=== superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === foxbuntu [n=chatzill@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === williammanda [n=william@c-68-53-201-45.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === kabtoffe_ [n=kbergstr@kosh.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:12] hey guys [01:12] hey williammanda [01:12] if I went the satellite route....can I use my tuner cards as I do with cable? [01:12] which tuners? [01:12] pcHD5500 & Dvico HDTV rt [01:12] your using them for qam? [01:12] yes [01:12] Then no. [01:12] unfortunately [01:12] also i have pvr-150 [01:12] qam isn't avail via sat [01:12] you can do OTA for the same stations typically === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kubrick.freenode.net === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:12] the pvr-150 u can use however [01:12] but you will need an ir transmitter [01:12] to control the sat box === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Zentax [i=Zentax@ppp121-44-214-94.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:12] what the heck [01:12] qam tuners only work for OTA or cable then? [01:12] tgm4883, netsplit maybe [01:12] feels like it [01:12] well typically the tuners that do QAM also do ATSC [01:12] which is OTA [01:12] so did my question even make it through? [01:12] Nope [01:12] :( [01:12] it was off topic anyway [01:12] if i use firewire....will I limit myself to only one tuner? [01:12] you mean on the cable box? [01:12] or in general [01:12] you can daisy chain firewire devices [01:12] on the cable box...yes [01:12] although I haven't tried it [01:12] seems like antennas....are hard for most cases to receive all network channels [01:12] i am pretty sure you can only use one tuner on the box [01:12] for firewire [01:12] but as tgm4883 said you can chain the boxes [01:12] and use multiple boxes [01:12] but I would have to pay for each box...right? [01:12] yes [01:12] AFAIK, only 1 tuner per box [01:12] over firewire [01:12] and no recorded shows over firewire if you have a STB DVR [01:12] wow [01:12] I have two atsc tuners and two pvr-150 now..... [01:12] i've been throwing around the idea of a second box [01:12] williammanda, you should investigate what you can get over firewire first [01:12] before even considering a second box [01:12] it's like $4/month for it, and im not sure i really need it [01:12] because if its the same channels as the atsc tuners [01:12] its not worth it likely [01:12] very true, it varies from place to place [01:12] stupid drm flags [01:12] I pay comcast $8 / month for SDTV but I also all the network HDTV channels too [01:12] right [01:12] does your current box have firewire? [01:12] no box [01:12] just cable [01:12] right into each tuner [01:12] If your looking for more channels, I believe you can output from the STB into your tuner card (if firewire doesn't work), although you won't get HD === tgm4883 tgm is tired of relational algebra [01:12] ^ so tired i forgot it says your name when you do that [01:12] calculus my friend [01:12] talk my language [01:12] :) [01:12] it's just one of those days when you have a headache and it's due tomarrow [01:12] tomarrow....are you from KY? [01:12] Oregon, summer class [01:12] close to the rockies? [01:12] not so much, Cascades [01:12] Rockies are farther east [01:12] mountains due that to you :) [01:12] Have you seen the google earth firefox crop circle? [01:12] My mother...oh wait my sister told me so [01:12] I'm a hillbilly from KY [01:12] It's like 20 minutes from my house [01:12] and it is true.....we don't wear shoes :) [01:12] No shoes? [01:12] thats crazy [01:12] but I got lucky... [01:12] rains too much here for that [01:12] I very level headed... [01:13] tobacco juice does drain from one side of my mouth [01:13] sorry doesn't [01:13] Own a banjo? [01:14] maybe.... [01:14] a linux compatible banjo? [01:14] would you like too hear dueling banjos? [01:14] I love the dueling banjos [01:15] i moved to TN last year..... [01:15] deliverance was made here [01:15] about 30 minute from me [01:15] sweet [01:16] one flew over the cookoosnest was filmed here [01:16] i just realized I cant spell that [01:16] I lived close to Cincinnati....some what of a culture shock here [01:17] One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) [01:17] I'm not a man here [01:17] no? [01:17] superm1: hey whats happin? I upgraded to Gusty today [01:17] foxbuntu, woah why [01:18] just on my lappy [01:18] a man is defined as one that has several guns and knifes here and grins at men [01:18] ah [01:18] im not a man there either then [01:18] foxbuntu, i heard apt was broken .... [01:18] in gutsy [01:18] atm [01:18] lol [01:18] i only have a few knives and 1 gun [01:18] not for me [01:19] foxbuntu, then you might have just caught it on