[12:27] <Jester45> its a phone cello
[12:28] <Jester45> cellofellow, are you doing the oem install?
[12:30] <Jester45> hiya BFTD
[12:30] <cellofellow> I may have to, but most of my boxes are too old for *buntu.
[12:30] <cellofellow> How does the OEM thing work?
[12:30] <servaas-xubuntu-> cellofellow: can you see on wich port it is happening ?
[12:30] <Jester45> doesnt xubuntu have oem ?
[12:30] <cellofellow> I does, but I doubt that'd run on a 90Mhz Pentium-S.
[12:31] <cellofellow> or a 486.
[12:31] <cellofellow> May run on a 210Mhz K6.
[12:31] <BFTD> ?
[12:31] <BFTD> hi all
[12:31] <BFTD> I have ubuntu running on a 300 MHz CPU right now
[12:32] <cellofellow> I think the best of the boxes I have in my garage are about that fast.
[12:32] <cellofellow> Oldest looks like an 8088 or a 386 or something.
[12:32] <BFTD> I have a....let me look again
[12:33] <cellofellow> Best thing I can think of for that box is perhaps a Text-based thin-client.
[12:33] <BFTD> what is a think client?
[12:34] <BFTD> I have an old 8080 CPU right here
[12:34] <BFTD> dude
[12:34] <BFTD> how fast would that be
[12:34] <BFTD> how OLD would that be?
[12:34] <Jester45> BFTD, its where the machine uses a network for the harddrive (i tihnk)
[12:34] <BFTD> hrm
[12:34] <cellofellow> I have no idea. I haven't opened that particular box to see. I has on the outside view only a 3 1/2" and a 5 1/8" floppy.
[12:35] <BFTD> oh, so like a terminal
[12:35] <cellofellow> Yeah, it's based off of the idea.
[12:37] <cellofellow> Some of the newer ones (the ones with real video cards) could be X thin clients. I have two servers that look pretty buff in that pile of silicon in my garage.
[12:38] <BFTD> hrm
[12:39] <BFTD> you need at least 4 MB video card to run X though
[12:40] <cellofellow> I've yet to run into one that has less than that, though some that meet that.
[12:40] <cellofellow> 'sides, can't you use shared video?
[12:40] <cellofellow> shared memory
[12:41] <Jester45> yea... take the little away that they all ready have and give it to X
[12:41] <Jester45> is there any curses based gui
[12:42] <cellofellow> I smell trouble. One of the boxes had about 8MB RAM. I think it had gotten gutted or something.
[12:42] <Jester45> other than then programs that have it
[12:42] <cellofellow> Not a full desktop, that I know of.
[12:42] <cellofellow> wait!
[12:42] <cellofellow> there is actually
[12:42] <Jester45> it probly would have the same res as X but still... fast and small
[12:43] <cellofellow> If you can get framebuffer working
[12:44] <cellofellow> I'm still searching, but I think there's something called Twin that is a curses (or similar) based window manager.
[12:45] <cellofellow> TWin, for Text Windows.
[12:45] <cellofellow> twin.sf.net
[12:47] <cellofellow> It's even X11 compatible. I think I found what I want.
[12:54] <Jester45> your welcome :)
[12:54] <cellofellow> thanks for the idea.
[01:12] <Redimere> Hey Jester, I got a good one for you
[01:12] <Redimere> !ntfs
[01:12] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:12] <cellofellow> you'd think a text-mode app like twin would be easy to compile
[01:12] <Jester45> maybe
[01:12] <cellofellow> It's not working.
[01:12] <cellofellow> ah, here it is in repos
[01:12] <cellofellow> Huh, the repo one is the development version I didn't download. I downloaded the stable version.
[01:12] <cellofellow> bitform: hello there :)
[01:12] <Redimere> hey cello, d'you know how to make a window translucent?
[01:12] <workinproces> HELP PLEASE: I've been trying to install xubuntu on an old desktop and the installation fails when it tries to mount the cd-rom. it is a CyberDrv CW058D CD-R/RW
[01:12] <cellofellow> Redimere: Two ways: enable Compositing in XFWM4, or install Compiz or one of its brothers, Beryl or Compiz-Fusion.
[01:12] <cellofellow> Compiz will get you more effects, xfwm only transparency.
[01:12] <cellofellow> I think the transparency stuff is in Settings>Window Manager Tweaks.
[01:12] <workinproces> HELP PLEASE: I've been trying to install xubuntu on an old desktop and the installation fails when it tries to mount the cd-rom. it is a CyberDrv CW058D CD-R/RW
[01:12] <Jester45> Redimere, that would be tranparent and you can do that at settings -> window manager tweaks  -> compositor
[01:12] <Redimere> what if I'm already running e17
[01:12] <cellofellow> Then I don't know what to say. E is not my favorite, though I have tried it.
