[01:12] <williammanda> hey guys
[01:12] <superm1> hey williammanda
[01:12] <williammanda> if I went the satellite route....can I use my tuner cards as I do with cable?
[01:12] <superm1> which tuners?
[01:12] <williammanda> pcHD5500 & Dvico HDTV rt
[01:12] <superm1> your using them for qam?
[01:12] <williammanda> yes
[01:12] <superm1> Then no.
[01:12] <superm1> unfortunately
[01:12] <williammanda> also i have pvr-150
[01:12] <superm1> qam isn't avail via sat
[01:12] <superm1> you can do OTA for the same stations typically
[01:12] <superm1> the pvr-150 u can use however
[01:12] <superm1> but you will need an ir transmitter
[01:12] <superm1> to control the sat box
[01:12] <tgm4883> what the heck
[01:12] <williammanda> qam tuners only work for OTA or cable then?
[01:12] <superm1> tgm4883, netsplit maybe
[01:12] <tgm4883> feels like it
[01:12] <superm1> well typically the tuners that do QAM also do ATSC
[01:12] <superm1> which is OTA
[01:12] <tgm4883> so did my question even make it through?
[01:12] <superm1> Nope
[01:12] <tgm4883> :(
[01:12] <tgm4883> it was off topic anyway
[01:12] <williammanda> if i use firewire....will I limit myself to only one tuner?
[01:12] <superm1> you mean on the cable box?
[01:12] <superm1> or in general
[01:12] <tgm4883> you can daisy chain firewire devices
[01:12] <williammanda> on the cable box...yes
[01:12] <tgm4883> although I haven't tried it
[01:12] <williammanda> seems like antennas....are hard for most cases to receive all network channels
[01:12] <superm1> i am pretty sure you can only use one tuner on the box
[01:12] <superm1> for firewire
[01:12] <superm1> but as tgm4883 said you can chain the boxes
[01:12] <superm1> and use multiple boxes
[01:12] <williammanda> but I would have to pay for each box...right?
[01:12] <superm1> yes
[01:12] <tgm4883> AFAIK, only 1 tuner per box
[01:12] <tgm4883> over firewire
[01:12] <tgm4883> and no recorded shows over firewire if you have a STB DVR
[01:12] <williammanda> wow
[01:12] <williammanda> I have two atsc tuners and two pvr-150 now.....
[01:12] <tgm4883> i've been throwing around the idea of a second box
[01:12] <superm1> williammanda, you should investigate what you can get over firewire first
[01:12] <superm1> before even considering a second box
[01:12] <tgm4883> it's like $4/month for it, and im not sure i really need it
[01:12] <superm1> because if its the same channels as the atsc tuners
[01:12] <superm1> its not worth it likely
[01:12] <tgm4883> very true, it varies from place to place
[01:12] <tgm4883> stupid drm flags
[01:12] <williammanda> I pay comcast $8 / month for SDTV but I also all the network HDTV channels too
[01:12] <superm1> right
[01:12] <superm1> does your current box have firewire?
[01:12] <williammanda> no box
[01:12] <williammanda> just cable
[01:12] <williammanda> right into each tuner
[01:12] <tgm4883> If your looking for more channels, I believe you can output from the STB into your tuner card (if firewire doesn't work), although you won't get HD
[01:12] <tgm4883> ^ so tired i forgot it says your name when you do that
[01:12] <williammanda> calculus my friend
[01:12] <williammanda> talk my language
[01:12] <williammanda> :)
[01:12] <tgm4883> it's just one of those days when you have a headache and it's due tomarrow
[01:12] <williammanda> tomarrow....are you from KY?
[01:12] <tgm4883> Oregon, summer class
[01:12] <williammanda> close to the rockies?
[01:12] <tgm4883> not so much, Cascades
[01:12] <tgm4883> Rockies are farther east
[01:12] <williammanda> mountains due that to you :)
[01:12] <tgm4883> Have you seen the google earth firefox crop circle?
[01:12] <williammanda> My mother...oh wait my sister told me so
[01:12] <williammanda> I'm a hillbilly from KY
[01:12] <tgm4883> It's like 20 minutes from my house
[01:12] <williammanda> and it is true.....we don't wear shoes :)
[01:12] <tgm4883> No shoes?
[01:12] <tgm4883> thats crazy
[01:12] <williammanda> but I got lucky...
[01:12] <tgm4883> rains too much here for that
[01:12] <williammanda> I very level headed...
[01:13] <williammanda> tobacco juice does drain from one side of my mouth
[01:13] <williammanda> sorry doesn't
[01:13] <tgm4883> Own a banjo?
[01:14] <williammanda> maybe....
[01:14] <tgm4883> a linux compatible banjo?
[01:14] <williammanda> would you like too hear dueling banjos?
[01:14] <tgm4883> I love the dueling banjos
[01:15] <williammanda> i moved to TN last year.....
[01:15] <williammanda> deliverance was made here
[01:15] <williammanda> about 30 minute from me
[01:15] <tgm4883> sweet
[01:16] <tgm4883> one flew over the cookoosnest was filmed here
[01:16] <tgm4883> i just realized I cant spell that
[01:16] <williammanda> I lived close to Cincinnati....some what of a culture shock here
[01:17] <tgm4883> One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
[01:17] <williammanda> I'm not a man here
[01:17] <tgm4883> no?
[01:17] <foxbuntu> superm1: hey whats happin? I upgraded to Gusty today
[01:17] <superm1> foxbuntu, woah why
[01:18] <foxbuntu> just on my lappy
[01:18] <williammanda> a man is defined as one that has several guns and knifes here and grins at men
[01:18] <tgm4883> ah
[01:18] <tgm4883> im not a man there either then
[01:18] <superm1> foxbuntu, i heard apt was broken ....
[01:18] <superm1> in gutsy
[01:18] <superm1> atm
[01:18] <williammanda> lol
[01:18] <tgm4883> i only have a few knives and 1 gun
[01:18] <foxbuntu> not for me
[01:19] <superm1> foxbuntu, then you might have just caught it on the cusp afterwards
[01:19] <superm1> very lucky if thats the case
[01:19] <foxbuntu> I was able to install Pidgin after gusty
[01:19] <foxbuntu> let me boot me lappy and see if it actually did the upgrade
[01:19] <foxbuntu> Im prety sure it did
[01:20] <foxbuntu> oh, and I got a new record of 44
[01:21] <superm1> yea right.
[01:21] <foxbuntu> lol
[01:21] <foxbuntu> ...i havent played yet
[01:21] <williammanda> what is the future of mythtv and cable....
[01:21] <superm1> thats what i thought
[01:22] <foxbuntu> superm1: I am still sore for that 3am deal...I started o set in on the way home
[01:22] <superm1> :)
[01:22] <foxbuntu> damn T key is sticky
[01:23] <foxbuntu> oh what is theme manager in gnome
[01:23] <superm1> foxbuntu, did you see this http://www.cypherbios.org/blog/?p=41&language=en
[01:23] <superm1> i am thinking how the myth guides and pretty much any guide out there
[01:24] <superm1> can be completely simplified with something like that
[01:24] <foxbuntu> no kidding
[01:24] <foxbuntu> thats sweet
[01:25] <superm1> you can try it on gutsy if you install 'apturl'
[01:27] <foxbuntu> oh strange...I have gusty stuff but not the gusty kernel
[01:27] <williammanda> what is gutsy have over feisty.....what is the big improvement?
[01:28] <foxbuntu> more porn
[01:28] <foxbuntu> :)
[01:28] <williammanda> oh ok....my wife will like that :)
[01:28] <tgm4883> a gibbon can beat up a fawn, thats what it has going for it
[01:29] <williammanda> oh we are going for the WWE environment?
[01:30] <foxbuntu> superm1: I have apt from gusty and it works
[01:30] <foxbuntu> they must have fixed it
[01:31] <williammanda> for what it is worth.....
[01:31] <williammanda> my core two duo.....
