor, 4) and many more surprising things"... I like #3. :) === ScottK2 [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] persia: dinstall is only run twice a day: http://people.debian.org/~joerg/dinstall.html [12:56] and ftp.debian.org is only a normal mirror, so it won't see new packages more often than that === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kubrick.freenode.net === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] geser: Right. I was looking at a package that is in experimental, but doesn't show yet in packages.qa.debian.org, but as I investigate, I'm beginning to think I'm confusing a meta-package with a provider package. === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === soothsayer [n=user@bas16-montreal02-1242356765.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eagles0513875 [n=jonathan@88.203.73.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-143-235-27.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hjmf [n=hjmf@150.Red-83-44-175.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TreMobyl [n=solarion@cruftix.physics.uiowa.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [n=gazer@200.68.69.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] hi persia [01:12] superm1: Hello === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] persia, I didn't notice an upload this morning after soyuz came back to life. Could you still do that? === man-di [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-198-117.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] superm1: Sure. I'll check my queue again, and if I can't find it, I'll push it again. 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Any idea what it means? [01:12] do only ~ubuntu-motu and ~core-dev get access to ppa, or do all ubuntu members get access too? [01:12] Kmos: Isn't balazar dependent on the new libode? === paran [n=paran@cust.fiber-lan.snet.lk.212.214.112.112.visit.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas__ [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] superm1: At this point, only certain testers have access, which is neither of -motu nor -core-dev. Later, it will be available to a wider audience. [01:12] persia: really don't know [01:12] persia, launchpad beta testers? [01:12] or is it another group === persia thinks it's best to investigate prior to requesting a sync === broonie [i=broonie@cassiel.sirena.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] superm1: I'm not really the best person to ask. Sorry. [01:12] i'll poke around #launchpad. thx [01:12] persia: the first time it occured I asked on #ubuntu-devel and the guess was that is looks like a perl hash [01:12] Kmos: have you tested if it build in a gutsy pbuilder? what about the needed versions of python-soya and python-cerealizer mentioned in the changelog. are they in gutsy already? [01:12] geser: It does, but I'm not sure how that would get exported to the local environment, but only on the buildds. Perhaps something is generating too many fields, so $foo shows the address of @foo, rather than the expected content. [01:12] I am writing a package analyzer, I think I will call it persia :) [01:12] howdy persia [01:12] as I've now a verbose build log I will dig out that old thread on ubuntu-devel [01:12] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-soya -> page not found [01:12] nixternal: That'd be confusing. How about Medes? [01:12] hehe, well since persia finds everything and then some, I figured that would be the perfect name :) === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:12] nixternal: 90% of what I find comes from lintian and linda :) [01:12] from your lintian and linda, not mine :) === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] but now I have taken all of the package test commands I have found and added them to scripts [01:12] geser: i'll test it at my pbuilder [01:13] geser: it works fine with pbuilder.. the balazar one [01:15] geser: can you do the sync ? === persia thinks balazar should still wait for the libode transition, despite the Ubuntu-only patch to python-soya === white [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] Kmos: I want to go to bed now, I'll look at it tomorrow (if nobody else does it) [01:17] geser: ok, thanks [01:17] good night :) [01:18] thanks [01:19] superm1: Reviewing my logs, I didn't upload. Trying again, the changelog patches don't apply to the current releases. My apologies for not getting back to you earlier. [01:20] that's a bit odd that the changelog pach didn't apply to the current release [01:20] i diffed the current release to that one [01:20] did you try to diff the new patch to the old patch i did perhaps by accident? === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-217-216.