[01:12] <cellofellow> I don't know if E17 can do transparency or not. I know xfwm, metacity, and kwin can.
[01:12] <Redimere> why don't you like it?
[01:12] <workinproces> anyone please?
[01:12] <cellofellow> workinproces: not sure.
[01:12] <cellofellow> you could replace the CD drive temporarily just for the installation. I bet an installed system can use it.
[01:12] <cellofellow> Jester45: Twin is great. Will send screenshot ASAP.
[01:12] <Jester45> k
[01:12] <workinproces> i dont just have another cd drive at my disposal.
[01:12] <Jester45> compiled allready?
[01:13] <cellofellow> Jester45: nah, used apt.
[01:13] <Redimere> lame.
[01:13] <Redimere> ;P
[01:13] <workinproces> I was thinking about taking out the hard drive I wanted to use for it and put it on a different computer and install it on the hd that way. but that is far too much work. its ridiculous.
[01:13] <Redimere> if your looking for ezmode your runinng the wrong OS family m8
[01:14] <Redimere> does the livecd run?
[01:16] <workinproces> i tried doing ubuntu live cd(despite the fact that I have a processor overclocked at 900mh(yes thats the best it can do) the ram overclocked(I only have 128mb ram))
[01:16] <workinproces> obviously that didnt work. specially nnot the live cd.
[01:16] <Redimere> then the computer is most likely too old duder, try an older version of redhat or something lighter
[01:16] <workinproces> I believe xubuntu would be best. but the live cd wont run. and the alternate wont detect the cd rom
[01:19] <bitform> how do I reset the password for my freenode nick?
[01:19] <cellofellow> dunno
[01:20] <cellofellow> Jester45: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net:8080/~josh/files/twin-screenshot.png
[01:22] <Jester45> cellofellow, not bad
[01:23] <cellofellow> It'd work on an old 386 I think.
[01:23] <cellofellow> mutt, nano, lynx, y'know, the normal text suite.
[01:24] <Redimere> cellofellow: lordpenguin? lawlz
[01:32] <cenebris> hi
[01:32] <Redimere> what can I do you for
[01:32] <cenebris> just wanted to ask - is compiz fusion easy to install on xubuntu?
[01:32] <Redimere> yessir
[01:32] <Jester45> yea
[01:33] <cenebris> well I tried it with kubuntu on few different machines using different tutorials and it was mess
[01:33] <cenebris> is it possible to try it with live cd first?
[01:33] <Jester45> yes
[01:33] <Jester45> it should be
[01:34] <cenebris> but I have nvidia card and I don't remember if I need to restart pc after installing nvidia drivers
[01:38] <Redimere> just restart X
[01:38] <Redimere> that should do teh trick
[01:38] <cenebris> ctrl+alt+backspace will do?
[01:38] <Redimere> yessir
[01:38] <cenebris> nice
[01:38] <cenebris> is xfce really that fast in comparison with gnome/kde?
[01:38] <Redimere> it's alot lighter
[01:38] <Redimere> I don't even run xfce
[01:38] <Amgine> Well, I've had it running for an hour or so... and it is visibly faster.
[01:38] <bitform> Isn't compiz fusion and xfce sort of a contradiction?
[01:38] <Jester45> no
[01:38] <bitform> explain
[01:38] <bitform> pls
[01:38] <Jester45> xfce is not only a lighter desktop its also about a diffrent inferface
[01:40] <Jester45> i use xfce on higher end machines just because it like it
[01:40] <cenebris> but xfce is kinda like gnome?
[01:40] <bitform> I really like it too. It runs great
[01:40] <Jester45> nothing to do with lightness to me its and extra bonus
[01:40] <bitform> that's cool
[01:40] <Redimere> Jester45: Why bother with a UI you don't have to bicker with?
[01:40] <Jester45> ??
[01:40] <Jester45> i dont like gnome or kde i like xfce its perfect for me
[01:40] <Redimere> Fair enough, I just like having my computer be finnicky at times
[01:54] <cenebris> and how about skype or opera and all those qt apps?
[01:54] <Redimere> cenebris, Xubuntu can run just about anything
[01:54] <cenebris> but I think also about the look of it
[01:54] <bitform>  ok dumb question but what is a great, lightweight, and easy to use text editor w/ syntax coloring definitions for Java, C++, etc. ???
[01:54] <Jester45> cenebris, xubuntu uses the same set of applications as kubuntu and ubuntu
[01:54] <Jester45> so you can install any app that you can with those
[01:54] <Jester45> bitform, scite is nice
[01:54] <bitform> i will check that out. thank you
[01:54] <cenebris> qt apps doesn't look nice in gtk environments (I like and use amarok, opera and skype)
[01:54] <Jester45> i really wish there was something that said xubuntu is part of ubuntu not a completly seprate distro
[01:54] <Redimere> innit just a lightened up version of ubuntu anyways?