[01:32] <williammanda> lost a lot of performance due to dust build up
[01:32] <williammanda> where mythtv could operate properly
[01:33] <williammanda> I have two other PIV units and they never had that kind of problem
[01:38] <williammanda> The IT guy at work raised his eye brow when I told him about what happened
[01:38] <williammanda> I showed him the vulcan sign....and all was well :)
[01:38] <williammanda> ok...I'm running out of material....either pay up or I'm going to pay bills
[01:40] <foxbuntu> superm1: now I am bringing down the gusty kernel
[01:40] <superm1> foxbuntu, good luck with gutsy :)
[01:40] <foxbuntu> meh...I like busting it and then figureing out what blew up
[01:40] <superm1> not exactly the ubuntu spirit, but whatever floats your boat
[01:54] <foxbuntu> lol
[01:54] <foxbuntu> sexy python?
[01:54] <foxbuntu> lol
[01:54] <foxbuntu> superm1: I am nerding it tonight...I have my chair, 2 laptops, and mythtv
[01:54] <foxbuntu> now all I need is another screen to be playing DDR on
[02:26] <foxbuntu> superm1: ..
[02:26] <superm1> yea?
[02:28] <foxbuntu> My gnome theme has huge font size...it wont seem to change
[02:28] <foxbuntu> nevermind
[02:28] <foxbuntu> it finally went
[02:28] <geek> Hello Everyone!
[02:28] <geek> anyone here?
[02:28] <foxbuntu> yes
[02:28] <foxbuntu> what can I do for you?
[02:28] <foxbuntu> superm1: are you still here?
[02:28] <superm1> yes
[02:28] <foxbuntu> gusty seems pretty good right now
[02:28] <foxbuntu> I have it all up-to-date
[02:28] <foxbuntu> no problems yet
[02:28] <foxbuntu> now the only thing I need to make my life complete...is some kind of Linux mod plugin for firefox to support activeX
[02:28] <geek> hey fox
[02:28] <foxbuntu> yo
[02:28] <geek> i spent like 10 hours trying to fix a tvtuner card yesterday
[02:28] <geek> which is crazy i know
[02:28] <geek> i finally figured out that it was a frame grabber and not a pvr
[02:28] <geek> so i went to the store and exchanged for a 150 pvr
[02:28] <foxbuntu> ok
[02:28] <geek> and now when i try to run mythtv
[02:28] <foxbuntu> I have the same card
[02:28] <geek> it starts up
[02:28] <geek> black screen
[02:28] <geek> and then kicks me back to login screen
[02:28] <foxbuntu> black screen in the frontend?
[02:30] <foxbuntu> or when you hit watch tv?
[02:30] <geek> yea when i select watch tv
[02:30] <superm1> geek, when you configured it in mythtv-setup
[02:30] <superm1> did you choose the MPEG2 encoder option
[02:30] <geek> yes
[02:30] <geek> mpeg 2
[02:30] <superm1> or standard V4L devcie
[02:30] <superm1> ok
[02:30] <geek> /dev/video0
[02:30] <geek> and Tuner1
[02:30] <superm1> well check out /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[02:30] <superm1> and see what the backend is complaining about
[02:30] <superm1> when it tries
[02:30] <foxbuntu> did you install the IVTV drivers and fireware after you added the card?
[02:30] <geek> kk im checking now
[02:38] <geek> i think i might need to manually edit some how
[02:38] <geek> cause i see
[02:38] <geek> Channel(/dev/v4l/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "No such file or directory"
[02:38] <foxbuntu> no
[02:38] <geek> but i set it to /dev/video0
[02:40] <geek> why does it try to use that /dev/v41/video0?
[02:40] <foxbuntu> do a dmesg
[02:40] <foxbuntu> and look for IVTV
[02:40] <foxbuntu> and see if there are errors there
[02:40] <geek> ivtv0: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32)
[02:40] <geek> don't think that one is a big deal
[02:40] <geek> still looking....
[02:40] <geek> hmm
[02:40] <geek> this might be it
[02:40] <geek> ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes)
[02:40] <geek> v4l?
[02:40] <geek> that's the old driver right?
[02:40] <geek> it should be v4l2
[02:40] <superm1> foxbuntu, nothing needs to be installed for feisty regarding ivtv
[02:40] <superm1> its all handled automatically
[02:40] <foxbuntu> oh it is?
[02:40] <superm1> yes
[02:44] <foxbuntu> damn slackers
[02:44] <superm1> okay so that open error, check and see
[02:44] <superm1> do you have any /dev/video* devices?
[02:44] <geek> yea
[02:44] <geek> i do
[02:44] <geek> sec
[02:44] <geek> ivtv0: Registered device video0 for encoder MPEG
[02:44] <geek> ivtv0: Registered device video32 for encoder YUV
[02:44] <geek> ivtv0: Registered device vbi0 for encoder VBI
[02:44] <geek> ivtv0: Registered device video24 for encoder PCM audio
[02:44] <superm1> geek, you didn't manually start mythbackend via something like mythbackend -d
[02:44] <superm1> did you?
[02:44] <geek> no
[02:44] <superm1> (where it runs as a normal user)
[02:44] <superm1> ok
[02:44] <superm1> good
[02:44] <superm1> there must be some sort of typo in mythtv-setup then atm
[02:44] <superm1> if the devices are there but can't be opened
[02:44] <geek> u think it has something to do with Zap2it
[02:44] <geek> i can retrieve listings from them
[02:44] <geek> are they down?
[02:45] <geek> oh wait i think its retrieving the channels
[02:45] <foxbuntu> it can take a minute to grab everything
[02:45] <geek> it did i successfully
[02:45] <geek> i just finished the setup
[02:45] <geek> im gonna try again, wish me luck =\
[02:45] <vladg> I'm having trouble booting the new Mythbuntu CD.  X won't start, it says it can't read the V_BIOS.  It's an NVIDIA card.  Has anyone seen this before, can I install from the text console?
[02:46] <superm1> vladg, try safe mode
[02:46] <superm1> "Safe Graphics Mode"
[02:47] <vladg> Yeah, I gave it a shot, still gives me the same error...
[02:47] <diakopter> um, hrm, oops, I wanted amd64...
[02:49] <superm1> diakopter, the amd64 we haven't built alpha 2
[02:49] <superm1> unfortunately
[02:49] <superm1> use the i386 for now if you want to give things a spin :)
[02:49] <diakopter> ok
[02:50] <geek> i remember when i used amd64
[02:50] <diakopter> will the installer on this .iso let me configure software raid & lvm?  it's not a big deal for now...
[02:50] <diakopter> I guess I'll find out in a sec
[02:50] <foxbuntu> well superm1 if you did play soo much wii it would have been built by now ;)
[02:50] <superm1> diakopter, No and that will be a bit out
[02:50] <superm1> because the lvm-by-default spec is a blocker for it
[02:51] <diakopter> hrm
[02:51] <diakopter> that's not a mythbuntu-specific blocker, right?
[02:52] <superm1> it shouldnt be a big deal though come 0.21, because of volume groups
[02:52] <superm1> well we're an ubuntu derivative
[02:52] <superm1> so yes it does become a blocker for us too
[02:52] <diakopter> right, I assumed the mythbuntu distribution was gutsy plus some configurator packages
[02:54] <superm1> diakopter, well its a bit more than that
[02:54] <superm1> custom env
[02:54] <diakopter> gotcha; didn't mean to slight anyone.. :)
[02:54] <superm1> and custom installer :)
[02:54] <superm1> but all our changes go into gutsy
[02:55] <superm1> so in a sense you can say its 'gutsy' :)
[02:55] <diakopter> oh good.
[02:55] <diakopter> I'd have been worried if it were any other way
[03:03] <geek> it just kicked me out again
[03:03] <vladg> I managed to get GDM started by changing xorg.conf by hand... hopefully things will go a bit smoother from now on... Thanks for the help, and keep up the great work!
[03:03] <diakopter> I've been trying gutsy on this machine a few times - amd64,i386,alternative,expertgui/etc... i've never gotten x to start while nvidia-dvi is connected to my 1920x1280... so we'll see if somehow mythbuntu is more magical.