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] *apply the diff to the directory after appying the old one [01:28] superm1: I downloaded and unpacked the available source (`apt-get source foo`), and applied the patches (`cd foo; patch -p1 < ../foo.diff`). In both cases, I'm seeing rejections between two UNRELEASED versions: do I have the right diffs? [01:31] superm1: I think I found it: it appears that in your master, 0.20.1+fixes13837-0.0ubuntu1 is unreleased still, whereas I see that version in gutsy. Perhaps you want 0.20.1+fixes13837-0.0ubuntu2? Also, you might want to update the trunk changelog to match the previous gutsy upload. Alternately, perhaps someone else already did this? [01:33] 13837 is in gutsy?....let me double check here what happened then [01:33] one sec [01:38] okay 13737 is whats in gutsy still - [01:38] the trunk changelog should have reflected that too. [01:38] superm1: No, you're right. I can't read. Still, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29304/ is an example of the rejects (they are basically the same). [01:38] persia, here is the correct changelog: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/ubuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070709151729-41vq6i0x2ezcwmte?file_id=changelog-20061207062049-3pdmp6d4dhibhg0b-3 [01:38] i'm not sure how it was messed up in the diff (as I bzr commit'ed it before i made the diff) === acm__ [n=ameinke@p54BC2AD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] superm1: Right. It looks like s/UNRELEASED/gutsy is required for the patch, but I'm not sure that nothing else is affected. Could you send me another set, without any UNRELEASED lines? === acm__ is now known as acm [01:40] persia, not until i get home from work - within about an hour [01:40] superm1: Sure. No rush :) === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tepsipak1i [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === white [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === broonie [n=broonie@cassiel.sirena.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] StevenK: If you're interested, nouveau works again :) === broonie [n=broonie@cassiel.sirena.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] persia, i think i see what happened here [02:28] when keescook last committed, he accidently left a few changelog.* entries [02:28] so thats why i didn't see them in my local 13737 branch, whereas they are there from the source package on the archives === acm__ [n=ameinke@p54BC2AD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === acm__ is now known as acm === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] superm1: Ah. That makes sense. Everything is clean now then? [02:28] RAOF: Nice. :-) I did what you suggested, and sent off a renouveau dump [02:28] StevenK: Yay. [02:28] Now I'm building mesa to try glxgears :) [02:28] persia, the branch never got any of his changelog.* files, i don't see why diff -urN didn't delete them though when you patched === giskard_ [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] superm1: The deletions weren't indicated in the diff, so it had a conflict. [02:28] RAOF: Mesa 7? [02:28] superm1: More generally, patch knows it's primitive, so it requires that every addition or deletion in an affected section be indicated, or it assumes that there is version skew, and human interaction is required. [02:28] persia, i'll mail you a new patch that does that then [02:28] i just made one and it does do so [02:28] StevenK: git head. That's where the nouveau dri modules hide === broonie [n=broonie@cassiel.sirena.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] can anyone think of a way of generating a dependency based on the version number of a build-depends and some {substitution} variable? [02:28] superm1: OK. Please send two, and please make sure they apply cleanly to the repository sources :) [02:28] double checking as we speak :) [02:28] RAOF: Ah, so 7.0 + crack. :-) === white [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] remind me to throw something at keescook for leaving the .BASE, .OTHER files :) [02:28] Q-FUNK: It helps to know the language affected, and more about what you're trying to do: there are several ways to do it. [02:28] StevenK: Yup ;) [02:28] whaaa? I left over merge files?? === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-217-216.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] persia: the depends is supposed to be foo-bar-core and version number equal to foo-dev. I was wondering if perhaps misc:Depends might be a good candidate. [02:30] superm1: err, what'd I break? [02:30] keescook, in the last mythtv upload, the debian directory had a few changelog.