[01:54] <Jester45> its a version that install xfce and not gnome
[01:54] <Jester45> you can install xfce and gnome
[01:54] <Jester45> or gnome/kde or kde/gnome/xfce
[01:54] <Redimere> why you would ever want to do that is beyond me, but you could
[01:54] <Jester45> i have part kde gnome and xfce installed
[01:54] <Jester45> xfce is the main i have gparted and gnomebaker (with gnome libs as a dep) and amaork (part of KDE)
[02:04] <Redimere> yar
[02:04] <Redimere> I'm on E17 and I've still got kdegames and gxine and gedit running
[02:10] <Redimere> Hey Jester, I'm in a tinkering mood, what's a good thing to learn to do in linux
[02:10] <echosystm> if i install xdm as oposed to gdm, will i still be able to shutdown from within xfce?
[02:10] <echosystm> i mean... not from terminal
[02:10] <echosystm> and without having to put a password in etc. :P
[02:26] <Jester45> Redimere, try writing some bash scripts
[02:26] <Redimere> Jester45: Sounds like a plan
[02:26] <Jester45> they are really powerfull
[02:26] <kalikiana> ^^ Haha, shellscript is the most evil thing about gnu/linux :P
[02:26] <Jester45> and are the basic way of how your system starts
[02:26] <Jester45> kalikiana, how so
[02:26] <Redimere> right
[02:26] <Redimere> well I wrote one once before, modified a timer to cause a kernel panic <.<
[02:26] <kalikiana> Jester45, I find their syntax horrible and they are not really good when it comes to error-messages
[02:26] <kalikiana> Yet I need them for some things.
[02:26] <Jester45> i find the syntac wonderfull
[02:28] <Jester45> i hate languages that you have to compile like C and i hate php
[02:28] <Jester45> html is messy but im used to it
[02:28] <kalikiana> html is not a programming language anyway ;)
[02:28] <kalikiana> and there is python and lua if you like interpreted code.
[02:28] <Jester45> im starting ruby
[02:28] <Jester45> thats why i put a "and" because it was a seprate group
[02:28] <Jester45> but i still dont like it to much
[02:28] <Jester45> cellofellow, so is twin fast?
[02:28] <cellofellow> yes
[02:28] <Jester45> does it use a small res or can you make it big
[02:28] <cellofellow> uses your Linux res. Mine is 1024X768
[02:28] <Jester45> cool
[02:40] <Amgine> Where is the mysql basedir?
[03:03] <Roger_The_Bum> how do I install a driver for a wireless card?
[03:03] <Roger_The_Bum> it exists for linux, as native support was available for SuSE
[03:03] <Roger_The_Bum> and I can hunt it down
[03:03] <Roger_The_Bum> this is on a clean install of xubuntu
[03:19] <Jester45> !wifi | Roger_The_Bum
[03:19] <ubotu> Roger_The_Bum: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:19] <Roger_The_Bum> thanks
[03:45] <Roger_The_Bum> hmm
[05:12] <laserbeak43> hi
[05:12] <Jester45> hi
[05:12] <laserbeak43> if  i click on xfce's upper taskbar to try to add a program to it, it opens up fine, but there is no option to put a terminal shortcut there
[05:12] <laserbeak43> hey Jester45 how are you :)
[05:13] <Jester45> laserbeak43, are you talking about the menu or the panel
[05:13] <laserbeak43> the panel
[05:14] <Jester45> right click -> add new item -> laucher
[05:15] <laserbeak43> also, if mv ~/.config/autostart/beryl-manager.desktop ~/.config/beryl-manager.off # <-GNOME is the command  to get beryl running in a script for gnome, what would be the equivalent for xfce?
[05:15] <Jester45> edit laucher perferances, click to change the picture pick the terminal one. you might need to change the command iit would be Terminal.
[05:16] <Jester45> laserbeak43, depends on the script but i dont think  its gnome dependant could you pastebin the script
[05:16] <laserbeak43> ok
[05:16] <laserbeak43> oh so just type terminal? cool
[05:16] <laserbeak43> one pastebin coming up
[05:17] <laserbeak43> it's a dualmonitor/clone/vga/svideo script that works, just not with beryl
[05:19] <laserbeak43> Jester45: http://rafb.net/p/u2Sywu94.html
[05:19] <laserbeak43> also when i type terminal and click close, nothing happens for the terminal shortcut
[05:20] <darwin81> How come xfce4-panel isn't automatically started when I boot from LiveCD?