[03:03] <diakopter> oops
[03:03] <diakopter> 1920x1080 I mean
[03:03] <superm1> diakopter, it should be somewhat more magical - after install at least
[03:03] <superm1> because the xorg generation puts 1920x1080 as an option in addition to nvidia-auto-select
 that's great news
[03:03] <superm1> but thats just after install
[03:03] <diakopter> when I ran expertgui setup, it was actually in 1920x1080... which was odd.
[03:03] <superm1> so if you have trouble with the open source driver
[03:03] <superm1> it is what is used during install
[03:03] <diakopter> I dunno though, I was trying various combinations of expertgui and acpi=off b/c of this Asus/"vista" mlb
[03:03] <diakopter> so we'll see.
[03:17] <diakopter> btw I don't have a tuner; I was going to just use this as a player.
[03:17] <superm1> ah
[03:17] <diakopter> so, sorry I can't help test that stuff
[03:17] <superm1> the player works off live cd mode
[03:17] <superm1> so you dont even need to go for a full install
[03:17] <superm1> but if you want hidef stuff i'd say do the frontend install
[03:19] <superm1> so that you can get the propr driver
[03:19] <diakopter> but my 4 400GB drives demand to be used....
[03:19] <superm1> with it
[03:19] <diakopter> (I was gonna put xen on it as well - it has lots of ram)
[03:19] <diakopter> I figured frontend/backend master, right?
[03:19] <superm1> oh this is your first myth box i see
[03:19] <superm1> i thought you meant you had a backend already
[03:19] <superm1> and this was just a remote frontend
[03:19] <superm1> then you do want frontend/backend master right now
[03:19] <foxbuntu> superm1: get this
[03:19] <foxbuntu> the fun continues
[03:19] <geek> i can't figure out why it's not working
[03:19] <foxbuntu> my Wii is dead
[03:19] <geek> i just got kick again =\
[03:19] <superm1> foxbuntu, how?
[03:19] <diakopter> superm1: yep; it's all 1 box
[03:19] <superm1> geek, are you flooding a channel?
[03:19] <geek> what happened to your Wii?
[03:19] <foxbuntu> idk...I just went to turn it on and its dead
[03:19] <geek> no
[03:19] <geek> my mythtv
[03:19] <foxbuntu> tried it on several outlets
[03:19] <geek> keeps kicking me out of my xwindows
[03:19] <geek> and taking me back to logon screen
[03:19] <foxbuntu> no power at all
[03:19] <superm1> geek, check out your logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:19] <superm1> and ~/.xsession-errors
[03:19] <superm1> foxbuntu, how is that possible....?
[03:19] <foxbuntu> i have no idea
[03:19] <superm1> is that front led turning to any colors?
[03:19] <foxbuntu> its f*&*in pissing me off though
[03:19] <foxbuntu> nope
[03:19] <foxbuntu> nothing at all
[03:19] <geek> i would be pissed too
[03:19] <geek> ok im checking the logs
[03:19] <foxbuntu> no kidding, I just bought like a week ago
[03:19] <foxbuntu> omfg...I am so pissed right now
[03:19] <foxbuntu> work today was hell on wheels
[03:19] <geek> u have insurance other than manfac warranty?
[03:19] <foxbuntu> no...its 7 days old though
[03:19] <foxbuntu> and no one in town stocks them
[03:19] <foxbuntu> well enough that I could return it for another
[03:19] <superm1> nintendo might be able to send you a new one
[03:19] <superm1> if you call
[03:19] <foxbuntu> but I have to send it in
[03:19] <diakopter> well here's a stupid user complaint for you ;)
[03:19] <foxbuntu> and lose all my game progress
[03:19] <superm1> foxbuntu, copy to a sd card
[03:19] <superm1> before you send it
[03:19] <superm1> and copy the mii's to a wiimote
[03:19] <foxbuntu> how?
[03:19] <superm1> put a sd card in
[03:19] <diakopter> the plugin choice screen - I can't tell if all of the plugins are preselected, or none of them are... and so forth..
[03:19] <superm1> and then go to the settings
[03:19] <superm1> and backup all saved games
[03:19] <foxbuntu> its dead!
[03:19] <superm1> foxbuntu, haha
[03:19] <superm1> thats right...
[03:19] <superm1> diakopter, they are all preselected
[03:19] <diakopter> ok then; I guess incorrectly
[03:19] <foxbuntu> GAAA
[03:19] <diakopter> see, told ya I am a stupid user.
[03:19] <superm1> diakopter, it is a bit hard to see
[03:19] <superm1> i think we should add checkmarks, not just lit up buttons
[03:19] <diakopter> or at least a counter that remarks how many are currently selected.
[03:19] <superm1> well across the board, the theme has little things like this that need to be improved upon
[03:19] <foxbuntu> theme work?
[03:19] <diakopter> (unless it's installed/enabled by default already)
[03:19] <superm1> diakopter, No ftp isn't turned on or on there yet, but its an idea
[03:19] <foxbuntu> send me screen shots superm1 of what is hard to see so I can find a way to clean it up
[03:23] <superm1> foxbuntu, run alpha 2 and take a look at the plugins screen and FF
[03:23] <diakopter> (I'd much rather use sftp to transfer stuff on my home lan... samba is way too scary)
[03:23] <foxbuntu> k
[03:23] <superm1> i dont have an alpha 2 iso handy any more
[03:23] <superm1> since i started work on 3
[03:31] <superm1> diakopter, sftp works via ssh already
[03:31] <superm1> so if you enable the ssh service, you have sftp
[03:31] <superm1> and is samba scary in the respect of configuration?
[03:31] <superm1> (because thats handled for you)
[03:31] <superm1> during install
[03:31] <diakopter> right, but my question was if vsftpd is installed
[03:31] <superm1> i guess what's the advantage of vsftpd over the sftp offered via openssh-server?
[03:33] <diakopter> no, the security/authentication/encryption.  I mean, this box's connection to my router is wifi.  even though I use wpa2 and mac-address restriction, those can be defeated.  Oh... I didn't realize sftp was built into openssh-server
[03:33] <diakopter> gotcha
[03:35] <diakopter> partman found the raid partitions, but didn't find the md devices and lvm groups/volumes that are already there. :/ oh well
[03:35] <diakopter> an impasse: no matter what I choose in the 'create partition' screen, it tells me, "Can't have the end before the start"
[03:35] <diakopter> oh well, I'll just back up and choose guided for now...
[03:35] <superm1> You may have hit a ubiquity bug here.
[03:35] <superm1> since this is a customized frontend, it still uses standard ubuntu partman
[03:35] <superm1> to set up that sort of thing
[03:35] <diakopter> it seems to think Guided will work...
[03:35] <diakopter> formatting...
[03:35] <foxbuntu> superm1: man...it looks like lots of people have been having problems with the Wii freaking out like this
[03:35] <superm1> how do you qualify that?
[03:35] <superm1> a few people who post on the forums?
[03:35] <superm1> * you have to remember that people with a functioning system won't post "yippee look at me my box works"
[03:35] <foxbuntu> there are alot of forums coming up on google for it
[03:35] <diakopter> installer crashed
[03:35] <foxbuntu> ok...so its a fraction but still
[03:35] <superm1> diakopter, where at?
[03:35] <foxbuntu> figures with all my other crap it happens o me
[03:35] <diakopter> at the point where it tried to use a non-existent network connection :D
[03:35] <superm1> but of course :)
[03:35] <diakopter> I mean to say, I guess I missed the instructions where it said it must have 'net connectivity to install.
[03:35] <superm1> well it wasn't in the docs that don't exist yet :)
[03:35] <superm1> that actually will be resolved during alpha 3 - an on cd repository will be included
[03:35] <superm1> there are about 5 possible packages that get installed during the install
[03:35] <superm1> is there any way you can do it with the web plugged in ?