* files [02:30] that weren't resolved in conflict merge i take it [02:30] _doh_ [02:30] they weren't there in the bzr branch [02:34] so persia was going to upload a next set of changes and we couldnt figure out why the diffs were applying cleanly here [02:34] and not there === keescook apologize [02:34] s [02:34] keescook: Might I leave this to you, as you've the repository configured already? [02:34] no problem keescook, but as a punishment you have to take care of bug 124842 :) [02:34] Launchpad bug 124842 in lirc "Package new lirc version" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124842 [02:34] persia: I don't have it checked out at the moment -- I had to do some clean ups last week and it got wiped. [02:38] superm1: heh, yeah, I saw that one -- I'll get it done, but my time this week is rather limited. :) [02:38] keescook: OK. We'll get on with it then. No problems. === broonie_ [n=broonie@cassiel.sirena.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === keescook hugs persia [02:40] StevenK: Woo! glxgears runs! === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === white [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] RAOF: Way cool. [02:44] RAOF: What about crack-attack? :-) === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] Q-FUNK: I've just reviewed the listed uses of misc:Depends in dh_*, and none seem to apply in your case. is foo a library package? If so, you can probably do it with shlibs:Depends. If it's python or perl, python:Depends and perl:Depends might also help. [02:44] RAOF: Does glxgears still run if it's wider than it is tall? [02:44] persia: Well, it runs. But not correctly [02:44] persia: none of the above. [02:44] RAOF: Ah. Soon then... [02:44] I havent tried to break it by spawning multiple glx windows yet. Last time I tried that, it took a reboot to re-initalize the card correctly :) [02:44] RAOF: Be a man, and try crack-attack? :-) [02:44] StevenK: What's crack attack? [02:44] Description: multiplayer OpenGL puzzle game like "Tetris Attack" === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] Uuuuh. That probably uses textures. Nouveau doesn't do textures yet :) === broonie [i=broonie@cassiel.sirena.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] Heh. That rules out most screensavers, too. :-) [02:44] Absolutely correct. Thanks for reminding me, I need to prevent the lappy from trying that :) [02:44] Heh [02:44] RAOF: It also rules out compiz, which maps X windows into OpenGL textures. :-) === broonie [i=broonie@cassiel.sirena.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] superm1: There's not a few lintian warnings pending. You might want to schedule a cleanup at some point :) === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === white [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] persia, in the 'mythtv' package lintian should be pretty clean [02:51] only thing that comes up is W: mythtv source: changelog-should-mention-nmu [02:51] in mythplugins however, there are two missing debhelper tokens, but they were giving me trouble when they were there, so i'll sort those out next upload [02:52] superm1: missing debhelper can be a concern: this means that none of the automated things will be included: you may want to check which routines would otherwise have been included, to make sure you have covereage. [02:53] superm1: lirc uploaded -- nice work! I adjusted your changelog slightly to add the "#" needed in (LP: #nnnnn) for auto-bug-closing. [02:53] thanks keescook :) [02:53] persia, from the run through many times in a VM, it appeared to be fine thus far, i will make sure for the next upload though that it works with them there === keescook is going to bed now... (nearly 2am in london...) [02:54] night keescook [03:03] Yay! Desktop images seem to be building again. === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso syncs === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-137-71.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === white____ [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === broonie [i=broonie@cassiel.sirena.