[05:20] <vidd> darrend, cuzz its broke on the live cd
[05:20] <laserbeak43> darwin81:  are you restoring a session?
[05:20] <Jester45> laserbeak43, thats fine
[05:20] <Jester45> just do what the guide says
[05:21] <laserbeak43> Jester45:  what guide?
[05:21] <vidd> darwin81, , cuzz its broke on the live cd
[05:21] <darwin81> No I'm doing a fresh install from the LiveCD
[05:21] <Jester45> laserbeak43, sory i thought you where doing that from a guide
[05:21] <laserbeak43> you mean the dual monitor thing?
[05:21] <Jester45> yea
[05:21] <laserbeak43> Jester45:  i did do it from a guide but it only talks about beryl for kde or gnome not xfce
[05:22] <Jester45> what ever you were doing its fine
[05:22] <laserbeak43> darwin81:  what vidd says makes sense then
[05:22] <Jester45> laserbeak43, you might need to use emerald if they dont tell you to use it
[05:22] <laserbeak43> Jester45:  i don't have errors, but it doesnt start beryl, is it supposed to?
[05:23] <laserbeak43> i have emerald and can start it manualy
[05:23] <laserbeak43> i just want the script to start it
[05:23] <Jester45> laserbeak43, also there is compiz-fusion its the newer version beryl is dead now
[05:23] <laserbeak43> oh crap :P
[05:23] <Jester45> :)
[05:23] <Jester45> its new thought
[05:24] <Jester45> right now its about the same thing
[05:24] <cellofellow> What is Emerald anyway? I know that an Emerald is a kind of Beryl, but that's in the real world.
[05:24] <Jester45> Emerald is Beryl's window decorator
[05:24] <cellofellow> huh
[05:24] <Jester45> and is also used with compiz
[05:24] <laserbeak43> cellofellow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SWTW6CAYFQ&mode=related&search=
[05:24] <vidd> it is like a theme manager
[05:24] <cellofellow> I thought Window Manager == Window Decorations
[05:25] <Jester45> nope
[05:25] <cellofellow> Does with xfwm4
[05:25] <Jester45> xfwm4  is a wm+decorator
[05:26] <Jester45> beryl is fully operational without emerald... but you have to use alt to move windows and you cant use the X to close them
[05:26] <cellofellow> so it behaves like EvilWM without Emerald?
[05:27] <Jester45> yea
[05:27] <Jester45> pretty much
[05:27] <Jester45> evilwm does have a border its just 1px
[05:29] <laserbeak43> Jester45:  typing Terminal into the command  section does nothing after i hit close, the launcher still isnt added
[05:29] <Jester45> laserbeak43, press alt+F2
[05:29] <Jester45> and type Terminal and see if that runs it
[05:30] <laserbeak43> oh wait
[05:30] <laserbeak43> nvm
[05:30] <laserbeak43> i was looking on the wrong side of the panel
[05:30] <laserbeak43> i added like 6 of them!! lol!!!
[05:31] <laserbeak43> thanks
[05:31] <laserbeak43> now about that script with beryl
[05:31] <laserbeak43> are you telling me there's no way to start beryl from this script?
[05:32] <Jester45> all i said was that the script was fine to use with xubuntu
[05:33] <laserbeak43> oh ok
[05:33] <laserbeak43> yeah it doesnt cause me any problems at all
[05:37] <laserbeak43> Jester45:  is this script turning beryl off in dual montior mode?
[05:37] <Jester45> idk
[05:37] <laserbeak43> i must not understand whats going on
[05:38] <laserbeak43> sorry i wont bother u about it anymore :P
[05:38] <Jester45> i just looked if it uses anything gnome has
[05:38] <laserbeak43> i'll ask the dude that made it
[06:59] <Cnl_Delta> hi there
[06:59] <Cnl_Delta> how can i install wvdial offline in Xubuntu 7.04?
[07:00] <maxamillion> Cnl_Delta: just a moment
[07:01] <Jester45> get it from http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/comm/wvdial
[07:01] <Cnl_Delta> tyvm
[07:01] <Jester45> i win :)
[07:02] <maxamillion> Jester45: i was checking dependencies
[07:02] <Jester45> the links are at the bottom
[07:02] <maxamillion> Cnl_Delta: make sure to install the dependencies first or else things won't turn out well
[07:02] <Jester45> you might need dependencies ifso download them from the links on that page
[07:02] <Cnl_Delta> i see a list of files
[07:02] <Cnl_Delta> too bad non single link to download all
[07:03] <Jester45> look at the bottom and get the version you need
[07:03] <Cnl_Delta> ahh the tar.gz
[07:03] <Jester45> not vary bottom
[07:04] <Jester45> it has a list of archs
[07:04] <Jester45> amd i386 or powerpc
[07:04] <maxamillion> Cnl_Delta: no, get a .deb
[07:04] <maxamillion> its seems that i have all the dependencies on my machine, but some of the libs are for C++ networking and i installed alot of dev-tools ... so you might want to grab them to be safe
[07:06] <Cnl_Delta> Download: [dsc]  [wvdial_1.56.orig.tar.gz]  [wvdial_1.56-1.1ubuntu2.diff.gz]   those are my options
[07:07] <Cnl_Delta> hmm i think igot the deb link
[07:07] <maxamillion> gotta run
[07:07] <Jester45> look at the section above that
[07:08] <Jester45> there is a tabel
[07:10] <Cnl_Delta> i got it, sure is a lot to download but it beats using XP on a P2
[07:11] <rokra> Hello, Is someone familiar with lighttpd?