[03:35] <diakopter> yep; nat/routing via my mbp
[03:36] <diakopter> (if I had only known....) ;)
[03:36] <foxbuntu> superm1: YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA the wii came back to LIFE!!....ITS ALIVE!!! MUWHAAA
[03:36] <superm1> foxbuntu, did you forget to plug it in :)
[03:36] <diakopter> foxbuntu: name it Johnny5...?
[03:36] <geek_pclos> nice
[03:37] <geek_pclos> maybe overheated b4?
[03:37] <geek_pclos> may outlet was off?
[03:37] <foxbuntu> no...its got this saftey switch in the power adapter that gets triped on a surge and you have to leave it unplugged for like 15 mins and it will reset
[03:37] <geek_pclos> oh
[03:37] <geek_pclos> nice
[03:38] <foxbuntu> you know...thats a pretty good nickname for it
[03:38] <geek_pclos> im glad its working again
[03:38] <foxbuntu> I need give it a good name
[03:38] <foxbuntu> Johny 5 is ALIVE
[03:38] <geek_pclos> i think i might have found the problem with my mythtv kicking me back to the logon screen
[03:38] <foxbuntu> i feel dirty from the 80's movie triva
[03:38] <superm1> geek_pclos, what was it?
[03:39] <foxbuntu> time to play with Johny 5
[03:39] <foxbuntu> ....
[03:40] <foxbuntu> back later
[03:40] <geek_pclos> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":93.0"
[03:40] <geek_pclos> thats what it says
[03:40] <superm1> geek_pclos, do you have Xgl on?
[03:40] <superm1> or something to that effect?
[03:41] <geek_pclos> Xgl? i forget what that is
[03:41] <geek_pclos> i have any ATI card
[03:41] <superm1> for compiz/beryl/compiz fusion
[03:41] <geek_pclos> yea it
[03:41] <superm1> that is what's messing things up
[03:41] <geek_pclos> yea i remember xgl is on
[03:41] <superm1> mythtv and Xgl don't get along very well
[03:41] <geek_pclos> im using beryl
[03:41] <geek_pclos> oh
[03:41] <superm1> i remember learning that first hand when Xgl was first announced
[03:42] <superm1> the workaround
[03:42] <superm1> is to launch mythfrontend on display :0
[03:42] <superm1> rather than in the Xgl session
[03:42] <superm1> but you're going to run into a long slew of other messy things
[03:42] <superm1> which at one point i had a guide for
[03:42] <superm1> that was very lengthy
[03:43] <geek_pclos> what if i just turn xgl off?
[03:43] <superm1> but stopped maintaining since mid edgy
[03:43] <superm1> if you turn off xgl
[03:43] <superm1> and log into a normal sessin
[03:43] <superm1> things should be fine
[03:43] <geek_pclos> kk brb
[03:47] <foxbuntu> superm1: i got your mii finally...i set mine to travel too
[03:48] <foxbuntu> i  sent him too
[03:49] <geek_Pclos> i get to channel guide and there is picture with the current channel
[03:49] <geek_Pclos> in the top right
[03:49] <geek_Pclos> but it is in black and white
[03:50] <geek_Pclos> and when i checked the terminal window it said the adevice failed to open but i know how to change the adevice so its just the black and which and also how to i change the channel? it just kept asking me if i want to record =\
[03:54] <geek_Pclos> im gonna try messing with my card some more
[03:54] <geek_Pclos> switching to v4l drivers and using composite
[03:56] <Madhatter349> hey
[03:56] <Madhatter349> r there any sample databases i could connect to , to test
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[04:01] <geek_Pclos> hey guys
[04:01] <geek_Pclos> how do i change the audio device used for mythtv
[04:01] <geek_Pclos> it says
[04:01] <geek_Pclos> Error opening audio device (/dev/adsp), the error was: Invalid argument
[04:01] <geek_Pclos> in the window
[04:02] <geek_Pclos> so atm i can't hear any sound
[04:14] <geek_Pclos> VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed
[04:14] <geek_Pclos> 2007-07-09 22:12:49.974 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'ATI Radeon Video Overlay'
[04:14] <geek_Pclos> dang it
[04:14] <geek_Pclos> thats probably why i can only see black and white
[04:18] <geek_Pclos> now i can't even listen to music
[04:18] <geek_Pclos> when i try to use amarok it says
[04:18] <geek_Pclos> xine was unable to open audio drivers
[04:18] <geek_Pclos> damn ati card
[04:34] <diakopter> boy, that's much better/faster.  I don't think debian has ever installed so quickly.
[04:37] <diakopter> aw drat, it happened again
[04:37] <diakopter> on the "Configure Guide Data/Backend" screen.
[04:45] <foxbuntu> superm1: I got my Wii fitness test down to 21 tonight
[04:46] <geek> why is my myth tv only black and white
[04:46] <geek> is there any way to fix this problem
[04:46] <geek> i have an ati card
[04:46] <geek> does myth have problems with ati cards?
[04:47] <foxbuntu> no
[04:47] <foxbuntu> black and white in tv?
[04:48] <foxbuntu> superm1: are you still here?
[04:49] <geek> does anyone know why?
[04:49] <geek> my mythtv is only black and white
[04:49] <geek> does myth have known problems with ati cards?
[04:50] <geek> i have the ati X800
[05:02] <geek> anyone here?
[05:03] <diakopter> i am
[05:03] <diakopter> but I'm no help...
[05:04] <geek> do u use mythtv?
[05:08] <diakopter> not yet :)
[05:08] <diakopter> still struggling to get it installed
[05:17] <RAOF> Hey, are there any plans for an x86-64 mythbuntu iso?  Transcoding gets a big boost from the extra registers.
[05:28] <tgm4883> RAOF, There was one made pre alpha 1
[05:28] <tgm4883> So I think there are plans for it, although im not sure the status
[05:28] <RAOF> Yeah, I was just wondering if there's going to be an alpha 2 one
[05:29] <tgm4883> hmm
[05:29] <tgm4883> I need to remember who made it
[05:29] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, did you make the 64-bit ubuntu disk or was it Daviey?
[05:29] <RAOF> Since it's all running on ububtu repositories (right?) there should be no problems past the initial install,
[05:31] <tgm4883> It should just be a matter of making the disk
[05:31] <tgm4883> although mythbuntu does have it's own repo
[05:31] <tgm4883> im not sure how it is going to be handled though once gutsy is released
[05:32] <RAOF> Ok.  But there are up
[05:33] <RAOF> to date x86-64 packages in the repos, right?
[05:33] <tgm4883> for mythbuntu?
[05:34] <tgm4883> should be
[05:37] <tgm4883> superm1, does the dual layer dvd problem we were talking about a few days ago apply to making the image to burn, or burning the image?  IE, can I tell mytharchive to make a dual layer iso and burn it as a later time?
[05:42] <tgm4883> geek_pclos, where are you located?
[05:43] <RAOF> Ok, so now I just need to work out how to build an install cd :)
[06:05] <tgm4883> where do you get a mpeg 2 transport stream demuxer?
[06:09] <RAOF> In gstreamer?
[06:10] <RAOF> Trade you a "how to build an x86-64 install cd" for a mpeg2 TS demuxer :)
[06:11] <OpenMedia> ProjectX rocks for a Java application.
[06:11] <RAOF> tgm4883: But what, exactly, are you aiming to do?  ffmpeg should be able to handle it, regardless
[06:11] <OpenMedia> Great at fixing stream errors and timing issues
[06:12] <tgm4883> Well, the end result is me being able to archive shows at my desktop
[06:13] <tgm4883> but I can't even download the shows and watch them on my desktop
[06:13] <tgm4883> I would guess it is because I have totem-xine and not totem-gstreamer
[06:13] <RAOF> tgm4883: You probably want libxine-ffmped
[06:13] <RAOF> s/d/g/
[06:14] <RAOF> Since I can actually just feed ffmpeg with /dev/dvb stuff :)
[06:15] <tgm4883> hmm, cant find a libxine=ffmped
[06:16] <RAOF> How about what I meant: libxine-ffmpeg :)
[06:16] <tgm4883> that what i thought, and its already installed
[06:17] <tgm4883> im thinking once i can watch it on my desktop I will be able to archive it
[06:17] <RAOF> Hm.  Do you have ffmpeg installed?  You could try running it on the file.