the cusp afterwards [01:19] very lucky if thats the case [01:19] I was able to install Pidgin after gusty [01:19] let me boot me lappy and see if it actually did the upgrade [01:19] Im prety sure it did [01:20] oh, and I got a new record of 44 [01:21] yea right. [01:21] lol [01:21] ...i havent played yet [01:21] what is the future of mythtv and cable.... [01:21] thats what i thought [01:22] superm1: I am still sore for that 3am deal...I started o set in on the way home [01:22] :) [01:22] damn T key is sticky [01:23] oh what is theme manager in gnome [01:23] foxbuntu, did you see this http://www.cypherbios.org/blog/?p=41&language=en [01:23] i am thinking how the myth guides and pretty much any guide out there [01:24] can be completely simplified with something like that [01:24] no kidding [01:24] thats sweet [01:25] you can try it on gutsy if you install 'apturl' [01:27] oh strange...I have gusty stuff but not the gusty kernel [01:27] what is gutsy have over feisty.....what is the big improvement? [01:28] more porn [01:28] :) [01:28] oh ok....my wife will like that :) [01:28] a gibbon can beat up a fawn, thats what it has going for it [01:29] oh we are going for the WWE environment? === OpenMedia [n=sellis@203.163.71.197] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:30] superm1: I have apt from gusty and it works [01:30] they must have fixed it [01:31] for what it is worth..... [01:31] my core two duo..... [01:32] lost a lot of performance due to dust build up [01:32] where mythtv could operate properly [01:33] I have two other PIV units and they never had that kind of problem [01:38] The IT guy at work raised his eye brow when I told him about what happened [01:38] I showed him the vulcan sign....and all was well :) [01:38] ok...I'm running out of material....either pay up or I'm going to pay bills [01:40] superm1: now I am bringing down the gusty kernel [01:40] foxbuntu, good luck with gutsy :) [01:40] meh...I like busting it and then figureing out what blew up [01:40] not exactly the ubuntu spirit, but whatever floats your boat [01:54] lol [01:54] sexy python? [01:54] lol [01:54] superm1: I am nerding it tonight...I have my chair, 2 laptops, and mythtv [01:54] now all I need is another screen to be playing DDR on === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:26] superm1: .. [02:26] yea? [02:28] My gnome theme has huge font size...it wont seem to change [02:28] nevermind [02:28] it finally went === geek [n=geek@ool-4354af97.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:28] Hello Everyone! [02:28] anyone here? [02:28] yes [02:28] what can I do for you? [02:28] superm1: are you still here? [02:28] yes [02:28] gusty seems pretty good right now [02:28] I have it all up-to-date [02:28] no problems yet [02:28] now the only thing I need to make my life complete...is some kind of Linux mod plugin for firefox to support activeX [02:28] hey fox [02:28] yo [02:28] i spent like 10 hours trying to fix a tvtuner card yesterday [02:28] which is crazy i know [02:28] i finally figured out that it was a frame grabber and not a pvr [02:28] so i went to the store and exchanged for a 150 pvr [02:28] ok [02:28] and now when i try to run mythtv [02:28] I have the same card [02:28] it starts up [02:28] black screen [02:28] and then kicks me back to login screen [02:28] black screen in the frontend? [02:30] or when you hit watch tv? [02:30] yea when i select watch tv [02:30] geek, when you configured it in mythtv-setup [02:30] did you choose the MPEG2 encoder option [02:30] yes [02:30] mpeg 2 [02:30] or standard V4L devcie [02:30] ok [02:30] /dev/video0 [02:30] and Tuner1 [02:30] well check out /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log [02:30] and see what the backend is complaining about [02:30] when it tries [02:30] did you install the IVTV drivers and fireware after you added the card? [02:30] kk im checking now [02:38] i think i might need to manually edit some how [02:38] cause i see [02:38] Channel(/dev/v4l/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "No such file or directory" [02:38] no [02:38] but i set it to /dev/video0 [02:40] why does it try to use that /dev/v41/video0? [02:40] do a dmesg [02:40] and look for IVTV [02:40] and see if there are errors there [02:40] ivtv0: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32) [02:40] don't think that one is a big deal [02:40] still looking.... [02:40] hmm [02:40] this might be it [02:40] ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes) [02:40] v4l? [02:40] that's the old driver right? [02:40] it should be v4l2 [02:40] foxbuntu, nothing needs to be installed for feisty regarding ivtv [02:40] its all handled automatically [02:40] oh it is? [02:40] yes [02:44] damn slackers [02:44] okay so that open error, check and see [02:44] do you have any /dev/video* devices? === vladg [n=Vlad@c-71-228-12-187.