[07:11] <Jester45> nope
[07:11] <Jester45> i do know that mininova.org runs on it
[07:22] <darwin81> I'm kinda boned. Xubuntu won
[07:22] <laserbeak43> anyone here use lmms with vst support?
[07:22] <darwin81> won't detect my ethernet port
[07:28] <Amgine> Suggestions for a php syntax highlighting editor?
[07:38] <Amgine> <coughs to see if the echo can be heard>
[07:39] <laserbeak43> Amgine:  scite?
[07:40] <Amgine> Thanks laserbeak43; will check that out.
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> It was four letters, I think it had an N in it
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> Amgine: nano can do syntax hilighting, btw
[07:49] <Amgine> nano? Will look that up as well.
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> it's a command line editor - very simple on the surface, but somewhat customizable (not to the extent of vim/emacs and company)
[07:51] <Amgine> Heh.
[08:19] <laserbeak43> when qt is installed is QTDIR automaticaly defined?
[09:36] <nzk> How do I transfer files from a visible network location to a visible external drive? In gnome I see them but in XFCE i don't/
[09:55] <Deviad> Can anyone pls tell me how to make a button behave differently when pressed with different keys in xmodmap?
[09:55] <Deviad> keycode 115 = Mode_switch
[09:56] <Deviad> I want this button to act like mode_switch when it's pressed along with keycode 116
[09:56] <Deviad> and as Super_L when it's pressed alone
[10:06] <tonyo> hello. how do i change the default word processor from abiword to openoffice?
[10:08] <tonyo> hello. how do i change the default word processor from abiword to openoffice?
[10:09] <tonyo> help!!!
[10:13] <bur[n] er> tonyo: right click, properties, change the open with
[10:16] <tonyo> oic
[10:16] <tonyo> ok
[10:16] <tonyo> thanks!
[10:17] <Deviad> Can anyone pls tell me how to associate Super_L to keycode 115 beyond mode_switch so that when they button is pressed alone it acts like Super_L but when it's pressed with keycode 116 it works like mode_switch?
[10:17] <Deviad> Pls!
[10:17] <Deviad> I haven't found it anywhere on google
[10:18] <tonyo> would anyone suggest a good inkjet printer that'll work out of the box on xubuntu?
[10:20] <bur[n] er> tonyo: anything HP for the most part, check the wiki
[10:20] <bur[n] er> tonyo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters
[12:05] <netrex> hi, all!
[12:05] <netrex> I've a question about xubuntu installation...
[12:05] <netrex> my laptop's cd drive is out of service and i can't install xubuntu via cd.
[12:05] <netrex> Does anyone have an idia how to install it?
[12:05] <netrex> Maybe over the network or using  floppy drive can help?
[12:11] <Peps> can your laptop boot on usb ?
[12:13] <Peps> netrex, you can install the live cd on a hard drive or usb key, and boot from this key on your laptop
[12:13] <netrex> didn't think about that...
[12:16] <netrex> thanks, i'll try find some information about installing iso images on usb key...
[12:18] <netrex> is special software needed for installing cd image on key?
[12:31] <Pumpernickel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#head-ca8e337bdfab6bfa1d064371898775fe1e9e22fd
[12:31] <Pumpernickel> Link goes to a page of HOWTOs for non-cd installs.
[12:42] <exw> is there supposed to be a /boot/grub/grub.conf? i don't see one in my instalation on xubuntu 7
[12:52] <exw> i found menu.list
[12:56] <exw> editing the grub kernel line at boot doesn't save the changes on subsequent boots
[01:03] <grumpymole> exw: see http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/05/ubuntu-how-to-edit-grub-boot-parameters.html
[01:04] <grumpymole> exw:
[01:05] <grumpymole> exw: oops.  that article discusses ways of making the change survive reboots
[01:05] <exw> grumpymole: thanks
[01:05] <exw> grumpymole: thats good :-)
[01:11] <exw> grumpymole: the surviving upgrades section is good, since i don't think my brother would remember to add acpi=force on a kernel update, and his laptop does not power off on shutdown without it :-)
[01:15] <Deviad> Can anyone pls tell me how to set a custom keymap as default for the console?