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas__ [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] ScottK: Is that your usual state of mind? :-P [03:19] Only when I'm having network troubles. [03:19] That's the 3rd nick on my list and I've been AFK. [03:19] Ah [03:19] It's more your IRC client being confused, as opposed to you being confused? [03:19] Yes. === ScottK may be confused, but generally doesn't admit it unless cornered. === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] ScottK: Or when you've just shown someone you are by accident? :-) [03:31] That would be one set of circumstances that would qualify as cornered. [03:35] Speaking of confused... [03:35] I have a package that now has a config file that I am trying to install into /etc/packagename/filename. I get a permission denied error when I build the binary. Any suggestions on how to deal with that. It's a cdbs package. [03:35] what's the complete error? [03:35] Install into $DESTDIR/etc/packagename/filename, or /etc/packagename/filename? [03:35] Ah. That may explain it. [03:35] mv: cannot move 'policy-spf.conf' to '/etc/python-policyd-spf': Permission Denied. [03:35] ScottK: That also shows why we use fakeroot to build packages, and not sudo. :-) [03:35] I think that's exactly what the problem is. [03:35] Thanks. [03:35] Yep. [03:35] Hmm, using sudo to build package is so much more dangerous than I thought. [03:35] Mainly because it allows you to shoot yourself in the foot and blow your whole leg off. === white___ [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] superm1: Both uploaded. Due to timing issues, mythtv should take up to 15 minutes to appear. [03:35] okay thanks persia. I'll get those other lintian odds and ends cleaned up for next time too === acm__ [n=ameinke@p54BC2AD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] mythplugins will show up in the queue "after" mythtv though still right? [03:35] superm1: Great!, and No :( [03:35] well with this release it hopefully won't be too big a deal - it will just build against the older mythtv [03:35] in the archive [03:35] but i dont anticipate any large library changes recently [03:35] so it should end up fine [03:35] superm1: I didn't see any library changes (but I didn't look really hard), so it should just work. === acm__ is now known as acm [03:35] okay i'm gonna go make some dinner right now, cya later persia === broonie [i=broonie@cassiel.sirena.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Umngane [n=log@236-140-125.adsl.din.tie.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian_ [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueCommand [n=bluecomm@unaffiliated/bluecommand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eternal2 [n=eternal1@56-193-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin_ [n=mgalvin@cpe-74-67-44-20.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] StevenK: Thanks for the hint. My package update is uploaded to Debian. [05:39] ScottK: No problem === eternal1_ [n=eternal1@56-193-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.231.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brylie_ [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-67.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb09dc1-67-233.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-100-168.cpe.cableone.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] hm [06:34] any way to tell dh_mkshlibs that we depend on an extra package of a specific version? [06:35] non-library, but same idea as -Vlibfoo (>= version) [06:41] You can't just mention it explicitly? === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:53] StevenK: Is Adept fixed yet? [06:53] Err [06:53] StevenK: is Apt fixed yet? Sorry, wrong package. [06:54] mvo fixed it. [06:54] Cool. === ScottK is contemplating a dist-upgrade tomorrow. === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK isn't. [06:55] Other than ooo, is there anything that's particularly broken just now? [06:55] Soft! You're not already running a pure gutsy/sid install? [06:55] No. === ScottK was waiting until after Debian Import Freeze. [06:56] StevenK: no, since it has to be substituted every time the package is built [06:56] ScottK: It's early yet. You might at least want to wait for Tribe 3. Something breaks here about once a day or so. [06:56] Then at least if it gets broken someone had to actually do something. === RAOF decries the timidity [06:56] Q-FUNK: Ah, you can use substvars. [06:56] persia: I understand. That's why I've got a spare hard drive for the laptop. [06:56] ScottK: OO.o is unbroken on amd64. *hint* :-) [06:56] StevenK: yes indeed, but how? [06:56] Except the arch all parts are still broken. === ScottK has no AMD64. === ScottK sort or promised Hobbsee that if she'd upload my kdepim changes I'd dist-upgrade and use them. [06:58] or/of === acm__ [n=ameinke@p54BC2282.