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:44] yea [02:44] i do [02:44] sec [02:44] ivtv0: Registered device video0 for encoder MPEG [02:44] ivtv0: Registered device video32 for encoder YUV [02:44] ivtv0: Registered device vbi0 for encoder VBI [02:44] ivtv0: Registered device video24 for encoder PCM audio [02:44] geek, you didn't manually start mythbackend via something like mythbackend -d [02:44] did you? [02:44] no [02:44] (where it runs as a normal user) [02:44] ok [02:44] good [02:44] there must be some sort of typo in mythtv-setup then atm [02:44] if the devices are there but can't be opened === geek running through setup again atm [02:44] u think it has something to do with Zap2it [02:44] i can retrieve listings from them [02:44] are they down? === OpenMedia [n=sellis@203.163.71.197] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:45] oh wait i think its retrieving the channels [02:45] it can take a minute to grab everything [02:45] it did i successfully [02:45] i just finished the setup [02:45] im gonna try again, wish me luck =\ [02:45] I'm having trouble booting the new Mythbuntu CD. X won't start, it says it can't read the V_BIOS. It's an NVIDIA card. Has anyone seen this before, can I install from the text console? [02:46] vladg, try safe mode [02:46] "Safe Graphics Mode" === diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:47] Yeah, I gave it a shot, still gives me the same error... === diakopter is burning mythbuntu-7.10~070702-i386.iso I'm sure I'll have questions in a moment. :) [02:47] um, hrm, oops, I wanted amd64... [02:49] diakopter, the amd64 we haven't built alpha 2 [02:49] unfortunately [02:49] use the i386 for now if you want to give things a spin :) [02:49] ok [02:50] i remember when i used amd64 [02:50] will the installer on this .iso let me configure software raid & lvm? it's not a big deal for now... [02:50] I guess I'll find out in a sec [02:50] well superm1 if you did play soo much wii it would have been built by now ;) [02:50] diakopter, No and that will be a bit out [02:50] because the lvm-by-default spec is a blocker for it [02:51] hrm [02:51] that's not a mythbuntu-specific blocker, right? [02:52] it shouldnt be a big deal though come 0.21, because of volume groups [02:52] well we're an ubuntu derivative [02:52] so yes it does become a blocker for us too [02:52] right, I assumed the mythbuntu distribution was gutsy plus some configurator packages [02:54] diakopter, well its a bit more than that [02:54] custom env [02:54] gotcha; didn't mean to slight anyone.. :) [02:54] and custom installer :) [02:54] but all our changes go into gutsy [02:55] so in a sense you can say its 'gutsy' :) === geek [n=geek@ool-4354af97.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:55] oh good. [02:55] I'd have been worried if it were any other way [03:03] it just kicked me out again [03:03] I managed to get GDM started by changing xorg.conf by hand... hopefully things will go a bit smoother from now on... Thanks for the help, and keep up the great work! [03:03] I've been trying gutsy on this machine a few times - amd64,i386,alternative,expertgui/etc... i've never gotten x to start while nvidia-dvi is connected to my 1920x1280... so we'll see if somehow mythbuntu is more magical. [03:03] oops [03:03] 1920x1080 I mean [03:03] diakopter, it should be somewhat more magical - after install at least [03:03] because the xorg generation puts 1920x1080 as an option in addition to nvidia-auto-select [03:03] that's great news [03:03] but thats just after install [03:03] when I ran expertgui setup, it was actually in 1920x1080... which was odd. [03:03] so if you have trouble with the open source driver [03:03] it is what is used during install [03:03] I dunno though, I was trying various combinations of expertgui and acpi=off b/c of this Asus/"vista" mlb [03:03] so we'll see. [03:17] btw I don't have a tuner; I was going to just use this as a player. [03:17] ah [03:17] so, sorry I can't help test that stuff [03:17] the player works off live cd mode [03:17] so you dont even need to go for a full install [03:17] but if you want hidef stuff i'd say do the frontend install [03:19] so that you can get the propr driver [03:19] but my 4 400GB drives demand to be used.... [03:19] with it [03:19] (I was gonna put xen on it as well - it has lots of ram) [03:19] I figured frontend/backend master, right? [03:19] oh this is your first myth box i see [03:19] i thought you meant you had a backend already [03:19] and this was just a remote frontend [03:19] then you do want frontend/backend master right now === geek [n=geek@ool-4354af97.