[06:17] <tgm4883> im getting an unable to open source file error
[06:18] <tgm4883> ffmpeg show.mpg?
[06:19] <RAOF> ffmpeg -i show.mpf
[06:19] <RAOF> ffmpeg -i show.mpg
[06:20] <tgm4883> sweet, whats that do?
[06:21] <RAOF> That gets ffmpeg to parse the file, then error out because you haven't told it to do anything :)
[06:21] <tgm4883> well it looks like it did that
[06:21] <tgm4883> Stream #0.0[0x101] : Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 544x480, 4500 kb/s, 30.00 fps(r)
[06:21] <tgm4883>   Stream #0.1[0x102] : Audio: ac3, 32000 Hz, stereo, 320 kb/s
[06:22] <RAOF> So, "ffmpeg -i show.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy out.mp4" should re-mux (not transcode) to an mpeg 4 container.
[06:23] <tgm4883> f me, i do have totem gstreamer installed
[06:23] <RAOF> :)
[06:24] <RAOF> apt-get install gstreamer0.10-* :)
[06:25] <tgm4883> that seems like a lot of installing
[06:26] <RAOF> True
[06:26] <tgm4883> :(, now totem crashes
[06:26] <RAOF> :(
[06:27] <tgm4883> well kinda
[06:27] <tgm4883> if i double click the file, totem opens, then closes
[06:27] <RAOF> ?
[06:28] <tgm4883> if i open totem from the command line and add the file, it still there trying to play it (but doesn't)
[06:28] <RAOF> hm.  Try ffplay?
[06:29] <tgm4883> that works
[06:29] <RAOF> totem/gst bug, it seems
[06:30] <tgm4883> sounds like it, let me see if mytharchive works now
[06:31] <superm1_> RAOF, you were wondering about a x86-64 alpha2?
[06:31] <RAOF> Indeed.  Just about to ping you :)
[06:31] <tgm4883> nope, still can't open source file
[06:31] <RAOF> I'll be happy to build it myself, if necessary :)
[06:32] <superm1_> RAOF, the only hold up was a 64 bit ubiquity package
[06:32] <superm1_> right after alpha 2 though, we merged into ubuntu's ubiquity
[06:32] <superm1_> so for alpha 3 it won't be too big of a deal now to make
[06:32] <RAOF> Aaah, so a daily should work?
[06:33] <superm1_> Well dailies broke because of Hobbsee not fixing apt quick enough :)
[06:33] <RAOF> Aaah, of course.
[06:33] <superm1_> Is apt, and adept and synaptic and all fixed as of yet?
[06:33] <superm1_> I have been holding off attempting to queue another build
[06:33] <RAOF> I think so
[06:33] <superm1_> for that reason
[06:33] <tgm4883> I heard it was fixed
[06:34] <superm1_> well i'll queue up one locally then.
[06:34] <tgm4883> Wait, i think i heard that here
[06:34] <RAOF> At least, as long as all the packages have made it through NEW
[06:34] <tgm4883> so im not sure if it is or not
[06:34] <superm1_> well i'll try here
[06:34] <superm1_> RAOF, do you have a 64 bit machine?
[06:34] <superm1_> that you'd be able to do a build with?
[06:34] <RAOF> Yup.  Feel free to ask for building ):
[06:34] <tgm4883> I would hope he does
[06:35] <tgm4883> Otherwise he may have trouble running it
[06:35] <superm1_> ah wonderful.  well i'll get back to you in a bit then to see how this comes along
[06:35] <RAOF> You'll need to tell me how to build the iso, though
[06:35] <superm1_> its a pretty simple process actually
[06:35] <superm1_> custom script that handles it
[06:35] <superm1_> from a bzr branch
[06:35] <tgm4883> Well, im off to get some dinner and watch a movie.  Still don't know whats up with the archiving though
[06:36] <RAOF> Cool.  Shall I queue it up then?  I've got a bunch of downstream bandwidth going begging :)
[06:36] <superm1_> well at least checkout the branch
[06:36] <superm1_> i'llget you a bzr url
[06:36] <superm1_> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu
[06:36] <geek_pclos> i wonder
[06:37] <RAOF> What, exactly?
[06:40] <RAOF> Curse my out of date bzr!  I could be using jml's new smartserver support!
[06:40] <superm1_> jml's new smartserver support?
[06:41] <RAOF> bzr+ssh://foo
[06:41] <RAOF> Makes bzr operations substantially faster
[06:42] <superm1_> well this branch unfortunately has had a wealth of binary files in it, so grabbing the whole thing will take ages :(
[06:42] <RAOF> Recently rolled out to launchpad
[06:42] <RAOF> Ok
[06:42] <superm1_> 131 MB according to du -sh
[06:43] <superm1_> whereas the total file size on the branch now is < 10
[06:43] <RAOF> Whoops
[06:43] <superm1_> since bzr doesn't support retiring old versions, we might scrap it in favor of a new branch
[06:43] <superm1_> and better control of what gets put into it
[06:45] <RAOF> Ooh, cool.  It seems feisty's bzr is new enough to support bzr+ssh
[06:47] <superm1> so how is that any different than bzr branch sftp:// ?
[06:47] <superm1> (that's what i use for branches i own)
[06:48] <superm1> okay it appears that apt is fixed enough to make it past debootstrap
[06:48] <RAOF> superm1: It's the custom bzr protocol over ssh.  So rather than just copying the files raw over the network, it can optimise
[06:48] <superm1> okay so let me republish the ubiquity source package (evand still hasn't merged in my changes from last night)
[06:48] <superm1> and then you can build the 64 bit variant of that
[06:49] <RAOF> Huzzah!
[06:49] <superm1> :)
[06:49] <RAOF> One mythtv + buildd + webserver + ... coming up :)
[06:50] <superm1> see now if imbrandon gets his buildd's sorted out, this won't be happening........
[06:50] <RAOF> You mean, the ubuntuwire ones?
[06:50] <superm1> yea
[06:51] <RAOF> Mmm.  Well, you're always welcome to my box as a buildd
[06:51] <superm1> watch out, i will likely take you up on that offer :)
[06:52] <RAOF> As long as you don't mind doing it manually, or setting it up for me.
[06:52] <superm1> manually not at all -
[06:52] <RAOF> Eh, I like to help the x86-64 cause
[06:56] <superm1> RAOF, for setting up a automatic way of doing things, that would mean a buildd watches for stuff to be dput'ed to it and then build?
[06:56] <superm1> i've wondered what sort of daemon needs to be running to handle such thigns
[06:56] <superm1> (what LP buildds have and such)
[06:56] <RAOF> I'm actually thinking of writing a trivial buildd
[06:57] <superm1> something that is a basic frontend for pbuilder?
[06:57] <RAOF> It'd be easy.  A little pyinotify, a little pbuilder...
[06:57] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:57] <superm1> the scripts out there that are used on the buildds have to be out there somewhere, it can't be that bad to set up
[06:58] <superm1> just gotta find the right people to prod to get it going
[06:58] <RAOF> The buildds are a little bit specialised, I thinw
[06:58] <RAOF> k
[06:58] <superm1> perhaps they use a sbuild variant in a chroot
[06:58] <RAOF> They don't do the pbuilder.  Or sbuild.
[06:58] <superm1> hm
[06:59] <RAOF> They do crazy stuff, AFAICT.  I looked into how debian buildds work, and it was mad
[06:59] <superm1> you basically have to dedicate a box to handling that and nothing more?
[07:00] <RAOF> Yes, I think so
[07:00] <superm1> okay yesterday's changes are also dependent on today's upload of mythtv and mythplugins - so i wonder if those are published yet
[07:00] <RAOF> I should hack something up.  Maybe I'll start now :)
[07:02] <superm1> RAOF, okay grab the source package here: http://mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/
[07:02] <superm1> for ubiquity
[07:03] <superm1> that needs to be kicked through a 64 bit pbuilder
[07:03] <RAOF> Right.  Presumably a gutsy one
[07:03] <superm1> yes
[07:04] <RAOF> Hooray for dget
[07:05] <superm1> you can dget from there?