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] StevenK: debian/$pkg.substvars gets deleted at build time [06:58] ScottK: You might want to configure a chroot to match your system (with dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections) and test the upgrade first - that way you can see the broken package list before you really upgrade. === ScottK is reluctant to hold off to long on that. [06:58] Q-FUNK: Actually, it gets deleted during clean [06:58] persia: Good idea. === acm__ is now known as acm [06:59] StevenK: right, so how can I pass variables to debhelper to generate extra substvars? === ScottK is also pondering a Dapper - Feisty upgrade for the main desktop. [06:59] Q-FUNK: I have no idea. substvars are how ${shlibs:Depends} are generated, but I've never needed to do it. === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@c-76-17-194-130.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] right, so I cannot used substvars [07:00] ScottK: Wimp. My main desktop has been running Feisty for 2 months. [07:00] Q-FUNK: Why not? [07:00] ScottK: For Dapper -> Feisty, you probably want to go by way of Edgy: the LTS upgrade path isn't as well tested. [07:00] ${shlibs:Depends} are expanded at build time, it sounds like exactly what you want. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] persia: What LTS upgrade path? There is no second LTS realease. [07:01] persia: If I do it directly, it'll be when I have time to fight it. I might get to file some good bugs. [07:01] StevenK: Right. When there is, suddenly someone will start looking at the upgrade path :) [07:02] ScottK: True, actually. Good luck. === ScottK recalls someone here doing Dapper - Feisty and finding it doable. [07:02] I daresay a bunch of people will. :-) === ScottK will backup the data and wait until the calendar is clear before attempting that one. [07:02] Good morning Hobbsee. [07:03] Good night all. I'm going to bed. [07:05] hey ScottK [07:06] Hey Hobbsee [07:06] hi RAOF [07:08] steven@blerk:~% cat /sys/block/sr0/size [07:08] 4 [07:08] I think I know why Gnome refuses to burn disks now. === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp59-167-174-104.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] morning Hobbsee [07:13] hi superm1 [07:13] it appears you fixed apt :) [07:13] i didnt fix it, mvo did [07:13] but yeah [07:15] apt://new_computer [07:15] hah === aplg [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] imbrandon, didn't you read the post, that only works in FF right now :) [07:16] Heya Hobbsee. [07:16] hi TheMuso! [07:17] superm1, its worked in kde a long time as long as you have the apt kio slave :) [07:17] What was up with apt? [07:17] TheMuso: it made everything else installing wise not install [07:18] Hmm ok. Didn't notice anything amiss with my chroots. === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-100-168.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-217-216.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] TheMuso: I'm guessing no adept or anything special in them. [07:25] can the archive admins sync from mentors ? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:25] I can't recall a request to do so. [07:26] hrm [07:31] StevenK: because nobody knows how. [07:34] Q-FUNK: Read dpkg-source(1) [07:35] StevenK: you mean dpkg-gencontrol(1) [07:36] % zcat /usr/share/man/man1/dpkg-gencontrol.1.gz [07:36] .so man1/dpkg-source.1 [07:38] more likely that just no one has asked yet [07:39] Actually, ubuntu-restricted-extras does it. === StevenK just remembered. [07:39] does it? [07:39] StevenK: uh, how? [07:40] Read debian/rules, it uses substvars, if I recall correctly. === yigal [n=yigal@pool-71-118-39-68.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] StevenK: true that. i was thinking you meant about syncing from mentors, with u-r-e somehow doing that.. [07:43] No, no, nothing like that. [07:43] dammit. u-r-e doesnt work. [07:44] hi [07:44] hi white___! [07:45] what a nick :( [07:45] heh [07:48] hello i need help deciding where i should put my time. i am a member of MOTU Science - I am not MOTU, but I don't use Ubuntu at least I haven't for 3 months and have been using Debian unstable. I don't seem to have any energy to help package for a distribution I am not using and which seems to not be pulling its weight when it comes to producing "new" versions of packages - which I understand is Ubuntu's goal of being an ups [07:48] yigal: what is your point? [07:49] excuse me s/understand is/understand is not/ [07:49] white___: no point, I am trying to find a solution for myself [07:49] hi white_______ [07:49] yigal: i do not think that anyone is forcing you to work on opensource :) [07:49] yigal: you can work on whatever you want [07:49] ajmitch: hi :) [07:49] damn cold here :( [07:50] be glad you're not here then [07:50] white___: got too much '_' on your keyboard? ;-) [07:50] ajmitch: i am in melbourne [07:50] man-di: bah freenode does not give me my nick back :( [07:50] white___: and melbourne != dunedin :) [07:50] white___: that's awesome for you