[01:15] <Deviad> I cannot use other keyamaps for my MacBook Pro keyboard but this.
[02:59] <echosystm> hi guys
[02:59] <echosystm> what are my options in terms of WYSIWYG or preview mode editors?
[03:00] <echosystm> other than nvu/komposer
[03:38] <Peps> I'm trying to change my keyboard layout, for xfce
[03:38] <Peps> but when I change something and I close the window, nothing is saved
[04:33] <dusko> only english here?
[04:45] <laserbeak43> hi
[04:45] <laserbeak43> i thought that i'd installed everything qt3.3.x had to offer, but when running make for LMMS i get this error /usr/include/qt3/qglobal.h:775:21: error: qconfig.h: No such file or directory
[04:45] <laserbeak43> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!
[04:46] <laserbeak43> :/
[04:47] <Jester45> looks like your missing a file
[04:48] <laserbeak43> lol
[04:48] <laserbeak43> yeah
[04:48] <laserbeak43> but where could it possibly be?
[04:58] <Jester45> laserbeak43, try sudo find / | grep qglobal.h*
[04:58] <laserbeak43> cool i'll do that
[05:03] <laserbeak43> Jester45:  it's there, in 3 locations
[05:03] <laserbeak43> but then why isnt the compiler picking it up?
[05:07] <BrightEyes`> how can i put the language icon near the clock in the latest xfce?
[05:07] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: you use qt installed from repositiories or compiled by yourself?
[05:08] <laserbeak43> repo...
[05:11] <Howdy125> laserbeak43, maybe this thread will help .. http://www.webservertalk.com/message1480891.html
[05:11] <laserbeak43> Howdy125:  thanks i'll have a look
[05:11] <Howdy125> yw .. gl
[05:18] <BrightEyes`> how can i make a key shortcut to change the keyboard language?
[05:20] <laserbeak43> Howdy125:  turns out that i needed  a dev version of libqt3c102-mt
[05:23] <damike84_> hmm. if i remove a package he doesnt remove the dependendys - how can i enable that?
[05:25] <TheSheep> damike84_: apt-get autoremove
[05:26] <laserbeak43> anyone familiar with this message? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lesd
[05:26] <laserbeak43> can't seem to find it on google
[05:27] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: you need esound-dev
[05:27] <laserbeak43> on it thanks :)
[05:27] <TheSheep> or just esound
[05:27] <laserbeak43> how could you tell?
[05:28] <laserbeak43> that an acrnym for esound?
[05:28] <TheSheep> esd -- enlightment sound daemon, yes
[05:29] <damike84_> TheSheep, thx a lot
[05:31] <godless> crimping network cable isn't as fun as the nifty network crimping tool might lead you to believe...
[05:31] <godless> anyway, as you were :)
[05:32] <laserbeak43> can someone help me find the name of the esound dev lib? cause the only lib or dev stuff i can find are really SDL
[05:35] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: esound should be enough
[05:36] <laserbeak43> i still get the error after installing it
[05:37] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: what does 'locate libesd' say?
[05:37] <laserbeak43> would you like me to pastebin it?
[05:38] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: no, just say if /usr/lib/libesd.so.1 is there
[05:38] <laserbeak43> /usr/lib/libesd.so.0
[05:38] <laserbeak43> no so.1
[05:38] <TheSheep> so ld should find it easily
[05:38] <TheSheep> no so.1?
[05:39] <laserbeak43> nope
[05:39] <laserbeak43> no so.1 just so.0
[05:41] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: looks like it's in libesd-alsa
[05:42] <laserbeak43> TheSheep:  ok i'll look for that
[05:43] <laserbeak43> according to synaptic i have libesd-alsa0 installed
[05:43] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: hmm... libesd.so.1 is a symbolic link to libesd.so.0 on my system
[05:44] <laserbeak43> i'm still unfamiliar with symbolic links
[05:45] <laserbeak43> will knowledge of it do me any imediate good?
[05:45] <laserbeak43> should i reinstal libesd-alsa or reboot or something?
[05:47] <godless> laserbeak43:  creating a symbolic link is a simple operation
[05:48] <godless> ln -s X Y
[05:48] <godless> where X is the original and Y is the link
[05:49] <laserbeak43> ok so i would type ln -s libesd.s0 libesd.s1?
[05:52] <godless> laserbeak43:  I don't know anything about the issue you are having, but yes, that will create the symbolic link you need... remember to use the full paths though, and if they are system files you may need to sudo
[05:53] <godless> ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[05:53] <laserbeak43> ok thanks :)
[05:54] <rolfen> hello folks... how to browse FTP using thunar?