[07:05] <RAOF> Yup
[07:05] <superm1> neat, had no idea.  does that work on most repos with source packages?
[07:05] <RAOF> Its a standard repo setup
[07:06] <RAOF> Yes. As long as the .dsc and other files are in the same directory, I think
[07:06] <superm1> awesome.  i'll keep that in mind
[07:06] <superm1> i'm putting off moving that repo to falcon 2 yet
[07:07] <RAOF> Why?  Although my repo is also not on falcon 2 yet, either
[07:07] <superm1> the config doesnt automatically move over
[07:07] <superm1> so it has to be reconfigured
[07:07] <superm1> and its not as easy to keep several configs on one machine
[07:07] <superm1> from what it appears
[07:07] <RAOF> Oooh. Right.
[07:08] <superm1> i have probably 5 falcon.ini's in /etc that i normally maintain 5 different places
[07:08] <superm1> so thats bad for me
[07:08] <RAOF> Yeah.  I have just the one.
[07:09] <superm1> okay it appears if you do the build using mirror.imbrandon.com, the newer mythtv and mythplugins managed to publish there.  the default cs.umn.edu mirror hasn't got them yet
[07:11] <RAOF> And how will I fandangle the ubiquity in there?
[07:11] <superm1> well either you'll get that to me and i'll get it on mythbuntu.org (its an alternate source during the build process)
[07:11] <superm1> or i'll get you an acct on mythbuntu.org to drop it in with
[07:12] <RAOF> Ah, fair enough.
[07:12] <RAOF> bzr still spins its wheels...
[07:18] <RAOF> superm1: Right.  One amd64 ubiquity package built.  Where do you want it?
[07:19] <superm1> wow that was quick.  my thinkpad must be slow at building the i386 ones.  can you put it somewhere that i can just wget it in place?
[07:19] <superm1> it will take a bit to work out the symantics of setting up an acct otherwise
[07:19] <RAOF> Certainly
[07:21] <RAOF> www.cooperteam.net/code
[07:21] <RAOF> superm1: ^^^
[07:22] <superm1> Okay wget'ing as we speak
[07:23] <superm1> alright they are in place.  so now when your ready to start the build script let me know
[07:24] <RAOF> Certainly.  Just waiting on bzr
[07:24] <superm1> perhaps a bzr co --lightweight
[07:24] <superm1> might be a better idea
[07:25] <superm1> it grabs just the latest revision i think
[07:25] <RAOF> Hm.  Maybe.
[07:25] <superm1> or at least try that in parallel
[07:37] <RAOF> Wow.  Lightweight's not much faster than full, it seems
[07:37] <superm1> crazy bzr.
[07:38] <superm1> this was brought up at jam's talk on bzr
[07:38] <superm1> at CoDLUG
[07:38] <superm1> two weeks ago
[07:38] <superm1> and he said that it will be addressed in the coming revisions, but their priority right now has been merging accuracy and intelligence
[07:39] <RAOF> Which is fair enough
[07:40] <superm1> how big is the directory your pulling into thus far?  (you can gauge how far along you are)
[07:42] <RAOF> 8.4Mb
[07:42] <superm1> seriously?
[07:43] <RAOF> Yes
[07:43] <superm1> i can tar.gz up the build scripts and send htem to you quicker then
[07:43] <superm1> i'll do that
[07:43] <RAOF> :)
[07:43] <superm1> you can let this finish for future usage
[07:43] <superm1> but for now use the tar.gz i'll make
[07:43] <RAOF> Yeah.
[07:44] <superm1> can you accept DCCs?
[07:45] <RAOF> I dunno :)
[07:45] <RAOF> Want to try?  This is irssi
[07:45] <superm1> it appears no
[07:45] <superm1> i
[07:45] <superm1> 'll throw them in my webspace
[07:45] <RAOF> Ah, but I am behing a router
[07:46] <RAOF> Stupid nat
[07:46] <superm1> http://mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-livedisk-rev90.tar.gz
[07:47] <superm1> okay once you extract that, you run it by doing these sorts of things:
[07:47] <superm1> BASE_MIRROR='http://mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu/' sudo sh ./mythbuntu_install.sh
[07:48] <superm1> look it over and see if there are any env variables you want to override
[07:48] <superm1> but it will basically make a chroot in /tmp/mythbuntu_iso
[07:48] <superm1> and build the live disk in that
[07:48] <superm1> and generate an ISO placing it where you want to have it show up
[07:48] <RAOF> Right.  Cool
[07:49] <superm1> i don't know which mirrors have the newer myth packages other than imbrandon's, so i'd say just use his
[07:49] <RAOF> k
[07:50] <superm1> this is the first build including the cdrepository stuff too - so i'm not sure that is going to work right - the build that i'm running right now hasn't gotten to that code yet
[07:50] <superm1> but its written modular enough that if it fails with it in, you can pass something like CDREPOSITORY="no"
[07:50] <superm1> as an env variable
[07:50] <superm1> and its overridden
[07:51] <RAOF> Ok
[07:53] <RAOF> Is the debootstrap from feisty-upgrades/backports enough?
[07:53] <superm1> Hm i'm not positive
[07:53] <superm1> you'll see on the run through :)
[07:53] <superm1> i just grabbed the one from gutsy
[07:53] <superm1> and installed it on a feisty box
[07:54] <RAOF> :)
[07:58] <superm1> okay the cd repository stuff doesn't work as of yet, but it doesn't kill the build - just that part of it won't do anything yet
[07:58] <RAOF> K
[07:59] <RAOF> And the answer is "Yes, the -updates or -backports debootstrap is sufficient"
[07:59] <superm1> okay that's good to know
[08:08] <RAOF> Heh.  imbrandon's mirror manages a paltry 400kb/s :)
[08:08] <imbrandon> my mirror just rsync's from the main mirror every 2 hours
[08:08] <imbrandon> RAOF, i get 900kb/s from it ;)
[08:08] <imbrandon> @home
[08:09] <RAOF> Oh, so why was I recommended to use your mirror again?
[08:09] <superm1> because i know that it has the mythtv/mythplugins packages from tonight
[08:09] <RAOF> I suppose it is further away for me.
[08:09] <superm1> i'm not sure what other mirrors have synced yet
[08:35] <superm1> didn't see the warning at the top :)
[08:36] <superm1> you can set it not to clean up the old changes if you want
[08:36] <superm1> so you dont have to redo the *whole* thing
[08:36] <RAOF> Eh
[08:37] <RAOF> Seems to be almost done anyway
[08:47] <RAOF> Belay that. Wow, it does quite a lot of work to build the cd!
[08:47] <superm1> :)
[08:47] <superm1> the process is getting easier and easier though as more and more parts are moved into debian packages
[08:59] <RAOF> superm1: Bah.  It failed at the last step
[08:59] <superm1> during which step?
[08:59] <RAOF> mv: cannot move `/var/cache/mythbuntu_iso/home/remastersys/mythbuntu.iso' to `/var/cache/mythbuntu_isos/result/mythbuntu-7.10~070710-amd64.iso': No such file or directory
[09:00] <superm1> oh thats ok
[09:00] <superm1> the iso is still generated
[09:00] <superm1> if you don't have that directory, /var/cache/mythbuntu_isos/result
[09:00] <superm1> then it can't move it there :)
[09:00] <RAOF> Yeah, I see now
[09:00] <superm1> its in /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/home/remastersys/mythbuntu.iso i believe
[09:00] <RAOF> Yes, it is
[09:01] <superm1> it should be between 387-460 mb or so
[09:01] <RAOF> 396
[09:01] <RAOF> Yay!
[09:01] <superm1> great :)
[09:01] <RAOF> Want me to put that somewhere world-visible?