not reading what I am saying [07:50] !ghost | white___ [07:50] white___: On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST [07:51] yigal: what you said got cut off [07:51] cut off? [07:51] too long? [07:51] yigal: cut off [07:51] ...is Ubuntu's goal of being an ups [07:51] sort of distribution, but any way if anyone has anything to write I would really appreciate it. [07:52] i did not have much more to say? [07:52] i like the latest and greatest but i like ubuntu's community [07:52] yigal: I dont get what you wanna say at all [07:52] i am angry at ubuntu but i want to understand [07:52] basically [07:53] you want to understand why you are angry? [07:53] it seems that ubuntu takes all of debians work and packages it as its own product === white___ [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:53] excuse me s/seems/"appears to me" [07:53] i know this is not the full picture [07:53] but === man-di is an official Debian Developer and I dont think its this way [07:54] good [07:54] how so? === white [n=white@debian/developer/white] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] both sides get good things from eayh other [07:54] well, that's better === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] i am sorry if this is not an appropriate place to air my concerns [07:55] what things, for instance does debian get, other than a pool of possible people who will migrate from ubuntu to debian after some time? [07:55] i am sorry if i sound harsh, i really am [07:55] yigal: you know who is active in core developments, such as gcc/g++? [07:56] and to the best of my knowledge, this also counts for dpkg [07:56] no. maybe this will help, ubuntu ? [07:56] :) [07:56] ? [07:56] white: you have your name [07:56] some of the core development for Debian is done in Ubuntu [07:56] that makes me feel good [07:56] yigal: i am not talking about myself, i am not developing for ubuntu :) [07:57] (and i am certainly not doing any devel stuff for dpkg or gcc :) ) [07:57] no, no it doesn't matter [07:57] actually quite a few people in here are debian developers :) [07:57] there are two communities that write bug reports and if looking and fixing both you will improve the other side automatically [07:57] man-di: open source at its best [07:57] ok, i feel a lot better already [07:57] yigal: there are parts which need to be improved, that is true. But we are not at the point, where we see ubuntu as the devil [07:57] :) [07:58] white: well some do, but we can easily ignore them [07:58] yigal: if you are interested in improving the communication and stuff, i can certainly help you and give you some work :) [07:58] not devil spoiled child is more how I thought of it before this conversation - white: i would very much appreciate this [07:59] yigal: right now, the review of the new packages added to universe is stucked in a sense that nobody from the debian site controls, if they should be added to debian main [07:59] i used to write mails to the ubuntu developers, asking them if they want to maintain the package in debian, but i ran out of time for this [07:59] feel free to continue with it [07:59] i had some scripts in place, which send me mails about new packages added to ubuntu universe, which were not in debian [08:00] it just seems problematic after receiving 20-30 emails/day telling me that some science program is being synced from debian unstable [08:00] there might be some false positives, but all in all you could do some communication work there [08:00] hmm ok [08:00] what is the current ubuntu release name? [08:00] i will have to think - at least I am not angry any more [08:00] Gutsy [08:01] or Feisty? [08:01] yigal: that is good, hate is boring ;) [08:01] gutsy [08:01] white: :) [08:01] gutsy is the development distro, feisty latest stable [08:01] man-di: thx [08:02] yigal: let me just adjust my scripts [08:03] ok [08:03] yigal: i have always seen it as an important part. Asking the maintainer, where it is appropriate, reviewing the package and maybe sponsoring it [08:04] by "it" you mean, Im sorry white Im a little confused? [08:04] the scripts? [08:04] or the communication [08:04] oh, thats funny of me, sorry [08:04] yigal: taking care of the resyncing of packages from ubuntu universe to debian main [08:05] ah [08:06] well i am more confused now than anything else - which is good - complexity rather than simple false models [08:07] best, have a great day === yigal [n=yigal@pool-71-118-39-68.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:08] and now he left without telling me his email address? [08:11] I found that a little pointless, anyway [08:13] StevenK: you mean the communication part thing or the person who just left? [08:13]