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:19] superm1: get this [03:19] the fun continues [03:19] i can't figure out why it's not working [03:19] my Wii is dead [03:19] i just got kick again =\ [03:19] foxbuntu, how? [03:19] superm1: yep; it's all 1 box [03:19] geek, are you flooding a channel? [03:19] what happened to your Wii? [03:19] idk...I just went to turn it on and its dead [03:19] no [03:19] my mythtv [03:19] tried it on several outlets [03:19] keeps kicking me out of my xwindows [03:19] and taking me back to logon screen [03:19] no power at all [03:19] geek, check out your logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log [03:19] and ~/.xsession-errors [03:19] foxbuntu, how is that possible....? [03:19] i have no idea [03:19] is that front led turning to any colors? [03:19] its f*&*in pissing me off though [03:19] nope [03:19] nothing at all [03:19] i would be pissed too [03:19] ok im checking the logs [03:19] no kidding, I just bought like a week ago [03:19] omfg...I am so pissed right now [03:19] work today was hell on wheels [03:19] u have insurance other than manfac warranty? [03:19] no...its 7 days old though [03:19] and no one in town stocks them [03:19] well enough that I could return it for another [03:19] nintendo might be able to send you a new one [03:19] if you call [03:19] but I have to send it in [03:19] well here's a stupid user complaint for you ;) [03:19] and lose all my game progress [03:19] foxbuntu, copy to a sd card [03:19] before you send it [03:19] and copy the mii's to a wiimote [03:19] how? [03:19] put a sd card in [03:19] the plugin choice screen - I can't tell if all of the plugins are preselected, or none of them are... and so forth.. [03:19] and then go to the settings [03:19] and backup all saved games [03:19] its dead! [03:19] foxbuntu, haha [03:19] thats right... [03:19] diakopter, they are all preselected [03:19] ok then; I guess incorrectly [03:19] GAAA [03:19] see, told ya I am a stupid user. [03:19] diakopter, it is a bit hard to see [03:19] i think we should add checkmarks, not just lit up buttons [03:19] or at least a counter that remarks how many are currently selected. [03:19] well across the board, the theme has little things like this that need to be improved upon [03:19] theme work? === diakopter suggests adding vsftpd to the "choose additional services" screen [03:19] (unless it's installed/enabled by default already) [03:19] diakopter, No ftp isn't turned on or on there yet, but its an idea [03:19] send me screen shots superm1 of what is hard to see so I can find a way to clean it up [03:23] foxbuntu, run alpha 2 and take a look at the plugins screen and FF [03:23] (I'd much rather use sftp to transfer stuff on my home lan... samba is way too scary) [03:23] k [03:23] i dont have an alpha 2 iso handy any more [03:23] since i started work on 3 [03:31] diakopter, sftp works via ssh already [03:31] so if you enable the ssh service, you have sftp [03:31] and is samba scary in the respect of configuration? [03:31] (because thats handled for you) [03:31] during install [03:31] right, but my question was if vsftpd is installed [03:31] i guess what's the advantage of vsftpd over the sftp offered via openssh-server? [03:33] no, the security/authentication/encryption. I mean, this box's connection to my router is wifi. even though I use wpa2 and mac-address restriction, those can be defeated. Oh... I didn't realize sftp was built into openssh-server [03:33] gotcha [03:35] partman found the raid partitions, but didn't find the md devices and lvm groups/volumes that are already there. :/ oh well === foxbuntu [n=chatzill@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === geek is now known as geek_pclos [03:35] an impasse: no matter what I choose in the 'create partition' screen, it tells me, "Can't have the end before the start" [03:35] oh well, I'll just back up and choose guided for now... [03:35] You may have hit a ubiquity bug here. [03:35] since this is a customized frontend, it still uses standard ubuntu partman [03:35] to set up that sort of thing [03:35] it seems to think Guided will work... [03:35] formatting... === foxbuntu [n=chatzill@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:35] superm1: man...it looks like lots of people have been having problems with the Wii freaking out like this [03:35] how do you qualify that? [03:35] a few people who post on the forums? [03:35] * you have to remember that people with a functioning system won't post "yippee look at me my box works" [03:35] there are alot of forums coming up on google for it [03:35] installer crashed [03:35] ok...so its a fraction but still [03:35] diakopter, where at? [03:35] figures with all my other crap it happens o me [03:35] at the point where it tried to use a non-existent network connection :D [03:35] but of course :) [03:35] I mean to say, I guess I missed the instructions where it said it must have 'net connectivity to install. [03:35]