[09:02] <superm1> I'd prefer to get the cd repository code fixed first -
[09:02] <superm1> so no rush as of yet
[09:02] <superm1> but the process is down now, and you have your iso to play with :)
[09:02] <RAOF> Ok.  But that should work to install :)
[09:02] <superm1> yes
[09:02] <RAOF> Yay1
[09:03] <superm1> during install - there are two gui elements in the installer that won't do anything yet
[09:03] <superm1> the lirc page
[09:03] <superm1> and the tuner selection
[09:03] <superm1> everything else is active
[09:03] <RAOF> Cool.  I suppose I get to plug in my LCD rather than the TV for install
[09:04] <superm1> well depends on if your TV shows a display using the open source drivers
[09:04] <superm1> (my tv does)
[09:04] <RAOF> Cool.  Well, we can see how well the nv drivers handle TV out on a 6600GT
[09:05] <superm1> during install you will be given an option to activate the proprietary driver for post install too
[09:05] <superm1> and configure tv out if your interested
[09:05] <RAOF> Is that going to install the -new drivers?
[09:05] <superm1> yes
[09:05] <RAOF> Cool.
[09:45] <superm1> RAOF, i'm gonna get to bed.  hopefully things work out as expected with the install - i just ran through my local build, and one more thing is needed on the mythweb yet, and the gdm theme after install is coming up wrong - but nothing else for me.
[10:33] <geek_pclos> anyone still around?
[10:33] <geek_pclos> foxbuntu ya there
[10:34] <geek_pclos> i reinstalled the OS and now am following step by step for getting ATI cards to work with PVR 150 in Mythtv
[10:34] <geek_pclos> brb more configuring and rebooting to be done
[11:05] <RAOF> superm1: Thanks
[02:00] <DaveMorris> whats the name of the CMS that is running on mythbuntu.org ?
[03:53] <superm1> DaveMorris, drupal
[03:56] <DaveMorris> cheers
[03:56] <DaveMorris> did Daviey tell you what he found out at LRL07 concerning mythtv ?
[03:57] <superm1> a release date!
[03:57] <superm1> of 0.21
[03:58] <DaveMorris> yeah
[03:58] <superm1> a not so good one though....
[03:58] <DaveMorris> my suggestion was .20-fixes branch for ubuntu, trunk then 0.21 branch for mythbuntu
[04:00] <superm1> only problem is i see it a wii bit dangerous
[04:00] <DaveMorris> what do you think?
[04:00] <DaveMorris> well we can release mythbuntu a week after .21
[04:00] <DaveMorris> what ever we do ubuntu will be 6 months behind
[04:00] <superm1> well october was just a "target"
[04:00] <superm1> right?
[04:00] <DaveMorris> true
[04:01] <superm1> so it can still work very much so in our favor
[04:01] <superm1> or way against it
[04:01] <DaveMorris> I was thinking the other day, if it would be possible to auto package trunk every week and allow people who want it to run it, but we strongly suggest they run .20-fixes
[04:02] <superm1> well my auto packaging script has support to do that for trunk already
[04:02] <superm1> but there has been discussion whether or not its a good idea to do
[04:02] <DaveMorris> will ubuntu guys allow it though?
[04:02] <DaveMorris> maybe calling it mythtv-bleeding-edge
[04:02] <superm1> well it wouldnt be going into ubuntu then
[04:03] <superm1> it would stick on mythbuntu.org
[04:03] <superm1> if it was auto packaged weekly
[04:03] <DaveMorris> yeah, but people can add the repo to the ubuntu install
[04:04] <superm1> the argument against it was that it is too easy for unrepairable breakage
[04:05] <superm1> whereas the 0.20-fixes repo on mythbuntu.org can work to our advantage in terms of bug fixing / reporting
[04:05] <DaveMorris> can't we just say, here it is, no support
[04:06] <DaveMorris> just makes it that bit easier for the people that want bleeding edge rather than having to compile it
[04:06] <superm1> well yes it does - i agree there
[04:07] <DaveMorris> and they can easily get the updates, would help iron out problems and make it easier for developers to get the newer version tested
[04:07] <superm1> compiling is usually the big deterrent for people who shouldnt be on trunk from using it though too
[04:08] <DaveMorris> also stops people like me running trunk on a test box, because I'm too busy to be compiling it all the time
[04:08] <DaveMorris> or lazy
[04:08] <DaveMorris> me as well
[04:09] <superm1> well perhaps this
[04:09] <superm1> if the trunk packaging is installed
[04:10] <superm1> and it detects an existing database
[04:10] <superm1> offer to back it up
[04:10] <DaveMorris> yep, sounds good
[04:11] <superm1> well laga needs to merge in my changes to his branches then
[04:12] <superm1> anyhow i need to take off for a bit here.  DaveMorris could you respond to my mail about lirc and what you think?
[06:05] <laga> yep, i do need to merge those changes :(
[06:10] <kruuli> hey guys
[06:21] <laga> hi kruuli
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #125082 in mythplugins (multiverse) "typo in mythweb debconf prompt" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125082
[07:42] <laga> embarrassing typo
[07:43] <laga> i thought it had to be that way:(
[07:58] <superm1> haha.  i'll fix it in the next upload
[07:58] <superm1> i read right past it
[07:58] <laga> :)
[07:59] <superm1> there are a few other odds and ends that need to be fixed yet too regarding debhelper tags
[07:59] <superm1> that need to be sorted
[07:59] <superm1> laga, could you merge my changes back into those trunk branches though
[07:59] <superm1> then we can experiment with the automatic trunk building
[08:00] <laga> sure, i'll try to get it done till thursday evening (UTC + 0200)
[08:01] <superm1> till?
[08:01] <laga> s/till/until/ ?
[08:01] <superm1> as in you're going to start, and work until thur, utc+2?
[08:02] <superm1> for some reason that statement just didn't read right
[08:02] <laga> i was given an award because i was the best in english in my graduating class. i feel embarrassed now ;)
[08:02] <laga> superm1: i#ll have it finished by then hopefully
[08:02] <superm1> haha.  ah okay.  that makes much more sense
[08:02] <superm1> thats what i thought you meant
[08:02] <superm1> but couldnt be sure
[08:06] <superm1> laga, the one thing that might not cleanly translate is that mythtv_0.20.1.sql
[08:06] <superm1> you can give it a shot, but i'm not sure if additional $stuff is added to the sql table from the first run of mythtv-setup
[08:06] <superm1> in 0.21
[08:06] <laga> um
[08:06] <laga> i'll have to try that
[08:07] <superm1> if nothing else, i can explain to you how i generated it
[08:07] <superm1> its not too bad
[08:08] <laga> thanks
[08:08] <laga> i'll give it a try
[08:08] <superm1> ideally its supposed to let you run mythfrontend without having to run mythtv-setup
[08:08] <superm1> unless you want to add tuners
[08:10] <laga> nice
[10:24] <tgm4883> slightly off topic, but does anyone know the differences between ubuntu and gobuntu?  I might be missing something but they appear to have the same philosophy
[10:35] <superm1> tgm4883, it won't include nonfree hardware support
[10:35] <superm1> and nonfree software
[10:35] <tgm4883> ah
[10:35] <superm1> nonfree software can be included in ubuntu repositories currently
[10:36] <tgm4883> otherwise its the same?
[10:36] <superm1> an example would be atheros chipsets
[10:36] <superm1> they need a piece of firmware to operate
[10:36] <superm1> which is shipped with ubuntu
[10:36] <superm1> whereas gobuntu won't support such things
[10:37] <superm1> this introduction of gobuntu will probably help ompaul and the other gnewsense guys very much
[10:37] <superm1> less duplication on their parts
[10:38] <tgm4883> Are their any plans to take ubuntu and add more closed source things by default now that they will have gobuntu?
[10:38] <tgm4883> ie, flash, mp3, dvd
[10:39] <superm1> my gut would say no
[10:39] <superm1> because those require additional licensing
[10:39] <superm1> that ubuntu doesn't have atm
[10:40] <tgm4883> ah
[10:40] <tgm4883> adding specific repos to gobuntu also wouldn't allow the addition of non free software?
[10:40] <superm1> well if your using gobuntu, your likely pretty hard core about free software
[10:41] <superm1> so i dont see why you would do that
[10:41] <tgm4883> me neither, but you could in theory?