[05:54] <rolfen> any fuse trick available for that?
[05:55] <laserbeak43> godless the prompt just cam back with no messages does that indicate success? cause when i typed make again, i got the same error
[05:56] <Jester45> rolfen, you can use fuseftp
[05:57] <godless> laserbeak43:  The command should have been successful, you can check with locate libesd again. Seems your problem stems from something else.
[05:58] <godless> Without any actual knowledge of the situation I would say reinstalling libesd-alsa and rebooting are things you can try.. :p
[05:58] <laserbeak43> ok i'll do that cause there's still no instance of libesd.so.1
[05:58] <godless> er.
[05:58] <rolfen> Jester45: thanks
[05:58] <rolfen> ill look into that
[05:59] <laserbeak43> when i type locate libesd that is
[05:59] <godless> laserbeak43:  perhaps sudo ln-s /usr/lib/libe... etc.?
[06:00] <laserbeak43> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1?
[06:00] <laserbeak43> did that one
[06:00] <godless> ok. sorry.
[06:00] <godless> <-- stumped
[06:02] <Jester45> hi cellofellow
[06:02] <laserbeak43> me too..
[06:02] <cellofellow> Hi there.
[06:03] <cellofellow> This is cool. I shared my ~ directory with NFS, and now the only odd thing is any programs I've added to panel launchers that aren't on this box don't really show.
[06:03] <cellofellow> And the X res on this box is a little lower, so my desktop icons moved around.
[06:26] <laserbeak43> ahh i needed libesd0 and libesd0-dev!!!
[06:26] <laserbeak43> godless: TheSheep thanks for ur help
[06:41] <hyper_ch> hiho fellows
[06:42] <rolfen> yooo
[06:42] <hyper_ch> rolfen: how may I server you?
[06:45] <rolfen> thank you :)
[07:24] <col_k> hey guys, havin a bit of a problem here
[07:27] <col_k> i want to run gsksudo pyNeighborhood, but when i type that into the run window nothing happens
[07:27] <col_k> any pointers?
[07:28] <TheSheep> attention span of a mayfly
[07:33] <laserbeak43> there's no audio on youtube..
[08:04] <Howdy125> laserbeak43, see if this get you to a page on your computer .. file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktopguide/C/multimedia.html
[08:05] <laserbeak43> yeo
[08:05] <laserbeak43> yep
[08:06] <laserbeak43> Howdy125:  i have audacious already
[08:07] <laserbeak43> it's just that when i was using LMMS and i closed it, i couldnt seem to get audio from any other applications
[08:08] <Howdy125> k .. I can't help with that .. sorry
[08:08] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: ps aux | grep esd
[08:12] <Jester45> !info libmagick9
[08:12] <ubotu> libmagick9: Image manipulation library. In component main, is optional. Version 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.14ubuntu0.1 (feisty), package size 1267 kB, installed size 4160 kB
[08:12] <laserbeak43> TheSheep:  whats that do?
[08:13] <Jester45> laserbeak43, tells you what processes are runing
[08:13] <Jester45> then filters it to ones that have esd in the name
[08:13] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: if there is esd running, kill it
[08:13] <Jester45> err the line
[08:13] <laserbeak43> cool
[08:14] <laserbeak43> i already rebooted but i'll take note of that one
[08:14] <Jester45> TheSheep, do you know how to make mpd use alsa
[08:15] <TheSheep> Jester45: I think it uses alsa by default in ubuntu
[08:15] <Jester45> TheSheep, well alsa is not running but esd is
[08:15] <TheSheep> Jester45: alsa is not a daemon
[08:15] <TheSheep> Jester45: it's just a set of kernel modules
[08:15] <Jester45> is it alsa-utils
[08:17] <TheSheep> alsa-utils is just a set of utilities for changing volume levels, saving them on shutdown and restoring at boot, etc.
[08:17] <Jester45> o
[08:17] <Jester45> well
[08:17] <Jester45> i can only play one thing at a time
[08:17] <Jester45> unless like on mplayer i use the -ao sdl  option
[08:19] <Jester45> it might be because of a file i think crimsun told me to put so i could get my headphones to work
[08:19] <TheSheep> Jester45: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Configuration#ALSA_dmix_Output
[08:24] <TheSheep> Jester45: and also http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix#Intro_to_dmix
[08:28] <damike84_> is there no rar support for xarchive which is not shareware? :(
[08:28] <maxamillion> damike84_: there is
[08:28] <maxamillion> !rar | damike84_
[08:28] <ubotu> damike84_: rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[08:28] <damike84_> !info unrar-free
[08:29] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (feisty), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[08:29] <damike84_> thx
[08:29] <maxamillion> np
[08:30] <damike84_> hmm. i installed unrar - didn't help
[08:30] <maxamillion> damike84_: hmmm... there might be an xarchiver plugin or something
[08:30] <Jester45> there
[08:30] <Jester45> is
[08:31] <Jester45> or you can try unrar e file.rar
[08:31] <damike84_> but how with xarchiver?