[10:41] <superm1> yes
[10:41] <tgm4883> o
[10:41] <tgm4883> ok
[10:41] <superm1> i mean it will still be binary compatible with ubuntu i'd think
[10:41] <superm1> within the same release cycle
[10:42] <tgm4883> ok, so it's more like kubuntu, xubuntu in the respect it's just an altered version of whats included in the installation
[10:44] <superm1> well just the same, i imagine that mobile ubuntu will be binary compatible with ubuntu
[10:44] <superm1> in the same release
[10:44] <superm1> so the development happening for it will help all ubuntu releases
[10:44] <tgm4883> on a seperate note thats a little more on topic, I thought you had to have xwindows to setup mythtv
[10:44] <tgm4883> ah
[10:44] <superm1> just the same as anyone can install the mythbuntu packages on a normal ubuntu release
[10:44] <superm1> yes you do
[10:44] <tgm4883> hmm
[10:45] <tgm4883> well i've responded to this guy ina thread, (who for the most part is being an ass), and asked him how he did it
[10:45] <tgm4883> " I brought up my entire Myth box without even bothering to install Xwindows"
[10:45] <tgm4883> I didn't think you could, but thought I would ask
[10:46] <superm1> well you could
[10:46] <superm1> if you did mythtv-setup remotely
[10:46] <superm1> via x-forwarding
[10:46] <superm1> you need it at some point though
[10:46] <superm1> on some box
[10:47] <tgm4883> but wouldn't you still have to install X?
[10:47] <laga> you will still need the xlibs
[10:47] <superm1> only on the box you forward to
[10:47] <tgm4883> oh i thought you had to have it on the main box
[11:03] <ompaul> superm1, from talking with colin I think that gobuntu will not do the kernel hacks we do
[11:03] <ompaul> but it will be great to have more eyes looking at the top level stuff
[11:04] <superm1> ompaul, what sort of kernel hacks are you guys up to?
[11:04] <ompaul> removing things that rational people would leave in
[11:04] <ompaul> blobs where there is GPL but we see them as not editable
[11:05] <superm1> i gathered that a while ago :)
[11:05] <superm1> when you say you dont seem them as editable, what does that mean?
[11:09] <ompaul> where there is binary, let there be source
[11:10] <superm1> could you show an example of where there is a binary file in the kernel that is GPL?
[11:22] <superm1> ompaul, ^?
[11:23] <ompaul> just a sec
[11:25] <ompaul> http://svn.gnewsense.svnhopper.net/gnewsense/builder/trunk/firmware/firmware-removed
[11:25] <ompaul> remember that is the
[11:25] <ompaul> based on dapper
[11:25] <ompaul> newer work in not in the public domain
[11:25] <ompaul> cos no one documented it (ARRRRR)
[11:25] <laga> it lists "drivers/media/dvb/frontends/tda10021.c"
[11:25] <laga> my dvb card would work really well with that kernel ;)
[11:26] <ompaul> so there ya go
[11:26] <superm1> a lot of these looks like headers for firmware loaders if anything
[11:26] <ompaul> we are making a point of what needs to have drivers written in a way that works
[11:26] <superm1> ( i dont have kernel source right in front of me, but that is what i would see them to be at a glance)
[11:27] <ompaul> well what happens is you go into the file
[11:27] <ompaul> and it looks okay
[11:27] <laga> i've gotta run. have a nice day
[11:27] <ompaul> then you get
[11:27] <superm1> cya laga
[11:27] <ompaul> 323bits in a row and you look
[11:27] <ompaul> and you see that is not c code
[11:27] <ompaul> in fact it is not asm
[11:27] <superm1> assembly?
[11:27] <ompaul> so you shoot it
[11:27] <superm1> oh i see
[11:28] <superm1> even stuff like e100 has such things.  crazy
[11:28] <superm1> you must have spent ages to go through such a sweep
[11:28] <superm1> over the kernel
[11:30] <superm1> ompaul, ah i see, the microcode listed here http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/drivers/net/e100.c
[11:30] <ompaul> now your lokoing
[11:30] <ompaul> :)
[11:31] <ompaul> looking
[11:31] <ompaul> when that happened we got a better kernel there was a clash between e10** drivers
[11:32] <superm1> ompaul, then what is your take to loading new revision of microcode for hardware
[11:32] <superm1> say intel releases a new microcode
[11:32] <superm1> for your cpu
[11:32] <superm1> where of course it was preprogrammed with somtehing you couldn't modify
[11:32] <superm1> so how is loading the new microcode any different
[11:32] <ompaul> so intel stops working
[11:33] <ompaul> now if it was amd I would have lots of problems
[11:33] <ompaul> :)
[11:33] <ompaul> but if it was amd
[11:33] <superm1> so the approach then becomes support them and their binary microcode shipped on the product - until a new microcode is introduced?
[11:33] <ompaul> then I have a point made
[11:33] <ompaul> that is the current kernel stance
[11:34] <ompaul> imagine if we had in our first run not made a compilable system
[11:34] <superm1> so even as extreme as you are, it must be taken with a grain of salt
[11:34] <ompaul> cos what is happening is that we are having micocode dropped on us
[11:34] <ompaul> we don't need it
[11:35] <ompaul> manage the exceptions
[11:35] <superm1> well what if your (un)fortunate enough to have a core2
[11:35] <ompaul> etc
[11:35] <ompaul> wooooops
[11:35] <superm1> :)
[11:35] <ompaul> now put on a paranoid hat
[11:35] <ompaul> and work out what is in that binary blob?
[11:35] <ompaul> do you really trust it?
[11:36] <ompaul> you sure as hell can't change it
[11:36] <superm1> well that depends, i already had to trust the binary blob that came on the product
[11:36] <ompaul> yes
[11:36] <superm1> so i must have developed some initial trust with the company
[11:36] <ompaul> at a linux kernel level
[11:36] <ompaul> you should be able to change stuff
[11:37] <ompaul> and companies to work well with the kernel should provide C or build the card for .50c more
[11:37] <superm1> (or asm)
[11:37] <ompaul> there are a litany of ways to read it
[11:37] <ompaul> asm is good
[11:37] <ompaul> not as nice as C
[11:37] <ompaul> but good none the less
[11:38] <ompaul> the short cut of "I am only populating an array" is great when you get a couple of k of this stuff
[11:38] <ompaul> yeah what are you populating it with
[11:38] <ompaul> hehe
[11:38] <superm1> haha
[11:39] <superm1> so how in depth is gobuntu really going to be then?
[11:39] <superm1> when you say they aren't adapting all of your changes
[11:42] <ompaul> so they are doing the zero restricted
[11:42] <ompaul> this will clean up some of the stuff we start with
[11:42] <ompaul> this means we are more like kernel.org
[11:42] <ompaul> so then
[11:43] <ompaul> they are not doing multiverse
[11:43] <ompaul> so this will be nice
[11:43] <ompaul> but then these are minor changes for us
[11:43] <ompaul> they have the rights to firefox
[11:44] <ompaul> but I don't think they are going to cull it although it has freedom issues as it downloads non free extentions
[11:44] <ompaul> so we culled it and called  it burning dog
[11:44] <ompaul> gutted it a fair bit
[11:44] <ompaul> and of course unless they put emacs in main can we call it free
[11:45] <ompaul> :)
[11:45] <superm1> emacs isn't in main?
[11:45] <superm1> 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[11:51] <ompaul> sorry on the disk
[11:52] <superm1> okay i've gotta run for a few.  have a good one ompaul
[11:52] <ompaul> cheers
[11:54] <kruuli> hum .. cant schedule recordings anymore
[11:55] <kruuli> it does not show in "upcoming recordings"
[11:55] <kruuli> tryed the optimize db with no luck
[11:56] <kruuli> it does not give me any error .. just shows nothing under upcoming recordings .. the ones i had are gone and new one does not stick
[11:56] <kruuli> any tip? :)
[11:57] <kruuli> does show under recording schedule :o