[08:32] <Jester45> i just right click and press extract here
[08:32] <Jester45> i have unrar and rar installed
[08:33] <damike84_> "Failed to execute child process "rar" (No such file or directory)"
[08:33] <damike84_> Jester45, well - but rar only works for 40 days?
[08:34] <Jester45> damike84_, no... thats something  that happens in windows
[08:34] <damike84_> Jester45, i hope ;)
[08:34] <hyper_ch> anyone using ktorrent 2.2?
[08:36] <damike84_> hyper_ch, its not the answer - but i installed deluge today - sheems to be very nice and fast
[08:37] <hyper_ch> damike84_: ktorrent is great.. I just miss a feature from the old version
[08:37] <damike84_> hyper_ch, i did'nt wanted to install kdelibs
[08:54] <hyper_ch> damike84_: problem solved :)
[09:08] <teratoma> i want to automaticall run the graphical version of "ssh-add" when i log in.  how do i do that ?
[09:13] <Redimere> add it into the startup programs
[09:13] <teratoma> how do i do that?
[09:14] <hyper_ch> why is gdm using 40% cpu? :(
[09:14] <Merchelo> why not, isn't that what cpu's were made for?
[09:15] <hyper_ch> it shouldn't use 40%
[09:15] <Redimere> teratoma: There should be a menu item that does it
[09:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: strace it from a text console
[09:17] <TheSheep> (never strace X from withing itself ;) )
[09:17] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: :(
[09:21] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what's wrong?
[09:22] <hyper_ch> well, I would need to shutdown the x server
[09:25] <TheSheep> no
[09:25] <hyper_ch> no?
[09:25] <TheSheep> switch with alt+ctrl+f1
[09:25] <hyper_ch> ah
[09:25] <hyper_ch> ^^
[09:50] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: worked on SuSe?
[09:51] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no
[09:51] <hyper_ch> oh ok... a buddy of mine uses it because his wifi card works there... but he needs to load the module on every boot but has no /etc/modules file... so I thought suse uses something else
[09:52] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you can also add 'modprobe modulename' to the rc.local
[09:53] <hyper_ch> thx :)
[10:25] <bitform> Is there a panel item that can switch between language inputs???
[10:28] <hyper_ch> I don't think there is but if you can change the language from the shell you can add buttons that execute that code
[10:32] <Jester45> bitform, i think the keyboard layout switcher might be what you wan
[10:32] <Jester45> t
[10:33] <laserbeak43> how woulld i set an environment variable?
[10:58] <kalikiana> laserbeak43, Fire up a Terminal and do 'VARIABLE=value' ;)
[10:59] <laserbeak43> oh yeah i figured it out thanks :)
[11:03] <uther_> Does anybody have any experience with xubuntu on a sony vario 505 type labtop?
[11:05] <hyper_ch> uther_: no
[11:07] <Howdy125> Sony PCG-XG500 here
[11:07] <uther_> Did you have any trouble installing?
[11:08] <Howdy125> No .. had to make a change to xorg.conf though or it would only boot every other time.
[11:10] <uther_> Hm, i can't get the installer to start. I got FreeBSD running, bit it's way to much work getting everything to work :/
[11:10] <uther_> The problem seems to be with the 2.6 kernel
[11:11] <uther_> I found a couple of people on the net who got linux running it. So it should be possible.
[11:11] <Howdy125> Are you using the alt cd ?
[11:11] <uther_> i tried both
[11:11] <Howdy125> I have no idea then .. sorry
[11:12] <m4rk> which IDE for xubuntu?
[11:12] <m4rk> please
[11:12] <teratoma> which language
[11:12] <uther_> it seems i have to pass a boot option something like ide2=0x180
[11:12] <m4rk> ruby
[11:12] <uther_> i found a few variations
[11:12] <m4rk> eclipse is very big
[11:12] <m4rk> for my little computer
[11:13] <uther_> it did not work
[11:13] <uther_> But at least i didn't get a kernel panic
[11:14] <TheSheep> m4rk: try geany
[11:19] <m4rk> TheSheep: thanks. nice one. looks good
[11:25] <TheSheep> m4rk: vim is very good, but takes a week or two to learn
[11:55] <Korane> Hello everyone, quick question. Is it possible to use the xubuntu alternative cd install to resize a FAT32 partition to make space for xubuntu ?